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  1. You, and people who think like you, call Israel’s actions “crimes”. You are not obliged to see these things through our eyes and in our situation. I have stated before that each sovereign nation must do what it feels to be in the best interests of its citizens. That is the duty of its government.
    You see our policies as “oppressive”. I see them as necessary to our survival in a hostile environment. If our existence here offends you and causes you to regard us in the way that you do, so be it.
    I am not trying to pretend that we are unaware of the situation; My point was to distinguish us from the Germans who pretended not to know what was happening in their name.
    Regarding Gaza, I understand that this is a real blind spot for you. Israel withdrew completely from Gaza in September 2005. Not a single Israeli
    ( with the notable exception of Gilad Shalit) remains there. Whatever happened prior to this withdrawal has no connection and no relevance to the attacks on Israel from Gaza after 2005.
    The image that you paint of Gaza today is taken straight from the Hamas song sheet. It is not true. It never was true, and repeating the mantra cannot make it true. And if you think that defending yourself against an enemy, whose very constitution and repeated declarations call for the destruction of Israel and all Jews, is not fighting terror then, I regret to say, that it is you who is beyond help.
    Regarding the culpability and degree of participation and enthusiasm of those Germans who actively or passively supported the ideology of the National Socialists, the amount of historical narrative is massive. Historians, as is their wont, simply argue about the nuances and interpretations.
    Whether they disagree,or not, the question remains. What did the German people know- and when did they know it!
    I understand that you prefer to accept the feigned ignorance option. I am, as ever, curious why you claim that my perspective is prejudiced, and yours is not. Prejudice, for you, is when the other party doesn’t see or explain things as you do.
    I am not afraid of the judgement of history. Perhaps future generations will see far more clearly than you, who were the REAL victims here. I admit that the Arab and Palestinian PR machine has done a great snow job. I guess that the combination of petrodollars and a world fearful of Islam has helped them no end.
    And, regarding Anti-Semitism and double standards, I have no need to accuse anyone.
    This forum speaks for itself.

  2. @Gay State Girl
    Wishing everyone a happy New Year was just a courtesy. If this has religious connotations for some that is up to them.
    I also wish people “Happy Christmas” – which has about as much religious significance to me as it does to most of the recipients.
    And, if you do. be well over the fast!

  3. Randy- My agent tells me you’re the cat’s meow when it comes to pro-Israeli propaganda- call me- I need a new speechwriter. – Bibi

      1. Maht? Matz? Matzo who? My name’s Bibi- I currently run two countries, you may have heard of me- I have dual citizenship in both- a unique circumstance to say the least!
        Speaking of Matzos, I was just in the kitchen making a large Israeli Flag out of crushed Matzo Balls (Manischewitz brand- is there another?) and a rare Blue Algae recently discovered in the Dead Sea (previously only found in toilet bowls). I know seafood ain’t exactly kosher, so I’m having a Rabbi drop by to smear the mixture across his chest and rub it into his beard in order to purify and bless this particular recipe.
        Now, Al ta’atzben otti, BAG, I’m trying to talk to that mitromem mizdayen batahat ben zona Randy!

        1. @ Bibi
          LOL! 🙂
          My name’s Bibi- I currently run two countries,
          So Bibi, as an insider, can you enlighten us as to other potential dual agents?
          Hehe.

        2. Dual Agents? Let’s just say it would read like a “who’s who” of the U.S. Knesset, I mean Congress. Wait, actually I misspoke…It IS the “Who’s Who of the U.S. Congress”. Pretty cool, eh?
          Then there’s Alan Douchewitz, Elie Weasel, the list goes on. Did I mention I dated Diane Feinstein (nee Frankenstein) in high school?
          Of course, the Israeli/American People will forever be indebted to that Aussie-Israeli, Jewpert Murdoch, and his Lox News Network, without which our propaganda message could not have been spread for the last 15 years. Shalom and mazeltov!

        3. Regarding Bibi Netanyahu being President
          I believe LBJ met with Golda Meir and asked her how she would like to be the President of a country with 250 million residents. She replied, “But how would YOU like to be PM of a country with 4 million Presidents?”

        4. GSG- What’s even funnier is, Golda took him up on the offer! And the rest is history, the U.S.S. Liberty, the ascension of our man Kissinger to the highest level of power. You Americans think you have democratic elections, but well know that your candidates must first pledge allegiance to Israel before they can be elected!

      1. Randy- Meet me in the alley behind the offices for the U.S. House of Representatives. I’ll be wearing a skull cap, a fake beard, side curls, and a black overcoat, posing a diamond merchant from Brussels. Just remember, I’m a kike, so don’t expect me to pay you much, yah pin noteph ziva!

        1. Your attempts at humour are so pathetic and infantile that its not worth wasting the bandwith to reply.
          I hope the rest of the forum doesn’t descend to your level, otherwise it’s goodbye to rational, if sometimes, rancorous , debate.

        2. Randy- Au contraire, I think I’m kind of humorous at times, you should lighten up! Further, I will agree not to joke around, if you will agree not to be illogical. Since you will not or can not do this, I think we have a stalemate. Kinda like the situation in the “Middle East”= Israel v. Palestinians. I promise to be serious if you promise not to lie! Deal?

  4. Mott
    Golda was referring to the fact that Israel is a bottom up society and the cab driver thinks he can tell the PM what to do.
    You know what? I’m sick and tired of Israel and Israeli firsters treating diaspora Jews as if they’re sheep. Always expecting us to provide you with political and financial support and giving us nothing in return, besides for a ten day tour to emotionally attach us to Israel. I have enough of my own problems to give my time or money to Israel. And I’m sick of Israel and Zionist organizations going on about the threat of antisemitism and assimilation so as to create and atmosphere of pessimism for elderly jews and to con them into donating their life savings. That was my rant of the day!

    1. GSG- Yes, that was quite a funny from ol’ Golda. Very true, too…which is another reason why Israelis bear so much resposibility for their gov’t’s actions.
      I couldn’t agree more with your rant, but not being Jewish myself, I resent even more the Zio-Israel 1st crowd trying to manipulate Born-Again Christians, other Christians, and all secular Americans into complete, unquestioning support.
      Liberal? Conservative? Then, you have to support them- or risk expulsion from the political process and from public life. “America’s Greatest Ally”- who has never done anything for us, ever.
      They insult the intelligence of all of us.

  5. “I resent even more the Zio-Israel 1st crowd trying to manipulate Born-Again Christians, other Christians, and all secular Americans into complete, unquestioning support.”
    True, sorry if I left non jews out (the great majority), but I feel that’s pretty much a given at this point. I brought up the situation of diaspora jews because I see how Israel and Israel firsters play on the post Holocaust trauma among elderly jews. I can see how traumatized my grandmother is.
    I am angry about non Jewish americans being forced to support Israel but I feel the same way about non Arab Muslims being forced to sacrifice their reputation and well being for a people who show no gratitude.
    I’m sick of Israeli organizations calling my parents house and asking for donations.

    1. “non Arab Muslims being forced to sacrifice their reputation and well being for a people who show no gratitude.”
      You mean the Palis? Yeah , but it’s fake- Muslims, Arabs, non-Arabs, only pretend to support each other- they don’t get along or even like each other- but will defend all Muslims against non-Muslims (allegedly).
      The Palis are not really liked by the others- they are just used as a propaganda tool by them- very true. The Sunnis hate the Shiites, the Persians despise the Arabs. There is no monolithic “Muslim” identity as a unified force- it’s phony (except those Al Qaida nuts- they are on the same page, but are fairly few).

      1. I don’t know about the general populations of those countries, but some govenrments are more radical than Palestinian leadership. In my experience, the Arabs were relatively quiet about the Palestinian compared to South Asians and Black Muslims and many of these people had never met a Palestinian in their lives.

  6. @Bibi without a button
    The obvious problem with your proposed deal is, that in evaluating whether or not I have complied with your requirements, you will be the prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner
    If you allege that my facts are not true and my logic is flawed, what will be the basis of the deal?
    And, given the tone of your posts to me until now, I’m not sure that you a the kind of person I would want to deal with, anyway.

    1. Andy- Now you know how it feels to debate someone who doesn’t use logic. Frustrating, no? So, I take it you are not agreeing “not to lie”? OK, fine. Feel free to twist everything I say, too, set up straw men and put words in my mouth.
      “Judge, jury and executioner”? Did you just call me a Nazi or a Fascist? I’m sorry but I do take real offense at that- you’re implying that I endorse physically harming people I disagree with, or those I don’t like. That is absolutely false and really insulting, frankly. You basically are saying that I’m threatening you with bodily harm just because you are a member of some stupid religion (that you don’t even believe in), just because I think you are being disingenuous. Everyone who attacks your arguments wants to throw you and yours into a gas chamber? Are we paranoid, here, Andy? Are we playing the victim card, Andy? That’s lame!
      And other thing- your attempts at Limey smarmy charm are actually grating- my best friend is English and he agrees that nothing is more irritating than that fake niceness and loquaciousness that limeys excel at, especially when they are actually being condescending and insulting. Not cute, Andy!
      But lets get back to facts: The Nazis garnered on average about 35 percent or so of the possible voters (15 million out of 40 million) in their last “sorta-free” elections- with massive violence and voter intimidation, no less. This is a “massive percentage”, or a mandate, according to you. You don’t do math either, do you?
      Why do “all Germans” have to be guilty? So you can keep the H-Word industry going, keep the guilt/sympathy factory going, so that Jews and Israel cannot be criticized. Brilliant!

  7. I have understood for some time that logic was not one of your strongest points, but it’s good that you admit it, at last.
    What is this “not to lie”nonsense? How can I agree not to do something that I was not doing, anyway?
    I don’t recall calling you a Fascist. You must have an extraordinarily thin skin be able to place such an interpretation on a remark that was intended to be taken figuratively. I was trying to point out the absurdity of your offer if you were to be the sole arbiter of compliance.
    How you managed to ascribe to my remark the interpretation that you did, demonstrates an extraordinary abundance of paranoia.
    Just to clarify another one of your wild assertions; I am a member of the Jewish people. A people is different from a race or a religion.
    I am not a member of any religion, and I don’t understand how you classify Judaism, or any other religion, “”stupid”.
    You really go over the top with your constant referrals to the Holocaust and, now, gas chambers. I never play any “victim card”. Reminding you that Jews have been victims of much persecution over the millennia is purely a statement of historical fact.
    That you refer to the English as “limeys” ( and have previously referred to Jews as “kikes”) illustrates a degree of racial intolerance that is, presumably, a reflection of your total world view. It also explains why you regard courtesy and good manners with such disdain. I’m sorry, but I am not willing to descend to your level and will continue to express myself in what is, i hope, a dignified manner.
    The National Socialists were elected in 1932 by a greater majority than can elect leaders today in modern democracies. Even the processes by which elections are decided are still subject to debate.
    For example, some find your Electoral College system quite strange. And many criticise the “first past the post system” still used in the U.K.
    My main point was to do with what happened after the election. The degree of enthusiasm with which the National Socialist policies were welcomed by the German people and the willingness they displayed in carrying them out.
    I never said “all Germans were guilty” but you seem to be trying to assert that NO Germans were guilty.
    There is no connection at all between trying to establish this historical reality and modern day criticism of Israel.
    You are not obligated to agree with the policies of the Israeli government, or the government of any country. No one is denying you the right to your opinion.
    The fact that I believe that your conclusions are flawed, due to your choosing to follow the Palestinian narrative has nothing to do with the Germans.

    1. Illogical Randy- Do you even read what I write? No you don’t, obviously, because I read every word of your responses, and about 95% is pure b.s.! There is no way I can respond to every lie and distortion that you post- not enough hours in the day!
      I’ll just re-print one gem from you:
      “I never said “all Germans were guilty” but you seem to be trying to assert that NO Germans were guilty.”
      Yes, you did, and no, I didn’t.
      Or this one: “The fact that I believe that your conclusions are flawed, due to your choosing to follow the Palestinian narrative”
      Not! I’ve never even read any Pali propaganda, and frankly, I disregard what they say publicly- they are too biased as a source.
      Thanks for explaining electoral systems, but I have a B.A. in Political Science/Minor in History so that is not neccessary.
      The Nazis came to power via the Parliamentary system, not the plurality/first past the post system, which is the U.S. and U.K. use- there is no logic in bringing these other systems.
      The French employ a system that requires that the President be elected by a majority of the electorate- over 50%, or they hold run-offs until one does. This could have prevented someone like Hitler form taking control the way he did- by just having his party win a plurality of seats in Parliament.
      True, in the U.S., someone like Sarah Palin could get elected with only about 15-20 percent of the potential electorate, given, the abysmal turnout and non-registered potential voters in the U.S.

      1. Well, at least you acknowledge that there is truth in 5% of my explanations. I think that, in the context of this forum, that is quite an achievement.
        I have looked back on my previous posts on this subject and have been unable to locate a single occasion in which I stated that ALL Germans participated actively in the implementation of the government policies. Can you please point out the relevant post?
        For someone who has never read Palestinian propaganda, the general line of your arguments is remarkably close to theirs.
        I guess it must just be coincidence.
        Regarding the electoral system. The fact is that, according to the system that was in place at the time of the election, the National Socialists did win the largest percentage of the vote for any one party and had the biggest block of seats in the parliament.
        But I was more concerned with the degree of support and compliance with the Laws subsequently passed by this parliament.
        If your argument is that the National Socialists were NOT elected by popular vote,and that the vast majority of the German people were actually opposed to National Socialism, and everything it represented, where was this opposition? How did it manifest itself?
        I think we both now that there was active compliance and passive compliance. And, together, this for sure was the majority.

        1. Here’s your relevant post: “Once the Germans understood that the Jews would not be welcome anywhere in the world they, being a practical people , chose a pragmatic answer (The Final Solution).”
          Here’s another: “All of this, and worse, with the full support and agreement and full participation of the vast majority of the German people, who had no moral qualms about the actions or their outcome.”

  8. @Bibi
    P.S.
    FYI – following is an extract from a book review of Robert Gellately’s book “Backing Hitler”. Gellately broadly supports Daniel Goldhagens’s research although his conclusions about why the German people supported Hitler so enthusiastically are not identical. But he doesn’t dispute that they did.
    [4]. Scholars were of course far more outspoken. Suffice it here to quote from A.J.P. Taylor’s 1964 Foreword (“Second Thoughts”) to the paperback reissue of his The Origins of the Second World War (first published 1961): “He [Hitler] would have counted for nothing without the support and cooperation of the German people. It seems to be believed nowadays that Hitler did everything himself, even driving the trains and filling the gas chambers unaided. This was not so. Hitler was a sounding-board for the German nation. Thousands, many hundred thousands, Germans carried out his evil orders without qualm or question” (The Origins of the Second World War. London : Penguin Books, 1964, p.26).

    1. Illogical Randy- Oh, yeah, you’re right! Now that you’ve found ONE possibly reputable scholar who wrote a book that appears to back up the discredit Goldhagen’s (and your) theories, this makes it all true! No….
      Seems Gellaty bases his theory on the fact that there were only 42,000 Gestapo members- not enough to round up everyone- so they must have had help from the entire German people.
      Um, yeah, but there were 1.5 million S.S. members, and the regular Police- the Ordnungspolzei- who Goldhagen blames for the roundups- numbered 500,00 and were UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE S.S. This effectively discredis Goldhagen’s theory- that because the regular police were involved to a high degree- the German people were involved to a high degree.
      Goldhagen (who’s father survived the camps, so he’s REALLY UNBIASED) quotes A.J Taylor. So this makes it true? Let’s look at Taylor:
      Taylor held fierce Germanophobic views. In 1944, he was temporarily banned from the BBC following complaints about a series of lectures he gave on air in which he gave full vent to his anti-German feelings. In his 1945 book, The Course of German History, he argued that National Socialism was the inevitable product of the entire history of the Germans going back to the days of the Germanic tribes. He was an early champion of what has since been called the Sonderweg (Special Way) interpretation of German history, that German culture and society developed over the centuries in such a way as to make Nazi Germany inevitable. (Wiki)
      Also: As angry as the reaction in Britain was to The Origins of the Second World War, it was greater when the book was published in January 1962 in the United States. With the exception of Harry Elmer Barnes, every American historian who reviewed Taylor’s book gave it a negative review. (Wiki).
      But enough about the Nazis- they have nothing to do Israel itself.
      You keep bring up the Nazis and Germans because you want to frame all whp oppose Israeli as Nazis and defenders of Nazis. So, you keep making wild, non-historical comments about them, hoping some will take that bait and come out looking like a “Defender” of Nazis- and implicity of their behavior. That really sucks- very disingenuous, Mr. Illogic.
      Let’s get back to Israel, Mr. Fallacy in Argument, Mr. Red Herring, Mr, Straw Man, the list goes on. Can you be logical?

      1. Your extract from Wikipedia regarding A.J.P Taylor is very selective. You omitted the line:
        “Despite the criticism, The Origins of the Second World War is regarded as a watershed in the historiography of the origins of the Second World War. In general, historians have praised Taylor”.
        But I really don’t want to continue a sterile argument about the relative merits of historians. And I was never trying to connect the posts about Germans with what is happening today in the Middle East.
        The issue only arose over the question of how much the German people supported the policies of the National Socialists and the degree of their awareness about the results of those policies, compared with the degree of Israeli support for, and knowledge of the effects, of its governments policies.

  9. @Bibi
    I was thinking today ( and I know that you know what day it is today) that maybe you would like to translate the last two Insults to me, which you made in transliterated Hebrew, into your very best English.
    Then, perhaps, others will understand why it is so difficult to enter into a civilised debate with someone having such an infantile mind and a mouth like a sewer.
    Did you have to study to be so disgusting, or did it come naturally?

    1. Illogical Randy- “Do I know what day it is?”
      Are you serious? I spent all last night ripping off pieces of toilet paper (mine is special- it has the Israeli flag printed on every piece) so that I wouldn’t have to work today.
      Actually, Randy, I thought it would be more fun for readers to look up the swear words themselves so they could ROFL.
      For instance, just copy-paste “mitromem mizdayen batahat ben zona” into a search and enjoy a good chuckle!
      Or, just go to: Hebrew Swear Words at http://www.youswear.com/index.asp?language=Hebrew
      And have a good laugh. if you have a sense of humour. You ought to try it, Randy!

      1. So, if I understand you correctly, it requires a B.A. in Political Science (and a Minor in History) to be able to produce the two quality insults directed at me.
        Since you now seem too embarrassed to explain their meaning, I will explain to anyone who is interested that you referred to me as a “gonorrhea dripping penis” and a “Gay ass fucker” ( sorry, Robert, if this contravenes your rules – I was just translating).
        I think I have a good sense of humour, but since it obviously differs from yours, it might be a good idea to stay away from the swearing and stick with the subject.
        If anyone else was ROFL at your jokes, I feel as sorry for them as I do for you.

        1. Aw, now you ruined it! It’s more fun to look them up…
          You know, talking with you is like talking to the Mad Hatter- after a while, I’m inclined to say, “screw” it and resort to humour, instead of logic, becauase logic doesn’t work with you. Neither does humour, gee, what’s left?
          If I refuse to engage you any further, you will no doubt proclaim “victory” and come out beating your too-hairy chest- just like you did with my “95%” admission. “You admit I’m 5% right”, you brag. Whatever!
          Stick to the subject? When you stop going back the (yawn) Germans, we can get back to the subject of the illegal country you call home.
          And, yes, it does take a college degree to get my jokes- thanks for noticin’!

  10. @Bibi
    Regarding the first paragraph of your claim that I referred to “all” Germans, I thought it was clear from the context that I was referring, at that time, to the decision makers. That seemed to me to be self evident, but it appears that it was not,
    Regarding the second paragraph I am still not certain how you equate “vast majority” with “all”‘. I don’t see the word “all” – do you?
    In any event the argument about percentages and the relationship between active and passive support, misses my main point about the years immediately following the war and the struggle of numerous historians and others to try to break through the impenetrable smokescreen of German obfuscation.
    Since you have rejected all my previously quoted sources as biased, what is your opinion of the work of Eric A. Johnson in his book “What we Knew” ?
    This is a small review from Amazon:
    From Publishers Weekly
    The refrains in Germany for many years after WWII were “we didn’t know” about the Holocaust, and “if we had known and had tried to do something, we too would have been killed by the Nazis.” These claims have not stood up to historical scrutiny. Large numbers of ordinary Germans were involved in carrying out the mass murder of Jews, and knowledge of it was widespread among the population at home in Germany. Moreover, the Nazi elite ruled primarily by consensus, not terror; it was a popular dictatorship. Central Michigan University historian Johnson and German sociologist Reuband confirm these interpretations in their wide-ranging study based on hundreds of interviews and surveys they conducted with both Jewish and Christian Germans. Johnson (Nazi Terror) and Reuband don’t add much that is new to what we know about the Nazi dictatorship and the Holocaust, but the materials they have gathered are interesting. Roughly two-thirds of the book consists of transcripts of interviews with Jews who had a range of experiences (going into hiding, leaving Germany before Kristallnacht, suffering in the camps) and Germans (those who heard about the murder of Jews, those who didn’t, those who participated). The analysis in the book’s final third is sober and sobering. But it’s the gripping immediacy of the interviews, laced as they are with anger, guilt, sadness and, still among some Christian Germans, pride, that carries the book. (Feb.) 
    Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

    1. Q: What is my opinion of the work of Eric A. Johnson in his book “What we Knew” ?
      A: Gee, I don’t have one, yet, because I’ve only barely heard of the book.
      I didn’t know you could debate someone by just throwing some book written by “experts” out there, as if it’s existence alone were proof of something. I’m writing a book called ‘They Didn’t Know”- will promise to read it?
      BUT now, because you asked, and because you found ONE BOOK that purports to prove what you think, and then cited ONE REVIEW that slobbered over it with praise and affirmation of the book’s premise…I don’t know…I guess I’ll have to 1) order the book 2) read it from cover to cover 3) check all its sources 4) research the authors and 5) look at other reviews, including reviews from historians- not some unnamed idiot at Publisher’s Weekly (which is owned by a Jew).
      So, I’ll have to get back to you, I guess!
      Second thought- I can answer you- I think the book is a work of Neo-Revisionist crap by two guys with degrees who weren’t born yet when WW II was fought. I think they are both ultra-Liberal, P.C., Jew-loving gentile academics who want to make a buck off the latest historical revisionist fad- this stuff about “they all knew”, bla bla bla. The authors obviously started with their foregone conclusion, and then proceeded to gather evidence to support it. This means they are not trustable.
      I saw myself that 2/3 of the book is “eye-witness” accounts. Great- but that doesn’t make for accurate history. any historian will tell you that.
      These are interviews with average Jews who left Germany- they left, so how do we believe them as a source for waht happened afterwards? Some interviews are with camp survivors- if they were in a camp, how much could they have observed? Not enough to make sweeping generalizations. At least 1/3 of the German interviewees say they DID NOT KNOW. Were they all lying?
      I’ve been reading it a bit now, and it DOESN’T SAY what you, and some reviewers, imply. It is also a piece of crap- just because of the way the authors constantly CITE THEMSELVES AS SOURCEs- in the third person. They say, “In Eric Johnson’s opinion, the figure is much higher than that. That’s b.s., in historical lingo!
      Eyewitness accounts by regular folks speak to individual experience- not good for general historical reference. Plus, they are way, way too biased usually.Actually, I looked at the Amazon REAL reviews- and they don’t say the same stuff- plus I went and read a bit of the book online- and I see multiple problems with the book right off the bat. Too many to list right now. Here’s some review snips:
      “The authors insist that about one-third of the population became aware of the murder of Jews while it was taking place,”
      Jews in Cologne experienced far less anti-Semitism than Berlin. Keep in mind that these were just the majority opinion, and that virtually every one of these statements was contradicted by one interviewee or another.
      “Several Jews felt that the average German sincerely believed in Hitler’s anti-Semitic policies and knew everything.
      “Most of the Germans claimed that there were rumors of such things, or perhaps heard of specific instances of killings, but did not believe that Jews were being systematically murdered.”
      But I swear Randy, if you try to goad me into defending Nazis one more time, I’m gonna have to officially join them. Change the channel, Holocaust Boy.

  11. Mott
    Keep in mind though
    Just because a neocon says something unflattering about Islam or middle eastern culture, doesn’t automatically render it false. A lot of people have fallen into that trap.

    1. @GSG- Sorry, I don’t follow you. Who is the neocon you are referring to? Is it RandyBoy? I would call him an Isrealo-Fascist, not a neocon. Who else are you referencing?
      FYI- Repeating myself here- I’m no friend of Muslims/Arabs/Palis in general- although I wouldn’t prejudge someone on a personal basis if they were one. I have no knee-jerk hatred for them, either. I haven’t known any personally- only Sihks and Persians, Pakis, who were all good friends and good people.
      I admit that I don’t care for Islam as a religion- but I don’t like religions much period. I know that there are millions of decent Muslims, etc.
      I just don’t buy into the following mantra, which is recited by many- gentiles, Zionists, Neocons,etc.:
      Muslims/Arabs = BAD, and,
      Jews/Isrealis hate Muslims/Arabs, so,
      Jews/Israelis= GOOD, automatically. Nice try- it doesn’t work like that.
      I know that’s not what you meant, GSG, but a lot of certain types of people try to pass this off as logic (let’s not mention RandyBoy).

      1. “Muslims/Arabs = BAD, and,
        Jews/Isrealis hate Muslims/Arabs, so,
        Jews/Israelis= GOOD, automatically. Nice try- it doesn’t work like that.”
        I’m no fan of neoconservatism and I’m tired of my country sacrificing its well being and good reputation for a foreign country that shows them no love in return. But I guess I’m one step ahead. I’ve been following the Palestinian solidarity movement for the past ten years and am very familiar with the attitude that surrounds it.
        They say Zionists learned a lot from Nazis and I won’t dispute that, but it’s clear that the Palestinian Solidarity has taken a leaf out of Abe Foxman’s book, what Dr. Fagglestein calls the Holocaust Industry. They attempt to romanticize/deify Palestinian culture, seek to get compensation and persecuted/underprivileged minority status for western Arabs/Muslims (though they would otherwise have you believe they were a model minority and portray themselves vastly superior to ordinary Westerners) and dismiss any criticism of Arab/Muslim society as “Zionist Propoganda.” Obviously this movement has little legitimacy and is only starting to catch on but I’d like to warn you about it.
        I told you earlier that I was equally disgusted with the fact that Muslims worldwide are also required to sacrifice themselves for the Palestinian cause, regardless of their orientation within the Muslim world. If it is true that Zionism and Holocaustianity have replaced traditional Judaism among secular Jews, it is also true that “the Palestinian cause” has played a major role in contemporary Islam. I find it nauseating that non Arab muslims, who are generally harshly discriminated in Arab countries, are expected to sacrifice themselves to the Palestinian cause. If the shoe were on the other foot and Palestine was an independent country, and Bangladesh was under brutal military occupation, do you think Palestinians would adopt “the Bangladeshi cause” as their own, and break their backs to help them. Not a chance in hell, baby.

        1. “””I told you earlier that I was equally disgusted with the fact that Muslims worldwide are also required to sacrifice themselves for the Palestinian cause, regardless of their orientation within the Muslim world””
          You keep repeating this over and over despite it being untrue. As far as Muslim states are concerned, I’ve already demonstrated that they merely pay lip service to the Pally cause since it costs them nothing to do so. The Kurdish issue on the other hand would require concessions to be made and neither Iran or Iraq would do it. I’ve also pointed out that from a geo-political pov it makes sense for Iran to support Hizbollah, and in order to do so, they in turn need to pay lip service to the Pally cause too. Muslim states have never sacrificed their self interests for the Pallys. In February 1971 Sadat proposed a secret peace deal with Israel which made no mention of the Palestinians at all. All the Egyptians wanted was the Sinai which was taken from them in 1967. Jesus Christ woman, how much more actual evidence do you need? The whole global United Ummah of Muhammad makes for a great Friday prayer sermon, but outside the Mosque, ethnicity > Islam all the way.

      2. I see that you have taken my name in vain, again so I must comment on this ridiculous mantra.
        I cannot speak for others but I don’t accept the formula you set out. I do not believe that all Muslims and Arabs are BAD and it is simply not true that Israelis, in general, hate Muslims and Arabs, in general.
        What they, and all reasonable people everywhere, hate, are those Muslims and Arabs who commit murderous acts of terrorism against our civilian population – or any civilian population – in the name of Allah. And they are not too fond of those who support and encourage those acts.
        Seems an eminently reasonable viewpoint to me.

    1. BAG- I’m quitting. He tricked me into defending Nazis AGAIN. AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I guess I really am a Nazi! AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      1. Feel free to quit anytime; but, just for the record and the sake of good order, I never ever called you a Nazi.I never even thought it.
        And I was always talking about the German people as a whole , not simply the National Socialists.
        I think that your, apparently, overwhelming desire to defend German honour and feigned ignorance was a little strident, but I see that is just your way.
        Enjoy your retirement!

        1. @ Bibi – your last remarks.
          Charming and gracious to the end.
          I understand now that there is a direct connection between a college education and a degree or two, and the use of gutter language.
          You need to wash your mouth out with soap………..

        2. And you need to fuck off back to Jew-Land.
          The non-facts that come out of you are way more obscene than any “dirty” words. You’re a dick- but nobody can call you one? Get real.
          @Hacienda- That was pretty funny! However- Jews aren’t neccessarily “whites” (although they can opt in) and Randy ain’t “white”- he’s all Jew, all the time.
          And remember, Hacienda- you’re a real asshole too, so watch it!

        3. @Hacienda- Clarification: I’m not an anti-Termite, or whatever. If I was, I would not take offense, and I would not correct you. Calling me one of those is inaccurate- sorta like if I called you a “Chink”. The correct term for you, Hacienda, would be: “Ka-Chink”.

  12. I wasn’t referring to the governments of those countries perse, and a few such as Kuwait have had covert relations with Israel. I’ve never been to a Muslim country so have limited knowledge about the political beliefs in those countries, but in my experience, the Palestinian Solidarity Movement is dominated by non Palestinians. South Asians and African American Muslims are the most supportive, followed by radical minority groups and SWPL whites. Arabs are involved, but to a much lesser extent. There are few Palestinians in my area, so I can’t fault them for not showing them gratitude, but this is reflected on a much larger scale.
    At occupy Boston, there is a diverse body of causes that are represented which is good as it has attracted much support but tends to dilute the original intention. The Palestinian Solidarity cult tends to be very vocal and seize the spotlight to the point of (attempting) to make the Palestinian cause the central point drown out other voices. They have done this at global human rights conferences (Durban) and the other third world countries lap it right up. I don’t know how successful they will be, but it is clear that they are not merely interested in securing equal rights for the Palestinians, but turning them into super citizens and I’m not saying this because I love Israel, because they too are hypocrites. I hate them both.
    Question: If it is really true that blood is thicker than water and Muslims don’t give a shit about Palestinians, then how come the Israeli alliance has hurt the US’s image in the middle east?

    1. Average Muslims sympathize with the Pallys as long as their own interests are not compromised. What brings Muslims together on the Pally issue is Israel’s shocking brutality. Chinese Muslims aren’t treated particularly well either, however they clearly don’t live under the same conditions as the Pallys in the West Bank and Gaza. So most Muslims barely take any notice. Arab governments realize that promoting anti Israel sentiments takes a lot of heat of their own incompetent regimes. If the West homogenizes Muslims in the way you generally do, Muslims will eventually begin to place their religious identity before their ethnic ones. That’s when shit will really hit the fan.
      “”Several Brits of Pakistani descent have perpetrated or attempted suicide bombings in Israel, without being promised anything in return for their families by your precious Palestinians.””
      As appalling as their actions are, they died for what they believed in. It’s a hard concept for the Jewish mentality to grasp, fighting for what you believe in without expecting any worldly gain. Off topic, have you ever given any charity in your life?

      1. If the West homogenizes Muslims in the way you generally do, Muslims will eventually begin to place their religious identity before their ethnic ones. That’s when shit will really hit the fan.
        Excellent point. Could not have said it better, myself. I have been saying that for years. Treat Muslims as an “ethnic group,” and they will ultimately behave like one. That, unfortunately, is what has been taking place in the West.

  13. I understand that first generation Middle Eastern immigrants to Europe considered their ethnic heritage to be their primary identity, and likewise with different hispanic immigrants in the US, many of whom had rivalries with other hispanic groups before immigrating.

  14. I don’t know what happened that caused new generic identities to form. I can’t imagine that the prejudice against Muslims or hispanics were much worse than prejudice against earlier immigrants in those countries and the living conditions for immigrants in the ’50’s and ’60’s was much worse than for those of previous immigration eras. But I never heard of ethnic groups such as Irish, Italians, Portuguese and Slavs banding together and creating a generic Catholic ethnic identity.

    1. I would argue that they kind of did, to an extent. Especially in the era between 1900 and 1940, and the face of rather extreme American anti-Catholicism. It is just that different Catholic groups came at different times, and in different waves, allowing one Catholic immigrant group to dominate at that time.
      The Irish huddled around the Catholic Church in the 19th century, as it was the crux of their identity. Case in point, it was Irish immigrant soldiers in the U.S Army, who during the Mexican-American War, went over to the Mexican side, solely becuase of their perceived shared Catholic culture.

  15. @Hacienda
    I feel it unfair for you to tar the ever word creative Bibi and me, with the same brush.
    Whatever happened to ” I might disagree with every word you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.”
    Are you not the land of the First Amendment?

    1. andyboy,
      I believe in overabundance to the point that material things seem like clutter and noise. Free speech, same thing, there should be so much of it that you can’t tell what should or shouldn’t be restricted. If I say you are an asshole, than you probably are, because I’m really smart and very wise.

      1. To be fair Hacienda, Andy isn’t really malicious, he’s just a brainwashed dupe dishing out classical Zionist arguments that not even the most naive American journalist would buy anymore.

        1. @ Dota
          I agree. I sometimes can’t help but wonder if he’s a self-parody of a stereotypical professional Jew/hasbara agent, because he couldn’t be more of a purveyor of textbook Zionist propaganda if he tried.

        2. @ BAG & Dota
          I think there’s been enough name calling on this site to last for the next few months, at least.
          Anyone care to address the moral issue I raised about releasing murderers?

  16. @Bibi
    I think you are aware that I already live in “Jew-land” as you so delicately call it – so – nowhere else to go.
    And you do seem a little obsessed with the male organ and sexual intercourse. At least, that is the impression a casual observer might form from the times you invoke them in your cursing.
    The depths to which you have dragged reasonable debate should be very disturbing to others on this forum. See my last post to Hacienda – it applies equally to you.

    1. Randy/Douche Bag- You can always go drown in the Dead Sea.
      You are a cunt, pussy, and a twat. What can you make of that, Mr. Curse Words!- My Word! Stop feining shock at cuss words- nobody’s buying it.
      Your website has nudity all over it- so you are no prude, stop lying.
      Your website also says you are into Gay Rights bigtime- so, you are admitting to being a homosexual. By definition then, aren’t you the one who obsessed with male parts? Just sayin’!

  17. I am not shocked. I just wonder what it is about such language that turns you on.
    Everyone is welcome to visit my website and judge for themselves the content.
    Supporting Gay rights and freedom of expression are just two elements. Your distorted description is simply a continuation of your efforts to demonise me.
    It won’t work.
    P.S. @Robert – what is your interpretation of rule 3 of your comments policy?

    1. Sorry Andyboy, that rule only applies to what we say about Robert (or Alpha Unit).
      But we can be as rude towards you as we please! And believe me, you ask for it.

      1. OK, I get the picture.
        This is a forum in which ad hominem cursing is an accepted substitute for rational disagreement.
        Seems that presenting arguments with which you and your colleagues disagree is, therefore, pointless.
        You really feel that this form of insular thinking is good for vibrant discourse?

        1. Well,. we are not wild about name-calling and all of that, but we can’t stop you if you want to do it.
          Thing is, we want only very narrow grounds for banning commenters. If we ban commenters on too many grounds, people stop commenting, and that’s a real problem.
          We ban way too many people as it is, but it pretty much has to be that way, unfortunately. But there’s no point in opening up the process even more and creating even more bans and thereby inhibiting commenters even further.
          We had a discussion about this with the commenters a while back and we asked them whether we should have censorship of comments. It came up because White nationalist, racist and anti-Semitic commenters were causing a lot of problems on here, mostly by baiting Jews and Blacks and calling them racist epithets. The commenters said not to ban people for that. I decided to encourage Blacks and Jews to just come to the site and defend themselves against the racists.
          The ban on certain rightwing comments came later. This is a Leftist site. However, almost all of the commenters were rightwingers at one point. It become very annoying, and we had to spend a lot of time taking apart crap rightwing arguments, and it was really screwing up the site. I put that in myself, and a lot of commenters don’t like it.
          That only applies to US politics, and you are not running afoul of that rule at all.
          I really enjoy your stay here on this site because commenters get exposed to the Israeli POV, in this case the rightwing Israeli POV. I am mostly choosing not to take you on here; instead I am letting my commenters do that if they wish. If anyone wants to wade in and defend you, that’s just fine too.
          Of course I disagree with the rightwing Israeli POV, but looking over your site, I find that a lot of your comments about your Arab and Muslim opponents are unfortunately correct. I am as opposed to Palestinian nationalism as I am to Israeli nationalism, and I really worry about the ability of the Palestinians to live in peace with Israelis in a single state.

  18. I am sure everyone is aware that the most momentous news in Israel this week is the pending release of Gilad Shalit in exchange for 1027 Palestinian prisoners.
    If it is possible, on this forum, to put aside anti -Israel prejudice, I would be interested to hear reaction to the concept of freeing those convicted of murdering civilians in cold blood. And we are talking about hundreds of civilians and thousands more maimed for life.
    The issue I would like to address is the irony that those who committed these crimes under the blanket of political justification are to be freed. Private citizens, who did not commit mass murder, will not have the same reprieve of their sentences.
    So, membership of a terrorist organisation becomes the “get out of jail free” card. How ironic.
    The real victims here are the bereaved families who lost loved ones, and those yet to become bereaved. Historically the recidivism rates are very high. Following the last massive prisoner exchange, around 200 civilians were murdered by some of those released.
    So, it is absolutely certain that many more will die in the future as a direct consequence of this exchange.
    Is everyone comfortable with that?

    1. Personally, I could care less either way. It would nice to go for one single day, without having to read about either the Israelis or Palestinians in the news, and all of their little problems. It is actually endless and boring, and really should be of little significance to the rest of the world.

      1. What happens in this part of the world would be of little significance were it not for three factors:
        Oil
        Oil
        Oil
        Were it not for this black gold,the Arabs would be even closer to the Middle Ages than they are, and the world would not care less about them.
        Of course, the Palestinians don’t have it directly. But those that support and sponsor their terrorism do have it, and use that fact as a weapon with which to threaten the rest of the world when it suits them.
        But I do agree that the media do seem overly obsessed with what takes place in our neck of the woods. We could do with having less of a spotlight on every little issue.

        1. That doesn’t even make sense. The vast majority of Arabs live in nation states without oil, and your view still ignores the fact that the long term Arab-Israeli conflict has had nothing to do with it.
          In fact, if U.S interests in the “Middle East” were governed exclusively by it’s interests in securing the supply of oil, it’s behavior these last 40 years or so in the region would be very different.
          Now, I am curious…Who exactly do you see as the Palestinians “Arab” supporters. I’ll give you a hint. How you answer this question, will pretty telegraph to everybody here wither you are a total asshole or not.

      2. “Personally, I could care less either way. It would nice to go for one single day, without having to read about either the Israelis or Palestinians in the news, and all of their little problems. It is actually endless and boring, and really should be of little significance to the rest of the world.”
        Co-sign.
        I would be happy if the news media only reported on Jews only a few times per year. Arabs are more entertaining. It’s fun to watch them make asses of themselves.

        1. Cyrus
          The capture of to reserve soldiers Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser led to tthe 2006 war with Lebanon.
          Jews get more attention than they deserve.

        2. Ah, my bad. That was by Hezbollah, of course. Did they ever swap them for prisoners with the Israelis?
          I am pretty familiar with Hezbollah, from a military standpoint at least. Know next to nothing of Hamas, and don’t care to. They come across as a bunch of stereotypical Arab posers, but that’s just me. 🙂

    2. Shalit was the kid who’s capture led to the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war, wasn’t he? Funny how “Palestinian” Hamas captures him, and Hezbollah and the Lebanese end up on the receiving end of Israeli firepower.

      1. Since both Hamas and Hezbbollah are committed to Israel’s destruction, and are both financed and supported by Iran and Syria, Israel is entitled to regard them both as an existential threat and deal with them accordingly.

        1. Quite the contrary. Jews LOVE to be the center of attention. If you fail to mention them, you’re no better than hitler.

        2. @Gay State Girl
          “Quite the contrary. Jews LOVE to be the center of attention. If you fail to mention them, you’re no better than hitler.”
          Apart from Jewish control of the major power centres and institutions in the world today like the collapsing banking system, Jewish leadership roles in subversive political and social movements like Communism, abortion, open borders immigration, etc, organised crime, Jewish mass murderers both capitalist and communist, pro war/globalism think tanks and policy initiatives, etc.
          That goes against orthodoxy that historically Jews were a defenceless, persecuted minority.
          Counter-currents website recently did a review of From Krakow to Krypton: Jews and Comic Books by Arie Kaplan and previous articles where the Jewish theme of Jewish persecution and pro-minority stance against the ruling WASP society (who were assholes anyway so I don’t really care) which they already had huge representation in influencing the development of the comic book genre.
          http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/10/from-krakow-to-krypton-jews-and-comic-books/#more-18664
          The same themes were expressed in the early Hollywood films in the Jewish documentary Hollywoodism: Jews, movies and the American dream.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtjslogp-Sk
          Although not mentioned in the documentary I would add that it is rumoured that Leon Trotsky was said to have worked at Vitagraph movie studio in New York as an extra while in exile after his migration to the US.

        3. Jeez. I just intended that remark in jest, to bring a bit of humor to the forum. Jews love to be the center of attention. If you neglect to mention them, you might as well be a viscious antisemite. You didn’t have to go off on a tangent like that.
          I heard (from Joanna Francis), that Jews supported the legalization of abortion because they wanted to kill Christian babies:) I already said I want to start a slew of abortion clinics in Gaza (which has the highest birth rate in the world) and was met with great hostility from the Palestinian Solidarity Movement (many of whom were left wingers.)

        4. LOL, Johnny Boy, you really are a piece of work.
          GSG made that remark just for the sake of humor, and you have to write a miniature essay.

        5. @Gay State Girl
          It is interesting in the entertainment industry Muslims are never depicted as villains. The only example I can think of is True Lies but that was a Hollywood remake of the French original.
          I have an idea for a new Marvel villain Captain America can fight Jihad Joe. 😀
          ”I heard (from Joanna Francis), that Jews supported the legalization of abortion because they wanted to kill Christian babies:) I already said I want to start a slew of abortion clinics in Gaza (which has the highest birth rate in the world) and was met with great hostility from the Palestinian Solidarity Movement (many of whom were left wingers.)”
          The problem for Israel is that they opened up abortion clinics in Tel Aviv that only aided its demographic decline in comparison to the Palestinians who have to resort to more draconian methods of population control like collapsing the economy and restricting water and power supplies.
          Maybe Jews should start marrying their cousins like the rest of the Mid East. 😀

        6. I don’t mind John so much. He provides comic relief in his own unique way to an otherwise tense forum.

        7. That’s interesting. Arabs claim to be the most widely discriminated and victimized group in hollywood. Of course I don’t buy it. No one gets hit harder than rural white trailer trash and jewish women.

        8. @Bay Area Guy
          White America is pretty racist so the Jews did insert a morale code as best they could into US society.

        9. There are three groups Hollywood hates:
          1) Germans
          2) Arabs/other Middle Easterners
          3) Rural whites, particularly religious ones.

        10. I forgot about Germans.
          I don’t think Hollywood hates Arabs. I have never seen any anti arab sentiment that is supposedly so prevelent. Arabs are simply upset that there aren’t many movies about arabs. Like Jews, they like to see themselves as central to humanity. Ask Cyrus.
          Jewish Hollywood producers/directors/writers shit on their own women more than anyone else.

        11. “”I don’t think Hollywood hates Arabs. I have never seen any anti arab sentiment that is supposedly so prevelent. “”
          You must be fairly disconnected from reality then. Remember true lies? Operation Condor? Executive decision? Many many others come to mind.
          “”Quite the contrary. Jews LOVE to be the center of attention. If you fail to mention them, you’re no better than hitler.””
          “”Jews LOVE to be the center of attention.
          LOL, couldn’t agree more. “”
          Not really. You do have certain vocal Jews who mainly distract the masses such as Foxman et all. You generally never however hear a peep from the Rothschilds or all the Kohns and Cohens who infest the Federal Reserve.

        12. Germans are only portrayed as villains when it’s the Nazis with the exception of Die Hard.
          Without a doubt the 2 most demonised groups in Hollywood are:
          1) Serbs
          2) Chinese
          3) Russian
          @Bay Area Guy
          1) Germans Only with the Nazis
          2) Arabs/other Middle Easterners Yeah right! What movies do you watch BAG?
          3) Rural whites, particularly religious ones I would say Southern Americans. Must be a Leo Frank thing. I don’t see many Amish Hollywood villains.
          @Dota
          ”You must be fairly disconnected from reality then. Remember true lies? Operation Condor? Executive decision? Many many others come to mind”
          There is that Muslim persecution syndrome again.
          True Lies was an original French movie
          Operation Condor is a Hong Kong movie production.
          Executive decision a rare exception where the terrorists are Muslims is actually interesting as the original 9/11 plot minus the nerve gas attack in the film was to hijack a commercial plane and demand the release of Islamist from US prisons.
          “Terrorists have hijacked a Boeing 747 en route from Athens to Washington, D.C., demanding in exchange for the hostages the release of terrorist El Sayed Jaffa, who had been recently captured and taken into United States custody.
          It is discovered that the terrorists are actually planning an attack on Washington, D.C., placing a bomb on the airplane that will release a large amount of nerve gas on detonation.”

          http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a96hijackerschechnya#a96hijackerschechnya
          What are the many others that you can cite as an example?
          @Gay State Girl
          “Jewish Hollywood producers/directors/writers shit on their own women more than anyone else.”
          What movies are you thinking of that you could cite as an example?

        13. @ Johnny Boy
          1) Germans Only with the Nazis
          Yeah, except Germans ARE only Nazis in Hollywood movies. Well, that and the occasional terrorist, like in Die Hard 1 and 3.
          2) Arabs/other Middle Easterners Yeah right! What movies do you watch BAG?
          Let’s see, True Lies, Not Without My Daughter, Father of the Bride 2, etc.
          3) Rural whites, particularly religious ones I would say Southern Americans
          Okay, I’ll definitely give you that one. White Southerners definitely get a bad rap from Hollywood.
          But I’d say religious whites do. Think of “Doubt.”

        14. @Bay Area Guy
          Yeah, except Germans ARE only Nazis in Hollywood movies. Well, that and the occasional terrorist, like in Die Hard 1 and 3.
          There has been Hollywood movies set in Germany like Unknown were Germans are not Nazis it is only WW2 era films that Germans are Nazis because they make the best villains.
          Die Hard is the only film with German terrorists which were East German terrorists and in DH 1 and 3 the terrorists are blood relatives.
          Let’s see, True Lies, Not Without My Daughter, Father of the Bride 2, etc.
          I have already gone over True Lies twice which was a Hollywood remake of a French movie.
          Not Without My Daughter a forgettable 91 movie was based on an autobiography of a real story and is was a critique of the Iranian regime not Muslims.
          Father of the Bride 2 lol! 😀 you are really scraping the barrel.

        15. GSG wrote: Arabs are simply upset that there aren’t many movies about arabs. Like Jews, they like to see themselves as central to humanity. Ask Cyrus.
          More proof Jews and Arabs are cousins…

        16. Well, I have my own take on it. In Hollywood, Arabs themselves has never been specifically excluded, and there have been a rather large number of Arabs of Lebanese, Syrian and even Egyptian backgrounds that have “made it” over the last century. Almost all Christian, but that could be argued as only loosely relevant.
          That being said, having a “Middle Eastern” look, especially if you are male, pretty much screws you into specific type-caste roles, regardless of what your background really is. One need only to read over casting calls to see what I mean. This has ironically screwed South Asians more than anyone else, since they tend to have those very features that most Americans incorrectly associate with “Middle Easterners.” Women are not effected by this, like men are. If anything, they get the advantage of being labeled “exotic,” especially if they are pretty.
          That is all changing now, slowly. With everything from TV shows like Monk, to Indian characters playing doctors, etc.
          Recently, a buddy of mine who is a “Persian” of the darker variety, actually lost out on a part, because he was told he didn’t look “Jewish” enough. Any LA native will find this to be rather amusing, as with the huge number of Persian Jews and Israelis running around the West side…Of which he would fit right in.

  19. @ GSG
    Jews LOVE to be the center of attention.
    LOL, couldn’t agree more.
    I mean, who’s a better example of this phenomenon than Andyboy? He knows that he’s facing a completely hostile audience, and still he continues to play the role of fighting Zionist.
    And just look at the attention he’s received? This pissing contest has been going on for weeks now.
    I can also speak from personal experience when I say that Jews themselves are the ones who always bring up Jewish issues, at times in arrogant ways.
    (I recall speaking with Jews who have openly bragged about Jewish intelligence and Jewish success)

    1. Jews talk about fighting antisemitism, so you’d think they’d want to keep a low profile. But they have to inject a jewish angle into everything, even if they have to dig a wall to China, they’llgo to great lengths to uncover a Jewish connection. I wish Jews would keep a low profile. I would be happy if I never had to hear about Israel in tthe news, and content to hear about Jews only a few times per year.

      1. I am pretty bored about constantly hearing about the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
        If Americans are complaining about the annual aid given to Israel then wait till Palestine becomes a recognised and inevitable failed state just like every other Muslim country the US has supported since the Afghan war and the billions of dollars the US will have to spend to prop it up to merely keep it functional.
        What happens when Eurasian oil and gas reserves are fully developed and demand and reserves run out in the Mid East then what will happen in the Mid East?

        1. What happens when Eurasian oil and gas reserves are fully developed and demand and reserves run out in the Mid East then what will happen in the Mid East?
          I can’t wait.

        2. Simple. Those Arab countries with oil, become more like those currently without. In fact, I would argue that a large portion of the population of the various GCC countries would be forced to migrate. Their current infrastructure and demands on the environment are simply unstable without a huge injection of money. To my understanding, their attempts at rapid industrialization have largely failed, at least to the extent that it could ever breakeven with oil export revenue.
          Iran on the other hand, the non-Arab nation in the so-called “Middle East” with huge oil and natural gas exports, would be forced to politically change course in it’s international relations. I.E, oil has allowed the theocracy to act in a manor where it finds sanctions irrelevant for the most part, because oil can account for 80% of export revenue, thus sustaining the government. This has both fueled and retarded in domestic development at the same time. It has allowed Iran to industrialize in many ways, to produce that which it’s society and living standards need, while at the same time doing so in a manor that would not be competitive with foreign competition to an extent. In fact, the current system has thrived off of the deliberate lack or allowance of foreign competition.
          Without oil, Iran would be forced to behave more like Turkey, and less like the former Soviet Union. In such a scenario, I wouldn’t be shocked to see Iranian brands of products being sold in the USA. Everything from swamp-coolers to the occasional automobile. Sounds like a pipe-dream, but really is just a result of geo-politics.

    2. Thanks for informing me that I was facing a hostile audience, I wasn’t really aware of that.
      I think this Bibi guy has run out of piss for the moment so this contest is over.
      And, FYI, I am not playing any role here. I like the title “fighting Zionist”. has a nice ring to it.
      Now, putting aside the bragging aspect, do you have any explanation for Jewish success? It seems to me that Jewish success is not really conducive to a better opinion of Jews.
      And, you know, we’re not notably successful at the Olympic Games, if that gives you some comfort.

      1. Now, putting aside the bragging aspect, do you have any explanation for Jewish success?
        High IQ, a very competitive and at times aggressive culture, as well as an intellectual culture that fosters debate and critical thinking. Of course, high ethnocentrism and Jewish collectivist solidarity also helps.
        For all the crap I may give Jews, I have to give credit where it is due. They sure know how to get shit done.
        And, you know, we’re not notably successful at the Olympic Games
        Or any other endeavor that requires physical exertion.

        1. “Or any other endeavor that requires physical exertion.”
          It’s rumoured that Jews are not that bad in bed. Well, the men, anyway.
          the “JAP’S” have a different reputation.
          Possibly there are some here with personal experiences that could enlighten us.

        2. Jewish men are the most arrogant, self centered pricks. They are responsible for spreading the JAP stereotype as well as the bitter old hag and the dyke-like feminist stereotypes. They say we don’t shave our legs, that we are loud mouthed. Jewish comedians always take great pleasure in mocking their female relatives and attributing their behavior to all Jewish females. I may have said bad things about shiksas in the past, but I need a Jewish man like a fish needs a bicycle.

        3. Funny thing is that Kevin MacDonald and other WN writers and thinkers want to emulate Jewish success and group cohesion which they also cite other ethnic and religious groups as an example yet at the same time criticizing Jews for forming strategic alliances with other ethnic groups though only highlighting non-white cooperation like the Jewish-black alliance that split during the 70’s and Jewish organisations connections to Mexican groups which is limited to immigration laws supporting Mexican refugees fleeing the US backed genocide in their home country.
          Themes of WN are:
          1) Persecution syndrome where they falsely claim through non white immigration (which is only in the US) that white people are being genocide.
          2) That all other groups especially Jews have an ethnic cohesion and group strategy while the native white population are to individualistic
          3) They must form a transnational ethnic white identity which some go as far as suggesting restoring pre-Christian paganism which they see as being egalitarian despite the fact that Christian communities in the US and more Christian orientated countries like Poland tend to be almost 100% white.

        4. In regards to Paganism, at least he is consistent. Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion.

        5. “It’s rumoured that Jews are not that bad in bed. Well, the men, anyway.”
          Translation. They have $$.

        6. “I may have said bad things about shiksas in the past, but I need a Jewish man like a fish needs a bicycle.”
          Nice analogy. But you can’t get over your own instinct to mark Jewish men as your own from Asian women. Why is that?

        7. “You can have all the Jewish dick you want.”
          You know I’m from a generation that regarded gay humor with real disgust. I only play at being hip with that shit. But I asked an honest question. If you don’t want to answer, sss’alllright.

        8. Hacienda
          I look at a Jewish boy as if he were my little brother. I don’t want to marry him, but I don’t want to see him exploited by a gold digging shiksa cunt. Does that answer your question?

        9. I don’t think Jewish men are mature enough to make their own decisions regarding marriage.

        10. Hacienda
          If anything, we should be allies. I have often heard Asian men express frustration about the fact that Asian prefer to marry whites.

      2. LadyBoy Randy- I’m only out of piss for the moment, because I just got done pissing all over an Israeli flag and pictures of you from your childhood, which I downloaded off of your website. I had set them both on fire, but then realised it was not an authorised trash burning day, so I had to put it out somehow.
        I see in my absence you have managed to elevate the subject to “Why are Jew dudes such studs in bed?”. You really are are an arrogant , self-centred prick. I see you single out Jewish men only, because you are a mitromem mizdayen batahat who o’chel batachat, so you wouldn’t know about women.
        The only thing you are successful at is being very irritating, in addition to a laughable parody of an ethnocentric Jew/Zionist. Oh, and that effete, precious-sounding British English is not charming- it’s slimy and grating.
        How about this for a topic – Why are some Jews like you such assholes? Discuss!

        1. “LadyBoy Randy- I’m only out of piss for the moment, because I just got done pissing all over an Israeli flag and pictures of you from your childhood”
          LOL

        2. Looks like I’ll have to change my views on re-incarnation. I didn’t think that it could happen with historical reversal in time- but there you go.
          Actually I was thinking of asking Robert if he would be interested in opening a section of the blog as a kind of “kiddies corner”.
          I thought you might feel more comfortable posting your infantile attempts at humour amongst those of a similar mental and intellectual level.
          I can understand why you find my English language and values so grating. After all, they embody values like dignity, class, and self respect. Values with which you cannot claim to have even a passing acquaintance.
          And, as for your proposed topic, it would appear from this and previous posts, that you have a far closer relationship to, and obsession with, assholes than I do.
          The pity is that the tone of the site really improved in your absence. It would be a shame to drag it down to your level again.

        3. @ David Ben Carrion
          LOL
          Give it up, Andyboy.
          As Deputy Prime Minister of Israel, I order you to end your hasbara campaign!

  20. Arabs so tend to seek out discrimination and are over sensitive. They called “In the Army Now” ‘racist’ because it shows the Libyans in traditional bedouin garb and because the Hickass sargeant urges his soldiers to “blow the hell out of them.” If anything it reflects more poorly on rednecks than on Arabs.

    1. @ GSG
      You really have a problem with critical thinking. Hollywood pokes fun at rednecks and religious Christians; however Arabs and Muslims are portrayed as being genuinely malicious and evil. They want to harm the US and genuinely harm the American public. I don’t mind family guy making fun Arabs and Muslims because its damn funny and Seth is at least consistent. Hollywood is something else. If your mind is unable to grade stereotypes or grasp the concept of doing so, then this debate is truly pointless.
      @ Johnny boy
      I haven’t seent he French version of true lies. Was the plot based in the US too?

      1. @Dota
        I haven’t seen the French version of true lies. Was the plot based in the US too?
        No I think it was set in France other than that I think it is a direct remake.

    2. There are some terrorist movies about Arabs but Arab Americans are severely over sensitive. They referred to Aladdin as “Anti Arab.”
      I am a critical thinker. Most people would just cut and paste what they saw on a website to support their views. I go to enemy territory and analyze them.

      1. whats the difference between ‘some’ and ‘many’ in your view?
        And parts of Aladdin were anti Arab. You remember the opening theme? If you actually think that’s good harmless fun for kids then there’s not much else to be said. And I’m glad that Arabs are over sensitive. Wouldn’t want them to turn into whitey whose become so used to being fucked up the ass by the tribe that he’s desensitized to it. (sorry BAG, i wish more whites were like you, but i had to make this point)
        “”I am a critical thinker””
        Err no. You elevate banality to an art form.
        “”Most people would just cut and paste what they saw on a website to support their views. “”
        Even that would be a step up for you.

        1. Their “anti arab” claims about Aladdin were pretty petty at best. One argument against it was that the two heros (Aladdin and Jasmine) had “buttercream” features aside from their dark skin and the villains (Jafar and Gazeem) have long noses. But if you watch Al Jazeera, you’ll see plenty of female news anchors with traditional European features.
          Arabs are every bit as arrogant, chauvinistic, and over sensitive as the tribe. They would have an easier if they kept a low profile but they let you know they’re Arabs. I met a (half Lebanese) guy, who was lily white and had an Italian name and was always claiming that he was the victim of “anti arabism.” I told him that he could easily conceal it simply by not telling people. I reasoned that I could understand not wanting to hide it, but the average person doesn’t need to know. I don’t talk about Jewish culture to every person I meet. He was outraged.

        2. You don’t have to insult someone simply because they disagree with you. That reflects more poorly on you than it does on me.

        3. I already said that the creation of Israel on anoher’s land was an injustice to the Palestinians, though I will never embrace Palestinian nationalism or bring myself to love them. I will not fawn over Arabs or parrot their arguments; there are millions of naive, starry eyed idealistic morons doing just that. They don’t need a realist like me. I am more concerned with addressing dual loyalty among American Jews, and relieving Germans of Holocaust guilt.

        4. @Gay State Girl
          Most of the controversy alleged against Disney cartoons is that they insert hidden subliminal sex images in their films although they end up just being things misinterpreted.
          Arabs are every bit as arrogant, chauvinistic, and over sensitive as the tribe.
          Twin brothers, separate mothers. 😉
          Actually it might have some to do with migration from the Caucasus region that seem to be extremely tribal and ethno-centric with a mass migration of Caucasus Muslims in the 19th Century and after WW2 to the Mid East and Jewish migration from the Caucasus to the Pale of Settlement under Catherine the Great then during the Czarist period mass immigration to the US under the Czar in the early 20th Century and Caucasian Jews migrating to Israel after the collapse of the USSR and various conflicts in the region.

        5. @ GSG
          “I already said that the creation of Israel on anoher’s land was an injustice to the Palestinians, though I will never embrace Palestinian nationalism or bring myself to love them.”
          Noted. However we’re talking about anti Arab sentiment in Hollywood, what does the Arab Israeli conflict have to do with this right now? (it does indirectly, but has no bearing on the immediate discussion)
          “One argument against it was that the two heros (Aladdin and Jasmine) had “buttercream” features aside from their dark skin and the villains (Jafar and Gazeem) have long noses. “”
          The protagonists have White features whereas the antagonists appear stereotypically Arab. Yeah, nothing wrong with this, merely a coincidence.
          “”Arabs are every bit as arrogant, chauvinistic, and over sensitive as the tribe. They would have an easier if they kept a low profile but they let you know they’re Arabs””
          Khaleeji Arabs perhaps, but not the Shami ones. They have become reactionary because their identity is constantly attacked. These aren’t your harmless funny stereotypes like family guy, but malicious and hateful defamation. Germans are given a similar treatment. When I hear the word Germany, the first thing that comes to my mind is Johann Strauss (technically Austrian I know), to the average white person, it’s Nazi Germany. I’ve tried this with many white friends so dont bother arguing about it. There was a similar vicious anti German smear campaign run by the Jews around the time of ww1.

        6. @ Dota
          Yeah, it is kind of pathetic how blind the white masses are to the Jewish Question.
          Even for those who occasionally make stereotypical remarks about Jews, it typically revolves around tired, rehashed big nose and money grubber stereotypes.
          They know little about the actual role the organized Jewish community has played in attacking white America.

        7. When I hear the word Germany, the first thing that comes to my mind is Johann Strauss (technically Austrian I know), to the average white person, it’s Nazi Germany. I’ve tried this with many white friends so dont bother arguing about it.
          Oh believe me, Dota, I certainly know this to be true. Unfortunately, I admit, I too used to be one of those white people who thought German = Nazis.
          I look back on those days with amused shame.

      2. Oh believe me, Dota, I certainly know this to be true. Unfortunately, I admit, I too used to be one of those white people who thought German = Nazis.
        I look back on those days with amused shame.

        Most Germans are Nazis. It’s true. I am 3/8 German myself, and of course I am a Nazi, and even those with German blood are still Nazis.
        SEIG HEIL MOTHERFUCKER!

        1. John
          What do you make of the claim (by Reverand Jeremiah Wright among others) that AIDS was man made? It seems that there is legitimate evidence to back that up.

  21. “I need a Jewish man like a fish needs a bicycle”
    Given your obvious unfortunate past experiences explains your hostilty to some degree.
    But , I think your generalisations are a bit sweeping. Are ALL non- Jews the same as each other? All Blacks, or any racial or religious group?
    After all, you never met me, and I’m charming.

  22. “It’s rumoured that Jews are not that bad in bed. Well, the men, anyway.”
    Translation. They have $$.
    Dear Lady
    I hadn’t realised that your hatred was that deeply ingrained. You must have made some pretty bad choices.

      1. Do the shiksas actually LOVE them?
        Or are you saying that shiksas only sleep with Jews for money?
        And JAP’s don”t?
        This may come as a surprise to you, but not ALL Jews actually have money.
        So how do they get laid?

        1. True. Jewish women can be materialistic and judgemental as hell. But when a JAPs seeks out Jewish men, she does so for tribal reasons. When a shiksa says she loves Jewish men, it’s always for financial reasons.

  23. A Jewish man might not be rich, but shiksas always assume that he can become rich or has good connections.

      1. You sacrifice yourself to protect Israel and defend the indefensible, but you still won’t give a Jewish woman the time of day? A typical Jewish man.
        I guess I’m biased. All of my male relatives who married non Jewish women ended up being screwed. I’ve heard young women talking about finding Jewish sugar daddies or young Jewish boys so they can leech off their trust funds (not those exact words.) My mother also taught me that shiksas who sought out Jewish men do so for financial reasons.

        1. My dear lady
          You totally misjudge me and I’m sorry for giving the wrong impression.
          Whilst it is true that ladies, not of the Jewish persuasion, have occupied some important times in my life, I only ever married Jews. And each of my children has a Jewish mother. It’s just that they each have a different one.
          I can see how the experience of your family and your mother’s attitude has affected your judgment of this subject and has caused this bias. I guess that suggesting that not all people are the same, will fall on deaf ears.
          I don’t regard putting forward an alternative viewpoint about Israel as a sacrifice. On the contrary; on this forum it’s a challenge. And I defend the defensible. Those presenting the opposite view are taking care of the indefensible.

  24. @Gay State Girl
    “You don’t have to insult someone simply because they disagree with you. That reflects more poorly on you than it does on me.
    Couldn’t have put that better myself!
    Does it also apply to people who insult me?

  25. @ GSG
    “the creation of Israel on anoher’s land was an injustice to the Palestinians”
    ( unquote)
    But when Israel was established the only “Palestinians” were Jews. The invention of a Palestinian identity for Arabs was created decades later.
    I was also interested to notice your reference to Germans and the Holocaust. How do you feel today’s Germans should relate to their history?
    And how should they have related to in the decade after the war?
    Regarding dual loyalty; do you assert that is an exclusive domain of Jews? Do not other ethnic groups give support to their cultural origins even after taking the oath of allegiance?

    1. Well, after High School, I joined the U.S Army. Other classmates joined other branches of the U.S military. Some of the Jewish guys joined the Israeli Defense Forces. I asked them, why don’t you serve your country? They said they are!

      1. FTR I am very uncomfortable with the idea of diaspora Jews serving in the IDF and then returning to their home countries rather than staying in Israel. I have tried to address the issue of dual loyalty rather than the Palestinian cause with them because that will go nowhere.
        Two of my cousins are currently serving in the US air force and I know about ten others who are serving in the US military.

  26. @GSG
    “LadyBoy Randy- I’m only out of piss for the moment, because I just got done pissing all over an Israeli flag and pictures of you from your childhood”
    LOL
    My Dear Lady,
    Aren’t you just a tad ashamed of your “LOL” after your “insult” post?

  27. @Dota
    “There was a similar vicious anti German smear campaign run by the Jews around the time of ww1.
    Were you aware that over 100,000 Jews served in the German army in WW1, and that over 10,000 of them died for the Fatherland?

    1. Which is only .008- eight-tenths of one percent of the 13 million in the German Army at the time. And they had no choice- they were drafted. None of which has anything to do with Dota’s point.
      Why don’t you address the point instead of coming up with nonsensical red herrings? Obey the rules of logical debate.

      1. @ Ben Carrion
        Thank you!
        By the way, which Israeli leader are you going to make fun of next?
        I, following your example, briefly changed my name to Avigwhore Dweeberman.

        1. We’ll keep our options open. One problem: every time I pronounce a Hebrew name, I wind up hocking a big loogie (from the deep back of the throat) on the person sitting three feet across from me… Alas, which makes be beg leave of my station and seek the pardon of others…whilst I must then must thus inquire of our Jewish colleague Randy: to what gives such remedy the aforementiontioned ejaculatory mucosal affliction?

        2. One problem: every time I pronounce a Hebrew name, I wind up hocking a big loogie (from the deep back of the throat) on the person sitting three feet across from me… Alas, which makes be beg leave of my station and seek the pardon of others…whilst I must then must thus inquire of our Jewish colleague Randy: to what gives such remedy the aforementioned ejaculatory mucosal affliction?
          Only cure is to move to Israel.They are a dirty, loathsome, rat-like, Marxist, professorial, media-controlling people who spit on each other all the time habitually as they converse. They have the Dead Sea on their faces most of the time when they are just trying to have a pleasant conversation.

      2. I see old habits die hard.
        The Jewish population of Germany in 1914 was around half a million. So the proportion of Jews that served in the army was exactly the same as non Jews in respect of population size.
        Seems logical to me, but you, I understand choose to operate under different rules and continue to obfuscate the truth.

        1. None of which has anything to do with charge: whether or not
          ‘There was a similar vicious anti German smear campaign run by the Jews around the time of ww 1″
          I believe that refers to the Baby-Skewering Hun propaganda campaign in the U.S. and U.K.
          German Jews (those who were not drafted) were accused of undermining the war effort in Germany during WW1, also.
          The accusation has also been leveled that Jewish financing of Britain helped defeat Germany in WW1, leading to the Balfour Declaration as a “payback”, and also contributing to anti-Jewish sentiment in Germany leading up to WW2.
          Which has nothing to do with how many Jews were drafted into the German Army in WW1.

  28. Actually it might have some to do with migration from the Caucasus region that seem to be extremely tribal and ethno-centric with a mass migration of Caucasus Muslims in the 19th Century and after WW2 to the Mid East and Jewish migration from the Caucasus to the Pale of Settlement under Catherine the Great then during the Czarist period mass immigration to the US under the Czar in the early 20th Century and Caucasian Jews migrating to Israel after the collapse of the USSR and various conflicts in the region.
    John, they’re all fucking Chechens.
    Jews are Chechens.
    Arabs are Chechens.
    Muslims are Chechens.
    Chechens are Chechens.
    The Caucasus is all Chechens.
    Fuck em all, I say. Fuck the Chechens! Fuck the quasi-Chechens! Fuck the pseudo-Chechens! Fuck the Arabo-Chechens! Fuck the Judeo-Chechens!

  29. Dota that’s just being petty. for all the alleged discrimination against them (real or not), Arabs still do a disproportionate amount of complaining, which is somewhat hypocritical on their part because the Arab world is hardly the most tolerant place in the world and many other groups such as South Asians, Central Asians, and African Muslims, who are harshly discriminated in the Arab world, are also on the receiving end of post 9/11 backlash. And while American Arab Anti Discrimination Committee has paid lip service to them, they have not done much to help them and deny any form of racism.
    Is Al Jazeera also “anti Arab” because it hires Arab women with western features rather than stereotypical Arab features as its anchor women?

    1. There is a difference between discrimination and defamation/hate mongering. Figure it out and then come back.

      1. I’ve said before that I am appalled by the neo conservative movement and its efforts to drag us into unnecessary wars and its protrayal of Islam as the dark force, or ultimate evil. But calling Aladdin “anti arab” is a bit o a stretch. I don’t think any kid emerged from that movie with a newfound desire to kill Arabs. There are legitimate examples of anti arabism in Hollywood, particularly in political films, but much of their arguments are petty. Arabs are pretty petty. They complain about Western anti arabism, even among the PSM and anti war activists. I understand that many of the feminist and homosexual rights groups as well as Kurdish Solidarity and Save Darfur campaigns are a front for imperialism in the region, and would never align myself with a feminist group in the middle east (primarily because I don’t care about arab women. 🙂 but that doesn’t mean such problems don’t occur

        1. @Gay State Girl
          There are legitimate examples of anti arabism in Hollywood, particularly in political films, but much of their arguments are petty.
          Are you kidding out of all the groups Arabs/Muslims are hardly tou other thhan that one special group because they are just angels. 🙂
          I would like to see some good examples of anti-Arab sentiment in Hollywood and not some BS like the sand people in Star Wars: A New Hope.
          The only example I can think of is the movie Network.

  30. Andy
    Yes, establishing an ethnonationalist state on someone else’s land is an injustice, especially when it requires that you be the majority and leaves them as minorities within their ancestral homeland. It’s wrong no matter how you try to spin it. Regarding your Jewish children, I’m glad to know that you walked the walk.

    1. I don’t see any possibility of a meeting of minds on the issue of the land.
      70% of what was left of the British Mandate in Palestine (after 75% of the original territory was illegally given by the British to create the {Arab} Kingdom of Transjordan) was not owned by either Arabs or Jews. It was state owned land that reverted to Israel after it’s independence.
      “Ancestral Homeland” has a nice emotive ring to it – but the interpretation of “Ancestral” is extremely fluid in the Arab narrative.
      Israel has been unfairly demonised in the allegations of how it treats its minorities. Those minorities enjoy freedoms that minorities in Arab and/or Muslim countries can only dream about. Assuming any minorities are actually allowed in those states.
      And, those Arabs that have Israeli citizenship, have not demonstrated any eagerness to exchange that for Palestinian citizenship, should the opportunity arise.
      Perhaps they know something that you don’t?

      1. Those minorities enjoy freedoms that minorities in Arab and/or Muslim countries can only dream about.
        Don’t bank on it. There is only one Jewish state, and something like 57 Muslim countries. A better comparison would be how Israel treat Arabs, in relation to how Arab states within the Arab League treat Israelis on average.
        Then you point will hold some weight.

        1. How can you make the comparison when a number of Muslim/Arab countries don’t allow Jews to even exist there?
          Entry to many of them with an Israeli passport, or an Israeli stamp on an International passport, is impossible. And it would appear that they don’t treat Christian and other minorities much better either.
          I guess it’s a bit difficult when the dominant religion regards all non believers as inferior infidels.
          On the other hand, minorities inside Israel enjoy almost unlimited freedoms, notwithstanding all propaganda efforts to paint a different picture.
          And if Israel is such a terrible place for minorities why do refugees from Africa risk their lives everyday to try to cross the border to live and work here. We are not talking small numbers, but tens of thousands from sub- Sahara Africa- 20, 000 from Eritrea alone.
          Isn’t it ironic; most of them are Muslim and speak Arabic – but they only want to come to Israel, not to any of our neighbours.
          Maybe they know something you don’t?

        2. Muslim and Arab ain’t the same thing, sugar tits.
          Just take a vacation in Turkey. You got to watch fat Israeli guys blow wads of bank on Turkish pussy(and dick), like their ain’t a tomorrow. Turkey is a Muslim country, last I checked…

  31. @dbc
    So I understand that you accept that Jews fought and died for the Fatherland in WW1 in the same proportion as non Jews. So much for your unjustified insinuation.
    Regarding the war propaganda; all parties used propaganda and scare stories to promote their war efforts. That was a normal element of warfare.
    You claim that the Jews were “accused” of promoting this tactic. Firstly, an accusation does not prove guilt and, secondly, most of the propaganda was developed and promoted by non Jews.
    To the extent that the Jews participated, if at all, it would have been in relation to their proportion of the populations – which amongst the allied nations was miniscule.
    The Balfour declaration was based on British self interest at the time.

    1. Have we fallen down the rabbit hole?
      So now you’re all about lovin’ der Fatherland? What?
      Your non-answers logical contradictions are inane.
      1. Jews getting killed in armies in WW1 is an interesting footnote. Has nothing to do with the question Doesn’t take a lot to get you to gloat, huh?. You didn’t win the logical point, and you prance around like you did.
      2. I don’t “claim” Jews were accused. THEY WERE ACCUSED. Fact. In fact, the accusation is TRUE! Evidence? One minute at Wiki reveals:
      ” During World War I, President Woodrow Wilson hired Lippmann and Bernays to participate in the Creel Commission, which was to sway popular opinion in favor of entering the war” “The war propaganda campaign of Lippmann and Bernays (two Jewish experts on propaganda) produced within six months such an intense anti-German hysteria as to permanently impress American business (and Adolf Hitler, among others) with the potential of large-scale propaganda to control public opinion.”
      “The Creel Committee also encouraged censorship of the American press.” “The Committee was so unpopular that after the war, Congress closed it down without providing funding to organize and archive its papers.”
      Do you know nothing about propaganda? The anti-German campaign in WW1 is still considered ground-zero for modern propaganda, and is noted for it’s outright untruths- saying Germans were doing things they were not. You are uneducated on this subject.
      “most of the propaganda was developed and promoted by non Jews.” I just proved you wrong.
      As far as the ludicrous assertion that Jews participate in things only in proportion to their miniscule numbers- I’m still laughing!
      I might add that you tried to use the same non-truth “logic” to claim two opposite things: that they were only a small proportion of propagandists or seditionists, but that they were in the army in proper proportion.
      Seeing as propaganda uses every logical fallacy in argument, which is something you do also, I would have thought you weren’t so uneducated on the subject- but I suspect you are just playing stupid just to be an asshole- something you excel at.
      As for your insult about my needing “therapy”, what kind would that be? Pro-Jewish Brainwash Therapy? Sorry, already had that, growing up in the good ol’ Jew S. of A. Got over it. Lekh tiz’da’yen, you dafuk barosh ben kelev ben zona. Fuck you very much!
      .

      1. I cannot help it if you interpret facts as gloating.
        The numbers of Jews who fought and died for Germany is relevant to any discussion on the position of Jews in German society.
        Regarding the Creel Commission:
        “During its lifetime, the organization had over twenty bureaus and divisions, with commissioner’s offices in nine foreign countries.” (wiki).
        And you managed to locate 2 Jews, one of whom:
        “Walter Lippmann, a Wilson adviser, journalist, and co-founder of the New Republic, was a sharp critic of Creel “( wiki)
        In the case of this Commission, it would appear that Jewish participation was even less than miniscule.
        I note that you continue to have an obsession with one particular bodily orifice and a preponderance to resort to vile language in closing your posts.
        If that’s not a case for treatment, then i don’t know what is.

        1. Bernays is the acknowledged father of propaganda, Bernays and Lippmann were the leaders of the propaganda team. They weren’t just “two guys”. You are a liar.
          Also, you lied about my language: I called you a fuckhead, told you to go fuck yourself, and called a son a dog, son of a whore. Get the record straight! I’m putting you on “ignore”….

  32. @Robert
    What happened to you today? Got out of the wrong side of the bed? A blanket accusation about ALL Israelis?
    Take me, for example:
    Dirty – I shower every day and more frequently in the Summer
    Loathsome – only by a couple of your contributors ( and you, apparently)
    Rat-like – something to do withe the nasal shape?
    Marxist – you could find it a little difficult to locate many of those here.
    Professorial – well, yes. we have a lot of those. Probably accounts for our Nobel successes.
    Media controlling- I can’t deny it. Jews do control the media here in Israel.
    Spitting – disgusting habit but never at each other. Only in the street.
    Dead Sea on the face – only when I was there with Mr Tunick ( but you know about that).
    And it’s true; we do indulge in many pleasant conversations.
    Unfortunately, not to frequently on this forum.
    Have a good week – and stop being so grumpy. Not good for your health!

    1. It’s a joke. This is my humor. I am making fun of anti-Semitic slurs against Jews in the descriptive adjectives you went over.
      I don’t know if Israelis spit in each other’s faces when they talk, I doubt it, but the language sounds like it. Just another joke.
      You’re not getting my sense of humor. No anti-Israel or anti-Jewish intent was made. Sort of the contrary, actually, making fun of anti-Semitic slurs about Jews.
      Takes a while to figure me out.
      If I was going to diss Jews, and I do it sometimes, I would be a lot classier about it than that.
      I will probably only pop up in this thread to crack bad jokes.

  33. OK – You know, we Jews are a bit oversensitive. Comes from years of being on the receiving end of similar remarks that were not jokes.
    I’ll try to understand your humour. Meanwhile, if you could indicate at the top of the post something like “this is a joke”, it would be easier.
    Of course our friend bibi/david ( or whatever is flavour of the week) is not really joking.
    And if he is, he probably is overdue in seeking treatment.

    1. It’s pretty simple really.
      I just don’t engage in what I would call crude or vulgar anti-Semitism, such as screaming that Jews are a low, vulgar, Marxist, professorial, ratlike and media-controlling race. That’s what anti-Semites say. I don’t talk like that. That’s beneath a man of my station, you must understand.
      Now people do accuse me of anti-Semitism and have done so pretty regularly. Some consider Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Jeff Blankfort, Karl Marx, Jimmy Carter, Kevin MacDonald, the PFLP, the Angry Arab, the Guardian, Counterpunch, Alexander Cockburn, the UN, the Democratic Party and Barack Obama to be anti-Semites. Except for MacDonald, I don’t agree with that.
      Well, if I am an anti-Semite, than it would be in the spirit of these folks. Are things clearer now?
      PS. There was a Wikipedia article about me once saying that I was a prime example of some weird thing called “the New Anti-Semitism,” which is supposedly anti-Semitism dressed up in anti-Zionist garb, but the article got deleted.

      1. “Well, if I am an anti-Semite, than it would be in the spirit of these folks. Are things clearer now?”
        Crystal!
        BTW I really didn’t know much about MacDonald’s history. On a superficial glance at the reviews and critiques of his work I’m not sure whether Jews should feel flattered or insulted.
        Whilst there is a whiff of the “protocols” and despite him appearing to have been adopted as a voice for white supremacy, some of his views are interesting.
        For example, his theories relating to Jewish development in certain skills I see as quite Darwinian. Survival of………..etc.
        In one of my early posts here i mentioned ( only half tongue in cheek) that I had developed a better understanding of anti-Semitism since living in Israel.
        But it’s on a different level from the intellectual, politically orientated anti-Semitism in the USA.
        Living in a society almost entirely surrounded by Jews can be quite stressful for someone whose formative years were spent in England where the anti-Semitism was much more genteel (then!).

        1. MacDonald’s first three books do not have a hint of anti-Semitism in them if you ask me. In addition, that 3 part series of essays called “Understanding Jewish Activism” or something like that are outstanding!
          These works are simply true! You can read them anyway you want to read them, but the truth is just the truth. These are pretty much just ethnographic studies of the Jewish people. I did a brief interview with MacDonald a while back.
          Well, after those works got written, a lot of Super Jews got really freaked out. You know, the Abe Foxman kind that scream anti-Semitism constantly like a broken alarm clock. The Jews really slammed it to MacDonald, and then they tried to get him fired from his job. As this wore on, he seemed to get increasingly anti-Semitic.
          His writing now is still often pretty factual, but it has some really ugly undertones to it that he didn’t have before.
          I don’t think MacDonald started out as an anti-Semite, but I think the Jews turned him into one! You hit a man enough times and he might just start hitting back.
          In my interview with MacDonald, done in 2006, I didn’t think he was anti-Semitic. He seemed more of a Judeophile, or like a Gentile who was fascinated by Jews. I think he also admired Jews and thought that Whites should be more like Jews.
          Since then, his tone has turned rather ugly if you ask me.

  34. I can’t debate MacDonald in depth as I haven’t read his material.
    I’m also not really into the American Jewish Scene but it does seem to me that the American Jewish Organisations act in exactly the opposite way to their British equivalents.
    In the UK the tendency is, and, I think, always has been , to adopt as low a profile as possible. Don’t rock the boat. Don’t do anything to upset the goyim.
    They have been frequently criticised for this, including by me. It smacks to much of a ghetto mentality. On the other hand, I can see that being too strident can produce an effect opposite to that intended.
    There is also a difference in how Jews are perceived in the UK. The basis of the antagonism is almost universal, but the difference is in the numbers and the power.
    There are only around 250,000 Jews in the UK in a total population of around 62 million. More than 50 % live in London with the balance distributed over half a dozen major cities. So you might understand that being a Jew in England is not the same as being a Jew in America. The ability to influence anything is limited. I don’t think many people feel threatened by them, but that doesn’t mean that Jews are not demonised in stereotypical fashion. It’s just done in an understated British way.
    The new dimensions are, of course, the Muslims and Anti – Zionism, with the usual knock on effects.
    Maybe if you knew more British Jews it would assuage your anti-Semitic inclinations!

    1. Well, I don’t agree that I am an anti-Semite. I’m no more of one than you are, let’s put it that way. But that’s just my opinion. Others have definitely called me that, but more in the past than they do now. Lately it is just some Far Leftists who have called me that. Jews haven’t called me that for some time now, but I used to write more about them than I do now. In fact, the Comments Policy was developed because of those damned Jews always coming around and acting terrible towards me in the comments. For a long time, a large number of the banned commenters were Jews, but that’s changed now, and we hardly ban any Jews anymore. In fact, GSG, Jewamongyou and an Israeli guy whose handle escapes me now are regular commenters.
      We don’t ban anti-Semites though, and they do appear regularly in the comments section. Perhaps you may have run into one or more of them yourself here?

  35. Good to know that your anti- Semitism, if it ever existed, has mellowed over the years.
    If you continue along this path ,you could, eventually, end up as one of the tribe.
    Although at your age that could be a tad painful.

    1. Oh I was an anti-Semite all right for a while. But after a while, I realized that I had basically gone insane, so I worked my way out of it. Now I am very careful not to get back into that. Realizing that my anti-Semitism was really a form of insanity, I wonder about a lot of other anti-Semites. Are they going nuts too?
      I’ve actually always wanted to be a Jew. Even when I was an anti-Semite, I wanted to be a Jew. Which is weird, but I suspect that that is going on with more than one anti-Semite.

      1. Come on Robert. You are like the biggest Judeophile there is. I actually thought you were Jewish at first. No way you could ever be a real venomous anti-Semite, unless you are of the self-hating kind. I mean this in all seriousness. You even admitted to loving their intellectual ways. What independent thinking man wouldn’t? If you swapped “Judeophile” for “Pedophile,” you’d have to register anytime you moved within a few miles of a Synagogue, after doing a twenty year prison stint. That’s what a serious Judeophile you are.

        1. Time to bust out some of that kosher porn we all love. I’ve been told by my Imam, that when no Halal XXX is available, that the Kosher kind is acceptable under those circumstances. So long as it contains no alcohol of any sort.

  36. I really cannot understand if you are being serious or if, as you Americans so quaintly put it: “pulling my chain!”
    But, FYI, as far as Israel is concerned, under the Law of the Return, a Jew can be defined as:
    a) Being born of a Jewish mother
    b) A convert to Judaism
    c) Having no prior religious affiliation, but claiming to be Jewish.
    The last one is of course problematic but relates to an apocryphal story I think attributed to Ben Gurion, who said that if someone was crazy enough to call himself a Jew, with all that entailed, then he should be accepted.
    ( actually, it was a wider definition than that, but this is the essence).
    Of course this is not accepted by the ultra orthodox and there are daily battles here about Jewish status between the religious and secular.
    The only reason I tell you all this is to reassure you that it is possible to be a member of the tribe , even if you were not born into it.
    Just to give you something to aspire to!

    1. Lookin’ out my window right now here in Southern California, I have decided to bypass become Jewish. Seems being Mexican for now is a better choice. Later down the road, probably Chinese.

      1. As I pointed out earlier to Robert, becoming Jewish at your age could turn out to be a painful experience.
        Stick with the Mexicans or Chinese.
        No changes needed!

        1. Well, if I wanted to become Mexican, no big deal. I already speak Spanish, am half way brown, and I’d just hook-up with a Chica, and bust out a few dozen kids.
          Chinese is harder. I’d need to learn a very hard language, plus lots of plastic surgery would be needed. Penis delargemnt surgery is very expensive, I hear.

  37. “As Deputy Prime Minister of Israel, I order you to end your hasbara campaign!”
    Why would you do that?

    1. Forgive me, but sometimes I have difficulty in adjusting to the humour on this forum.
      Consequently I don’t understand your quote. Where did it come from?
      And what is it supposed to mean?

    2. It seem no one can explain this joke.
      As it’s your post, can you?
      Much appreciated. I’m waiting to laugh but I don’t yet know at what!

  38. @Cyrus
    “Penis delargemnt surgery is very expensive, I hear.”
    I’m not sure that in your case such drastic reduction is necessary. But, anyway, don’t do it.
    From personal experience I can assure you that it is not obligatory and many Chinese ladies welcome the challenge.

  39. @Cyrus
    Cyrus: Who the hell wants to “spank it” to an Arab chick with regular Arab features???…EEEeeewwwww….
    Reply
    andyboy
    You have something against Arabs?
    Reply
    Cyrus
    No. Of course not.
    So, can you explain this?

    1. Of course I got something against Arabs. I listen to right-wing pro-Israeli FOX News propaganda all day, that has convinced me our only choice as civilized white people, i.e Americans/Israelis, is a final solution of sorts.
      We must fire up the ovens at Auschwitz again, but this time it is for Arabs/Muslims. We got the wrong tribe last time.
      I’m sure you agree. 🙂

  40. @ car guy
    Maybe you can explain what is funny about the following from Gay State Girl:
    {“As Deputy Prime Minister of Israel, I order you to end your hasbara campaign!”
    Why would you do that?}
    I’m still waiting to laugh!

  41. “GSG???
    Who the hell wants to “spank it” to an Arab chick with regular Arab features???…EEEeeewwwww….”
    @Cyrus
    Yeah, full burkas do serve an important purpose!! 🙂
    I actually don’t think Arab women are ugly at all. Lebanese women are considered to be among the most beautiful in the world (though genetically they are more similar to Mediterraneans. North African women are quite attractive as well. I don’t find women in the gulf states to be attractive, but it seems that the marines disagree 🙂 Among Palestinian women, I find Huwaida Arraf and Jackie Salloum to be hideous but Carolyn Hanania (daughter of comedian Ray Hanania) is gorgeous.
    What do you think of Jewish women?

    1. No way. Some Gulf women are extremely beautiful. I am thinking some Saudi women.
      I have also seen some hot Syrian women (Alawis and Christians) and some Palestinian women look great too. Even some Iraqi women are very beautiful.
      It’s really hard to tell how good most Arab women look though because they’re usually wearing bags. :/
      I have seen pics of a lot of Mizrachi women in Israel and a lot of them are very beautiful. I almost like them better than Ashkenazi women.

      1. Sephardic women, Moroccans, Algerians, and Tunisians are very attractive due to the Iberian contribution to their gene pool. Mizrahi women from Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Iran, and Yemen tend to have very Semitic features, so are not very attractive.
        Most Palestinian girls I’ve seen are not very attractive. There is a sharp contrast between the appearance of Lebanese and Syrians, and Palestinians and Egyptians which is strange given the close proximity of the countries.
        OT: two 14 year old Israeli girls made a dancing video and somehow it wound up as the fourth most viewed on Youtube. Inevitably, there was a whole slew of comments calling them “racist little zionists” and what not.

        1. I’ve noticed that to. Syrians and Lebanese women= hot. Palestinians = fat and ugly. It gives credence to Andyboys passionate call for the eradication of the Palestinian race, all on the U.S funded tax dollar.

        2. There is no evidence that inbreeding lowers IQ or that it “makes you ugly” or that biracial offspring will form some sort of master race. That is pure multicultural extremism.

        3. There is no evidence that inbreeding lowers IQ or that it “makes you ugly” or that biracial offspring will form some sort of master race. That is pure multicultural extremism.
          @ GSG
          Preach!
          Indeed, if inbreeding really does cause lower IQ, Jews would be the dumbest people on earth, but that’s hardly the case.
          And if racial mixing were really so wonderful and resulted in healthy offspring, Latin America and Brazil would be on top of the world.
          @ Cyrus
          You and I generally get along and I consider you a pretty cool commenter, but man, you are one of the most cynical and pissy people I have ever encountered online! 🙂
          I too happen to be looking for answers.
          Oh, and it appears our Andyboy friend still has trouble locating humor.

        4. You and I generally get along and I consider you a pretty cool commenter, but man, you are one of the most cynical and pissy people I have ever encountered online!
          BAG, you are the first person to ever say that to me, either online or in the real world. Nobody has ever said something to me like that to me before. Ever. I am hurt. Crushed. Utterly shattered. My life has been turned upside down,

        5. @Gay Sate Girl
          There is no evidence that inbreeding lowers IQ or that it “makes you ugly” or that biracial offspring will form some sort of master race. That is pure multicultural extremism.

          Yes that is why as Andyboy has pointed out that Jews have a higher IQ than any other group is merely coincidental and has nothing to do with the fact of Jewish endogamy within Jewish communities.
          There is plenty of evidence that family inbreeding causes higher rate of birth defects and health conditions and lower rate of IQ, a reason why the Mid East is in such constant social turmoil.
          There is a series that aired on Channel 4 here in the UK and the Discovery Channel called “Human Mutants” that dealt with the issue of genes and how it effects the human body.
          @ Bay Area Guy
          Preach!
          Indeed, if inbreeding really does cause lower IQ, Jews would be the dumbest people on earth, but that’s hardly the case.
          And if racial mixing were really so wonderful and resulted in healthy offspring, Latin America and Brazil would be on top of the world.

          I’m talking about inbreeding within the family of the Mid Eastern/Islamic cultures practice of marrying their first cousin not simply marrying within the same ethnic group.
          Inbreeding does increase the rate of birth defects which is a problem among the Pakistani community in England and the main reason of lower IQ of the countries in the Mid East.

        6. John
          I know that at least one of my sets of great grand parents were third or fourth cousins and none of their children had physical defects. My great aunt on the other side married her second cousin and her sons grew up to be healthy and successful.

      2. I’m not sure about that. Many of my fat, inbred, lazy, diabetic, high school drop-out white American co-worker subordinates tell me that those same “gulf” Arabs are not really human, while Jews are the lamb of God? Any truth to that?
        I’m just a lost boy in a crazy world…Trying to get some answers.

        1. Cyrus
          The American Gulf states have a lot in common with their counter parts in the Middle East: an abundance of oil, little brainpower, and religious fanaticism.

      3. True. Lots of khaleeji women are quite attractive and generally just cover their heads, not their faces. They certainly do not look like darker Barbara Streisands.

        1. “Babs is hot. Don’t be hatin’ on Barbara”
          An even better reaosn for me to be a parsiphile-they love Jewish women!

        2. Parsiphile? You mean you got a thing Indo-Zoroastorians, and vice versa? Paraphiles always had a thing for me, for some reason. Don’t know why.
          Wait! Just looked it up on Google…There really are “Parsiphiles” out there! People actually got a thing for Persians!?!?!? What the hell is the world coming to???
          Come to think of it, I do kinda got a thing for Jewish chics. And Italian chics. Definitely Jewish chics. Always thought it would be fun to slam Bette Midler for a night.

        3. Oh, and then there is that woman from Seinfeld. I’d hit it. Let’s see. Natalie Portman. No question there. Jennifer Connelly is Jewish. I’d do things to that body, that are still illegal in some states. The list goes on…

        4. I haven’t met too many non Jewish Iranians in person, so I don’t know. But I love Iranian culture, Iranian food and I would love to visit Iran.

        5. I assure you GSG most heartily, non-Jewish “Persians” are just as annoying as their Jewish counterparts. You probably couldn’t tell the difference at first or second glance.
          As for visiting Iran someday, give it time. It’s tourist potential is virtually untapped. Maybe in a decade down the road, things will be a little different.

        6. “Babs is hot. Don’t be hatin’ on Barbara”
          She was actually hot in “Hello Dolly”. Not a classic American beauty, but the total package. Then she got too self-important as she got older and I couldn’t couldn’t get a hard-on for her anymore. : (

      4. “Some Gulf women are extremely beautiful.”
        So true. Very peculiar features and haunting, feline intuition quality to these women, something you don’t get from European women or even East Asian women. Nothing on the planet like them.

  42. @ Cyrus
    “Muslim and Arab ain’t the same thing, sugar tits.
    Just take a vacation in Turkey. You got to watch fat Israeli guys blow wads of bank on Turkish pussy(and dick), like their ain’t a tomorrow. Turkey is a Muslim country, last I checked ”
    Firstly, thanks for the “sugar tits”. Nicest thing anyone has called me on this forum ever.
    Now – regarding Turkey:
    It may have escaped you attention over there, but relations between Israel and Turkey are not exactly warm at the moment. Israeli tourism to Turkey is virtually zero. So – no Israeli guys, fat or otherwise!
    And, remind me, what was the relevance of this reply to my post on minorities flocking to Israel?

  43. @ Cyrus
    “Always thought it would be fun to slam Bette Midler for a night”
    In your dreams!
    ( and, given your previous claims about your equipment, don’t you think it would be a little unfair on her?).

  44. @ DBC
    Last paragraph of your response to me:
    “Also, you lied about my language: I called you a fuckhead, told you to go fuck yourself, and called a son a dog, son of a whore. Get the record straight! I’m putting you on “ignore”….”
    I think I will have to revise my feeling that you were in need of treatment. I feel that you are getting close to being certifiable.
    I think everyone would appreciate it if you actually stick to your “ignore” phase this time so that we can continue our debates for grown ups.

  45. @ Robert
    Based on his last post, i think this DBC guy has finally lost it.
    But I assume he will reincarnate himself as some other mythical Israeli politician and grace the forum with more of his erudite perceptions in the near future.

    1. That’s what you think. Take your erudite perceptions and cram it.
      Sidenote: You’re ugly, too. Your picture makes for good target practice.
      You know, you admit that the Israelis aren’t good at Olympic Sports…but didn’t the 1972 Team win the Gold in the Lead-Eating Competition?

      1. Just to get an indication of the standards of this forum – does anyone think that this guy is funny?
        Answering his rants is no longer an option.
        In another era, without the anoymous protection of the blogoshere, the men in white coats would have been standing in line to strap on the straitjacket and cart him away to the nearest loony bin.

        1. Okay, so that last joke was over the top. Call it Black (September) Humour. It was to prove a point- if killing Israelis is not cool, then why is the killing of non-Israelis so acceptable? Why is one Israeli’s life worth 1,000 non-Israelis? That is truly disgusting- that mentality.
          Anyway, if it got you, Andy, to stop responding to me, then- great! Mission Accomplished! I don’t want you to respond, because you and I cannot have a logical discourse. Feel free to talk to others- if they’ll talk to you.
          Being a one-note trumpet is boring- the subject of Jews/Israel is tired and worn out. There are a lot of more interesting things to think about, and talk about.

      2. Shalom, goyim. It’s your president, Baruch Herzl Obamawitz!
        Based on the order of massa Bibi, I have commanded the CIA to monitor the internet to see if there’s anything that might piss off humorless Israelis, cuz you sho know how massa Bibi and his fellow Israelis get when you say something bad about them!
        Therefore, I order Mott to stop provoking Andyboy, and to acknowledge that as an Israeli Jew, he is the most supreme human being on the planet.
        Please, follow my order. I don’t want Bibi to publicly humiliate me again!

        1. Baruch- Your wish is my command. I have now seen the light, I order all my previous remarks stricken, and I recognize that not only are they superior but that they are truly the Chosen People of God. May Yahweh Bless the Jews, and the People of Israel! I am making out checks now to the top 12 Jewish charities (as featured in Forbes’ Top 200 Charities List).

  46. Given the juicy language that occasionally finds its way onto this forum, I thought that now might be a good time for you guys to really appreciate your 1st amendment rights.
    I found this story in a UK newspaper today:
    “A man who used a social networking website to post sectarian comments about Catholics and Celtic supporters has been jailed for eight months.”
    What was his offence?
    “He admitted writing the religiously and racially motivated comments between February 28 and March 8 this year.
    Sentencing him, Sheriff Bill Totten said the courts had to send “a clear message to deter others who might be tempted to behave in this way”.
    One of the comments, posted a day before a Celtic v Rangers game on March 2 this year, read: “Hope they all die. Simple. Catholic scumbags ha ha.”
    Two days after the match, he wrote: “Proud to hate Fenian tattie farmers.”
    “They’re all ploughing the fields the dirty scumbags.”
    He also posted abuse directed at the Pope.
    Well, apart from trying to imagine what could he have written about the Pope that could possibly have been abusive, you will note that he made no personal attack on individuals .
    He was referring to a Football Club!
    It was only because he said sorry that he didn’t get 2 years in jail.
    Savour your freedoms……………………

    1. You do not seem to have an understanding about how “free speech” is interpreted in the U.S. That man’s “scrawl” could been easily interpreted as both a direct threat of violence, but more importantly, as a means to intimidate another group in public, and thus deprive them of their civil rights.
      Nothing of the sort has ever taken place on this website, and I doubt Robert would tolerate it for even a second.

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