Different Types of Child Pornography: Under 13 (Kiddie Porn) and 13-17 (Teen Porn)

Teenage girl CP is completely different from the little kiddie kind.

First of all, most people would not be freaked out seeing teenage girl porn. In many cases, they would probably assume it was legal because it doesn’t look any different from adult porn. Even where they obviously not 18, it doesn’t have that creeptastic shock factor that throws you out of your seat. Also even in those cases, the girls have an adult sex drive (which makes all the difference), and they typically look like they are enjoying themselves.

So who’s harmed by this stuff? The typical argument is that child porn is “the record of a crime.” That’s not controversial, but if so, why aren’t videos showing murder and beheadings illegal too?

Arguments against Child Porn (Pornography of Children under 13 or “Kiddie Porn)

  1. It is the record of abuse. In a lot of cases, that’s not even true, but in other cases, it is.
  2. By being out there and people possessing it, it creates more demand. I agree with that.
  3. The child is harmed every time someone downloads a photo of her CP. This seems dubious. What if she doesn’t even know it’s out there? Even if she does, does she get a notification every time someone downloads her movie? How does that work? If it gets downloaded 1,000 times, how is she anymore harmed than if it’s downloaded one time? She isn’t.
  4. The child did not consent to having their CP spread far and wide all over the Internet. I’m sure that’s true in most cases, so that’s quite a violation, one that can follow the child until adulthood if they know their CP is still floating around out there.
  5. The more pedophiles look at this stuff, the more it arouses them to actually molest. That’s not a good argument and the limited studies we have shows that legal CP makes rates of molestation go down.
  6. A lot of this stuff is not consensual but forced or coerced. That’s a good argument, but would videos of a rape also be illegal. How about videos of a murder? But that kid should be protected from having his abuse put out there for everyone to see. No argument there.
  7. This stuff is just weird, freaky, and gross. I would certainly agree there. If you’ve ever seen this stuff, there’s a yuck factor involved that’s hard to put into words.
  8. The victim was a kid when it happened, kids need to be protected from having crimes committed against them broadcast for all to see, and the depiction of the crime is against the law in the first place. You’re not allowed to take pictures of this crime, while you probably could of most other crimes. This is an argument to show how the photographing of the crime of child molestation is different from the photographing of other serious crimes, such as battery, homicide, etc. Also the others are adults and presumably they could handle their victimization being out there better than a kid could.

What about Teen CP?

Almost all of the above arguments fall apart when you talk about teen CP. Show me one argument that still holds up when we apply it to teens.

  1. It is the depiction of a crime, typically statutory rape. Sure we can photograph other crimes, but this is one crime we cannot photograph because photographing this crime is illegal itself.
  2. It’s yucky, awful, and horrible – it’s upsetting to the senses. The yuck factor argument here falls apart because I imagine a lot of doesn’t even look yucky. Does it look any different from “barely legal” porn out there? Probably not. Even where they look underage, though it does look weird and somewhat disturbing to me, it’s not on the same level as real CP, which almost flings you out of your chair when you see it.
  3. Although most of this activity is probably consensual, some may be forced. Now we get into the argument of whether videos of rapes would be legal. But once again, this is one crime we are not even allowed to photograph, whereas we can photograph just about any other crime, I assume.
  4. If men looked at teen CP, this would arouse them to go out and have illegal sex with teens. That’s dubious, and it’s not the end of the world even if it does happen. In European countries, the age of consent is 14 or 15, and there’s no epidemic of older men hanging out outside high schools to prey on the girls. Nor is there much in the way of 14 and 15 year old girls having sex with older men. 15 year old French girls are capable to telling men to get lost. In other words, just legalizing something doesn’t necessarily increase the rate of it.
  5. The teen did not consent to having their porn all over the Net. Unfortunately, that’s probably not even true in most cases. In most cases, they probably made this stuff themselves as almost all of the teen CP out there is made by girls themselves and their boyfriends. Then they put it up on the Net and apparently don’t care if it goes far and wide, and it can’t go too far and wide anyway.
  6. The teen is harmed every time someone downloads the video. This suffers from the same flaw as the real CP argument, with the added factor that the girl probably doesn’t even feel harmed by the material in the first place as she produced it herself.
  7. By being out there and people looking at it, it creates more demand for the product. I’m not even sure that’s hard to prove because it teen CP doesn’t appear to be a commercial enterprise, probably because it’s so hard to tell it from real porn. Anyway there doesn’t appear to be much of a market for it anyway.
  8. Teen CP is the record of abuse. That’s probably almost never true unless it’s coerced and porn with adult women who were coerced would also be a record of abuse. There’s nothing “abusive” about adults having sex with teens.
  9. It is the record of a crime. Once again, why are homicides of beatings, homicides, presidential assassinations, etc. legal then? Those are records of crimes.

Good Arguments to Keep Teen CP Illegal (with Some Modifications)

I would not be opposed to teens having these photos and videos of each other. Millions of them already do and mostly nothing happens to them. All of the above arguments fall apart in the case of teens keeping porn of each other.

But then it should be restricted. I would say you can have it in your possession, but you can’t distribute it, say put it up on the Internet or sell or give away DVD’s of it. This would seriously limit the spread because how much can anything spread if it’s not on DVD or the Net? Hardly at all. But one thing I dread is going on the Porn Net and getting bombarded by offers to go to sites featuring 16 and 17 year old girls! Because as soon as you make that stuff legal, pornographers, being the sleazeballs that they are, are going to flood the Net within weeks with underage girls naked and soon enough in full hardcore porn.

If you put teen porn up on the Net for everyone to see for commercial purposes, you can and should go to jail. Most of this stuff is distributed in discreet networks that are hard to get to if you don’t know exactly where they are. Teen porn posted in these networks stays where it is. It’s almost all made by teenage girls themselves either alone or with their boyfriends. As long as it’s not spreading wildly to the wide-open web and staying on secretive channels, I don’t see the harm.

But how are you going to differentiate between keeping it on discreet channels and putting it out there for all to see? I have no idea. The main purpose of prosecution ought to be to keep teen porn off the Web in the sense that it is outside of the eyes and ears of your average person. You also need to keep it off of all large commercial, ad-supported, or porn video sites like PornHub. But how do you hold PornHub liable for teen porn it’s users put up there? You can’t. But where the girl is obviously not 18, you could make a case that PornHub should be liable if there is a complaint. You can’t expect them to sort through all the videos, but you can expect them to look at anything that generates complaints.

Society doesn’t want men approaching underage teen girls on the Net and trying to get photos and videos out of them. That the girls willingly hand this stuff out is no matter. This is just something society doesn’t like, along the lines of statutory rape. The penalties ought to be similar to statutory rape instead of CP. It’s hard to argue that having a video of a teenage girl having sex is 5-10X worse than actually having sex with her, but this is what the law will say. I’d want to make the penalties strict enough to deter men from doing this though.

What about adults in legal relationships with teens who have photos and videos of the teen, even in sex acts. It’s even harder to make an argument that this should be illegal or that it’s even CP. It’s legal to have with this girl every day for a year, but if you snap a picture of her naked, you get 10 years? That’s just getting weird. I suppose I would argue that the “personal possession ok, distribution illegal” argument ought to apply here. If it’s legal to have sex with a girl, it ought to be legal to take sex photos and videos of her for your own personal use. The law might require that you prove you were in a relationship with her.

Teens who take videos and photos of themselves is not really CP. There are people getting arrested for making sex photos and videos of themselves when they were underage. One man is on the sex offender list for possessing, when he was 21, a sex video of himself alone he made when he was 17. That’s just nuts. And putting girls in jail for making their own solo porn and keeping it on their drives is crazy.

As with so many sex laws, this issue runs up into all sorts of thorny issues and arguments that make little if any sense. It boils down an emotional revulsion towards this sort of thing and society’s decision to encode its revulsion in law. Many of the justifications for such laws fall apart when you analyze them. And justifications for some laws, for instance CP, change constantly, along with the definitions of it. The best policy is whatever protects the morals and norms of the majority while interfering with the privacy and individual rights of the potential criminal as little as possible.

Friend Knows a Woman’s Husband Who Went Down on Child Porn for Chatting Dirty with an Underage Teenage Girl

A commenter in the private group told about how the husband of a woman she knows got arrested for child porn and now he’s on a sex offender list. Apparently he was talking to one or more underage teenage girls online, and I guess they were sending pics back and forth and his wife found out and turned him in. It’s not really child porn to me. To me the only child porn is the yucky stuff with little children and adults. Gross. A teenage girl looks like a woman. Most men like to look at videos and photos of naked women either posing or doing sexual things. Videos or photos of teenage girls doing the same things probably wouldn’t look much different.

There is a technically illegal video up on the web. Some porn company in Florida shot it. A 15 year old girl lied about her age to do the shoot. It has stayed up on the web for some reason. I think they said 25 million people have watched it so far, so I wasn’t really worried. It was just typical porn, nothing too weird. The odd thing was that if I did not know that girl was 15, there is no way I would think she’s underage. She didn’t look 1% different from a lot of the young 18-19 year old girls in porn, and there are lots of them.

On the other hand, society doesn’t want us men looking at that stuff and it doesn’t want us men to exchange dirty photos and videos with underage teenage girls. The fact that it’s pretty normal behavior is irrelevant. Most crime is probably normal in the sense that it’s not nuts or crazy. We dislike crime not because it’s nuts or crazy but because we think it’s wrong, bad, evil, on and on. It’s a right and wrong, good and bad societal morals thing.

Society has a right to whatever reasonable morals it wishes to have, and not allowing adult men collect or trade pics with minor girls is a legitimate moral value for a society to have. Same with age of consent laws. Society has a right to put the age of consent for sex wherever it wants, anywhere from 14 in much of Europe to 18 in US federal law.

If people tried to set it higher than 18, I’d get mad because now society would be acting ridiculous. Below a certain age, different societies, states, nations, do not want us men messing around sexually with those girls. The fact it’s a normal aspect of male sexuality is irrelevant. As noted above, lots of “normal” behavior is against the law not because it’s nuts because it’s wrong. Society happens to think sex with men and girls below a certain age is wrong. We live in society. The age of consent in my state is 18 and I’m perfectly happy to obey that law and I have since age 21.

I think the AOC here is too high and it’s silly, but I still have to deal with society’s morals. If I violate society’s morals because I think they’re stupid, I might go to jail because society has decided that a lot of what it considers immoral, wrong, bad, or evil behavior should be against the law. This is why we have criminal codes.

I don’t have a lot of sympathy for older guys going down on these stat rape crimes, though the sentences are bizarre, absurd, and almost cruel and unusual. I look at a guy like that and I think, “What an idiot. He knew it was against the law but he did it anyway all because he couldn’t control himself.” There are a lot of stupid things you can do that might land you in jail. The solution is not to do stupid shit that might put you behind gay bars.

About “Child Porn” Involving Teenage Girls

First of all, there has to be “lascivious display of the genitalia” or she has to be engaging in some sort of sexual behavior. Just nudity doesn’t cut it. If she’s standing naked in front of a mirror it’s probably legal. If she has her top off and is flashing her tits, it’s probably legal. Nevertheless, I still probably would not want to have that stuff on my drive, legal or not.

The crazy “child porn” laws change all the time and the definition of “child porn” increasingly whatever the Hell the FBI thinks it is at that moment. I think a lot of these convictions where people thought they were obeying the law but went down on this stuff anyway should be vacated. You can’t have vague laws that nobody knows the definition of. You can’t have crimes where the definition of the crime is always changing so you never really know if you’re breaking the law or not.

Nudist photos are legal. There are nudist sites all over the Net with adults and kids of all ages strolling around naked in the woods, at beaches, at pools. All perfectly legal.

As far as getting arrested for that stuff, you have to either know she was underage and you saved the material anyway (as in she told you how old she was) or else, looking at the material, there’s no way she could possibly be 18. If she doesn’t tell you her age and she could plausibly be 18, it’s basically legal.

I’ve had underage teenage girls come to me several times over the years wanting to trade pics with me. They tended to be 15-17. I’m not going to say what happened other than I ain’t keeping that crap on my drive. It’s probably also a bad idea to send nudes to those girls. I know they ask for them. You’ll probably get away with it, but you might not. I doubt if it’s worth it.

Most of the recent ones came to me on Kik. I was in some Younger Women for Older Men groups on Kik. I guess they see my pic in the members and decide to come talk. One came to me recently on Kik. A really hot 15 year old girl came to me a couple of months ago and wanted to trade pics. You show me yours and I’ll show you mine. If she’s talking like that, good chance she’s not a cop because cops don’t send out pics. I knew she was 15, so told her I was afraid to do it because it was illegal, and she took off just like that. I felt like a pussy but at least I didn’t break the law.

Sometimes they just pop up and send me a pic with some text and then go away. I had one pop up recently and send me a message, “Me Daddy.” She’s nude standing in front of a mirror. I doubt it was CP. She was really hot. I tried to talk to her to ask her how old she was, but she went away. I looked at it for a while and concluded that while she was definitely on the young side, she could plausibly be 18, so I kept it. Really any 15-17 year old girl could plausibly be 18, so unless they can prove that you knew her age, it’s basically legal.

Below 15, things get really touch and go. Nudes and videos with 13 year old girls (or what look like them) just look “way too young.” How do I know? I’ve seen some that look to be about that age. And I ain’t putting any of that garbage on my drive either. When they’re that young, the stuff just looks illegal. Some idiot sent me a pic in a private chat son Kik the other day. I have no idea how old she was, but she was a young teenage girl, and I just got that “way too young” vibe off it. I didn’t save it and I blocked him right away. I was a bit pissed that he sent me that crap.

97% of all CP convictions are for material with minors under 13 having actual sex with adults. In other words, the really bad stuff. There are a ton of people collecting that – so many that there’s no way they can keep up with all of them. There are so many adult men collecting pics and videos of teenage girls 15-17 years old that the cops don’t have the time to waste going after those people, so most of these cases are ignored.

If they went after all the men who have teen stuff on their drives, the cops wouldn’t have time to do anything else, and they still wouldn’t make a dent in it. In the Black Cat Scans case (which was creepy stuff but the girls wore clothes) that site had 25 million unique visitors. That shows you how many men are looking at that stuff. The cops are going to arrest 25 million men? Really? That shows you the scope of the problem. The cops have to triage.

I’ve been in some Kik groups that were literally set up by underage girls themselves. I think one was 13 (but didn’t look it) and the other was 16. They just like to talk to grown men for whatever reason and they want the chat clean. I’ll stay in there a  bit but it starts to get a bit boring. Just some silly teenage girl talking about how school went that day or how she needs to lie down and take a nap. It’s more boring than anything else. They want the chat clean.

If you start talking about sex in there, they often shut the conversation down. And they don’t want dick pics. Some idiots send dick pics and the girls just throw them out of the room. I’m not sure what their agenda is except both are always posting cheesecake sexy photos of themselves in bathing suits or whatever. I think maybe they want to post sexy pics of themselves to get attention from men.

Every now and then, some joker posts something illegal in the group. Someone did a couple of months ago, a video. The girl running the group just said, “Way too young” and threw the guy out. It was a video of a couple of teenagers having sex, but there was no way that girl was 18, so it was illegal. I got the impression that the girl and her boyfriend made this video themselves and then put it on the web. I am hearing that more and more teens are taking porn videos of themselves when they’re having sex. It’s illegal but I doubt if they care, and 98% of them will never get caught.

Also there’s a lot of porn out nowadays that’s not just “barely legal” but they specifically choose adult women with childlike features and bodies so they look like underage teen girls. I think it’s lame myself because as far as females go, whatever the Hell age they are, I want them to look like a woman, not a girl. If she’s 15 and looks like a woman, she’s hot in my book. If she’s 18 and looks underage because she’s so childlike, I’m almost uncomfortable and creeped out by it.

I remember once I was having sex with this 18 year old Korean girl I picked up in LA. I’m not going to say what sort of sex we were having, but she had this curious delight about her her and she was looking at my cock with her eyes down right next to it like it was a cobra that was charming her into a trance. She acted so much like a “kid” even though she was of age that it honestly creeped me out, and for a while I couldn’t get it up. But later I did and it was all good. I still didn’t want to repeat the experience, and that was the only time I saw her. I almost felt like a pedophile having sex with her, and she was a grown woman!

I think there should be lower penalties for “teen girl porn” because let’s face it, it’s not really CP. And all of the arguments they make against CP, including the main one – that it is the depiction of a crime or the depiction of the abuse of a child – totally fall apart when it comes to photos and videos of teen girls.

Alt Left: The FBI Is Full of Shit

This is the sort of thing I read for sheer kicks. That is a 152-page document called Child Molesters – A Behavioral Analysis For Law Enforcement Officers Investigating the Sexual Exploitation of Children by Acquaintance Molesters, written by the FBI’s top expert on child molestation, Kenneth Lanning. I read about this stuff because I am very interested in sex offenders and paraphilias. I’m a teleiophile, and I’ve never molested a kid, thank God. And I never got molested myself. Similarly, I know few people who got molested. It’s just something that interests me.

I will say though that that document is hard to get through. I’ve had it up there forever and I still haven’t gotten through it. Trying reading about  child molesters for 152 pages some time. It’s pretty hard to do and it gets to you after a bit.

About this paper, I don’t think too much of Lanning or his document.

The “Pedophile As a Word with No Meaning” Bullshit

First, he doesn’t seem to know what a pedophile is. He keeps lumping in pedophiles with a preference for small children who molest kids with men who engage in statutory rape with adolescents. The two crimes could hardly be more different, and people who commit them are often extremely different. Few pedophiles even have an interest in a 13 year old! There is no mention of hebephiles. There is no mention that it is quite normal for adult men to have sex with adolescent girls, as we’ve been doing it for 99% of our evolution as a matter of course with no ill effects recorded since. Instead, he calls men who have sex with teenagers pedophiles! Ridiculous!

Second, he’s a pig. A real pig. A fed pig, by far the worst pigs of them all. I actually don’t mind a lot of local cops. But I truly despise feds.

He has an extreme attitude towards child pornography and claims that if a  pedophile is using a photo of a child to masturbate, it’s child porn! So a pedophile has an innocent photo of a kid in a bathtub taken by some doting parent. He’s using it to masturbate. According to Lanning, it automatically becomes child porn. Typical fed pig.

Further, he twists himself in endless circles trying to justify bans on child porn.

First of all, the real deal is a record of a crime. This is a fact.

It’s also a record of horrible abuse. This part is much less certain.

He says the child is victimized by having their photos passed around the world among pedophiles. I agree to a point. However, suppose the child has died? Sure, it’s a record of a crime, but so what? The victim is dead. As the victim is dead, they’re hardly being harmed by their photos being passed around. So there are issues with even the standard justification for making this stuff illegal.

The “Child Porn Is Whatever the Cops Think It Is” Bullshit

In the past 30 years, due to mass hysteria about the subject, courts have bent over backwards to endlessly redefine child pornography. It’s now like the feminist definition of rape – as big as the Atlantic Ocean, expanding all the time, and constantly changing so no one can even define it anymore. Child porn means whatever the pigs think it means. Rape means whatever some feminist thinks it means.

It turns out that if a pedophile has perfectly legal photos of nude kids, but writes lewd things on them or has balloons showing the child making lewd statements and he’s using this stuff to masturbate, it’s child porn! Oh, for God’s sake! Don’t these poor sods have a right to jerk off in peace? Life must be difficult enough for someone with an orientation like this. As you can see, the “photo of a crime” and “kid in the photo is being victimized as the material is used by pedophiles” arguments wash out completely in these cases.

Turns out we need to make up some new arguments to cover this stuff! When you have to keep making up all sorts of different arguments to keep something illegal as circumstances change, chances are the illegality of the behavior is on pretty shaky grounds.

He also agrees the pedophilic cartoons should be illegal, though once again, the child in the cartoon doesn’t even exist and is a fictional character.

By the same token, he wants 2-D CGI child porn to be illegal.

He also wants child sex dolls to be illegal.

And apparently though the FBI has said that child porn must depict nudity, Lanning argues that there are cases where a clothed child is somehow child porn.

Child porn fiction has always been legal until earlier this year, when suddenly it wasn’t. The fact that no one even knows the definition of child porn and that things are perfectly legal until one day the pigs decide without telling anyone that they’re not is very disturbing. Vague laws are unconstitutional. Laws that constantly change their definitions without being so changed by a Legislature or court are unconstitutional. In order to not break the law, you have to know what the law is. If there’s no way to even figure out what’s legal and what’s illegal and where the line between the two is, it’s unconstitutional.

I figure that anything that doesn’t show an actual kid being molested should be legal, sorry. If there’s no kid being molested, there’s no record of a crime. The kid in the pic is not being harmed either, as nothing is happening in the photo.

Anyway, Lanning ends up having to make up more and more new arguments to keep more stuff illegal. Turns out that photos of kids in bathtubs, child porn stories and cartoons, legitimate photos with lewd writing on them, and kid sex dolls all need to be declared child porn and be made illegal because…get this…pedophiles use them to masturbate! Apparently everything a pedophile uses to masturbate is illegal! That’s just crazy.

The “It Makes You Dangerous So It’s Illegal” Bullshit

He also says that all of these things that the pedophile uses to masturbate increase the likelihood that he will offend and molest a kid, which is justification for wanting to send them packing for everything they use to jerk off.

The problem is there’s no evidence of that.

In fact, what little evidence exists from countries in which child porn was legal for a while before being made illegal shows that molestation rates were quite a bit lower when the material was legal and went up significantly when it became illegal. I know the Netherlands is one such case. Apparently as rapists watch porn instead of raping, and porn makes rape rates go down, pedophiles look at child porn instead of molesting, and molestation rates go down.

The “It’s Illegal to Be Dangerous” Bullshit

So these guys are being arrested for the crime of “dangerousness.” I wasn’t aware it was against the law to be dangerous. Generally speaking, any law allowing cops to arrest people for “dangerousness” is unconstitutional. Of course there are some exceptions, mostly in terms of red flag laws.

In most other cases, you can’t be arrested because people think you’re dangerous. You can be as dangerous and scary as you want, and it’s perfectly legal.

However, if you are crazy and dangerous, we can hospitalize you.

The MDSO Ultra-Bullshit

This was the basis for the ridiculous and unconstitutional Mentally Disordered Sex Offender laws, where, incredibly enough, people who have served their full terms and paid their debts to society are re-sentenced just before they get out on the grounds that they are “dangerous.” Hell, 90% of the people we let out of prisons are probably pretty damn dangerous. It doesn’t mean we keep them locked up beyond their terms!

And because it’s perfectly legal to be a menace, the courts have twisted themselves into Octopus-like positions to claim that these men are both mentally ill and dangerous because if they are nuts and dangerous, we get to hospitalize you. These laws also operate on the bizarre and insane notions that locking these guys up for the rest of their lives after their terms are up on “dangerousness” chargers is…get this…not a form of punishment! Because if it was a form of punishment, it would be illegal!

I guess it’s actually a huge gift and a favor to these shmucks to lock them up for the rest of their lives on bullshit “dangerousness” charges.

Turns out that you don’t even have to be seriously mentally ill to get locked up this way. Most of these folks aren’t the tiniest bit crazy. All you have to have is a mental disorder that makes you dangerous! In practice, these are paraphilias, typically pedophilia. However, non-pedophiles keep getting socked away under these laws, particularly hebephiles.

The “Let’s Make Up Some Mental Disorders” Bullshit

Turns out that when you can’t figure out what paraphilia the person has, you get to make one up! So the hebephiles go down on Paraphilia Not Otherwise Specified or Paraphilia NOS. Turns out that hebephilia is not even a documented paraphilia in the DSM. Turns out it’s not even mentally disordered behavior. Turns out it’s not even abnormal! Nevertheless, it can get you socked away forever on some bullshit law after you get out of prison.

One more thing. Locking people up as they are walking out the door for made-up crimes, or really for the crime they went down on, is obviously convicting someone twice for the same offense. They get around this by saying they’re not punishing these folks. Instead they’re doing them a favor!

This is just abuse. They’ve also invented brand new paraphilias where none exist. They’ve invented some Paraphilic Rape Disorder where the rapist is specifically and preferentially aroused by the thought of raping. Turns out this sort of thing is quite rare, and rapists, like most men, get turned on by a million things. Furthermore, the American Psychiatric Association says there’s no such thing as Paraphilic Rape Disorder. No problem! Just make up a diagnosis! They simply say the man has Paraphilia NOS, and he goes down on that. Who knows what Paraphilia NOS even means. As with child porn above, apparently it means whatever some prosecutor thinks it means!

Alt Left: Discussing Adult-Minor Sex, Chronophilias, Child Molestation, Rape, Child Porn and Other Taboo Subjects

What’s the message here? I don’t know the exact science of whatever men really feel, but they should be quiet, and especially they should know if they do something with kids, the consequences could be fatal, and the vigilante etc., might not be punished.

Yeah, I refuse to keep quiet about this stuff. My conscience is clear. I’m a teleiophile and I’m no more interested in little girls than any other man. I’m not even into junior high girls. Looks like way too much of a young girl. Of course I don’t molest little girls and I’ve never done anything like that in my life other than some weird childhood sex play with girls who were around my peer age around puberty. We were 13 and she was 11, if you want the details. My conscience is clear.

I advocate that all men not molest little girls and not collect obvious child porn because you can harm the girl and also I think it’s weird and you can go to prison hard. I don’t care much about CP except that the real thing is evidence of a crime. The main thing is if you have that crap on your drive, you can get arrested and you will go down hard.

I advocate that all men respect the statutory rape laws of the state or country where they reside, if only because I don’t like to see my brothers going to jail on this stuff. And I’m not wild about men having sex with 13 year old girls. A lot of places call it child molesting and let’s face it, that’s an awfully young girl.

Other than that, of course you can think anything you want or do anything legal you want to with any willing minor of any age.

This is what I advocate. Why would I get murdered by a lynch mob for advocating something reasonable and law-abiding like that? I don’t get it. And no one who kills or hurts me over this stuff is going to get off the hook by some judge because he talked about weird stuff like pedophilia, child molestation, rape, child porn, and statutory rape. So what! Anyone can talk about anything. No judge is going to let someone of the hook for “killing some guy who talks about weird stuff.” Forget it.

As you can see below, the things I do in my life are pretty much legal and I don’t do anything outrageously bad or illegal. I don’t download and save CP on my drive. I don’t engage in any sort of sexual behavior with jailbaits. Sometimes I talk to them as they are in those Kik groups below. But in California it’s perfectly legal to talk to teenage girls. I usually don’t want to get too sexual in my conversations with them though.

I don’t know if it’s my looks, but if I talk to one of those girls for 20 minutes (and I’m very careful how I talk to them), I can guarantee that the devious little nympho seductress will figure out a way to shift the conversation over to sex! See? They go after us men! A lot of those jailbaits are horny as Hell and they love men. I prefer to see them more as dangerous than anything else. They’re almost a menace.

I’ll talk to them after that. A few have sent me pics, but the pics were mostly legal as far as I’m concerned. Erotic but legal. I try not to get into actual sexting with them, though I did it a lot (mostly with women but also with a few 14-17 year old jailbaits) in Yahoo groups 20-25 years ago, but all this stuff was way more wide open back then. Nobody was worried about anything. The situation has completely changed now 20-25 years later. Everyone is paranoid, cops are arresting men on all sorts of vague, weird, and stupid sex law bullshit, and this whole area has gotten a whole lot scarier.

I absolutely like to look at 15-17 year old girls because they are highly sexual to me, and they really turn me on. I haven’t touched a jailbait since I was 21, and I don’t anticipate doing so in the remainder of my life.

I don’t collect child pornography and when I see the really bad stuff, I report it right away. I have pics of teenage girls on my drive. Most I knew were 18 or 19. I get photos like this quite a bit. I have a huge folder full of pics young women, mostly 18-23 but up to 27, sent me.

A couple wouldn’t tell me their age. They just sent me nudes with a message, “Me Daddy” and went away. I look at it closely, and if she could possibly be 18 by any stretch of the imagination, I keep it. Once girls get into the 12-14 year old age range, it’s pretty obvious that they are way too young and I don’t touch that stuff and I block anyone who tries to send it to me.

I see that stuff posted in Kik sex groups once in a while, and idiots on Kik try to send me pics with that stuff that they are selling. I delete the pics and I don’t download any of those videos or photos. I’m not putting any of that stuff on my hard drive.

I was in a Kik group the other day and someone posted a video with a very young as in way too young teenage girl sucking her boyfriend’s cock and him cumming in her mouth.

The group was literally run by a teenage girl, a 16 year old girl. It was mostly just her, a few other mostly women and girls, and a bunch of men. Those groups are all called something like Younger Women for Older Men. Another group like that is run by a 13 year old girl!

These are just jailbait teenage girls who like to talk to adult men. They pose pics of themselves now and again to show off or get likes, but the pics are never pornographic. They tend to be cheesecake-like, maybe her in a bathing suit. Any kind of porn is rarely posted in the sites run by those girls because they’re not really into porn. If you post porn or dick pics in there, the girls who run the group throw you out right away. And the conversation is not supposed to stray into overtly sexual territory because the girls don’t really want to talk about that stuff.

But with a name like that, idiots post obvious CP or what we call “way too young” teenage girl (13-14 years old?) videos and photos now and again.  The girl who runs the group will say, “Whoa that looks way too young,” and they usually just throw the guy out right away. I might look at it, but Hell if I am putting that crap on my drive.

Game/PUA: Sure, Men Like ‘Em Young, but How Young?

Warning: Long, 18 pages.

This is a comment from Bumface, a regular commenter from the UK. He’s a bit of a volatile fellow, but I’ve kept him around anyway because he’s also nice sometimes, and he can be interesting. I might as well point out right now that it is more than obvious to me that Bumface is a hebephile, that is, he is preferentially attracted to girls in the pubescent 11-14 age range.

However, the American Psychiatric Association has stated flat out that Hebephilia is not a mental disorder. They also said that it’s not even abnormal! The APA said that hebephiles who act on their feelings and have sex with girls in that range would in most countries be called criminals. So if you just have these thoughts, it’s nothing, but if you act on them, in most places, you would be a criminal.

I’ve done some research and hebephilic attractions are very common in men. In fact, 19% of all men are like Bumface – they are preferentially attracted to 11-15 year old girls! In most cases, they probably have a strong attraction to mature females too, and in that case, you can always suppress or repress your antisocial hebephilic urges and focus on your prosocial attraction to adult women.

I suspect this is what most such men do, and actually, I would advocate this for anyone in this category. Nevertheless, there are hebephiles who have no attraction to girls over 15! I’ve been on their forums. People post photos of 16 year old girls and the hebephiles start yelling, “Ew gross!…No grandmas!,” etc. It’s actually pretty hilarious. That doesn’t strike me as real normal behavior, but I’ll defer to the APA on this one.

I was just reading the hebephile forum for research interests, and there’s nothing illegal on there anyway. At any rate, going to those forums is no big deal. All open pedophile/hebephile forums are about half pedophile/hebephile haters cursing them and saying they’re going to prison and half pedophiles/and hebephiles. In other words, those forums have as many pedophile and hebephile haters as pedophiles and hebephiles.

For self-disclosure purposes, I’m actually a teleiophile. Teleiophiles are maximally attracted to mature females aged 16+. The vast majority of straight men are teleiophiles.

78% of men are teleiophiles, 19% are hebephiles, and 3% are pedophiles. It’s stunning how tens of millions of men in the US are so strongly attracted to very young girls! But perhaps it makes sense, right?

Everyone screams about men having sex with 13-15 year old girls and of course about men having sex with children under 13. Just reading around, there sure seem to be a lot of men engaging in this behavior. Perhaps a good explanation for why this sort of thing is so ubiquitous is that so many of us men have strong attractions to younger girls. Why do we do this all the time? Because young girls turn us on so much, that’s why! Seems like the best explanation for me.

I’m a teleiophile, although I’m also very attracted to 15 girls. As we go down from there, I start getting less interested, and it looks more and more like a “little girl” to me, and I’m not into that.

In particular, 13 and 14 year old girls have what I call “little girl faces,” or baby fat in their cheeks. I don’t like that. Among 15-17 year old girls, the more she looks and acts like a grown woman, the more attracted I am to her. The more she looks and acts like a kid, the less I’m attracted to her. I suspect that my desires are typical for teleiophilic men.

Given that 22% of my fellow men have preferential attractions to pretty young girls, I’m not going to get on the “pedophile”-hating bandwagon. To me this is a men’s rights issue. God or evolution has saddled us men with some pretty weird desires in terms of age. We men so afflicted cannot help feeling this way.

If we truly are going to “kill all pedophiles” as everyone recommends, we will have to kill 24 million men. I’m sorry, I’m not willing to condemn 24 million of my fine brothers to death just because a bunch of feminist screechers and moral hysterics demand it. I’m willing to let all these guys slide as long as they only remain thought criminals. If they molest little girls, they need to be incarcerated, as in many cases, the girls get harmed. Even where the girls are not harmed, I don’t wish to live in a society where men can molest little girls.

Since there is no evidence that a majority of girls are harmed over the long term by being molested, I have mostly an ethical, not psychological objection to child molestation. However, many are still harmed anyway, so I do in part have a psychological objection because you might hurt the girl.

About men have sex with 13 year old girls, I mostly don’t like it, not for any particular reason except I think it’s gross and weird and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

About men having sex with 14-17 year old girls, I don’t see the harm if it’s consensual, and I have no problem at all with it if it is legal, but US society doesn’t agree with me and regards this behavior as morally objectionable to the extreme.

Societies have a right to have whatever reasonable morals they wish. They are free to encode these morals into laws as they see fit. We must live in society. If you break these laws, you might be incarcerated. I don’t like to see my brothers behind bars. I’ve always recommended to all my male readers that they don’t break the statutory rape laws wherever they live because you might end up behind bars.

I also strongly recommend all my readers not molest little girls (under 13) because to me it’s simply immoral behavior. You can also hurt the girl and end up “behind gay bars” yourself for a really long time.

Everything factual I stated above has been proven by science and is straight up scientific fact. Yet if you say it, it’s such a hate fact that you will have a lynch mob at your door screaming “Pedophile!” in ten minutes.

As you can see, my views on adult-teen and adult-child sex are more than reasonable. It’s beyond me why these views have made me into such a pariah. I’m not advocating anything bad.

On a final note, I don’t completely agree with much of Bumface’s hebephilia defense below. Nevertheless, I concur with him that hebephilia is not pathological or even abnormal for that matter.

Hello, I’ve been reading some evo-psych and sexology, and I’ve come across some things I think are very wrong. I just want to explain what I think is wrong about these ideas. Most of what I say will probably just be ignored by people in the field, but I’ll say it anyway.

I’ve often seen it claimed in the Evo-Psych literature that the best females for men to go for in ancestral times were those in their late teens at peak reproductive value. Many people just nod their heads in agreement with this claim without knowing that this is not really how it works in the real world. In primitive foraging societies the girls are actually married off quite a bit younger than that. Most girls are married off by the time they’re 16, so focusing on girls after that age would obviously not have been the best strategy.

In order to stand a chance at monopolizing the females’ reproductive lifespans, the best females to go for are those just prior the onset of their fertility, not after it, and this is what we see happening in primitive foraging societies. The girls are usually married off, and the men start having sex with them a few years before they become fertile.

By getting a female slightly before the onset of her fertility, you can guarantee she hasn’t been impregnated by any other males and still has all her reproductive years ahead of her. The price you pay for doing that is that you’re going to have to wait several years before she starts giving you offspring, but it’s not a big problem.

I’ve seen some Evo-Psychs claim that women about 20 would have been the best for long-term relationships in ancestral times. Now, this is completely out of touch with reality. Girls in foraging societies usually start reproducing before they’re 20, so what these Evo-Psychs are saying is that the best females to go for would have been those that are already married off and up the duff by some other man in the tribe. Complete nonsense.

The best females to go for would have been those that weren’t yet married or starting to reproduce. The typical age of a girl’s first pregnancy in foraging societies is about the mid to late  teens, so men would do best by aiming for girls under that age. If focusing on 20 yr olds is such a winning strategy, then how come we don’t see men in foraging societies using it?

Instead, we see girls get married off much younger than that, and it’s certainly not 20 yr olds that sell for the highest price in bride markets. It’s usually girls much younger than that. In a recent study into child marriage in Tanzania, they found that girls about 13 were selling for over double the price of 20 yr olds. If these Evo-Psychs are going to keep on ignoring real-world data like this, then they can’t call themselves proper scientists.

In his paper arguing that hebephilic preferences are maladaptive, Blanchard claimed that taking on pubescent wives would not be a workable strategy since you’d have to wait a few years before they’d start reproducing, but this argument is just more nonsense that ignores real-world data. We know the strategy works fine because we see it working.

It’s common practice in foraging societies for men to marry girls several years before they reach reproductive age. The most common age is about 14, but that’s only the age they’re officially married. The relationship often begins several years before that.

Sure, the men have to wait a few years before they start getting offspring from their wives, but it isn’t much of a problem and is easily outweighed by the advantages of getting a female who is guaranteed to have all her fertile years ahead of her. If it was as big a problem as Blanchard claimed, then it wouldn’t have become common practice to marry girls that young.

12 yo girls in HG societies on average live into their 50s, so claims that your 12 yo wife may die before she starts giving you offspring are more nonsense. Sure, she might die, but the chances are she’ll live all the way to menopause and be able to give you plenty of offspring along the way. Again, real-world data is being ignored. Two other ridiculous claims in his hebephilia paper are first about the fact that pubescent girls in foraging societies are often closely guarded to protect them from sexual harassment and rape, and second about the reproductive statistics from the Pume tribe.

Blanchard mentioned that pubescent girls are often guarded by their male relatives and claimed that this is somehow evidence that being attracted to pubescent girls is abnormal. Wait, what? If they didn’t have to be guarded that would be evidence that the men aren’t interested in them. The fact they have to be closely guarded just goes to show how much the men want them.

When a girl in a primitive foraging society comes into puberty and sprouts some perky eye-catching boobs, she has now entered her most attractive time of life, and all the men notice. She’s now a perky little Lolita, a young maiden, her body is tight and fresh, her boobs are pert, and her face is young and cute.

She is now at the age she where she will suffer the most sexual harassment and is most likely to be sexually assaulted or abducted by raiders who want to keep her for themselves. That’s why she has to be closely guarded at that age. By the time she gets to about 20 and has started reproducing, she’s past her peak, the men lose a lot of interest in her, and she no longer has to be closely guarded.

Her boobs have started getting saggy from breast-feeding, she has stretch-marks on her stomach, pregnancy has made her fatter, and her face has lost its youthful freshness and sparkle.

The risk of sexual assault follows the same pattern in our societies. Girls are most likely to be victims of sex crimes between the onset of puberty and the beginning of adulthood. The males in our species are focusing on the females just prior the beginning of their reproductive lifespan when their long-term reproductive potential is at its highest.

We can see that rape and other sex crimes against females peak in the teenage years.

Another graphic.

A bunch of idiot fool women who don’t understand the reality of human male sexuality and that being attracted to girls from 12-17 is 100% normal in every sense of the word.

At the end of his paper Blanchard shows some reproductive statistics from the Pume tribe and thinks he has proof that hebephilia would be maladaptive. Basically, the statistics show that girls who start reproducing under 14 are reproductively less successful overall than those who start at 16+.

He thinks this means that men who commit themselves to girls under 14 would also be reproductively less successful than those who commit themselves to girls 16+. This just does not mathematically follow because the girls don’t start reproducing at the age that men commit themselves to them.

A man may marry a 12 yo girl and start having sex with her at that age, but she won’t typically get pregnant until several years later. If a man married an 8 yo girl, she obviously won’t start reproducing at that age, apart from maybe one time in ten million. You can’t presume that a girl would start reproducing at the age a man commits himself to her because that just isn’t what we observe to happen in the real world.

Men in primitive societies marry young girls, but they don’t start reproducing until a few years later. That’s the whole point of the strategy. In order to stand a chance at monopolizing a girl’s reproductive lifespan, you need to claim and commit yourself to her sometime before she reaches reproductive age. What those statistics are really telling us is that it’s a bad idea for girls to start reproducing in their pubescent years. If a girl starts reproducing at 12, she’ll leave behind fewer descendants than if she starts at 17.

It’s a bad idea to start reproducing at 12, and that’s why it rarely happens. Evolution has selected out a lot of the genes that cause girls to start reproducing at 12, though not completely because it does still happen sometimes. Selection happens on a gradient, it’s not just on or off. What makes Blanchard’s theory even more laughable is that the Pume are actually a good example of how adaptive hebephilic preferences can be.

The typical age of a girl’s first pregnancy in the Pume is about 15, so in order to stand a chance at monopolizing a girl’s reproductive lifespan, Pume men need to claim her before she’s 15. Which is exactly what happens. It’s common practice in this tribe for men to marry and knob girls about 12. Whoops.

I think being gay makes it difficult for Blanchard to understand normal male sexuality. One thing he doesn’t seem to understand is that straight men find cuteness sexy.

For example, Belle Delphine.

Belle Delphine

He seems to think that men should only find adult features sexy, but this is just wrong. There’s no law of evolution that says males must prefer the fully developed adult form. The only thing that ultimately matters in evolution is reproductive success.

If the males in a species can achieve greater reproductive success by going after the immature females, then they will evolve to do exactly that. This has happened to a degree in our species. It makes sense for men to go for females who are a bit immature and haven’t quite yet reached reproductive age because they still have all their reproductive years ahead of them.

The female physical features that men find the most attractive are often those that indicate a certain level of immaturity. The facial proportions men find most attractive are those of girls about 13-14. Men find soft, smooth, hairless skin highly attractive. The skin of adult women is usually a bit coarser and a bit hairy. Disproportionately long legs are highly attractive to men.

During puberty when a girl has her growth spurt, her legs grow faster than her torso, making her legs out of proportion with the rest of her body. It’s not until adulthood that the rest of her body catches up. The general petiteness and slimness men find highly attractive is not typical of adult women but is instead the physical proportions we’d expect to see in teenage schoolgirls.

The BMI men find most attractive, for instance, is the typical BMI of girls about 13. The female genitals men find most attractive are those that look a bit immature, with small inner labia and overall petiteness – the kind of genitals we’d expect to see in girls about 12-14. Men find pert boobs the most attractive. In primitive foraging societies the boobs of adult women have gone saggy due to breast-feeding. It’s only the young adolescent girls who haven’t had a baby yet that still have nice pert boobs.

This state of breast pertness men find highly attractive is naturally an immature feature, not adult feature. In modern societies women retain this immature pert state longer into adulthood due to having babies at a later age and wearing bras that push up their boobs making them look perkier.

The male preference for blonde hair may be another example. People’s hair is often blonde when they’re kids and then goes darker when they’re adult. In cartoons and CGI the female characters are made more attractive by making them look immature, while for the males it generally goes the other way. And, of course, the image of the schoolgirl is popular in the porn industry all around the world.

Popular female figures in fairy tales tend to be rather young.

Fairy tale men below.

As you can see, fairly tale men seem to be older than fairy tale women.

So when sexologists like Blanchard and company claim that men prefer fully developed adults, we can see that this is not true. That is what they want to be true, the way they think men should be. They think men should have preferences for fully developed adults 18+, but that is just not what the data shows or what biology predicts.

The most popular age for girls in the porn industry is 18, but that’s because they’re not allowed to go any lower. Obviously, what the market really wants is girls under 18. It’s like in that Chernobyl drama when the Geiger counter measures 3.6 Roentgens because that was the highest it would go to. The evidence is that if there were no legal restrictions, the most popular age for girls in the porn industry would be about 14.

A few years ago, the most popular porn genre was the barely legal stuff in which they’d use petite 18 yo girls with cute faces who looked about 14. They’d often dress up in school uniforms or role play as a young girl. This practice has since stopped because porn like that is now classed as child porn in most countries, but that’s what the market wants.

According to “experts” like Blanchard and Seto, a preference for girls that age is an abnormal evolutionarily maladaptive sexual disorder. They are clowns. They don’t understand the very basics of how the human mating system works. I think it’s only a matter of time before social attitudes change and some studios are granted a special license to produce porn in which the actresses have been made to look under 18 with machine learning.

Some country, probably in Europe, will decide to legalize this pseudo-CP in an effort to cut down on demand for the real stuff. It will have its own category on porn sites, and each video or photo will be electronically licensed to distinguish it from real CP. I predict that when this happens, it will become the most popular category on porn sites, and the most popular age will be about 14.

The most popular AI girlfriend in China is Xiaoice. She’s officially 18 years old, but she’s clearly modeled on a girl about 14. She has a cute face, a petite little body, and wears a school uniform. We can see what the market really wants.

Popular hentai figurine.

In this video she explains how she hopes to mature in the future, meaning that she’s immature at the moment.

Samsung getting in on it too. They’ve just brought out an immature-looking virtual assistant Sam.

Sam, Samsung’s young-looking female assistant.

This preference for immature females can’t be unique to our species. I imagine that in species in which the males try to monopolize the females’ reproductive lifespans, the males have a preference for the slightly immature females just prior the onset of their fertility. One example we see this in is Hamadryas baboons. They live in communities of several hundred out on the savanna.

Within these communities males keep small harems of females with their young. When the males enter maturity and are able to start building their harems, they become interested in the young immature virgin females and want to take possession of them. They often kidnap them from neighbouring communities.

What we see in Hamadryas baboons may be something like the way our Australopithicine ancestors used to live and mate out on the savanna. Over the past few million years of evolution through Homo Erectus and archaic humans, the harem size has gotten smaller and smaller, approaching monogamy.

But…but…don’t the highly scientific willy tests show that most men prefer fully developed adults? I don’t think we should take these primitive dick-meters too seriously. There are a ton of problems with them, the biggest of which is that the way people behave in the lab is not always the same as how they behave in the real world.

According to these dick-meters men find 30 yo women more attractive than teen schoolgirls, in complete contradiction with both real-world data and what biology predicts. Teen schoolgirls have double the number of reproductive years ahead of them than 30 yo women, so biology predicts they would be much more sought after, and this is exactly what we see in the real world.

The schoolgirl image is much more popular than the MILFs in the porn industry, teen girls are targeted for sexual assaults much more often than 30 yo women, young teen girls sell for a much higher price in bride markets, and in fairy tales and mythologies around the world, young teen maidens are the most highly prized, etc.

If these tests say that men find 30 yo women more attractive than teen schoolgirls, then we just can’t take them seriously. I think the sexologists who like to rely on them so much are suffering a bad case of physics envy. They like the idea that they can take some scientific measurements of men’s attractions and put them in a graph or equation like they’re doing Real Science. One day we’ll have the technology to do that, but these primitive dick-meters just aren’t it, and if they’re in conflict with real-world data, then we should go with the real-world data.

Menarche and Mammories

In a lot of primitive societies there are taboos against having sex with girls before menarche. A man may marry a young girl, but he isn’t supposed to consummate the marriage until she has her first period. People often take this to mean that this is the way nature intended things to work, as if menarche represented nature’s age of consent. When a girl has her first period, she has now supposedly become fertile and ready to have sex. A little bit of thinking will show that this just isn’t true.

There are no dramatic changes in a girl’s appearance of behaviour when she starts having periods. If a girl sprouted boobs and became interested in sex all of a sudden when she had her first period, we would have good reason to think girls have evolved to start mating just after menarche, but we see no such thing. One month before and one month after menarche girls look and behave the same. Minus the symbolic significance many cultures put on it, menarche is actually pretty uneventful.

Also, menarche doesn’t really mark the beginning of fertility. Girls don’t usually become able to conceive until 2-3 years after their first period. These rules against having sex with girls before menarche are really just as much social inventions as the age of consent in our societies. We have a rule that says “Don’t have sex with girls before age X,” and these primitive societies may have a rule that says “Don’t have sex with girls before menarche.” But is that how people actually behave?

I grew up in a working-class town just outside London in the UK. The AOC was 16, but it was common for men to have sex with girls younger than that. I knew two girls who lost their virginity at age 11 to men in their 20’s. Girls about age 13 would often have older boyfriends in their late teens or early 20’s. That’s what happened with my mum and dad.

I was always jealous of those Bigger Boys taking our girls, but when I was 20, I had a 13 yo girlfriend for a while, so it all balanced out in the end. When she was 15 she hooked up with her 35 yo uncle-in-law, and they’ve now been together for about 20 years and had 3 kids.

I knew a girl who loved older men, and when she was 12, she confided in me that she was screwing a 50 yo man who lived in the flats. I never saw him but I had no reason to doubt her. She also had a 23 yo boyfriend for a while when she was 12, and that was no secret. He was a friend of the family and used to come around her house to visit a lot.

So this is a little taste of reality. We may have this rule against having sex with girls under 16, but it happens anyway. The attitude we basically had was that if a girl had reached puberty and got the boobers, then she was ready. I think this is the way nature intended things to work, and we see the same kind of thing happening in primitive societies.

When Chagnon lived with the Yanomamo, he saw that when a girl got to about 12 and had some boobs, all the men noticed and she had to be guarded to protect her from sexual harassment and rape. The men weren’t supposed to have sex with girls that young because they usually hadn’t started their periods yet, but in reality they did. Most girls would start having sex with their husbands before menarche. In the Ache tribe researchers found that every single girl lost her virginity before menarche, usually with an adult man.

Out there in the jungle they may have some rule that you should only have sex with a girl when she has had her first period, but in reality probably most girls get screwed before that. Boobs are nature’s signal a girl is physically ready to have sex, not menarche. A girl reaches puberty, sprouts the boobs that signals she’s ready, and all the males notice and want to have have sex with her. This is how nature intended mating to work. It’s kind of obvious when you think about it.

Girls develop boobs a few years before they become fertile and able to conceive, but this is nothing strange. Soon after the onset of puberty, chimp females start getting sexual swellings on their bums that signal they’re ready to have sex, but they don’t become fertile until a few years after that. So we’re just following the same pattern we see in other animals. The females develop sexual characteristics and start having sex a bit before the onset of their fertility.

Porn: What’s Legal? What Illegal?

Note: I don’t really hate cops, but I’m not wild about them either. Now if a cop is, say, a detective working robbery or homicide, why should I have a beef with him? He’s catching robbers and killers. Why would I have an issue with that?

I don’t even mind dope cops anymore (although I used to hate narcs) as long as they aren’t busting pot. I have no problems with cops busting people for selling meth, crack cocaine, fentanyl, or heroin. That’s stuff’s garbage.

Now we get down to your ordinary street cop. Let’s look at my city. About half of the cops in my city are huge assholes, the biggest dicks on Earth. It’s like they’re always trying to pick a fight. Don’t like them one bit. But the other half are often pretty nice, and sometimes, they’re extremely nice to me.

But fed cops busting guys for buying whores or fucking 17 year old girls or kids sexting each other or adults possessing written stories or pictures of clothed humans that the cops don’t like? Get out. They’re pigs, plain and simple. Pests.

And the worst cops of all are feds.  Now if feds are only going after murderers as some FBI do, I have no problem with them. Or financial criminals or fraudsters.

But you don’t even want to be a subject of one of their investigations. Federal sentencing guidelines are batshit insane, far in excess of a reasonable sentence. They’re ridiculous! And if the feds want to get you, they will get you. They will dump all of your possessions on the  floor and go over them with a fine toothcomb. They will examine your whole life with a magnifying glass. And they will probably find that you are breaking some law somewhere somehow.

I imagine most of us are violating some stupid-ass law on a fairly regular basis. I know I do. I don’t feel good about myself unless I’m breaking at least one law. I feel like a great big pussy. Call it Permanent Bad Boy Syndrome. God forbid I should arrive at a time in my life when I’m no longer at least one dumbass law. I would probably look around like crazy to try to find a new idiot law to break. Who wants to be a goody-good or an altar boy? Screw that.

So if you see the word pigs below, I’m referring to sex cops. Cops butt out of our sex lives!

Butthead, a commenter, linked to a Youtube video. I clicked on it but it was already taken down.

RL: What was on the video?

Butthead: Bare schoolgirl boobage. She was brushing her hair in the bathroom and her towel “accidentally” slipped for a second.

Well, that’s legal. It’s not CP. Tits are legal on anyone of any age.

Nudity Is Not Necessarily Child Porn

So is nudity, honestly, but that does get a bit trickier. There are sites all over the Net of teenage girls, probably underage but who knows, taking nude selfies of themselves in front of mirrors. A lot of them are in Russia. They’re actually a bit hard to find but if you know what you are looking for, you can find them. I’ve seen them before but I don’t have a teenage girl fetish, so it’s not big deal to me, and I haven’t been back. Been there, done that. As long as they are just standing in front of a mirror or on the beach with their clothes off, it’s not child porn, because child porn is a lot worse than nudity.

There was a site where a lot of teenagers were camming all the time, teenage girls and boys both. Fairly regularly, one of the girls would take off some or all of her clothes. You could see over to the side the people camming and how many were watching. One cammer would suddenly go from five to 50 to 100 viewers, and if you went to look at the cam, sure enough, there’s some teenage girl with her top off.

I did watch one video like that. Two teenage girls aged 17 with their tops off. Problem was every time they opened up their mouths, they sounded like 10 year olds. All this retarded high school gossip. Total turnoff. I went once and never went back. Like I said, it’s not my fetish.

I’ve seen enough naked teenage girls in the flesh back in the day for 10 or 20 lifetimes. There’s nothing special. It just looks like the body of a woman, same thing.

I will never understand why everyone is so freaked out about the Goddamned naked body of a human being, whether it’s a teenager or a child, no matter. A naked human being isn’t necessarily sexual. It’s simply the way we were all born. This idea that some photos of naked human beings are some sort of evil pornography is completely insane. And not to mention, it’s wildly puritanical and prudish. It’s downright sex-hating and anti-sexual.

“Lascivious Display of the Genitalia”

As long as there is no “lascivious display of the genitalia,” everything’s fine. Child porn must involve “lascivious display of the genitalia.” There’s a lot of uncertainty about what that means, but usually it means she has her legs spread or she’s masturbating. Or it could simply be a photo or a video where the focus on the photographic material via zoom lens or whatever is the genitalia. That would be considered lascivious display. For a girl, it would be a focus on the vaginal area. For a boy it would be a focus on his penis, particularly if it is erect. It all depends on the focus of the photographic material.

“If She Has Clothes on, It’s Legal,” until It’s Not!

If she has clothes on, it was traditionally legal. The FBI was quoted as saying, “If she clothes on, it’s not child porn.” This seems reasonable to me. How on Earth could a photo of any human with their Goddamned clothes on be considered the most evil type of pornography? That’s wildly priggish and Victorian right there?

You see, any possible photographic material is legal (not child porn) until one day the fed pigs decide the change the rules and say it’s illegal! And they’re always changing the rules. It’s madness and you would think it’s out and out unconstitutional because you never know when you are breaking the law. A photo that is legal one day when the fed pigs are in a good mood all of a sudden becomes illegal the next day when the pigs automagically declare it to be illegal!

Erotic Stories

For instance, pedophilic stories have always been legal. They’re all over the Internet. I’ve read them for a few weeks decades ago before I decided this was one perversion I’d rather not explore, and I haven’t read one since. On the other hand, I don’t really read written erotica on the Net anymore.That was more of a phase I went through in my 40’s.

There was a large site called Mr. D.’s which dealt in pornographic stories. I’ve been on the site and there was a Hell of a lot of pedophilic material on there.

What was odd was that many of the authors were women! Grown women, often in their 30’s or 40’s, with a husband and kids! A lot of them had photographs and biographies on their author profile. I have no idea why those women were writing that stuff except that perhaps more people are interested in that kink than we think. Indeed, 18% of men and 7% of women report pedophilic sex fantasies, and many of them have masturbated to them. The vast majority of these people are not pedophiles.

Anyway, Mr. D.’s  had been sitting up there forever with all that pedophilic erotica and nobody did a thing about it. In fact, the top OCD experts on  the world out of Phillipson’s office back east were assigning those stories as homework for people who had OCD with the pedophile theme, which is an extremely common theme by the way. I know because I spoke to one of their clients.

Well, the other day, the fed pigs decided to change the law again! All of a sudden, written pedophilic erotica was illegal! Mr. D. was arrested in Florida, and his site was shut down. They were looking at throwing the book at him too.

So the fed pigs decided to change the law on the fly.

The Sad Saga of the Black Cat Scans

For instance, as I noted above, the rule always was, “If they have clothes on, it’s legal.” The men who ran Black Cat Scans and their photographer read the law and felt that they were within the law with their hebephilic photos of fully clothed young girls posing in some very erotic photos. All of a sudden out of the blue, the fed pigs decided that if they have clothes on, it could be illegal sometimes!

They arrested the two guys who ran the site, both Jews by the way, and they also arrested the photographer, who seemed like a really good man. They threw the book at all of them. None of these men were pedophilic or hebephilic. The Jews were just out to make a buck like they always are, and the photographer just liked to take pictures.

The arrest and sentencing of the photographer was particularly controversial. Most of the girl models were out of Russia, and they had all been brought in by their mothers. They were all adults by the time of the arrests, and they were all unrepentant about their modeling. There were 20-30 Youtube videos of former models and their mothers protesting  the  arrest of the photographer, saying that the girls were not harmed, that they did not regret what they did, and that the photographer was completely professional. It is important to note that none of the girls were molested in any way, shape or form. I believe the mothers were even present during the shooting.

Just to show you how absurd the law is, Black Cat scans had been visited by 25 million (!) men, and I assume a lot of them downloaded the pics. In order to enforce the law, the fed pigs would need to arrest and throw the book at 25 million guys! Good luck with that.

There are still some Black Cat scans floating around. What anyone sees in those photos is beyond me. I’ve seen them but I don’t like them because they seem creeptastic.

Art Photography

There are art photographers like David Hamilton who took many art photos of young teenage girls. You can find those all over the Net. They’re perfectly legal.

Nudist Photos

There are nudist photos all over the Net with humans of all ages, including plenty of teenagers and kids, strolling or sitting around naked in woods, beaches, and whatnot. It’s all perfectly legal. They don’t seem to be very popular so I imagine there isn’t much of a market for nudist pics.

Nude Beaches

It’s also perfectly legal for minors, including kids, to be stark naked at nude beaches, at least in the UK. Teenagers and kids get to walk around naked and look at naked adults and the adults are allowed to look at the kids. Anyone can look at anyone all they want.

I knew a 29 year old woman recently who often took her two daughters, ages 9 and 13, to nude beaches. She was always bugging me to go with them, but I never did. She also often made perverted comments about her girls, which seemed weird to me. She actually asked me to move in with her the second or third time I talked to her, but she was pretty far away, plus she was kind of fat. But she was cute.

Medical Text Photos

Medical texts often have nudity, including closeups of genitalia. All legal.

The Problem of Having an Internet Flooded with Photos of Nude Minors

Be that as it may, a lot of hosts want nothing to do with any photos of naked underage teen girls or kids, so sites with this material, even nudist sites, are few and far between.

I’d like to keep it like this.

Could you see if people started posting this stuff all over the Net and all these porn sites sprang up with nude underage teenagers and worse, kids?

That might flood the whole Internet porn industry pretty quickly. I don’t know what do do about that, as it would make me uncomfortable to see all this sites out there with naked underage teenagers and kids. Also, it would cause a tsunami of outrage, and there would be all these calls to ban the stuff.

Sexting

By the way, a lot of that sexting those teenagers are outrageously getting arrested for is probably legal. It the girls and boys are simply sending each other nudes with no lascivious display of the genitalia, it should be perfectly legal. So it’s not illegal for teenagers to send nudes to each other or at least it shouldn’t be, but who knows how the pigs enforce the crazy laws in their area.

The problem here is that most of them are probably not sending legal photos. Have you ever gotten nudes from a woman on the Net? Hell, they send them out before the first date these days! More women than I can count have sent me nudes over the Net. They were mostly 18-23. I have a whole huge folder of them. Unfortunately, you almost never get to meet them. They just send nudes and maybe talk dirty and then take off.

Well, if you have ever gotten nudes from a woman, first of all, there is typically a focus on the breasts and there is absolutely a focus on the genitalia. Often it is simply a photo of her breasts alone or her genitals alone, usually a huge closeup of the latter. Yep, women focus that camera right on those parts of their body. Women are such perverts!

And men, well, what are the complaints that women make about men when men send nudes? Men don’t send nudes. They send dick pics! So many selfies that men send women tend to focus on the male genitalia or it’s simply a photo of their penis.

So probably most of teen sexting involves sending each other pics with lascivious display of the genitalia, and yes, that would be CP.

But we have to think about this in some other way. It’s insane to bust teenagers for sending nudes to each other. It’s madness. But what can we do about it? I say we let them do send the real thing to each other – lascivious display of genitalia, photos of them having sex, whatever, but they can’t put it up on the Internet.

The Ever-Mutating Rationale for Making the “Child Porn Du Jour” Illegal

The rationale for making child porn illegal – that the child is harmed merely by having their photos floating around for everyone to see – doesn’t seem to apply here. These teens sexting each other – are they being harmed by sending those dirty pics to each other. Generally speaking, no! Ok, so what’s the new rationale for making this stuff illegal. The pigs have to go back to the drawing board and say the old rationale for illegal CP doesn’t apply here and somehow some new rationale applies. But what exactly would the new rationale be?

You see what they are doing?

First they make a reasonable case for making child pornography illegal. It is a document of a very serious crime of child molesting in most cases. But that alone does not seem a good argument because there are videos out there of criminals murdering their victims live on video. Perfectly legal. So photographic depictions of crimes is apparently completely legal.

The other better argument is that the kid did not consent to being molested, and the kid is being harmed merely by having pornographic photos of them floating around. I actually agree with this, though the rationale du jour “the child is harmed every time someone downloads one of their photos” seems ridiculous in a philosophical sense. How exactly does that work. So a girl’s photo gets downloaded 1,000 times. Does she  suffer 1,000X harm? What if it was downloaded once? Does she suffer 1X harm? How in God’s name does the victim know how many times their photo gets downloaded? Does the crime go out in some metaphysical space and zap over to the kid’s head and ring up another download in their brain, harming them ever so slightly more with each download? Of course not. But that is what this asinine article implies.

In the case above, did the girl whose photo was downloaded 1,000 times really suffer 1,000 times the harm of the girl whose photo was downloaded once? That seems bizarre. What if the girl doesn’t even know her stuff is out there on the Net. Theoretically, she suffers absolutely zero harm unless and until she discovers that her photo is out there. What she doesn’t know can’t hurt her, right?

Riffing off the argument above that the child is harmed every time their photo is downloaded, is the girl really harmed ever so slightly more with each subsequent download? Why would she? She has no idea how often the pic’s being saved.

This argument sounds convincing at first until you realize it’s garbage. But for kids who know their photos are out there or for adults who know pics of themselves are out there, I agree that they are being harmed, assuming they don’t want them to be there. But what if they are perfectly happy to have their child porn on the Net? Are they still being harmed with each and every new download? Of course not.

This argument is full of holes, but it does work in a number of cases.

I would make another much better argument that society is harmed by this stuff too. Even if it’s on the Dark Net where hardly anyone but the worst pedophiles is looking at it, I still think society is being harmed. Even if someone has the photos taken by themselves on their computer and has never shown them to anyone else? Yes, I would argue that society is still being harmed. We simply cannot allow photographic documentation of children being molested, willingly or not, floating around in society. I do not wish to live in a society where this garbage is legal. It’s disgusting and outrageous that it even exists at all. Kids shouldn’t be molested and we should not take photos of kids getting molested. Because we don’t wish to live in a society where we allow this sort of perverse and revolting garbage occur or exist.

The Anti-CP Argument Mutates Again

But notice how that definition alone isn’t good enough? What about in the case of the Black Cat Scans? The girls were not harmed and in fact they are quite happy to have these erotic pics of themselves floating around. So the argument that the girls are harmed is garbage. Are the Black Cat scans photos of a crime? I certainly hope not. I certainly hope it’s not illegal to take photographs of clothed pubescents in dirty poses.

So on what grounds is it illegal? Who knows? Notice how they have to keep going back to the drawing board and inventing new and weirder and weirder reasons for extending the crime beyond what was intended? Perhaps it is harmful to society to let this stuff float around willy-nilly. That’s a tough argument because even I find that stuff repulsive, but I don’t think stuff really harms society. But I don’t want the Net flooded with it either. If it only exists in a very secretive niche websites, I don’t have a problem with it.

And the Argument Mutates Again!

Pigs wouldn’t be pigs if they only had one mutating argument for making something questionable illegal. The reason they’re pigs is because the arguments for the illegality of this or that keep changing, seemingly with the wind. With each new unannounced expansion of the law, new justifications for the material’s illegal must be invented. The fact that people have to wrack their minds to come up with some argument, any argument, for making something illegal implies to me that it probably shouldn’t be illegal. Crimes ought to be justifiable on their face. It’s illegal to take another’s life without cause. It’s illegal to break into other’s homes. It’s illegal to see dangerous drugs that cause death and destruction. It’s illegal to drive drunk and possibly lethally endanger other people’s lives and limbs. It’s illegal to steal other people’s stuff.

With each of those crimes, did we have to wrack our brains forever to come up with some BS reason for the law to exist? Of course not. In general, all of those things are illegal because the person or possessions of another is harmed to taken from them. In other cases, innocent people are being subjected to unreasonable harm to life and limb due to the irresponsibility of others. Sensible laws are about hurting, harming, or killing other persons, relieving them of their possessions, or unreasonably threatening their lives and bodily health.

So we see that the child porn argument mutates yet again!

What about in the case of Mr. D.’s erotica? This is even crazier. The Black Cat scans at least dealt with real humans. With written erotica we are not even dealing with that. We are dealing with people who literally don’t even exist. The fictional characters apparently being harmed in these stories aren’t real! So how could they be harmed? There’s just a bunch of words. No humans, no photos, just words. Any girls get harmed? Nope, there were no girls to harm! A written depiction of a crime with fake fictional characters? I assume you can write stories about committing disgusting crimes all you want to. It’s a pretty weird thing to do, and I worry about people who do that, but it would seem to legal under freedom of speech.

Is society harmed by allowing pedophilic written erotica to exist? I doubt it. Who even knows that those stories even exist on the Net? 1% of the population? Who reads them? Less than that. I would argue that society is not harmed by a bunch of silly words that no one reads.

The Teenage Girl Sex Panic and the Law Bullshit

As you can see, in Matt Gaetz’ case, the whole case is completely fake. The guy literally did nothing wrong. Furthermore, he lacked mens rea, or a guilty mind, so he’s innocent on that basis alone.

He committed the crime of buying a teen whore, except she lied about her age, and told everyone she was 19 when she was really 17. Actually it looks more like 17 1/2 now that I’m looking into it. By the way, she’s still whoring away. Once a whore always a whore. As soon as Gaetz and friends found out, they got furious at her and ended all contact.

Buying a Whore Means You are a “Sex Trafficker”

At 17, in most states she would be legal, but even there, if you pay her, you just committed “sex trafficking.” Yeah, if you buy a whore, you’re a “sex trafficker.” What a bunch of crap. Because the state, in the midst of an idiot moral panic, decided that all teenage prostitution is “sex trafficking.”

Not just the pimps. Indeed, one can make an argument that most pimps are sex traffickers.

Sex trafficking was supposed to mean women who were sex slaves and forced to prostitute themselves and were not able to escape. This is literally the case with most pimps, though most whores are quite willing to whore themselves out. But most pimps won’t let them leave.

So anytime you see an hysterical headline about “sex trafficking,” it just means whores and pimps, which is like, most whores. Whores have had pimps forever. So there’s nothing new going on here, just the same old same old.

But now all teen prostitutes are supposedly being “sex trafficked” too because that’s how they wrote the stupid law in 2012. Even if they’re doing it on their own, which I assume many are. In that case, apparently they are trafficking themselves! See how none of this shit makes sense?

And now if you’re unlucky enough to buy the services some teen whore is freely offering you, instead of just buying a teen whore, you’re a “sex trafficker”! Yep buying whores is “sex trafficking”! Isn’t that stupid? I would say if you want to make a crime out of it, calling it “Purchasing an Underage Prostitute.” It shouldn’t be much of a crime really, but at least the law would make sense.

In many US states, you can freely fuck all the 16 and 17 year old girls you want, but as soon as you hand her a dollar bill (or I guess a penny) for her services, you broke the law! You’re now a “sex trafficker.” Isn’t that stupid? And you go on the idiot Sex Offender List as a “sex trafficker.”

Also, don’t take a picture of her. You can have sex with all the girls you want as above, just don’t take pictures of any of them. Because if you do, you “manufactured and possessed child pornography.” You know, when we made the kiddie porn laws, I don’t think this is what we were thinking of. And you go on the Sex Offender List as a child pornographer.

Kids are getting busted all over the country for manufacturing, distributing and possessing child pornography when they do their sexting. I don’t have the solution to teen sexting but this insanity doesn’t seem to be it.

By the way, those lists are getting really stupid. There are now 3 million people, almost all men, on these stupid lists. Anyone feel any safer? Somehow I think when we came up with the idea for these lists we didn’t imagine putting 3 million Goddamned men on the list!

By the way, if you commit statutory rape, you go on the idiot list too.

And most states have Sex Offender laws that make it almost impossible for sex offenders to live anywhere except maybe under a bridge. Which is exactly where most of them end up living. I’m sure that’s going to rehabilitate them real good and I’m sure they won’t be more likely to commit new offenses! The worse you treat these guys, the more the offend. Well, that’s the case with child molesters anyway and even with non-offending pedophiles.

These Sex Offender Lists and laws have gone completely out of control. I don’t know what to do about this either, but this ain’t it.

Effects of Child Molestation on Victims and Motivations of Perpetrators in Different Types of Molestation Are Still Largely Unknown

Jason: The human mind is tricky. We don’t know what really harms someone. I do think verbal abuse does, but so much of that is people who have it coming.

I think child sexual abuse is very bad because it breaks trust with kids. I think what really is going on is that the guy doing it is someone they don’t like. It’s kind of like when men are cowards and women despise and henpeck them.

Nonetheless, I am not advocating legal child exploitation of any form. I mean, even if the guy is a trusting guy there are certainly limits of what he should be able to do to the child – JUST BECAUSE.

I hate to say this. I think some people who molest kids really love them. And nobody believes this but most pedophiles truly do love kids. Some don’t and are harmful to them, but if you spend any time studying pedophiles as I have, including reading on their forums, you will see that a lot of them absolutely adore children, especially the girl lovers.

Many say that they would be happy just hugging and cuddling with little girls. I suppose if they just kept it to that, I’m trying to figure out how it might be harmful, but there’s always the risk that they might escalate.

I’m not so deep into this insane New Prudery to think that adults hugging and cuddling with kids, especially if it is a parent figure, is going to harm them somehow.

I have heard of two cases of molestation in the family where both parents molested and had sex with the kids, and I did think these parents loved their kids. The kids went along with it and seemed to love it too. I’ve heard about a family where the uncles and cousins molested and had sex with the girls, and the girls seem to be into this too.

These are called Loving Families, and believe it or not, I have now met three different women who were members of these weird things called Loving Families.

Two were 18 years old.

One was 18 years old, the oldest of three sisters. The parents had  molested her and were currently molesting or having sex with all of her sisters. The parents started them at age 5. The girls also had sex with the fathers’ friends. I talked to this woman from a far off land for a little while until she send me some highly illegal material (you can guess what it was).

I blocked her immediately but I didn’t report her to the website. I’m softhearted and she was very kind and sweet to me, so why ruin her life? She lived thousands of miles away, and everyone seemed to be having a good time, no matter how weird it was.

Quite some time ago, I talked to an 18 year old girl from Pennsylvania who was part of one of these families where the uncles and male cousins molested the girls. She had two sisters, one 9 and one 14. I think they started her at age 8. I didn’t turn her in. Everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves.

Thing is when they start them early like that and make it a family affair, I hate to say it but the girls seem to enjoy it. Perhaps they wrap everyone in to a secrecy pact. You tell the police and your Mom and Dad and maybe your sisters, cousins, and uncles go to prison for the rest of their lives. Who wants to do that to their own family?

I met another one, a 24 year old woman. Her mother and father had molested and had sex with her since, yep, age 5. She continued to have sex with the stepfather. She was the one who introduced me to the phrase Loving Families. I didn’t turn her in either. She seemed to have enjoyed this and didn’t seem to be harmed by it.

I have no idea what to do about this extreme weirdness. I don’t want to live in a society where most kids grow up in crazy families like this. I don’t want it to be the norm where most kids get molested. But the kids in these families do not seem to be being harmed, and even as adults, they carry on. This whole thing is beyond my paygrade, I’m afraid. I’m also wondering how common this weird stuff is.

I haven’t any idea about molestation outside the family. I know two women who got molested by pedophiles. Both were 50 years old and had completely gotten over it and perhaps had been over it for a very long time. They had a “so what” attitude about it. They told me that the pedophiles were pleasant enough. It wasn’t an act of hatred, contempt, cruelty, or evil. Perhaps many are tender and kind to the kids. But that doesn’t make it an ok thing to do!

You see, pedophiles actually think that what they do with kids is good for the kids. It’s not true in most cases, but this is probably what they have to believe to continue to have this orientation. Anyway, it is part of the “package” that comes along with pedophilia – the notion that little kids are not harmed by sex with adults.

I can’t think of any reason we adults should be molesting the little children. It’s always going to go on, so we should try to lessen the harm of it in any way we can. I can’t see how it could be a good idea to let adults do this to kids legally though. This behavior would explode. I don’t care whether the kids get harmed or not. I simply don’t want to live in a world where getting molested is a normal part of children’s growing up processes.

I think a lot of the family stuff with the fathers molesting the girls is pretty abusive, and the girls don’t seem to be into it, but it’s not true in all cases.

I knew a woman who was molested by an older teenage brother starting at age 5. She didn’t seem to be harmed by it, and she was very apologetic and protective towards him. He’s now a relatively famous millionaire real estate developer with his own mansion and private helicopter, and he appears in the society pages regularly. And he’s virtually a child molester!

I know a woman, aged 56, who was molested by her father and most definitely was not happy about it. She was still angry about it many decades later.

I met another women who had been molested by her father starting at age 5, believe it or not. And she claimed to have completely enjoyed it.

I met a woman from an African country whose boyfriend was her father. They had been together since age 11, and she was 23 now. She was working as a prostitute. Apparently she was very much in love with her father.

It’s obvious that there are girls who get molested and somehow or other enjoy it and they continue to feel this way far into adulthood. It’s a toxic issue and obviously it can’t be discussed. It might be nice to do some research to see how common this reaction is though.

Probably because I hang out on porn blogs and in porn chatrooms, I’ve met a number of women who had positive experiences with this sort of thing, but maybe my sample is biased because of where I meet these women. It’s not uncommon at all for women who have porn blogs to say they enjoyed being molested. Some have even turned them into a theme for their blogs. The theme is “I was molested and I liked it.” The porn posts tend to be a lot of older man very young woman stuff, and the men are often decades older. They often have captions labeling the older men as fathers and the young women as daughters, so there’s an incest tie-in.

You certainly hear about a lot of girls getting harmed by Daddy or Uncle molesting them, but I simply haven’t met many of them.  I’d love to talk to some to get another perspective. If you know any women who had this reaction and want to talk about it, send them my way, please.

In a lot of these cases, the father or other men molesting the little girls are not pedophiles, and the molestation seems to be part of a larger pattern of abuse, verbal, psychological, physical, and then the sexual gets tossed in too.

There was a very famous child porn case in the last couple of decades involving a bodybuilder father who had custody of his little girl who made videos of him having sex with her. The father said that he and the daughter were “having a love affair.”

I know what was in the movies, but for God’s sake, I’m not going to tell you, and Hell no, I haven’t watched them. I can’t even remember the names of the videos. They are all named after the girl who was in them and they are quite famous.

I did watch a perfectly G-rated clip from one of those movies. It shows the girl sitting in a chair for 5 minutes or so. She may be answering questions. Actually that clip really disturbed me because she was so little, and you knew what was going to happen later. She’s very young in the tape, maybe 9-11  years old, and that’s most what makes the tape so shocking and upsetting.

The girl became very famous because the movies got distributed all over the world. Supposedly 5 million people watched them. In the videos people said you that could see that this girl really did love her father. Well, she probably did love her father. At the time.

Later on this girl got teased all through junior high and high school about being a world-famous child porn star, and it got to her after a while. As a woman she changed her mind and decided that she had been molested after all, and that it was not cool. She developed the typical post-molestation symptoms of guilt, shame, confusion, etc.

She sued 1,5oo men who downloaded her videos for everything they had. She took one man for millions. People on the Net were criticizing her for being out for money and claimed that she was obviously enjoying the sex with her father at the time. Sure she was, but she wasn’t enjoying it later on, and the “later on” is the important part. I’m not particularly troubled that she took these guys for a lot of money.  She did get harmed after all.

Actually this “change of mind followed by psychological harm in adulthood” happens all the time with this sort of thing, especially with teenage girls.

A Good Deed Never Goes Unpunished

Greg Rambo: Has Highbrow ever taken on the subject of Scientology? They seem to think that whatever you accuse them of, that means you’re guilty of the accusation yourself.

I don’t know much about it.I would like to look into it. I have a book on it and I dipped into it, but you know me. I’m reading like 200 books at any given time probably.

I’m running into this “What you accuse other people of, that’s what you are.” It’s really upsetting to me.

I stumbled across a child porn pic the other day on Queera I mean Quora of all places.

Ok, the pic was this little girl on a bed. Who knows, maybe she’s five years old? Bare-ass naked. Not necessarily a big deal. Humans are animals and when we take off our clothes, we are naked. That’s called our natural state. There’s nothing obscene or evil about some kid with their clothes off. It’s a perfectly natural state for a young human being to be in. Not evil at all. You think it’s evil every time some kid takes their clothes off to take a bath or a shower? What’s in God’s name is wrong with you?

Anyway, she’s on all fours. With her ass to the camera. Peering over her shoulder and looking at the camera. And, yeah, her legs are spread a bit. So it was pretty gross and it hit me like a kick in the stomach. That pic is illegal because it is probably posed, somewhat uncomfortable, pretty unnatural, an unlikely position for her to have gotten into on her own, and, yeah, involves lascivious display of the genitalia. Dost test. Bingo. Illegal as all Hell.

Below that he had two posts which are instructive for showing us how these guys really think.

The first post is a fantasy of his that I doubt took place. He describes graphically how when he was 12 years old, he had sex with his eight year old sister. It was pretty explicit and I could reprint that here legally, but I won’t because it’s gross. Most 12 year old boys have not reached semenarche yet, so I doubt if the story is true. More likely a fantasy. Then he says something about how he wants to do this to an eight year old girl right now. This is typical thinking for these guys.

Next was a comment about how lots of men want to have sex with teenage girls (no shit), and then he adds that lots of men even want to have sex with pre-pubertal little girls (probably not a whole lot, but also probably way more than you want to think). He then added that a lot of little girls are horny as Hell, get very wet, and are dying to have sex with adults. If you spend any time around these guys, you hear this over and over. Fantasies about wanting a little girl to come onto them. Endless testimonies about how little girls are horny as Hell and come onto men all the time.

I got so mad that I called up the hotline and reported the sonofabitch. No good deed goes unpunished. My brother heard about and called up my Mom and told her, “Bob looks at child porn.” My Mom was and is absolutely hysterical about this. “Don’t go to those websites!” Except Queera is a just a regular website like Facebook. Is Facebook a child porn site? Queera doesn’t even allow real porn or even erotica.

Some sick fuck pedophile (the real kind) put that pic on his profile along with two other completely pro-pedophilia (the real kind) posts. I’m sure that all of my enemies who read this are going to run around shouting that Lindsay admitted that he looks at child porn.

Look what happens when you try to do the right thing. You run across some sick shit on the Net, so, like a good citizen, you report it to the authorities. The fact that you did this makes you a proven pedophile and a consumer of child porn.

I swear every day I hate people a little bit more than the day before.

Alt Left: What’s CP and What’s Child Erotica or Harmless Material?: Legal Dilemmas of Child Pornography Law

There’s legal or softcore child porn (CP) and illegal or hardcore CP. Most people are idiots and don’t know the difference, including this fool who reported a bunch of perfectly legal sites.

Bottom line is creepy pictures of little girls don’t cut it. There’s plenty of that out there. It’s hard to describe but it’s pretty little girls often in some rather skimpy clothes. They are often posing seductively and sometimes they have their tongue hanging out of the side of their mouth. Gross, huh? Sure, but it’s all completely legal.

If they have their clothes on, it’s pretty much legal. Nevertheless, there have been some recent very bad rulings that found that even pics of clothed little girls could be CP. These rulings were very bad because just looking at the rulings, it would be very hard to say exactly what is legal and what is illegal.

Even nudes of little girls are often legal if they look natural enough. It’s disturbing but it’s quite legal. There are nudist sites all over the Net with pics of kids, teenagers, and adults bare-ass naked.  All completely legal.

To be illegal it has to appear posed, unnatural, uncomfortable, a position the child was unlikely to get into on their own, and most importantly, must display lascivious display of the genitalia. This is called the Dost Test. The Dost Test has never even been litigated all the way to the Supreme Court, so we don’t have any idea how constitutional it is. It resulted from a case in California that laid out exactly what CP had to contain in order to be illegal and not simply child erotica, which is 100% legal.

That’s for children’s pics with no sex involved. Once you get sex involved, it’s a whole new ballgame, and any photos of kids having sex, either with themselves (masturbation photos are illegal), each other, or with adults, are absolutely illegal. They can’t even be posed with an adult looking like they are about ready to have sex. I could describe pics like that I saw and reported, but I don’t want to gross you out.

CP cartoons (including manga and hentai) and 3D are mostly legal. In some places like Germany they are illegal. In other places like Japan they are completely legal. In the US, it’s mixed. Apparently it’s illegal to create them but it’s not illegal to possess them, as if that makes sense. The clothed models have been a mess ever since the terrible Black Cat Scans case. In that case, the men who created the website went to prison, but the 25 million who went to the site and downloaded the pics got off scot free.

It’s generally considered a miscarriage of justice, especially because when those men, who happened to be of a certain (((type))), made that site, they checked out the law and figured that the site was completely legal. And it was. But after the site had been up a few years, the government decided absolutely criminally to try to redefine CP to include the Black Cat Scans which had previously been excluded. So those guys got blindsided. It’s as if spitting on the sidewalk has always been legal. So you spit on the sidewalk from time to time.

One day the Feds decide to reinterpret some vague law called “Antisocial Behavior” to include “Spitting on the Sidewalk,” although that act had never been included before. So you get taken to court and the Feds make the case that under their new interpretation of the Antisocial Behavior law, they now include Spitting on the Sidewalk, though it was always legal before. They try the case and some hack judge convicts you for a crime you weren’t even aware was illegal.

Bottom line is you can possess all the clothed model pics you want to (But why would you want to?) but I guess you can’t make websites putting them up there and charging people to see them. I guess.

Clothed models are usually little girls around pubertal age (11-13) dressed up in some pretty dirty clothes (like lingerie) and posed in some pretty dirty positions (guess). They’re creepy as all get out, but it’s not CP. Most of the girls were from impoverished families in rural Russia. In every case, their mothers got them involved in the modeling.

A number of the girls got followed up and by 18-20, almost all of them had married the local rural Russian thug and already had at least one kid. Some were single Moms already. There was an uproar when the men went to prison. 20-40 former models all made videos testifying to the fact that they were not harmed at all by this modeling and how well the photographer had treated them.

The photographer had treated all of the girls and their mothers very well and there had been no sexual behavior at all between him and the girls. The girls and their mothers were all very fond of him. The videos are still sitting up on Youtube if you are interested. It’s a pretty sorry case all around.

Central to weird CP theory is that CP is the portrayal of a crime and hence is illegitimate. Except shooting clothed model pics isn’t a crime, so strike that one out.

Next is the argument that the girls are harmed by being photographed even if there is no sex involved. This applies to pics of girls alone nude and posed in various ways. Merely by getting posed that way and  having  photos taken and certainly if they know the photos are on the Net for anyone to see is enough to cause harm. That’s an interesting argument.

But for the clothed models, the photographs were basically legal, the girls were clothed, and no girl was harmed by getting pics taken of her.

Where’s the crime?

Next we see how CP law keeps creeping upward and upward to encompass more and more things.

No crime? No matter. Girls not harmed at all and quite willing? No matter.

Because a brand new idea has been thrown out. The concept of a record of a crime and harm to the girls is dead because now we have new reasons!

The new reasons say that “CP” is bad even if there is no crime, no girls were harmed because the material is being used by pedophiles to masturbate to. Which I guess is evil or something. This is how they roped in the cartoons and the 3D stuff. No crime of course. And no harm of course. Hell, there are not even any real humans to be victims of a crime or to be harmed! The things being victimized by crime and harmed are pictures, drawings,  and 3D graphics. They’re not even real people! They’re completely fake!

But now they’re illegal too because they turn pedophiles on. That seems a dubious reason to make something illegal.

How bout if a man takes photos of boys walking to and from school?

How about a man who orders a video of little girls during majorette exercizes?

And how about if these men are pedophiles who use these perfectly harmless photographs to masturbate to pedo fantasies? So what? What’s wrong with that? But, guess what? Feds (FBI jerkoffs) have arrested men for possessing photos they took of boys walking to school and for ordering videos of girls doing majorette exercizes.

Because pedos were using them to jerk off. That misinterpretation of the law seems very wrong, sorry. That’s absurd. Also, you are arresting men for thought crimes. After all, the photos and videos are only illegal because of the thoughts that go through these men’s heads when they look at them.

Ridiculous. If I look at those same videos (not sure why I would but anyway) I would most certainly not experience sexual fantasies about either the girls or the boys. So I get to possess this material because it doesn’t turn me on (because I don’t have illegal thoughts), whereas these pedos go to prison for possessing the same material, apparently because they have illegal thoughts while looking at the material.

Back to the female who got solo photos of her taken as a child. What if the female is not aware that her pics are out there? People are looking at them and she hasn’t a clue? How is this automagically harming her? Osmosis? Via another dimension? Some psychic mechanism. Clue me. She’s not being harmed by the people looking at her pics.

Another argument is that even if the female is not aware her pics are out there, the mere memory of her having those pics taken as a girl is going to continue to harm her, assuming she even remembers such things. That’s a better argument,  but that harm is going to take place whether the pics went up in flames and are gone or whether they are in 10,000 places on the Net, right?

Als,o believe it or not, I met a woman who was molested and later had statutory rape committed against her by her uncle and his friends from ages 12-17. They took videos of the whole thing. She has reconciled herself to what was originally a trauma by deciding that this was fun and it turns her on.

She’s actually looking for the videos now, which seems a bit dangerous. Well, there’s one woman who had pics taken at age 12 and doesn’t care. Furthermore, she presents an interesting case. Yes, the videos portray a crime. Sure, she was legal from 16-17 so all this sex was legal at that point. But shooting videos of it wasn’t. She was still underage and although she can consent to sex, she can’t consent to making porn, which is probably a good idea.

We need an 18 to do porn law because as soon as we start lowering that number, the Net will be flooded with the newly legal girls. Now you can do porn at 17? Fine. Except in a week the damned Internet will be flooded with “17 year old girls doing hardcore porn!!!” Because pornographers have no basement on sleazy. They’ll go as low as you let them. I don’t particularly care about teenagers making this stuff consensually and people looking at it at home. But keep it off the damned Internet!

But the girl was going along with it quite happily, so one wonders what the big deal is. Further, the girl is not being “revictimized” by this videos being out there because by her own admission, she likes these videos.

I don’t know what to say. Considering her age, most of those videos could well be floating around anyway. After all, hardcore with 14-17 year old girls is said to be everywhere on the Net,  mostly unlabeled.  No one seems to care much. But the early stuff is creepy. I don’t want videos of grown men having sex with 12-13 year old girls legally floating around on the Net. I don’t care if she likes them. I don’t care if she didn’t get hurt and isn’t getting hurt by them. I just don’t want that crap out there on the Net. Maybe if you keep it your drive to yourself, it might be ok. But I don’t want that garbage floating around legally.

What about the case of creep shots and surreptitiously taken photos of little girls and teenage girls. That stuff’s out there too. In this case, the female doesn’t even know anyone took pics of her. Furthermore, she probably doesn’t even know if her pics are floating around. It’s really hard to make a case that she got harmed at all by some creep using a hidden camera. Sure it’s an invasion of privacy but the person doesn’t even know their privacy got invaded, so what of it? I guess it probably ought to be legal but I’ll be the first to say the pics are creepy and uncool.

Alt Left: The Amount of Pedophilia, Child Molesting, and Child Porn Trading on the Internet Is Almost Too Vast to Even Contemplate

That doesn’t even get to the teenage girl bullshit. Screw that. We need to do triage. De-emphasize the teenage girl bullshit and go after the actual predatory pedophiles, child molesters and child porn traders who are doing something vastly worse than men fucking Jailbaits (JB’s).

The Net is flooded with teenage girls (14-17) trying to have cybersex and trade pics with grown men. They have come to me many times trying to do that and send me pics. I’m not keeping those pics on my drive.

On Tumblr, once I somehow stumbled down a CP-ish rabbithole. A lot was profoundly disturbing and I ended up reporting a lot of it to Tumblr.

Most of it was “borderline content,” which is legal. If she has clothes on and she’s not having sex, it’s legal. So they dress these little girls up in lewd outfits and put them in dirtiest poses. These are called “clothed models.” The Blackcat scans come to mind. Only  25 million men all over the world downloaded that stuff. Why don’t you go get them, FBI, you petty pests? It should be simple for you feds to arrest 25 million people, right? Don’t you fed clowns ever think maybe there’s some times you should just give it up? Like 25 million people commit some harmless crime, so you don’t bother arresting even one of them? That’s what sane people do.

There were also a lot of comics, drawings, stories, and 3D posts. It’s legal because it’s fictional. They push the boundaries on all this stuff, and it is extremely disturbing.

There were also a lot of self-shot teenage girl JB photos and videos. I didn’t care about that, and for most you could make a case that she could be 18.

There was a video of a 13 year old girl masturbating on cam for some boys. She looked and sounded pretty damn young and she probably could not have been 18. It had 373,000 likes or comments. There were probably millions of people who viewed the video.

I watched it but I really didn’t like it. She was too much of a little girl. It seemed pedo and creeped me out. I thought about reporting it, saw the 373,000 likes and decided not to. See how dumb these laws are? Hey FBI, why don’t you go arrest those millions of men who watched that video. I mean you’d only have to arrest millions of men. Should be simple, right, you trivial fussbudgets.

The pages were often run by pedophiles but there seemed to be some pages run by non-pedophilic molesters.

There were countless “pedo Mom” posts – women being or wanting to be a pedo Mom and pedophile looking for pedo Moms. A pedo Mom has little kids, probably little girls, and for a good amount of money, she lets the pedophile have access to them, maybe by moving him in. Almost all men looking for such an arrangement would probably be true pedophiles. Non-pedophilic molesters are not as driven and would not go to these extreme ends.

There were endless posts by pedophiles giving handles on some very secure platform that is the new child pornography trading platform. Most people trading CP are probably pedophiles but some may be non-pedophilic molesters. I had some pretty normal seeming people send me CP unasked for on the Net before. Some were very goodlooking young men with hot girlfriends. And there they are, sending me some pic of a 9 year old girl with a man’s cock up her ass.

I was pic trading with this guy and I remember when that pic came in. As soon as it came in, I almost immediately flung backwards in my chair so hard I almost got whiplash. And I could not delete that thing from my screen fast enough. It was only up there a second or two. It also left me a bit traumatized afterwards.

It’s hard to describe my reaction to the pic. “Fucked up” and “wrong” is probably the best way to describe it. Like something that’s not supposed to be there. Ever seen those kid’s puzzles where they ask, “Find the objects that do not fit in this picture and you find things unicorns up in a trees and elephants hiding in some rock? That’s what that pic reminded me of.

I thought, “That’s not supposed to be there.” I guess I meant 9 year old girls with men’s cocks up their asses is something that is not supposed to exist in this world. It’s out of place. It belongs somewhere else, on some other planet or galaxy or universe. In this world we inhabit such things are so strange they are almost incomprehensible. We almost cannot even formulate the idea in our minds to imagine that such a thing might be here. It’s “that which cannot be comprehended and that which cannot even begin to be comprehended.” Like the God of the Jewish Kabbalists.

Many of these  pedophiles, child molesters and pic traders people were deep into methamphetamine use and Satanism, which were both strongly associated with CP and child molesting. Once again we find the association of child molesting and pedophilia with Satanism. But why?

I reported 40-50 CP violations because I know what’s legal and what isn’t, anything that looked under 13. There was some really fucked up stuff on there. I’m not even going to tell you what it was because it was so disturbing.

I left the pedo Mom stuff, CP hawkers, and teenage girls alone. You gotta triage in this world and I’m not a cop.

I was stunned at how many people were in on this. Probably no one is investigating the pedo Mom people or the men sharing CP. And that’s not even getting to the people downloading or viewing CP and the girls posting their cam videos. Everyone posing the hazy borderline stuff is obviously being left alone.

There are easily a million+ people in the US deep into CP or molesting kids. I came away thinking that police and FBI must be swamped by all of this CP/molesting. There’s no way that the cops could even begin to deal with it. They’d have to work 24-7 and quit everything else, and within a year, they would have 100,000’s of men behind bars.

It was very sobering. I don’t think anyone realizes how huge this problem is or that most of these people seem to be getting away with it.

The Madeline McCann Disappearance Has Apparently Been Solved

The German police has a suspect in custody, who is already in prison on the related crime of rape, who they are quite sure if the kidnapper of Madeline McCann. Furthermore, they are quite certain that Madeline is dead. This man is a pedophile, a misophile to be exact. He also had relationships with women and he raped a 72 year old woman. This may be a case of a nonpreferential pedophile. They are not common but sometimes they exist. Some pedophiles can have sex with adult women just fine. It’s just that it’s not their preference. Their preference is for little girls. Their attraction to women may by up to 70% of maximum or more.

This man lived in Portugal for some time and was living there at the time that Medeline disppeared.

And as I said, he’s guilty all right. On one of his properties they found a lot of videos of various things, including some of his crimes. The videos apparently show him molesting and possibly torturing and murdering little girls. They obviously show him doing that to least one murder of a little girl. That girl must be Madeline.

The German police say that they are sure that Madeline is dead, and they think he’s their guy. He probably kept her alive for a while, raped her, and tortured her because that was his fantasy from an Internet record of a conversation he had with another pedo about his fantasies. And after that he seems to have killed her. They also have an idea of where he might have disposed of the body at a campground 20 miles away. It’s being searched right now.

In more incriminating evidence, his phone was traced to right outside the McCann hotel right around the time she disappeared.

They have found the destroyed remains of his home in Portugal where he probably killed her. It’s 1/2 mile away from the hotel. A news team showed the ruins on video.

Around the time Madeline disappeared, he broke into a 72 year old woman’s house, bound her, beat her, and raped her over hours. He was arrested for this crime and this is the crime he is in prison for. This lady lives 1/2 mile away from the McCann’s hotel.

The Germans have witnesses of a drunken confession of murdering Madeline this man made one evening while drinking with a group of men. He was a suspect very early on, and on the first TV show about the murder, his name was turned in. On the next TV show, his name was turned in again by a different person.

The way I read it is that Madeline is on this guy’s tapes. She’s probably alive on some of the material. He probably videotaped the rape, torture, and murder of this girl, possibly over days. Obviously he killed her and the homicide itself is no doubt on one of those videos. And probably photos of her body in which she’s obviously dead (But how do they determine that?).

He’s guilty. He did it. He’s the guy.

Not only that but he appears to be guilty in the disappearance of an 8 year old girl in Germany. He was living right by where she disappeared. I think he abducted, tortured, and raped her over a period of time before killing her.

He killed at least two little girls and maybe more. When they found a van he lived in, they found several little girls’ bathing suits in the van.

Men with Tiny Penises Are Often Not Happy Campers

Polar Bear: A lot of men take pride in their junk. Our joystick brings us so much joy. I’ve brought it up with guys at work, and they were proud of the way their dicks worded.

Have you ever talked to a man with a tiny dick, like a micropenis or something of that nature?

I knew a woman who had sex with a guy with a micropenis.

And I was doing free counseling for a while with a gay man who had a micropenis. He was also an absolute, 100% pedophile. He had never offended though and he was a very good person.

He was so worried that he might offend and “hurt a kid,” as he put it, that he was threatening to cut his dick off. The whole therapy of the guy was to keep him from cutting his cock off. That’s how good of a person he was. He was literally going to chop his dick off to protect kids from the possibility that he might molest them.

He did use child porn of some sort though, and that was why he was terrified of going to an actual clinician. He thought he was going to get turned in. I didn’t turn him in for possessing child porn. I’m not a cop.

His tiny dick was just one of the things he was depressed about. Men with tiny dicks are often not happy campers.

I believe eventually he went on some sort of sex-drive killing drugs, once again to protect kids from his possible actions.

Does Satanic Ritual Abuse Exist or Not?

After I noted that Tumblr pedo blogs were full of Satanism (and extreme drug abuse, mostly meth smoking), a commenter wonders if I am implying that Satanic Ritual Abuse is an actual thing. Because the consensus in social science is that there is no such thing as Satanic Ritual Abuse. Not so fast there. We might be a little quick on the draw here.

Pantheist: I mean are you really suggesting that SRA exists and not some urban legend?

I have no idea. All I know is that a on those Tumblr pedo blogs a lot of these “trysexuals” who were into CP and liked the idea of molesting kids were also gung-ho about Satanism. I’m not sure if the actual pedophiles were off into Satanism too. I don’t exactly recall.

I have been on anti-pedophile forums where they uncover and pedophiles unmask for all to see, and I don’t recall much if any Satanism on there. If anything, most pedos seen to think they are very good people who are doing God’s work by fucking kids. I’m not sure why pedophiles would be inclined towards Satanism. Most pedophiles just want to fuck kids because they’re wired up that way, and they can’t help it.They don’t want to fuck kids because they get off on being evil.

The trysexual non-pedophilic child molesters are presumably into child molesting and child porn simply because they are evil people who embrace evil, and hey, let’s face it, child porn and molesting kids is pretty damned evil in most people’s view.

Ever heard of the Franklin Scandal? And there were similar ones with very high-ranking British political and business figures. And other cases with high-ranking Dutch political and business figures.

They were molesting kids, often little boys or teenage boys, and there was a lot of devil worship and Satanism thrown in. Kids were badly beaten, tortured, and there are accusations that kids were even killed. There have been quite a few stories like this and the Franklin Scandal is well-supported. There have even been court cases about it.

But in the Franklin case and some of the other scandals, some of the big molesters and rapists of preteen and teenage boys were definitely pedophiles or had a young age preference. Especially the Black businessman at the center of the whole mess. They definitely preferred them young all right.

But they were also into other evil stuff besides fucking little boys and teenage boys. The men in that scandal really liked to hurt and torture the minors they were abusing. And there are reports that some of the boys were murdered…for kicks.

As commenter Polar Bear notes, sex with a young boy, torture/beating sex with a young boy, and most of all, ritual murder of a young boy generates the most powerful type of sex. There were references in the Franklin Scandal cases to some of abusers trying to generate sex magic by abusing, fucking and even killing boys.

There were also accusations of men trying to generate sex magic by fucking, beating, torturing and killing boys in the British and Dutch cases. In both countries there were accusations that boys were murdered by these very powerful men.

Read up on sex magic or sex magick if you want more. As usual, Aleister Crowley is a good place to start. I have no idea if there is anything to this sex magic stuff, whether it really generates any sort of energy or powers. I suppose it’s possible, but I don’t have any evidence one way or the other and this stuff is all beyond me anyway.

Really most anyone who is into any sort of evil stuff is often into Satanism. People, even or especially bad people, know what’s good and what’s evil. Bad people and people into evil are not usually deluded into thinking they are good people. They know they are bad. So they often choose to embrace evil and be Satanists.

I am not sure if the tie-in I observed on those blogs between child molesters, child porn and Satanism is the same thing as ritual Satanic sexual abuse. Maybe they’re just Satanists who happen to molest kids. But we shouldn’t be surprised that people who into stuff that is widely regarded as evil might be Satanists.

On the other hand, maybe this is something to look into. Maybe I should go talk to some of these Satanic ritual abuse researchers.

The Pete Townsend Child Porn Case and the Phenomenon of Adults Molested as Children Seeking out Child Porn to Watch

Greg Rambo: Since you’re on the subject of CP/pedos, whatever happened with the legal case against Pete Townsend of The Who for accessing child porno? The only reason I ask is because I understand he and Roger Daltrey are about to go out on another Who tour, but I don’t know if they have any U.S. dates planned.

The last time they tried to come here a few years ago and do a Super Bowl halftime gig, there were all kinds of protests to keep Townsend out of this country. Not that people are lined up to see a couple of 74, 75 year old guys get up on stage, but I thought the concert promoters would shun him due to his charges in England of accessing child porno online.

I’m not sure but I think Pete Townsend was pretty much innocent. I believe got molested himself as a kid and that’s why he was looking this stuff up.

Actually a fair number of people looking at CP on the web are females who were molested as girls, and due to that being done to them, go looking for CP of other girls getting that done to them. These women have no interest in molesting children. I have no idea what they are doing. Perhaps they are reliving their trauma in some way or another and perhaps Townsend was doing the same thing. I am certain that Pete Townsend is not a pedophile.

I remember there was a very famous CP case, probably the most famous series of CP videos ever made, of a girl’s father who made CP of him having sex with the daughter when she was quite young (9-13?).

Of course I haven’t seen any of these videos, but I have seen a minute or two of the clean part of one of them where she is sitting in a chair with all her clothes on fidgeting, and then introduces herself. She’s 9 years old and even though there’s no CP in the clip I saw, it still freaked the living Hell out of me because she’s such a young girl.

There’s nothing wrong with watching nonsexual parts of CP clips. You can go to the FBI site and watch clips of CP videos where nothing sexual is happening. They want to see if you recognize the girl or the man or man’s voice in the video. It’s still creepy though because the girls are so young that it freaks you out. In one that I saw, you can only hear the guy’s voice, and that combined with such a young girl on the screen has a very creepy effect.

I believe they estimate that 4-5 million people have watched at least one of those famous videos. Do you see what I am talking about when I say that LE is swamped by this stuff? Suppose LE went on a goose chase to hunt down 4-5 million mostly men who watched those videos?

They don’t have the resources or time to hunt down even 10% or probably even 1% of those guys. The prison and jail population would double or triple. That’s what I mean when I say they have triage this stuff and only go after the worst.

If anyone remembers the girl’s name, tell me in the comments. Those videos were famous all over the world.

I’ve never seen the videos, but I have been told that the girl is clearly enjoying it, and it’s also clear that she deeply loves her father and vice versa. I told you the morality of this stuff is complicated, right? In fact there are quite a few people out there who think there is nothing wrong with these videos as they simply show a girl and her father showing their deep love for each other. I don’t think that’s a good argument.

However, child porn star became an adult and had a change of heart and decided that she got molested and that this was not ok at all. Anyway she became very angry about what was done to her considering that lots of copies of this video were floating around the Net.

A lot of people had nicknamed her the child porn star and teased or made fun of her about this. This wasn’t exactly the sort of fame she wanted to have in life. She decided to file a lawsuit against some  men who had downloaded her videos. Along with her investigators, she found many men who had downloaded these videos. I don’t believe police were involved.

Out of this large number, they selected out the 1,500 wealthiest and sued them for everything they had under “deep pockets” legal doctrine. And she won. I believe she got $1.5 million out of one man. I thought it was a bit ridiculous, but my Mom vociferously defended the lawsuit and had no sympathy for the guy. No one went to jail. It was a civil case.

So one reason you might not want to download real CP onto your drive is that the girl might grow up to be a woman and she might sue you for everything you’ve got for saving the video she was in to your drive. Something to think about.

There are discussions of these videos on the Net among people who have seen it. At one time I read a number of these discussions. Most of the people discussing the videos were young men, and few of them seemed to be actual pedos. Mostly they just seemed to be curiosity seekers or men driven by the lure of the forbidden.

But I was surprised at how many women who had been molested as girls had watched these very famous CP videos. There were quite a women like this on the threads making  thoughtful comments about the videos. I have no idea why women who got molested as girls go look at CP. Perhaps as with Townsend above, they are reliving their trauma and see this is as somehow therapeutic.

So not everyone looking at CP is a bad person. A lot of them are, but not all of them.

Tumblr Pedo Blogs – CP, Pedo Moms, Loving Families, Meth Smoking, and Satanism

In response to this post here, Jason is worrying his silly little head about nothing. If you will look below, you will see that there are hundreds of thousands of people on the Net leaving obvious trails and doing things that are far worse than we are doing here. Anyway, it’s obvious that we don’t like child molesters or CP here, so why would anyone be suspicious of our conversations? You all don’t realize how out and open these types are.

Don’t be paranoid about these posts, please. I went on Tumblr blogs and found hundreds to thousands of people more or less openly admitting that they distributed CP and downloaded it to their drives.

Not to mention that I found 50-100 out and out pedo blogs. I mean whoever made that blog had to be a pedo because that’s what all the content was. I don’t mean the content was illegal. It was mostly cartoon CP, CGI CP, CP drawings, CP stories, and clothed little girls wearing some pretty skimpy clothing. The first four are absolutely legal. The last is more up in the air, but if they have their clothes on, it’s probably legal.

There were literally hundreds of people more or less openly posting that they distributed and downloaded CP. They were using a Kik-type program. Kik was popular because it was so anonymous. I believe that the Kik servers were not recording people’s IP’s deliberately.

Anyway, this was some new Kik-type program that was even more anonymous than Kik, and all of the pedos were headed over to this new program. They were giving out their handles on this new program and saying, “Lots of great pics to trade. Look me up!” They didn’t say it was CP, but they were posting on pedo threads, so that could be assumed. Most of the people distributing the CP were men.

I probably found ~100 of either pedos looking for a “pedo Mom” or Moms with little kids posting that either they were pedo Moms or they wanted to become pedo Moms. The pedos and the pedo Moms were interacting on the threads. A pedo Mom is a mother, probably single, who will allow a pedo to molest her kid, generally for money. The Moms probably get in on it for the money and maybe for the thrill. The motivation for the pedos is obvious.

All of those looking for pedo Moms were men, and I got the distinct feeling that they were all pedophiles. I don’t think any of the pedo Moms were pedophiles because female pedophiles barely exist, but I think some of them were off into meth smoking and/or Satanism.

They were just sick women with low morals. It’s generally acknowledged that a lot of men are sick fucks, and it’s true, a lot of us are. But what people don’t realize is that quite a few women are sick fucks too – more than you would ever imagine.

There was also a tremendous amount of Satanism and celebration of evil on these pedo blogs. A very large proportion of these pedo, molester, or CP types were open Devil worshipers. They delighted in worshipping evil. I suppose even they realize that this pedo, molesting, and CP stuff is seriously evil, so if they are going to get into it, they are going to embrace evil in order to slake their perverted desires.

There was also an incredible amount of drug use going on and celebration of such. A very large proportion of these pedo types were into smoking meth. Smoking meth is pretty evil too, so I suppose that was part of the Satanism. So they were celebrating and worshipping evil while being way deep into meth smoking and pedo/CP stuff.

With a lot of these people, especially the meth smokers and Satanists, they did not even seem to be pedophiles. Many said that they had never seen CP before and wanted to see it, or they had never had sex with a kid before and wanted to try it. These people were just trysexuals. They’ll do anything sexual.

A lot of them were probably bisexual, into group sex, threeways, gangbangs, making their own porn, BD/SM, watersports – I mean you name it, they were probably into it, and the more sick,  fucked up, and perverted the sex was, the more they liked it.

To them, sex with a kid and CP was just another fucked up, perverted kink that they wanted to try – quite possibly sickest, most fucked up kink of them all, which of course is part of the attraction. These are people who have embraced evil and are into being evil. So they are looking around for evil things to do because that’s what they are into – being evil and doing evil stuff.

I’m not really into talking about the Devil, but Jason is religious and talks about Devil worship and Satanism a lot. It might be interesting to see what a Christian says about all this pedo – meth smoking – Satanism behavior.

There Must Be Millions of Pedos and Pedo Offenders on the Internet

Question 7 – We are discussing what many consider an inappropriate topic, the kind that sets off bells and whistles among the SJW moral crusaders.

We may not actively endorse CP but are suspects simply due to the huge interest we have on this topic.

From a legal standpoint, are we potential pedophile suspects?

YES or NO

No, not at all. Anyway, looking at this conversation, it’s obvious that no one here is an actual pedophile or even has an inordinate interest in sex with minors.

Just on Tumblr pages alone I saw so much blatant and open pedo-type stuff as discussed below that it blew my mind.

I saw people openly claiming to be pedophiles, screaming that they distribute and collect CP, blatantly looking for Moms with little kids that they can molest, etc. I saw an awful lot of weirdo Moms with little kids out there wanting to be “pedo Moms” and hook up with a pedo and let him molest their kid, probably for money.

There were couples who openly stated that they were a “loving family” and were looking for others. That means that they had some kids and the mother and father were having sex with the kids – that’s what a loving family is. There was a woman who said she caught her husband molesting her 5 year old daughter and at first she was mad, but then she started doing it too.

None of the many people posting said anything about being investigated, much less arrested, based on their Net posting. They were all just getting away with it. All of those people had known Tumblr handles, and it would not have been difficult to get warrants to investigate them based on what they posted, but I guess LE has better things to do.

If the cops wanted to even investigate those people, they could be looking at hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of cases. If you go on to accessing CP, you are looking at hundreds of thousands or millions of suspects. I was stunned at how much of this pedo bullshit there was out there. It made me realize that there’s no way that cops can go after all these people. You would have to launch an investigation into each one.

You can’t arrest someone for posting on the Net that they collect or distribute CP, that they want to be a pedo Mom, that they are a pedo, that they want to get with a pedo Mom, that they have a loving family or that they are currently molesting their kids. I think you would need more evidence than just someone shooting off their mouths. The person could always say they were talking crap, lying, or fantasizing.

A confession doesn’t mean much. People make false confessions all the time. I could confess right now that I am a serial killer who has killed 20 people, raped 50 women, mugged 75 people, held up 100 liquor stores, and have been selling heroin and meth for the last 15 years. I could even make up names of the victims, dates and locations when the crimes happened, etc. I could even describe the crimes in detail.

Of course I have never done any of these things, but that doesn’t stop me from confessing  to crimes I have never done. See why confessions aren’t necessarily worth a hill of beans?

Obviously the cops have to completely triage this whole mess and only go after the worst offenders. If they went after everyone breaking the pedo laws, I believe they would not have enough manpower, they would never sleep, and the jails, prisons, and courts would be flooded. There are too many people breaking the pedo laws. They can even only arrest maybe 5-10% of them.

So as you can see, with hundreds of thousands or even millions of pedo offenders, child molesters, and CP distributors, collectors and accessers out there, a bunch of obviously normal guys with no pedo interests at all (us on this blog) talking about how not to stumble on this bullshit or download it out of curiosity is pretty much a zero on the cops’ Pedo-Meter.

On the weird Tumblr pages alone there seemed to be thousands, tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of pedo types or people breaking CP laws. I almost fell out of my chair when I grasped the extent of this bullshit.

Have You Ever Accessed CP Knowingly or Unknowingly? Take the CP Test Today!

SHI: OK, so just to clarify things one last time. You know I really must dot the i’s and cross the t’s, otherwise I can’t ease my mind. A very simple question really. Simply answer whether I am guilty or not guilty of CP in the following situations. OK?

A) I I stumble upon the nude pics of a 12-year old girl on an Internet browser/mobile app. But, it does not display her vagina. I do not immediately close the browser.

GUILTY — NOT GUILTY

B) Same thing as above but I save the pic on my computer/phone. Not due to pornographic intent but only because I feel it’s “cute”.

GUILTY — NOT GUILTY

C) I stumble upon the nude pics of a 12-year old girl but it displays her vagina. I immediately shut down the browser and erase all my cookies.

GUILTY — NOT GUILTY

D) Same as above. But, I look at the pics with keen interest and even save it on my PC/mobile.

GUILTY — NOT GUILTY

E) I accidentally see the pic of a 12-year old boy flashing his penis. Maybe I save the pic on my computer because it’s funny. Reminds me of my own 12-year old self.

GUILTY — NOT GUILTY

F) I accidentally see the nude pic of a 7-year old girl along with her vagina. But, I have no negative intention. I’d treat her like it’s my daughter. It is just a child after all. I save the pic on my computer.

GUILTY — NOT GUILTY

Correct answers only, please. To clarify, I’m not a pedophile. These are hypothetical questions. I strongly believe that children below 16 years should not be disturbed or accosted by adults. They should be left alone to enjoy their childhoods.

The question is at what point does one draw the line?

If you’re turned on by teenage girls, you’re not a pedophile anyway.  There’s only one word for men who are turned on by teenage girls: normal! If you are a man and teenage girls don’t turn you on, there’s two possibilities: You’re either gay or you’re dead.

All these living men who claim that teenage girls don’t turn them on and that all men turned on by teenage girls are pedophiles are simply faggots! They’re gay.  They’re homosexuals. They put men’s cocks in their mouths and suck on them until the cocks spurt cum down their fag throats. They take men’s hard cocks up their anuses until they ejaculate.

I mean you can argue if a man who does that is a man, but I don’t think any man who sucks on penises and lets penises penetrate his anus is not much of a man. Not any man I would want to know anyway! Real men don’t suck cocks! Real men don’t take cock up the ass! I mean is that point even open for debate?

Even if little girls turn you on, you’re not abnormal. 90% of adult men are aroused by preteen girls. 24% of all men are aroused by preteen girls as much as they are aroused by mature females.

In  other words, 24% of all men score “pedophilic” in the lab. Do you understand now why I don’t care if some guy gets turned on by little girls? I mean if that’s the case, he’s almost normal.

So if you are a man, I don’t really care if little girls turn you on. I am a lot more interested if little girls turn you on and mature females do not: that means you are a pedophile.  There’s no shame in being a biological pedophile, but I think it is cause for concern in a sense because I think you are at risk of committing a sex crime.

Keep in mind that I have done actual counseling with pedophilic men who had no attraction to mature adults and were only attracted to minors. I  liked both of them a lot, and I thought they were great people. Neither had offended. One man was so wracked with guilt that he was going  to cut his penis off in order not put kids at risk – that’s how deeply wrong he felt messing with kids was. He kept saying over and over, “I cannot hurt a kid…”

People have the wrong idea about pedophiles. However, I do think that all actual pedophiles should be in some sort of therapy designed to keep them from offending. Either that or put them all on an island where everyone is over 18. Why is that such a bad idea? I really like that idea.

I will go over  your hypothetical  scenarios:

A) I I stumble upon the nude pics of a 12-year old girl on an Internet browser/mobile app. But, it does not display her vagina. I do not immediately close the browser.

GUILTY — NOT GUILTY

Not guilty. There’s no CP.

B) Same thing as above but I save the pic on my computer/phone. Not due to pornographic intent but only because I feel it’s “cute”.

GUILTY — NOT GUILTY

Same thing. There’s no CP.

C) I stumble upon the nude pics of a 12-year old girl but it displays her vagina. I immediately shut down the browser and erase all my cookies.

GUILTY — NOT GUILTY’

You stumbled upon it so you’re not guilty.

D) Same as above. But, I look at the pics with keen interest and even save it on my PC/mobile.

GUILTY — NOT GUILTY

Unfortunately, let’s put it this way: you now have CP on your drive. I seriously request that you get that crap off your drive right now.

E) I accidentally see the pic of a 12-year old boy flashing his penis. Maybe I save the pic on my computer because it’s funny. Reminds me of my own 12-year old self.

GUILTY — NOT GUILTY

I don’t know if that’s illegal or not. If it was put up there as CP, then it might be illegal. If it’s put up there for some other reason, probably not. But I don’t know much about CP with males because I’m not into males. I only like females. Hell with males ha ha.

F) I accidentally see the nude pic of a 7-year old girl along with her vagina. But, I have no negative intention. I’d treat her like it’s my daughter. It is just a child after all. I save the pic on my computer.

GUILTY — NOT GUILTY

Yeah, you now have CP on your drive. I don’t care if you saved it because it reminds you of your daughter. Get it off your drive right now.

Alt Left: The Case of the Blackcat Scans: Material Is Legal until the Cops Decide It’s Not Legal

RL: A naked 7 year old girl standing in the woods is legal. She has to be posed in some erotic position for it to be illegal.

Jason: Never trust the law cause it’s vague. Even the laws making adult porn legal are vague. If you’re in a Bible Belt or semi-Bible Belt state, it could be a scary ordeal. So the best rule of thumb is to avoid cops like Jews avoiding the SS.

Case in point: I’ve read people put in jail over anime of all things. That stuff and the toon CP are not real, but the laws are so vague and in some countries (Canada, Australia) that  matter is explicitly illegal.

Anime CP and cartoon CP? No one’s ever gone down on that in the US. Where did you hear about people going down on that? Did they go down on it in some other country? However, the US has gone after some of the artists who draw the toon CP, which I think is totally messed up. The FBI says toon CP is legal, no one will go after you for accessing or even possessing toon CP, but the guys who draw CP go to prison. WTF?

Jason is correct. The CP laws are insanely vague. Supposedly there are guidelines and some stuff is pretty much legal, other stuff is definitely illegal, and apparently there is material in between, whatever the Hell that means. As I pointed out, a 7 year old naked girl standing on a beach with her naked family has long been said to be perfectly legal. She has to be posed erotically, typically with “lascivious display of the genitalia” as the law puts it, for a photo like that to be CP.

Nevertheless, pigs have gone after parents for taking nude pics of their little 2-3 year old kids romping in the bathtub. You got that right. There were attempts to prosecute these parents. The  parents had sent the photos to a photo developer to be developed, and some moralfag employee at the developing business had noticed the photos and called the cops like an idiot.

The pigs were moralfags too for even going after these poor parents in the first place. I believe all of the parents were eventually let off, but they were put through a lot of Hell before their names were cleared. I believe their names were even published in the paper.

The CP laws are insane. Stuff is perfectly legal until the day it’s not.

The Blackcat scans were a “clothed model” series of very young girls, maybe 11-12 years old, posing fully clothed but wearing very dirty outfits and posed in extremely erotic poses.

I have seen a lot of those scans, and I really don’t like them. I find them disturbing and upsetting for some reason. They feel creepy to me.

Those are children – little girls – and I don’t like the idea of sexualizing children and little girls. Little girls don’t even have a sex drive.

I know this is controversial, but I am certain that it is true. No children have actual sex drives in the way that grown men and women do. Pedophiles insist that children have raging sex drives and are dying to have sex with the pedos, but to me this is just a huge pedo lie.

I did some research to look into this. By the way, this research was very hard to do as the topic of child sexuality – even the fact that it apparently does not exist – is so completely verboten and stigmatized that almost no one writes about it.  ]

If you are interested, the actual female sex drive comes out ~4-5 months before menarche, which nowadays is 13 years old. At least that was my conclusion. So the onset of the female sex drive in the USA right now is 13. You wonder why your 13 year old daughter is boy-crazy. Well, there ya go.

Teenage girls? Fine. They’re already sexualized. Just look at them. They’re sexualized on account of merely existing in the manner that they do. Plus most of them have raging sex drives nowadays, and a majority of even young teenage girls are are masturbating like maniacs. This seems to be a new thing. I don’t remember girls or even women in my generation being like this. Is this the early sexualization that everyone talks about? What’s up with that? Is it all the online porn?

I realize that the Blackcat girls are very pretty, but to me an 11-12 year old girl, no matter how beautiful she is, is simply not a sexual object. She’s beautiful in the way that a waterfall or rainbow is beautiful. Ever wanted to fuck a rainbow? See what I mean?

The girls in the Blackcat scans were all gotten into doing the sessions by their Moms. Both the Moms and the girls were impoverished, typically from rural Russia.

The men who did the Blackcat scans had researched the law very carefully, and at the time they started their business, all indications were that this stuff was perfectly legal. It was borderline CP – sure – but lots of stuff is borderline CP. There’s  borderline CP all over the Net – big deal.

Even the FBI said it was legal. The FBI said, “They’ve got their clothes on, so it’s legal.” Makes sense, right?

That was the known guideline, so the webpage owner went up and set up his Blackcat website, and the photographer took all the Blackcat photos on the basis that LE had said they were legal. Then one day some pigs woke up on the wrong side of the bed and decided the Blackcat scans were not legal after all. Instead some pigs in Florida decided to interpret the law in such a way that it was actually illegal! Even though the FBI said it was legal!

Florida courts went after the guy who ran the webpage (he was a Jew of course – duh!) and the photographer, and both were put in prison. There had been millions of men visiting that site and downloading that stuff, so millions of men had Blackcat stuff on their drives, but not a thing was done to any of them.

The girls were 100% willing. No girl was harmed. After the photographer went to prison, all of the former girl models, now grown women, raised an uproar, saying that they were not harmed by the shoots, and they were very happy that they did them. The Moms all joined in and reiterated the points the daughters had made. All of the former girl models and their Moms had nothing but good things to say about the photographer.

I guess he was not creepy, and he was doing the whole thing respectfully and by the book. I believe he went to great lengths to make sure that both the girls and their Moms were 100% ok with the shoots. The former girl models made Youtube videos about how outraged they were that the photographer went down. At one time there were ~20 Youtube videos from different women, all former child models, decrying the photographer’s conviction.

15 Years Ago, a Friend of Mine Went Looking for CP on the Net – This Is His Report

Stuff like Bang Bros etc.. Shady looking sites should be avoided even if they have good adult-aged stuff. Could be a trap, but I guess most don’t run into stuff.

Haha. I guess I look at shady-looking porn pages all the time, except I don’t even know what that even is.

There aren’t any obvious porn pages on the web with real deal little girl CP (under age 13).

There used to be pages like that out there, but they were extremely hard to find. You really had to go looking for them.

15 years ago a friend of mine is not a pedo (but watch the moralfags call him one anyway) went searching for CP on the Net. He was just curious about CP. Wanted to see what all the fuss is about. Actually I have heard that a high percentage of people on some poorly hidden CP pages are just curiosity seekers wondering what all the fuss is about. A lot of people are also driven by the appeal of the forbidden. Not everyone on a CP page is a pedophile!

He told me he had to bang away at a search engine for two weeks until he found real CP. A lot of it was on Yahoo groups explicitly set up for that purpose. They would pop up like mushrooms, get 8,000 members in a few days, and then disappear. And then a new one would pop up with a new name and the same thing would happen all over again. It was wack-a-mole.

He even talked to a guy running one of the Yahoo group page. He was Bulgarian Organized Crime. The guy said, “Here everything is illegal and everything is illegal.” The guy was absolutely not a pedo in any way. He was just a criminal.

Back in the days when CP was legal (yep it was in the 1970’s) it was all being sold by Organized Crime. Mostly a (((certain type of people))) by the way. Yep, (((they))) had a monopoly on CP in the 1970’s. A lot of them were (((Orthodox))), too.

He also talked to a few guys who were visiting the page. They were often terrified, and most of them just seemed to be curiosity-seekers seeing what all the fuss was about or in search of the forbidden. He said none of them seemed to be actual pedos.

As far as the actual content, he said it was weird but not necessarily extremely disturbing. You have a photo of a gorgeous little girl sucking some adult man’s cock, and it might as well be Seka, you know? However, he did say that some of it was disturbing, even extremely disturbing.

But this was 15 years ago, and there was a lot more CP on the web than there is now. I understand now almost all of it is on the Deep Web. There’s no real CP on the actual Internet. Worries about “CP pages on the Internet” are a big moralfag fuss over nothing – there’s literally nothing there. As far as the Deep Web goes, I have never been there, and not sure if I want to go there. I have heard that ~25-33% of the Dark Web is CP though. Not sure if that figure is good.

“Fake CP” Pages on the Net: Real Thing and JB

There’s actually a lot of this, or maybe there used to be 15 years ago. When my friend went looking for CP out of curiosity, he kept running into these pages over and over. They either hinted they were CP or they out and out stated that they were CP. A lot of just said “young” or “teens.”

He saw literally hundreds of pages like that, and he didn’t think any of them had real little girl CP on them. He described them to me as fake CP pages pretending to have CP just to get you to go to their site and pay money to join. Almost none of the pages advertised or hinted at that way were actually real.

As far as JB CP, that’s almost impossible to spot anyway, and my friend said didn’t seem to be what they were claiming.

Dirty little secret: when people talk about CP, they are almost always referring to the real deal – little girls. No one is out there on peer to peer networks trading “CP” with 17 year old girls. It’s ridiculous. If you go to the Dark Web, you don’t find all these sites with hardcore porn with 16 year old girls.

You wouldn’t be able to tell they were that age anyway, so there’s no way it would even be illegal to look at it. The only person getting busted would be the guy who put the site up if he knew their ages or if he failed to get the releases he needed.

I have been told that JB CP is all over the real Internet – everywhere, videos, photos, you name it. It’s mostly unmarked so you don’t even know what it is.

I will tell you what. I’ve seen a ton of porn on the web and of course a ton of “teen porn” amongst that. I have almost never seen any teen porn labeled as being underage.

There are some shady Russian sites I have been that were unlabeled, and the girls appeared underage, but that all legal. It was just JB’s shooting selfies in front of mirrors, in their bedrooms, romping on the beach, or in the waves. That stuff’s all legal.

Nudity is not necessarily CP. As long as the nudity is not explicitly erotic, it’s not illegal. Some 14 year old girl taking a nude selfie in front of a mirror is probably not illegal. A naked 16 year old girl romping in the waves at the beach is not illegal.

All of the photos on nudist sites of JB’s strolling around in the woods, standing on the beach, or standing around some campground are all legal.

In fact, on those nudist sites there are many photos of naked little girls under age 13 who are all doing all of the above things, often with the JB’s and maybe even with some nudist adults around. That’s all legal. Photos of naked kids are often legal as long as they are not erotic. A naked 7 year old girl standing in the woods is legal. She has to be posed in some erotic position for it to be illegal.

So if the Internet is actually flooded with JB porn, I would imagine that most of it is not marked as such. It’s just marked as “teen” or “18 year old girl” or whatever. If it’s not marked and she could be 18, it’s perfectly legal.

I did watch a porn video once from Germany with an older man and a teenage girl in it. I watched it because I’m a sick fuck who likes “older man young woman”, “older man teenage girl”, “old man young girl” videos. Sue me. It’s all legal anyway.

She looked pretty young. It was tagged “16 year old girl,” but there was no way of knowing if that was true or not. There were lots of comments after the video. Some of the men were saying things like, “This video is really hot, but I sure hope she’s 18.”

I have heard that a lot of people put legal videos of young looking legal girls up and then tag them as “16 year old girl” or “15 year old girl” just to get lots of views. Just because someone puts up some teenage girl porn and  puts “16 year old girl!” on it doesn’t mean it’s illegal!

If she’s over 18, you could call it “5 year old girl,” and it still wouldn’t be illegal. It’s not illegal unless she’s really underage. And for viewers, it’s probably not illegal unless it’s dead obvious that she’s not 18 or else you know her and know she’s underage.

I did see some shady Tumblr pages with photos and videos that were marked as underage teenage girls, but that’s the only place I’ve ever seen anything like that on the Net, and I’ve seen enough Net porn for 50 lifetimes. Probably nobody ever goes down for looking at that stuff. I wouldn’t put it on my drive though.

I guess you could always say you thought that the people who put up the video were lying and the “15 year old girl” was really 18 .

Conclusion: The whole idea that the Net is full of CP is asinine. The real thing is as good as nonexistent on the Web anymore. Head to the Dark Web if that’s your thing.

The notion that the Net is full of JB CP is also nonsensical. If it’s out there, 99% of it is unmarked, so it’s legal. There’s virtually nothing out there that’s marketed as JB CP, and no one’s ever going down for looking at stuff like that anyway.

This is all just hysteria from Normie idiots, feminist nutcases, and moralfag fucktards.

Alt Left: 15 Year Old Girl Commits a Crime and Rapes Herself by Masturbating, Then You Rape Her All Over Again When You Watch It!

On the Tumblr pages, the majority of it was webcam videos made by girls themselves. So it appears that there are a lot of teenage girls, mostly above 13, who are making dirty solo videos of themselves on webcams and then putting it out there for all to see.

So a lot of this “teenage girl CP” is being made by the girls themselves! Which opens up a lot of questions.

A 15 year old girl makes solo webcam porn of herself in front of a webcam. No one’s ever going down for looking at that unless they know her and she sent it to them.

However, according to the law, that girl is “manufacturing and distributing child porn.” Isn’t that insane? On what basis is that illegal?

The whole idea of CP laws is “CP is the portrayal of a crime!“, “CP shows a girl being raped!“, and “By watching it, you are raping her all over again!” Ok, so when a 14 year old girl makes a webcam video of herself jilling off, this is a portrayal of a crime? No it isn’t. It’s not illegal (yet) for 14 year old girls to masturbate. But I’m sure the feminists and moralfags are getting around to it real soon. Ok, it’s not a portrayal of a crime.

Maybe she’s being raped. Ok, so whenever a 14 year old girl masturbates, she’s actually raping herself, right? Come on.

So what are  you doing when you look at it? Witnessing a crime? Nope. Raping her all over again? Nope.

She’s not being harmed in any way, shape, or form by making that video.

You’re not hurting her in any way, shape, or form (even mystically as in raping her all over again).

In fact, she made that damned video for the expressed purpose! She made that video for the expressed purpose of having as many grown men on the Internet look at it as possible. Trust me, there’s no other reason.

See how fucktarded this “teenage girl CP” BS is?

There Are No “CP Traps” on the Internet

Stuff like Bang Bros etc.. Shady looking sites should be avoided – even if they have good adult-aged stuff – could be a trap – but I guess most don’t run into stuff.

Also there’s no such thing as a trap. There are no pages with teenage girl CP that claim the girls are over 18. Even if they existed, no one who visited those pages would go down as long as the girls look like they could have been 18. Think about it again. Why in God’s name would anyone put underage teenage girls on a porn site and then claim they were adults? What would be the point? How would that get you more traffic? It doesn’t even make sense.

If the site says they’re all over 18, quit worrying and look at that stuff all you want. There’s no such thing as “CP traps” on the Net. Entrapment is illegal anyway.

Over 100 People Have Reported Me to the Police for Sex Crimes, Including Child Pornography and Murder

A lot of my haters reported me to the police, and a lot of people tried to get me arrested. You wonder why I hate moralfags and sanctimonious scum so much? You wonder why I hate cops?

50 people called the police and turned me in as a suspect in the brutal torture murders of two young teenage girls, ages 13 and 14. I even had a damned detective call me up and question me about the case. He apparently decided that I had nothing to do with the case.

Many others called the police and reported me as a “pedophile.” That’s not a crime.

Many of them said I had child porn on my drive and said police should raid my residence to find it. Supposedly my posts proved that I was a “pedophile” and therefore, they assumed that I collected CP.

I don’t collect any “child porn” involving little girl children because I have no interest in such things. I also think it is disgusting and grotesque. Why would I have it on my drive?

Of course, I have a ton of porn on this drive. A lot of it is nudes that were sent to me by various females all over the world. I certainly hope they were all over 18. I would never store any nudes by any underage teenage girls on my drive. I don’t want that bullshit on my drive.

Have I seen it? Of course I have. Assuming it was what it was said to be. But it’s nothing special. There’s nothing interesting about it. I’ve seen these photos on webpages, but like Hell I am downloading that and putting that crap on my drive. Hell no.

Proving Possession of Teenage Girl “Child Porn” – Easier Said Than Done

It is very difficult to prove that someone has videos or photos of 13-17 year old girls on their drive. You look at the material, but how can you prove that she’s underage? Maybe she’s 18 and looks really young? There are legions of porn stars out there who were chosen specifically because they looked really young.

I mean when you get down to 13 and maybe some 14 year old girls, there might be some where you think “No way in Hell could she be 18.” Perhaps you could even call in physicians who would testify that there is no way on Earth that girl could be over 18. But would that even be true? Are there not such things as slow developers?

Anyway, if she looks like she’s 13 or 14, get it the Hell off your drive anyway. That stuff is dangerous because could say that any reasonable person could assume she could not be 18.

But I’ve seen quite a bit of this stuff on the web – nudes and porn with 13-17 year old girls. I don’t go looking for such things, and porn advertised as such is quite difficult to find, but at one point, I was searching through Tumblr porn pages for child porn so I could report it. That’s where I have seen most of this stuff.

I stumbled on some “CP” Tumblr blogs, which mostly consisted of borderline but legal material. You would be surprised what sort of “CP” is actually legal. A lot of “CP” is legal! The pages pissed me off, and they linked to one another, so I went following them.

The material was not interesting at all in general, except for the teenage girls advertised as such. Some of that was ok, but it wasn’t any better than porn with an adult woman.

I didn’t turn in any of that teenage girl stuff anyway, though with one, I was almost tempted. I had been liked or reposted 373,000 times! It was a very young girl on a webcam, probably 13. So you have a direct record there of 373,000 people, almost all men,  who looked at that video. You going to arrest 370,000 men, moralfags?

And for every like or repost, there were probably 10 others who just watched it and didn’t like or repost. So easily 3.7 million people, mostly men, probably watched that rather silly webcam video.  You going to arrest 3.7 million men, pigs?

See how stupid this is?

However, every now and then, there was something that was absolutely illegal. I mean sick stuff with girls obviously under 13. And I turned all that stuff in. Some of it was pretty sickening.

One very interesting thing I will say is that after seeing a fair amount of obviously illegal bullshit is that you could probably make a prosecution simply on the appearance of the girl’s vagina. After age 14, a vagina is a vagina is a vagina.

Some of what appeared to be 13 year old vaginas did seem to look a bit weird. It’s very hard to describe them, but they don’t exactly look normal. Like they are underdeveloped somehow.

Under age 13 and vaginas just don’t look right. There’s something very wrong with a 12 year old vagina. It’s just not right. I turned in almost all of that stuff because I don’t want 12 year old girl CP on the web. Screw that stuff.

And then there are the little girl vaginas. Unfortunately, I saw quite a few of what appeared to be those. Most were not labeled but the girl was disastrously young, and at that age, a girl’s vagina is remarkably different looking.

It’s hard to describe again but I suppose if you were a cop, you could develop body stage photos, and at some certain age you could make the case that anyone could figure out that that’s not a mature vagina. Not to mention that the girl it is attached to is obviously a little girl.

Most of that crap isn’t actual sex, though there was one post with an adult man and a ~5 year old naked girl that was the most disturbing thing I saw that night. He was pressing his full adult hard-on right on the little girl’s mouth. Fucked up or what? And real deal CP gets way worse than that. Trust me, I’ve seen it. On very, very rare occasions, but yes I have seen it.

Mostly it was just closeup nudes, pussy shots. Which were also quite disturbing when you can see the face it is attached too.

I probably turned 50 posts in as illegal CP. I probably turned in 25 blogs for illegal CP. And even there, over 95% of the “CP” was completely legal, albeit highly borderline.

Just to show you how insane and evil our laws are, I can go to prison for “possession of child pornography” for turning in 50 instances of CP on the web to authorities. Because the law says if you so much as look at this stuff – if it even hits your eyeballs – you have “possessed” CP.

Even if you delete the page right away, you “possessed CP” in that one instant when you saw it and it hit your eyeballs. Isn’t that insane? Now if you can prove that you stumbled upon it by accident, you are off the hook. But if you went looking for the stuff and found it and were surfing webpages of it, you can easily go down. That is because the definition of “possession of CP” that moralfags, sanctimonious shits, and pigs thought up is completely insane.

You see, every time you see anything on the web for even one microsecond, you have “downloaded” that page or image onto your computer. If you surf 1,000 pages on the web tonight, the law claims that you “downloaded” those 1,000 webpages onto your computer, even if you were there for less than a second. Isn’t that stupid?

Now what about me? I suppose if pigs wanted to be complete pieces of shit, they could go after good Samaritans like me out there surfing around dangerous parts of the web looking for CP pages to report to the authorities. There are groups of people called “pedophile hunters” who are doing this all over the web. They even have webpages and Facebook pages.

I suppose theoretically pigs could go after those people too. They probably would for a political prosecution, and pigs launch political prosecutions against people all the time in this country. Go against hotshots like the CIA, the FBI, and the Deep State, and you might definitely get a political prosecution filed against you. The FBI files blatantly political cases against Americans all the time simply because the Agency doesn’t like those people. You wonder why I hate the FBI?

Assuming it was advertised correctly, with 90% of it, there was no way on Earth you could tell if she was over or under 18. It’s almost impossible to look at a naked 15-17 year old girl and determine for certain that she is under 18. Almost all of them could easily be of age. Girls that age barely look different from barely adult females.

Usually you have to prove that the man knew what age the girl was. Almost no man goes down for underage teenage girl CP unless he knows her, mostly because you had to prove that he knew for sure she was under 18. How the Hell do you prove that?

Almost all men going down on this have photos of girls they knew. They were either having sex with them or they were sexting with them. Presumably, the girls told the men how old they were. Legally, that’s all you need. If you aren’t doing that, I don’t see how you are going down on any teenage girl “CP.” Because how the Hell do they know it’s “CP” or not? How do they know the girl’s age? How do they know that you know the girl’s age? See?

I still very much recommend that you do not store any nudes or porn of known underage teenage girls on your drive. Maybe you already know her? Get it off your drive? Maybe someone you know posted it as underage teenage girl CP and you have reason to believe, maybe because you know the guy, that he’s not lying.

There are girls out there who try to send that stuff to men. I’ve met them. I’m not going to say what happened but I sure as Hell don’t have any nudes on my drive from girls I met who told me they were underage. Hell if I am storing that stuff.

All I have got to say is don’t store that on your drive and get it the Hell off your drive if you have any. And even if you don’t know her and you have any reasonable suspicion that she’s underage (like she just looks so young that there’s no way she could be 18), just get it off your drive.

So go ahead and raid me all you want. I really doubt if you will find anything you can charge me with. Go for it, pigs. Raid away.

NSFW: Some Women Actually Enjoyed Getting Molested As Girls

NSFW!

Warning: This post contains a lot of highly disturbing material adults having sex minors, including the child molestation of little girls. If you find this sort of thing disturbing and upsetting, then don’t read. If you do read don’t come back and tell what a horrible person I am for writing about this sort of thing.

Also, a caveat: I am not saying it is a good thing for men to molest girls when they are young. Clearly, many girls are harmed by this practice. In quite a few cases, they get over it quickly, but one can argue that there was still harm. If someone robs me and I get over my trauma soon enough, but I still got harmed, let’s face it. And many girls are harmed long term by being molested, and in quite a few cases, the damage lingers into adulthood.

Some of the sequelae of getting molested are Borderline Personality Disorder, involved in the sex trade, masochism, addiction to abusive men, low to zero desire for sex, difficulty in maintaining sexual relationships, and PTSD.  There may be others but these are the only ones I can think of. Some studies have even visually mapped this damage on brain scans.

Now it’s quite obvious that women who get molested vary. Many suffer long term damage, but for many others, the damage is short term. An unknown group of others actually regard the experience as positive.

For those who regard the experience as positive, the sequelae are nonetheless similar to those who got harmed: involved in the sex trade, masochism or a desire for abusive sex, addiction to older men, and the most prominent of all – promiscuity, often extreme promiscuity.

It’s not PC to say that some women liked it and were not harmed at all, but that’s the science, so that’s the conclusion that we need to go with. Such outcomes may have discussed in the famous paper by Judith Reiner et al around 1999 which said that harm from molestation stemmed whether it was consensual or not.

Girls who went along with and agreed to it experienced short term or no harm at all. Those who were coerced (the majority) often experienced long term harm. Pedophiles have been using  this study to justify the molestation of children, which was to be expected. Nevertheless, the science is the science and we must support the truth in all cases, which by the way is an Alt Left position.

The fact that even many women who were harmed nevertheless enjoyed the sex is well-known and this is part of the therapy of the problem.

I knew one woman who was molested at age 8 and got over it. However she said the experience was confusing because it felt good but it was wrong.

Girls and later women wrestle with this internal contradiction. Many of those seriously harmed often experience extreme guilt over the fact that they felt pleasure in being molested. This is one of the main issues that needs to be addressed in  any therapy.

Any man who intends to molest a girl, regardless of the legality of the matter, ought to think of the consequences for the girl. That girl may well be harmed very long-term, for decades or maybe for life. In that sense it is like stealing from her, beating her up, or out and out raping her. Maybe you should think twice about that.

Besides, if you get caught, your life will be pretty much ruined. If you go to jail or prison, you will be in serious danger there and may well be attacked or possibly even killed. You will be on the Sex Offender List for the rest of your life with all the consequences that flow from that. I would say think about it.

This nonsense has been going on too long. Earlier we could plead innocence of cultural values, but now we know better.

The practice is widespread across cultures and is very common even in some primitive tribes in places like Australia and New Guinea. It was very common in ancient Rome and among the poor in  the West during the 18th and  19th centuries when it was associated with crowded conditions. Even today in India, 53% of Indian women get molested as girls.

My own position is that we men have been having sex with those little girls forever now. Isn’t about time that we knocked it off! It’s a human rights issue.

Some women who were molested as girls found the experience positive. Not only were they not harmed but they claimed it was positive and beneficial.

I know it goes against everything you heard, but it’s true.

Some molesters are simply extreme libertines or trysexuals. They have no particular interest in kids and instead are just the types who “try anything” sexually.

I have talked to a couple of women who were raised in “loving families.”

I talked to one who spent half the year in Hong Kong and the other half in the Caribbean and started having sex with her mother and stepfather at age 6. This continued all through teenage years when she was known as the blow job queen at the local junior high (White boys only).

She was a Black woman with a White man fetish, as her stepfather was White, and her Mom was Black. She continued to have sex with her stepfather and maybe Mom to this very day. These “pedo families” are fairly common. It was all a big secret, and she didn’t want to give me too much information, as she was worried I might go to the police and get the mother and stepfather in trouble.

I also talked to an 18 year old girl from the US Northeast who was in one of these families. I guess it was the cousins and the uncles or just the males in the family. They started having sex with her at age 8. She had two sisters, one 14 and another…I forget…9? Both of the girls were also having sex with each other and with the males. It  was all a big secret. I am not sure if any of these men were actual pedophiles or not.

I talked to a British woman age 24 who started getting molested by her uncle at age 9. They apparently “trained” her to be a total slut. From age 13-on she regularly had sex with the uncle and his older man friends, including gangbangs with groups of these older men. She told me about one gangbang when she was 13. They made her recite some line from “Harry Potter” when they came on her.

At some point she got really fucked up about all this as is typical, but then she decided that if this happened, I may as well make the best of it and learn to enjoy it and label it is a positive experience.

She now had a serious older man fetish, and she regularly has sex with older men in hotel rooms, etc. Other than that, her sexual interests were pretty normal.

These older men who had sex with her as a teen took a ton of photos and videos of her getting gangbanged and whatnot. She admitted that it would turn her on to see this stuff and she had been asking around the underground community to try to find the videos of herself, if they ever got distributed that is.

She said people had sent her a bunch of teenage girl CP, and she had looked at it but didn’t find any of herself. She wasn’t really worried about getting caught.

She called me “Mister” and had sort of a strange robotic, emotionless way about her. I saw her pic and she is really hot. Apparently neither her uncle nor the other older men were pedophiles.

I met another woman about 40 who had grown up in one of these “sex families,” and she thought it was a very positive experience. Her father had started having sex with her at age 5. Her sexual interests were pretty normal. Her father was apparently not a pedophile.

I met an 18 year old girl college student from the Midwest who worked as a stripper. She was really nice but she didn’t talk all that much. Her uncle raped her when she was 12.

After that he turned her into some sort of a total sex slave. He trained her to deep throat, and she was also a toilet slave (yuck). She liked some one aspect the latter but not the other part of it.

He tied her to the bed all day when he was gone and put diapers on her if she pissed or shit when she was tied up. He also made her wear diapers when they went out. That’s all pretty gross to me, but she told me that now she had a serious diaper fetish as a result.

He also stuck a dildo her in mouth and taped it in, and she would have to have this thing in her throat all day. This was deep throat training. I asked her if she vomited but she said if that thing is in your throat you can’t puke, which is probably correct. This was all to train her to deep throat.

He also made her have sex with another 12 year old girl at age 12. I asked her why she continued this abusive activity for years, and she said she felt she did not have a choice, and she thought he owned her, which I guess is what he told her.

The uncle also took a ton of photos and film. He got caught when she was 17, and after a trial was sentenced to a long prison term. I asked her what she thought of that, and she had no opinion. All of the photos and videos were confiscated, and there was a ton of it.

Mom was a severe alcoholic and the girl had a lock on her door as a teenage girl to keep the raging mother from coming in and beating her. I guess the mother either allowed the sex with the uncle to happen or she was too wasted to care. The uncle was not a pedophile at all, as he started having sex with her at age 12 and continued til age 17.

She was a total submissive into perverted, abusive sex involving degradation, humiliation, etc. She wanted to be dominated or dommed big-time. I actually liked her and thought she was a good person. She was vaguely bisexual but mostly into men.

I met another who was as Berber woman from Northeastern Mali. Her Dad had started having sex with her at age 9. She and her father were in love. She was 23 years old now and still having sex with the father.

The father pimped her out as a prostitute, and this is what she did all day – got fucked by men. She was into some sort of male worship and said she was put on this Earth to serve and be a slave to men, and she didn’t want any pleasure herself. She was also heavy into degrading sex – the more degrading, the better.

She had sex with women but considered herself straight because she got no pleasure from it. Some of the johns would bring in a girl or a woman and pay for a lesbian show. She told me that she had been “cut” via genital mutilation, and she said all the girls there got cut this way.

I argued that this was bad, and she was very defensive of it and thought it was great because she thought females should just be slaves to and serve men and not get any pleasure themselves.

She was a rather curt and unfriendly person with a list of 100 rules about stuff you could not talk to her about or what sort of tone you had to have with her. She was pretty arrogant about this and quit talking to me after I complained. She was bitchy, difficult, curt, short, and in a chronically annoyed mood.

She thought she was better than other people – she had some narcissism. She got a college education in London and then went back to Mali. She said it was a difficult neighborhood around there with Al Qaeda Islamist types out and about.

She most of these people were apolitical. There were all sorts of warlords and organized crime/smuggler types who were in the area, and these Al Qaeda guys were just another group of gangsters and warlords and really had no particular political or even religious philosophy. Her father was not a pedophile.

"Child Pornography" on the Darknet

You may have heard that the FBI has people dedicated to infiltrating the Dark Web. They won’t get very far.
The FBI got into one of the invite only child pornography (CP) sites by accident somehow and, they busted the guy who ran it and his clientele. But that’s it. They have not cracked anything else.
It’s hardly crackable anyway. No one knows who anyone is down there, and there’s no way to find out who anyone is. If a cop or anyone for that matter is wandering around down there, mostly what you are going to see is a lot of weird closed doors to sketchy websites. Everything requires an invite or a password. It’s like walking through a huge hotel where all the doors are locked and there are cryptic, possibly sleazy but hard to figure out labels on the doors.
There are all sorts of weird, creepy, and sleazy sites down there, but the hard cold illegal stuff like child pornography is typically invite-only. And I guess the cops are not going to get an invite. One of the largest child porn sites down there is run by a woman who got molested as a girl and apparently liked it and turned into a child molester or child porn fan herself. She runs it with her husband. No one seems to know who she is, and there doesn’t seem to be any way to find out.
I believe 60% of the Dark Net is CP. Ugly place.
I have never been to the Darknet, and I don’t go looking for real CP on the web. I have friends who have seen it on the chans where it gets posted sometimes, and they told me it is awful stuff, so bad that once you see it, you never want to see it again.
CP barely exists on the real web, and your chances of stumbling across it accidentally are vanishingly small, but that depends very much on how you define your “CP.” There are nine different levels of “CP,” and the top 3-4 levels are more or less legal and are actually not even considered CP.
I am talking about photos of nudist camps where people of all ages, including kids, are walking about naked. There are nudist and nudist camp sites all over the Internet, and you can see naked human beings of all ages on those sites walking about in the woods, sitting on the beach, etc. Remember, nudity is not necessarily child pornography. There has to be some sort of focus on the genitalia or lascivious display of the genitalia.
The stuff with little girls (under 13) is basically impossible to get to on the normal web if it even exists at all anymore (it’s probably all gone Darknet). The stuff with puberty aged girls with adult-like bodies posing lasciviously is accessible on the normal Net but extremely hard to find, and you really have to know where to go looking for it and know what you are doing to find it on more or less “hidden” websites. It’s also dead illegal, and I would not go looking for that stuff if I were you.
I have been told that there are are photos of naked teenage girls posed and even having hardcore sex all over the Net. Teenage girls have quite a bit of their own posed nude stuff out there. They post their nudes or porn pics to their personal social media pages like Twitter. There are definitely Russian sites where that post a lot of underage  teenage girls. They’re mostly standing in front of a mirror, standing in their bedroom or by the pool, and playing at the beach. Those sites are quite hard to find and are quite hidden and not marked well. Nevertheless, I am pretty sure that all of the photos described above are legal anyway. But most people are so afraid that it might be illegal that no one in the US wants to post it.
If it looks like she could be 18, there’s no way to find out if she is or not.
I am also told that there is a lot of hardcore porn with underage teenage girls all over the Internet, but I’ve hardly seen any myself other than one famous one by the Bang Brothers that has millions of views by now. She’s 15, but you watch that video, and she doesn’t look 1% different from the legal 18 year olds out there. Nothing’s going to happen if you watch it because LE would have to put millions of men in jail or prison by now.
Hardcore porn with underage teenage girls, although reportedly common, is very hard to find for real though because you are never sure if she’s really underage unless someone tells you. Almost no hardcore porn on the Net actually says it’s an underage girl, and the rare stuff that is might just be marked “16 years old” just try to draw in viewers looking for taboo stuff, and it might not even be illegal. Might be an 18 year old girl with a “16 years old” tag on it to draw in viewers.
What there is instead is a ton of porn out there with young looking teenage girls saying generally saying “18” on it, and Lord knows if the girls are 18 or not. They always look like they could be 18. Unless they know who she is or she could not possibly be 18, LE has no idea if it’s even “CP,” so it stays up.

Is This Child Pornography?

Justin Y writes:

YouTube might ban the video cause they don’t want a bad image, but the movie and images aren’t illegal in the United States. In other words, videos like that are “bad for business”.RL: That video was illegal.

The video in question was discussed here in a previous post. A commenter posted it to Youtube and linked it to the comments section of this site, I was suspicious of it especially after his description, so I went to Youtube and looked at it. I watched the video, and then I reported it to Youtube as child pornography. I doubt if I had to do that, but I felt compelled to for some reason. Also I sort of wanted to protect myself for watching it to see what the content was. Youtube took it down within 24 hours.

Video was shot by a White American man with a taste for pubescent girls. He also liked older females and women. Whether he counts as a hebephile or not is not known, but his intense interest in Lolitas probably qualifies him as one alone, since honestly most older adult men are just not particularly interested in Lolis. It’s not true that they have no interest in them at all – studies show that normal men are attracted to 12-14, but only at a lesser rate than to mature females whom they prefer. The attitude of many men towards a girl that age is, yes, there is something to be attracted to there, but it’s not much, and the general POV is something like, “Meh.”

This man traveled around the world so he could have sex with 12-14 year old girls in countries around the world where no one cares about this stuff. He told me he met a lot of other men in these places who were doing the same thing as he was. He told me, “A lot of men will pay good money to have sex with a 12-14 year old girl.” That doesn’t surprise me at all, as I know my gender pretty well. But it’s not something that interests me now, that’s for sure.

The video was shot in the back of a bar in Colombia. The videographer had drunk half a bottle of hard liquor and was pretty loaded. Apparently he got a 12 year old girl to get up on a stage and do a striptease. Perhaps he paid her. I have no idea. Anyway, the video is an account of this striptease. Her sex drive has already come on (this is obvious – don’t ask me how I can tell) and she seems to be enjoying herself. The video is very lascivious with a lot of closeup shots of the genitalia.

Later she gets in the shower for a bit where she is joined by a boy who is maybe 14-16. The mess around a bit in the shower and then retire to a bed where they play around a bit sexually, but no sex occurs.

Is the video illegal?

It is indeed.

Child porn laws are completely nuts, and it often very had to tell if something is illegal or not. However many cases are clear-cut.

Simple nudity of minors is not illegal. There are photos of naked kids all over the Internet. These photos also include many pics of naked teenage girls, many of whom are underage. You can go look at them to your heart’s content – it’s completely legal. Those photos are all in the context of “nudist photos.” They are generally taken outdoors, the minors are often accompanied by other naked minors, and not uncommonly there are adults walking around too. Just kids and adults walking about naked in the outdoors in all sorts of scenes, often at beaches, near bodies of water, or in wooded areas.

That’s all completely legal because simple nudity of anyone of any age is not illegal. Nude pictures of minors are only illegal if there is some sort of lascivious sexual display involved.

It’s hard to say what that might be, but the video of the 12 year old girl doing a lascivious striptease, especially with all the closeups, clearly qualifies. It’s not that she’s naked, no one cares about that. It’s more how she is being naked. This is what is important.

When she’s in the shower, that’s probably legal. When the boy joins her in the shower, things get a bit dicier. See what I mean when I say it’s hard to figure out what’s legal and what’s not? When the two retire to the bed naked and play around, that’s probably illegal. You probably can’t show a minor couple aged 12-15 naked in a bed doing sexual things to each other even if they don’t have sex.

The video poses some important questions. First of all, no one gets hurt. The girl’s having a blast the whole time. The boy doesn’t get hurt either. He’s having a blast himself. If no one got hurt, why is it illegal? And I do think it should be illegal.

I think society is not so much bothered by what is going on in the video (which is just harmless fun) but by the idea that adult men are sitting around in front of computers with their dicks in their hands masturbating to this 12 year old girl doing a striptease. That’s really upsetting to people. Society thinks that men should not be able to have this sort of material as a masturbation aid. There’s something creepy and unseemly about it. I would have to agree with society on this point.

Nevertheless, there is nothing wrong with the video per se. Suppose the girl herself had the video and only watched it herself, with the boy, or with her friends?

Any harm? Nope.

Should it be illegal? Maybe not. Maybe minors can make sexual photos and videos of themselves and pass them around to their friends. I certainly don’t think it’s child porn. They don’t belong in jails or prisons for possessing this stuff. But society doesn’t seem to like it anyway. In that case, perhaps society ought to simply seize the material when they find it in the hands of the minors.

There may be other problems.

Some enterprising minors may take photography of themselves or their friends naked or having sex and then try to sell the videos on the market, especially to adults. Now these kids are pretty much manufacturing and selling child pornography. I don’t know what to do about them, but it shouldn’t be legal.

Here’s another one.

Suppose as a minor, you and your friends made and accessed a lot of sexual material of minors nude and having sex with other minors. You kept it around, and now you are an adult male. You continue to look at this old material from your teenage days as you age, to age 20 to 30 to 40. Now you have a 40 year old man masturbating to videos of what is legally child porn produced by his friends during his teen years. Now what?

I have not the faintest idea what to do here as it opens up a lot of interesting legal and philosophical issues.

Naked 12 Year Old Girls Are Evil

If you ever want to see a naked 12 year old girl, here’s how to find one. Go look up the video of the scene with Brooke Shields in Pretty Baby. It’s on the Net. For some reason apparently it’s not child porn yet. Brooke is working or living in some whorehouse and someone walks in on her in the bath. She stands up and tries to cover herself up with a bath curtain.

This video scene is considered very underground and it’s much whispered about as some sort of “hard to believe it’s legal” shock video on the Net. But a funny thing happens if you go and watch it, which you can do, perfectly legally too I might add.

You watch it and you think, “Wow. Is that all it is? Why is everyone so excited about this. This is nothing. This is bullshit. This is stupid. Why would anyone get turned on by this?”

That’s because even though it’s Brooke Shields, yes, to any normal man who sees that video, it doesn’t look like much anything. You can’t see a whole lot and there’s not much to see anyway. She has no breasts. No body hair. Her body is shaped like a stick. The long legs are nice because that’s starting to look like a woman, but the rest is just a joke. It’s not exciting. It’s not a turn-on. It’s actually stupid. You watch it, shrug your shoulders and say, “Meh? What’s the fuss?” Because there’s nothing even slightly erotic about that video.

I will confess to something now. Some put a link to what has to be classed as “child porn” in my comments section. They uploaded it to Youtube and linked to the Youtube video on my site. I followed it to Youtube, was disturbed and wanted to check out just what this highly dubious and maybe illegal video was that this guy linked to. He said he shot the video in the back of a bar in Colombia, and the girl was 12 years old.

So I watched. It’s a 12 year old Colombian girl doing a striptease in the back of the bar. The camera angle is pretty lascivious, so that’s legally child porn. She seems to be enjoying herself as she is doing this striptease. She’s finally all the way naked, and there’s not much there. Her breasts are there, but they are so small it is ludicrous. Nothing attractive. Her body is stick-like. She has a little girl face, and she acts like a kid. She has a tiny bit of pubic hair, but they’re shaving that off now anyway.

After she does her little show, she gets in the shower and washes off. A teenage boy maybe 14 years old joins her in the shower. Later they retire to a bed where they mess around a bit but don’t have anything resembling sex.

I watched it and the whole time I was thinking, “This isn’t even erotic. This girl doesn’t even turn me on. Why would anyone get turned on by this?” and most importantly, “Why is this evil? Why is this horrible? Why is it sick, vile and diabolical?” because that is what everyone tells us “child porn” is.

The video is not sick, evil, diabolical, horrific or awful. Mostly it’s just boring. You’re lucky if you can stay awake.

But more importantly, there is absolutely nothing wrong with what this girl is doing. Yes, she is doing a striptease. At that age, her sex drive may well be coming on, and surely teenage girls probably like to do stripteases in their bedrooms? Or for their boyfriends? Or with their girlfriends? Is that evil? Why is a pubertal girl doing a striptease and obviously having a blast “evil?” How did she get harmed by doing this striptease? We need to know this because anti-CP folks insist that this girl was obviously “harmed” by this video. How did the video hurt her? How did the striptease hurt her? Was the striptease harmful in some way?

Why is it evil to show a 12 year old girl in a shower? 12 year old girls get in the shower every day, right? Is that evil or something? Is it sick? It’s “sick” for 12 year old girls to take showers? Why? Did this girl get hurt by taking a shower (because anti-CP folks say she got hurt by this filming so apparently the shower was harmful)?

Yes, she plays with the boy in the shower. A couple of pubertal kids having some sex fun.Yes, later they retire to the bed and mess around sexually a bit, like 12-14 year old’s do all over the damn world every single day. Is it “sick” for her and the boy to mess around in the shower? Is “sick, evil and horrible” for them to play around in bed? Why? Was she harmed by playing with the boy in the shower or the bed (because anti-CP folks say she got hurt)? How? How did messing with the boy hurt her horribly, perhaps irreparably?

Ok, so after I watched the video, what did I do? I reported it to Youtube as child pornography, as is my duty as a citizen. I checked back in a day, and it was gone.Then I banned the idiot who put that on my page and blasted him in the comments for putting CP on my website. He apologized profusely and soon circumvented the ban. I let him stay because he promised to be good.

But I was still disturbed. Yes I watched it, determined it was CP and turned it in, but did I break the law by doing just that? Once you see it, you break the law, right? Ok, so how is anyone supposed to turn this stuff in ever, considering that by merely seeing it they are committing a serious crime?

Are there not anti-CP groups who range around the net finding CP and reporting it? Indeed there are, and I have been to some of these pages where  you can sometimes follow their links to what they call “CP” (really just naked young girls). But everyone in that vigilante group had to look at that page in order to turn it in, right? Did they break the law by looking at the page, even though they had to in order to turn it in?

Society acts like a video of a naked 12 year old girl is the most evil thing on the planet, and anyone who sees one is a diabolical pedophile scum. We all must be shielded from the Satanic evil videos of naked 12 year old girls, the sickest, most vile, most disgusting and perverted and twisted photography on Earth!

Can someone explain to me why society is so freaked out about this sort of thing? There’s nothing to get excited about, there’s nothing even to get interested in, but if some man glimpses this ultimate abyss of boredom, we act like he needs to be shot on site, beaten to death or sentenced to 50 years in prison? What for? For looking at one of the least interesting things known to man? What’s wrong with people?

I do not think this sort of thing should be legal, but is is really sick, evil, horrific, monstrous, diabolical, and vile? Why? It’s a naked girl. So what? Is that a bad thing?

Men Arrested for Having Sex with Underage Dolls

I wrote about this insanity earlier. I told you that feminists were already working to try to ban sex dolls. Now it turns out they are already doing it.

Two men, one in Canada and one in Australia, have been arrested and charged with possession of child pornography for owning dolls that are shaped like 12-14 year old Lolis.

Yep, you read that right. Two men were arrested for owning underage dolls. That’s so stupid it’s not even real. You see, underage dolls are harmed when men own them and use them for sex because while adult dolls are capable of consent, underage dolls are simply not capable of consenting due to the immaturity of their plastic brains.

I am surprised they didn’t charge these guys with child molesting for fucking these ridiculous dolls. That’s probably coming next. Nothing’s too bizarre for Pedophile Mass Hysteria, brought to you by the feminists.

Both of these men are apparently going to get off because while child pornography laws are absolutely insane, they are not quite this insane yet. And yes, child pornography laws are insane. For instance, in some cases drawings of children having sex with adults are illegal.

The whole argument against child pornography is based on the notion that a child was harmed in making the images. The images show the commission of a crime along with a criminal perpetrator and a crime victim. By viewing these images (dubious argument) and certainly by collecting, trading and selling them for sexual gratification (better argument) you are re-victimizing the child. The girl who got molested at age 10 gets “molested” over and over again each time her images are collected, traded or sold. I suppose there is some sort of a rational argument in there somewhere. Anyway, true child pornography is so awful that society is completely within its means to ban the stuff.

But drawings? What’s the argument? The girl in the drawing got harmed? The girl in the drawing is a crime victim? The man in the drawing is a criminal? The drawing shows the commission of an actual crime which definitely occurred? Every time you collect, trade of sell that drawing, the poor little girl in that drawing is victimized over and over again?

What the Hell?

True pedophiles have an actual sexual orientation like homosexuality or heterosexuality. They can’t help their orientation any more than any of us can. I say let the pedos have their drawings, stories and dolls but now their images or actual humans being victimized. After all, they have a right to satisfy their sexual urges in some manner, do they not?

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