This whole war is about Ukrainian nationalism. Ukrainian nationalism is a form of fascism, period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. And even those Jewish presidents are in on it. Over there, Nazism means “kill the Russians,” not so much “kill the Jews.”
20-33% of Ukrainians are full blown ultranationalist fascists and most of the rest put up with them.
There are a few Ukie antis and pacifists, mostly in the south and east, but not too many. Even Ukie “antifa” is fascist and Nazi. The Russian antifascists are all antifa. Most of the Ukrainian antifascists, including those who are not pro-Russian, have had to flee Ukraine in the last eight years as many of them have been arrested and some of them have been killed. Where did they flee to? Russia, of course! Which country are the antifascists fleeing from due to persecution? Ukraine. Which country is taking in all these persecuted antifascists? Russia! Tell me again about how Russia is a fascist country.
I would not say most Ukies are Nazis. The figure for true Nazis is ~27% in my estimation. But I would say that most Ukrainians are not antifascist at the moment. Most Ukrainians are pro-fascist.
Why did this Zelensky just give a medal to the Nazi Azov Battalion? Why did he say that Stepan Bandera was one of the great heroes of Ukraine? Why did former president Poroshenko drive around in cars the other day with Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera’s portrait on it? His picture is everywhere in Ukraine. There are statues to him and his pals in most every city.
Why did an openly Nazi party, Svoboda, get 35% of the vote in the Western Ukraine in the last election? Why did it get 50% in Lviv?
Bandera was a Nazi collaborator. ALL of the heroes of Ukrainian nationalism were Nazi collaborators. Before them, the earliest Ukrainian nationalists in 1917-1923 were full-blown fascists too. They led pogroms that killed 30,000 Jews. That’s the root of Ukrainian nationalism. It’s not just Russians they hate. These Jewish presidents have deputized these Nazis to patrol cities as citizen cops. They tormented the Greeks in Mariupol for eight years and the Hungarians in the west for just as long. You know why? They’re ethnic nationalists. They hate everyone who’s not a pure Ukrainian.
Ukrainian nationalism has been about ethnic purity since 1917. Before that, the earliest strains of Ukie nationalism were formed from a base of Ukrainian village culture in the southwest which engaged in repeated anti-Jewish pogroms in the early 1800’s until most of the Jews in the region were crowded into Odessa. This is the root base of Ukrainian nationalism.
Let’s listen to Ukrainian liberals: A Ukrainian liberal head of military medicine just gave the order to castrate all Russian POW’s.
A Ukrainian liberal on state TV just said we don’t just need to kill all the Russian adults. We need to kill their kids too. Because nits make lice.
A Ukrainian liberal on a top TV channel said the Donbass was overpopulated with 4 million people. Its population needed to be reduced by the extermination of 1.5 million people. They’ve been trying to do just that in the Donbass for eight years now, firing shells at cities and towns.
The Ukrainian liberals all cheered when 40 Communists were burned alive by Nazis in Odessa.
The Ukrainian liberal vice president’s favorite band was a Nazi hard rock band.
If this is how the liberals act for God’s sake, just think of how the out and out Nazis act!
NAZISM IN UKRAINE – AN OVERVIEW Part 1 of a Four Part Series
Yes, there are antecedents to Ukrainian Nazism, as Ukrainian nationalism was fascist and proto-Nazi as early as the first Ukrainian state in 1917-1923. They led many pogroms against Jews, killing at least 30,000 of them. A big one took place in Lviv. One of the leaders of some of the biggest pogroms was Jewish, perhaps a hidden one. Ukraine is a weird place. You had Jews leading pogroms against Jews, and Jews herding other Jews into holding camps.
This state was defeated by the Red Army, who saved the Jews. Yes, the Red Army committed a few pogroms too, but it was strictly forbidden. When the Whites in the Civil War would come into towns, they would take the Jews out of towns and loot their stores. When Trotsky’s Reds came to town, they would gather all the Jews in the town square, tell them they had come to save them, and urge them to join the Red Army. Jews joined the Red Army in droves. Pogroms ended in the USSR and antisemitism was made into a capital offense.
The Reds and Bolsheviks were not a bunch of Jews as Nazi propaganda insists. There were as many Latvians as Jews in the first administration. Yes, many Bolsheviks were Jewish, but in 1917, 70% of Russian Jews voted for the Zionist Party against the Bolsheviks, just to show you where the Russian Jews’ mindset was. As Jews say, while maybe five out of ten radicals is Jewish, maybe one out of ten Jews is a radical. This explains the “Jewish radicalism” theory well.
NAZISM IN UKRAINE – AN OVERVIEW Part 3 of a Four Part Series
This war in the 1930’s was a class war more than anything. As I said, 70% of Ukrainians were landless peasants. The Holodomor fanboys are the children of the brutal landlords who viciously exploited the Ukrainian peasants for centuries. Nevertheless, a Nazi lie was started when the Nazis made up the Holodomor myth. To this day, Ukrainians blame the USSR and especially “the Jews” for the Holodomor. Holodomor theory is viciously antisemitic. Ask a Ukrainian about the Holodomor and see what you get. “The Jews killed us!” is what you will hear.
The Ukrainian Jews which had swarmed to the Reds in the Civil War, also remained serious supporters of the USSR during the Holodomor period. The ONU Ukrainian ultranationalist fascist group was founded in the late 20’s and started waging attacks at that time. All through the 30’s, the NKVD was killing a lot of them.
Even before the Nazis even invaded Ukraine in1941, the ONU under the hero of the Ukrainian nationalists Stepan Bandera started killing Jews in Lviv already in 1940. The Lviv pogrom was horrible. There is footage of it on Youtube. Bandera’s ONU pursued the Nazi “Jewish Bolshevism” theory that “Communism was Jewish.” Judeo-Bolshevism continues to animate Ukrainian ultranationalist Nazi theory to this day, a movement supported by 20-33% of the Ukrainian population. Ukrainian antisemitism is driven by the idea that “Jews are Communists.”
Bandera’s group also killed Poles, Gypsies, and Russians. In the end, they killed 200,000 Jews and 90,000 Poles. The SS turned over to the ONU tasks that even the SS shied away from, like killing children. The ONU relished in such tasks. The ONU was so bad that many Ukrainian Jews sought refuge from the Wehrmacht to save them from the ONU! The Wehrmacht was not the SS, and although it committed many crimes, in other times, they saved and protected Jews as it was not a force that was ideological at its core. It was mostly the SS and Einsatzgruppen who were the Jew-killers.
The ONU had massive support in Western Ukraine, and Bandera and all of his associates are the heroes of Ukrainian nationalism. All of the heroes of Ukrainian nationalism were Nazi collaborators. The Ukrainian nationalists from 1917-1923 are best seen as proto-Nazis or pre-Nazis. As the USSR reconquered Ukraine, the US and UK hustled the Ukrainian nationalists out of the country to the US, Canada, and Australia.
Buttface: What’s wrong with the Unz site? I’ve been there a few times, and it didn’t look too bad.
Full of completely insane antisemites and full on Nazis, the real kind, that love Hitler and his government, all tolerated and even encouraged by the very Jewish Mr. Unz. This man is very foolish. There’s a guy named Larry Romanoff on there who’s also Jewish, and the guy’s a raging antisemite or self-hater. These guys are playing with fire.
Jews won’t get anywhere sucking up to Nazis for whatever crazy reason they have. When push comes to shove, a Nazi’s a Nazi, and they’re pretty much out to get all the Jews. They will hardly save a one of them. Jews are evil in a racial sense to Nazis. It’s not something you can talk or convert your way out of.
There are antisemites and there are antisemites. A lot of people don’t like Jews as a group. They don’t make themselves easy to like – I get it. Claudius said he’s never met one person in his life who liked Jews, but they all made exceptions for individual Jews. They dislike the group, but they take each individual Jew as a unique person, and a lot of them are really cool in my opinion as long as you keep away from certain subjects. Of course, my longest relationship was with a Jewish woman who agreed with most everything I said about Jews. And I was actually going to convert to Judaism to please her too.
I don’t mind “watercooler antisemitism” – complaints that Jews are greedy, obnoxious, loud, rude, aggressive, somewhat unpleasant, slightly sociopathic and thuggish – a lot of them are, especially the men. But many also are not.
And any rate, there’s nothing wrong with not being wild about certain types of people. I’m not wild about Turks, the Latin American upper class, Gulf Arabs, Indian Hindus, and especially Gypsies. Not wild about Nigerians either. But I’ll probably be nice to them if I meet them, and I don’t advocate harming them in any way. Jews are in the same class, though they’re better than those other groups. I don’t want to harm them either.
Just because you’re not ecstatic about some race of people doesn’t mean you want to hurt them!
Obsessive, conspiratorial antisemitism or hardcore antisemitism is nasty stuff. It has and still does lead to active harm for Jewish people. To put it mildly, it’s not good the Jews at all. I don’t blame Jews for being very suspicious of and even harboring strong dislike for these people.
And it tends to go over towards Nazism at some point or another. It’s an odd hardcore antisemite who isn’t a Nazi in some way or another. Antisemitism is a different form of racism because it can and does turn homicidal. Despite the screams of antiracists, most racism against Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. isn’t of the homicidal variety.
I’ve also noticed that hardcore antisemites, at some point or another, start advocating for mass murder of Jews. I’d say the mildest want to kill ~200,000 of them. I always thought this was a Jewish lie – antisemites want to kill them all. Sadly, I found out the Jews weren’t lying about this. I don’t know why it is, but this form of racism generally leads to advocacy of mass murder.
Anti-Zionist antisemitism, granted a variety of antisemitism though not all anti-Zionists are particularly antisemitic, doesn’t typically lead to exterminationist language. If all the Jews in Israel packed up and went to other countries or the moon tomorrow, this type of antisemite wouldn’t really care. It’s not like they would go hunt them down in their new homes! They just want them out of Palestine. Once they leave, most of these people don’t care where they go.
Islamist antisemitism can be exterminationist in its extreme forms like Al Qaeda or ISIS. I believe ISIS is committing to killing all the Jews on Earth. On the other hand, unlike racial antisemites, even ISIS will let you convert your way out of harm.
We have somehow recorded five false flags so far in this war, most in the last few days. They’re centered around Mariupol, which is false flag central because the Ukrainians are losing.
Update! Russia is taking Mariupol residents out of the city to Russia where they are putting them in some gulags or internment camps.Unknown. I haven’t the faintest idea what is going on with this rumor. I don’t know who these people are or why they would do this. 99% of Mariupol residents support Russia. Why would they haul their own supporters away gulags in Russia? It sounds completely insane but I don’t have enough information to deny it at the moment.
Ammonia plant false flag.Russia attacked an ammonia plant in Sumy.False. Russia warned of this one two days ago. It said nationalist battalions had mined this plant and planned to blow it up as a false flag. Turns out two days later, they do just that. Occam’s Razor says the Ukrainians blew up the plant as a false flag to blame Russia. Otherwise you have to believe that Russia told everyone they were going to bomb a chemical plant and then did it because they really, really wanted to bomb a chemical plant! Get out.
Mariupol theater false flag. More information on the Mariupol theater false flag. Turns out that the entire theater was cleared out when the Azov Battalion bombed it with the mines they had laid on the roof and ceiling. They got all the civilians out of the place first. The US media talking about pulling civilians out of the rubble is all lies. We have no video of this attack, any victims or survivors, or any rescue efforts.
No doubt because there are none. The building was empty when they blew it up, like the maternity hospital. The Ukrainians keep changing this story all the time. Whenever a story keeps changing, you know it is a false flag or fake attack. Notice how many times atrocity stories the US reports keep changing every day? That’s because the US/NATO is pretty much False Flag Central at this point. I’ve got some news for you. In real attacks, the story doesn’t keep changing all the time in essential facts.
Mariupol mosque false flag.Russia attacked a mosque in Mariupol with artillery. False. 80 people were inside trapped in the rubble. This was a Ukrainian attempt to drag Turkey into the war but it didn’t work. Turkey called up the mosque and the people at the mosque said there was no attack and everyone was fine.
Mariupol school false flag.Russia bombed a school with 400 people in it. False. No video of the attack, survivors, victims, rescue crews, people being pulled out of rubble, etc. Obviously this never even happened, like the mosque fake.
Chernhiv false flag. We didn’t understand this one. Russia shot 12 people standing in line to buy food. False. Russia said there were no troops in the city. We had no new information however reports from Ukrainian social media from inside the city report that a nationalist battalion shot the people as a false flag to blame Russia. They killed their own people!
Russian artillery hit Kharkiv, 21 killed, 28 wounded in two schools. False. Finally got some new information on this one. All casualties were soldiers. All schools are closed. Kids are in online learning if at all. Ukrainian troops are taking up residence in schools, as you can see.
Russia attacked an old folks home in Luhansk Province, killing 40 civilians.False. It appears that Ukrainian troops took over this facility and used the old people as human shields. When they took it over, they made all the staff leave but they let the old people stay for whatever reason. The Ukrainians used it as a base to fire on the LNR forces. LNR forces recaptured the old folks home from Ukraine, but 40 old people died in the attack. 15 survived. I blame Ukraine for using these people as human shields.
Ukraine destroyed a Russian ship.False. The ship is still sailing.
Russia gave residents and Ukrainian forces until this morning to get out of Mariupol.After that they were going in and they were going arrest everyone and put them on trial in military courts for war crimes. There are still 300,000 people in Mariupol. False. Those people support Russia! Why would Russia do this to them? This only applied to the Azov Battalion and the local officials who were working with them. They were given a chance to save their hides and get out without being arrested today. They refused to surrender so the war goes on.
Ukraine has tried to set up humanitarian corridors for Mariupol all week, but Russia keeps stopping them.False. The opposite is true. Russia has been setting up the corridors and Azov has not been letting people leave and shooting at people if they do.
Russia has destroyed Mariupol.False. Civilians fleeing blame Ukrainian forces for 85% of the damage to the city.
Mariupol is a gigantic war crime by Russia.False. 99% of fleeing civilians blame Ukraine and support Russia even after their city has been flattened. Only 1% go to Ukrainian territory. If it’s such a war crime, why do 99% of the people in the city support Russia?
Russia is going to use a tactical nuclear weapon.False. There’s no evidence and I’d be really surprised if they do. They only countries that use these horrible nuclear weapons are two of the worst countries on Earth, the US and (((Israel))). Those are the only countries low enough to do a crime like that. I see no reason for Russia to do this.
Ukraine is going to win the war.False. LOL don’t think so.
The war is stalemated.False. This is coming from the absolutely useless US military officials and military experts on TV, all of whom are completely useless because everything they say is a lie to make Russia look bad and make Ukraine look good. That’s not analysis. It’s propaganda and lies. Russia does not appear to be stalemated. Instead, they are taking their time and going very slowly in an attempt to preserve as many civilian lives as possible. Putin feels that Ukrainians are his brothers, so he instructed forces to preserve civilian lives to the extent that they could.
Russia is targeting civilians.False. That means deliberately targeting civilians just to kill them and for no other reason. I haven’t seen any evidence of Russia doing this even one time in this war. This is one of the most careful modern warfare efforts I’ve ever seen. It’s been a while since I’ve seen an army try to preserve civilian lives to this extent. Of course civilians get caught in crossfire, hit accidentally and are hit collaterally in attacks on military targets.
Russia attacked a shopping mall in Kiev with a missile, targeting a civilian target.False. Not really. Well, they did attack a mall, but they did it in the middle of the night when it was closed. The mall was used as a firing range for artillery. Military vehicles were stored inside the mall and there was a huge weapons depot in there too. It was a military target.
The Azov Battalion blew up a swimming pool in Mariupol, killing 80 civilians.Unknown. This is a claim from separatist sources. I have no information on this and I don’t know why 80 people would be in an (empty? indoors?) swimming pool anyway.
Russia is not letting buses into Mariupol to take civilians out nor is it allowing humanitarian trucks in.False. There is a long line of humanitarian trucks outside, all Russian. So Russia won’t let their own trucks in! Russian humanitarian aid is already in the city distributing food, so food is now getting into the city. I don’t know about the buses. Maybe it isn’t safe enough to let them in. But Russia has been allowing ~10,000 people/day to flee in cars in recent days.
Russia is violating the UN Charter by deliberately targeting civilians so the war is illegal.False. Russia’s not deliberately targeting civilians. In modern wars, civilians are almost always deliberately targeted anyway, so I’m confused why Russia is being singled out here. The US deliberately targets civilians in every war it fights to the best of my knowledge.
Russia is suffering 1,000 casualties a day.False. Probably not. I would estimate more like ~400-500, but I’m not sure.
(((Zelensky))) is trying desperately to negotiate a settlement to the war.False. LOL. The other day (((Zelensky))) said that he wanted Ukraine to join NATO right now and he asked NATO to let his country in immediately. Unfortunately, a country at war cannot join NATO. (((Zelensky))) has been saying for a while now that he won’t join NATO, then today he says he’s joining. As you can see, there’s nothing to negotiate.
This (((clown))) has to be one of the biggest liars in the universe.
That said, as awful as the Ukrainian Jews are, I suspect that Ukrainian Gentiles might be even worse. Those Jews don’t care about anything but money, (((as usual))). They’re mostly thieves and crooks and they use the fascist nationalists to stay in power. Furthermore a lot of Ukrainian Jews are fascists themselves or at least put on airs of such. Ukrainian Jews are Ukrainian nationalists. I just have no respect for Jews who get into bed with literal Nazis as part of some sleazy Machiavellian realpolitik or zero-sum game, sorry. If you’re a Jew, the least you can do is hate Nazis!
According to Turkey, Ukraine and Russia are near agreement on Ukraine being neutral, not joining NATO, demilitarizing, and denazifying. That leaves out Crimea and the separatist republics, which Russia will not negotiate away. False. Most people think this is not true. See Zelensky’s comments above for more on that.
They think the Turks are just lying to make themselves seem like super negotiators. The Turks like even more than those people, and that’s pretty bad! And they’re far worse human beings too, and that’s pretty bad too. Jews at least have good qualities. Turks don’t, or they don’t have enough to outweigh the bad. Turks are literally a fascist people. Not just a fascist state. Fascist people. Sort of like Ukrainians, you know.
Russia is bringing in Syrian mercenaries and other foreign fighters.False. Many antifascists have volunteered to fight fascism in Ukraine. 10,000 Chechens are already in the city. A contingent of South Ossetian volunteers just entered the country. Two planeloads full of Syrian government troops have volunteered to fight in Ukraine.
There are a number of Armenian volunteers too. Were the people who went to fight fascism in Spain in the Spanish Civil War mercenaries? Well of course not. Then neither are these people. I’m not sure where you draw the line between volunteers and mercenaries but they seem to be very different concepts.
Russia is going to resort to bringing in foreign fighters because they are desperate and losing.False. As noted, many foreigners have already volunteered to fight fascism on the side of the Russian antifascists. There are many volunteers in Russia too who are dying to go fight, but they have not received permission yet from the state.
The world is united against Russia.False. l12% of the world is against Russia and is sanctioning it. 88% of the world is not against Russia and they are not sanctioning the country. I never realized that 12% of the world, the West, was the only part of the world that existed, but I’m sure that’s how the West sees things.
Six or eight Russian generals have been killed so far.Unknown. One pro-Russian source says it’s not true, but in general there doesn’t seem to be any clarification on this one way or the other.
I used to be on Jewish and Israeli newsgroups that were full of Super Jews. Well, Super Jews and hardcore antisemites, who in my opinion fully deserve each other, as they have a lot in common. I can’t figure out which group was worse! I think they were both equally bad!
The Super Jews lied constantly, all day and all night, especially about Israel, and challenged every fact we threw out there, even those they knew were correct. They forced us to go track down everything we said, which took up all of our time. This was dirty because they knew full well that we were right but they were making us track down stuff just to wear us out.
They themselves put out lies all day long of course as is their wont. The lies were often about relatively obscure things that most people don’t know about, so these supposed facts were a bit shocking for us, as they added good weight to Israel’s arguments. But when we tried to track down the Jews’ “facts,” in almost every single case, they were lying.
But they were forcing us to spend all our time proving that they were lying and once again they were tiring us out. I think “tire them out so they quit” was just one of the many very dirty tactics they used on those groups, and they used every dirty trick in the book, trust me.
The first scene is high school girl young adults reciting fascist/Nazi slogans.
The second is a youth group of what looks like elementary school children reciting the same fascist/Nazi slogans. One of the problems in Ukraine the past eight years is that the fascists have started brainwashing the children with fascist propaganda very early in life. Most of the children are sent to nationalist youth camps where they are pumped full of nationalist propaganda.
The next segment shows the Maidan, where the most popular chants were “Hang the Russians! Drown the Poles! Stab the Jews!”
The next shows two young boys in a march by the fascist Slovoba Party kicking a Russian flag along the ground.
After that, we have two teenage girl young adults performing a skit with nationalist slogans that ends in “Death to the Russians!”Just out of curiosity, how old do you think those girls are? 13-15? They’re obviously teenage young adults. They’re not little girl children at all.
The final segment shows an entire subway car full of ordinary people chanting fascist chants. One man who protests and says, “Neo-Nazism is coming” is ridiculed as a freak.
The high school girls look like regular schoolgirls. The elementary school kids look like regular kids. The people at the Maidan are mostly young and ordinary people. The two girls doing the skit are quite ordinary. The entire subway car chanting fascist chants seem like ordinary, typical Ukrainians.
So you can see here that Ukrainian nationalism, which is obviously fascism while it may or may not be actual Nazi fascism of the Third Reich, is the basic reigning ideology of the state and of the Ukrainian people.
I would also point out that Nazi fascism simply means racist fascism. There are reportedly types of fascism that are not all that racist. Mussolinism in Italy was not particularly racist. Nor was Franco or Salazar to my recollection. Integralists in Brazil are multiracial, with Whites, Blacks, mulattos, mestizos, and zambos all included in a sort of multiracial Brazilian nationalist fascism.
All Ukie nationalists are fascists. Even these Jewish president are Ukrainian ultranationalists. They have both made some extreme, even genocidal statements against the Russian minority and they both formed close alliances with the nationalist Nazi militias. The Nazi militias are very weird as they have Jewish members. One member of the Azov Battalion is a rabbi. The Azov Battalion has a synagogue at their headquarters for Jewish fighters. Zelensky has praised Stepan Bandera to the skies as “one of the heroes of our nation.” This man murdered 200,000 Jews. So Ukrainian Jews are basically in bed with Nazis who keep them in power.
It is important to note that the “Cossack pogroms” that the Jews go on about were not limited to Cossacks of the Southern Don region of Russia. Granted, Cossack pogroms were not good for the Jews! I think that goes without saying. But Ukrainians and Poles in addition to Russians participated in this same type of antisemitic pogrom.
You notice how world Jewry is buddying up to Poles and Ukrainians while as usual disdaining Russians. This is because World Jewry is basically a Western phenomenon. Jews are part of the West, full stop, whether they think they are or not. The West is pro-Poland and Ukrainian and anti-Russian, so the Jews are just going along with the crowd.
Further, the Western Jews hold Russian antisemitism against the Russians while letting the Poles and Ukrainians off the hook. That’s a side effect of being part of the West too. It’s interesting that this only started with the formation of Israel and its turn to the West in 1949.
At the same time, the Communist bloc turned on Israel. Before then, Jews had been quite happy in the USSR mostly because antisemitism was very much frowned upon, allowing the Jews to prosper and flower. However you will notice that while in Israel, 75% of Jews are idiotically supporting the Nazis, the Israeli government has walked a very fine line of neutrality in this war.
Trying to find a “Jewish Question” in this Russo-Ukrainian War is a big mistake. World Jewry isn’t taking much of a stand on the war and its state is neutral. Yes there are some Jews on the Ukrainian side – some extremely sleazy Jews – but there are also rich Jews on the Russian side as there are Jews in the West taking the typical pro-Western side. This war is really about US and NATO imperialism and Russophobia and it’s rooted mostly in economics, as are most wars. If you can’t see that, you’re blind.
The Western Jews also been tenderized in the flesh by Christianity, so Jewish culture is not so Judaic anymore as it is Judeo-Christian. This sort of moderation has been good for the Jews in my opinion, as it has made them more humane. At the same time, many Christians in the West, especially in the US, have been Judaized. American Christians are not so much Christians as Judeo-Christians.
More importantly is that Ukrainian ultranationalism is mostly “Kill the Russians.” To a lesser extent, it is “Kill the Poles” and “Kill the Jews.” I’ve noticed that the Ukrainian Nazis don’t talk much about Jews for some reason. Now and then they talk about them, but the Jewish Question is mostly on the backburner. Ukrainian nationalism is all about “Ukraine for Ukrainians,” which means all Russians to Russia or the grave.
A new law was passed this year by Zelensky which denied all rights including citizenship to anyone who could not prove they were Ukrainian by blood, culture, or language. In this sense, Ukrainian nationalism is also hostile to the Greeks around Mariupol and the Hungarians in Bessarabia. These national minorities have been tormented by nationalist militias since 2014.
The cries of “Slava Ukraini! (Glory to Ukraine!) Slava Nasi! (Glory to the nation!) Glory to the heroes! Death to the enemies! Ukraine above all! One nation – one motherland – Ukraine! Hang the Russians! Death to the Russians!” now recited by “liberal” Nancy Pelosi and Zelensky himself in his speech to the Canadian Parliament are absolutely fascist or even Nazi slogans.
So Nancy Pelosi when she got up in Congress and said “Slava Ukraini!” was reciting a fascist/Nazi slogan. So was Zelensky when he issued the same cry to the Canadians. So we see here a Jewish president and a very liberal US Democrat both reciting fascist or Nazi slogans.
This is what the West has devolved into – a Goddamned Nazi sewer.
You see, in a number of these countries, they never really had an actual nation. They were always a part of some empire or duchy or whatever. The real nation-building process was quite recent. Since they never really had a history as a nation, they had to build a nationalist project more or less out of thin air or at least out of castles of sand.
Hence the national heroes of these places goes back to World War 2, when the Nazis promised the Baltics, Belorussians, and Ukrainians with independence from the USSR. The USSR had just recently taken over the Baltic states in order to have strategic depth against the Nazis. The Ukrainians had been independence-minded, at least in the west, since the Bolshevik Revolution. These nationalists claimed that the USSR and Russia have always dismissed the idea that they have separate countries. While in the USSR, nationalist aspirations were largely forbidden and played down.
After the USSR took the Balts away from the Nazis and incorporated them into the USSR, they lost the independence they had had during the interwar period. They claimed that the USSR did not allow them to develop their national languages but that does not seem correct. Anyway, the USSR and Russia were always seen as the thorn in the side of the national aspirations of these peoples.
Since they never had much of a recent history, most of the nationalist heroes of Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Ukraine end up being some nationalist Nazi collaborator from 1942 named Vyashlev the Jewslayer or something along those lines. There are statues and monuments to these guys all over these countries with the exception of Belarus. At the same time, all of the Soviet era statues, including to heroes of the Great Patriotic War, have been torn down or vandalized.
The Litts (Lithuanians), Letts (Latvians), and Ukrainians were the biggest Nazi collaborators of all of the national groups in the region.
Poland and Finland are extreme Russia-haters for nationalist reasons, but the Poles don’t like Nazis, and I don’t think the Finns are all that Nazi. Poles hate Communism, in part for religious reasons of extreme Catholicism.
In Hungary, the right wing has Nazi tendencies. The Hungarians had a sort of nation long before the modern era. A fascist dictator named Horthy ruled Hungary in the interwar period and during WW2. I believe he was a Nazi collaborator. The leader of Hungary, Victor Orban, has praised Horthy. The nationalists here are Nazis, but they are not a large movement. The party is called Fideliz and its origins are in the Red Arrow of WW2. They are Nazis.
Romanian nationalists are descendants of the Iron Cross of WW2, but they are not very popular for some reason. I believe Romania has been a national idea for some time. Also, they are Orthodox. Czechoslovakia is another national idea that has been around a long time. Nationalists are not popular in either country, as you can see in the amicable breakup they had into two separate states.
Belarussian nationalists are Nazis, but they are not popular. They only get 20-25% of the vote. This is because Belarus is rather new in terms of national ideas.
Croatian nationalists are absolutely Nazis, descendants of the Ustasha collaborationist regime. That’s why Communist Yugoslavia cracked down so hard on them. They are also Catholics. The recent president Franz Tudjman was absolutely a fascist, though I don’t think he was a Nazi. Over there, Croatian nationalism often just boils down to “Serb-hater.”
There is a racial aspect to Ukrainian nationalism. It holds that the true Ukrainians are a sort of Aryanized Germano-Scandinavian people, descendants of the Kievan Rus, which was after all settled by Swedes.
The others, the Slavs (Russians) are simply undermenscen to be destroyed. So they copied Nazi racial ideas and said that they were not Slavs to get away form Nazi anti-Slavic theory. The Slavs were hated by the Germans mostly because the Nazis saw all of them as Communists. They were also said to have a “slave (Slav) mentality” (see Nietzsche) which made them too weak to resist against Communism. The Ukrainian nationalists also saw Russians as Communists.
Ukrainian nationalists hated Jews because they saw the Jews as the leading edge of Soviet imperialism (anti-Ukrainian nationalism) and Bolshevism. In other words, they were following the Judeo-Bolshevik theory of the Nazis. It is true that Ukrainian Jews were passionate Communists at this time, in part because the USSR cracked down so heavily on antisemitism.
As I mentioned earlier, Ukraine or Malorussia (literally Small Russia but in this context Central Russia) has long been seen as a land of bandits and robbers, a lawless place. This tradition continues today with oligarchs robbing the place blind. An anarchist named Makho was a Ukrainian in the Russian Civil War. Originally allied with the Soviets, he turned on them during the war and led and anarchist rebellion. Makho is also seen by Russians as a typical Ukrainian. He was a bandit before he was an anarchist, and anarchism is associated with lawlessness and chaos, hence he’s an archetypal Ukrainian.
There is another culture war going on here, and that is the Roman Catholic West versus the Istanbul (or Antioch) Eastern Orthodox. Few people realize this but the Catholic Crusaders killed as many Orthodox Christians in Palestine as Muslims. They were seen as heathens. Afterwards, another sort of Catholic crusader in the form of German crusaders attacked the Orthodox communities to the northeast. And it looks like they converted them to Catholicism while they were at it. The German crusaders saw the people to the northeast as forest-dwelling barbarians and heathens.
Western Catholics again attacked the Orthodox in the East under Napoleon, and once again were beaten back. The result in part was two Russian borrowings in the French language – bistro and douche (the original French “water toilet”).
The Germans in World War 2 and their Roman Catholic collaborators were seen as another in the line of Western Catholic attacks on the Orthodox East.
In Ukraine, this also has a religious form as the Ukrainian Orthodox Church split from the Russian Orthodox Church at some point and became what some see as a heretical schismatics. They adopted a sort of “Greek Catholicism” (I’m not even sure what that is, but supposedly it’s a heretical schismatic split from the Orthodox) and allied themselves with Roman Catholicism and the West against the Russian and Russian Orthodox Church of the East. The Ukrainian Nazi nationalist battalions often attack Orthodox churches for some reason. I’m not entirely sure why they do that.
So as you can see, there is a lot of history going on here.
Polar Bear: Yesterday at work, a Black woman defended a worthless Black and a woman with mental illness defended a guy with at least three mental illnesses. We all have biases, to see beyond them is rare. Men are more into truth and logic, parting the sea of emotion. Women are mostly swept away like ragdolls by the current in a flood of tears.
That’s tribal thinking. I don’t want to fall into that. I’ve often said about White nationalists that I can’t understand why the death of a White by a Black is more important to them than the death of a decent Black person by a Black. Why? Because they’re a member of my tribe? Did I know them? Did they do anything for me? They’d probably dislike me if I met them? Do I get a check from White Central Control every month so I should support all Whites? Why should I feel more for this guy just because he’s White. But he’s just like me! He’s White and I’m White! Goes the argument. And…?
This is supposed to be important or something? We’re not the same. He’s dead and I’m not. Why does his death diminish me more than the death of some good Black person? I just can’t fathom this type of thinking. Of course, being on the Left, I spent a lot of my time working my way out of tribal thinking. And I’ve always been a dissident and an iconoclast who was on the outs with mainstream opinion on most things. So I don’t care about peer pressure because I’m used to believing stuff that 80% of the world disagrees with.
Why Should I Believe Things That Aren’t Even True?
I dunno. Why should I believe something that’s not even true? I keep asking myself this over and over when I try to find out what actually happened, for good or for ill, for my side of the bad guys. I can’t think of any possible reason why I should believe lies about…much of anything! Everyone seems to be happy to, but it’s not for me.
Setting aside the metaphysical and religious where we all have our egoistic reasons to believe in what may well be falsehoods, and setting aside what one believes about oneself and society at large, I want to believe what’s true and disbelieve what’s not true. It’s ok to tell yourself as many lies as you have to about yourself and others to get along.
You may need to tell yourself enough lies to make it through the day without killing yourself, have a peaceful sleep, and look at yourself in the mirror in the morning without wanting to smash it. You may have to lie about others, saying they are wonderful when they are not, playing down their bad qualities, etc. You may have to lie about society by saying it’s the best of possible worlds when in fact your own life may be a shit sandwich to be swallowed whole, dammit! These are the prosaic, quotidian, metaphysical, social, personal, and religious aspects of life.
What I want to know the truth about is what I see on TV. The news, the facts, the everyday local, national, and political issues (in a word, Politics) that make our world go round. And in science too, I wish to know what is true and what is not true. Why should I believe a bunch of crap just because it makes me feel good or because I want my guys to be pure and the other guys to be evil? Forget it.
I’m not that weak! I can handle it if what I want to be true is not and vice versa. It’s ok. I can deal. I can handle it if my guys act bad and the other side acts good, although not too much please. But I support Assad in Syria and I’m the first to admit that he acts pretty damn bad. But this is what I wanted to know about him – precisely how bad he was and in which ways and what aspects of his purported evil were not true.
Believe it or not, the CIA does not want to believe any lies or so I have been told. There is what the CIA puts out for the masses, which is often a pile of the biggest steaming pile of crap you’ve ever seen. This is often put out via the media and the CIA itself even calls this material disinformation. The CIA people in charge of it know it’s all lies but they don’t care.
Then there is what the CIA puts out for itself. The CIA does not want to believe any crap or falsehoods about the world and the things it is analyzing. They have to know the truth, dammit! If you begin your analysis from a point of falsehood, your analysis is already flawed. And the CIA is all about proper analysis.
I’m on the Left, but I’m willing to acknowledge that leftwing regimes have done some pretty bad things. I support the Democrats, but I’m more than willing to acknowledge how awful they are. I’m a man, but I’m willing to acknowledge how generally awful we are as humans and how terribly we behave towards other humans (on the other hand, I still love being a man).
I’m White, but I’m willing to acknowledge that we Whites have treated non-Whites pretty terribly. I’m straight, but I acknowledge how homophobia has seriously harmed gays in the past. None of this is threatening to me. Why should it be. You have to know the dark side if you wish to walk in the light. By learning of the bad tendencies of Whites, men, straights, etc., I can see what I am vulnerable to and generally try to act in the opposite way. You can’t understand good until you understand evil and that they are two sides of the same coin.
Further, I don’t wish to be a hypocrite. Face it, humans are hypocrites. It’s just what we are, flat out, full stop, period. Perhaps we have to be this way. But hypocrisy seems to be one of the worst aspects of being human. There’s almost no way to justify it morally.
What will happen if my guys (the good guys) are losing and their guys (the bad guys) are winning? Nothing. The world will simply be a pile of shit, but I’m perfectly ok with that because that seems to be the dispensation for most of my life. I can be perfectly happy believing that the world is a pile of shit and that most people are complete idiots. Doesn’t mess up my day at all. I don’t need to believe that the world is some wonderful place for me to eke out some meager happiness in it.
Also, I’m used to depressing and disappointing things in my life. You might say it’s my life story. So when something lousy happens, it’s not a shock to me. It’s just the same old same old. That life often seems rather lousy is not that upsetting to me. I’ve felt this way forever. I simply try to escape from it by doing fun things all day so I can forget about all the lousiness. I focus on other things.
Just to show you how unbiased I am, on the Russian sites I am on, I am regarded as a pest and a troll because I often post things that go against the current narrative. The news de jour on those sites typically portrays Russian advances as much more advanced than I think they are. I chime in that no, we have not advanced that far at all. I share maps from viciously anti-Russian sites not because I like them but because I think they are accurate.
My brother often says, “Aha!” and thinks he wins arguments against me because I admitted that my side did something bad – lied, killed people, tortured people, acted horribly. According to my brother and most NPC’s, if you admit that your side did something bad, you automatically lost the argument because he will never admit that about his side.
Because my brother is a typical NPC. His side is pure good and the other side is pure evil. Anything that goes against that world view is “enemy propaganda.” He dismisses anything from the Left, Russia, North Korea, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Belarus, Lebanon, Iraq, or China as automatically false if it doesn’t back up his views.
These are enemy nations and he rejects everything they say unless they make themselves look bad and his side look good, in which case they are somehow correct. Just about everyone is exactly like he is. Keep in mind that he has a 140+ IQ and a Master’s Degree. He’s also just about the most closed-minded person I’ve ever met, with the possible exception of my father, a Cold War liberal who also had a Master’s Degree.
Most Americans probably can’t even find Ukraine on a map. How do you expect them to be able to think critically about it?
CLAVDIVS AMERICANVS: So Time Magazine less than 2 years ago admitted there are neo-Nazis in Ukraine’s east, namely the Azov Battalion. Again, I believe you that there are nah-tsees in dah you-crane but I did not see a Nazi (lol) elsewhere. Seriously, the country is not overrun by the Hitlerjugend.
You just hate right-wingers and see the devil everywhere they gather. Putin is a mass murder who decimated Grozny with impunity. A few Hitler-hailin’ dickheads in Eastern Ukraine aren’t a real threat to anybody but the locals. And considering Putin already controlled Crimea and Donbass, he could have killed the Nazis there. Shelling other cities is not justifiable.
First of all, conservatives in most parts of the world are not really Nazis. However, rightwingers in Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine, Belarus, Croatia, Romania, Hungary, France, Germany, Slovenia, Sweden, Bulgaria, Austria can absolutely be Nazis, thought most rightwingers in the more western of these nations are not Nazis.
In the East it is different, and conservatism in those eastern countries simply tends to be Nazism. Nazism is a phenomenon of White Europeans, and there’s about zero support for it in most other parts of the world, though there are a few Nazis in places like Argentina, the UK, the US, Bolivia, Chile, India, Mongolia, and a few other places.
There aren’t really many Nazis left in the Donbass. Members of Nazi battalions, when captured by the separatists, were slowly beaten and tortured to death over a period of a day or time. Most of the pro-Ukies took off, but all of the rest of them went over to the separatists because the Ukie occupiers pissed so many people off.
Most of the Nazis in Crimea, what few were even there, presumably took off after independence. Keep in mind that when the “little green men” took over Crimea, the entire Ukrainian Army stationed in Crimea immediately surrendered to Russia. However, there is still some opposition to Russia in Crimea because when the Russians started this war, there was even some armed resistance in Crimea!
Ukraine Has a Nazi Problem, to Put It Mildly
It’s hard to say how many Nazis there are as so many “non-Nazis” go along with the Nazis due to fear, peer pressure, propaganda, or other reasons. The 20% of Ukrainians in Western Ukraine east of Kiev are absolutely Nazis, every last one of them. This is the homeland of Ukrainian nationalism.
Up to 33% of Ukrainians have extreme, almost fanatical, anti-Russian views. Though not strictly Nazis, they could be seen as Nazis in a “kill the Russians” sense. Plus they go along with the Nazis.
So 20-33% of Ukrainians are pretty much out and out Nazis or at least Ukrainian nationalist fascists of one type or another, and many of the rest are terrorized into going along with them. That’s not enough to make Ukraine a Nazi country, but it’s enough to make it so it has a severe Nazi problem.
Three Ukrainian Regions – East, Center, and South
Eastern and Southern Ukraine are Russian. This is where the separatists are or at least they are in the East in the Donbass. If they put the entire area east of the Dniper to a plebiscite, I’m pretty sure that they would vote to secede from Ukraine. Only part of this region, the Donbass, is now separate.
The area west of the Dniper and east of Kiev is called Central Ukraine, and it is completely different. It’s not really Nazi but it’s not pro-Russian at all. It’s pro-Ukrainian government. They’re somewhere in the middle of the pro-Russian East and the Nazi West.
But they are not pro-Russian at all, and Russia will have a very hard time occupying this place because the population will be so hostile.
The only place Russia can occupy is the South and the East, and they are having problems with anti-Russian demos right now.
Occupying Nazi Western Ukraine will be almost impossible because the population will be insanely hostile. I don’t know how they will do it. They probably won’t. But it will be a perennial problem. If the East goes independent or strongly pro-Russian, which is probable, and the Center is controlled by a pro-Russian demilitarized, neutral, and at least somewhat denazififed state, as is possible if difficult to carry out, the idea would be for Russia to say the Hell with the Nazi West.
Problem is all the Nazis in the rest of the country will flee there. And lots of advanced weapons are pouring in there, so it’s full of powerful weapons and armed to the teeth. Not to mention the population are already Nazi fanatics for a good 80 years now ever since 1941 and maybe even before from 1932 and the famine. The temptation is to say the Hell with it and let this Nazi state fester.
A new rump Ukraine state will be formed there, and I believe that NATO forces may even move in in large numbers to occupy it. It will then become a new “Ukraine” with the same dynamic in place – endless weapons supplies and NATO training to turn it into a cat’s paw to attack Russia with, although Russia will now have some geographic depth with Novorussia in the east and the pacified state in the center.
An insurgency against the Center and the East is already planned there, as all US factions from “right” to “center” to “left” are in agreement about bogging down Russia in a new Syria or Afghanistan. Call it the Syrianization of Ukraine. So the Ukraine problem of 2014-present will simply move from Ukraine to Western Ukraine. At some point, Russia might have to go into Western Ukraine to clean those Nazis out, and it won’t be pretty.
Hitlery Clinton has already come out in support of Syrianization, as has (((Victoria Nuland))) who pretty much singlehandedly created this whole mess. Her husband is (((Donald Kagan))), one of the craziest, most vicious, and blood-drenched neocons of them all. They both installed (((Yatzeniuk))) as President, a fanatical Russia-hating nationalist and oligarch. So there’s a bit of an (((angle))) here as there is with so many lousy things, but that’s not the whole story, and this is what crazy antisemites miss.
These are just American Jewish neocons. They don’t represent Israel or American Jewry at all. Mostly they are just fanatical US imperialists. They’ve hitched themselves to US imperialism, but almost all US Gentiles are in the same sheep flock.
The Democratic Party and Joe Biden Started This War
(((Nuland))) is a neocon Clintonite.
When Biden came in, he brought back the neocons, many of whom had been thrown out by isolationist Trump. Both parties have a vast neocon faction, almost all of it Gentile, though a number of the leaders are Jewish.
Hence, anti-Russian policy was vastly ramped up. If Trump was still in, this war would not have happened. But the Democrats radically ramped up the aggression against Russia because the Democrats are now the McCarthyite party of Russia-haters, while Republicans are split between a base that is both pro- and anti-Russia, even if Republican politicians are whores with fingers to the wind who have no basic values at all other than “zero sum game” and “win at any cost.” So Biden and the Democratic Party’s foreign policy is worse than the Republicans, and Biden and the Democrats pretty much started this war.
A Recent Historical View of the Ukrainian Nazi Infestation
There are plenty of Nazis in Central Ukraine too, especially after eight years of incessant Nazi propaganda. It’s started to effect people, and even ordinary Ukies are a lot more anti-Russian and pro-Nazi than they were eight years ago. Also a lot of the Russian speakers simply left, especially the ones in the South and East.
It was like this all over the Donbass inside and outside of the separatist regions. Many of these people are coming home now on the backs of advancing Russian troops, and they are quite happy to be home.
The reason for the anti-Russian protests in the South is due to a variety of reasons.
First, many men are veterans of the war in the East.
Second, many Ukies have relatives or neighbors in the military currently fighting the Russians.
Third, eight years of brainwashing works.
Fourth, many people may have turned pro-Ukie and anti-Russian to avoid persecution.
Fifth, most of the Russian speakers took off.
The result is you now have quite a few pro-Ukies in the South, but they are still a minority. The majority are still Russian speakers, but they have been quiet and holed up inside for eight years, and a lot of them left and will presumably return. But there are definitely pro-Ukies in the West and even some in the East.
There Are No Pro-Ukrainians Left in the Donbass
When the operation in the Donbass started, the Ukie troops came in as liberators taking back the separatist zones for Ukraine. About 20% of the population greeted them at the entrances with cheers. So 20% of the population under the separatists were anti-separatist, but the separatists never did much about this.
However, the Ukies conquered a lot of those towns but were never able to control them. The separatists fought an extremely dirty guerrilla war, not wearing uniforms, hiding among the population in yards and houses, jumping fences from house to house, on and on.
The Ukies would be lured into rooms where there were women and children present so the Ukies thought it was OK to come in. Then a hidden separatist would jump out and attack the Ukie soldiers. Obviously this endangered the women and kids too. There were booby-traps and hidden bombs everywhere.
The Ukies eventually decided that there was no way they were going to defeat them because they were too deeply rooted in the population. They also said that after months of brutal occupation, the entire pro-Ukie 20% had gone over to the separatists. The Ukies themselves admitted that they had no support in these towns and everyone was with the enemy. They described the situation as hopeless.
About half of the Donetsk and Lugansk states were controlled by the Ukies after they pushed the separatists out and them. Indeed the separatists were about ready to be defeated when Russia poured in and reversed the losses.
The Nazification of the Supposedly Non-Nazi Sectors of Ukrainian Society
Generals of the supposedly non-Nazi Army have been photographed with the Nazi Azov Battalion.
Four eight years now, members of the supposedly non-Nazi government, intelligentsia, and media have repeatedly made homicidal and genocidal statements along the lines of “kill the Russians” and “exterminate the Russians.” These statements are all documented.
There were five men negotiating for the Ukrainians with the Russians in these recent peace talks. One of the men, one of the most powerful men in the country, wanted to sue for peace and give in to Russian demands. In downtown Ukraine he was pulled out of his car by the Ukrainian SBU Intelligence Agency and executed with a shot to the head for “treason.”
Hackers hacked into the SBU database and found a list of pro-Russian leaders in the Donbass. There was extensive information on each one. It is believed that this is a kill list.
The SBU is supposedly non-Nazi.
They’re all through the main and local governments. A while back, the Vice President, an Assistant Vice President, a member of the National Security Council, the Interior Minister, the Defense Minister, the Head of the Intelligence Agency were all Nazis. All in a supposedly non-Nazi government.
The Azov Battalion are not the only Nazis, and they have Jewish supporters and members. They even have a tiny synagogue in their headquarters for their Jewish members. There are quite a few other Nazi groups. Svoboda, the Right Sector, the Azov, Adair, and Dniper Battalions and C14, a White Supremacist Nazi group that may be led by a Jew.
The Jewish president Zelensky is controlled by the Nazis. Ukraine is run by a combination of Jewish money and Nazi muscle. Zelensky tried to go against the Nazis, but after a year they had a meeting with him and told him that if he didn’t go along with them, they’d assassinate him. Zelensky presently has a very strong relationship with the Azov Battalion and has been photographed with them.
I think the nationalists just use those Jews as democratic window dressing on what is basically a fascist authoritarian state or dictatorship. It helps that they are Jewish as it helps them to deflect charges of antisemitism.
Furthermore, the “non-Nazi” parties are pretty damned Nazi. They passed laws ending Russian as an official language, banning Russian from public and introduced laws forbidding the speaking of Russian in public and forbidding Russian speakers from working for the government. All of this by a supposedly non-Nazi Parliament from supposedly non-Nazi parties.
When the new government came in, the supposedly non-Nazi government outlawed the Communist Party, went around smashing down all the Soviet statues and outlawed the largest party of the Russian speakers, the Party of Regions. Together the two parties made up half the population. So the new “democratic” government immediately outlawed the entire opposition! Before that, there were threats against members of the Party of Regions, and some of them were murdered by the Nazis. The supposedly non-Nazi government looked the other way.
There were murders of Communists. Nazis attacked a Communist labor union, chained 35 of its members to heaters, and set it on fire. This was in Kiev. There was an attempt to kill the leader of the Party of Regions by setting his house on fire. They set his neighbor’s house on fire. He fled to Russia.
There were attacks and threats against all of the major intellectual and political leaders of the Russian speakers. Some were beaten, others imprisoned, some murdered, and all of them have now fled to Russia. The Russian speakers have no intellectual, media, political presence. The supposedly non-Nazi government did nothing to stop any of these attacks.
In Odessa, the Nazis attempted a false flag on members of a Communist labor union who holed themselves up in an a mansion. The Nazis invaded the mansion, murdered some of the resisters and set the rest on fire. They were egged on by a vast crowd of purported non-Nazi Ukrainians. The supposedly non-Nazi government, NATO, and the US all said it never happened and tried to cover it up. The entire supposedly non-Nazi US media went along with it.
There were jokes all over the Ukraine about burning Colorado beetles (Russians are called Colorado beetles due to their flag). The millions of Ukrainians making these jokes were supposedly non-Nazis.
The most popular rallying cry heard at the Maidan was, “Hang the Russians, drown the Poles, stab the Jews!” This was that great “democratic” revolution that Americans love that was actually a violent CIA coup that murdered scores of people to overthrow the pro-Russian government. Maidan was supposedly a non-Nazi revolution, and indeed, though only 8% of the Maidan were Nazis, their cries were very popular with the supposedly non-Nazi crowds. The Nazis have said that without their violence, the Maidan would not have succeeded.
In Mariupol, Nazis beat, tortured, and murdered Russian speakers. Russian speakers were imprisoned. Then the Nazis went to their homes and ordered them out at gunpoint. Then whoever was left took off. Mariupol is supposedly a non-Nazi city.
In parts of the now-liberated Donbass, separatists are finding torture chambers run by the Nazi Aidar Battalion. It was here that many Russian speakers were imprisoned, tortured and murdered. This area was under the control of the supposedly non-Nazi Ukrainian Army
In other areas of the South, the same thing happened. Many Russian-speakers were simply murdered early on by the Nazis, and most of the rest fled. That’s why you are seeing pro-Ukie demonstrations there. These are supposedly non-Nazi cities.
White nationalists, White Supremacists, and neo-Nazi volunteers from France, Germany, Canada, Slovenia, Estonia, and Belarus have been flooding into Ukraine in the last eight years to fight the separatists. They all joined the Nazi nationalist battalions. They went there to fight “Communism” because these retards think “Russians are Communists.” The supposedly non-Nazi government let them in to fight Russians.
Kharkov isn’t even part of the Donbass, but after 2014, Ukrainian nationalists took over this Russian-speaking city. Hundreds of Russian speakers there were tortured and murdered by the Ukrainian SBU intelligence agency in basements and dungeons of that city. Keep in mind that this agency is supposedly non-Nazi.
Countless supposedly non-Nazi parents send their children to Nazi Ukrainian nationalist summer camps where they learn to chant Nazi slogans about killing Russians. There are children’s books in supposedly non-Nazi Ukrainian schools that sing the praises of the OUN, a Ukrainian nationalist WW2 army that killed 200,000 Jews, 40,000 Poles, and countless Russians.
There are statues all over the supposedly non-Nazi Ukraine to the Nazi war heroes of the Ukrainian nationalists. All of the heroes of Ukrainian nationalists were Nazis. Countless supposedly non-Nazi Ukrainians, often members of supposedly non-Nazi nationalist youth groups, pay homage to these heroes at their monuments every year. The supposedly Ukrainian Orthodox Church commemorates a certain Ukrainian nationalist on a certain day of the year. He was a Nazi war criminal.
The chants “Glory to Ukraine” or “Slava Ukraine”, “Glory to the Nation”, “Death to the Enemies” and “Knives for the Moskals (Russians)” are chanted all the time by millions of supposedly non-Nazi Ukrainians.
Supposedly non-Nazi intellectuals have gone on supposedly non-Nazi TV channels and stated that the Donbass was overpopulated and 1.5 million Russians would have to be exterminated. The particular TV station is run by Kolomoisky, the richest man in the country who now lives in Israel. He is Jewish. It was an airplane from his airport that shot down that M17 jet in the false flag to blame Russia. He funds the Nazi nationalist Dniper Battalion, and I’m told that he helps fund all of the Nazi battalions in the country. Yes, that is correct. The richest man in the country, a Jew, funds all of the Nazi nationalist battalions.
Please note that there has been pretty much zero prosecution of the nationalist battalions for all of these crimes.
This is an old piece but people are still commenting on it so I will republish it with an extensive introduction.
John Engelman is a race realist liberal who was a frequent commenter on the White nationalist American Renaissance. He’s not a White nationalist. He’s just a liberal who got mugged by Blacks several times, the last time leaving him with permanent injuries. He’s the proverbial “liberal who’s been mugged by life.”
As the old saw goes, White liberals are all liberals until they get mugged by a Black.” After that, maybe not so much. Nevertheless, I think he is wrong here.
I do not think agriculture was innovated in Babylonia 11,000 YBP. It would be news to me. I’ve always heard it was simultaneously innovated 9,000 YBP in three different places, though the latest information is that agriculture was actually innovated by Africans 12,000 YBP, starting with proto-agriculture in fencing off fields of edible foods (yes, that is proto-agriculture).
The Indians in California nearly cultivated individual oak trees for their acorns. I told my mother they way they treated those trees and the ground around them and asked her if that was agriculture. She said, “Not really, but it sure is awful close.” Keep in mind that agriculture does not necessarily involve sticking seeds in the ground.
Another fallacy is that because Africans, Papuans, etc. have quite low IQ’s now and are behind Whites and Asians, that this means it has always been way. This is a backwards projection of White Supremacist. “Whites are better now, so we’ve always better!” Not necessarily so! No one knows what the IQ’s of any groups were long ago, and higher IQ’s in Whites and Asians may well be a quite new development far along into the Holocene.
Furthermore, like it or not, Africans truly innovated almost all of the most important aspects of human civilization. Language, fire, stone tools, toys, agriculture, animal husbandry, art, decoration, jewelry, fishing with hooks, sewing – it all came out of Africa first, every single bit of it. When you see a Black person, you’re not looking at some alien species. You’re looking at your oldest grandparent of them all.
All humans came from African Blacks. For some reason, the idea that “Grandpa was a nigger” is insulting to White Nationalists, who go to great lengths to try to show that OOA is not true. This shows the extreme insecurity that lies at the base of all supremacism.
I told a Chinese commenter about this and he laughed and said Chinese people didn’t care if they came from Blacks. He said, “If you go back further than that, we were all frogs. We Chinese are just the latest model.” I told my mother what he said and how it differed from the insecurity of White Supremacists, and she said, “See! That proves that Asians are smarter than Whites. We Whites aren’t all that smart, you know.” I don’t know about that, but we are apparently more secure.
Also although the Out of Africa people left Africa at least 60,000 YBP, they didn’t progress all that much in the meantime, and in fact, they continued to resemble Blacks for a long time. Most of the OOA people looked like Aborigines, Papuans, Negritos, and Melanesians until quite recently. The earliest White man looks like some sort of an ugly freak, resembling an African Bushman most of all. 20,000 years ago, Europeans looked like the Makah Indians of Washington State in skull structure. Go look at them. They look like Asiatics.
A Swedish girl from several thousand years ago has green eyes and quite dark, though not Black, skin. I’m not aware of any important human innovations that the OOA people made until the Holocene that were not made in Africa. Yes, they had arrowheads, but I think Africans had those too. The advancements of the White and Asian man, while impressive, are quite recent indeed.
European Whites have only appeared in the last 9,000 years. All “Whites” before then looked something like Arabs. So in a way, Arabs are “the oldest Whites of them all.” South Indian Dravidians and some odd-looking North Africans like Moabites may also be the remains of the most primitive Whites. The claimed achievements of Mesopotamia 11,000 YBP that the White Supremacists like to harp on were done by Arabs at a time when all Whites looked like Arabs. And White nationalists say Arabs are non-Whites or at the very least are
“mongrels” or “off-Whites.” So there.
John Engelman: Agriculture and civilization select a race for intelligence. Caucasians began agriculture about eleven thousand years ago. We began civilization about five thousand years ago. Negroes only adopted agriculture about four thousand years ago. They never developed their own civilizations. They have only recently been exposed to White civilization.
Agriculture was probably developed by Africans before it was developed by anyone else. There is evidence for agriculture or pre-agriculture in Africa (West African Guinea Highlands) as early as 12,000 YBP. You must realize that Africans originated many things that we as humans do.
The next to develop agriculture were the Mayans (corn), the Chinese (rice), and the Papuans (yams), all at 9,000 YBP. The Egyptians and Mesopotamians were not far behind. Africans even had plantation agriculture as early as 900 CE in Tanzania. I doubt if Caucasians developed agriculture 11,000 YBP. Are we referring to Mesopotamia, the Levant, or Egypt here?
Animal husbandry was also developed very early on in Africa. It may have been developed in the Western Sahara before anywhere else on Earth. A figure of 9,000 YBP is suggested for animal husbandry in the Sahara. However, pigs may have been domesticated in Papua around this time also. Animal husbandry was widespread in Africa, particularly in the Sahara, the Sahel and Ethiopia, on contact. I don’t know much about animal husbandry further south, but I have heard there was a shortage of animals to domesticate.
At any rate, the invention of the hoe and subsequent hoe agriculture along with the spear played a major role in the history of Africa. Both derived from the early development of metallurgy in the form or iron. Indeed, the Iron Age came to Africa before it came to Europe. The development of iron metallurgy and the subsequent creation of those two iron tools allowed the Bantus to expand massively all over Central and South Africa in only the last 2-3,000 years.
Africans definitely had civilizations, that’s for sure. Mostly in West Africa but quite a few in the Sahel too. There was even a civilization in Rhodesia. Early European explorers drew drawings of large African cities. Looks like civilization to me. Civilizations were especially common in Nigeria. They had manufacture, trade, agriculture for export, all sorts of things.
It looks something like this. This is from a commenter who just appeared on my site. He will banned. If you go over to unz.com, a majority of the commenters on just about any post are about like this guy. And far too many of the articles are something along these lines. Unz is a Jew and why he allows this Nazi-style fanatical conspiratorial and obsessive antisemitism on there is beyond me. He even pushes it himself. Has he converted out? Does he have a death wish?
I hate to genocide-monger and Holocaust-scream. That’s what hysterical Jews do. But when antisemitism reaches a certain fever pitch, it’s the real deal, and trust me, this sort of antisemitism (which usually shades into Nazism) is definitely not good for the Jews. Homicide, mass murder, and even genocide of Jews has historically tailed this sort of talk.
I don’t mind critique of Jews or even limited antisemitism. “Water-cooler antisemitism” is fine with me. In fact, it’s virtually normal Gentile behavior. Jews are pretty hard people to like!But even there it would be better to limit your distaste for the group itself and keep an open mind about Jewish individuals, who in my experience are often great folks. Go ahead and dislike the group, but give the individual a chance. It’s only human.
But I won’t put up with homicidal or genocidal Nazi antisemitism. Another word for this type of antisemitism is obsessive, conspiratorial antisemitism. This sort of thing is not a Left value, nor is it an Alt Left value. On the other hand, cultural critique is fine and all ethnic groups are up for grabs as far as that goes.
I’m a weird person. I look at most every argument I come across with an open mind to see if it’s true. And I look at this sort of antisemitism with an open mind too. I will never agree to murder or even harm Jewish people for being Jewish, so that’s not up for grabs. But I always analyze this sort of thing with the idea of “Is what these people say about Jews actually true?” If what they say is true, then I will have no choice but to believe it. I still won’t want to kill them, but I’d have to admit that wild antisemites are right and Jews are just evil.
My careful opinion after reading this sort of thing for many years is that it’s basically nonsense. It’s simply not true. The problems of Whites are not being caused by a bunch of Jews. It’s capitalists who are parasitical, not Jews. Jews are White even if they won’t admit it. And they are smart. Jews don’t even run the media anymore. They did for a long time, but now the media is mostly run by these huge faceless multinational corporations who are into movies, music, TV, etc. too.
When I do my media research, I see a lot of media companies are being run by Gentiles. Have you noticed that the tone of the media doesn’t change one bit when ownership goes from Jewish to Gentile. I have. The media has a single mindset and media Jew and media Gentiles all pretty much think alike. I haven’t even seen coverage of Israel and the Middle East change that. The big media Gentiles are just as Zionist as the big media Jews. This implies that in the US, Zionism is simply a philosophy of the power elite, the rich and the corporations. Zionist power is American power. They’re tied at the hip.
Yes, Facebook censors the Israel-Palestine conflict because the owner is Jewish. But Gentile Twitter is just as censorious on the subject last time I checked.
Jews aren’t “forcing Whites out of their homes and businesses.” Good God, whatever gave him that idea?
Jews do not run America’s welfare, education and employment bureaucracies, sorry. Gentiles do, not that it matters.
To the extent that Whites are struggling and having problems, it’s due to a crisis in capitalism, not due to a bunch of Jews!
See why they call antisemitism “the socialism of fools.”
Obviously, I’m not endorsing the apparent homicidal and genocidal antisemitism below. This post is purely educational. All of this sort of antisemitism is just crazy and the people who perpetrate this type of thinking, in my opinion, have simply gone crazy. They think they’ve found the key to all the problems in the world. Simple! It’s all down to those damned Jews! Alas, if only it was that simple, but most important issues in society are confoundingly complex. Which, of course, is why humans opt for the easy answer that explains it all.
Antisemitic rant starts here:
The audacity! Jews have no right to be talking about Whites. The pretentiousness of being in control! The fantasies of global power!
Jews – you annoy people. You’re not smart. You cheat, lie, and steal from us. You’re deceitful, and parasitically annoying.
Jews manipulate the American education.
Jews FEAR the Brits. We have all they want: looks, intelligence, abilities, talents, godly pure non-mixed genes. Other races bring dark energy and result in a tragic Earth if we allow them to fulfill their desires.
What puzzles me is why have we allowed the Jews to think they are either White or smart.
Jews – we are always in control and will use violence to remove you.
Hitler was right.
We helped the enemy escape and take root in America, taking the Internet and the media. All TV networks are Jewish propaganda. The Jews put out lies for Whites using sources such as Jewbook.
We are becoming aware. God has asked me to expose the evildoers (Jews). My current mission is to show the Gentiles the truth behind the parasitic Jew. You Jews will try to force my Anglo fellows out of their homes and businesses take them by any means except it won’t work because you’re a bunch of scared cowards, twats, and pussies. We must take out the Jews now. It will be up to the middle class and the power class to do this.
They lie to Blacks. African Americans know the facts behind the Jews’ schemes and don’t fall for them.
The are the alien, the true enemy, and now it’s time to remove them from our America. The Jews are now operating our welfare, education, and employment bureaucracies. This is causing Whites to struggle and have a lot of difficulties.
The Jews refer to us as goyim. This must stop as this is an insult to us Gentiles. The Gentiles are God’s given Chosen, and the Jews are just jealous, sick, desperate filth.
Avoid Jews. Learn about them. Watch them, follow them, and engage anything Jewish to expose their agenda in America.
Yes, Jews were influential in all of these movements at the start. But they’ve all gone mainstream now and there are not a lot of Jews to be seen. I get the feeling that once a movement loses its subversive “shock the Gentiles” character, the Jews get bored and take off for greener pastures.
Jews aren’t the source of all of White people’s problems. Every Jew in the US could go to Israel tomorrow and anti-White politics and the rest of the Cultural Left would keep chugging right along because racism against Whites has simply gone mainstream. A lot of non-Whites are drinking this Kool-Aid and there are plenty of self-hating Whites out there flagellating themselves.
For instance, let’s look at modern antiracism, especially Critical Race Theory, which is what almost all modern antiracism is anymore. CRT didn’t get cooked up by a bunch of Jews. Actually it came from intellectual Blacks, particularly Derrick Bell in the 1970’s, a Black legal scholar. Almost all of the big names in CRT nowadays are Blacks or other non-Whites. The few Whites seem to be Gentiles.White-hating doesn’t need Jews anymore. It’s on automatic.
Same with feminism, gay rights, trans rights, hatred of the West, worship of non-Whites and the rest of the loony Cultural Left. None of these things need Jews to keep going anymore. America’s Jews could all go to the moon and this sort of thing would keep chugging right along.
Feminist man-hatred has gone mainstream. There aren’t even many Jewish feminists at the top anymore.
Gays don’t need Jews to push a radical gay agenda. There aren’t even that many Jews at the top ranks of Gay Identity Politics (IP). There are just a bunch of homosexuals pushing a homosexual project, exactly as you might expect.
Trans IP gets called a Jewish project because a few rich Jews such as the Pritzkers fund it to some extent. On the other hand, this has also gone mainstream and even more disgustingly, a huge corporate capitalist Trans Industry consisting of sleazy pharmaceutical companies, surgeons, hospitals, and clinics doling out hormonal toxins and mutilating the bodies of anyone dumb enough to avail themselves of one of their hospital beds. Trans IP is now the Trans Industry, as capitalist as the tobacco industry and about as sleazy.
This is a mistake of crazy antisemites. Where the problem is capitalist corporate sleazeballs of any ethnicity, the crazy antisemite just sees a bunch of Jews. The antisemite says we don’t have capitalism in the US. Instead we have “some Jewed up bullshit.” Get rid of the Jews and Gentile capitalism will be all warm and fuzzy and nice. It will even cuddle up with when you go to sleep and lick your face lovingly.
This is folly! Ok, let’s try an experiment. Let’s let all of the US Jews take off for the moon. You think US capitalists will suddenly turn into nice people?
I’ve got some news for you. Jewish capitalists are capitalists. Gentile capitalists are capitalists. Capitalists of both groups act like…get this…capitalists! Isn’t that shocking?
Nevertheless, this has gone on automatic and it doesn’t need Jews anymore either. Jews aren’t any more tranny or gay than non-Jews.
Porn doesn’t need Jews either. Ever checked out Japanese porn? Not a Jew in sight. Swedish, Danish, Hungarian, Italian, Polish, Turkish, Greek, Dutch, Spanish, French, Russian, Ukrainian, Czech, German, Colombian, Mexican, and Argentine porn is being pushed by…people of those ethnicities! Isn’t that surprising? Not a bunch of Jews. Probably not a Jew in sight in any of those national porn industries. British porn seems to be run by British Gentiles last time I checked.
Gentile men are just as perverted, sick, and twisted sexually as Jewish men. We’re not choirboys and Jewish men don’t have a patent on depravity. Gentile men are men. Jewish men are men. They act like…get this…men! Amazing, huh?
And in case you are wondering, yes, I have seen national commercial porn from all of those countries.
Think about it. Suppose all the Jews in the US moved to the moon tomorrow. Do you have the slightest doubt that Gentile perverted men wouldn’t continue to run the porn industry? And the porn industry is full of Gentiles too.
The Jewish era of porn was in the 1970’s and 1980’s. Yes, there were many Jewish directors, actors, and actresses back then. Yes, there are still some Jewish directors. There are a few Jewish actors and actresses, but frankly their numbers are quite small. I can only think of one male and one female Jewish porn star. Jews were in porn when it was dissident and subversive. Once it went mainstream, I assume they got bored of it as it doesn’t give that “shock the Gentiles” kick anymore.
The 1970’s was also the Italian or Sicilian era of porn. If you watch one of those old porn movies, you see a bunch of Italian names on the credits at the end. Obviously the mafia was running the porn industry back then.
Go talk to them. They talk crap about Jews and most of them are Holocaust Deniers. And all of their heroes, 100% of them, are Nazis and Nazi collaborators. They and the other nationalists have been talking crap about Jews off and on for the past eight years. I guess the insane Ukrainian Jews think they can control these Nazis.
Yes, recently the leader of the Azov Battalion said they’re not antisemitic. In fact, he said Israel is the model for the fascist ethnic state they wish to create. Not exactly a compliment for Jews, is it!
“Hey Jews, you guys are great! This Nazi guy said your shitty little hate state is a model for the Nazi country he wants!”
Keep in mind that Azov and the rest don’t just hate Russians and Jews. They hate Poles about as much as they hate Russians. And since 2014, Ukrainian nationalist battalions have been tormenting Hungarians in the Carpathians and Greeks in Mariupol. They hate all non-Ukrainians. They hate the Greeks and Hungarians because they won’t give up their languages and cultures and turn into Ukrainians. Ukrainian ultranationalism isn’t really about biological race. Ukrainian Jews speak Ukrainian and have adopted Ukrainian culture. Perhaps that’s why the nationalists don’t talk about them much.
Except it turns out that this leader of the Azov Battalion recently ordered all Ukrainian Jews to leave Ukraine except the Karaites. Wait. I thought he wasn’t antisemitic. I thought Israel was a model for the Nazi country they want to make. Turns out we have to take all that back.
You need to understand. These are more “kill the Russians” Nazis as opposed to “kill the Jews” Nazis. The kill the Jews part is on the backburner for now that they have these Jewish presidents. By the way, Zelensky has to do what those Nazis say, and if he doesn’t, they say they’re going to kill him!
In the US, “Nazi” means genocidal antisemites, Holocaust, Shoah, 6 million dead Jews. Only 6 million people died in World War 2. Wait. It was 50 million. Nope. Those 44 million non-Jews don’t count! All that counts is that special, precious 6 million!
In Russia, when you say Nazis, they don’t think genocidal antisemites, Holocaust, 6 million dead Jews, etc. The Russians are antisemites themselves, albeit not homicidal or genocidal ones anymore. They think “27 million dead Soviets” and Hitler’s plan to more or less exterminate the Slavs, in particular the Russian people. I think half were to be killed outright, 1/4 of the most Germanic ones turned into Germans, and the other quarter slowly worked and starved to death. So the Germans had an agenda to kill 120 million Soviets, mostly Russians. This was called Generalplan Ost.
Ukraine has always been the flat plain that every invasion of Russia has ever used from Napoleon to the Nazis. It’s the Invader Highway to Russia. So Russia cannot possibly let Ukraine fall into the hands of its enemies, especially Nazis.
To the extent that Azov and the rest are “kill the Russians” Nazis as opposed to “kill the Jews” Nazis, I do feel that they are absolutely Nazis.
Yes, the Nazis had a lot of support in Hungary, Romania, the Baltics, Finland, Croatia, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Belarus. They played the nationalism card and went into those parts of the USSR promising those peoples independence. Of those, four are Orthodox, four are Catholic, and two are Protestant.
In Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Serbia, Macedonia, Greece and Albania, the Nazis had little support and often much opposition. The first three are Catholic and the last three are Orthodox.
I’m not seeing any particular tendency of any particular religion to be more Nazi-supporting than any other.
In Poland, they probably just killed too many Poles. How many Poles would go along with that? Protestants never went over to Nazis too much for whatever reason. Maybe they’re too individualistic. Also Protestants have never been very antisemitic. That’s been more of a Catholic and Orthodox thing.
Many Ukrainians sided with the Nazis. In every country they went into, the Nazis recruited homicidal antisemites for the SS. They found no more than moderate support in most places, but in Ukraine, they were overwhelmed with volunteers.
Ukrainian SS units fought all the way over in Northern France, where they hatched a famous rebellion against the Nazis in 1944.
You see, to the Nazis, even the SS Ukrainians were just inferior Slavs, and the Germans treated them terribly. The Ukrainians didn’t appreciate it. They rebelled in Northern France and killed the 50 Germans leading their unit, only losing four men. Then they all went over to the French Resistance. The Resistance happily took them in even though they were former SS. Pretty weird. SS guys joining the resistance!
The Ukrainian SS in France didn’t work very well. A German officer said, “It’s hard to motivate Ukrainians to kill Americans for Germans in France.” They were simply not part of the fight over there.
A lot of Ukrainians became concentration camp guards. The famous guard Ivan the Terrible, Ivan Demjanjuk, was one of them. They even had a special name for the Ukrainians who worked in the camps named after the camp where they were trained.
Ukrainian nationalists also committed a number of massacres in Slovakia and Poland.
Villagers under their rule said they were worse than Germans. They said German soldiers at least had a basic civilized politeness about them. They were mostly just doing a job, and they seemed a bit bored a lot of the time. They didn’t tend to go in for gratuitous unnecessary violence. The Ukrainians seemed to enjoy being cruel for the fun of it.
Keep in mind that the German Army itself often did not commit ethnic massacres. That was usually left to the SS. The German troops didn’t really have the stomach for lining civilians up and slaughtering them. Originally, the Nazis had ordinary soldiers massacring civilians, but the soldiers were outraged at what they had done and wrote letters back home about how awful it was. There were a lot of PTSD cases and desertions.
That’s why they created the SS in the first place – because the ordinary soldiers were not capable of massacres like that. Soldiers may be killers but they’re not necessarily murderers.
A German general in Warsaw saved 3,000 Jews. The Nazis had captured 3,000 Jews and put them to work in a factory for a general. The idea was to work them for a few weeks until they could transfer them to camps. The general got wind that the SS were coming, and he called his Jewish workers around. He got up and simply said, “The SS will be coming in two days.” The workers got the message and they all took off. He didn’t stop them.
Later in the war the same general tried to save another few thousand Jews. This time he was caught and executed. I have a lot of respect for that man.
Understand that your average German soldier or officer was just a soldier first and foremost, a fighting man. They were not necessarily any more antisemitic than any other German. A lot didn’t have passionate feelings about Jews one way or the other.
Some of those Nazi nationalists in those other countries were worse than the Germans! The Germans were so outraged by the behavior of the Ukrainian UNO under Stepan Bandera that they put him in prison in Germany! The Romanian nationalists outraged the Germans when they hung Jews on meathooks in slaughterhouses. That was too much for the German Army. Germans, you know, they do have certain standards!
I saw an interview with a Belorussian man. He was talking about the Belorussian nationalist Nazi collaborators, whose heirs are now the Belorussian opposition that the US supports. He was alive in World War 2. He said that the Belorussian nationalists were going to come to their village of 10,000 people and kill everyone in it. The villagers went to the local Nazi commander and told him about it, and he was outraged. He stationed a unit inside the village to protect the villagers. I respect that man too. When you’re worse than Nazis, that’s pretty bad!
All Ukrainian nationalists are basically Nazis or fascists. I suppose he’s not an actual Nazi himself, but he uses those Nazi groups to stay in power. They are the muscle behind the regime, and everyone has to do what they say. If you go against them, they will overthrow you or put a bullet in your head.
Zelensky ran on a peace platform, but after he got in, he found he could not implement it because the Nazis would not let him. Those Jews there use those Nazi ultranationalists to stay in power and fight the Russians.
More to the point, the Nazism they like is of the “kill the Russians” variety. Nazis hated Russians and killed 27 million of them, remember. All of the heroes of Ukrainian nationalists were Nazi collaborators during WW2, hence all Ukrainian ultranationalists are Nazis by default. They don’t seem to focus much on Jews, as they focus most of their rage towards Russians. On the other hand, the Nazis have been terrorizing the Hungarians and Greeks in Ukraine ever since 2014.
Like all ultranationalists, they hate all non-Ukrainians and want them all to become Ukrainians. It’s not so much that they hate them for being Greeks or Hungarians. It’s more that they hate them for not giving up their culture. They hate Russians not for being Russian ethnically but for speaking Russia, being culturally Russian, and supporting Russia.
A person with a Russian background could simply stop speaking Russian, start speaking Ukrainian, and adopt Ukrainian culture and no one would mind. As you can see, Ukrainian ultranationalism or Nazism is not racial. It’s more of a cultural Nazism. Assimilate and everything’s fine. Keep your language and culture and you need to be killed.
Also there are Ukrainian speakers who are pro-Russian and Russian speakers who are pro-Ukrainian. What language you speak doesn’t always equate to your politics.
Everything was fine in Ukraine until with Maidan we overthrew the democratically elected president Yanukovitch. After that, a radical Ukrainian ultranationalist regime was put in. The main opposition party of the Russian speakers was outlawed, its deputies were murdered, and they tried to kill the leader by setting his house on fire, but they set his neighbor’s on fire instead. He fled to Russia.
They also outlawed the Communist Party (they got 14% in the last election, almost all Russian speakers) and passed a new law mandating three years in prison for defending the USSR. They tore down all of the statues of USSR heroes and put up new statues of their Nazi collaborator heroes instead. They marched with torches and Nazi flags chanting, “Kill the Russians.” The most common chant at the Maidan was, “Hang the Russians, drown the Poles, stab the Jews!”
They introduced laws banning the speaking of Russian in public and forbidding Russian speakers from holding government jobs.
This is why the people in the East rose up. They hate Nazis over there because it reminds them of World War 2 when Ukrainian nationalists rampaged through Ukraine, killing Russians.
Russia is opposed to Gay, Trans, Feminist, and anti-White Identity Politics and the Cultural Left.
They had to do this. Ukraine was an out and out menace, and it had to be shut down. It was a mad, wildly Russian-hating monstrosity on Russia’s border, and Russia can’t have that.
In 1992 with the first independence, Ukrainian nationalists went to Crimea and said, “Crimea will either be Ukrainian or deserted.”
For some reason, the Ukrainian Jews have gotten off light. As long as those Jews support the ultranationalists, they will stay in power. Kolomoisky is a Jew and is one of the richest men in Ukraine. He’s also a thug and a criminal. He has thugs who go in and intimidate businesses into letting him take over their companies. If they don’t obey, he sics his thugs on them. He’s the one who shot down that M17 jet to blame Russia. The Ukrainian government didn’t even know about that.
He runs his own private army almost over there in Dnepropetrovsk. It’s called the Dniper Battalion and yes, they are Nazis. All of the Nazi battalions in Ukraine are armed and trained by this Jewish thug Kolomoisky.
The Jews of Ukraine are very weird. First, they are basically just criminals, like an organized crime gang. Second, they work very closely with out and out Nazis.
You must understand that in WW2, Ukrainian Jews led anti-Jewish pogroms and put Jews in temporary camps.
Ukrainian nationalists cut their hair in the style of Stepan Bandera, the hero of the Ukrainian nationalists. He led the Ukrainian nationalist army ONU in World War 2. They collaborated with Nazis and killed 200,000 Jews and 40,000 Poles. They are vicious Russia-haters. After the war, the US ferried them out, with many of them going to Canada.
The ink was barely dry on the armistice papers with Germany when the OSS was setting up these Ukrainian Nazis to fight the USSR in Ukraine as guerrillas. This war went on for ~10 years. It is the descendants of these Nazis from World War 2 who today make up the Ukrainian ultranationalists.
NATO has long collaborated with Nazis. However, it was probably more of a marriage of convenience than a marriage of ideology. NATO was set up as an anti-Soviet alliance, and Nazis tended to be the best Communist haters and killers of all. NATO set up the Gladio Network or Stay Behind Network made up of fascists and Nazis all over Europe in every NATO country. They were supposed to engage in guerrilla war after the USSR conquered Europe.
But in Italy they mostly did false flag attacks where they pretended to be leftwing guerillas. They set off bombs in train stations and killed hundreds of people. This was called the “Strategy of Tension.” It was all being run by NATO’s intelligence arm. The Gladio Stay Behind network was activated in 2014 in Ukraine. These are the people who carried out the Maidan coup. And the Gladio Stay Behind Network is basically the group that has been in power ever since 2014.
In Mariupol and Nikolavea in Ukraine, since 2014, the Nazis beat and killed Russian speakers and threw them in jail and prison. Those that remained were ordered from their homes at gunpoint. Any remaining left and went into exile.
There are videos on the Net showing Nazi lynch mobs rounding up Russian speakers, tying them up, and beating them. This is going on as I type this. One man is tied to a pole. Nazis shot a Greek in Mariupol last week for speaking Russian. I saw a video where the Nazis tied a Russian speaker to a pole and then set it on fire, burning him to death. The Nazis have been shooting people who have been trying to leave Mariupol.
Whether Ukraine is a Nazi country instead of just a fascist country is another matter, but keep in mind that fascism and National Socialism can unfold in any society, even a Jewish one. A Jewish National Socialism or fascism is absolutely possible. In fact, many European Jews were fascists and proto-fascists in Europe in 1910-1935.
Some German Jews even support the Nazi Party. In 1935, some German cities had Nazi Friendship groups made up of Jews who supported the regime. Don’t ask me how that makes sense. It was only when the Nazis went anti-Semitic that these Jewish fascists abandoned them. The Jewish fascists were quite OK with fascism but not with an anti-Semitic fascism. The Zionists maintained an alliance with the Nazis through the 1930’s on the cynical basis that the more Jews in Germany were persecuted, the more they would flee to Palestine.
In my opinion, Israel is a fascist Jewish country full of fascist Jews. Fascists need not be anti-Semites! And logically, fascist Israel has made alliance with rightwing fascist regimes all over the world, including Hungary and Philippines. And many young Israelis went to the Maidan to fight with the Ukrainian fascists, mostly because a lot of Jews hate Russia.
On the other hand, Israel is sitting out this war. Many Israelis don’t like Ukrainians and say Ukrainians are Nazis or anti-Semites as they recall the stories of what happened to their relatives and ancestors there during World War 2.
Yet World Jewry has had it in for Russia ever since the birth of Israel. Previously, quite a few Jews had been sympathetic to the USSR, though this was probably not a majority. Certainly they supported the USSR against Nazi Germany. However, with the birth of Israel, the US supported Israel and the USSR supported the Arabs, and World Jewry went over to the West.
Then there was the “Soviet Jews” “let my people go” bullshit, a cynical and totally dishonest campaign started by Western, mostly American, Jews.
First of all, no one was allowed to leave the USSR, not just Jews. The Western Jews dishonestly complained that the USSR after Stalin was anti-Semitic.
Yes, there was the Doctor’s Plot under Stalin, and a group of Jewish doctors may indeed have poisoned Stalin.
After Israel was founded, a number of Soviet Jews supported Western-supported Israel. Stalin saw them as traitors and he executed a number of them in the early 1950’s. I don’t think it was anti-Semitic. People complained to Stalin about killing Jews and he said, “You do not understand! They are all Zionists!” Stalin was married a few times and at least one of his wives was Jewish.
As a result of these executions of Soviet Jews, it is thought that the Jewish physicians executed the Doctor’s Plot. It didn’t much matter as Khrushchev hated Stalin and was more than happy to have him out of the way. Stalin’s coffin was carried across the USSR by train when he died, and massive crowds came out in every stop along the way, even all the way out in Siberia. People fell to the ground and cried. Stain was worshiped like a God.
Afterwards, the USSR got involved in some poorly motivated campaigns that had anti-Semitic overtones. One was the campaign against “Ruthless Cosmopolitanism.” If you know about the dynamics of anti-Semitism and the wandering Jewish internationalist anti-nationalist motif, you can see how toxic this was. The campaign claimed to be against “Zionists,” but the use of the rootless cosmopolitan motif was unfortunate.
From then on, Western Jews complained about horrible anti-Semitic persecution in the USSR. Except there was none. A professor at a major university during this period was interviewed. He said out of 200 professors in his large department, maybe 2-3 of them had no Jewish ancestry. Some persecution! They were persecuted all the way to fame and glory and the bank! He laughed when people mentioned that Western Jews thought Soviet Jews were persecuted.
The Jewish complaint against Russia goes way back, as there was of course a lot of anti-Semitism for centuries in the Russian Empire, where the Jews were restricted at one time to the Pale of Settlement. The Pale is now the equivalent of Western Ukraine, which probably has the largest concentration of Nazis in the world! The Cossacks used to lead pogroms against Jews.
It’s said that the Czars were not even particularly anti-Semitic on a personal basis. Instead they just cynically scapegoated Jews whenever the serfs and peasants rose up against the feudal landlords and the feudal royalty. The Czars saw the revolutionary rage of the serfs and misdirected it towards the Jews. “No, don’t kill us feudal lords and royals. We aren’t the problem. All of your problems are those Jews over there!”
The fact that many Jews worked as tax collectors for feudal lords meant that the only face of feudal brutality that the serfs ever saw were Jewish tax collectors, why by the way where quite vicious about how they loaned money to the peasants. They loaned money to the peasants on usurious terms and when peasants couldn’t pay, they would confiscate their lands. Also, the Jews sold booze to the peasants. The peasants ended up drinking up all their profits and were then unable to pay their loans. It was all pretty low-down and sleazy.
Russian Jews and probably Ukrainian Jews too are some of the worst Jews out there. A lot of them are just criminals. The “Russian” Mafia was 1/3 Jewish. Jews are 3% of the population. And due to the long infighting between Jews and Russians, there is a lot of bad blood. Russian Jews probably hate Gentiles more than any other Jews. Russian Jews make bloody Marys out of vodka and say they are drinking the blood of Russian Gentiles!
For their part, Russian Gentiles have been guilty of some horrendous anti-Semitism, and sadly to this day, there is a lot of anti-Semitism in Russia. On the other hand, it’s not official state policy, and Putin has an excellent relationship with the Russian Jewish community and Israel.
Anyway, the long and bitter history of Jews and Russians has led many Western Jews who often have ancestry from the Pale to be Russia-haters. That they have not extended the same courtesy of hatred to Ukraine too is odd, but it’s probably just Realpolitik, as Western Jews are deeply tied into US and Western imperialism.
Western countries are not so much “Jewish” countries as they are simply capitalist-imperialist countries. This is a mistake that many anti-Semites make. They look around at Western imperialism and see Jewish faces and think that imperialism is Jewish. Of course it’s not. It’s just capitalist imperialism and it’s no more Jewish than it is Gentile. Capitalists don’t have much religion anyway. Read Marx, “On the Jewish Question.” The only religion of capitalists is the worship of money.
Similarly, ant-Semites look around at Western capitalists and see Jewish faces and conclude that the problem is not capitalism but Jews. But Gentile capitalists don’t act any better than the Jewish ones; in fact, they act worse. Anti-Semites say get rid of the Jews and capitalism will be fine and dandy. This is folly. Actually it will probably be worse, as Jewish capitalists and the Jewish rich tend to be much more progressive than Gentile capitalists and the Gentile rich. I’d rather be ruled by rich Jews than rich Gentiles.
The above is what we mean when we say that a type of anti-Semitism is “the socialism of fools.”
Under Lenin and Stalin, the USSR was probably the most pro-Jewish country on Earth. Israel Shamir said the USSR as an “anti-anti-Semitic” country. But this is also misleading as in the USSR, no one really talked about ethnicity. You were not supposed to talk about it. And Soviet Jews may not have seen themselves as all that Jewish.
Trotsky was Jewish, but he refused to identify as a Jew. He was asked what his nationality was and he said “working class.” So the fact that there were many Jews in this or that Soviet enterprise is of little consequence. As the USSR was committed to opposing anti-Semitism and overthrew the anti-Semitic Czar and led war on the White anti-Semites in the Civil War, of course Soviet Jews warmed to the USSR. But so did tens of millions of non-Jewish workers and peasants.
Jews talk about how synagogues were destroyed, but the Soviets destroyed churches and mosques too. They hated all religions. Lenin put in a law mandating the death penalty for anti-Semitism.
The Bolshevik Revolution was not really a Jewish revolution. There were only a few Bolshevkis. Yes, there were a number of Jews, but there were even more Latvians! Furthermore, most Russian Jews did not support the Bolsheviks. Only a few did. In the election of 1917, 70% of Russian Jews voted for the Zionist Party, not the Bolsheviks. They were more tribal than Communist, as usual. They say that maybe one Jew in ten is a radical, but maybe five out of ten radicals are Jews. People see that and think “Jews are Communists” while forgetting that 90% of them are not radicals at all.
Judeo-Bolshevism is a particularly vicious form of anti-Semitism, as this was the ideology behind the Holocaust. Recall the order in which Hitler sent people to Dachau. First were Communists. Next in line were socialists. Third were labor unions. Fourth in line were Jews! Fourth in line! The Nazis were more anti-Communist than anti-Jewish, but as they saw them as one and the same, it was of little matter.
Jews would have you believe that they only banned Jews from leaving the USSR because most Jews can’t envision a world outside of their own people and perspective. It’s like the rest of the world is somehow not even there. Some say that Jews think non-Jews as animals. This is true of the Orthodox, but most Western Jews are not Orthodox.
Simone Weil, a French Jew convert to Christianity, described it in a better way. She said that Jews saw the world like a spotlight on a stage in a play. You know how in a play when the stage is dark, and suddenly a spotlight appears and there is one actor standing there? This is how Jews see the world. There they are, under that spotlight. Everyone else is in the dark. It’s not so much that they hate non-Jews (though the Orthodox do). It’s is more like non-Jews are not even there. They don’t even think about them.
This is a nice old post about Colin Flaherty. I like it and I think it’s worth a repost.
The problem is that Colin Flaherty’s whole shtick is that he is not racist at all in any way whatsoever! No, really. That’s exactly what he says. And that’s how he comes across, endlessly, in article after article and video after video. And that is exactly why this man is so dangerous.
Mr. Flaherty is a journalist and a good one at that. But in his middle age, he has decided to branch out into the area of Black crime, except that his focus has a twist – it’s all about Black crime against Whites. The subtext of every Flaherty article or video is that Black people are deliberately singling out Whites to attack as hunters single out prey. Nothing could be more nonsensical. Blacks do not preferentially prey on Whites. It’s nonsense.
89% of Black homicides are of other Black people. Most Black crime is Black on Black crime. Much is made of Black men raping White women, but Black men rape Black women at 5X the rate that they rape White women. There are all sorts of nutty arguments that try to deal with these uncomfortable truths while keeping the lousy theory alive.
The principal one was symbolized by the noted theory of Le Griffe du Lion, a very racist White professor of…get this…sociology! He did some fancy mathematics showing that Black people mostly see other Black people all day long and don’t see many White people. So of course they prey mostly on their own kind. That’s who they are around all the time! If Blacks were around Whites just as much as they were around Blacks, their propensity to hunt Whites preferentially as a predator hunts its prey (Le Griffe’s exact words) would come out.
But the other side can play that game too. There are 6X more Whites than Blacks. If Blacks displayed no preference at all in victims, they would kill 6X more Whites than Blacks, right? This argument spouts the rejoinder, “But they are only around their own kind all day…” which is probably a tautology and is certainly not falsifiable, so it fails as theory on its face.
Flaherty wrote a book called White Girl Bleed a Lot. It’s all about Black crime against Whites. Yes, Blacks commit some very bad crimes against Whites. But they commit just as bad or worse crimes against their own kind. So only writing about Black crime against Whites is lying in a sense, and worse, you are selling a form of poison to the masses. Racist poison. A really nasty racist poison.
Because nothing drives Whites up the wall more than the idea that Blacks preferentially prey on them as victims. Some of these theorists even go as far as to say that Blacks are waging a low-level guerrilla war against Whites. Oh, what nonsense.
If you study ethnic conflicts all over the world, one of the things that sets off massacres and ethnic cleansings is the notion that Group B, the out-group or the other guys, is trying to kill us, Group A.
Hitler set off the genocide by saying the Jews were trying to exterminate Germans.
The Rwandan genocide was set off in the same way.
The Sunni-Shia wars start off in exactly the same way. ISIS propaganda goes to great lengths to show how the Shia are preferentially singling out and slaughtering the Sunni. “They’re trying to kill us all,” is the message.
This was the line that the Young Turks used to kill 1.7 million Armenians. “The Armenians were starting a war against the Turks, and they were trying to kill all the Turks.”
The genocide against Muslims in Bosnia was set off by Serbian lies that “The Muslims were trying to kill the Serbs.”
Even the anti-Communist slaughters of the last century which the US fully participated in, each and every one of them, were all predicated on the idea that the Communist killers were going to seize power and kill lots of people. Hitler justified his genocide against the Jews by saying that they were Communists and that the Communists were mass murderers who were “killing millions of Christians” in the Ukraine. Yes, the fake Holodomor, the terror famine that never even happened, was used as a pretext for the Holocaust.
Remember that the next time any of you wants to rant about “Stalin’s terror famine.” Every time you say that, you are repeating Nazi propaganda. Does it make you feel good to parrot Hitler?
Many of the massacres of Indians were predicated on the notion that the Indians “were coming to kill us all.” In the original wording of the Declaration of Independence, there is language about how savage the Indians fought, knowing none of the rules of decency in wartime. “They’re savages, so we need to kill them all.” See how that works?
In Indonesia in 1965, there was supposedly a Communist coup to take over the government. All the world’s media reported it exactly that way. Except that it never happened. There was a fake Communist coup to take over the government. “The Communists tried to take over, and they are going to kill millions of people” lie was then used as an excuse to kill 1 million Communists all over Indonesia in only a few months. Most were hacked to death with machetes. Islamic fundamentalists were used by the US and Indonesia in this slaughter. Remind you of anything? Afghanistan, anyone?
The CIA was on the scene immediately and they supplied the new government with lists of known Communists. These lists were then used to single out people for killing. The US media then lied about the whole affair, with the execrable New York Times leading the charge. Later there was an attempt to bury this mass slaughter as “unfortunate but necessary and a good idea in the long run.”
It was only years or even decades later that we learned the truth about the fake coup and the mass slaughter. The Left was devastated in Indonesia and has remained in a meager state to this day. Obviously people in Indonesia have gotten the message about what happens to Leftists, which is always the general message of anti-Communist slaughters.
Hence it follows that once White people get it in their heads that “the Blacks are trying to kill us,” we can set ourselves up for some serious persecutions of Blacks based on that narrative. I doubt if we will start massacring Blacks, but “the Blacks are trying to rape and kill Whites” was always the excuse for lynchings and Jim Crow.
It’s an ugly narrative, and it’s a lie.
I could write articles about this sort of thing too, you know. I see articles all the time about Black people acting terrible, killing each other, killing White people, you name it. 98% of the time, I choose not to write about it. Why write about it? Yes, yes, we know Black people commit tons of crime, including violent crime. Yes, we know Black men have a high homicide rate.
Yes, we know that Black men kill many White people – but they kill far more Black people, and by and large, they prey mostly on their own kind.
Looking at the larger picture, Black criminals simply prey on other humans. They rob, rape, and kill Hispanics, Asians, Whites and Blacks. They attack everyone. They are not real particular.
And the evidence shows that if anything, they by far preferentially select their own kind for violence, and they preferentially select against White victims. So if anything, Blacks prefer to prey on their own kind and it looks like Blacks actively avoid preying on Whites. If that’s the reality, then it’s quite a poisonous stew to cook up to sell the lie that Blacks preferentially attack Whites. “They’re coming to kill us! The Blacks are trying to kill us White people!” It’s not only a lie, but it’s a very dangerous lie, a mental poison with grave effects.
Just to see what sort of vibes Flaherty is churning up, look at the commenters. Looks like Niggermania, Chimpout, American Renaissance, and Stormfront. There are all sorts of very vicious and ugly remarks against Black people as a race on there. So even if Flaherty really is a non-racist as he insists, look at all the wild racism that his irresponsible (or worse) videos and articles sprout. He’s fertilizing the land with poison, watching the weeds he watered grow and take over the land and choke out all the good and decent crops, all the while protesting that he had nothing to do with it, he was just some innocent farmer trying to grow crops.Yeah. Crops of weeds.
Whenever I see that language, I think, “This person is promoting hatred against Greg and Alpha.” I think that’s unacceptable. None of these Black people do much of anything wrong. They live like good, law abiding citizens, and in short, they are good people. Selling hate propaganda against good people just because they are Black is wrong.
And that is why you, Mr. Flaherty, are wrong.
And that is why you, Mr. Flaherty, are promoting a very dangerous lie.
Old post but still getting comments, so it may as well get a repost. Plus I just reread it and it’s really cool!
Minorities Who Let Go of Their Identity Politics Seem Happier
I’ve known Blacks who chucked Black Identity Politics and said, “I love White people!” There’s a whole sex kink out there like that for Black women who love White men. I’ve met many Black women with this sex kink. There are Black men who think Whites are the bomb. I’ve met a lot of these folks. They admire Whites. They try to act like Whites. They see them as models of behavior.
And if you’re Black and you love White people, most Whites will let down their guard. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. I compared them to Blacks locked into Black Identity Politics, and the Black Identity Politics people seemed much less happy. They were locked into a war. Racism was everywhere, fogging up their glasses, giving them scratchy throats, and causing rashes on their arms. They were living in enemy territory every day.
Gays who dropped gay politics were a lot more relaxed. Gays locked into gay Identity Politics always had their dukes up, surrounded by homophobes, getting in fistfights every day. Gay Identity Politics is a scary place. There’s a gay-basher hiding in every bush. It’s enough to drive you nuts.
The Jews in Ukraine are particularly evil. They’re out and out neo-Nazis, but it’s this weird Nazism that substitutes Russians for Jews. However, the spiritual father of these Nazis was an independence movement supported by Stepan Bandera in World War 2 Ukraine who supported Hitler and murdered 200,000 Jews and 40,000 Poles on their own. So the Jewish Nazis in Ukraine are supporting a movement that helped in the Holocaust of their own people!
In addition, the governments of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia and the opposition in Belarus are all pro-Nazi because the independence movements in all of these places were pro-Nazi in World War 2 in part because the Nazis conquered these places and promised them independence.
The local Nazis in some of these places were almost worse than the real thing. A Belarussian recently told about how the Belarussian local Nazi militia were going to wipe out his entire village for whatever reason, and the village heads went to the local German Nazi Army commander and told him of their plans. The Nazi officer was so appalled that he halted their plans and stationed soldiers in the village to protect the people. The local Nazi militias in Romania hung local Jews on meathooks in slaughterhouses. Photos of these murders leaked out, and even the local German Nazi military officers were outraged by this.
The truth is a number of German military officers were not interested in or even opposed to the Jew-killing.
A German general reportedly saved 3,000 Jews in Warsaw from imminent extermination by the SS. They were working in a factory the Nazis had set up as a sort of slave labor force, but the general tried to treat them as well as he could. He heard that the SS was coming to raid the factory and he knew what that meant. So he gave a talk to his Jewish workers and told that them that the SS was coming to the factory in a few days. He didn’t say anything else. He didn’t have to. All 3,000 workers had fled by the time the SS showed up. The general said they broke out while his men were sleeping. The Jews escaped to safety, at least for a while anyway. He later tried protect another few thousand Jews and was caught and executed.
Not everyone in the Army was a raving antisemite. In the beginning the Nazis had assigned the task of Jew-killing to ordinary soldiers. Famous letters from German soldiers expressed disgust and outrage over the gruesome murder by bayonet of a couple of dozen Jews that their unit had participated in in Eastern Europe. The soldiers had so many breakdowns and traumatic reactions afterwards that a special Jew- and other civilian-killing force, the SS, had to be created.
Before the Nazi Party went after the Jews, they had a lot of supporters among German Jews, many of whom were ready to go fascist themselves. They only reason they didn’t was because Hitler turned on them. If not they would have been with him to the end. By the way, guess who else supports those (((Nazis in Ukraine)))? You got it. Israel.
Jewish Fascists in Israel
The Jewish would-be fascists of the 1930’s have since vacated to Israel where they have resurrected a native Israeli fascism derived from the literal Jewish fascist Jabotinsky, who wrote The Iron Wall in 1921. All of the Likud and other rightwing governments since the early 1980’s have been literally heirs to Jabotinskyism. In fact, Jabotinsky is considered to be the spiritual father of the Likud Party, and everyone who came after him is one of his children. Jabotinsky supported all of the nascent fascist movements in Europe at the time.
Israel has now made alliances with fascist-like parties in Hungary, Poland, (((Ukraine))), India, and the Philippines, which should not be surprising because fascist states form alliances with other fascist states, and Israel is a fascist state made up of Jewish fascists.
Falange Fascists in Lebanon
Israel has long supported the fascist Falangists in Lebanon, a strongly-Christian native fascist movement. About half of Lebanese Christians are with these fascists and the other half are with Christian President Aoun and hence are supporters of Hezbollah because he is with Hezbollah. So half of Lebanese Christians are with Hezbollah and the other half basically want to exterminate Hezbollah. By the way, the fascist Lebanese Christians hate the Palestinians too.
They are also one of the only groups in the Arab World to support actual rightwing economics, which goes against basic Arab culture and Islam itself. This is because while most Middle Eastern Christians (Catholics) look East to the pro-socialist Eastern Orthodox Church, especially the leadership in Russia. The Lebanese, who are also Catholics, are Western Catholics who look to Rome and Europe. Hence the support for Western neoliberalism and libertarianism, two things which have never caught on in the Orthodox East and probably will not within the foreseeable future. Neoliberalism literally goes against their very culture.
The forefather of that movement, a man named Gemayal, emerged in Lebanon early on. In the 1930’s, he also supported fascist movements in Europe. He literally had pictures of Hitler pasted to his high school locker. The US also supports these Lebanese fascists, and in fact they are the principal US ally in that government. The Saudis also support them, but the Saudis are Far Right themselves, so it should not shock us when they support non-Islamic fascist, in this case, Christian ones.
The Israeli government is Far Right, and Far Right parties are often fascist-like. And as I noted above, the Far Right in Israel literally has fascist roots.
Although American Whites (100) may collectively seem smarter than the Blacks(85) and Hispanics(90), they too are fucking stupid. An average IQ of 100 is nothing special. Even an IQ of 115 is nothing special when compared to people with IQ’s 125+. A whopping 86% of Whites have an IQ below 115!
Although those are the official numbers, I refuse to believe American Whites have an average IQ of 100. Europe’s White trash left for the new world. Sure there were some aristocrats and geniuses that may have made their way over here, but most of those people weren’t exactly high quality Whites. I estimate the average IQ of White Americans to be about 95. Europeans just seem more cultured and intelligent in comparison.
This disparity becomes readily apparent when you are in a flyover White trash red state. Everything is so rundown and the people are noticeably dirtier and uglier looking. You may not agree that White Americans as a collective have an average IQ of 95, but you have to admit that Middle America is blatantly dumber than Coastal America (east and west). Everybody, or at least the smart and talented people leave for the major cities, of which a disproportionate amount of are located on the East and West Coast.
There is a problem with your analysis. First of all, a 100 IQ score means just about zip! Let us suppose that the average IQ scores doubled in the next 100 years. IQ’s rose on average of 100 points in the US. What would the average IQ in the US be? 100! So in that case, a 100 IQ score would be twice as high as it is today and we could no longer say that 100 IQ is not that smart. You follow? 100 is just sort of a placemarker or a tag. It all depends on how you are norming your population.
Also, you would think that an IQ like mine (147) would be 47% smarter than an average IQ of 100, right? Nope! I believe a 145 IQ is literally 3-5 X more intelligent than an IQ of 100! I’m not sure how that works, but those scores are simply not linear numbers the way we normally think of them. They’re more like placeholders or points on a graph or dots on a chart.
Average IQ is 100 is because they’ve always normed these tests on US populations. Lately they switched to US Whites = 100 and that makes the average US IQ = 98. Our average IQ used to be 100.
So we’ve dropped 2 IQ points with all of this unrestricted low-quality immigration. Nothing wrong with immigration per se, but the last thing this country needs is more uneducated low skilled peasants and workers from the 3rd World. They’re a drag on the economy and they absolutely do increase the crime rate, run down cities, create gangs, etc. I speak about unrestricted Hispanic immigration, which is just stupid. With 10 fewer IQ points, of course they are going to drag places down, lower test scores, increase crime and probably gangs, etc.
That’s just a given. Now if you wanted to important Hispanics with average IQ = 98, I’d be right on board. In fact all of our legal immigration should be average IQ = 98 or maybe better yet, minimum 98 IQ to even get in in the first place. Letting in millions of dumber people to crash your country’s IQ score has to be one the stupidest things a country could do.
Two groups with IQ’s of 85 will probably behave about the same, right? Nope!
That is because we are leaving out something very important, and that is race. And race is absolutely real in a biological sense and you can make whatever you want of that. An 85 IQ US White, Persian in Iran, Chinese in China and US Black are going to act pretty different, though the American White and the Persian might act fairly similar. The races act different! I’m sorry but it’s just true. Open your eyes and ears. It’s only obvious.
A good IQ researcher over at Unz has written a number of articles where he claims that the IQ of your average human is ~81. That’s terrible. It’s thought that you need a 90 IQ to create a decent modern society. That’s probably not completely true, but there’s something to it.
It also depends on the population. An Arab, North African or Central Asian IQ of 85 is simply not the same thing as a US Black IQ of 85. Go look around in Arabia, North Africa or Iran and get back to me. Even Pakistan is fairly civilized.
If those countries were full of US Blacks, the cities would look like Detroit, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Chicago, Oakland, etc. That’s why I get so upset with White nationalists snarly at Blacks that they only have 85 IQ’s. First of all, it’s probably 87 now. Second of all, that IQ score is no fault of their own. It is some sort of a product of genes and environment. Let’s put it this way. I don’t think the US Black 87 IQ is their fault at all! That’s simply the way they end up getting wired up.
If Tehran and Detroit have the same average IQ, there is something more going on with US Blacks.
I believe that is psychopathy. Your average US Black has a psychopathy score twice as high as the average White on the PCL. Say the average White score is 4 out of 0-40. Everything below 20 is considered in normal range, but you can be quite psychopathic and still be in the normal range. What can I say? We are apex predators, meat eaters and killers of our own kind from time immemorial. He aren’t like cows. We are more like bears or mountain lions.
Anyway if your average US Black has a PCL score of 8 to the average US White score of 4, that is going to make a tremendous amount of difference. That’s because there is a universe of difference between a PCL score of 1 and one of 19! They’re both completely normal non-psychopaths, but I guarantee you that folks at 19 on a PCL are going to act way worse than people with a PCL of one.
Blacks also seem to have elevated testosterone levels, and that is absolutely genetic. But they are only higher until age 32, after which they fall and are actually lower than Whites! I suspect that elevated testosterone plays a role in the extremely high crime rates of US Blacks.
Good old post getting comments. I reiterated in a post today that I don’t hate good people who simply aren’t real sharp. That’s no fault of their own. We are all God’s children and we are at his mercy when it comes to handling out whatever gifts or handicaps He so cavalierly distributes among us. I know some pretty dumb people on Facebook, and I talk to them sometimes. They are a bit hard to talk to, but they are nice enough anyway.
But I really, really hate lack of wisdom, which is it seems like 95% of the population has at least about some things. I hate moral panics and mass hysterias. They’re ridiculous! How could you admit with a straight face that you are so stupid that you are caught up in a moral panic? I would be so embarrassed.
But as far as my haters go and all these people trying to figure me out, the take-home point is that I’m pretty much of a misanthrope and I think you’re all a bunch of idiots! Definitely my haters. They’re pure morons, every one of them. I almost hate them more for being stupid than for being haters. And if you study my life and my writing, you will see this theme – “You are all idiots!” repeated over and over, so it’s sort of the theme of my life.
Once you figure out that Lindsay thinks people are basically stupid goddamned fools, you will finally be onto me. “Lindsay thinks we are all idiots.” Bingo! There ya go. You got me. Another thing about my haters is they peg me wrong, but your haters will always do that if you are halfway decent because if they were objective about you, they wouldn’t have an argument to hate you. In order to hate you, they must distort you. Actually that’s a good thing to remind yourself if you are dealing with haters. The only reason they hate you is because they distort you. The only way they can hate you is to distort who you really are.
One of my haters on Reddit said a while back,
“Lindsay styles himself as this radical individualist type. On the other hand, maybe he’s just a weirdo. I think he’s just a weirdo.”
Well, fine, but at least one of my haters figured me out. I do see myself as a radical individualist type who deliberately takes unpopular decisions to portray bravery. I also take unpopular views because I like to show that what everyone believes is common knowledge is often a bunch of total horseshit. I like the “society is full of shit and is filling your head with lies” view. That’s sort of the purpose of this site – to write about very thing.
I’m pretty disgusted by humans. I don’t even really like them. Actually, I hate to admit it but I am a misanthrope. And I hate to say it even more, but the majority at least here in the US deserve every bit of my hatred. I hate them because they are stupid, and stupidity itself is a little bit dangerous by its very nature, so they frighten me.
They’re idiots. I hate idiots. Actually they’re worse than idiots. They’re dangerous idiots, and that’s the worst kind of idiot of all. So, yeah, I hate most Americans because they are goddamned dangerous idiots who threaten my peace of mind, well-being, reputation, and maybe even ability to earn a living.
If you study people with very high IQ’s around my range and up, you will see that they almost all feel this way. Worse, as IQ rises, misanthropy seems to rise in tandem just like clockwork. On Quora they often had people asking questions for people with certain IQ ranges. It was one of the only places you could talk like this because IQ is a very taboo subject in the US. The question would be, “People with IQ’s over 140, what you do think about bla bla bla?”
One thing I noticed is that once people got above 140, they seemed more and more misanthropic. And it was all tied up with the idea that they thought people were idiots. “I feel like I’m surrounded by retards!” was a comment I saw over and over. I suppose it just goes with the territory when you get up into that high of a range.
Above IQ 160, it’s not to find a complete misanthrope. They hate people because they think people are stupid. And to them, most people are stupid. Check out the classic article, The Outsiders about people, mostly men, who had IQ’s of over 160. Most of them were not in very good shape. They were typically unmarried and worked at low paying jobs or even lived in poverty, and tended to dwell alone in apartments. Lack of girlfriends or wives and even out and out celibacy was very common. They were all thoroughly disgusted by having to live in a “world full of retards” as they see it.
When you are up here in the stratosphere, every people with average intelligence almost seem literally retarded. It’s disgusting but you feel bad about it for hating them and keep beating yourself up and trying to be nice to them and turn off the misanthropy. Which can be done.
But when it comes to close friendships or meaningful relationships, about 30 IQ points is the limit. If someone is 30 IQ points above or below you, you will have a very hard time communicating. Some say that meaningful communication is either very difficult or even impossible. Yes, you can become friends, but it will be quite difficult. Leaders who have IQ’s 30+ IQ points above those below them are poor leaders. Their underlings don’t listen to them, and rebellions are common.
The best leaders are not geniuses. The best leaders for White people would have an IQ below 130. Above that and you will not be able to connect with your followers.
This brings up another deep thought. Ever wonder why high IQ Jews and Palestinians can’t get along? Could it be because the Arab IQ is so inbred and low? How much can one blame on the Jews?
Needless to say, I strongly disagree with the thrust of this argument. The Palestinian people are native to that land, and their IQ figure is about in line with other Arab nations in the region. The problem is not that Arabs are dumb. The problem is that that is the Arabs’ land and the thieving, murdering Jews stole it and are currently stealing more of it at gunpoint, and they shoot and kill any Arabs who tries to stop these degenerate kleptomaniacs. 100% of the Palestinians’ problems are due to the thieving, murdering Jews. Without that bugbear, their problems would be the same as those of any of the other Arab countries around, as in quite manageable.
However, it does bring up an interesting question regarding what the IQ’s are of the Israelis and the Palestinians. After a bit of Googling around, I found these figures:
Ethnic group IQ
Israeli Ashkenazim 107
Israeli Jewish 100
Israeli Sephardic 99
Israeli total 98
Israeli Mizrachi 93
Israeli Arabs/Palestinians 85
Most figures are from here. Israeli Ashkenazim figure is from here. Better figures including a study by James Flynn are here (Flynn 1998; Kaniel and Fisherman 1991). This page seems to prove that Lynn’s widely cited 94-95 figure for Israel is wrong and a better figure is 98. The figure for Palestinians is a result of a recent study done by Richard Lynn (Bakhieta and Lynn 2014).
Feel free to discuss and make of these figures what you will.
Flynn, J. R. (1998). “Israeli Military IQ Tests: Gender Differences Small; IQ Gains Large.” Journal of Biosocial Science 30: 541-553.
Kaniel, S. and Fisherman, S. (1991). Level of Performance and Distribution of Errors in the Progressive Matrices Test: A Comparison of Ethiopian Immigrant and Native Israeli Adolescents. International Journal of Psychology 26: 25-33.
A fine new Indian Hindu commenter named Janardhan has appeared on our blog, and he repeats some of the same things that other insightful Hindus such as ILOR, Rahul, and Pranav have said. This shows us that not all Indian Hindus are bad people and that some of them are capable of looking inwards and trying to better their society. I consider both Rahul and Pranav at least to be strong Indian patriots who simply want the best for their country. As they see it, getting the best for India is going to require some massive changes, hence their critical patriotism.
Hindus have a strange mix of superiority and inferiority complexes. Deep down they massage their ego about how their civilization was ‘da greatest’ with a total ignorance about other civilizations and their achievements.
According to Hindus, Ancient India compared to the rest of the world is equivalent to comparing the city of Vienna during Mozart with highlanders in Papua New Guinea. As if Ancient India was like this huge Vienna while the rest of the world were primitive.
But during the last centuries they were first enslaved by Muslims from Central Asia/Persia (whom they consider savage bloodthirsty barbarians, ignoring the intellectual side of Islamic civilization, which itself was plagiarized to a good extent from Greek learning) and then by Europeans.
One difference was that in the case of Islamic invaders they could hide under the carpet the invaders’ intellectual side, and they are thus dehumanized as savage bloodthirsty monsters (this label is justified though, as the Islamic rulers were quite brutal). But when the Europeans, especially the British, came, they could not ignore their obvious technological superiority with their steam engines and telegraphs.
Thus the conflicting superiority/inferiority complex feelings.
They were as per their myth Numero Uno Civilization in the world, but now they are nearly at the bottom. White people with their strange but seeming superior looks and behavior give us an inferiority complex. Besides, even the Japanese/ Koreans are way ahead of us, and now the Chinese are racing ahead. Mainland Indians just cannot accept the rise of China: “Those Chinkis like the Chinkis of Nepal and North Eastern Indians going ahead of us, not possible,” we say.
Thus the desire to prove ancient India being as technologically advanced as the modern world since the modern technological world is 90% a White creation and we cannot fathom a people other than us could have done so.
I think this is same with the Arabs with their Islam. Islam, the last word of God and having an Arab as its last and greatest prophet, has fallen behind the White nonbelievers. Oh, the horror.
Blacks? Well, most Indians consider Blacks as some savage monkey people anyways.
I would say we Indians are some of the most racist people in the world, but our racism is very subtle.
As someone who works in mental health, I would like to point out the obvious. A person with both a massive superiority and inferiority complex going at the same time is a common creature. This is typical for Cluster B personality types: especially Narcissistic and Borderline Personality Disorders. But it associated more with narcissism than anything else. In fact, all proper analyses of narcissism begin with the supposition that what is going on in narcissism is often a huge inferiority complex which is apparently being compensated for by its opposite, a huge superiority complex.
My view is that the worse the narcissist’s inferiority complex, the greater their superiority complex must be to compensate for it. Whereas if one feels only a bit inferior, one has only to feel a bit superior to compensate, as all human beings are trying to equalize things and get at what I call the “zero state” of perfect equilibrium where everything is ok. Many analyses of the Indian personality on this site have noted the profound narcissism apparent in most Indian Hindus. In many cases, this also looks like solipsism, but then narcissism and solipsism tend to go together anyway (Look at the Jews, the most solipsistic people on Earth).
This blog tries too hard, and still only manages to draw one or two angry Indians — if that.
There is no hatred of the ‘White man,’ including even of the British, because Whites aren’t special enough to warrant hating. While there’s a consistent income gap between Black and White Americans, there is an even larger Indian-White income gap in favor of Indians.
India’s relationship with so-called White nations is similar to that of Japan. We don’t feel threatened and are progressing quickly enough to put history behind us.
But I think you’ve missed a fundamental shared characteristic of Indians, so much so that this blog can never be reconciled with reality. In fact, of all the stereotypes of Indians, I think this is the only one with any real merit. Indians have a kind of “brotherly love” predisposition which is hard to describe.
The second a Pakistani, for example, shows any type of support for an Indian, he or she can expect an endless stream of positive responses and absolutely no negative ones.
Recently there was a poll done to determine India’s second (after Gandhi) “greatest” individual. India’s first Muslim president received the most votes, even over the likes of even Nehru, who only ranked 15th. Despite the poll’s assumption that Gandhi was bar none the greatest Indian, polls including Gandhi invariably show Ambedkar (India’s Dalit activist and philosopher) ahead, usually ranking Ambedkar first or second.
But I guess you still may be able to twist this around to still trash Indians.
I suspect the main motivation for this blog and the posters on here is that Indians you come across don’t consider you as great as you consider yourself. This ends up coming across as arrogance to you, so you feel the need to react by trying to situate them further below you in the imaginary hierarchy you had before meeting them. Indians don’t react as negatively as you had hoped and so the effect is repeated and overall magnified.
Combine that with confirmation bias and then you eventually reach the conclusion that Indians have no good qualities whatsoever, have never accomplished anything, and are scheming to take over the world. But you can’t afford them anything positive, so you then say they don’t have the capability to do anything special like take over the world in the first place. It’s all pretty sad, really.
That is very interesting about that poll.
But how come every Hindu one meets has an extreme hatred of Muslims and/or Pakistan then? What’s it about? If Ambedkar is such a hero to most Indians, then why is India still mired in the most barbaric casteism known to mankind?
It doesn’t make any sense.
And I am starting to think that like most Indians, just about everything “Seriously?” says is a lie. There is hatred of the White man, and it’s most prominent among Hindus. Among Hindutvadis and on Hindutvadi websites, hatred for European White Christians and their civilization is quite extreme. I have even seen some of it in Indian nationalist Sikhs (most of the Sikhs in my town are actually strident Indian nationalists).
I treat Indian people the same way I treat any other human. I thought they were extremely cool for a long time until I finally started to figure out what was really going on with these people, and since then, I have been less than impressed.
The most arrogant of all Indians around my town are surely the Hindus. They are much worse than the Sikhs. They have a strange attitude. They really do think they and their civilization is superior, but on the other hand, they are not going to tell you two words about it, and if you ask them anything about it, they get suspicious and hostile and act like they think like you are an enemy spy, and they clam up and shut down.
What you have here are people who have extreme pride in one of the backwards, barbaric, and reactionary civilizational structures known to mankind. From a Left POV, that is nothing to cheer about.
Then you look at the country they have created, or really destroyed, and you start to put it all together. This throwback socio-religious culture has created one of the most outrageous and pathetic civilizational trainwrecks and failed states on the Earth. Of course the civilizational pileup we see on the ground was created cognitively and emotionally by the barbarism inculcated in the Indian mind. The two must be connected.
As long as backwards barbarism continues to rule the Indian mind, we will continue to see the smoking ruins on the ground.
Great comment here by Francis Miville. I’ll let you read it and do whatever you want with it.
Unfortunately, I think you are very mistaken. First piece of bad news: Christianity did NOT start as a religion more compassionate than the Judaism it stemmed from. Turning the other cheek clearly applied only within the fold considered, so as loving one’s enemies.
In Latin (and also in Greek and Aramaic) there are two words to mean an enemy: inimicus which means the guy you really don’t like from within your group or circle of direct acquaintances and who doesn’t like you, and hostes which means those from the hostile world outside your fold, no matter they are actually unfriendly or seem friendly.
Right from the very beginning of the Christian phenomenon to a very recent historical era, you were NOT supposed to befriend the presumed enemies from without, which formed the greater mankind you were not even supposed to pray for by command from Jesus himself: humanity at large is a hostile and damned entity and the community of the truly saved are numerically negligible. Right from the very beginning of Christianity you had far more actual friendships to cancel than new ones to enter so as to become a good Christian.
Early Christianity took wholesale the rightmost Jewish doctrine of then very few Jews actually applied or believed in to that point, and gave an even more restrictive definition of the in-group which namely asked the elect not only to combat actual sins of the kind the pagans committed but thoughts: free thought was the original sin you had to renounce first to.
The thinking was now onwards the church authority’s job and no longer yours. Jesus himself referred to the Jewish fold as his only reference, and he admitted converts from outside Judaism more reluctantly than most Jews then did.
Later on, it appeared that the boundaries of the Christian fold were becoming less and less ethnic in nature and more and more ideological, but that movement was not at all one of greater opening of heart to the outside world Vatican II style.
Quite the contrary, it was made up of more intolerance and exclusivism: the Replacement Theology that prevailed just stipulated that since so many Jews had fallen, the empty places would be taken by the required number of individuals from without but that the overall structure of the chosen people would not change from what it was when the OT was written and that the proportion of that chosen people relatively to humanity would not change neither, that is to say about one to a thousand or even less.
But even then, inter-ethnic and interracial opening were not valued at all, just tolerated at a minimum rate for the new fold to grow when the ethnic community of departure proved too hard to convert: you had to remain in the ethnic group you were born in according to the flesh, as well as in the social class you were born it.
Early Christianity very stringently prohibited all upward social mobility in the fashion of rightmost Judaism and Hinduism with a supplementary touch of intolerance. Racial prejudices were never to be combated: you had to believe in the inequalities generally admitted by all and consider them as divinely-willed. You could not as a born-again Christian go yourself towards other cultures and ethnic groups, even already Christianized ones unless you were mandated to do so as a missionary by the whole church organization.
The Law was not abolished (only Saint Paul held a discourse that seemed very liberating in this regard in the wording’s appearance only, because he was a disciplinarian of the strictest kind in practice; the other apostles and early Church fathers just called for the same law plus far more stringent restrictions): you had to renounce to know about the Jewish law and leave the knowledge of its application and implementation to the authority above you and it was nearly always in the direction of more, not less restriction.
The main fear was that by interpreting the Mosaic Law by yourself you would grant yourself too many indulgences.
For instance separating meat and dairy in the kitchen was not of your concern because meat along all luxury food items would be prohibited to you except for two or three days a year maybe where you would be given some cooked by others. What was feared if you knew too much about the law was your feeling of personal sovereignty over your life.
It must be noted that up to the times of the American and French Revolutions, conversion to Christianity was even more difficult and less easily accorded to neophytes and necessitated more time of preparation than entering most Jewish folds. Only the Jesuits had become to make the process somewhat shorter and more amicable and even then they ended up being outlawed for that very reason.
In sociobiological terms the turn the other cheek attitude was not one of humanism at all but of group solidarity against the outer world : you had to sacrifice yourself and all your whims and preferences for the survival of the community (both the religious one and the ethnic one) not by compassion for the human kind: that was considered perverted in the near-sexual sense.
It was Darwinian minus the Theory of Evolution. Christianity is more strictly incompatible with Communism than any other religion, though it is also as strictly incompatible with economic liberalism of any kind.
Judaism is by its principle far less opposite, as it has actually shown to be with fits and starts at various times in history, until the advent of late established Zionism by which Jews have but very little to identify themselves as Jews with but the existence of Israel on the map, which happens to be a fascist state since about 1967-73. Jews however racist or snobbish towards their non-Jewish contemporaries were often encouraged otherwise to think that in the future it would be otherwise, as the whole human kind would be Jewish at last.
In traditional Christianity such a hope is to be forgone as a main heresy : humanity at large will always be wicked, and it has no future but to persecute the last saints at the end of the world before being itself destroyed by fire, and all humanistic doctrines challenging that Christian anti-humanistic pessimism were to be interpreted as Jewish booby traps set up in the intention of robbing money or achieving a future world dictatorship.
What must be noted is that Christianity is in principle a religion with Love as a fruit but NOT a religion of love: it is by its own NT definition a religion of the discourse (logos), of the preached word you have to submit to unconditionally by renouncing to all personal ideas with an intolerance towards whomever tempts you in contrary direction to be as directly as possible imitated from OT.
Love in the Christian sense is better thought of as care: though that care is for fellow Christians or potential Christians, and even more eternal truths approaching you from God, never humans as such and even less humanity or anything intended towards the good of the latter such as social or technical progress.
Though it is the main theological virtue, is only conditional and instrumental to the process of salvation brought about by submission to the divine Logos, which is NOT the Logos as defined by Athenian philosophy as accessible through reasoning, discussion, and exchange of ideas: for traditional Christianity as was crystallizing right after the first Resurrection news, Satan is free discussion in person, the element of air.
The fact that now Judaism has become more difficult, intolerant and anti-humanistic (even though it was always so to a certain good degree) than Christianity which seems now to be sentimentally humanistic (but that impression it gives is very recent: it started with Anglican Latitudinarianism in the 1680-1730’s, continued with Dickens’ and Victor Hugo’s literary approach and was finalized about 1960 with Vatican II), testifies to the exceptionally inverted times we are witnessing, which could be apocalyptic, though this is far, far from certain.
The only sign pointing towards that direction among many others that still lack is the Jews having gone back to Israel, but it may well be a misfire as many Jewish scriptures and admonition by sages clearly state that the Jews will have to make no specific effort and even less any move of conquest to get back to their point of departure as divinely intended: otherwise they are due for a splendid defeat and maybe a few other millennia of Diaspora or the realization that they have never been Jews at all actually.
Among the numerous other apocalyptic syndromes, clearly lacking are general abandonment of Christianity by humanity: this is true only for the Modern West which now comprises less than 10%;, elsewhere in the world, it is a faith in greater expansion than ever, conquering deep Africa and just starting to bite into Asia.
But conversion of the Jewish fold to Jesus’ teaching as it is abandoned by all other peoples: we are further from that point than ever. The most probable immediate outcome, if we are to believe the best-established narrative, is as a kind of harsh retribution by the jilted Christian God, a military conquest of most of Europe by Islam as it happened earlier with the Christian nations of the former Middle East and Byzantine Empire, while other parts of the world become more Christian and also more prosperous while the West turns into a kind of Iraq-Syria.
A lesser but important syndrome to watch before any true apocalypse can happen is the Jews losing their whole financial fortune to return to the exact lifestyle they had in Antiquity as well as all former Christian countries losing all their political power and scientific knowledge once they have given up believing.
This will be probably true for the US quite soon (my opinion is that the US brand of “Christianity” is the religion most contrary to Christianity ever devised, rather a kind of Jewier than Jew Noachidism for Jesus that could jettison Jesus at once as soon as Israel stringently asks for all pilgrims to go to Jerusalem), but once it has happened, it will turn out to have been a numerically negligible part of the world, setting a very negative example not to imitate for millennia to come maybe.
Summary: This woke bullshit was a terrible idea back then when it started, and it’s probably an even more terrible idea now.
They would never join us, but I’d say the site in the link is Alt Left or at least a form of the Alt Left. All anti-IP, anti-SJW, or anti-woke liberalism and Leftism is really just Alt Leftism.
This site has already been described by a thoughtful author as “Anti-Woke Left.” The author writes on American Renaissance. It’s either Chris Roberts or Gregory Hood, but I’m inclined to think it’s Chris because he came out of the Left and continues to write about the Left at that extremely rightwing publication. Amren is a White nationalist publication or White Supremacist if you want to think that way. Problem is that the editor, Jared Taylor, thinks Asians are superior to Whites. So it’s hard to argue that he’s a White Supremacist.
I actually comment on there because nobody else will have me. I get banned from almost all Left and liberal sites very quickly for my anti-woke politics. On the other hand, the commenters are not just racist – they are wildly, fanatically, off-the-charts racist in a way that few Whites are anymore.
Which is one more reason why their project will fail. They refuse to tone it down, probably because they can’t. They can’t tone it down possibly because the project is inherently radical and extremist and hence will always only attract such types. There’s not much in the White Nationalist movement for the average White person.
This is one more reason we need to get away from this crap term White Supremacy. Yes, this was a powerful thing for a long time in this country, but it’s all but dead. Even Whites who like being White are hardly White Supremacists. And many non-Whites also very racist, especially against Blacks. They’re left out of this whole thing. The percentage of actual White Supremacists or potential White Nationalists among Whites ranges from 6-9%. That’s a very low number. It’s hard to see how this is a movement charging across the country enveloping everything in its grasp or how a whole political party has gone over to it.
How about White racist or racist Whites instead of this White Supremacy/ White Supremacist crap? How about anti-Black racism instead of calling anti-Black non-Whites White Supremacists? Even Blacks who step outside of the BLM/woke line are getting called White Supremacist. That’s pretty stupid. It just goes to show that in any contest about who is the most politically retarded, the Dogmatic Left is always near first place.
Manuel Rodriguez: Back to politics. What is going on in Bolivia is worrying me. We have fascist squads lynching “undesirables” like peasants. We also see that there have been placed barricades with rubbish and tires that block vehicle mobilization, causing people to be fed up and remove the barricades. You know what this all reminds me? The guarimbas of 2014 in Venezuela and Nicaragua. I can see where this is going.
Separate: There is an tendency that is pretty worrying going on at least in Latin America.
The people are tired of the structural inequalities from the neoliberal policies of the right, causing them to lose in elections whenever they appear as they are, and the people are conscious enough.
The mutation consisted on swapping in the public’s mind the Traditional Right image with Center-Right, which seems like a more popular alternative. The complementary tactic is for thee Center-Right to dress up as the Center-Left, which in reality are already prepared sell-outs whose main purpose is try to divert votes from the Left to help the Right win.
The media did their thing, which was to help Center-Left Boric would win over the Leftist Jadue. The whole purpose of Center-Left Yaku Pérez’ candidacy was to make the Leftist Andrés Arauz lose.
That strategy seems to be being recently changing. They are changing the Center-Right for populist Trump-style fascist Far Right candidates. The most worrying thing is that they are getting a lot of support from the population. Bolsonaro is an classic example. Jose Antonio Kast is a more recent example. It seems that Vamos in Argentina is going to win in the parliament.
I would like to point out that the election in Ecuador was profoundly unfair. First of all, the main opposition party kept getting banned, and its leaders all have warrants out for their arrest on fake charges. This “lawfare” is similar to what was done in Brazil. By the way, the FBI greatly assisted the Brazilian fascists in the lawfare against the Left down there. The US is also engaging in lawfare against Venezuela.
Vamos are Argentine fascists?
Obviously Bolsonaro is a fascist, and Kast is clearly a Pinochet-style Chilean fascist.
Why are people voting fascist? I don’t get it. Although Chile and Argentine both have deep fascist blocs in each country, in my opinion mostly because those are majority-White countries. Brazil is also a majority-White country, which may be why they are going fascist too.
In Latin America nowadays, where you lack a White majority, fascism is hard to install because Latin non-Whites hate fascism. They’ve had quite enough of it. However, they do support it in Colombia. On the other hand, Colombia is also a fairly White country. Fascist roots in Colombia go back to Independence. The country simply has developed a culture of popular fascism for whatever reason. Turkey is very similar. The people get no benefit for voting fascist, but they keep doing it anyway.
There are fascist governments in non-White Haiti, Honduras, and Paraguay, but all of those are dictatorships. The Right seized power with fascist coups – armed in Haiti and Honduras and legislative in Paraguay – and they have ruled by dictatorship ever since.
In the Americas, Whiteness is associated with rightwing authoritarianism and fascism. In Europe this is not the case, but Whites are a huge majority over there. It appears that Whites go fascist when they are in the minority, but Argentina and Chile are majority-White, so I don’t get it.
Really any population descended from the Catholic Spaniards divides into the typical Far Right-Far versus Left Collectivist pattern. This pattern is also seen in Greece, Italy, Portugal, Turkey, and Lebanon, all Mediterranean countries. This is also seen now somewhat in France. Spain, France, and Italy are Catholic, Greece is Orthodox, Turkey is Muslim, and Lebanon is mostly Catholic and Muslim. Mediterranean countries are collectivist, so politics tends to be collectivist. Islam, Catholicism, and Orthodox Christianity are collectivist religions.
Left collectivism is Communism and socialism, while Right collectivism is fascism.
The Catholic East European fascism in Poland and Hungary is different and has a Catholic socially conservative and anti-Communist tint. Liberation theology never took hold in Eastern Europe except in Czechia, where there is a long tradition of “Catholic Communism.”
In Ukraine, the Baltics, and Belarus, the fascism is simply Nazism, pure and simple. Ukraine and Belarus are Orthodox, and the Baltics are Catholic (Lithuania) and Protestant (Latvia and Estonia). The Nazism here stems from World War and the independence movements in these countries making alliances with the Nazi occupiers who promised them independence. The Communists in turn were seen as anti-nationalists who thwarted these nations independence dreams. See below for more on that.
In Orthodox Georgia and Russia, fascism nationalist – ethnic nationalist in Georgia or simply nationalist or “Russian Empire nationalist” in Russia.
Protestant Northern Europe is more individualistic. The Right there is just about dead except in the UK and the Baltics. The Right in the UK is a pale copy of US politics. See below for the anti-Communist roots of the Right in the Baltics.
The Right in the northern individualist parts of Europe is mostly anti-Muslim. It’s conservatism is toned down like all politics in Northern Europe is toned down, so it’s not really fascist, instead a type of Woke Anti-Islam. Otherwise they are very left on social issues. One of their leaders in the Netherlands was a gay man. And they support a more socialist economics, but this is the case for both the Right and Left in most of Europe proper other than the Baltics.
The Economic Right is only popular in the UK, where the political economics mirrors the US, and in Czechia, the Baltics, Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia. In all of these places except the UK, it is an anti-Communist reaction where many people are angry about living under Communism in the past, so they have gone to extreme Right economics as an overreaction.
In Estonia and Latvia, support for the economic Right has been disastrous and has almost destroyed both countries. The Economic Right has little power in Russia and Belarus, with only 10-20% support. It is in power in Ukraine but only because Ukraine has outlawed the parties of half the population, the Russian-speakers. In the Baltics and Ukraine, the anger towards Communism is because the Communists stifled independence movements, though it was Communists who set them free. Anti-Communism is also part of Hungarian and Polish fascism. Anti-Communism in both countries often had an odd socialist tinge.