I got flagged for “advocating sexual assault” or something. But the post was against sexual assault, and it was actually very much pro-consent. I think the SJW’s reported me because when the computers flag you, it is almost instantaneous. And SJW’s are about as vicious and dishonest as (((those people.))) In fact, they are remarkably alike. They both have an apocalyptic, take no prisoners, hardball, ends justifies the means, “if we don’t stop them now we’re all going to die” mindset. They’re both tribes of fanatics who believe they are in a life or death war all the time and the rules have to be thrown out to deal with the ever-present emergency.
I appealed the decision and Twitter thankfully reversed the decision.
Twitter is getting a lot better about flagging and banning people. They’re not doing it nearly as much.
Later, some (((typical lousy person))) reported me for “inciting violence.” There was a video of a kid throwing a Molotov cocktail at an Israeli jeep. I cheered it on and said that this was a war, and all Israeli soldiers were legitimate military targets. The (((typical disgusting maggot))) reported me (((very dishonestly))), but you know, that’s what those people specialize in – lying, cheating, stealing, and just general out and out dishonesty. He reported me for “inciting violence.” Twitter flagged me and said my post was removed for “inciting violence.” “You are not allowed to incite violence against other persons.” Wait a minute. Not even in a war? Not even versus enemy soldiers in a war? See? These policies lose all sense of nuance.
I just got flagged again and this made me even more mad because instead of a (((typical pathological liar))), this time a computer itself flagged me!
The post was about a Nicaraguan arrested by the government for taking money from the US to set off a violent coup that attempted to overthrow the government by force. 300 people died in this coup attempt. The Nicaraguan government recently passed a law that says you can’t take money from foreign governments to use it to try to overthrow the democratically elected state.
In most countries, trying to overthrow the government by force is considered high treason. These people are seen as traitors all over the world. The usual punishment for the crime of treason is hanging.
So I commented that he was a traitor and I said, Hang him high! I don’t actually advocate that this man get hanged. So what, right? He’s a traitor, he committed treason against his homeland, so all over the world, the response to that is…execution, right?
Well as soon as I said, Hang him high!, a damned computer flagged me and banned me for 12 hours. I was banned for “inciting violence against other persons.” “You may not incite violence against other persons.”
Isn’t that a bit ridiculous though? What’s wrong with inciting violence (execution) people guilty of high treason? Is that really what we think of when we think of inciting violence?
What if a serial killer is in court and someone says, Fry him in the electric chair! Do they get flagged for “inciting violence?” Why should they? What’s wrong with advocating violence (execution) for multiple murderers? I don’t agree with capital punishment, but advocating that the worst criminals be executed is hardly what we think of when we think of “inciting violence,” is it not?
What if Hitler was alive and you wrote, Kill Hitler! Indeed, that would be “inciting violence” against this man. But what would be wrong with that? “Inciting violence” is often problematic, though it’s usually legal in the US as protected speech. But should calls to kill Hitler, were he alive, be listed under incitement of violence? That’s a bit dumb, no?
A computer banned me! That computer is obviously programmed to look for that phrase among other unwanted words and phrases. But what was wrong with what I said?
As you can see, these computers are dumb as rocks. They have zero ability to do nuance, gradation, the spirit of the law or rule and not the letter, a sense of proportion, on and on. This is what our system of law is supposed to be all about. Each case is supposed to be judged on its unique particular merit. A computer can’t do that and probably never could.
Faceberg just banned me for 24 hours. Once again, a computer banned me. Apparently I got banned for using the word tranny to describe trannies. Apparently tranny is hate speech, according to trannies anyway. Very quickly after I made that comment, the ban hammer came down. There was no way that anyone reported me that fast. A damned computer was simply searching for the next sucker to type the word tranny so it could lay the ban hammer down.
I got flagged twice in 30 days, so I am banned from Faceberg for 24 hours. Earlier, it said I harassed or bullied someone. Actually, this was a false charge too, and this must also have been flagged by a computer. I wanted to type someone’s name without putting their name out there, so I wrote Fat Clown because that is what their name sounds like.
Although I bullied or harassed no one, the idiot computer, dumb as a rock again, assumed that I was calling someone a fat clown, and therefore I was bullying or harassing someone. Once again, the computer has no common sense. Any human with basic common sense would have reversed that ban right away. But computers lack nuance, the essence of common sense, so they can’t do that.
There is something rather awful about the feeling that one is being banned from social media by a Goddamned computer! It feels very creepy. Like HAL2000 himself banned me. Of course, Fuckerberg could always hire more humans instead of having idiot computers banning people, but he’s a capitalist shit, and that cuts into his bottom line.
I really don’t like where this is headed. We are getting towards the point where idiot computers are disciplining and imposing punishments on us. What’s next? Will they be arresting us? This feeling is a particular sort of awful, like we are living in a dystopic science fiction novel.
Dating sites are full of these scammers in the last few years.
A friend of mine almost got nailed for this. Admittedly, hers was a little different.
She out and out told him that she was 17, two weeks shy of her 18th birthday. AOC in California is 18. Well, to a lot of men, “two weeks shy of my 18th birthday” means you’re 18 years old. I don’t care that he did this. In fact, I worry if I would have enough self-control not to.
However, several years ago, a miracle happened, Jesus came back down to Earth briefly and dropped an 18 year old girl in my lap to be my girlfriend. Then he flew back to Wherever.
Truth is she was 17, two weeks shy of her 18th birthday when we started dating or hanging out. We held hands, put our arms around each other, hugged a bit, and kissed pecks on the lips, but that was it. We figured that was legal, but I was really scared to take it any farther at all. But she kept bugging me to take it further and it was really hard to say no. She ended up falling head over heels on love with me, wanted to marry me, have my kids, the whole nine yards, then three months in, she dumps me. Anyway, dating’s not illegal. Anybody can date anyone. It’s having sex that might be illegal
They figure, “Fuck it, she’s basically 18.” I have no idea how the pigs would treat it nowadays. I assume the FBI pigs would probably put you on the Sex Crimes most wanted list for doing it with a girl two weeks shy of her 18th birthday. That’s how deranged the pigs and the system are nowadays, all thanks for feminists.
I grew up in the 1970’s, and no one gave two shits about jailbait teenage girls. They were known as “dangerous” because they’re horny as Hell, don’t have a lot of experience, often think boys their age are immature, and not a few of them love men. Not boys, men. College age men dating high school girls was an absolutely normal back then, but at some point, you might want to knock it off.
They let you get away with it for a few years, but as the man got older, they started cracking down. I remember a case of a divorced 53 year old man who had with a number of 15 year old high school girls in trade for pot and coke. Of course the little sluts knew exactly what they were doing. Most of them love to fuck and they were freely screwing this guy for dope of their own free will. No girl ever got harmed by this nonsense, which is consensual anyway.
Well, he got caught, and even though people were notoriously laissez-faire about this stuff back then. I don’t even recognize this planet anymore in regard to this issue as it seems like I’m living among pod people who are barely even and probably not human. That’s how different things are from 40 years ago. Anyway, this guy got three years in prison. Nowadays he’d probably get beat up as a “chomo,” but back then, prisoners were sane, and he’d probably be the hero of the prison for being an old dog and banging all those hottie JB’s. Yep, even prison convicts have gone insane. Back then, you were marked if you went after little girl children, but no inmate cared about jailbaits.
The interesting thing is that everyone in my family, including me, thought the guy deserved it. Three years seemed about right. There wasn’t really anything wrong with what he did, but we thought the age gap was too extreme. 18-23 year old guy and 15 year old girl, no one really cared. 30 year old guy and 15 year old guy would raise eyebrows, as it was very uncommon, but no one cared about that either. But 53 and 15? Not just one 15 year old girl, but several? Hey, wait a minute. There was something unseemly, disturbing, not quite right, etc. about it. Society has a right to any sort of reasonable morals it wants, and even back then, a lot of people thought 53 and multiple 15 year old girls went over the line.
See, back then, people were sane, not like nowadays when everyone’s a shithead. They believed in degrees and sliding scales and continua and extenuating factors and the spirit of the law, not the letter. Now everyone’s a black and white dipshit twitching with mass hysteria and wild-eyed with moral panic.
Here’s the write-up of the scam I found on the web. It matches what my friend went through.
1. You are on some kind of adult dating or chat site — either heterosexual or gay– where a person says they are over 18, and either sends you (or lures you into sending them) sexy pictures.
2. Then they say that they are actually 16, or 14, or some other age under 18.
3. Next, the “father”, the “mother” or a “detective” calls or texts you and demands money to keep them from filing charges. Often, the money is supposed to replace a “smashed phone”, “computer”, or something else… even a car that the “minor wrecked while going to meet up with you”. Sometimes they “send the minor to a juvenile military boot camp”.
4 The tip-off is that they want payment by Western Union, MoneyGram, iStore credit, Paypal.Me, Snapcash, Zelle, CashApp, money order, or gift cards BUT NOT by cash or checks. 5. Don’t buy gift cards and give them the numbers. Don’t Zelle or CashApp money. There is no minor child, no father, no mother, no detective, no wrecked car, no damaged garage door, and no ruined computer.
6. You are not alone. Questions about this scam come up several times a week here on AVVO.
7. Just to be clear: THIS IS A SCAM. THIS SCAM HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. THERE IS NO FATHER, NO GIRL, NO FBI, NO DETECTIVE, NO COUNSELING, NO THERAPY, and NO EARLY TERMINATION FEES ON THE PHONE, and the “girl” does not have a hospital bill from “her” suicide attempt.
8. The best thing to do is block their numbers and ignore them. You can report them to the police for fraud and extortion, but without an ID that is a dead end. They use “burner” phones and spoof caller ID to make you think that it is the police number.
9. If you want to fool around with them, offer to send a check, or offer to meet them somewhere with cash. They WILL NOT give you their name or address, and will not meet with you. Green Dot cards & MoneyPak, Western Union, Target and Walmart gift cards, Cash App or Zelle, Bitcoin ATM machines, eBay, Google Play, iTunes, and Amazon prepaid/reloadable cards and the like are all ANONYMOUS ways to receive money, and the scammers will not identify themselves or they would risk being arrested for EXTORTION.
It’s not pathological for a man of any age to have sex with a teenage girl of any age. That’s clear from the debates around DSM-5 Hebephilia which wished to pathologize men who have a preference for girls under 15 over mature females. The criteria would probably have been been severe and persistent fantasies of pubertal girls, so that would rule out most men. However, fully 21% of all men are more attracted to girls under 13 than they are to mature females!
I realize that figure is shocking, but bear with me. It’s been born out by study after study.
I did some research on the local Yokuts Indians from a site in the 1600’s-1700’s. They had a series of skeletons of young women who had all died. They were between ages of 27-35. The assumption was that this was a woman’s lifespan among this primitive tribe. She was dead by age 31! If a woman is going to be dead by age 31, she’d best start having kids at age 16 or maybe even younger. If she starts breeding at age 16, her children will be 15 when she dies. Starting at 15, her kids would be 16 when she died. Starting at 14, her kids would be 17 when she died.
In Mexico, they marry their women and start breeding them at age 14, and it is usually an adult man who marries her. In most primitive tribes, there is a coming of age ceremony around age 15. Even today among most primitive tribes, girls and boys are both considered full adults at age 15. According to modern, advanced American thinking, 100% of the people in primitive tribes today are child molesters and pedophiles! See how stupid that sounds? 95% of the American population actually thinks like this.
You might think it’s terrible for a teen’s mother to die when the teen is 15-17 years old, but back then, that was just normal. The kids would not be left adrift anyway as by that age, they were all no longer boys and girls but full-fledged men and women.
Furthermore, sad events that are normalized in your society may not be very traumatizing. Much of the trauma occurs because people are told that something horrible has happened to them. Before they get told that, they were often not sure of how to process the event. If instead we told that that what happened was wrong or bad but it was no big deal and they would get over it, you would see the trauma rates collapse.
Tell someone they’ve been traumatized and guess how they act? They act traumatized! In our society, we’ve decided that 50% of life is traumatizing, especially with the snowflakes and their safe spaces and microaggressions. No wonder so much young people seem so nuts these days. We’ve been yelling at them that they’re being traumatized all the time all through childhood and teen years and it doesn’t even get better when they grow up. So they act, duh. Traumatized! Of course once you have a Traumatizing Society, you need to set up a huge Trauma Industry dedicated to making mountains out of molehills and ensuring that grown adults remain pussified babies long into adulthood.
The modern notion that people are all little tiny children until the day they hate 18 is insane. It’s backed up by notions that the brain is not fully matured by 17. Well, it’s not fully matured by age 24-26 either, so let’s put the age of consent for sex and the majority at age 25! After all, you’re only an adult when your brain is mature, right?
Truth is that people mature at different ages. In early times in the West, children were considered “little adults” and were often treated as such. It’s not known if they matured earlier then but maybe they did. Treat someone like a kid, they act like a kid. Treat someone like an adult, they act like an adult.
Although this sounds very groovy and compassionate to our postmodern, late capitalist, metrosexual, 3rd Wave feminist ears, the truth is that for 200,000 years of our evolution, no human gave two shits that the brain didn’t fully mature until age 25, although they probably had some notion of the idea. They simply didn’t feel it was worth thinking about because frankly it isn’t.Our present culture infantalizes teenagers and young adults to an extreme degree. Infantalizing humans doesn’t seem to be a good idea to me, but maybe “modern people” have other ideas. After all, treat someone like a baby and they act like one, right?
Further, most primitive tribes allow both boys and girls to start having sex at puberty, around age 13. The girls often have sex with boys, but sometimes they have sex with men. For instance, the typical marriage among the Blackfoot Indians was between a man aged 35 and a 15 year old girl. Our “modern, scientific, compassionate” society would state unequivocally that all Blackfoot men were pedophiles or child molesters for the thousands of years that the tribe was in existence.
Isn’t that a stupid way to think? Look how stupid we are! We’re surrounded by all these damned gadgets, we are so technologically advanced that we’re about to become literal aliens, we can cure or help most diseases, we understand most of the most important questions, including the biggies or we’re on our way to figuring them out. Unified Theory, here we come!
But some goddamned primitive Indian with a digging stick and a rock to grind acorns in who doesn’t know the first thing about technology, science, or medicine has more wisdom we “advanced” clowns do. For Chrissake, we may be advancing technologically, but we’re going backwards in terms of wisdom. How pathetic is it that Silicon Valley ultra-technologists have less wisdom that some primitive tribe eking out an existence in the jungle? Are we too civilized for our own damn good? It’s possible to get so “civilized,” protective, pampering, and fussy that you’re not even rational anymore. That my modern colleagues have less wisdom than some spearchucker in the jungle is a pretty sad statement!
From age 13-15, most girls are not very fertile, so it’s hard to get pregnant.
The debate around Hebephilia ended up concluding that even having a strong preference for pubertal children as sex partners was not mentally disordered. Further, it wasn’t even abnormal! Having been in chatrooms full of these guys, I’m not so sure about that, but it’s best to keep as much sex crap out of the DSM as we can.
It was even decided that having sex with 13-15 year old girls if one had a preference for them was not mentally disordered either because most crimes are not mental disorders and most criminals aren’t nuts. Instead, the argument was that these men weren’t nuts – instead they were just criminals, with being criminal and being nuts as two different things!
Of course most crooks aren’t nuts. They’re just bad. Are there disorders called Murder Disorder, Mugging Disorder, Fraudster Disorder, Batterer Disorder, Attempted Murder Disorder, Burglar Disorder, Robber Disorder, Forger Disorder, etc.? Well, of course not.
In mental health all we care about is if something is nuts or not. Hence we don’t care much about criminal behavior because most crooks aren’t nuts. We leave that to the judicial system to deal with and moral philosophers to decide what to allow and forbid. If people are disordered, we say they are abnormal. If people are not disordered, we say they are normal.Obviously a lot of real bad people are not disordered. So we are forced to call a lot of criminal behavior and most criminals normal because neither one is generally crazy. So a lot of very bad behavior and people are “normal” in the sense that they’re not nuts.
So a man of any age having sex with a teenage girl of any age does not make him sexually abnormal, as it’s completely “normal” behavior, as in, it’s not nuts, and even, looking at human history and other cultures, in most places and times, it was more or less normal.
But normal behavior doesn’t necessarily mean ok behavior. It just means that the behavior is not crazy.
The statutory rape matter is a moral and legal problem, not a psychological one.
We in mental health do not like to pathologize crimes and morally unethical behavior as psychological disorder. This is outside of what we care about and off into the lands of moral philosophers, religious thinkers, and legal theorists. It is in the area of right and wrong, good and bad, and good and evil. Most criminal behavior is not driven by psychological disorder. It’s driven by a defective moral conscience.
So whether it should be legal for a man of whatever age to have sex with a teenage girl or whatever age is a moral matter, a moral question. Perhaps you feel it is the worst behavior on Earth. Perhaps you think it’s completely ok and should be legal. Probably you are somewhere between those views. All of those views about this behavior are valid, as everyone and hence society itself is entitled to reasonable moral values of right and wrong.
Why was there an attempt to shove Hebephilia into the DMSO category in the first place. Because it was a game. A game called “Call Em Crazy, Lock Em up as Dangerous Forever, and Throw Away the Key.” Otherwise known as preventive detention. Or putting people in prison for life for the crime of “dangerousness.”
The game here is make a lot of the sexual behavior we dislike into “mental illnesses.” Because the only way we can lock someone up forever on the bullshit charge of “dangerousness” (there’s no such crime) is if they’re nuts. Yep. You can be dangerous as Hell, and as long as you’re not officially crazy and you’re just a mean SOB, it’s all kosher.
Obviously most sex offenders are not the slightest bit nuts, so a scam was made up to call them crazy so we could lock them up forever in preventive detention (which is probably illegal) for the rest of their lives because we think maybe they might sort of kind of a little bit possibly theoretically plausibly do something, we don’t know what, to someone, we don’t who, somewhere, we don’t know where, somehow, we don’t know how.
That’s unconstitutional on its face.
The only people you can lock up like are the dangerously mentally ill, and you are supposed to release them when they get better, except we never do because no matter how much better they get, we always say they’re not better enough. So we wanted to lock all these poor sops away forever, but we couldn’t because they weren’t nuts, they were just bad people, you know, like most criminals? So a scam was created to make up a bunch of “mental disorders” out of what are mostly just kinks and sexual perversions, when it’s doubtful whether any kinky or perverted people are actually nuts.
Generally they’re not nuts. They’re just perverts. Perverts aren’t nuts. They’re perverted. Two different things.
So they made up a fake mental disorder called Pedophilia to lock up all the child molesters forever, although most men in preventive detention are nonpedophilic molesters. Also they never let them out even when they get better because no matter how much better they get, the cops still say they’re not better enough yet. When will they be better enough? When they’re dead! It’s right out of Kafka. They just sit and rot forever. All because, you know, think of the children! And the usual pearl clutching we Americans so excel at.
So we decided all the chomos and short eyes had a “mental disease” called “Pedophilia” that made them “insane” or if you prefer “crazy.” Well, it doesn’t make you insane and it doesn’t even make you crazy. It might make you do bad things, but it doesn’t make you nuts. And since we decided on no rational basis whatsoever that all of these people were permanently dangerous, we have locked them all away forever on the basis that they are “dangerously mentally ill.” It’s all a big joke.
Dangerously mentally ill is supposed to be for the paranoid schizophrenic who grabs a gun and climbs a tower. It’s not for run of the mill criminals. Merely being dangerous as opposed to being nuts and dangerous is not granted the penalty of preventive detention because it’s decided that as long as you’re not nuts, you have at least some ability to control your dangerous behavior because obviously if you’re nuts, you lose that ability.
How about all the other paraphilias? Why don’t we decide they’re all dangerously mentally ill too? There’s nothing preventing it. The peeping toms? The flashers? The fetishists? The masochists? The sexual sadists? The first two are low level criminals so no one cares, the third are harmless except to women’s panties, shoes, and pocketbooks, the fourth only hurt themselves so no one cares, but the fourth? The sexual sadists? One might make the case that some convicted sexual sadists are dangerously mentally ill, but they never go down on this stuff. Only the Chesters. Because, you know, everyone hates Touchers. Think of the children!
One might think that as Antisocial Personality Disorder is in the DSM, a lot of these guys could go down on dangerously mentally ill, but there’s a serious argument whether any personality disordered person is mentally ill per se as opposed to be what I would call sick, character disordered, twisted, etc. Axis 2 people are what I call “soul-sick.” They’re permanently disordered, but the issue is at the core of their selves so they’re not really mentally ill. Instead, they are “sick.”
But nope, no PD’s go down on dangerously mentally ill. We save that for the sex criminals! Because, you know, the sex criminals are really so much worse than your ordinary variety criminals who burgle, rob, thieve, defraud, beat, maim, mug, shoot, stab, torture, and kill people because as long as they’re not fucking anyone while they’re doing it, it’s never quite so bad, you see? Because Puritanism. Obviously it’s so much worse to do bad things when you are fucking someone as opposed to just, you know, doing bad things when you don’t happen to be fucking anyone. Because whether you’re fucking someone or not when you commit your crime makes such a difference!
There has been a very devious attempt lately to sneak another mentally disordered sex offender (MDSO) into the mix.
But first notice that they singled out the sex criminals for permanent preventive detention as opposed to, you know, your garden variety maniacs. But why? Why do only sex criminals deserve preventive detention as opposed to regular murderers, muggers, and robbers? Because moral panic. That’s why.
They went after the rapists. Because of course everyone hates rapists. Except we live in a rape culture that says it’s ok to rape and encourages all men to go rape all they want. But at the same time everyone hates rapists. Makes sense, huh? They tried to sneak in a Rape Paraphilic Disorder in order to round up all the rapists just like they rounded up all the Chesters.
Problem? The vast majority of rapists do not have any sort of a paraphilia about rape. They do it for all sorts of reasons. Some like to hurt people (sadistic rapists), some are angry at or hate women (anger rapists) and two different types do it for different power trips – the Power Reassurance Rapist and another that slips my mind. One of these types is the “gentleman rapist” who actually feels bad about raping you! So there are different kinds, and almost all rapists won’t kill you, except the Sadists (5%) are very dangerous, and the Anger Rapists (30%?) may well hurt you but generally won’t kill you unless you fight them, in which case they might.
But men who have a specific paraphilia about rape? That is, they get aroused more by the idea of raping women than by anything else, possibly to the point that unless they rape or pretend to rape, it just doesn’t move the meter? It’s either very uncommon or nonexistent, depending on who you listen to. But of course, once they sneak in Rape Paraphilic Disorder, they’re going to label allthe rapists mentally ill with this fake illness, and lock them all away as MDSO’s! Neat trick, huh? Thankfully the DSM-5 committees stopped that one coming and dodged the bullet.
DSM-5 Hebephilia was shot down on similar grounds, that this was an attempt to round up men who committed statutory rape with young teens (13-15 year old girls) and missed the deadline for going down on Child Molestation (usually under 13). So this way we get to lock up countless men who bang hot to trot little jailbaits forever as dangerously mentally ill.
A simplified version of what's been happening in Sheikh Jarrah as well as what's already happened to so many Palestinians over the years Since 1948, Palestinians were forcibly removed or fled from their homes fearing for their lives. May 15 marks Nakba Day#FreePalaestinepic.twitter.com/k7EU27totG
This is a visualization of what was happening in Sheik Jarrah that set off this whole mess. From the Jewish side, it is true that this was a Jewish neighborhood before 1948. It was home to Yemeni Jews. It was conquered by Jordan and the Jews were either killed or fled. They also destroyed up to 33 synagogues in this area.
And the Arabs took over the homes of the Jews who fled. In Israel, any Arab living on what was formerly Jewish land can be taken to court by Jews and have their land taken away from them. So there is a court case saying that this is formerly Jewish land that Arabs are now living in, so Jews are trying to take it back over.The problem is that the law is unfair. All over Israel there are Jewish families live in the homes and neighborhoods that were formerly owned by Arabs. Can these Arabs go to Israeli courts and get an order throwing out the Jews so the Arabs can take back over their own land? Well, of course not!
In many places, they don’t even bother with such niceties. They certainly don’t in the West Bank and they didn’t in Gaza.
Gangs of armed Jewish thugs have been besieging these Arabs in their homes, trying to throw them out on the street. Sometimes they take over the homes and gunpoint and throw the Arabs out on the street. In other cases, they have taken over half of the homes. In one home, Jews have taken over half of an Arab home. There is constant abuse of all sorts directed at the Arabs. Israeli police and soldiers often accompany the settlers when they go to take over houses.
Note that these settlers were not the original owners. The courts just declare that it’s Jewish land now and any Jew gets to take it over. I saw an interview with one of these earnest young Jews and he said they were going to take over the whole neighborhood as part of a project to take over all of Jerusalem.
You see, Israel conquered East Jerusalem in 1967, and in the process ethnically cleansed a lot of the Palestinians. And by the way, the ones who left don’t get to come back. Since that time, they have been slowly eating away at Arab lands there bit by bit, building by building. Part of the problem is that it is almost impossible to get a building permit in Israel if you are an Arab, even to say add on a room to a house.
So Arabs build illegally. Then the Jews say you built and illegal home or room and come in and tear it down or just take it over. Even a few years ago, East Jerusalem was a nightmare. There were IDF roadblocks everywhere such that it took forever just to go across town. And there were Jewish settlements with police and army guarding them scattered all through the enclave like Swiss Cheese. I saw a video a while back of Arab fathers who were protesting to IDF troops. The men were all crying. They were all saying that they were going to blow themselves up as suicide bombers if Israel didn’t stop stealing their land.
The thing is that this same process is exactly what has been happening in fast motion in 1948-49 and then mostly in slow motion ever since, with a spurt in 1967. This is how Israel takes over Arab land all over Israel and the West Bank. This is the modus operandi. The earnest young man above said that his project was simply part of the Zionist game plan and I had to admit that he was correct. This also goes on in the West Bank all the time. Settlers run amok, harassing, beating and even shooting Arabs and nothing happens to them.
500 Jewish settlers have basically taken over Hebron, a city of 80,000 people. They are scattered in settlements all through the city. They walk around openly carrying weapons and are accompanied by soldiers and police everywhere they go. They abuse the local Palestinians constantly. Also the settlers in the West Bank are constantly stealing more and more land. They set fire to olive groves all the time and put up new “illegal” settlements everywhere, almost almost all of them get to stay.
The West Bank is a nightmare of checkpoints for Arabs and it takes forever to get anywhere. People being raced to the hospital die all the time in these three hour lines at these checkpoints. There are Jews-only towns, cities, roads, you name it. Yep there is a dual road network in the West Bank, one for Jews where you can drive 55 mph everywhere and a nightmare road system for Arabs with checkpoints everywhere. It’s 100% apartheid, in fact, the whole state of Israel is an apartheid state the same as South Africa was. Incidentally, Israel was very closely allied with South Africa during apartheid. Coincidence? I think not.
When you sit back and think about how disgusting the Israeli enterprise really is, it’s a wonder how any decent person can support it. Yet most Americans give strong support to Israel. One wonders if Americans, a country based on racist settler-colonialism, fight a meeting of minds with Israel, another state based on racist settler-colonialism.
The Jews have been pretty good and painting a pretty face on this pig called Israel. The mask really seems to be coming off now and we are seeing this awful country in all of its horror. And a lot of Americans, especially liberal Democrats, are not happy about what they see. It’s getting harder and harder to make the case of Israel as this wonderful country, the only democracy in the Middle East, and all of that crap.
And for the first time, I am seeing a fair number of liberal to Left American Jews saying “No more!” that they’ve had it with Israel and they aren’t supporting this crap anymore. Some are arguing that it goes against Jewish values. I don’t know if that’s true or not but Reform Jews can bake a Jewish religious cake out of anything they wish, so they’re free to make that case and good for them. I’d support any Judaism that has values like that.
As you can see, in Matt Gaetz’ case, the whole case is completely fake. The guy literally did nothing wrong. Furthermore, he lacked mens rea, or a guilty mind, so he’s innocent on that basis alone.
He committed the crime of buying a teen whore, except she lied about her age, and told everyone she was 19 when she was really 17. Actually it looks more like 17 1/2 now that I’m looking into it. By the way, she’s still whoring away. Once a whore always a whore. As soon as Gaetz and friends found out, they got furious at her and ended all contact.
Buying a Whore Means You are a “Sex Trafficker”
At 17, in most states she would be legal, but even there, if you pay her, you just committed “sex trafficking.” Yeah, if you buy a whore, you’re a “sex trafficker.” What a bunch of crap. Because the state, in the midst of an idiot moral panic, decided that all teenage prostitution is “sex trafficking.”
Not just the pimps. Indeed, one can make an argument that most pimps are sex traffickers.
Sex trafficking was supposed to mean women who were sex slaves and forced to prostitute themselves and were not able to escape. This is literally the case with most pimps, though most whores are quite willing to whore themselves out. But most pimps won’t let them leave.
So anytime you see an hysterical headline about “sex trafficking,” it just means whores and pimps, which is like, most whores. Whores have had pimps forever. So there’s nothing new going on here, just the same old same old.
But now all teen prostitutes are supposedly being “sex trafficked” too because that’s how they wrote the stupid law in 2012. Even if they’re doing it on their own, which I assume many are. In that case, apparently they are trafficking themselves! See how none of this shit makes sense?
And now if you’re unlucky enough to buy the services some teen whore is freely offering you, instead of just buying a teen whore, you’re a “sex trafficker”! Yep buying whores is “sex trafficking”! Isn’t that stupid? I would say if you want to make a crime out of it, calling it “Purchasing an Underage Prostitute.” It shouldn’t be much of a crime really, but at least the law would make sense.
In many US states, you can freely fuck all the 16 and 17 year old girls you want, but as soon as you hand her a dollar bill (or I guess a penny) for her services, you broke the law! You’re now a “sex trafficker.” Isn’t that stupid? And you go on the idiot Sex Offender List as a “sex trafficker.”
Also, don’t take a picture of her. You can have sex with all the girls you want as above, just don’t take pictures of any of them. Because if you do, you “manufactured and possessed child pornography.” You know, when we made the kiddie porn laws, I don’t think this is what we were thinking of. And you go on the Sex Offender List as a child pornographer.
Kids are getting busted all over the country for manufacturing, distributing and possessing child pornography when they do their sexting. I don’t have the solution to teen sexting but this insanity doesn’t seem to be it.
By the way, those lists are getting really stupid. There are now 3 million people, almost all men, on these stupid lists. Anyone feel any safer? Somehow I think when we came up with the idea for these lists we didn’t imagine putting 3 million Goddamned men on the list!
By the way, if you commit statutory rape, you go on the idiot list too.
And most states have Sex Offender laws that make it almost impossible for sex offenders to live anywhere except maybe under a bridge. Which is exactly where most of them end up living. I’m sure that’s going to rehabilitate them real good and I’m sure they won’t be more likely to commit new offenses! The worse you treat these guys, the more the offend. Well, that’s the case with child molesters anyway and even with non-offending pedophiles.
These Sex Offender Lists and laws have gone completely out of control. I don’t know what to do about this either, but this ain’t it.
Long, 43 pages. Deals with gruesome matters concerning the brutal sex murders of four female minors – mostly about two young teenage girls aged 13 and 14 but also a bit about related murders of two little girls aged 8 and 10. If you can’t handle such material, don’t read!
The first sections deal with somewhat extraneous material that you may or may not find interesting. If you want to get to the real meat of the post, scroll down to Facts of the Main Suspect in the Case – Mr. X.
I estimate that 85% of what we said here in past years has been shown to be false over time. One problem was we went down the rabbit hole chasing the wrong guy for a couple of years. Turned out he was just some troll who wanted people to think he committed these murders instead of being the person who actually did them.
Thing is, over time your information tends to get better. You learn which rumors have promise and which have not panned out. Also, you develop better sources. We now have search party members who saw the crime scene; official case documents; the testimony of Leigh Kerr, a man who claims to have seen official case documents; accurate crime scene photos; and the best LE sources we have ever had. In the first four years, two LE officers only affirmed one rumor each. But now we have an excellent regular LE source, a detective, the best we’ve ever had.
Bottom line is the quality of our sources has increased dramatically over time. Consequently, the accuracy of our statements should go up a lot too. Our error rate at the moment is probably under 50% and quite possibly lower.
Qualification of Claims
You will see below where we regard certain things as Proven. That is because we got these statements either directly from LE, official case documents, or the same conclusions reached independently by two different sources (for this to be false, both sources would have had to make up the exact same lie), or from direct statements from one of the girls’ guardians. These are the only claims that people can hold us to because with all the rest, we openly admit that the claims are Unverified, so we should not be held to any of those claims.
The category below Proven is ally called Unverified with Different Qualifications. Keep in mind that we are not claiming that anything listed below as Unverified is true, although some it has a good chance of being true.
Unverified but Likely. In these cases, we have 4-5 separate sources, usually vaguely referred to as inside sources, testifying to the truth of something. Because of the number of people saying this rumor is true, it goes into the likely category.
Unverified with Some Likelihood of Being True is a common qualification. Most of Leigh Kerr’s and the search party member’s testimony has gone into this bracket because unfortunately, while we think they are right, we cannot regard their testimony as probative.
Unverified. Some claims are listed as unverified. These are simply unverified rumors.
Unverified and Probably Not True. This claims are quite dubious and we don’t suggest anyone put any weight into them.
The Uselessness of Most Delphi Murders Podcasters and Reddit Groups
Few of the illustrious Delphi Murders Youtubers has touched the real truth about this case as laid out in this website, probably because they are all narcissists who hate each other and hate anyone stealing their thunder. However, Mindtruth has done a number of episodes on our information and I thank Bruce for that very much. Remember how all these Youtubers trashed Leigh Kerr? That’s because he was competition. See? These guys are mostly narcissists and they don’t believe in cooperation. It’s all about the zero-sum game. One person wins and everyone else loses. I like some of these guys.
John Kelly has some good information. Indiana Cold Cases is similar and so is True Crime Jesus. Most of the rest are not bad people, but they are showboats, loudmouths, and boasters with egos the size of small planets. Every podcast is all about them! Obviously this is the only type of personality that is capable of podcasting – an egomaniac – on the other hand, their personality pathology limits the usefulness of their shows.
I tune in to their broadcasts and most of it is these narcissists collecting narcissistic supply, which is being doled out by their worshipful audience. Furthermore, almost nothing of consequence is being said, and it reminds you of a night with your friends drinking, and no one says one thing of importance for hours.
Most of these podcasts are silly speculation or talk about POI’s who are all ruled out. There is endless silly speculation in the comments about BG – “I think BG was a teenager…What if BG escaped on a hand glider?…What if BG is dead?…What if BG escaped to a deserted island where he now renamed himself Lord Jim and is now king of the savages?…What if BG is really a woman in drag?…What if BG is Mafia hitman?…Bla bla bla bla.”
I’m sure it’s very interesting to posit your wandering speculation about what if this or maybe something or possibly why, who or what, but at the end of the day, it’s writing words in the air with water vapor to be blown away with the next wind. Idle speculation at its finest. Apparently there is a human need to wonder, guess, and posit. Otherwise why do we have religions? Why do kids play make-believe?
I guess this need continues into adulthood, but I like a little meat on my bone.
The Reddit sites are pretty useless too, mostly because most posters regard the best sources on this crime as false. They’ve been doing this from the very start, so this is nothing new. These are mostly hate sites. Little if any good information comes out of these places. R/LibbyandAbby is awful, but it’s a lot better than r/DelphiMurders. And there are some good posters on r/LibbyandAbby; it’s just that they happen to be in the minority and all the best posters get downvoted to Hell and the people who are dead wrong get scores of upvotes!
R/DelphiMurders is completely useless due to their “no rumors or speculation” rules, which means that you can only discuss what is proven about the case, which after four years, is just about nothing. R/LibbyandAbby does allow rumors and speculations, so at least they get some good posts and posters, while the overall mood is still a downer.
However, there are some good posters, especially on r/LibbyandAbby. In particular, user/tobor is excellent.
The scope of this investigation in terms of who the police think did it and how it unfolded has been dramatically narrowed. We have the basic outlines of the crime sketched, and we’ve even filled in a lot of the blanks.
Questions Regarding My Credibility and Professionalism
Answers to questions about my credibility. I am creating a special article about this to link to in order to deal with the constant hate comments in this regard so I don’t have to keep going over this stuff in every update.
Finally, after Four Years, Acquisition of Good LE Sources
It turns out that we have acquired a sleuth who is a former detective. He’s bored and has nothing to do, so we recruited him to sleuth for us. He is happy to do so. He has connections with current LE officers in Indiana.
We sent him off to dig into Mr. X. He went away for a bit and came back a while later with proof from LE that some of the things we have been reporting as rumors here are absolute fact. The source is a detective in another part of Indiana who is not working on the case.
Mr. X Is Innocent Until Proven Guilty
I am not revealing the name of the main suspect here and will only refer to him as Mr. X. I also request all commenters to also refer to him as Mr. X. I do this as a simple measure to try to protect his identity. I do not feel comfortable using his initials or certainly his name. I do not want to see this man or his family harassed in any way. No one knows if he did this crime or not. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t.
Yes, this man is the prime suspect at the moment, but that doesn’t mean a whole lot. Twice in the the Evansdale Murders, LE thought they were certain that they had the right man. Twice they were wrong. They have thought they had the right guy several times in the Zodiac case, but all of the suspects fell through.
Mr. X has is not even at the Person of Interest stage in this case. Person of Interest is a much higher standard than unnamed suspect, and he hasn’t even risen to that level yet. No one knows if Mr. X is guilty or not. I happen to think he probably did it, but what do I know?
LE doesn’t have much in the way of good, solid evidence against Mr. X. They have enough suggestive evidence to make them think he did it, but if you look a the nature of their actual evidence, it’s awfully thin. In fact, the rumor is that LE simply does not have enough evidence against Mr. X to take the case to court. DA’s require a very high standard of evidence to bring a homicide charge against someone. If the DA does not think he has enough evidence in a homicide case to win in court, they won’t take it to trial. At this point, they don’t even have enough for an arrest.
Say for instance LE arrested Mr. X and charged him with the double homicides of these two girls. If they tried to take it to court, I am almost certain that the judge would throw it out before it even got to the trial stage. The judge would say you don’t even have enough evidence against this man to take this case to court and throw it out of court. That’s very embarrassing.
Furthermore, homicide is the most serious thing you can charge anyone with. The judicial system likes to make sure that they get it right, if only to protect the due process rights of the accused.
There are cases like this all over the country.
A famous one is the Lewiston Killer in Lewiston, Idaho in the late 1970’s. He killed at least five people, specializing in young women. The police chief says he is 99% sure that the main suspect, who is named, committed the crimes. The suspect has since moved back to North Carolina, and young women have begun to disappear from the trails there now.
There is a suspected child killer in the Bay Area who is responsible for 5-10 child murders. They don’t have enough on the main suspect him to take him to trial, but they enough to think did it. A book has been published accusing this man of this crime. The main suspect is brazen, openly admits to being a pedophile, goes to the victims’ graves and leaves flowers, and visits the victims’ families to offer “solace for their losses.” See the sort of games these guys play? A police chief in Martinez accused the man of committing these crimes, and the man sued the city and won $50,000.
This is why you don’t hear LE openly accusing people of committing serious crimes like homicide unless they have enough evidence to take them to trial.
And those are just a few of the suspected serials running around free. There are many cases of homicides or attempted homicides in the same category.
If Mr. X Were on Trial for These Murders Today and I Were in the Jury, I Would Vote to Acquit Him
Yes, I think Mr. X did this crime. But my opinion isn’t worth anything. And if Mr. X was being tried today and I was on the jury, I would certainly vote to acquit. Because it doesn’t matter whether I think he’s guilty or not. The state has to prove it. If I were on the jury, the only thing I would care about was whether the state had proved that Mr. X committed this crime. And with the evidence they currently have, they haven’t proven it. So I would definitely hang the jury and let Mr. X walk, and in all probability, BG would be free to walk the streets again. That’s the price you pay to live in a free society.
Time to Give up on All These POI’s
This is getting ridiculous. No one has to believe me when I say LE has a main suspect, but there are number of suspects that ought to be put to rest.
Ron Logan: Enough already. Give it a rest, dammit! How many times has he been cleared? 242? Maybe we need to clear him a 243rd time then just to make sure! However, an interesting theory is that BG may have attempted to frame Ron Logan with this crime for obscure reasons. BG was dressed in clothes similar to what Ron wore, and he took the girls to Ron’s land and killed them there.
Mike Patty: Just stop, ok? Stop. He’s innocent. Leave this poor man alone, for God’s sake. Hasn’t he suffered enough? No, he didn’t kill his own granddaughter. Come on, people.
Becky Patty: Obviously they’re not accusing her of the homicides! The accusation is that she “knows something” or “knows way too much” and is covering for someone, presumably the killer. I doubt it. No one’s been hurt by this case more than Becky Patty. It’s as if she took the grief of a whole town under her breast and pledged to suffer for them all, Jesus-like. Not quite sainthood, but getting there. I heard that at the 2019 conference, she burst into tears. Of course she did. She still hasn’t been able to process this, assuming such a thing can ever be processed. She has channeled her pain into grief and sadness.
Others close to the victims, who I will not name, have channeled their grief into rage and lashing out at everyone around them. It’s an understandable reaction, but they’re not pleasant to be around. This person is externalizing their pain into rage and projecting it outwards at the world. I won’t reveal who I am talking about here though it should be obvious. I will say that Libby’s birth mother has also dealt with her loss by turning rageful. Both of these people were probably ragers before, so it’s not like they did a U-turn. Of course, we empathize with their losses, but sympathy wears thin when someone is screaming in your face. Let’s hope they find some peace.
The last person on Earth to “protect the killer” is poor Becky Patty, God bless her mortal soul.
Derrick German: Libby’s father, meth dealer, convict who served time in prison and supposedly ratted people out to get a lower sentence. He has dealt with his grief with silence and hiding himself away. I don’t know this man very well, but he wasn’t in on this crime.
Kelsi German: Sister of Libby. Kelsi’s DNA was the only DNA found on the bodies. Kelsi has been investigated quite a bit, and she has been interviewed a few times by the FBI, including a couple of times at her school. For whatever reason, she confuses facts all the time and can’t keep her stories straight. I have no idea why she’s doing this, but it’s not because she killed her own sister. Kelsi German has been cleared.
FSG, or DMC: Probably shouldn’t use his real name, but he’s on everybody’s suspect list. He was one of the original witnesses who saw BG and gave a description. Now he says he never saw BG at all. I guess he can’t make up his mind. He’s also thoroughly lawyered up, and he’s not saying a word. I get it. He’s a greedy businessman with dollar signs in fluttering eyes that sound like clanging cash registers every time he blinks. His favorite color is green: like the woods, like the loot. Hey, it’s a capitalist country, right? The theory is that he was in on these murders for mercenary reasons, such as a malign desire to purchase Ron Logan’s land. Sure he’s a greedy businessman, but I doubt if he’s that greedy.
FSG along with others present at the bridge have been investigated as possible lookouts for BG. Not because there’s any evidence that they were lookouts, but more because everyone in that situation at the time of the murders is being looked at that way. I’d be surprised if he were in on this, but stranger things have happened.
Paul Etter: A 55 year old local man of many interests. One of his many interesting hobbies was abducting and raping young women. But alas, he raped one lass too many, and the law closed in on him holed up in his home, which now resembled Dodge City. He saved society a lot of money by eating a bullet, freeing up some fresh air and making the world the tiniest bit of a better place. He raped women, not young teenage girls. He was the right age, but he doesn’t look like BG. LE has already looked into him quite a bit, and I assume he’s cleared.
CM: Not even going to bother to reveal his name. Professor at a local university, known for the Geocaching Theory. Some connection with Libby via geocaching. I was never aware that anyone had any good evidence against this harmless-looking fellow. Lawyered up, not talking. He’s afraid he’s going to be framed with these murders, a reasonable fear.
CN: Middle aged man, resident of Delphi. Well, he’s the right age anyway. Never knew what the case was against this man other than that he had property near the bridge, and he and his wife’s alibi of being out of the state traveling got a bit mangled. We all stumble over our words sometimes. He’s a local executive of a government function or perhaps better yet a nonprofit of some sort. Possibly works with kids. I’ve looked this man over and I can’t think of anyone less likely to commit this crime. His wife has taken to social media lately, pleading with people to stop harassing them and insisting he had nothing to do with this crime. Good advice. How bout taking it to heed, everyone?
Garrett Kirts: Local man, all around run of the mill bad person. He killed a woman. So he’s a murderer. He’s in prison where he belongs. I never knew what evidence anyone had against this guy except, “He kills chicks! So that means he killed these girls because they’re chicks too!” Doesn’t sound like a logical progression of thought to me. Empiricism is a thing. Besides, he’s the wrong age, 27-28. BG is a 50 year old man. Give it a rest, everyone.
Brad Holder: Brad’s son, Jason, was Abby’s boyfriend. Brad was a suspect for a while, and one of the detectives working on the case even stated off the record that he thought Brad did it. Holder has an alibi that he was working out at a gym at the time. In general, the less said about the other aspects of his life the better, and they have no relationship to this case anyway.
The point is that that Mr. Holder had nothing to do with this crime. And although he’s no no saint, I don’t think he has it in him to commit a crime like this. We wrote an article a while back pointing out that we felt Holder was innocent, and that set off a spate of hate mail and threats from him and his son, which we found odd. You write an article saying some guy’s not involved, and you get swamped with threats to track and hunt you down? I don’t get it.
Clearing Up Some Recent Attacks on Our Theories
It is being said that we are claiming all sorts of odd things about this crime, what happened, and the crime scene. We openly admit that much of what we are saying about this crime are unverified rumors. See below for which rumors we believe are proven and which are unverified.
Furthermore, when people say that I, Robert Lindsay, have no sources, no documents, on and on, please keep something in mind. “Robert Lindsay” isn’t just one guy. “Robert Lindsay” is the leader of a sleuthing group that presently has ~230 paid members. They all go off and do their own work. They have their own sources. On and on. These people are from all over the country and have expertise in all sorts of different areas.
So when you are saying, “No way does Lindsay have inside sources or official documents,” do you think it’s possible that a team of 230 sleuths all working together could have come up such things? Something to think about.
Specifically, we are getting much of the the following information straight from the cops themselves. Got it? Instead of bashing us, why don’t you ask why the cops are telling us this stuff? Are they deliberately lying to us? If so, why? Are we making up lies about getting information from police when we actually have no contacts with them? Why would we do that? We don’t do that on here and never have. For one, it’s a gross violation of journalistic ethics, and I was trained to be a journalist – I have a BA in Journalism and worked as an editor of a large magazine, among other things.
Facts about the Main Suspect in the Case – Mr. X
The motive is apparently lust murder motivated by sexual sadism combined with psychopathy, the classic formulation almost all serial killers have. The motive was sexual. This was a sex crime, a sex homicide.
We now know a lot of things about the main suspect, including the name, age, height, weight, marital status, possible offspring, address, names of wife and children, and history of his life.
These are the facts about the man LE suspects is BG. An asterisk means the information is proven via LE information leaked to us. A double asterisk means the information is proven by case documents in our possession.
Items known to be carried or worn by BG at the time of crime:
Loaded handgun in right jacket pocket, type unknown, possibly a rare .40mm collector’s item.
Members Only jacket, blue.
Old style 501 blue jeans from the 1980’s – Dad jeans.
Indiana Packers boots.
Camouflage hunting cap.
Go Pro camera on waist.
Deer kit on waist with five hunting knives.
White scarf covering the lower half of his face.
Bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in left pocket.*
Known facts about the personal life of the main suspect, Mr. X.:
Residence history: Unknown for first 18 years, possibly Illinois. Delphi, Indiana from at least 1984-2021. Resident of Delphi in 1984-85 at minimum.
Important residence periods: Moved to Evansdale, Iowa in 2011-2012 to work at a slaughterhouse possibly aligned with Tyson Foods there. Was present when the Evansdale Murders occurred. Homeless for a period in the 2000’s, where he resided at a homeless shelter.
Education history: Primary and junior high unknown.
Senior high school: First years unknown but graduated from Delphi High School in 1984-85.
Age at time of crime: 49-50 (uncertain).
Present age: 53-54 (uncertain).
Hair color: Dark brown.
Facial hair: Goatee or trimmed beard.
Height: Approximately 5’8.
Weight: Approximately 180.
Sexual age orientation: Pedohebephilia, nonexclusive, AOA 8-14.
Sexual object orientation: Heterosexual.
Residence at time of crime: Delphi, Indiana since 1984. Recently moved to a small city nearby, possibly due to the heat of being a suspect in the crime. Lists a factory as place of residence.
Employment history: Unknown prior to 2011. May have worked at Tyson Foods slaughterhouse in Logansport, Indiana and sister facility in Waterloo, Iowa in 2011-2012. Employed at two factories in nearby towns as a machine operator in recent years.
Occupation: Handicrafter making wooden signs.
Distance of residence from crime scene at the time of the crime: Less than 2 miles to the east along the creek.
Familiarity with crime location: Extreme. Friends with Ron Logan on whose property the crime occurred. Frequently hunted deer on Ron’s land. Clearly very familiar with the area of the crime and perhaps knew it as well as the back of his hand.
Marital status: Married, rocky and tumultuous marriage with breakups where they go live on their own and later get back together. At least two prior marriages.
Children: Two daughters, one ~22, another ~30. Ages approximate. One stepson, age 21 with the same first and last names.
Relationship with younger daughter: Excellent, she is very fond of him.
Relationship with older daughter and stepson: Unknown.
Important friendships: Very casual friend of Mike Patty, father of one of the girl victims. Possible Harley buddies (friends who ride Harley-Davidson motorcycles), as Mike is an avid Harley rider. There is a rumor of a falling out between the two men at some time before the crime. What that has to do with anything is not known. Hunting partner of Anthony Greeno, podcaster who has reported on the case avidly.
Hobbies: Raising goats, riding and fixing up Harley-Davidson motorcycles, very avid deer hunter, handicrafting wooden signs.
Specific Information about the Crime Confirmed to Us by the Police
Numbers 1-4 were told to a retired detective who works with one of our team members us by an Indiana detective who the retired LE is close to. The detective didn’t work on the case.
Number 5 was told to JM, an excellent local sleuth, and then to us by an Indiana detective who works in Narcotics based on crime scene photos he had seen. The Narcotics detective did not work on the case. We also heard it from someone very close to a detective who was working on the case who had confided in them.
Number 6, an extremely controversial statement, was told to JM and then to us by a sheriff in a nearby county. The sheriff’s deputy did not work on the case.
Both girls were posed. Keep in mind that they did not say how they were posed, if they were posed in a sexual manner, etc. Source: A detective in Indiana.
Doll(s) were scattered about the crime scene. We have two LE sources for this information. The first source, the same as above, said there were quite a few of them. The detective said, “There were so many dolls scattered around that it looked like he had gone to the Goodwill store and bought a bunch of dolls.” This also answers questions about why the cops have been using phrases like “odd,” “peculiar,” “strange,” not your average crime scene,” “many signatures,” etc. It fits right in with all of that. The second source was asked if there was one doll or more than one doll and would only state, “at least one doll was found at the crime scene.” Sources: The first source is the detective in Indiana. The second source is brand new information from a high-ranking figure from directly inside the investigation!
A bottle of toilet cleaner was found at the crime scene. Presumably it was used to throw bleach over everything, which solves the riddle of why no usable DNA was collected in this case. Source: The detective in Indiana.
The girls were “violated with inanimate objects.” Source: The detective in Indiana.
Sticks, twigs, and branches were jammed into the girls lower orifices. Presumably this is what the “violated with inanimate objects” statement above refers to this. Note: A new rejoinder is that both of the girls were found clothed. This is not true. Libby was nude. Abby may have been naked below the waist. Sources:A narcotics detective in Indiana and the wife of a detective working on the case, who posted this on the Internet.
One girl was in the early stage of pregnancy. This is one very old rumor that started up within a few weeks of the murder. The first person who told me that was a middle aged woman who lived in the area. Just saying that for everyone who accuses me of making this up. This rumor just would not die. We hated reporting on it, but it kept popping up over and over, so we had to keep reporting it. We were never sure if it was true or not, so it was always just another unverified rumor.
We didn’t want to bring this up because we’ve caught so much crap for it, but we felt we had to because an Indiana LE officer stated to us that this was actually true. When we get information straight from the police, we feel we must report it. This is not something we relish reporting.
His exact quote was, “One of the girls was in the very early stages of pregnancy.” He did not state which girl it was. We have an idea which girl it might be, but we are not going to upset people even more by naming the girl. If this is true, then the girl was 6-8 weeks pregnant, when pregnancy is hard to diagnose but can be confirmed on autopsy. Specifically, there will be a thickening of the walls of the uterus that can be determined at this time.
Our information is that at least one girl was sexually active, and at least one of the the girls was 13-14 going on 20, if you get the picture. This is important to know if there is a question of one possibly being pregnant because in order to get pregnant, you have to be sexually active.
People are furious with us for reporting this because they say we are sullying these girls’ reputations, thereby disqualifying them for posthumous sainthood. We do not feel that inexperienced 13-14 year old girls have some sort of purity that can be dirtied, nor do we feel that a girl this age sullies her reputation by engaging in PIV sex. People who think like this are prudes, Puritans, and sex haters. We do not feel that it is immoral for 13-14 year old girls to have PIV sex or to get pregnant. It’s stupid for them to get pregnant, but it’s not immoral. ~15% of girls that age, and probably more, are already having PIV sex. Source:A sheriff’s officer in a nearby county.
Specific Information about the Crime Confirmed to Us Via Official Case Documents in Our Possession
Update: We can now state that one of these documents is a search warrant, specifically for the Maxwell home. We also have at least one other search warrant for another home. In addition, we may have more documents. For information on these documents, see the special section below where their nature and provenance is explained. The search warrant list a number of items that LE is looking for.
A pair of binoculars. This lines up nicely with Leigh Kerr’s testimony where he said that BG used binoculars in this crime.
Photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, and film. In other words, LE are convinced that BG filmed or videotaped his crime. The only way they could know this is if the rumors about BG sending photos or video of the crime to Abby’s phone after the crime occurred are true. So the rumor that he filmed the crime and sent the film to a victim’s phone is proven. This proves more of Leigh Kerr’s testimony where he said BG sent photos or video to one of the girl’s phones after the crime.
43 seconds of audio. It is interesting that they are looking for precisely 43 seconds of audio. LE must know that BG recorded 43 seconds of audio, presumably of his crime. But how could they possibly know this? Only if he had sent this much audio to one of the girls’ phones after the crime.
A handgun, in order to do ballistics tests on it. This means that they have at least one fired cartridge. BG must have fired his gun at some point in this crime. The rumor that there was a spent cartridge at the scene is therefore confirmed. The gun is a rare collector’s item, possibly a .40mm. In the case of the search of the Maxwell home, a gun was taken from the home in order to do ballistics tests on it. The gun failed the tests and was returned to the home.
Knives. He is wearing a deer kit, which contains five different types of knives.
Clothing soaked in blood, seen and unseen. This blood will probably will not come out with the wash. The documents state that the wound to one of the girls was so brutal that the blood splatter would have been dramatic, drenching the killer’s clothes in blood.
Specific mention is made that the girls were abducted at exactly 2:13 PM.The crime occurred on February 13, or 2/13. As you can see, the numbers are the same. People are saying this is a coincidence, but apparently LE does not believe it is coincidental.
Some Aspects of the Crime Scene Not Verified by LE But Instead Verified by Two People Working Independently and Coming to the Same Conclusion, One Sleuth and One Witness or Two Witnesses
Those aspects of the crime are the following:
Both girls were posed with their legs spread wide in a sexual posing. Source: A female member of the search team and our analysis of the crime scene photos.
There was a knife sticking out of the log next to one girl’s head. Source: A female member of the search team and our analysis of the crime scene photos.
There was some sort of a large object, apparently of toy, at the crime scene that was too large for BG to have had it with him on the bridge. That is the statement from the woman on the search team. While we see a giant plush bear, that’s too weird, so we will defer to the search party lady and agree with her statement. Source: A female member of the search team and our analysis of the crime scene photos.
Dolls were hanging from trees at the crime scene. Source:Two female members of the search team.
Cause of death of one girl was a deep cut to the throat. Source: A conversation with one girl’s guardian and a photograph of this victim’s funeral, which we have chosen not to release, backing up the guardian’s statement.
We feel that these facts are validated because in 1-3, they were seen by us in the crime scene photos and also by a female search party member at the scene, in 4, they were seen by two separate female search party members who had never talked to each other, and in 5, it was verified by a conversation with the girl’s guardian herself backed up by a postmortem photo.
In all four instances, people arrived at their conclusions independently of the other party. What are the odds that both parties made up these specific lies on their own? Almost zero. That’s good enough for us to be probative.
Interpretations of Some Aspects of the Crime Scene Photos Now Proven (Crime Scene Photos Now Proven to Be Actually That)
The crime scene photos have been widely trashed as paraedolia. Nevertheless, as you can see above, three things that we spotted in the crime scene photos have been verified by independent sources in the search party, so the fact that these are crime scene photos is now proven.
Rumors That Are Now Confirmed Via Indiana LE
LE Believes Mr. X is BG
Via our detective source in Indiana, LE has a main suspect in the Delphi Murders, Mr. X, and the case is focused on him. All other POI’s are dropped or cleared at least as being the killers themselves. However, it is still not clear that Mr. X did this on his own or if someone helped him. LE would also be interested in anyone who may have helped Mr. X after the crime, perhaps burning evidence or whatever.
It is important to note that you are under no obligation to tell the police anything. I could know that some guy was a serial killer with 10 victims, and I don’t have to go to the police. He could have even confessed to me, but I am still not under obligation to tell the cops. The one thing I cannot do is help him get away with his crimes, that is, be an accessory
Anyway, LE believes that Bridge Guy is Mr. X. They’re not looking at anyone else. They think he did it. End of story.
LE Believes that Bridge Guy (Mr. X) Is a Serial Killer and Was Also Responsible for the Evansdale Murders
Via our detective source, we learned that LE has only recently started to believe that BG (Mr. X) is also responsible for the Evansdale Murders. Much more on that below.
LE Believes There Are Similarities Between the Evansdale and Delphi Double Homicides
Via our detective source in Indiana, we have learned that in both crimes:
There was posing. So, yes, although the Evansdale girls were mere skeletons when found, LE believes they were posed.
Girls in the pedohebephilic age range (8-14 years old) were brazenly abducted two at once from trails in busy parks in rural Midwestern towns in the middle of daytime with many people around.
The bodies were dumped near flowing water, creeks or rivers.
A number of strange objects were found around the Evansdale girls similar to the bizarre images decorating the Delphi crime scene.
Unconfirmed Rumors Not Validated by the Police
The following are unverified rumors with at least some probability of being true:
A sheet with a smiley face on it at the crime scene, possibly hung from a tree. Source:A female member of the search team.
Phallic objects, specifically a log and a doll, placed next and perpendicular to the genitals of the girls to give the impression that they were being sexually penetrated by these objects. A log was placed in front of one of the girls, and a doll was placed in front of the other girl. Source:A female member of the search team.
A girl’s hand wrapped around a knife which was plunged into a log that she was resting her head on. The knife in the log was located near the girl’s right shoulder. The girl’s hand was wrapped around the knife to make it appear that she was stabbing herself. Source:A female member of the search team.
Rumors About the Crime Scene Not Verified by Indiana LE and Hence Still Mostly Unconfirmed, with Varying Confidence Levels
Indiana LE did not validate the rumors about some aspects of the crime scene such as:
Presence of a crucifix. Source: A female member of the search party.
A series of events where one girl screamed and then was quickly hit on the head with a blunt object, which we believe is a gun butt. Source: Leigh Kerr.
Stabbing of one girl in the neck artery at some point after the above events. Source: Leigh Kerr.
More Weirdness Abounds: 2/13, 2:13, and 2-13
This is probably one of the flat-out weirdest aspects of the case of all. The crime was committed in February 13 or 2/13. In the documents we have, it is openly stated that BG abducted the girls at precisely 2:13 PM. Some insist that this is merely a coincidence, but apparently LE do not think it is coincidental. If so, this proves that this crime was planned nearly down to the minute. The date of the crime and the time of the abduction are both 2-13. Apparently he planned this abduction to occur at precisely this time, which is shocking. In addition, note that he abducted two girls on the 13th, 2-13.
2/13, 2:13, 2-13. What is this guy, another Zodiac? Is he into numerology? Is there any meaning to these numbers or is he just playing sneaky, tricky games with us like these guys often do. These crimes are often a great big game to these guys, and they often try to insert clever little coincidences into their crimes, probably just to freak people out and make themselves seem diabolically clever, evil geniuses.
It is interesting to note that the Evansdale girls were also abducted on the 13th. And two girls were abducted there also. 2-13 again.
The DNA and Fingerprint Questions
The main suspect’s DNA is found in the forest around the crime scene. However, he was one of the searchers who found the bodies, and he was also known to have searched the area in the dark the previous evening. Hence, none of his DNA from the forest around the girls is usable.
BG threw toilet cleaner over the girls and every object at the crime scene, thereby eliminating most if not all of the usable DNA. The only DNA found on the girls was that of Kelsi, sister of Libby. Kelsi has been cleared.
There is a rumor that LE has a partial DNA sample from an unknown male from one of the girls. Problem is they only have nine markers on that partial sample. That’s not very many. Conceivably, perhaps ~10% of men might have those nine markers.
These partial DNA samples are useful to LE. For instance, if LE have a suspect, and they have a partial present in 10% of the population, this is one more bit of evidence that might point towards them having the right guy. On the other hand, a sample with only nine markers is absolutely not usable in court. We think people need to stop talking about DNA. It’s a dead end.
About those fingerprints.
LE themselves have admitted that they have one smudged fingerprint. They don’t say where they collected it from, but that’s an important question. However, smudged prints are of very dubious value. They’re generally unusable. We wish people would stop talking about fingerprints.
The Lady Walking Her Dogs at the Bridge at 12:30 PM on the Day of the Murders
This is a rumor that a woman walking her dogs on the bridge at 12:30 PM on the day of the murders, a full hour before BG probably appeared on the trails at 1:30 PM, met BG somewhere, possibly on the south side of the bridge, and even had a brief conversation with BG. However, this information does not seem to be coming from LE.
Instead it is coming from Delphi podcaster Anthony Greeno, a dubious man and apparent con artist with a rap sheet so long it fades into the horizon when you try to read it. That doesn’t mean he’s wrong. It means to consider information coming from him with a lot of caution.
This woman was apparently a discovery of Greeno’s. Ok, wait. Greeno finds this woman but LE never did? She approached Greeno but she didn’t approach LE? My smellometer is registering stinky.
Furthermore the woman has since gone into hiding, possibly because of people bothering her, or maybe because she is afraid BG is going to kill her. Anyway, she’s not talking. Before she departed us though, she did inform us that she could not identify what the man she met looked like. Except she was sure he was BG. Now wait a minute. I’m kind of thinking this eyewitness account ain’t making it to the witness stand, ya know?
Obviously this is very much an unconfirmed rumor, though everyone is treating it as if it’s the word of God. I beg to differ. If anyone has any more information on this odd rumor, please let me know in the comments or in my email. Obviously if we can place BG at the bridge at 12:30 PM, that changes everything.
Quit Referencing LE’s Statements at the 2019 Press Conference (The “Fakeference”) As Factual
Although we do not have any evidence that this is true, we believe that the 2019 Press Conference was a gigantic ruse. We believe they already had a main suspect at the time, and they thought he was going to be at the meeting. So the meeting was designed to trick him. The entire meeting was meant for the consumption of one person, Mr. X. Mr. X was in the conference room that day, seated directly in the middle of the room, as if he were the center of attention.
Notice that LE told the public to stop focusing on the old BG and to focus on the New BG instead. The New BG was said to be the man who carried out the murders – he was BG. They also said that BG was 18-40 years old. Anyone with any sense can see, intuitively, that BG cannot possibly be the young man in the sketch, nor can he be 18-40 years old.
BG is obviously a middle-aged man around 50. You can tell by many things – gait, body shape, manner of walking, voice, etc. LE actually believes BG was 49-50 years old when he committed the crime. If LE actually believes that BG was 50 years old, why did they put out this statement that he looks like this ridiculous sketch of a very young man or even an 18-40 year old man? Why would they deliberately contradict their own beliefs? Easy, they were lying!
Pay no attention to the first sketch, which looks like a middle aged man, Mr. X. Instead pay attention to this new sketch, some kid.
And at the end, Carter says, “He may even be in this room right now,” (he was in fact) and then looks in the complete opposite direction of Mr. X.
The truth is that some of the things LE said in that conference are true. The sketch of the younger man is been the catfish of the 19 year old boy used to lure in Libby from Snapchat.
And Mr. X or BG is the one who used that catfish to bring Libby in. So when LE said the younger sketch is the one who committed the crime, they were correct! He did commit the crime because the younger sketch is just BG in catfish form, his other younger personality that he used to snare victims.
And when they said BG was actually better described as a combination of both sketches, they were correct too. BG himself is both the catfish young man and the older man who is the actual killer, so he is “both sketches at once,” obviously.
Also note that LE are now acting like they think the young catfish did the crime, not the older BG. This was done to get Mr. X to think that they think the catfish did the crime, not BG himself.
Granted, we don’t have any evidence that this is true other than Leigh Kerr’s statements. We regard Leaker as credible, but we now demand sources beyond his level to be considered probative. Hence, formally, everything Leaker said has gone into unconfirmed rumors other than the things we were able to confirm from other probative sources. Nevertheless, we do feel that Leaker’s notion that this was all a big ruse rang true for us and sent us off on on our investigation, with the help of the notorious Godsey I might add.
We currently feel that this is the best explanation of the facts. Can we prove it? No. But all theories must be judged against their competitors (Occam’s). Put the competing theory to the logic test. Is there any way on Earth that BG could look like the young man in that sketch or even an 18-40 year old? Get real. When we line the two theories against each other, ours wins hands down. Hence, following Occam’s, our theory is the best explanation of the facts.
Mr. X’s Employment at a Packing Plant in Indiana and Possible Connection to the Evansdale Murders Verified by Article in the Indiana Star
Via our detective source in Indiana, Mr. X ‘s roommate in 2011-2012 in Delphi told LE that BG was absolutely Mr. X. The voice was a good match, the clothes “looked familiar,” and the walk was dead on. The roommate also said he suspected Mr. X of the Evansdale Murders because during the time of the Evansdale Murders, Mr. X and the roommate were both over in Evansdale being put up in hotels for months while they worked on a plant there.
Many people from the Delphi area have gone over to went over to Evansdale to work on plants over there. These seem to have been packing plant workers in the Delphi area who get transferred over to the Evansdale area for periods of time to work on sister plants over there. The two men may have been working at the Tyson plant in Logansport, Indiana and may have been shipped to the sister Tyson plant in Waterloo, Iowa, where they were put up temporarily in motels for months at a time.
If this roommate is correct, it looks like Mr. X worked in 2011-2012 at as packing plant in the Delphi area, and he was moved to near Evansdale, Iowa for a period during these two years to work on a sister plant near Evansdale.
We don’t know what his job was there, but if it was slitting the throats of screaming, squealing pigs on ropes swinging towards him with a knife so huge that it looks like a sword as is done at some slaughterhouses, we would say a job like that would be right up BG’s alley.
BG made a deep cut to the throat of one victim, probably with a hatchet, that resembles the deep cuts made to the throats of pigs at some slaughterhouses. Notice that BG committed his crime with large knives or hatchets, his preferred weapon. Mr. X also cuts up a lot of deer that he shoots for food. To do this, he uses the knives the deer kit that BG has around his waist. So it looks like Mr. X is using to cutting up dead and possibly living animals with large knives. And humans are animals too.
The Mystery of BG’s Indiana Packers Boots
There was an early raid on the Indiana Packers plant in Delphi that was done by LE. Remember that they came out with a pair of boots? They showed the boots in an evidence bag to the media later on that night, and they said, “Oh, this is nothing. Don’t pay any attention to that.”
It turns out that BG’s shoes are dead perfect matches for Indiana Packers workboots. If he is wearing Indiana Packers workboots, this solves one more question. How did BG get across that knee-high stream in the middle of winter without nearly getting hypothermia and needing a change of clothes? Indiana Packers workboots go up to knee-high, and they are waterproof. So if he wore Packers boots to do his crime, he would have been able to cross that cold stream where the water is knee-deep. He could have worn those boots over his jeans, and he wouldn’t have gotten wet.
However, we presently lack evidence that Mr. X worked at Indiana Packers. There is evidence that may have worked at a Tyson packing plant in Logansport in 2011-2012.
Which begs the question, if Mr. X is BG, how did he come to acquire a pair of Indiana Packers boots, which is what he appears to be wearing during his crime?
Weird Behavior of Mr. X Surrounding His Truck at the Crime Scene
We now have a better time frame for Mr. X’s truck being parked at the cemetery. Note that it was parked in head first. We believe he staged the crime with these elaborate props either before or after the crime from this exact location. We don’t know why he asked permission to search Ron Logan’s land at 6:30 PM, but this is also a huge red flag because he asked to search the land a full half hour before the fire department had even announced the formation of a search team.
Not only that, but Mr. X’s alibi is that he was in another town from 2:15-3:15 PM on the day of the crime. That would mean he would have had to drive back to Delphi by at least 3:45 and possibly later, depending on what town he was in and when he left. The problem here is that before 5:30 PM, no one knew the girls were missing other than the families and a few friends.
He could have called his wife, who was friends with Becky Patty, and the wife could have told him about the girls going missing. But that would mean that Becky Patty would have to say that she called the wife. We doubt if she did contact his wife. They weren’t that close.
After 5:30 PM, news of the girls going missing went out over the police scanner. We suppose if was listening to a police scanner, he could have known that early, but what’s the likelihood of Mr. X listening to a police scanner between 5:30-6:30 PM on the day of the crime? We would say it is low.
He parked 1,000 feet away from Ron’s door, almost a quarter mile away. Why didn’t he pull up to his front door? We don’t know about you all, but when we go visit our friends, we generally don’t park a quarter mile away and hike in. We park right at the front door.
We also don’t know what he was doing searching down there that night. We also do not know why out of all of the places to search, he happened to pick the exact location where the girls were killed. However, this early searching meant that he could use his “lost my keys” excuse as a reason why his car just happened to be parked for 18 straight hours soon after the crime and right above where the girls were foundbecause he could say the next day that he lost them during the previous evening’s search.
It is interesting that Mr. X appears to have stayed with his truck from 6:30 PM to on Monday, February 13, to 12:30 PM Tuesday, February 14 when the girls were found. That’s a full 18 hours. Why on Earth would someone stay next to their truck all through one evening and night through the next early AM and morning into the afternoon? It doesn’t seem like a normal person would stay at that location for all that time.
We believe he could have been staging that elaborate crime scene during that time. Where his truck was parked was a five minute walk to the crime scene. If he had those objects found at the crime scene in his truck, he could have easily carried them down to the crime scene and used them to stage it with the objects.
Mr. X needed the lost his keys excuse to explain how he stayed in that spot for 18 hours. If he didn’t have his keys, he could not move his truck. He could have gone home, but for some reason he stayed with his truck. Did he eat? Where did he get the food and what was the food? Did he sleep? If so, where and when? Urinating is no problem, but what if he had to defecate? That would have been quite a problem. It doesn’t seem reasonable to stay out there all that time for no good reason.
But it’s even worse than that.
Even after the girls were recovered, Mr. X stayed around through all of the media and police hubbub for the next eight hours, from 12:30 PM to 8:30 PM, so his truck was out at the crime scene for 26 full hours, with Mr X presumably with it the entire time. Why on Earth would anyone hang around near their vehicle for a full day just because they lost their keys? Were they are waiting for God Himself to come bring the keys?
We believe Mr. X stayed with the truck all that time in order to watch it. If he left, LE might tow it or search it. He stayed to guard his truck. We believe he did this because there may have been incriminating evidence in there.
Another reason he stayed is we believe that he enjoyed the drama. Everyone was crowding around to look at the crime he had committed. He was right in the middle of all the police and media, and no one suspected him. I’m sure that was a LOL feeling for him. “These idiot cops. They’re swarming all over this crime scene, and the killer is standing right here under their noses in the midst of the chaos for hours, and these coptards can’t figure this out.” We think he likes to fool and troll LE. “I’m fooling the cops, ha ha!” is the thinking.
Why did Mr. X not drive his truck away when it was in the way of all of the police cars? He had his keys with him, so why didn’t he move his truck when they asked him to instead of lying and saying he couldn’t because he had lost his keys? LE asked him to move the vehicle. He said he had lost his keys and was going to call his wife to bring a spare set of keys to him.
Three problems with that story:
We believe he never lost his keys.
We believe he never called the wife to ask her to bring a spare set.
We believe there was no spare set in the first place.
At 8:20 PM, the police scanner said that A., Mr. X’s wife, was coming to bring Mr. X a spare set of keys. This has been misrepresented by doubters as the scanner saying to let Mrs. X intothe sealed off areabecause she’s bringing Mr. X his keys. We believe he just told LE she was coming, it went out over the scanner, and she never showed up.
There are unconfirmed rumors Mr. X’s truck was towed after his wife never came to bring the car keys and that Mr. X’s truck was never searched by police.
Mr. X’s wife, his daughter, and Becky Patty are now putting out a story that Mr. X never lost his keys in the first place. We agree with that because we think they were sitting in his pocket the whole time! Also, a copy of the police scanner is available showing that Mr. X’s wife is supposed to be coming to the site to retrieve Mr. X’s truck. The only reason his wife would be coming to the site to retrieve his keys is if he lost his keys and she was coming to deliver a spare set.
We believe that his truck got towed later on when his wife never showed up with the keys, that Mr. X searched Ron Logan’s land that evening with two other men, and that he left his truck sitting in that same spot for 18 hours until the next day when the bodies were found. However, these are all unconfirmed rumors.
LE caught Mr. X in the lies about losing his keys, calling his wife to bring him a spare, and a spare even existing in the first place. LE doesn’t like being lied to, especially when they are investigating a double homicide. This what first aroused LE suspicions of Mr. X.
The rejoinders also say that either he never lost his keys or he did and he called the wife to bring a spare, and she did, evidence being the police scanner. But the scanner doesn’t say she came to bring the keys. It said she was coming to deliver the keys. We believe she never showed up, he never called the wife, he never lost his keys in the first place, and there was no spare set. We believe this because this is what we were told.
Mr. X’s Traumatic Reaction upon Discovering the Bodies Appears Staged and Fake
Mr. X not only discovered the bodies, but he ran away in terror afterwards. Like a coward, we would add. Then he needed 2-3 months of therapy to work through this traumatic experience. We believe that those reactions were overblown. No one else reacted that way. Not even Becky Patty and she was probably more devastated than anyone and probably still is.
So Mr. X was more traumatized by this crime than anyone else, including the victim’s grandmother who was hurt more than anyone. We believe that the running away and months of therapy were also “staged.” In other words, they were faked. Faked to make it look like he could not possibly have committed the crime because he was more devastated than anyone else.
We Don’t Have a Copy of the Gag Order Supposedly Issued about the Towing of a Truck from the CPS Building on February 14
People are saying that we have a copy of the gag order that was issued on the towing of the truck at the CPS building. We believe that this happened in the first place because a photo exists of a truck being towed from the CPS building around February 14. We do not have a copy of that gag order, but we were told that one had been issued by the courts. We have no idea why the order was issued. The idea that a gag order was issued on this truck is an unconfirmed rumor.
Nature of Case Documents in My Possession
We do indeed have documents from the case. A man was a suspect in this crime, and one document, a search warrant, are from LE’s investigation of him. The doc is his property. He ran off for s copy for us and sent it to us in the mail. He got turned in because two brothers for some reason were saying that he was BG. There are signatures on the document. The sigs are from the FBI and a court official. you’re smart enough you should be able to figure it out by these bomb-sized hints we keep dropping.
The man who owns the document is not happy with us going public with these docs. He doesn’t want to get uncovered revealing official case documents to the media.
Another document we have is another search warrant, this time for the Maxwell property. We obtained this document via a public records request.
We may or may not have from 1-8 more official case documents from this case.
Mr. X’s Criminal Record
The only crime on Mr. X’s record is an expunged conviction for statutory rape from 1984 in Indiana when he 18 and the girl was 14. Mr. X was a senior in high school at the time. The girl could well have been his high school freshman girlfriend.
The conviction is expunged. Expunged just means taken out of public records. LE still has access to the conviction. One of our team members talked to a detective in Kentucky a couple of years ago who told us about this expunged conviction.
This term has been grotesquely abused lately, starting with feminists, who equate all prostitution with “trafficking” and then the federal government, which passed a rather silly law 5-10 years against “sex trafficking.” Increasingly what you are seeing in the media is a complete conflation of prostitution and “sex trafficking.”
In particular, anyone pimping minor females is said to be “trafficking” no matter whether there is any coercion at all. Trafficking was originally supposed to mean women who were being essentially enslaved, kept prisoner, held against their will, and forced to prostitute themselves for others. Basically sex slaves. There are a lot of forms of this coerced and imprisoned sort of prostitution in the world, and it is an ugly thing to be sure!
But that silly federal law conflated that with any prostitution of minors. So “sex trafficking” is not just sex slavery but it’s also prostituting of minors. Which seems a bit silly. How are minors being “trafficked” if they are not being held against their will? It’s ridiculous. The crime should be something like Prostituting a Minor, along those lines. Perhaps that’s a serious offense, I have no idea. But it sure isn’t “trafficking.”
Increasingly I have seen articles, many coming out of Texas, about big roundups of “sex traffickers.” They were rounding up 50-60 men at once and the guys looked pretty ordinary. That’s an awful lot of “traffickers” to round up at once. When they do round these guys up, they usually only catch a few at a time as they are hard to catch and not particularly common anyway. So I did some research. It turned out that of those 60 men, only one of them actually trafficked in prostitutes, and even he was just prostituting minors. I have no idea if coercion or imprisonment was involved. The other 59 men were guilty of…get this: buying a teenage prostitute!
Look I’m not saying that buying an underage prostitute should be legal. But you should have to prove that he knew that she was underage or by her appearance, she could not possibly have been 18. The bizarre thing about these laws is that in many states, it is perfectly legal for any adult man to have sex with a 16-17 year old girl as long as he does it for free and doesn’t pay her. The minute he gives her some money for her treasures, it’s a crime!
Even knowingly buying an underage prostitute is not “trafficking” in any way, shape, or form. It’s a crime called “Buying a Minor Prostitute.” How in the Hell is buying a whore “trafficking?” It’s absurd.
To tell the truth, many prostitutes with pimps may be being trafficked. That’s because many pimps won’t let the girls in their stables free. They threaten to hunt them down, beat them up, or kill them if they run away from the pimp. Any prostitute in a situation like that with her pimp is indeed being trafficked.
Now buying a teenage prostitute is an odd crime. Minors are not allowed to legally prostitute themselves, but many do it anyway. And 50% of minor female prostitutes are Black. Blacks are only 13% of the population. So there’s massive over-representation of Black teenage girls in minor prostitution. Quite a few of those girls probably have psychopathic tendencies too, or will develop into psychopaths when they are adults because we are not supposed to diagnose psychopathy or any other personality disorder in minors. Fully 45% of adult female prostitutes are psychopaths. Newsflash: whores aren’t very nice women. They not even very nice people.
A lot of them are simply criminals and ripoffs and all sorts of petty thievery and female prostitution go hand and hand. In my opinion, a prostitute and a thief are the same thing. This is what the female psychopath becomes: Histrionic Personality Disorder, the “Mata Hari” or “femme fatale” disorder. Basically what I would call a thieving whore. Many female strippers, porn stars and other sex workers are also female psychopaths or have high scores on the PCL.
Many male porn stars are the same. This was observed as far back as the 1970’s and 80’s. If you look at those old porn movies, look at how mean and evil so many of those male porn stars are. And look at how crass, loud, brassy, and cold the women are. That’s the typical whore personality: hard, cold, brassy, callous, cynical. It looks like a damaged woman. Their emotions look shut down and they’ve gone hard.
A famous study on childhood sexual abuse was done 20 years ago by Rind et al. I think I still have a copy of it on my desktop here.
It provoked wild outrage. Even the idiotic American Psychological Association denounced it, notable as one of the most anti-scientific statements this anti-scientific organization has ever issued. Even the US Congress got in on the act. The Congress passed a resolution condemning the study! Congressmen, mostly Republicans, stood up and denounced it forcefully.
The problem? The study came up with the wrong answer. In other words, the truth was wrong and society preferred to believe pleasant lies over unpleasant truths, so the paper was condemned for discovering the wrong facts.
Usually when theory and facts do not match up, we say that the theory was wrong and go back to the drawing board.
However, in this case and with all ideological arguments by ideologues and politics types, when the theory and the facts don’t match up, the facts are wrong, and the facts are not the facts! Why? Because the theory is said to be automatically a priori true. The theory must be true. It cannot be false. So the facts must be wrong and we need to change the facts, wipe out the truth, and say that reality isn’t real, instead, what is real is some fantasy world that doesn’t exist.
A number of fake “studies” were undertaken by other behavioral “scientists” taking about the Rind findings and finding fault with this or that conclusion. None of the fake studies denouncing it were worth a hill of beans. That they made it into the journals at all shows that pathetic anti-scientific nature of the social sciences, sadly also including Psychology, which has been trying to become more of a science for a long time now.
But by the very fact that it is a social science means that Psychology will always be a fake science in some ways because its findings have to do with people, and the science of people will always be twisted by politics, ideology, bias, and mostly emotional reaction.
It’s hard to get emotional about a new finding in math or physics. Who cares! But findings in the social sciences are inherently emotional because we are always emotional about ourselves and our fellow humans, and anything people are strongly emotional about will always be tainted by bias, propaganda, politics, and ideology. In other words, lies. This is why the social sciences will always be doomed to the charge of being fake sciences and will always carry the guilty burden of physics envy.
Ritter et al conducted a meta-analysis of a huge number of studies on the effects of childhood sexual abuse on children as adults. Child abuse was mostly defined as sexual abuse below age 13, so sex with teenage girls and boys, a massive minefield, was left out.
The available evidence shows that consensual sex with teenage girls and boys and adults causes little if any damage to teenagers. This behavior is illegal not because it is harmful to the teens, as I doubt that it is. Instead it is outlawed because society’s morals say that members of society do not wish to live in a society where adults are free to have sex with teenagers of various ages.
It’s seen as unsavory, unpleasant, disgusting or revolting, and often morally wrong. But this behavior is not psychologically disordered in any way. This is a moral and legal problem, not a psychological one.
Unfortunately we are now in the midst of a truly insane mass hysteria around the sexuality of teenage girls in which 90% of the population has thrown reason out the window and gone batshit insane, out and out lies are widely believed, and science and facts are no where to be seen.
In fact, the people who quote the science and the facts about this question are attacked as pedophiles! Because I guess only pedophiles believe in science and truth when it comes to this sort of thing. If you don’t want to be called a pedophile, just spout the usual lies about this subject. As long as you keep lying and don’t ever resort to facts, you’re in the clear!
Fact: nothing published in an academic journal has ever produced evidence suggesting that teen/adult relationships are harmful or predatory. Literally not even one. Anthropological and historical studies all over the world have found that such relationships are common in many societies and no harm was reported in any society ever studied.
How do I know this? I’ve studied them. A particularly large one was done out of Germany in the 1950’s. You can find this evil science of banned truths on the Net, though I can’t tell you where to look. The pedo advocate sites have links to it, but I don’t want to send you there. I suspect the motives of those who wrote this study, but the science seems good.
Furthermore, historically speaking, I’ve learned from the Psychohistorian sites that teen/adult relations were normal in most of the world including the West up until 1900. Zero harm was reported.
Sadly, mass molestation of children was also reported in the West from Roman and Greek times until 1900. Under the crowded urban conditions that arose with the onset of capitalism and the Industrial Revolution, where families were packed together in tiny spaces, a great deal of molestation went on. I’m not happy about this at all, but it’s notable that no ill effects were observed in Greece and Rome until the pre-1900 West.
Perhaps the reason for this was that molestation of children was simply an expected fact of life. If you grow up as a female and get molested and all of your woman friends also got molested, it’s seen as a normal thing. There’s usually nothing inherently wrong with this behavior absent physical damage. Things that are normalized in any society tend to cause little if any damage.
I disagree here with some folks like psychohistorians who argue that all sexual abuse of children under any circumstances, normalized or condemned, results in inevitable terrible lifetime damage to the person. They also believe that many other things experienced in childhood cannot but cause horrible lifelong damage.
I doubt if that is true. If you grow up in a society that normalizes this or that behavior, outside of extreme perversion, aggression, and sadism, it’s probably seen as normalized and shrugged off. In other words, the damage of most of these things is relative and depends on the degree to which your society condemns or pathologizes the behavior.
However, for small children, the true victims of child molestation, it is quite different.
Granted, the victims were interviewed when in college so the abuse was a long ways away. Conceivably if they had interviewed them earlier as minors, they would manifested more damage. The findings were shocking:
Rind et al found that the long-term effects of child sexual abuse were typically neither pervasive nor intense, and men reacted much less negatively than women. Ritter et al also found that less than 10% of victims were traumatized. The most common effects were shame, blame, and confusion.
To explicate that further, the effects were shame about having been abused, blame for themselves for allowing it to happen to them, and confusion about the abuse itself.
The confusion may manifest in various ways. A female friend of mine from 10 years ago was molested. Of course she absolutely hates my guts now, but that’s not an unusual reaction for women who get involved with me in some way or another. I’m used to it.
She told me that she was molested by a pedophile in her church group when she was 8 years old. The molester was a young man and he does appear to have been a pedophilic or preferential molester. She told me, “It’s confusing because it feels good but it’s wrong.” This is part of the thinking behind the confusion that kids experience after being abused.
She also told me that she had completely gotten over it by age 50, but she seemed to have gotten over it much before then. I knew two other women (I actually got involved with these two whereas with the other one it was more email and hot phone conversations) of the same age who were sexually abused as girls, one by a probable pedophile and the other by her opportunistic teenage older brother. They both told me that they had gotten over it by age 50 but implied that they had gotten over it much before then.
The shame, blame, and confusion are apparently short-term effects in most victims, and at the very least have dissipated by college age.
The implication is that children or minors may experience those effects for some time in their youth, but these effects mostly go away by adulthood, and there is no lasting damage in almost all (90%) of cases. The study also found that where the molestation was consensual or non-coerced, there was little if any long-term damage. However, when coercion was involved, damage was much more likely and could easily last into adulthood or perhaps an entire lifeftime.
Unfortunately, pedophiles have gotten a hold of the Rind et al study and like to wave it around to try to push for legalization of child/adult sexual relations.
That’s not my intention here. I don’t care if most victims get over it. Good for them. I’m happy that they are not damaged in the long term.
Nevertheless, this behavior still needs to be outlawed because I don’t want to live in a society where adults are allowed to have sex with young children below age 13. I don’t have to have a reason. I just don’t like it. That’s all the reason I need.
Rape: Non-consensual sex generally involving force, the threat of force, gross deception like pretending to be another person, or drugging the victim. Everything else is gray rape and most DA’s won’t touch it with a 10 foot pole. Realistically, if she is protesting and telling you to stop and you are forcing yourself on her, it’s rape whether a DA will take it or not.
Coercion is an odd word. Anyone can coerce anyone into doing anything legal. People have been coercing me all my life. It’s not very nice, but it’s hardly rape as long as she ends up willing. It’s important to limit our definition of rape because even stranger rape is rarely prosecuted.
Almost no one ever goes down on sex with an intoxicated woman, no matter what she is intoxicated on. The feminist line that intoxicated women can never consent to sex is odd.
By this logic, intoxicated men can never consent either. Conceivably, a sober woman having sex with an intoxicated man is guilty or rape!
By the same token, an intoxicated man and an intoxicated woman are guilty of raping each other! Except of course only the man will conceivably ever go down on it.
And what of alcoholic women and women are drug addicts? Apparently every single time they have sex with anyone, they’re being raped!
Also, no one even knows what intoxicated means? At what point is someone drunk enough to not consent? Who knows!
What about other drugs – heroin, cocaine, cannabis, hallucinogens? At what point is one so intoxicated on this or that drug that they cannot consent? No one knows!
Obviously this law is ridiculously vague. All vague laws are unconstitutional and illegal because no one knows whether they are breaking them or not.
As usual, the intoxication is rape argument makes absolutely no sense, like almost everything feminists say ever. Which is a good reason to abandon feminism. It’s nothing but lies!
If you wish to know, DA’s will only prosecute on intoxicated sex as rape if she is passed out cold or passing in and out of consciousness. And even then, some video evidence might be nice. Case in point: the Steubenville boys. If she’s passed out, leave her alone! What are you, a necrophile? If she’s passing in and out of consciousness, forget it. She’s too wasted to enjoy it and half the time, you’ll be having sex with a corpse. In which case, what the Hell is wrong with you?
Logically speaking, you can coerce anyone into sex legally. If you make a condition of a job, it’s not illegal then either, but you can be sued as it’s a civil offense. As I said, anyone can coerce anyone into doing anything legal as long as there is no force or threat of force involved. If by the time she’s in bed, she’s awake and enthusiastic, it’s not important how you got her there unless you used force or the threat of force.
All affirmative consent laws are insane and stupid because no man has ever gone down on failing to read a woman’s mind properly. But if she looks terrified and unenthusiastic in bed as if you are forcing her to do something you don’t want to do, I don’t know pal, but that sounds awful rapey to me. It may be legal but that doesn’t mean it’s right.
Statutory rape (illegal intercourse): Of course teenage girls can consent, but in a legal sense we say some cannot with certain different-aged partners for various reasons, mostly that society finds the idea of adults having sex with teens of certain ages to be unsavory. Where it is consensual, the harm is almost zero.
Nevertheless, men should be advised that these laws are enforced, and nowadays they put you in prison. It’s mostly a non-issue compared to the others here. AOC varies but tends to be ~15-16 in most of the world. In European countries with AOC’s at this level, problems are very rare. This isn’t even really rape. It’s better to call it “illegal intercourse.”
Child molestation: Any sex with an adult and a child under 13 is child molestation. It has to be sex. Backrubs and shoulder pats don’t count. There has to be some sort of genital contact. As I noted in a previous post, harm varies with the degree of coercion.
Feminists should wish to recover all victims of child molestation to live full lives instead of being victims. Child molestation is illegal and should never be allowed. Some kids actually like it believe it or not (I’ve met adult women who enjoyed being molested), but we still need to keep it illegal because we do not wish to live in a society where adults have sex with kids.
Child rape: Sadly it is important to separate child rape from child molestation. This is because feminists and moral scolds have taken to conflating all child molestation as “child rape.” They’re not the same thing. Yes, small children cannot consent to sex with adults but that doesn’t mean it’s rape when it happens. Instead we use the word molestation to refer to the fact that little kids can’t legally consent. There’s no need to muddy the waters here.
Child molestation is generally “consensual” psychologically. However it is not consensual legally because we say that kids can’t consent to sex with an adult. Almost all sex with kids is molestation, not rape. Child rape does exist and it is a severe crime. It often involves strangers, abductions, threats, weapons, and violence. It’s always non-consensual by definition. In some cases, the children are physically harmed or even killed.
The consequences can certainly be long-lasting, even affecting the victim over a lifetime. Nonetheless, women seem to be able to get over rape. I know a number of women who were raped and got over it fine. I’ve only met one woman raped as a child and she won’t discuss it. And yes, it was pretty bad. Two 11 year old girls raped at knifepoint. As bad as it gets.
Pedophilia: This is simply a sexual orientation like homosexuality that means the primary or sole attraction is to children under 13. Hebephilia (primary attraction to pubescents age 12-14) and ephebephilia (primary attraction to teenagers) are not included in pedophilia.
These men cannot help their condition and need to be helped to manage it so they do not offend. There are now organizations of virtuous pedophiles dedicated to pedophiles who have committed themselves to non-offending. Pedophilia cannot be combated or prevented because we have no idea what causes it. There’s no way to fight it because it simply exists.
~75% of child molesters are non-pedophilic molesters. They’re no more pedophiles than any other man. This shows again that there is a difference between the terms pedophile and child molester. Most of this molesting tends to be in the family whereas pedophilic molesters tend to molest outside the family, in part because they often have no children of their own.
There is nothing wrong with these non-pedophilic molesters sexually and probably even psychologically – their sexual interests are quite ordinary. They are “normal” in the way that most criminals are “normal” – that is, they are not the slightest bit crazy. The fact that criminals in general are not crazy and in fact are often remarkably sane is in part what makes them so dangerous. If they were crazy we could protect ourselves from them better. The fact that they are so sane is what enables them to get away with their crimes and also makes them hard to catch.
Rather these are simply bad men who are opportunistic and will have sex with females in general – women, children, no matter. A female relative or child is also a very easy target for these very manipulative men. In some cases it is an alternative if the wife has cut off the sex. The best description of these men is that they are simply criminals. They are users and their behavior is part of a pattern of control and abuse, often combined with verbal and physical abuse.
It is hard to say how girls how girls are effected, for it is mostly girls who are effected by intrafamilial child molesting in part because most gay men do not have children nor do they have access to them. Most molesting of boys does not occur in the family, and in fact such molesting is not very common.
Instead most boys are molested by homosexual pedophiles. And of course there are homosexual pedophiles – the woke crowd claims that homosexuals and pedophiles cannot be one and the same and yet they can.
They tell this lie because sadly gay men do have a pretty high rate of child molesting, mostly probably of the pedophilic variety.
A logical explanation for this is that both homosexuality and pedophilia are probably developmental disorders, as is biological transsexualism. Something goes wrong developmentally with the fetus in the womb, hormonally in the case of male homosexuality and biological transsexualism but due to unknown factors in the case of pedophilia. It would stand to reason that developmental disorders might tend to overlap due to a common cause.
Pedophilia may be caused by subtle brain damage. Neurological soft signs – typically evidence of subtle brain damage – are very common in pedophiles. Furthermore, pedophiles tend to have lower IQ’s than non-pedophiles, once again suggestive of mild brain damage.
In some ways it is worse if your own father is doing it to you. Nevertheless, most seem to get over it with time. The behavior of non-pedophilic molesters is outside the purview of mental health because we just talk about whether behavior or persons are crazy or not. And these men are not crazy. They’re just bad. We are talking about matters of morality and law, not matters of psychology and psychiatry.
There is often significant Cluster B Axis 2 Personality Disorder pathology as is the case with most men who use and abuse others. These men are fairly easy to rehabilitate absent significant psychopathy because significant guilt is not uncommon, and they are not pedophilic, so they can easily fulfill their sexual needs without resorting to children. Probably in India, Morocco and most of the Third World, most molesting is by non-pedophilic molesters because pedophilia proper is not well known in these places, and most men, even gay men, tend to marry and have children due to societal pressure.
First is the orientation to persons or objects of attraction. Heterosexuals are primarily attracted to the opposite sex. Homosexuals are mostly attracted to their own sex. Bisexuals have significant attraction to both sexes.
Sexual Orientation and Sexual Behavior Are Not Synonymous
Sexual orientation is somewhat independent of behavior. Heterosexuals are quite capable of homosexual behavior, and many homosexuals engage in some heterosexual sex. Bisexuals may be behaviorally heterosexual or homosexual for long periods of time.
Orientation is what you are primarily attracted to – behavior is who you have sex with. In cases such as ancient Sparta, the two did not line up very well at least for teenage boys and young men.
The second is age orientation.
Most people, including me believe it or not, are teleophiles – that is, they are primarily attracted to mature persons. This usually means age 16+ because 16-17 year old adolescents are almost indistinguishable from adults in terms of their sexual features.
As the age of the person declines below age 16, teleophilic attraction tends to decline, however, all men still have measurable but much lower attraction even to girls aged 7-13. Some studies show that normal male attraction to girls declines steadily from age 16 to a very low level at age 7, and below age 7, there is no measurable attraction. This is probably correct and any man with significant attraction to very small girl children below 7 is no doubt quite pedophilic.
Girls still have female features of women, especially after age 7, and these features grow more prominent from age 7-12. Around age 10-11, most girls develop very long legs; in short, the legs of a woman. Normal males are attracted to girls this age mostly to the extent that they like their legs, since their legs look like an adult woman’s.
The more a minor looks and acts like a woman, the more attractive she will be a normal male. The more a minor looks and acts like a child, the less attractive she will be to a normal man. The opposite is true for a man with a pedophilic or hebephilic attraction.
For instance, letting little girls under age 13 wear makeup is probably a very bad idea because many normal men say that when little girls put on makeup, they start to look a lot more attractive to men. I can concur that this occurs. It also makes me very uncomfortable. A little girl is not a sexual creature, as she has no sex drive per se. Why sexualize a non-sexual creature? Childhood for both boys and girls below age 13 should be sexless. Normal children have little or no interest in sex.
Note that since teleophiles react maximally in the lab to 16-17 year old girls and most Americans consider such a strong attraction to be “pedophilia,” the remarkable conclusion is that the current feminist and social conservative hysteria about “pedophilia” means that 100% of normal American men are pedophiles! That sounds like the very definition of a mass hysteria right there!
There are also ephebephiles like Jeffrey Epstein who are primarily attracted to girls age 15-19 or mid to late adolescents. Girls this age often have significant to fully developed adult features and bodies. Psychiatry has decided that ephebephilia is completely normal, therefore, there was nothing wrong with Epstein psychologically.
Epstein was not a pedophile in any sense of the word despite continuous descriptions of him in this way. Nevertheless, most men are probably not ephebephiles.
Women reach their peak attractiveness to normal men at age ~23. Men reach their peak attractiveness to women at age ~27. As you can see, women prefer their men a bit older and men prefer their women a bit younger. This seems to be a natural tendency of the human race as even the Romans remarked up this fact of human nature.
A man can still have a child when there is snow on the roof (when his hair is White), but a woman’s time is short.
– Roman saying of unknown provenance.
Hebephiles are primarily attracted to pubertal persons around the age 12-15. All attraction is gone by age 16. Hebephilia is quite a bit more normal than you might think. 26% of all men react as strongly or stronger in the lab to 12-14 year old girls than they do to women.
In most cases there is strong attraction to mature females too, so most of these men never act on this attraction as adults. Hebephilic attraction is generally antisocial in adults, whereas attraction to mature persons is pro-social. Faced with strong prosocial and antisocial attractions, most probably focus on the prosocial attraction and repress or suppress the antisocial one.
Considering that idiot popular culture (99% of people) would say that any man as or more attracted to 12-14 year old girls as to adult women is clearly a pedophile, our ludicrous culture would easily class a minimum of 26% of all men as pedophiles. That’s 28 million “pedophiles” in the US, idiots. Good luck executing all of them or locking them all away forever!
It is important to note that hebephilia per se is not considered to be a mental disorder in any way. In other words, it is quite normal. Nevertheless acting on it is a moral and legal problem but probably not a psychological one as in mental health we don’t deal with crime as mental abnormality per se. We are only concerned if people are crazy or disordered or not.
Pedophiles have a primary attraction to children under age 13. It is quite common. 3% of adult men or 3.3 million American men are pure pedophiles of this type. Substantially more common are men who are as attracted to children under 13 as they are to mature persons. 18% of all US men fall into this category for a total of 21% of all men being as attracted to children under 13 as they are to adults, a shocking figure. Our current culture would clearly call all of these men pedophiles. So once again we end up with 20 million “pedophiles.” Good luck executing or imprisoning for life 20 million American men, moral hysterics!
Note that we don’t even bother to call all men who react maximally to children under 13 pedophiles! We would have to call 20% of all men pedophiles, and no one wants to do that. In mental health, we are mostly concerned with the 3% pure pedophiles because the only way they can satisfy their sexual urges is with a child under 13. This makes these men dangerous almost by definition. Hence it is recommended that they get with an empathetic therapist regularly to keep from acting on their attraction and offending.
Here probably even more than with hebephiles, most of this 18% of men above probably repress or suppress the antisocial attraction to children under 13 and instead focus on the equally strong attraction to mature persons.
In contrast to hebephilia, pedophilia is considered a mental disorder if it is upsetting to the person or if they have acted on their urges with children under 13. It is interesting to note that pedophiles who have never molested children and are not bothered by their attraction are considered to be completely normal psychologically.
Biden 83.5 million votes 55% Trump 71 million votes 45.5% Separation: 12.5 million votes 8.5% Pre-election polls: Biden +8.2% Exit polls: Biden 7.9% Match between pre-election and exit polls: Biden +0.3% (perfect)
154 million votes actual results
Biden 80 million votes 51.1% Trump 74 million votes 47.2% Separation: 6 million votes Biden +3.9% Pre-election polls: Biden +8.2% Match between pre-election and exit polls and actual results: Trump +4.1% (large red shift) Theft: 6.5 million votes Trump +4.1%
This is a blatant example of massive election fraud by the Republicans via hacking of voting machines (mostly ESS machines) in almost every state because almost every state uses voting machines that in general cannot even be monitored or checked for election theft because the vote printout it gives you about your choices might be false. In other words, the machine would tell you you voted exactly as you did, but then it would mis-record your votes.
In states like Pennsylvania, it is even harder to prove election fraud. It necessitates actually looking at the hardware and software in a forensic sense. Recently, Virginia went to all hand-counted paper ballots for state elections. The next year there was a Democratic sweep of the state and polls and exit polls were right on the money.
It is important to note that aggregate polls and exit polls were right on the money in the US for decades until the onset of computerized voting in 2002. Computerized voting was put in in that year via HAVA – Help America Vote Act – written by Karl Rove and Jack Abramoff. This was actually the start of a plot to steal our elections.
A few voting machine companies were set up, all run by radical rightwing Republicans, often Christian Dominionists. The money behind all of the firms came from the Bush and Romney families. These families still own most of these voting machine companies to this day. Dominion was sold to another company and the new owners appear to be Democrats.
It’s not true that Democrats are in on the election theft too because only Republicans control the voting machines. But the hacking even involves Democratic elections. The Clinton-Sanders primaries were hacked by Republicans to give the victory to Clinton. In many cases, the hacks simply pick the most conservative candidate, even on the Democratic side.
Furthermore there appears to have been massive hacking of state elections all across the US, the result being Republican Legislatures, Senates, and Governors in many states that consistently vote Democratic. These state governments then put in gerrymandering rules that make it almost impossible for the Democrats to win. For instance, in Wisconsin, Democrats would have to win 65% of the vote to take over the Legislature and Congress due to gerrymandering.
Obviously all gerrymandering must be made illegal as it’s anti-Democratic. But Democrats engage in gerrymandering when they’re in power too. What happened was that in the last two decades, when the electorate was 10-20 points more Democratic than Republican, the Democrats suffered inexplicable losses all across the country. This makes no sense. A +15 point Democrat electorate should be winning elections for Democrats on a regular basis.
After 2002, for the first time, aggregate polls and exit polls started going off badly. The Idiocracy in our media and political classes twisted themselves into all sorts of doughnut shapes to try to explain this. The theories are many, varied, and all equally preposterous. Somehow we always seem to “miss” countless Republicans who never answer either pre-election or exit polls!
Even Nate Silver at 538.com has bought into the “terrible polling and exit polling failures” nonsense. The Democratic Party, especially the DNC and Markos at Daily Kos, has utterly refused to consider that our elections might be being hacked. That’s too much to bear for them. Their excuse is, “If we admitted our elections are being stolen on a massive scale, Americans would lose faith in our elections and in our democracy.”
There’s also the insane attitude of our media and political elites that conspiracy theory is always false. Hence the truth about our stolen elections is relegated to conspiracy theory and tinfoil hat territory. There is so much lying, misdirection, bias, provocations, tricks, false flags, fake attacks, and overt conspiracy theory in Western relations that I feel instead that conspiracy theory may be the only proper mode in which to analyze modern geopolitical reality in the West.
Put another way, here in the West, we are getting to the point where conspiracy theory is simply the normal, day to day operation of the state. This also extends to political parties and mass movements themselves.
In our modern era here in the West, it might be better to say that Life Itself Is Now a Conspiracy Theory. False flags have certainly become so common that they are nearly normal now.
Parables for Paranoids: As long as they can keep you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about the answers.
– Thomas Pynchon, Gravity’s Rainbow (1973)
Well, we don’t have a democracy here. That should be clear to anyone, especially after two decades of election theft and election fraud along with gerrymandering and massive voter suppression at the polls. Any country that has gerrymandering, election fraud, and voter suppression as the hallmarks of its electoral process cannot possibly be a democracy. America has not been a democracy in a long time, probably for most of its history. The America as a shining beacon of democracy” lie is nevertheless believed by most Americans and millions of dupes and rubes around the world.
Notice that the aggregate pre-election polls were 8.2% and the exit polls were 7.9%. That is an almost perfect match. The exit polls were correct as usual. And the pre-election polls were also good if we look at the perfect lineup between pre-election and exit polls. But Biden won by only 3.9%, a theft of 4.1 percentage points or an astonishing 6.5 million votes.
The Democrats are trying to push a bill that will raise the federal minimum wage to $15/hour. This is part of the Push for Fifteen movement sponsored by labor and the Left in general, especially the Bernie Sanders crowd.
This is part of the Democrats’ $1.9 billion COVID relief package. I generally support this, and the $1,400 is certainly much needed, especially around these parts, as in, my humble abode.
However, Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Krysten Sinema of Arizona, the two most conservative Democrats in the Senate, vow to oppose the $15/hour minimum wage. Well, good for them! See? Here I am, rooting for the most conservative Democrats in the Senate. I think that shows more than anything else how insane and extreme the modern Democratic Party is on so many issues. I never support conservative Democrats on anything!
Manchin somehow always manages to get re-elected in a state that Trump won by 39 points in 2016 and 29 points this time around. But West Virginia has a long tradition of electing conservative Democrats. Remember Robert Byrd? Sinema managed to win in purple Arizona, long a very conservative state, home of Barry Goldwater after all. She probably won by billing herself as a conservative Democrat. Just to show you that conservatives are as woke as liberals nowadays, Sinema is openly bisexual. The Culture War is over. The Left won. Time to pull down the flag and go home, social conservatives.
Manchin and Sinema are proposing an $11/hour minimum wage. Well that lifts families of one and two persons out of poverty at least. It leaves families of three $1,000 short and families of four $4,500 short. I don’t mind this compromise. I’d prefer $12/hour, but I will settle for $11. Anything’s better than $7.25/hour.
Mitt Romney and Tom Cotton (Tom Cotton! He’s one the most rightwing people in the Senate!) are proposing a slow increase in the minimum wage to $10/hour in 2025. I guess it raises at ~60 cents an hour. That seems awful meager.
And it’s also linked to E-Verify, and mandates all employers to use it. I believe it submits the worker’s Social Security # if he even has one and sees if they are eligible to work in the US.
You realize that illegal aliens engage in mass identity theft of other people’s social security #’s, right? You all think that’s ok? Why is that ok? How would you like it if some crook who sneaked into your country illegal was using your SS# to steal a job from an American citizen or legal immigrant.
This E-Verify is utterly reasonable. How this is unreasonable is beyond me. Insanely, the ACLU went to court to put an injunction on E-Verify at the federal level, apparently because it messes up sometimes. Oh, my God! Something doesn’t work right all the time! So let’s throw it out and never use it! Try applying that to every object you own and see how that works.
I completely support full implementation of E-Verify at the federal level. Maybe then we can get a lot of these damned illegals to self-deport.
For some insane reason, the Democratic Party is opposed to E-Verify! Why?! Do illegal aliens automatically have a right to work in this country? No other country on Earth allows such nonsense. Go to any country on Earth and try to work if you’re not a citizen or a legal immigrant. Good luck with that. But we are America, and the whole damn world has a right to sneak in here anytime they want!
Biden also opposes E-Verify. Why, for God’s sake? What in the Hell is their reason? What good reason is there to oppose such a completely reasonable measure?
The present minimum wage is way too low. It’s $ 7.25/hour. It’s been stuck there since 2009. Obviously it needs raising. Question is by how much. It is stated that the present minimum wage is not a living wage. I haven’t the faintest idea what a living wage even means. What in the Hell does that mean?
$7.25/hour definitely puts a single worker above the poverty line. That’s all I think the minimum wage should do. Poverty level is ~$13,000/year for one person. Try living on that sometime. Good luck!
Family of two? $17,420. With the present federal minimum wage, a family of two would live in poverty. That’s not ok. You would need a minimum wage of $9/hour to lift that family out of poverty.
Family of three? $23,000. Well, you would need a minimum wage of $11.75/hour to lift them out of poverty.
Family of four? $26,500. You need a minimum wage of $13.50 to raise that family out of poverty.
What is the purpose of a minimum wage? If it is to keep one person out of poverty, the present wage is fine. If it is to keep a family of two out of poverty, we need to go up to $9/hour. If it is to keep a family of three out of poverty, we need a minimum wage of $11.75/hour to raise them out of poverty. Is it to raise a family of four out of poverty? Then we need to raise it to $13.50/hour.
We can also go by the historical minimum wage. It was at its highest level in 1968, when it was the equivalent of $12.20/hour. I say to raise it to that level. Raise the minimum wage to $12.25/hour to match it with the highest it ever was in the past. Reasonable, right? It also lifts a family of three out of poverty, though a family of four is still $2,000 below the poverty line.
Someone needs to tell me what the ideal purpose of the minimum wage is? To raise a family of one out of poverty? A family of two? A family of three? A family of four?
Here in California, we have a minimum wage of $12/hour. That’s $24,000/year. That seems like quite an acceptable minimum wage for these parts. I would certainly be happy to make that much money.
I’m quite dubious about a $15/hour minimum wage. That just sounds way too high. Why not raise it to $50/hour then if we are going to keep jacking it up. Why stop at 15?
Polar Bear: Jews and Gentiles are conditioned to side with Jews.
Well, Jews are not wonderful and special and perfect just because they got genocided. Lots of groups got genocided. Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks, Cambodians, American Indian tribes, Aboriginals, Moiriori, Chechens, Gypsies, Herero, Congolese, Hutus, Yezidis, East Timorese, Hindus in Bangladesh, got genocided. Have they turned into diabolical monsters because of it like the Jews did? I don’t see why getting genocided gives Jews the right to turn into the worst human beings on Earth. All that does is make people think maybe they deserved it.
I don’t think the world has the stomach for any more Jew-killing. It’s been going on a pretty long time, and this last go-round was a doozy. In fact, it was so bad that I think that all mass-Jew-killing is off the table for probably centuries into the future. No one wants a repeat of the Holocaust.
Why should I automatically side with Jews? Because they got killed in the Holocaust! This is going to sound cruel, but boo hoo! I’m sad that y’all got massacred, but now that you’ve turned into human monsters, I’m not going to support you because bad people did something terrible to your people. By the way, you are now playing the role of the bad people doing terrible things to others.
Israel is a dyed in the wool racist state to the very core of its being. The racism or bigotry is enshrouded in virtually every law and code in the country. The other correlate is apartheid South Africa, which it seems to have been modeled on. It is also very similar to the Jim Crow laws that Blacks were forced to live under not just in the US South but in many places in Latin America. You never knew that Jim Crow was in place in other places too, did you? I know for a fact that there was legal segregation in Cuba until after the Revolution. And there was de facto legal segregation of coastal Blacks in Ecuador.
Israel is probably one of the most openly and brazenly racist countries on Earth. Why do they get to be racist monsters? Because they got killed in the Holocaust! Boo hoo. It doesn’t give you the right to turn into racist kleptomaniacs. No one gets to be racist monsters or terrible people. I don’t care what got done to them. You don’t get to turn bad in revenge because something bad got done to you.
Jews drive me up the wall. They are absolutely committed to flooding all White Christian countries with non-Whites and non-Christians. Why? Because when the White Christian population gets below 50%, a Nazi type regime can never come into power. I wouldn’t be too sure about that. Some Arab Muslim countries were pretty cruel to their Jews in the last 75 years. Be careful what you wish for.
They scream and yell about racism of all types, but they exaggerate it by a factor of 10, and they make mountains out of molehills. It’s all done to demonize White Christians as racist devils. You know why they do this? Revenge. It’s revenge for the Holocaust. And part of it may be resentment because there was some legal discrimination against Jews for a while in the US.
As a counterpart to the argument about Blacks, the Jews seem to have prospered pretty well in spite of all of that discrimination. So there may be revenge for the anti-Jewish discrimination we put them through. A famous Jewish psychiatrist, Stanley
Rothman, in the 1960’s diagnosed the basic Jewish character as Paranoid-Masochistic Character. The masochistic part means they love being victims. I say you can take anything away from a Jew, but never take away his sense of victimhood. He will fight for that for his dear life. It’s literally the most important thing in his life. It’s his fuel for living.
The paranoid part is obvious. Jews are paranoid. You look at a Jew wrong and you just like those people who threw them in the ovens. They spend most of their lives all revved up about what their enemies trying to do them and how they are poor, pitiful victims. That’s a Hell of a way to live your life.
The young Jewish men Rothman saw were very angry at US society. Most of their rage focused on WASP’s. Coded, that means White Christians. Traditionally, WASP’s were the ruling class in the US, but that has probably not been true for a long time if we speak of mere White Anglo Saxon Protestants.The US ruling class for some time now has consisted of all White Christians. They were full of rage and hatred for WASP’s and harbored an extreme desire to get revenge on the WASP’s that had supposedly been holding the Jews back. So here you can maybe see the antagonistic position that a lot of Jews take towards White Christians.
Jews scream all the time about how wonderful all the non-Whites are, especially Blacks and Hispanics, but they won’t be caught dead living within 10 miles of any of them. But if we complain about crime, litter, or graffiti, we’re evil racist scum, and we need to get canceled.
Cancel culture was started by the Jews. So was Identity Politics. The Jews are the original Identity Politics group.
This above is raw, naked hypocrisy. They scream at us for being racists for complaining that some Black guy stole our car. They won’t shut up about how evil and racist White Christians are. But they won’t live anywhere near these minorities because they know full well how crime-prone they are and all of the pathologies that typically follow large numbers of these people.
So our countries all get flooded with non-Whites and non-Christians for the benefit of the Jews and the detriment of the White Christian sons and daughters of the land. Why? Because that’s good for the Jews.
But we’re all Nazis so we deserve it.
And Israel gets to be one of the most racist countries on Earth because…? Because why? Because they got killed in the Holocaust! See what hypocrites they are? Anti-racist, White-hating fanatics in the Diaspora hypocritically proclaiming their love of all non-Whites whom they disdain so much that they won’t even live near them. And in Israel, they’re as racist as a Southern cracker in the 1950’s. Why? Because that’s good for the Jews.
See how they think? Everything’s all about them. It’s all about what’s good for them. If it’s good for them, we have to do it, no matter if it’s bad for everyone else, no matter that it’s in direct contradiction to whatever they’re pushing on the other side of the world. What if we all went through life maximizing what’s good for us? It wouldn’t be a very pretty world.
Remember the list of seven Arab countries Israel demanded that we take out after 911? Yeah, that actually happened. And as the US does everything Israel orders it to (Why!?), the US has been busy taking out all these countries one by one in repeated Wars for the Jews. We have used military force and killed people in five of those countries – Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Somalia. Iran doesn’t quite count because we killed their general in Iraq. By the way, those wonderful Israelis tipped us off to where and when he was going to be in Iraq.
Iraq: Done. Result: Saddam removed. Failed state, replaced by pro-Iran, anti-US, anti-Israel government. Mission: Accomplished in a sense as Saddam was removed and a government hostile to Israel and the US was taken out. The new government is hostile but not nearly as much as Saddam was, plus the US has the country over a barrel.
Libya: Done. Result: Failed, somewhat fractured state. Mission: Accomplished, failed state with Al Qaeda like groups everywhere.
Somalia: Done. Result: Failed, fractured state. Mission: Accomplished, but Al Qaeda everywhere.
Sudan: Done. Result: Regime change. Mission: Completely accomplished. New government is pro-US and pro-Israel.
Syria: In progress. Assad still in power. Turkey and US occupying Syrian land in violation of international law. Result: Failed state, with existing pro-Iran, anti-Israel, anti-US government still intact. Mission: Ongoing, not accomplished, but maybe partly accomplished with creation of failed state. Al Qaeda and ISIS still very active. Significant parts of country controlled by insurgents. Pro-US, anti-Assad illegitimate Kurdish state in power in the east. Government weakened but not taken out, and in some ways, the state is better armed and trained. Probably more hostile than ever.
Lebanon: Ongoing. Result: Failed state. Regime change attempted but government still in power. Anti-US, anti-Israel, pro-Iran government still in power. Hezbollah still controlling government and not yet destroyed. Mission: Ongoing but failing. Recently attacked by US and Israel with a nuclear weapon! Regime change attempt with coup via mass violent riots and French government strongarming failed.
Iran: Ongoing. Anti-Israel, anti-US regime still in charge and support for the government has actually gone up. Regime change via violent riots in support of coup attempt failed. Ongoing offensive activities in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen, and Palestine. Result: Government weakened greatly by sanctions and surrounded by hostile military forces in the Gulf states and in the Arabian Gulf, Mission: Ongoing but failing. Iranian allies being bombed in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen. First two by Israel, second by Saudis. General and nuclear scientist recently assassinated, but support for the government only increased. Regular threats, false accusations, and false flags.
A woman gets molested as a girl? Well, it some cases she just likes it, believe it or not. I’ve met them and they’re not exactly rare. Others didn’t like it but decided to sexualize it as a way to get beyond it. I’ve met them too. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying getting molested consensually as a child and deciding that you enjoyed that experience.
It doesn’t make you a bad person of a “defender of pedophilia” as they say about Milo when he reacted that way to statutory rape with older men when he was a 13 year old gay boy. He loved it. Most gay teenage boys love the sex they have with older men, and up to 1/3 are in a relationship; with an older man at any time. So gay boys absolutely do not get harmed by statutory rape. They love it!
It’s your choice how to react to such things.
We still need to keep it illegal though. In many other cases, she doesn’t like it, but she’s mostly just confused because “it feels good but it’s wrong,” as one woman told me. But she just moves on too. I’ve dated a number of women who were molested as girls. They told me they just got over it.
In fact, studies show that most women just get over it. This is what is in the Reiner et al study that Congress itself voted to condemn, although it was a completely scientific study. And I think the psychological establishment even had a fit over it. Some facts are not ok so they must not be facts! And they call these people “scientists of psychology.” What a joke.
This goes completely against the narrative that getting molested as a kid ruins women for life, and it’s not PC at all to say that. But we should be happy that so many women just handle lousy things that happen to them. What do the PC idiots and feminists want? They want all women damaged for life so they can say child molesting is bad? We already know it’s bad. And so they got over it? So what? That doesn’t make it ok. And the more coercion that was involved, the more likely the woman is to be damaged. However, most child molestation is just that – molestation.
It’s not rape. Most molestation is indeed consensual. The kid usually just goes along with it or gets convinced to go along with it. I’m not sure exactly how this works, not having been molested or molested a kid myself. I imagine the consent aspect is pretty complex. But indeed, most kids do “consent” to getting molested – consent in a psychological sense.
However, they are not consenting legally because we do not recognize a child’s consent as valid. So the lie that “kids can’t consent!” and “minors can’t consent!” all the way down to 17 year old girls two weeks shy of their birthday is nonsense. Of course they can consent and with teenage girls, it’s almost always consensual. So they can consent, but we do not recognize their consent legally. That’s the sane way to say it. “Minors can’t consent” is cucked faggotry. That’s for male feminists and other soyboys. No real man says that about a teenage girl.
Child rape and child molestation are two different crimes. Child rape is quite rare. It’s is often a stranger and a weapon is often involved. The child may well be harmed or even killed. Now that feminists have weaponized the definition of men raping females to include everything but the kitchen sink, all molestation is being seen as “rape.” And all perfectly consensual sex with teenage girls – often initiated by the girl, by the way – is also rape. I guess everything’s rape then! Hey feminists. Is there any kind of male-female sex where it’s not rape on the man’s part? Wondering here.
This is a long-awaited update to the Delphi Murders case. You wonder why I have not published, but it was due to how I was treated. I was reported to the police probably 40 times for being the murderer or for being a “pedophile” (I wasn’t aware that being a pedophile was against the law). I was reported to the IRS 20 times. I was interviewed by a detective as a suspect in the murders. Too bad I hadn’t left California in 3 1/2 years!
I wrote a lot about sexual aspects of the case and this got turned into an idea that I was writing about my sexual fantasies of raping and murdering teenage girls! None of these things other than being the killer would mean anything even if it were true. After all, it’s actions not thoughts that count in this world. But if it makes you feel better, there’s nothing to any of it. I received more death threats than I can count.
Getting down to lesser complaints, it was said that I deliberately made up lies about this case out of whole cloth in order to get more hits! It was said that I was ripping people off by charging for the forum but if you knew the time I put in, I doubt if I made minimum wage.
At first it was free, but we had to get rid of that. See all those posting restrictions on public forums. We were trying to avoid that. We started charging $10 to get in, but we had spies and enemies paying the $10 and then taking our private material out of the group and posting. We went up to $20 to keep spies and enemies out. It worked.
The site’s not monetized so that doesn’t matter, but I have a BA in Journalism and have worked in the field. If there’s one thing that will kill your career, it’s that, and my records clean after decades of published journalism. We charge money for a private forum that met to investigate the crime. There was a tremendous amount of information about the crime there – in fact, it was one of the largest databases for materials about this case around.
We made it private because we were talking about real people as suspects and doxxing people. I’m not sure if there’s a legal liability there, but we were trying to avoid that. It was also done to protect the privacy of our members. Contrary to rumor, we never listed anyone’s name as a suspect for the crime. We did bring up some names but mostly to say that they were cleared or they were not involved. Their names were brought up because they were being passed around.
Some of these people have made it a mission to hunt me down and do unknown threatening things to me. I never realized that pointing out someone was innocent was deserving an ass-beating! We did have one suspect that we were looking at for a long time, but we never published his name one time on this site nor did I publish it anywhere on the Net.
I have never published the names of people we were investigating on the site or anywhere else. Some people got mad because we were looking at them, but don’t worry. We investigated everyone and their brother for this crime. Not many people were off-limits. And of course we looked at family members.
Another rumor says the families hate me. I wouldn’t care if it was true but I do have a good relationship with one of the three parents.
We never had an “secret, special, inside or otherwise sources.” We listed anonymous sources a lot because that’s what we do in journalism! The anonymous sources somehow drove people into a frenzy.
Law enforcement worked with some of us a little bit, but not much. They requested some material from us and we gave it to them. A local sheriff’s deputy was one of the most active members of our group. It was and is extremely difficult for us to get law enforcement (LE) sources, but now and then, we get lucky.
It somehow got out that we had a prime suspect in this case. It was more like my prime suspect. He’s done a number of very suspicious things in relation to this crime, including recording numerous videos inferring that he killed the girls. A lot of his other behavior was suspicious too. Turns out we now feel that he was a dead end and he’s not implicated in the crime.
He’s still a lousy person and he threatened to murder me many times. But he didn’t kill those girls and that’s all that counts. Contrary to rumor, his name was never published one time on this site or anywhere else on the Net. I’d apologize to him but he sent me too many death threats to bother with that and he’s a scumbag anyway. A scumbag? Sure. A homicidal scumbag? Guess not.
Anyway, we recommend that people turn their attention away from this man.
He’s just one of many, of course. There have already been several false confessions in the crime already.
We do have a lot of new information that I have never seen published anywhere but some of the Facebook groups seem to have been privy to some of this data. Anyway, the rest of the world has never heard of it, so here goes.
The motive for the crime has been revealed:
For a long time there was much controversy about whether there was a sexual assault in this crime. I always thought there was because any time a man murders two teenage girl strangers in this fashion, there’s almost always a sexual component, rape, torture, sexual sadism. The rape and torture are motivated by the sexual sadism.
Anyway, the motive for the crime was the rape of Abbie Williams. I will sit back and let that settle for a bit. I don’t have any specifics on what exactly he did to her sexually, but the sex act was definitely consummated, let’s put it that way. I’m not sure if she was raped while alive or dead. That’s unclear.
Both girls appear to have been bound with ropes behind their backs.We know this because Libby German’s fingernails were covered with bruises and dirt. That means she was digging her fingers into the ground behind her back while being assaulted.
Libby German had numerous defensive wounds on her hands and arms. It appears she put up quite a bit of a fight.
The girls were controlled with a gun. You can see the gun clearly in his right jacket pocket. I can’t believe people still think it’s a rumor. A fifth grader could have figured that out. He pulled the gun on them and controlled them with it.
The video of UNSUB (the suspect) was taken by Libby’s cellphone. There were also trail cams active at the time. We do not know what photos, if any, were captured there. The murders themselves may even have been recorded by trail cams, but this is uncertain. An audio of the murders may also have been recorded on Libby’s phone. This is uncertain. Obviously this material cannot be released. The reason only the small snippet of voice recording has been released is that that is all there is. There is a lot of other recording from the phone, but it is all muffled and inaudible.
The girls were both definitely marched across the creek by UNSUB.
The pack around UNSUB’s lap is as we said forever a deer kit. Deer kits contain ~5 different knives that are used to cut up a deer carcass after you kill it. This is a bit disturbing because it implies that he may have seen the girls were like wild animals that get hunted legally every year. We do not know if that is a go-pro on his forehead, and we also do not know if the crime was recorded.
But we are now 100% certain that UNSUB brought his own camera or whatever sort to the crime, and he used to it take pictures at the crime scene.
We are also now certain that Abbie also had a phone during the crime. Her phone also played a role in the crime.
Abbie was raped, correct, and the sex act was completed, that is, UNSUB ejaculated. I don’t have any further details than that nor do I know the nature of the sex acts. Hence, police absolutely have DNA because they have sperm cells from UNSUB’s semen. In addition, they have epithelial cells from UNSUB’s skin. The samples match.
There are reports that the crime occurred over an extended space. Supposedly the “crime scene” starts at the Robinson family’s backyard near the dump spot and extends 1,000 yards to the dump site. We don’t know what that means. Maybe it means he was chasing them as they were running away from him and he was attacking them while they ran. But we still don’t know if this rumor is even true.
It is still not known that the girls were killed at the dump site or that they were murdered on the day they disappeared at all. There are continuing rumors that they were removed from the scene and taken to a barn (apparently the Mears’ barn) where they were kept for some time and then returned to the crime scene, dead.
The Mears barn was prominent in one of our theories for a while and it is interesting that it is coming back.
We had an investigator at the barn and he talked to the owners. He mentioned a rumor that the girls were murdered in the barn and he said that their faces both went hard, cold, and pale. They said nothing. He considered that an ominous sign. Also we did discover a small flower set in the barn that looks like the sort of flowered memorials that are left at death sites along highways.In addition, the barn was absolutely searched by cadaver dogs during the search of Lucas’ property.
The rest of his property was also searched by the cadaver dogs. We don’t know what they found. Keep in mind that none of this means that the barn was used in the killings, but it is only interesting that this old theory we thought was dead and buried has experienced a recrudescence. There is a problem with the barn information at the moment, in that it is all coming from a single source, and some people think she is trying to misdirect theories about the crime. Everything about a barn or that barn is completely speculation at this point.
For the moment, we assume that the girls were killed at the scene. Indeed, reports said, “It was all over in 40 minutes.” That means that they were dead by 3 PM. UNSUB was seen hiking away from the crime scene at 3:15 PM. So you can see, there is also evidence that they were killed at the scene. Arguing against that once again are reports that the site was searched more than once the night before.
In addition, Ron Logan described the crime scene as “pristine.” I assume that this is when the police left, but how many homicide sites are “pristine?” It seems a bit odd. Once again, we have no evidence that they were killed away from the dump site and the theory that they were killed at the site remains the best one.
If they were killed in the barn then they would have been returned to the dump site later, probably in the middle of the night. Investigators discovered the dump site by following two sets of footprints downhill from the graveyard to the crime scene. This descending pair of footprints is not explained and it hard to figure a theory for why they are there.
We now have repeated statements that the dump site was absolutely searched during the searches the night before. There were no girls there when they searched. Of course, maybe the girls were there, and searchers were mistaken that they searched the site.
The crime scene was absolutely disturbed. At least two and possibly more searchers touched the bodies. Two searchers tried to revive the girls by mouth to mouth resuscitation. This seems odd if we were dealing with 21 hour cold corpses. Anyway this has contaminated the crime scene.
There is no evidence that police botched the investigation in any way. Everyone is saying that because that’s what people say when a killer cannot be found. But quite a few killers are very hard to catch even by the best police and a large number are never caught and die with their secrets. A homicide case open for three years or even a cold case is not evidence of a botched investigation. Botched investigations are not common in the US.
As I said, the murder weapons were knives as we knew from the start. Libby had her throat cut so badly that she was nearly beheaded.There was a scarf tied around her neck at the funeral to hide this wound. People have attacked this story endlessly, but it is fact. For one thing, I spoke to Libby’s mother and she verified the wound to me and in tears told me that she was the one who tied the scarf around her neck to hide the wound.
The story that Libby was wearing a scarf at the funeral has also been attacked with attendees saying they never saw a scarf on either girl. However, we are in possession of a photograph of Libby’s funeral. In the photo, you can see her casket and you can make out Libby inside of it. Indeed she has a scarf tied around her neck. We have decided not to release this photo. I assume all of this stuff will come out at some time or another as old crime scene photos of all sorts tend to make their way onto the Net after a decade or two.
There is also a strong rumor that Libby was attacked with a gut knife. A gut knife is included in a deer kit. It is used to for gutting a deer. Libby was stabbed in her abdomen to such an extent that her intestines were protruding from her body. This leads to the horrifying implication that he gutted her body as if it was a dead deer. One wonders if UNSUB is a deer hunter? Additional evidence supporting the story of Libby being gutted in this way is in the form of several reports of detectives in hardware stores a week or two after the crime, asking if anyone had bought a gut knife recently.
There are continuing rumors that the crime scene was staged and that UNSUB left a signature or particular style that was his own at the scene. We reported earlier that UNSUB had stabbed the girls with sticks and branches. Sticks and branches were shoved into both girls’ vaginas and anuses. In addition, Abbie was impaled with a large branch which was plunged into her body right below her solar plexis. The cause of death of Abbie continues to be a single knife wound to the heart.
We heard this rumor first when someone in the community had crime scene photos and published them to his blog the evening of the crime. He thought the killing was some sort of a Satanic ritual and he was the first source about the story of sticks and branches being shoved into the girls’ bodies. We talked about a possible Satanic theme to the crime in early blog posts and were ripped to pieces over it. The reason we wondered about that was due to this young man’s crime scene photos and his description of them.
This rumor was later verified by the wife of a detective. He could not sleep at night and finally broke down and told his wife about the murders. She also stated that sticks and branches were shoved into the girls’ bodies.
Now we have a third source, a detective from a different branch of LE. This confirms once again the story about sticks and branches being shoved into the girls’ bodies. So we now have three sources for that story.
However, there is no evidence for the Satanic nature of the crime. This was only theorized early on due to the bizarre things that were done to the girls’ bodies. Both bodies were staged and posed.
UNSUB may have used some sort of bleach to kill DNA at the crime scene. In the photo, UNSUB has a bottle of something in his left pocket. We could never figure out what it is but it seems to be toilet cleaner. This consists of a lot of bleach. Some substance containing bleach, possibly toilet cleaner, may have been thrown onto the body of at least one of the girls. It was tossed onto her the area of her genitalia and lower abdomen. We don’t know which girl he threw this stuff on.
Abbie was nude below the waist and Libby was completely nude so the killer disrobed the girls.
We published rumors that one of the girls was in the early stages of pregnancy. We have been ripped to pieces over this story probably more than any other. However, we recently were able to verify the story via a sheriff’s deputy in a neighboring county. He said that the autopsy revealed that one of the girls was in the early stages of pregnancy. We are not going to reveal which girl was said to be pregnant but maybe we will later. So we now have many unverified and one excellent verified source for this story.
Perhaps the strangest of the new evidence is that Abbie and the murderer had known each other for 3-4 months before the crime. So she knew her killer and he knew her. He apparently met her on social media. A social media link was reported by police early on. Since he was on her social media, he absolutely knew that both girls were on the trails that day.
There are stories that the journey to the bridge was a last minute decision but we now have information that it had been planned since at least the previous Friday. We have a report that people were discussing Abbie and Libby’s upcoming trip to the bridge at a local bar on Friday night. And there seems to have been continuing discussion over the weekend.
As you can see, the killer was very prepared. He knew exactly where the girls would be and at what time. The idea of a random serial killing is nonsense. The killer has no DNA match in the many databases in the Rust Belt that were searched. But LE may have been able to identify the killer by DNA in some other way.
There is now a story that the killer took photos of the presumably dead girls at the crime scene. Photos of the dead girls from the crime scene were sent to Abbie’s phone after the murders, possibly on the evening of the crime.
This killer seems to be using cellphones and social media. And we can’t find him? Color me confused.
Police may or may not have a particular suspect that they are looking at. We are getting conflicting stories on that. But if they do have a suspect, the killer may be a local. There is also a rumor that the killer may have a close relationship with the girls’ families. This means someone either in the extended families or in their extended friends group. Keep in mind that this not yet v verified. However, a familiar name from early in the investigation of someone in and around the extended families has been mentioned. I do not know if LE actually considers this man to be a suspect.
There are persistent rumors that LE may have a suspect, but simply do not have enough on them to file. We received this information for the first time from an LE officer who works for the Presidential Secret Service, the branch that protests Presidents, their families, and even Presidential candidates. We received this story about one month after the crime.
The implication is that LE have a lot of evidence, but problems with the case have made it difficult to file against any possible murderer. This is presumably making the DA balk at filing charges as DA’s will not take a homicide case to court unless they think they are pretty sure that they can win it.
LE investigated many suspects. They also looked very hard at a family angle.
A well-known and prominent member of one of the families was kept under surveillance by a detective for nine months after the crime.The detective even followed this person when they went on a vacation with their families a considerable distance away. The surveillance ended after 10 months. We don’t know why this person was being investigated and tailed, but apparently LE thought they might have had something to do with the crime. This person is no longer under investigation and LE don’t think he was involved.
Perhaps you have read about the latest attempted poisoning of Russian dissident Alexei Navalny with “Novichok,” the same poison that was supposedly used against the Skirpals earlier, although that whole mess was an MI6 false flag to frame Russia. No one, much less the Skirpals, got dosed with “Novichok.”
The Skirpals probably got dosed with BZ. After all, BZ was found in one the samples they accidentally sent to the “outside lab” in Switzerland. The poisoning symptoms resembled BZ, not Novichok. Remember how the story kept changing and the Skirpals kept getting dosed with Novichok in place after place. The story changed because after one fake story fell apart, they had to invent another one.
Main reason no one was dosed with Novichok in the Skirpal incident? If a weaponized dose of Novichok was put on their doorknob (the fake story they finally settled on), they’d both be dead. Novichok is fatal. Within 10 minutes. No exceptions. Further, the poisoning symptoms observed in the Skirpals looked nothing like Novichok symptoms.
That Swiss lab wrecked everything. They also found an extremely pure trace of Novichok in the Skirpals’ blood. Problem? That was three weeks after the attack. The Novichok found had only been there a day or two. The stuff degrades, fast. If they had been dosed with Novichok three weeks before, that Novichok would have been significantly degraded.
Further, Novichok comes in weaponized doses. A weaponized chemical weapon has various other components in it to enhance delivery, etc. It’s a weapon. None of the standard additives that are found in weaponized chemical weapons were found in that sample. Instead, it was pure, straight out of the lab. Well, no one uses something like that in a chemical weapons attack. They use the weaponized version.
Here’s obviously what happened. Remember the Skirpals got dosed a mere five miles away from the diabolical Porton Down, the UK chemical and biological weapons lab where a variety of very nasty and completely illegal substances continue to be created and stockpiled against every treaty about such things the UK ever signed. The UK is as bad as the US, I’m telling you. Pure evil.
Porton Down was in on the whole scam. They supplied the BZ and somehow dosed the Skirpals with it. As with so many of these other anti-Russia false flags, the hand of the Russian oligarch opposition was present. A helicopter came to fly people to safety as soon as the false flag unfolded. It came from the compound of a Russian billionaire oligarch who absolutely hates Putin. So he was in on this false flag too.
After the Skirpals are hospitalized and the story gets revised every day or so, everything is confused. Now Porton Down makes up some lab-fresh Novichok. It’s well known that Porton Down had made and worked with this substance before. They put it in the Skirpals blood vials. Hence the purity and the non-weaponized nature of the Novichok. The BZ was already there since Porton Down were the people who dosed the Skirpals.
The Skirpals were forbidden to talk to just about anyone while wild contradictory tales floated about around their condition. At some point, they vanished off the face of the Earth.
The British are responsible for whatever happened to them. Skirpal himself is a Russian double agent, but he already did his time in Russia and no one in Russia cared about him anymore. He and his daughter (also dosed) are either dead, killed by MI6, or they are being imprisoned somewhere by the MI6. There are also stories that the Skirpals are in New Zealand. Wherever they are, I wouldn’t want to be either of them right now. Intelligence agencies kill people. And they never get caught.
In this latest Novichok reversion, Russian dissident got poisoned with “Novichok” by Putin because he is a dissident.
Problem? First, Navalny is CIA, but everyone knows that. So what?
Second, Navalny, the darling of the West, the “voiced of the Russian opposition” runs in Presidential elections all the time. He gets a whopping 1-2% every time. He has no support in Russia. All of his support is with Russia regime change agents in the West. Putin and many others in the government laugh about Navalny and say he’s a nobody. He’s nothing. He has no support. There’s nothing to worry about. Why kill him? What’s the point of killing an irrelevant, harmless man with no power and no support?
Navalny got very sick on his plane trip. This much of it is true. He went to the bathroom and came back very ill. The pilot quickly rerouted the plane to an airport where he was rushed to the hospital in Omsk. The story quickly unfolded that Navalny was poisoned by his coffee that he ordered at the airport. There are photos and video of him ordering the coffee and drinking it with his entourage.
Problem? A member of his entourage ordered Navalny’s coffee for him. He didn’t tell the server though, so for all the server knew, it was for the associate. How could the server have known that the coffee was really for Navalny? Also, wait a minute? Putin has FSB agents working behind the counter at airports conveniently? How the Hell does he do that? How does the server put the Novichok in the cup of coffee? He has to put it in after he fills the cup, right? Right in front of everyone? That didn’t happen.
Next, if Navalny had Novichok in that tea he’s drinking at the airport, he would have been dead in 10 minutes. Not only that, but one or more of his friends at that table would have also been dead at the same time, killed by the fumes. Obviously that didn’t happen. So there was no Novichok in the tea at the airport snack bar.
That story blew up, so they went on the next one. In this story, Navalny has some water bottle he brought with him on the plane. It has Novichok in it. He takes a swig. He gets poisoned, etc. Except he’d be dead in 10 minutes again. Now he’s been killed twice already. And anyone around his seat on the plane would be dead too, from the fumes.
Also, crucial. The descriptive reports of Navalny’s poisoning symptoms as reported by passengers were not the symptoms of Novichok poisoning, the symptoms of which are well known. None other than the inventor of Novichok himself said the attack was fake because not only was Navalny not dead but his symptoms looked nothing like Novichok poisoning. At all.
Well that story bombed too, apparently. Time to come up with a new story! Now Navalny’s hotel room at the airport gets searched, and a soft drink bottle is found. It has Novichok in it! Obviously poisoned in his hotel room! Except again, he’d be dead in 10 minutes. Along with anyone in his entourage near that bottle. Ok, so now he’s been poisoned and killed three times over, along with a few of his entourage. This Navalny guy’s better than Jesus! He only came back once for Chrissake!
Well, I guess that story didn’t work either. Because next thing we know, Elliot Higgins otherwise known as “Bellingcat,” the fake “citizen journalist” who is actually a fellow at the ferociously anti-Russian NATO-linked Atlantic Council and is also apparently working for the MI6 and probably the CIA too, came up with a doozy, elaborately sourced as it is. Keep in mind that Higgins’ stuff is so well sourced because he gets all his data from the MI6 and CIA intelligence agencies. And they know a lot of stuff. Higgins is their cutout.
He released a tape of Navalny of all people phoning up an FSB agent. Apparently Navalny just called this spy up on the phone and the spy didn’t even recognized his voice. The voice of Alexei Navalny, CIA and MI6 asset in Russia, who’s probably under surveillance most of the time. This agent, who is named, then gives up the ghost. All the three previous stories were fake. Well, we knew that.
What really happened, the agent said, was that Navalny’s underwear was dosed with Novichok, the dried powder kind. Well, that was a mistake. Being dried, it didn’t kill him. Except his sweat would have activated it. And I suppose “dry” Novichok kills you as good as any other kind. So his shorts poisoned him on the plane but didn’t kill him because the Novichok was “dry.” The FSB messed up! Except if he got poisoned by the stuff at all in his shorts, he’d be dead. You don’t survive a dosing with weapons-grade Novichok. Along with people next to him on the plane.
Now he and his associates have been poisoned with Novichok and killed four times over. The guy has more lives than a cat!
More problems. Wait a second. This FSB agent didn’t recognize the sound of Navalny’s voice, a voice known well by half the country? Uh huh. This FSB agent picks up the phone in his apartment and reveals top secret information to some clown on the phone he’s never met, posing as an FSB agent? Uh huh. This FSB agent has any secret conversations at all over a damned unsecured phone line? Sure. The FSB agent takes this guy’s word that he’s an FSB agent, though he gives a name no agent has? The FSB doesn’t even check this guy out? Come on.
However, this part of it was well done. Bellingcat released the names and fake identities of some FSB agents, which is a pretty ugly thing to do. Obviously he got this from the CIA. Supposedly the agent’s voice is even well done. The FSB only comments to say that the whole mess is a well done fake.
None of this matters because the FSB never dosed Navalny with Novichok four times, or even one time, and certainly didn’t by putting it on his underwear. We are talking about something that couldn’t happen so it didn’t happen. End of story.
Anyway, Navalny gets rushed to a hospital in Omsk. Because of course, if Russia tried to murder the guy, the first thing they do is rush him to the nearest hospital, right? Oh, come on. The doctors are very good. The toxicology doc there is the best in Russia. At first they suspect poisoning. They run a toxicology screen on everything, including Novichok. Nothing, blank, zero. Clean.
They run through a bunch of other tests and conclude he’s in diabetic shock. Which can be fatal. Turns out he was diagnosed with diabetes a few years back. He’s almost dead and has to go on a ventilator. By the heroic actions of the docs, this ingrate traitor’s life gets saved. They also put him on a standard drug that people get when they’re on a ventilator.
Agents from Germany show up in Russia and race into the hospital room. A hospital plane is flown to Russia at a moment’s notice, all decked out in the latest gear. Boy, that was quick! It’s almost as if…the Germans knew something was up?
He’s rushed onto the plane to a German hospital. First, breathless pronouncements are made of a drug residue being found, apparently the poison. Except that’s just the drug the Russians gave him on the ventilator, standard procedure! More tests. More tests.
The Germans run a toxicology screen. I guess it’s the best toxicology screen on Earth because it finds Novichok where even the best minds of the Russians missed it! Do the Germans even know what Novichok is? The Russians are baffled. The Russian docs request that the Germans send Navalny’s blood samples with “Novichok” to them so they can look it over. Of course, the Germans tell the Russians to go pound sand! Very suspicious. Why not send a sample to the Russians? What’s the harm? Fishy as Hell.
Next we get a captured phone conversation between two high ranking government officials, one in Germany and one in Poland. The German is recorded telling the Pole that the whole Navalny poisoned by Novichok saga is made up, a false flag done to set Russia up as a patsy.
I suspect the German BND is the party behind this mess. Why this time? Notice these false flags always happen at the least opportune moment, the exact time when Russia doing that would be about the stupidest thing they could do? Well, turns out that the Nordstream gas pipeline from Russia to Western Europe only needed 10 more miles of pipe to be laid.
It’s supposed to end in far northern Germany. NordStream has been controversial and the US, UK, and Atlantic Council have been falling all over themselves trying to stop it, all to no avail. Merkel has made all sorts of noises, mostly to the effect that it’s a done deal and quit trying to sabotage it.
So the fake Navalny Novichok poisoning false flag was done to set up Russia in a desperate last minute attempt by the BND (who are very deep in with NATO, especially NATO intelligence) to stop the pipeline. Which failed; the pipeline is going forward. And pile some new sanctions on Russia for more fake reasons. Which was done. Which was to be expected.
Notice that in all of these stupid false flags how the stories keep changing? That’s how you know you’re dealing with another fake story. Real stories don’t change every other day. They change all the time because they’re made up in the first place.
The Russian hospital would have reported if they had found Novichok. Why wouldn’t they? If the poisoning was such a big secret, why do a toxic scan? What for?
The inventor of Novichok insisted that the whole drama was nothing but a big fake. See his comments above. Further, when Navalny emerged from his coma weeks later, the inventor noted that his pupils should have been pinpointed because a telltale sign of Novichok poisoning is pinpoint pupils, and the pupils would still have been pinpointed 3 weeks later.
The inventor said that even if he was dosed with 1/300th of a standard dose, which is the size of a grain of salt, he would still have had pinpoint pupils. Novichok has never been used in an attack.
The World Bank and the IMF (both of which are basically run by the US) forced the Third World countries that requested loans to gut and privatize their public sectors in order to get the loans. The stated reason was to lower the state’s expenditures so they would have more money to pay their loans back.
But it often came with a lot of other demands like opening up the country to foreign investment (rape, rob, and ruin exploitation) cutting the wages of workers, attacking labor unions and gutting labor protection law, lowering or eliminating the minimum wage, etc. It’s hard to see how any of these things enables the state to pay their loans back easier, especially as the attack on the incomes of the 80% majority would lead to much lower tax revenue for the state.
I’d say the World Bank and the IMF have an ulterior motive, the same as the US – to promote neoliberalism, if need be by force, the world over because the neoliberal model is what’s best for the US oligarchy and the corporations.
Rambo: I wonder what percentage of these murders are in some way drug-related? I’ve never seen actual numbers but would have to guess those numbers would be pretty high. It just seems that in so many of these cases drugs were at least the “chain of events” starter that led to alot of these murders; an ever present link in the chai
RL: Most of these Black on Black shootings in our big cities these days are gang warfare. And what sustains the gangs? The drug trade. Legalize the drug trade and for what purpose will the gangs exist? How will they make money? They may just fold up altogether. Those gangs are primarily money-making operations.
So since most of the shootings are gang related and the gangs exist because of the drug trade, I would say that probably the vast majority of these murders are drug-related in that sense. Not so much related to the consumption of drugs as in people getting high and crazy and blowing each other way but more related to the sale of drugs.
Rambo: Which brings up the question once again: should all drugs be legalized? A lot of Libertarian types say it’s the obvious solution to halt murderous gangersterism, but since Libertarians never get elected to anything, aren’t they just banging their heads against the wall? If all drugs were legalized, how would hardcore drug addicts get the money to acquire the narcotics they desire? Would drug-related crimes increase? Since addicts aren’t likely to be long-term job holders, how would this affect the society at large? It’s not an easy issue to address.
This has already been tried in a sense in Seattle and in some ways, it is being tried in other places like the city of Fresno very close to where I live.
In Seattle, possession of small amounts of heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine are legal. However, drug dealing is still illegal.
In Fresno, meth addicts state that police are not prosecuting meth possession crimes of under a certain amount. So users are carrying precisely this amount with them and possibly dealers are delivering packages in this precise amount. It’s not a tiny amount of meth either.
Legalizing possession of hard drugs in Fresno and Seattle has not led to a decline in drug use, of course. And since drug sales are not targeted and remain illegal, the problem of drug trade-fueled gangsterism obviously carries on regardless.
Legalization of cannabis promised to put a stop to all cannabis-related crimes, but now illegal street sales of cannabis are somehow competing with legal cannabis sales in cannabis shops. I’m not sure on what basis the illegal sales are competing. But legal cannabis is very heavily taxed, possibly taxed so highly that the price has become noncompetitive, and street sales can beat the cannabis shops on price. Border Patrol agents are still seizing huge amounts of marijuana at the border and arresting people for trying to smuggle it across, but this strikes me as absurd considering that restricted use and sales of the drug are already legal in much of the US.
In Seattle, police were arresting street people and the homeless, the vast majority of whom had either mental illnesses or drug addiction issues, regularly for all sorts of petty crimes. The local jails were overcrowded and typically they would be jailed for a month or two and then released. Police complained about a revolving door involving these petty offenders, but it’s hard to see what else could be done. This situation is very much ongoing.
Since use is legal, entire sections of downtown Seattle streets have been taken over by mostly homeless addicts using meth, cocaine, and heroin right out in the open. Low level drug dealing is also ubiquitous.
As a result of all of this, Seattle has become a magnet for homeless people all over the country who are flooding there due to the good treatment the homeless receive there. Nevertheless, downtown streets are now full of homeless people sleeping rough on the sidewalks. People going to work have to step over these human eyesores as they negotiate their way to their jobs very morning. Mentally ill homeless people regularly act loudly and frighteningly crazy right on the sidewalks and streets, creating huge embarrassing and scary scenes. Not much seems to be done about these lunatic ravers.
Perhaps most importantly, now that drug use is legal, addicts have swarmed to the city, and petty theft rates in local businesses have skyrocketed as addicts steal goods to pawn to buy their dope.
So, sure, partial legalization solves some problems, but it also creates a whole lot of new ones.
As usual, I have no ideas on how to ameliorate this situation. I’m going to throw up my hands on this one like I always do.
Good luck attracting White liberals or Jews. How many Whites would support an all White state? 5%? 1%? Are most of them gonna be xenophobic, racist rightwing reactionaries? Count me out. An all-White nation would blow.
Can I get an amen?
I think maybe 6-9% of Whites might support a White state. Nobody ever polls it for some weird reason. Maybe they are afraid of the answer.
They will all be xenophobloic racists, that’s for damn sure. And extreme racists as far as racism goes. Say racism is on a spectrum, especially nowadays with theses fool definitions. These White nationalists are ultra-racists. They’re wildly racist. They’re so racist that they are so dramatically out of touch with everyday society as to be near cartoon caricatures.
The overwhelming majority of them will be reactionaries too, and particularly crazy ones at that. Not only that but almost all of them will support Jim Crow, the Confederates in the Civil War, apartheid in Rhodesia and South Africa, and the Nazis in WW2. They will all say slavery is no big deal. They will all oppose Brown vs. the Board of Education, and the Civil Rights, the Voting Rights, and Housing Rights Acts.
They will all support legal segregation and oppose all integration on the dubious basis of freedom of association. They all (even the White nationalist liberals, and there are a few) want to wipe out all social programs, which they call welfare. To them all social programs just means taking the hard-earned money of Whites and giving it out in freebies to a bunch of stupid, criminal, worthless niggers and beaners. They don’t see that many Whites use these programs too. In fact, if you mention that Whites use these programs, they will all say you are lying and laugh at you.
And they will be anti-liberal and especially anti-Communist fanatics. They will basically be fascists, in other words. Almost all White nationalists are pretty much fascists.
In a word, these people are wildly, cartoonishly ultra-racist fanatics. They are not good for Black people! They are not good for most Hispanics. They are not even any good for Asians. They are especially bad for Black people, for whom they reserve much of their ire. No Black person should have anything to do with these maniacs. They hate you. Every single one of you. Trust me. I know these people very, very well.
TIL that everyone who likes being White, like the commenter and me, has to be an extreme rightwing fanatic! Can’t you like being White and be a Centrist? Or a liberal? A progressive? A socialist? Hell, even a Communist? Why not?
Why all “Whites” have to be ultra-rightwing fanatics is something I will never understand.
Interesting post from Claudius about transgenderism. I don’t completely agree with it, but it’s more right than wrong.
Transgenderism is mostly a fad because not all gay men who “transition” become hookers. In fact, many are too ugly and masculine for straight men. These I would call “fad trannies.” Not technically insane though the cult itself is suffering from collective insanity, mostly as a form of political and emotional rebellion against conservatives.
So there are four groups:
SJW gay fags
The vanishingly small number of people truly suffering from gender dysphoria
The latter two groups are truly insane, but only the last one is deserving of our sympathy and collective medical and legal effort, to wit, they should be legally considered the gender they feel like and actually be encouraged to take hormones and chop off their dick. I doubt even 0.1% of the population would meet the criteria for real gender dysphoria.
Autogynephiliacs should not be legally considered their gender of choice under any circumstances. Why? Because they are straight and thus attracted to the opposite gender. These trannies are potential rapists of women, although I don’t think they pose an overall large threat to anybody save themselves. But you’re right about them having many comorbid paraphilias. These are truly sick fuckers. Look at ContraPoints’s YouTube channel..
“She” is a lesbian tranny. Lolz.
Also note that the first group, gay hookers, don’t chop off their dick. Almost all tranny prostitutes here, in Thailand, or wherever keep their dick because men like to play with it and sometimes be fucked by it. The economic incentive is quite strong, casting doubt as to whether these tranny hookers ever even had gender dysphoria in the first place.
From what I’ve read, men with gender dysphoria are appalled by their own penis and truly want to get rid of it. The prospect of keeping it to make a few bucks on the side by forming non-emotional relationships with straight men doesn’t add up.
RL: It seems to be an extreme form of homosexuality, and their brains are actually female-shifted. That is, they don’t have female brains or male brains.”
I didn’t know this. Interesting. It matches up with what I said. They are just super-duper gay. I like these trannies. They seem very nice, albeit a bit gold-diggerish, but whatever. I could be friends with these people.
Psychotic autogynephiliacs like ContraPoints or Caitlyn Jenner who killed someone with “her” SUV while escaping paparazzi, Hell no! BTW it was an accident, the SUV crash, but still.
Polar Bear: Of course, letting women dominate men is worse. Men should play the role of loving father to women but be damn sure not to let her hold the reigns.
Men have to dominate. Or at least they have to be seen as dominant. Or at the very least, as masculine. One thing I will never do is seriously insult a man’s masculinity. I won’t call a man gay either. I never do that. I don’t call men faggots, even if they are. If they are, it’s just mean, and I don’t torment homosexuals. If they’re not, no matter how wimpy they are, they might attack me. Any man, if you call him a homosexual or attack his masculinity and say he’s not a man, is liable to hit you, or perhaps worse. It’s a perfectly natural, normal, logical, and sensible reaction.
That it’s illegal doesn’t matter. A lot of perfectly normal and sensible reactions are highly illegal. Quite a few of them might land you in prison for life. That’s why you don’t act normal and sensible all the time. At times we must submit to a higher law or at least a higher level of logic. Of course it’s logical to assault or even kill a man who attacks your masculinity or calls you gay! What could be more reasonable than that? On the other hand, if we do that, then a higher level of logic comes in – the logic of the law and society.
And in this case the logic of the law and society trumps the logic of the primal man of which we are no longer. The higher logic says that if we do that, we will probably get caught and sent to jail or possibly prison, maybe for a long time. So in this case, the higher logic predominates.
Probably the main difference between civilized societies and less civilized or uncivilized societies is that the more civilized societies, men tend to defer to the higher law more often.
In a more primitive society a man simply acts on his whims as the primal man inside of him demands. There are few or no higher orders of society or law to constrain him. This is why you see so much crime, violence, homicide, and general disorder in such places. Too much primal, low-level thinking and not enough civilized, higher-level thinking.
This also has to do with impulsiveness. In less civilized places, people are more impulsive. One of the best things that civilization brings is a decrease in impulsiveness. Instead of just getting an impulse and acting on it, people in more civilized places tend to think it over, at least a bit, before they decide whether to act on it or not.
They think, “Suppose I act on this impulse, what will happen then?” If something bad will happen to them if they act on the impulse that is worse than acting on the impulse, then they often will not act on it. This is called forward thinking, thinking ahead, planning, or thinking for tomorrow.
The less civilized people are, the less they think of tomorrow. They can think maybe 24 hours ahead and that’s it, if they can even think for that long. Increased forward planning and thinking ahead is associated with more civilized peoples. Perhaps the most civilized people on Earth, the Asians, think ahead not just in terms of years or even decades, but in terms of centuries or even millennia! Compare that to an Amazonian jungle tribe, perhaps the least civilized people on Earth, where no one thinks beyond the next 24 hours, if that long.
Why people keep saying California is liberal is beyond me. My city is 80% Hispanic. But my county voted Trump +13. As soon as you get outside of the city limits here, all the precincts went for Trump. And the Whiter wealthier areas in my city also went for Trump. The Central Valley is not very liberal at all! Yeah my Congressman is a Democrat, but he’s a crappy rightwing Democrat, a Blue Dog Democrat who might as well be a Republican.
Let’s look at the ballot propositions. Either Californians are dumb and get swayed by the big money and their fake lying campaigns on the propositions or they’re just not that liberal. Because the vote wasn’t very liberal.
Californians Voted Rightwing on Eight out of 12 Initiatives
Proposition 15: A fake privacy law bolstering law written by criminals like Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, and the rest of the Silicon Valley crooks that actually weakened privacy laws passed! “Liberal” Californians sided with crooked tech billionaire enemies of the people to screw over consumers!
Proposition 16: Bring back affirmative action in employment failed badly. I like that result, but face it, it’s rightwing. So California “liberals” supported an anti-affirmative action proposition.
Proposition 18: Allowing 17 year olds to vote in primaries if they will be 18 in the general in the fall (Big deal!) failed. That’s a very rightwing vote. California “liberals” voted rightwing again.
Proposition 21: Putting in some common sense rent controls in this insanely overpriced housing market failed again. It always fails! Some liberal state! The Legislature won’t pass it either because all the “liberal Democrats” in there are bought off by extremely wealthy landlords. Some liberals!
Proposition 22: Reclassifying gig workers are contractors so their crooked billionaire employers can keep ripping them off and paying them $5/hour, which is what Lyft and Uber pay their drivers (!) passed! “Liberal” Californians voted for big business crooked bosses and ripped off poor workers!
Proposition 23: Regulating the criminal dog capitalists who run crooked dialysis facilities preying on poor workers suffering kidney failure terribly! They’re not regulated at all right now and that’s terrible for sick workers. California “liberals” voted to keep the dialysis crooks unregulated!
Proposition 25: Changing the cash bail system which keeps workers accused of crimes in California’s”liberal” jails that are as terrible as a Hieronymus Bosch painting before they have even been convicted of a thing, sometimes for years, to let non-dangerous people who haven’t even been convicted of a thing out of jail until they go on trial failed! “Liberal” Californians voted to keep poor workers in California’s Dantesque jails just because they’re not rich enough to afford bail!
Californians Voted Liberal on Four Initiatives
Proposition 14: Funding stem cell research barely passed.
Proposition 17: Restore voting rights for felons on parole passed.
Proposition 20: Increasing penalties for some crimes failed.
Proposition 21: The vote to make some large property owners pay the going rate for their property taxes barely passed. The only “homeowners” it applied to had three or more houses! If you own 3+ houses, you’re a “homeowner?” Get out.
There were 12 ballot initiatives. “Liberal” Californians voted rightwing on eight of those 12 initiatives and voted left on only three of the 12, and two of those barely passed with the skin of their teeth!
California “liberals” are not even all that liberal. They’re more like liberal Republicans. The only way they are left is Fake Left which means SJW Left, which isn’t even left at all. It’s just a bunch of bourgeois “fake rights,” most of which attack Whites and men and vastly privilege sexual degenerates and mentally ill freaks who think they’re the opposite sex against people who are normal sexually and do not have a psychosis about their genitals.
Anyone who thinks that is “left” is insane. Remember the Communist countries of the 20th Century? Remember how socially conservative they all were?
Homosexuality was often illegal. Castro put gays in prison.
Trannies would be sent to an asylum where they belong.
Men were free to be men and women to be women.
No Communist country on the face of the Earth was anti-White. In fact, the USSR and the East Bloc were some of the most pro-White countries the world has ever seen.
Porn and gross, open sexual degeneracy and perversion were banned.
That’s the Real Left. The Real Left is left on economics but fairly conservative on the BS social issues..
Let’s look at the awful California ballot initiatives this year.
Proposition 15: Making businesses pay the market rate for their property tax, like – Everyone else? – will drive out Mom and pop businesses all over California. Mom and pop! Oh no! Poor Mom and Pop! Poor corner market!
Proposition 19:Making big rich landlords maybe pay the market rate for property tax, like – I dunno? Everyone else in the country? – will massively increase taxes on poor homeowners like Mom and Pop, forcing them to sell their homes and go homeless! Poor Mom and pop! They’ll have to move! But only if they have three houses already!…But that means they’ll have to sell one and move into the other two. But that will mean poor Mom and Pop will only have two houses to live in except for three! How will they survive? They’ll probably have to eat cat food or go homeless!
Proposition 21: Voting for putting some sane controls on the insane rents bankrupting Californians actually meant voting to increase your rent. It will drive rents sky high! You don’t want that, do you? Besides your poor landlord will have to sell one of his yachts! Oh noes!
I know the landlord-criminals always rent control makes rents go up, but how does that even work anyway. Rent control literally sets limits on your rents. I’ve met people who lived in rent controlled apartments in San Francisco and their rent was much lower than their non-rent controlled neighbors.
Ok, so rent control makes your rent go up! So, instead, let’s...not have any rent control! Then rents will totally go down and stay affordable and stuff! Whoops, I was wrong. They went sky-high because there were no limits on them.
So…no matter what you do, your rent’s going to go sky-high while your landlord gets to add new rooms to his mini-mansion! We can’t win! No matter what we do, we’re fucked! Time to pour another drink.
Proposition 22: Voting for giving Uber drivers some rights meant an all-out war on poor Uber drivers, forcing most of them out of their jobs! Help save the Uber drivers! Vote yes! Thank you Uber and Lyft!
Proposition 23: Voting to put a regulation or two on the dialysis industry meant an all out war on those poor suffering dialysis patients! Poor patients! They’re all gonna die! Oh noes!
Proposition 24:Voting for increased privacy on the Net actually meant voting for less privacy. Sponsored by Facebook and Twitter, the best friends of consumers who are totally out to protect your privacy!
My brother’s a hardline partisan Democrat, and I think he even voted rightwing on a couple of those crappy initiatives.
Every time I get fancy mail telling me to vote some way on a proposition, especially to be please vote liberal and progressive on this measure, I’m immediately suspicious. I figure it’s some Big Money scam tricking me into voting for their greedy BS, and I’m almost always right. That’s why I need those voter guides. Without those I’d be dead. But who reads one? It’s pretty hard for me with a genius IQ to figure out those evil initiatives written by (((crooked, lying, cheating, thieving lawyers))).
The initiative process has been completely upended. It was initiated ~1910 in this state to put measures on the ballot to control out of control scumbag robber baron corporations like Southern Pacific Railroad, which seemed like they owned half the state.
The initiative process was supposed to be a way for the ordinary working person to have a voice against the rich and the corporate tycoons because like Hell was he ever going to get a voice in the Big Money-controlled state government. It was supposed to be a progressive, grassroots citizens’ voice thing.Now half the propositions were put in there by huge corporations, usually totally deceptive propositions where they tell you to vote “liberal” except if you vote liberal, you actually vote for the rightwing big money initiative!
I was originally fooled by most of these BS initiatives. Most are written to be as dishonest as possible and the No campaigns are always very dishonest. You can always tell which ones not to vote for because those are the Big Money campaigns flooding your mailbox with slick campaigns telling you to vote for some groovy liberal and progressive things which is always neither. The good campaigns actually but out of the Left never have any money of course, so you hardly ever get brochures from them.
Alpha Unit: OK, Jim Crow laws were proposed as a solution to a problem: White Southerners were being ordered to treat newly freed slaves (and free Black people) as equals, when it was clear that newly freed Black people were in no position to live as their equals.
Their solution? Forget all this “equality” stuff; it’s costing us too much. Let’s bring back the old, tried-and-true way we used to do things: Blacks subordinate to Whites and kept in their place. We’ll make sure it’s “legal.”
Occam’s razor. Look for the simplest explanation. This makes the most sense to me. The whole idea that Claudius is putting forward that White folks are just too nice to do this sort of thing, well, nope. Humans have a need to dominate others. The strong dominate the weak and the weak dominate the weaker. See countless works of literature, drama, and cinema, or, Hell, just read Nietzsche if he makes sense to you.
Also there are different types of sadism.
The First Type of Sadism – the Raw Animal Lust for Cruelty and Love of Humiliating Others Seen Most Prominently in Boys
I’m thinking this type is genetic or biological. This is a pure sadism that can be seen in boys, non-human mammals, and in adults, most especially in Black adults, especially African Blacks (US Blacks have had a lot of it enculturated out of them, but you still see it a lot).
Sure, all the other races display this raw sadism too, especially in times of war, but you see it most prominently in Blacks to the point where some feel it is an essential aspect of the Black Character, Personality, or perhaps, I would argue, Black Principle (if Black is a Principle like Masculine and Feminine are Principles).
This is extremely prominent in Black children, especially boys, and they are much more sadistic than White boys (Yes, I know all boys are sadists). It gets slowly enculturated out of Black boys as they grow up as with most of us males, but you still see it a lot in the ghetto types in young adult men and even women sometimes, where the basic Black Personality is at its rawest and least enculturated.
This is a raw delight in torture, torment, inflicting pain, violence, and even death on a suffering and tormented Other. It includes the love of observing a victim’s suffering.
Of course, you also see this same sadism in young White men (college boys in particular can be terribly cruel), but it’s just not as prominent as in Blacks.
Also, White culture profoundly dislikes displays of childish sadism in White adults. As an man, you’re supposed to have grown out that boyhood crap or had it beaten out of you if you were particularly diabolical.
In some ways, this sadism can be fun. I recall a Black man I knew named Michael. He hung out with this other Black artist, William, who was very introverted and odd. He couldn’t get laid with God’s help. His name was Charles and he had a university degree in art.
The cool guy’s name was Michael and he was a White-acting Black artist with a university degree in art. I was over at a mutual friend’s house and our friend commented that William had a date.
William was a very shy guy with low-self esteem and a hurt and somewhat confused expression on his face. I believe also had a strange high-pitched voice. He was extremely weird but completely harmless, and once you figured out how harmless he was, you mostly just wanted to laugh at him because he was such a nerd that he was a laughingstock, a comical figure.
He also couldn’t get laid with God’s help, even though he was quite straight. I’d never known him to have a girlfriend or even a date. At age 29, he was not only undoubtedly a virgin, but he’d probably never even been kissed.
I was absolutely dumbfounded.
“What?!” I nearly shouted across the room. “No way does William have a date! No way! That’s not even possible! Tell me you’re joking!”
This was a pretty mean thing for me to say, but I can be a dick. The Black guy, Micheal, roared with laughter so hard he nearly rolled on the floor for ten minutes. As you can see, he was laughing his ass off at the cruelty of my comment.
So Blacks can be a lot of fun if you want to get down with some mean, no-holds-barred humor. A lot of humor is cruel – face it – but Whites’ distaste for sadism limits their potential for humor a lot. We see this especially in the dour, party-pooper, no-fun SJW crowd, where every other joke is an evil bigoted crime that someone needs to get fired over.
In many ways, Idi Amin was the ultimate primal Black man. He displayed most of the raw material of the Black personality to an exaggerated degree. Not all of it is bad. He was wildly extroverted, always smiling and happy, had a nearly inborn sense of humor to the point of being a natural humorist, loved to party and have fun, and had a tremendous love of promiscuous sex. Idi Amin was a good time! As long as you were on his good side, that is.
And then there was his bad side, also in spades.
Whites and most other races probably used to be like this too, but centuries of civilization may have bred it out of us culturally and genetically. We can surely see a lot of examples of horrific sadism in Whites and Asians only centuries ago. One argument is that for a thousand years of civilization, most White criminals were quickly killed, often by public hanging. The idea is that this bred a lot of the criminal genes out of us.
Blacks from Africa, never having good through this process of weeding out criminal genes by execution, didn’t experience such a cleansing. On the other hand, perhaps White and Asian cultures have also accelerated so much in civilizational terms that this behavior is enculturated out of us.
That this love of sadism and cruelty appears so normally and freely in boys of all races suggests that it’s still part of the raw human personality. Although the dramatic morally superiority of US Blacks as opposed to African Blacks suggests that 300 years of exposure to White Christian civilization has had a calming, civilizing, and perhaps eugenically intelligence-increasing effect on US Blacks, which argues for the effects a more advanced civilizing culture can have on a population of a less civilized race.
The Second Type of Sadism – The Dominant Lording It Over Their Brutalized Inferior Victims
I’ve thought about this a lot, and there is another sort of sadism, that of the dominant inflicting their sadistic lordly violence against those they see as inferior.
Look at the delighted faces of those German policemen tormenting Jews in the street. You can say it’s revenge, but isn’t it more than that?
Look very closely at the faces of those Whites at those lynchings – boys, girls, men, women. There’s that same look as you saw in those Nazis above: the wicked gleeful look of the dominant bully inflicting torture and/or death at a contemptuously hated inferior. This poor Black sod’s hanging from a tree with his neck broken in a sickening way, and these Whites who look like your nice White relatives at Thanksgiving are having the Goddamned party of their lives.
What was all that habit of calling Black men boys and Black women girls about?
Why were Black children forced to apologize to White children they bumped into by addressing the White children as Mr. or Mrs. as if the White kids were adults and the Black child was still a child?
Why were the schoolbooks given to Black schools the refuse of the White schools – ripped, torn up, wrecked, and coming with a sticker on them saying that they were too destroyed to be of use to White kids, so they were only worthwhile for Black kids?
What was up with the torching of the Black business district in Tulsa?
Why were Black men lynched and murdered for the crime of standing up to White men and fighting back against them, even if the Whites were trying to kill them? In this case, the message was that of the bully: We will attack you in any way we choose, and if you dare to fight back and hurt one of us, you will die.
Why did White children torment their Black “friends” by forcing them, like slaves, to carry the White kids’ books to and from school for them?
Why did White boys manipulate and laugh behind the backs at their Black male friends and encourage them to commit crimes, so if anyone was caught, the Black would take the blame?
Why were Blacks waited on last in stores, and, even after waiting an hour, passed over again if a White person walked in?
Why did Whites whose land had been sold to Blacks long ago return to their land 50 years later and demand that Blacks hand over the sold land to its original owners, or else?
Why did even White women tell Black men who talked back to them, “I could have you hung from a tree just like that.”? See Of Mice and Men – and this was California in the 30s!
This is all nothing but raw, naked cruelty, and furthermore, there’s a brutal logic behind it: the societal enforcement of White dominance and superiority over Black submission and inferiority. That’s all it is. No need to conjure up fancy theories. Back to Occam’s again.
They did all of this abject and unnecessary cruel stuff because otherwise Blacks would commit a lot of crime? Get out. If anything, such treatments are designed to push people to their limits. Look at how Gypsies are (deservedly) treated in Europe? Does it stop them from committing crimes?
No, all of these punishments were done to enforce the sort of gleeful domination you see on the faces of the schoolyard bullies in 8th grade as they torment their designated victims.
And no, adults are not too mature to regress to childish games of sadistic dominance. I’ve seen so many cases of adults the world over delighting in the sadistic dominance of a hated inferior Other to believe otherwise.
They’re not doing it to stop crime. They’re doing it to get off. To get a rush. To get that glorious sadistic delight in tormenting an innocent victim you remember from boyhood. Remember how fun that was? Remember how tall it made you feel?
Well, those adults are doing the exact same shit for the exact same reasons.
Claudius: I think their explicit intent was just a moral justification for their practical solution. That’s how politics works. The name or expressed mission bears no realty to the actual motivation or outcome which in this case was, keep non-wealthy Whites separate from lowly blacks.
This is literally what they said. Claudius’ explanation doesn’t follow. He says that Whites have a hard time being so evil, yet evil was pretty trivial to come by for White folks 150 years ago. They had a very different moral compass than we had. Also Claudius claims that the real reason was understandable and reasonable – stopping Black crime. But the stated reason was diabolical – to keep the niggers down.
For God’s sake, if I am going to do something halfway reasonable, why on Earth do I lie and say I am going to do something wicked instead. It’s the other way around. Humans do monstrous things while couching them in terms of at least reasonableness. A favorite among genocidal aggressors is “We were just fighting back.” But of course every bully on Earth is always fighting back even if the victim has never lifted a finger against him.
In fact, the freed Blacks were so poor and unemployment was so bad that they were besieging their former masters’ plantations pleading for work doing something, anything.
Claudius: I suspect many smart Blacks fled the south and went North leaving behind a slightly dumber freed Black population for regular Whites to contend with. And interesting snippet corroborating this hypothesis:
Your facts are not wrong, Alpha, but I think the general common wisdom about what was in Whites’ hearts when they did this is dead wrong. I’ve known too many American Whites to believe they could be so stupidly cruel. Only Cultural Leftists are so cruel en masse. When conservative Whites do “bad” shit en masse, it’s usually for a good reason.
Yes, but Whites in the South used to be just that – stupidly cruel. And they really got off on it too. Look at the party atmosphere at those lynchings, the sadistic grins on the faces of men, women, and children alike. Humans get off on being evil if you only let them. The trick is just don’t allow it in the first place! Our demon child personalities of childhood never left us. They just went underground and can come out quite easily. Mine’s locked in a maximum security prison in my gut, and the Hell he’s getting out, but a lot of people are not so cautious or guilty-minded.
Alpha responds to Claudius’ theory: The architects of Jim Crow were explicit about why they were instituting it. It was all about maintaining what they considered the God-given superiority of Whites and keeping Black people “in their place.” They particularly didn’t like the fact that Black people in the South were rising to positions of authority during Reconstruction.
The thing is that Alpha is probably right. We sit here at our vantage point in time looking out over the Hellscape of Black crime, especially violent crime, and assume that the architects of Jim Crow were trying to stop just this very thing by constructing their apartheid system. But they probably weren’t. We are trying to transport 22nd Century minds, methods, and motivations into the heads of Whites of the 1950’s to a century before. They say hindsight is 20-20 but in other ways, it’s often not accurate at all.
By the time that Jim Crow was instituted, the freed Blacks were mostly too terrified and terrorized by a century and a half of slavery to be much of a problem. The crime rate was pretty low back then. Also people, both Whites and Blacks, were very religious, and this tends to make people act pretty good.
Black people don’t automatically act bad, you know.
Yes, some bad things happened after the Civil War. Some freed slaves murdered their former masters and other White men. There may have been a few rapes of White women here and there. But overall, there was not much of this going on.
But the few cases that occurred literally struck terror into the hearts of the Whites. This was their worst nightmare – the Blacks returning to exact revenge on them for the crime of slavery. There has been quite a few slave rebellions in the US over a century and a half, and they tended to be bloody affairs. The Blacks spared no White – women, children, and old men were all fair game and were often killed in horrific ways. Beheading was common.
Also the Blacks put into positions of power were completely incompetent, not the least because they typically had zero education. So you had Black mayors, school boards, police, the whole nine yards, and they were so incompetent it would be laughable if it were not so tragic. It was downright stupid to throw out all the Whites and put a bunch of incompetent Blacks in charge.
The purpose of this was to punish the South. Look what happens when you punish losing parties in a war. The losing party Germany was punished after World War 1 and look what happened. It didn’t take much of this nonsense before the KKK was riding at night. The sun had scarcely set on the Civil War before the first nightriders appeared a mere three years later in 1868.
I’m not sure lynching was done to stop Black crime either. There wasn’t that much of it in the first place. The Black man during Jim Crow was a beaten-down soul. You still see many obsequious Blacks like this in the Deep South, especially in places like Mississippi. They act almost ridiculously friendly and helpful. Black hotel workers are typical in this regard. A terrorized man is a well-behaved man.
I suggested to my mother that lynching was done to stop Black crime, but she said the Whites were just doing it to terrorize Blacks and assert their dominance over them. Humans really get off on blatantly lording it over others if you haven’t noticed, even to the point of humiliation and rubbing it in. I think my Mom was right.
Doug: Jason, the compassion comes after we see facts clearly. I’ve mentioned countless times that we need vocation schools at the high school level to train those kids that are not college-bound in some kind of useful profession.
The Left will never allow it because those schools would be about 1/2 Brown/Black and 1/2 White kids…in other words, too much for them to admit. Instead we keep denying the obvious. Teacher’s unions, a pillar of the Left, would also not allow it either. They literally don’t want any choice for kids–from charter schools to vocational schools.
Another rich example of compassion would be to admit that Johnson’s $21 trillion “War on Poverty” has not only failed but it’s INCREASED poverty amongst Black persons. At least 30% of this $21 Trillion, or $7 trillion was spent on the Black population in a very real attempt at “reparations.” It was also the beginning of “free stuff” for Blacks to keep them voting for Democrats.
There’s TANF, Section 8 housing, Food stamps, Medicaid, AFDC, Head Start, hiring quotas, set-asides, and sharply lowered standards in police and fire departments and colleges and grad schools. “Free money” student loans that will never be repaid. We have free breakfasts for Black children and even free lunches.
Taken together, US Blacks live in a state of “custodial care” by Whites because they can’t take care of themselves.
Nothing has worked. Nothing ever will. This money is paid to the most unworthy people in the world by the most worthy people in the world. Until people take responsibility for themselves, families, and communities, nothing will ever work.
All this because our society cannot admit that Black intelligence is too low, they have a bad attitude, and have too little logic. Black criminality is far too high to support any higher level of civilization.
But what’s worse is that all this money and it’s perverse incentives (to break up marriages) has worsened Black life in America since 1964 and we can’t admit that either!
Since the start of the War on Poverty, black kids are not doing better in school, housing projects built for ghetto blacks are all slums (a complete lack of personal responsibility), drugs, gun violence, incarcerations, STD infections, and abortions remain at epidemic levels. Black high school completion rates are about the same as ever, ie., <50%.
Black culture is actually much worse now. Black culture is in virtual collapse with 72% of Black babies born without a father in the house. Compare this to only 25% when the “war on poverty” was started. I can’t think of a single more devastating statistic to describe a cultural collapse than the 72% figure indicating that the institution of marriage has collapsed. Single parent families are nearly all in a state of poverty. That’s where we are after 56 years of “reparations.”
“Reparations” has help cause a complete and utter Black cultural collapse.
The result of the cultural collapse is evident from appalling crime statistics, 70% of new AIDS cases being Black, gonorrhea infection rates 13-18 times the White average, and black men committing 56% of homicides even though they are 6.5% of the population. Blacks commit crime at 6-7 times the rate of Whites (higher in urban areas) and are incarcerated in that same proportion. Now we have “flash mob robberies” and “knockout assaults” that are overwhelmingly Black crimes.
You can throw all the money in the world at social programs, but laziness, addiction, bad attitudes and decisions, low intelligence, little impulse control, and high levels of violence, they will override any and all social programs. Of course the Left never wants to hear about personal responsibility when they are the most irresponsible. They want to blame our economic system and take more and more of your tax dollars and piss that money away on programs that aren’t working.
Black kids will never be hired when they often can’t speak or dress right and have no self-respect, no discipline and no education. This is the problem today, and it was the problem yesterday and 50 years ago. No amount of money or bureaucracy can fix this. Why don’t we admit that we’ve failed?
Instead, you get 100% denial, 100% of the time, and a punch in the face. A little humility would go a long way with me.
First, the parts where I agree with you.
hiring quotas, set-asides, sharply lowered standards in police and fire departments. Sharply lowered standards for college and grad school admissions. “Free money” student loans that will never be repaid. We have free breakfasts for black children and even free lunches.
There aren’t any hiring quotas or set-asides. They’re mostly illegal. I know Affirmative Action is banned for the federal government. I also know it is banned here in California, the most liberal state in the country. Some private businesses and corporations have their own goals or whatever, but no one is forcing them, and all evidence indicates that this has not caused a lot of problems for US businesses. If it did they would stop doing it.
Standards have not been lowered for much of anything, although they are still being lowered for Blacks and Browns to get into elite universities. Standards have been lowered for the Bar Exam in California, but that applies to everyone. Most tests to get a police or fireman job are still pretty hard.
But I absolutely oppose all mandated affirmative action by the state and and all lowering of standards on testing to let more non-Whites in. I’ve had to take tests all my life. Had to take an SAT test. Had to take tests to graduate college with a BA. Had to take tests to get into grad school. Had to take more tests to get into education grad school. Then I had to take more tests to get a teaching job. Then I went back to grad school. I had take tests to even get through the program. Then I had to take a truly murderous test to get my Master’s Degree.
I don’t think people realize how significant those tests are. I had to pass them. If I didn’t pass them, I flunked. I wasn’t admitted to the program. I didn’t get the degree. There was no coddling, no, oh Bob is disadvanted and part of some dumb race of people so we have to lower standards for him. Hell no. I don’t pass and I’m gone. It’s do or die. Pass or fail. And I passed, without anybody lowering one damned standard to let me through. If I had to go through all that crap, the rest of you have to go through the exact same thing. I never got a break or a lower barrier to jump over.
Why the Hell should you? Because you’re dumb? Bad answer. Because you’re part of a dumb race of humans? Bad answer. You’re not all dumb. I see smart Blacks, Black attorneys, physicians, Blacks doing every high level job Whites do, every time I turn on my TV. In my recent courtroom adventures, I saw four Black attorneys, two male and two female. They graduated law school. And they passed the damn bar. If they can do it, maybe you can do it. If you don’t do it, don’t cop out and blame racism. Go into some field where you can do well. It’s not that hard.
I’ve mentioned countless times that we need vocation schools at the high school level to train those kids that are not college-bound toward some kind of useful profession.
The Left will never allow it because those schools would be about 1/2 brown/ black and 1/2 white kids…in other words, too much for them to admit.
I definitely agree with you here, but I have no solution to this whatsoever.
Teacher’s unions, a pillar of the Left, would also not allow it either. They literally don’t want any choice for kids–from charter schools to vocational schools.
Charter schools don’t work. That’s now conclusively proven. The idea is that with charter schools, we get rid of the teacher’s unions, and then the kids will perform so much better. In other words, somehow teacher’s unions cause kids to fail in school!
It didn’t work because getting rid of teachers’ unions and presumably cutting their pay and benefits doesn’t make teachers work harder (Shocking!), and getting rid of teachers’ unions doesn’t make students perform better (Duh!). Teachers’ unions could care less about vocational classes. I taught school for many years. I met many vocational teachers. No one cares about them and their classes. Nobody wants to get rid of them.
Since the start of the war on poverty, black kids are not doing better in school…
A lot of falsehoods here. Black achievement has skyrocketed since the War on Poverty. Blacks have closed 1/3 of the achievement gap. Black Computer Science students saw their scores improve every year through the 2010’s. Black IQ’s skyrocketed since the War on Poverty. Their IQ’s are now 16.5 points higher than they were in 1965. Incredible!
Now we have “flash mob robberies” and “knockout assaults” that are overwhelmingly black crimes.
Anti-White flash mobs and the knockout game are not going on much anymore that I know of. That seems to have been a few years ago.
There are two groups of Blacks. One is ghetto culture, maybe 1/2 of Blacks. Obviously this culture is failed in all sorts of ways, but I can’t see any way to improve things. Surely cutting off all their money and making them vastly poorer won’t help a thing.
The other group is middle class Blacks, which may be up to 50%. This group, well in evidence on this site, doesn’t act a whole lot different from White people. And this group exploded since 1965. Before there was the Talented Tenth. Now 50% of Blacks function at a decent enough level. The number of Blacks who function at a pretty good level has risen by 5X or 400% since 1965.
Black culture is actually much worse now. Black culture is in virtual collapse, with 72% of black babies born without a father in the house. Compare this to only 25% when the “War on Poverty” was started. I can’t think of a single more devastating statistic to describe a cultural collapse than the 72% figure; indicating that the institution of marriage has collapsed. Single parent families are nearly all in a state of poverty. That’s where we are after 56 years of “reparations.”
Why did the single parenthood rate skyrocket? Because this is how Black people act in a free society. You want them to act better? Ok, put them in chains again like under Jim Crow. That’s literally how you do it. The single parenthood rate supposedly rocketed up due to “welfare,” but Blacks already had welfare since 1935. The Great Society didn’t increase welfare payments one nickel.
There were food stamps, Section 8, and Medicaid in the Great Society. So Black parenthood collapsed because now Black mothers could afford enough food to eat, to rent an apartment and to go to the doctor? Well, that’s just terrible! How dare they get all those things necessary for them to survive!
Black crime has collapsed. Sex crimes are 63% down from even the early 90’s. Everyone else’s crime rates have collapsed too. Crime in general and violent crime in particular were far higher among Blacks in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s to my knowledge. If anyone has better data, let’s see it.
Section 8 housing
Section 8 rentals are not slums. They’re tearing down the housing projects. Now Section 8 is just a voucher that you take around to any renter who will take it. In this complex, a certain number of apartments are Section 8. I don’t know which they are or who rents them, but there are not many Blacks in this complex (thank God). It’s mostly Hispanics, a very few Whites, and yes, there are a few Blacks here and there and they’re at least a bit Ghetto too.
This is a beautiful complex, looks brand new, very well kept up. And there are Section 8 people here. The landlord does not tolerate any crap from anyone, and any tenants who act bad are quickly tossed.
The result of the cultural collapse is evident from appalling crime statistics, the fact that 70% of new AIDS cases are Black, gonorrhea infection rates are 13-18 times the white average,
AIDS cases are mostly Black? Well, those are mostly Black gay men I assume. Please tell me how the War on Poverty made Black gay men catch way more AIDS than non-Black men. By letting them survive? So if you let Black homosexuals survive, then they turn suicidal, go get fucked up the ass by a hundred guys, and get AIDS. Right? Just checking on your logic here.
STD rates are high among Blacks everywhere on Earth. A lot of Black people screw anything that moves, and they probably don’t take many precautions to keep from getting an STD. They also don’t go to the doctor like they ought to. This behavior is typical amongst the Ghetto Blacks. I’m not sure middle class Blacks are sexually any different from the rest of we White sluts and manwhores.
STD rates are extremely high in the Caribbean. They’re off the charts in Africa, where no Black gets a dime of social spending.
Fine. Take all the money away from social programs for Blacks and yell at them to take responsibility for themselves. Like millions of Bill Cosby’s like me haven’t been yelling at Black people every day for years to get their shit together? Is it working? I don’t think so. So your project to pull all that evil survival money away from Blacks so they have no money, no food, no place to live, and no way to go to the doctor.
And this will make them act better.
And then you will holler at them, “We took all your free money away, now you’re on your own, and you have to get your shit together!” And Black people are suddenly going to act way better and get their shit together.
This is the Republican fantasy about Blacks, and it’s about as insane as the Left’s fantasies about Blacks seen via Critical Race Theory.
The Great Society was never intended to turn Black people into White people. All it was intended to do was to allow people of all races to survive at a basic subsistence level. Do you know what it is like to live on one of those programs? Or even be to poor enough to qualify for them. You never have any money. Life blows, every day, forever. You are living in a world of shit in a sense. Why the most pathetic people on Earth are the subject of all this vitriol is something I will never understand.
Head Start is preschool. That’s all it is. It’s preschool for poor people. I know a guy who drove a bus in Eastern Pennsylvania. Part of his route was taking the kids to and from Head Start. 100% of the kids he was transporting were White. Although a conservative, he was dead set against getting rid of Head Start. What’s wrong with giving poor people preschool? You got a problem with that? Or you got a problem with niggers getting preschool? Preschool is only for Whites. Niggers just don’t deserve it. Well, I don’t agree.
Also, if Head Start doesn’t work (false), then preschool doesn’t work. Then why on Earth are all these White parents so insistent on preschool for their kids? Are they are all stupid? What about all the studies showing how preschool benefits kids? They’re bad science? If preschool doesn’t work, a lot of Whites are wasting their money.
And it’s not true that Head Start doesn’t work. The intention was never to turn Black people into Norwegians and Japanese. That’s not going to happen (though my co-blogger is about as deferential and polite as a Japanese woman). You can’t turn Blacks into Whites, not with our present tools. The only thing we can do is try to turn Black people into the best versions of themselves that we can.
Let’s try another one. Head Start works great for White people, but it doesn’t work for niggers for “whatever X reasons.” Why doesn’t it work for them? And they are different species? Are they all born with an anti-preschool gene? Come on. What works for Whites works for Blacks too because Blacks are humans.What works for one group of humans works for another group of humans.
Head start works. Not only that but it’s cost effective. Blacks who go through Head Start are less likely to drop out of high school, be incarcerated, go on welfare, or have an IQ below 70 (so it even lifts IQ’s at the low end). It seems like what Head Start does is lift up the group of Blacks that fall on the tail end intellectually and behaviorally. It lifts up the bottom. And as I said, it even pays for itself.
Welfare (TANF) pays $300/month. You trying to tell me that women actually don’t keep men around because it’s so easy to live on $300/month? You’re crazy. Tell you what. You Republicans say it’s easy to live on $300/month. Cool. So you do it. Live on $300/month for a while and then get back to us and let us know how it went, ok?
A lot of White people use all these programs. The lie is that this is White people’s tax money going to a bunch of no-good niggers and beaners. However, lots of Whites are on all of these programs. 39% of the women on straight up welfare are White! I live in a poor city, and there are many Whites around here who use Medicaid and food stamps. I see them all the time. It’s sort of normal around here to be on Medicaid or food stamps, and there’s no shame at all in doing so. No one is going to look at you like you’re a derelict leech for doing so. There are too many people doing it, so it became normalized.
The biggest lie of all is that the War on Poverty failed. I’m sure people on food stamps are eating a lot better than they were. I am sure that people on Medicaid are getting more and better medical care than they were. I am sure that people on Section 8 are happy to be able to rent a place rather than being homeless. I am sure that women’s little kids on WIC are eating a lot better than they would.
None of these programs were intended to solve any basic problem with Black people or with any race of people. We weren’t throwing money at any problem. The programs were intended to give some very poor people a basic, very low, no-fun level of existence so they could survive.
There were some problems that got solved.
Food stamps was because a lot of people didn’t have enough money for food. Now they do. Problem solved.
Section 8 was for people too poor to even rent an apartment. Now they have a roof over their heads. Problem solved.
Welfare (which was started in 1935, not by the Great Society but anyway) was based on the idea that all children must be supported. By taking welfare away you are saying that kids have no right to be supported and they should just die if their mother is poor. It’s not about the mother at all. It’s all about the kids. Problem solved, basically.
Welfare didn’t cause single parenthood. We’ve had welfare since 1935 and there were no problems. It’s not some new thing that the Great Society started.
Medicaid was for people who could not afford to go to the doctor at all. Now they can. Problem solved.
WIC was initiated because a lot of women were so poor that their kids were not eating right. So it enabled them to buy food to feed their little kids. Problem solved.
All you people who object to WIC, I’ve got a question for you. You got a problem with little kids getting enough food to eat?
Not one nickel has been thrown at the education system to try to lift up Blacks and turn them into White people. All schools get the same amount of federal dollars. They are funded by local property taxes. If any money was spent it was simply to support schools in Black and Brown areas at a level similar to that of White areas , in other words, to provide Blacks and Browns with a basic low level education. What’s wrong with that?
“Welfare” hasn’t caused any of those problems you described. Let’s look at welfare, now TANF. We got rid of it. Yay! That was cool, man! Why didn’t I think of that! The idea was just like above, take the free money away from those damned niggers and yell at them that now they’re on their own and they have to get their shit together or else. That’ll show em! That’ll make em get their shit together!
Guess what? It didn’t work. At all.
It didn’t improve any social pathology factors, not even one. There were no societal benefits at all. The only thing that happened was that those women (and their kids!) got even more poor. A lot of them went homeless along with their kids. It was a huge failure.
Tell you what. Let’s try an experiment! Let’s look at places like the Caribbean and Africa where there are none of these evil social programs at all. There’s nothing, no social programs, zero. No money, you don’t eat, and then you die.
Ok, Blacks should be free of pathology right? Nope! They act way worse! The fewer social programs they get, the worse they act.
Let’s look at Blacks in Brazil. Few social programs. They act far worse than they do here.
Let’s look at Blacks in Europe. Especially those from Africa act at least as bad as our Blacks and probably even worse.
Fact: Black people have these pathologies you describe everywhere they exist on this planet.
Now why that is is up for grabs. Maybe it’s genes, maybe it’s environment, maybe it’s something in the air. I don’t know. That’s for the social scientists, if there are any honest ones left, to untangle. Not my job.
I figure these social programs are sort of “buy off” programs to buy off Black people who would ordinarily act pretty bad. The more we support them at basic levels, the less poor they are, and they happier they are. If you take away these programs, they would probably act far, far worse and they might even riot so much that they wreck the country. We are buying them off, giving them money with the caveat that they need to act better now, and it seems to work.
I think the Panthers are still around, but they are not very active. I actually don’t mind them. They did a lot of really cool things like free breakfasts and lunches for school children. They have been superseded by the New Black Panther Party, an explicitly racist organization that actively promotes hatred of Whites. The real Panthers recently criticized the NBP for hating Whites, saying that the original Panthers were never about hating Whites; instead they just wanted equal rights for Blacks.
The rightwing recently has published some articles suggesting that the Panthers hated Whites. To my recollection, they did not. They helped the Weathermen break Tim Leary out of prison, and they visited him in Algeria, where some of them (Kwame Ture nee Eldridge Cleaver of Soul on Ice fame) had also taken refuge. A lot of radical Whites worked hand in hand with the Panthers.
The Panthers were Marxists (actually Maoists) of that particular er, which would coincide with the Cultural Revolution period in China. Think of how culturally conservatives the Chinese Communist Party was at this time. That’s what the Panthers were like.
They were strongly against degeneracy of any type as most Communist parties (CP’s) were at that time. Some Panthers were openly homophobic, saying homosexuality was a bourgeois vice, a popular view among CP’s of that time (See the Cuban leadership’s position on this subject in the 1960’s). They certainly didn’t promote Black crime, drug use, or even irresponsible behavior.
I will say that Farrakhan’s (whom I very much dislike) people are huge on social responsibility too, and I appreciate them for that. They are very much into clean living and non-degeneracy, and they despise Black crime.
I came out of the cultural revolutions of the 1960’s, which is why probably why some people are shocked at how leftwing I am. They’re blown away when they figure that out about me. “Wow, I didn’t realize he was so leftwing!” Well, I am. I’m race realist though and hate the Cultural Left. I’m a “conservative socialist.”
Hell, I was on the mailing list for the Weatherman at one point not even long ago! Well, their above ground organization that is (the Prairie Fire Organizing Committee), which frankly has strong links to this BLM movement right now. So, yes, the present Weathermen (now given up arms as a peaceful organization) are very much behind BLM.
My friends were drug dealers who hung out with Tim Leary and the Brotherhood of Eternal Love in Laguna Canyon in Laguna Beach where the BEL made and distributed millions of tabs of Orange Sunshine LSD.I remember my friends telling me about going to parties in the canyon and how they had lookouts high up in the eucalyptus trees to watch out for cops. I did go to a party in the Canyon once, a real hippie party with real hippie chicks and lots of pot smoking. Love was definitely in the air.
I have supported Latin American guerrilla groups. I actually gave to the “weapons fund” for the Salvadoran guerrillas for some time. So I’m actually a real dyed in the wool terrorist supporter or even financier if you will, although I stopped giving them money long ago.
If I did that now, I would be violating the Patriot Act by giving Material Support for Terrorism (Whatever the Hell that means!), and I could be looking at 10 years. But alas, those were different times. Even the 80’s were far more laid back, relaxed, and anti-authoritarian compared to now when we seem to be on some weird authoritarian trip due to fears over “terrorism” which is about nonexistent in the US.
Anyway, this was a time of peace, love, dope and all that. Everyone was very much into nonviolence to the point of near-passivity. Any aggressive behavior was “uncool.” Every hippie man was your brother, and every hippie woman was your sister. There was magic in the air. And Yoko brought her walrus, don’t forget that.
Plus there was lots of “free love.” I still have fond memories of hippie chicks. I will say it was a lot more loving and friendly than things are nowadays with all this weirdness, antisociality, fear of strangers and single men, “pedophile” hysteria, #metoo insanity, and general fear or even terror of men – and this at a time when major crimes like rape have crashed 63% since 1993.
Sometimes I think the lower the crime rate goes, the more paranoid people get about crime. Don’t ask me to figure it out. I have no idea why humans do whatever irrational thing du jour they happen to be doing.
Bottom line is that humans are basically irrational and illogical at their core and we tend to be driven around all through life by our emotional needs and beliefs, which often seem to be pulling us through life blindly on a leash like a dog ownder, not even why we do or feel certain things.
I can’t tell you how many of my female clients have asked me, “Why do I feel this way?” The answer was not readily apparent. Obviously it’s happening for a reason, probably an unconscious one. Then they ask me, “How do I stop feeling this way (getting dragged through life with their emotions like a dog an a leash)?” It’s hard to answer questions like that. The solutions are there no doubt, but they are more tangled up in the forbidding jungle of the psyche than we want to admit.
The only answer I would have to taht question would be to develop some “emotional literacy,” to try to develop and cultivate at least some emotional control. My emotions don’t drag me through life blindly, baffled at why I am doing or feeling this or that. I
t’s more the opposite. Whereas with many people, including most women for sure, their emotions are dragging through them through their lives blindly, with me it’s the other way around. I have my emotions on a leash and I drag them around. I’d rather drag my emotions through life in my own leash than the other way around. Control gets a bad rap, but a lot of forms of it
Anyway, the Panthers were just Black hippies. They hung out with the White hippies. Black hippies were “brothers,” or “soul brothers,” if you will. There were some problems with them of course (they are Blacks after all), but most of them were quite well-behaved or at least much better behaved than they are now. I suspect the demand for nonviolence in the hippie movement weeded out the bad ones. There may have been some self-selection going on.
Bottom line is I really disagree that the Panthers were White-haters. It’s BS.
First of all, all three of these men were absolutely antifa, but antifa is not a group. Instead it’s an idea. It’s like saying they were all Communists or anarchists. Are you going to make an organization called “Communism” or “anarchism” illegal? See how dumb it is to try to make antifa illegal? Antifa’s not an organization, and you can’t ban an idea. At least not yet. Don’t worry though, the SJW’s are working on it!
First, 37 (not 38 as everyone says) year old Joseph M. Rosenbaum, later Joseph Don Rosenbaum, after a name change. His race is often given as White, but prison records actually list it as Wigger.
I learned quite a bit about this fellow in doing in depth research into this charming fellow yesterday afternoon.
Born in Texas. At some point moves to Pima County, Arizona, where his father appears to be an attorney.
At age 16, he appears to have married in Arizona. He seems to have divorced afterwards, but there’s no record of it.
Around age 18, he enrolls at Pima County Community College, but his time there is short.
At age 18 in 1992, he is sentenced to 12 years in prison on what looks like two counts for Sexual Contact with a Minor, 10 years for one count and 2 years for the other count. I have revised my view of this crime, and I now think he raped a 15-17 year old girl with either force or drugs.
He ends up suing the state for prison conditions a couple of times, once because his toilet overflows. The toilets are terrible in those places, I must say. I think they are designed to overflow.
He gets out in 2014, now aged 30. But he hasn’t learned much as the first thing he does after he gets out is get arrested for absconding on parole. He’s sentenced in 2016 and apparently serves one year for this offense. He seems to act better this time in prison. I did find some documents on this case, but nothing much of interest.
I think for all of these cases, someone would need to go to Pima County Superior Court and do a record search.
He moves to Wisconsin at some point, and he ends up being the father of a two year old child. The girlfriend and child live in Waco, Texas, Rosenbaum’s hometown. When he moves to Wisconsin, he has to register on the Sex Offender Registry, but he’s listed as non-compliant.
He has a conviction for Carrying a Firearm while Intoxicated. He also has a record for the minor crimes of Disobeying an Officer and Disturbing the Peace (Excessive Noise). He was affiliated with an antifa grouping called People’s Revolution. A member of this group has been accused of shooting at a police officer in Wawatosa, Wisconsin. He’s generally considered to be White. We tried to find information to see whether his race was White or Wigger, but we were unable to find any. Please comment with any updates on Grosskreutz’ race.
I find this quite shocking that so many of these White rioters have criminal records. It’s almost like antifa are a bunch of criminals!