Dating sites are full of these scammers in the last few years.
A friend of mine almost got nailed for this. Admittedly, hers was a little different.
She out and out told him that she was 17, two weeks shy of her 18th birthday. AOC in California is 18. Well, to a lot of men, “two weeks shy of my 18th birthday” means you’re 18 years old. I don’t care that he did this. In fact, I worry if I would have enough self-control not to.
However, several years ago, a miracle happened, Jesus came back down to Earth briefly and dropped an 18 year old girl in my lap to be my girlfriend. Then he flew back to Wherever.
Truth is she was 17, two weeks shy of her 18th birthday when we started dating or hanging out. We held hands, put our arms around each other, hugged a bit, and kissed pecks on the lips, but that was it. We figured that was legal, but I was really scared to take it any farther at all. But she kept bugging me to take it further and it was really hard to say no. She ended up falling head over heels on love with me, wanted to marry me, have my kids, the whole nine yards, then three months in, she dumps me. Anyway, dating’s not illegal. Anybody can date anyone. It’s having sex that might be illegal
They figure, “Fuck it, she’s basically 18.” I have no idea how the pigs would treat it nowadays. I assume the FBI pigs would probably put you on the Sex Crimes most wanted list for doing it with a girl two weeks shy of her 18th birthday. That’s how deranged the pigs and the system are nowadays, all thanks for feminists.
I grew up in the 1970’s, and no one gave two shits about jailbait teenage girls. They were known as “dangerous” because they’re horny as Hell, don’t have a lot of experience, often think boys their age are immature, and not a few of them love men. Not boys, men. College age men dating high school girls was an absolutely normal back then, but at some point, you might want to knock it off.
They let you get away with it for a few years, but as the man got older, they started cracking down. I remember a case of a divorced 53 year old man who had with a number of 15 year old high school girls in trade for pot and coke. Of course the little sluts knew exactly what they were doing. Most of them love to fuck and they were freely screwing this guy for dope of their own free will. No girl ever got harmed by this nonsense, which is consensual anyway.
Well, he got caught, and even though people were notoriously laissez-faire about this stuff back then. I don’t even recognize this planet anymore in regard to this issue as it seems like I’m living among pod people who are barely even and probably not human. That’s how different things are from 40 years ago. Anyway, this guy got three years in prison. Nowadays he’d probably get beat up as a “chomo,” but back then, prisoners were sane, and he’d probably be the hero of the prison for being an old dog and banging all those hottie JB’s. Yep, even prison convicts have gone insane. Back then, you were marked if you went after little girl children, but no inmate cared about jailbaits.
The interesting thing is that everyone in my family, including me, thought the guy deserved it. Three years seemed about right. There wasn’t really anything wrong with what he did, but we thought the age gap was too extreme. 18-23 year old guy and 15 year old girl, no one really cared. 30 year old guy and 15 year old guy would raise eyebrows, as it was very uncommon, but no one cared about that either. But 53 and 15? Not just one 15 year old girl, but several? Hey, wait a minute. There was something unseemly, disturbing, not quite right, etc. about it. Society has a right to any sort of reasonable morals it wants, and even back then, a lot of people thought 53 and multiple 15 year old girls went over the line.
See, back then, people were sane, not like nowadays when everyone’s a shithead. They believed in degrees and sliding scales and continua and extenuating factors and the spirit of the law, not the letter. Now everyone’s a black and white dipshit twitching with mass hysteria and wild-eyed with moral panic.
Here’s the write-up of the scam I found on the web. It matches what my friend went through.
1. You are on some kind of adult dating or chat site — either heterosexual or gay– where a person says they are over 18, and either sends you (or lures you into sending them) sexy pictures.
2. Then they say that they are actually 16, or 14, or some other age under 18.
3. Next, the “father”, the “mother” or a “detective” calls or texts you and demands money to keep them from filing charges. Often, the money is supposed to replace a “smashed phone”, “computer”, or something else… even a car that the “minor wrecked while going to meet up with you”. Sometimes they “send the minor to a juvenile military boot camp”.
4 The tip-off is that they want payment by Western Union, MoneyGram, iStore credit, Paypal.Me, Snapcash, Zelle, CashApp, money order, or gift cards BUT NOT by cash or checks. 5. Don’t buy gift cards and give them the numbers. Don’t Zelle or CashApp money. There is no minor child, no father, no mother, no detective, no wrecked car, no damaged garage door, and no ruined computer.
6. You are not alone. Questions about this scam come up several times a week here on AVVO.
7. Just to be clear: THIS IS A SCAM. THIS SCAM HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. THERE IS NO FATHER, NO GIRL, NO FBI, NO DETECTIVE, NO COUNSELING, NO THERAPY, and NO EARLY TERMINATION FEES ON THE PHONE, and the “girl” does not have a hospital bill from “her” suicide attempt.
8. The best thing to do is block their numbers and ignore them. You can report them to the police for fraud and extortion, but without an ID that is a dead end. They use “burner” phones and spoof caller ID to make you think that it is the police number.
9. If you want to fool around with them, offer to send a check, or offer to meet them somewhere with cash. They WILL NOT give you their name or address, and will not meet with you. Green Dot cards & MoneyPak, Western Union, Target and Walmart gift cards, Cash App or Zelle, Bitcoin ATM machines, eBay, Google Play, iTunes, and Amazon prepaid/reloadable cards and the like are all ANONYMOUS ways to receive money, and the scammers will not identify themselves or they would risk being arrested for EXTORTION.
The problem is that we are in such a crazy moral panic and mass hysteria over this subject right now that anyone who simply recites the good, hard, solid science behind this matter, as discovered in many good laboratory studies, will get accused of being a pedophile. Because the science, according to the modern craziness, is “pro-pedophile.”
This is nonsense. Science isn’t pro anything or anti anything. If it is, it’s not science, it’s politics. Which is what a lot of what passes for science nowadays, especially in the pathetic social sciences (which aren’t even sciences) right now, especially when it’s driven by SJWism, Identity Politics, and Critical Race Theory, three viciously anti-science plagues menacing our society.
I’ve done a lot of research on this subject because it interests me. Now the morons, which is 95% of humans, think that makes you guilty right there. If you study it, you do it. If you talk or write about it, you do it. Your average idiot actually believes that. Of course it’s true in some cases, but pro-pedophile types are pretty easy to spot. I’ve seen quite a few of their webpages. They’re not very shy about it.
I’m also interested in a million things, including a lot of sick and fucked up things I would never think of doing. I do seem to have some sort of attraction to sick and fucked up stuff. I don’t do these things, but for some reason, I am fascinated by them. How about if I write next time about the coprophiles, or shiteaters? What do you all think? Good subject for a post? No? Too bad, I’ll write about them anyway!
Anyway the figures are absolutely shocking:
3% of men are pure pedophiles, having more attraction to girls age 2-10 than to mature females. That’s absolutely bizarre. That’s 3.3 million American men right there. Now, as long as these guys don’t touch any kids, I don’t care what their sexual orientation is. We are not into the era of thought crimes, but we are headed that way. This is why I appear to be defending these people sometimes.
If they are not offending, I have beef with them, and any man with an orientation like this can’t help it anyway. It appears to be a developmental disorder like homosexuality, transsexualism and so many other things.
The debate about this has gotten so heated. People want to execute every “pedophile” in the US or at least lock them up for life. I’m not willing to execute 3.3 million American men and I’m not willing to lock them all up for life either. I don’t have any solutions to this mess, but those are not the way to go.
Beyond that, 18% of men are more attracted to females under age 15 (some say under 13) than to mature females. Most everyone would call these men pedophiles, but in the literature they are calling them hebephiles (maximal attraction to 11-14 year old girls, though the attraction does go up to age 15 in the hebephiles I have seen). That figure is truly shocking to me!
Most of these men probably have strong drives towards mature women, so they can substitute a prosocial drive for an antisocial one. But the way most Americans see it, 21% of all US men are pedophiles!I’m not about to condemn 20% of my brothers. I love my fellow men too much. I’m not about to jump on board this Misandry Train and condemn tens of millions of men to the gallows or life imprisonment. It’s bizarre.
26% of all men are as attracted or more attracted to girls under 15 than they are to mature females. Of the 26%, 3% of them or 10% of the total, are literal pedophiles. The rest are hebephiles or at least most people would see them that way. The vast majority of these men probably have strong attraction to mature females too, hence they can put aside their urges for young girls and focus on mature teenagers (16-17) and women (18+), hence they are not particularly dangerous.
That is absolutely shocking! How could 1/4 of all men have such a strong orientation to girls under 15, even preferring them to mature females? It boggles the mind.
Now almost everyone you tell this to will raise a fit, start screaming and yelling, and will quickly accuse you of being a pedophile yourself.
Beyond that, how on Earth has such a strong attraction or even preference for girls under 15 compared to mature females even evolve in our species (because it must be evolved).
The commenter here attempts to answer that question in terms of evolutionary biology. He is responding to this post:
bluestar: Well, the truth is that a certain amount of pedophilic attraction is normal for men and makes biological sense. Because what matters is the amount of offspring a female can give a man over the long-term, men have evolved to prefer young, nulliparous females that have all their fertile years ahead of them.
In primitive societies it’s common for men to pursue little girls for marriage. It makes more biological sense for men to chase after 8 yo girls who have all their fertile years ahead of them than 30 yr olds who have used up half of their fertility.
We see a similar thing in Hamadryas baboons. When the males come up to maturity they become interested in the juvenile females and want to take them into their harems. They often kidnap them from neighbouring communities.
Men in hunter-gatherer societies do the same thing. This practice is often called “woman theft” which makes it sound like the men are kidnapping 25 yr olds, but they’re usually much younger than that. Chagnon saw men in the Yanomamo tribe in Venezuela often kidnap “unripe” girls from neighbouring villages. Native American tribes would often kidnap little girls from other tribes. A famous case of this is Cynthia Parker, who was kidnapped at about age 10 and lived with the Comanche tribe for over 20 years, having 3 kids with the chief.
Hamadryas baboons are very interesting as the modern human mating may have evolved something like the generalized polygyny system they use.
The whole topic of pedophilia is so taboo that evolutionary psychologists won’t touch it. It just has to be completely evolutionarily maladaptive and abnormal!
16+ is another way of saying mature females because females have a full sexually mature female body by that age.
Before that age from 13-15, the female body is developing and changing from a girl’s body into a woman’s body, and in certain ways, it is not fully sexually mature.
The curves that men like so much in a woman’s body, mostly a consequence of enlarged hips, buttocks, and breasts, develop over this period.
13-14 year old girls often have stick-like straight bodies similar to a boy’s body. For this reason, a lot of men find them not fully attractive. That stick-like body is a killer at least for me and some men I know.
A 15 year old girl is just odd. Frequently their bodies simply appear out of sorts as if they are not developing properly. Their bodies often look “awkward.” Of course, this is around the age that teenagers are often “awkward” anyway, and if you approach one of these “awkward”-looking 15 year old girls and try to talk to her, she will often give you a response that is rather “awkward.” I was on Kik a while ago, and a 15 year old girl messaged me apparently wanting to talk dirty. I talked to her for just a tiny bit with no serious dirty talking before I blocked her out of fear.
Nowadays they will put you in jail for the crime of “talking dirty” to a girl that age, which is a ridiculous crime in my opinion. Anyone can say anything to anybody within reason. The whole idea of crimes called “illegal talking” is perverse and bizarre. However, the way she approached me in a flirtatious manner was also rather awkward. She didn’t even know how to talk dirty in the few sentences we exchanged.
13 year old girls still have what my friends call “those little girl faces,” and they and I both regard it as a turnoff. My Mom said it’s probably “baby fat” that is present in the faces of all little girls. The baby fat probably starts to go away around age 14.
If you look at a grown woman, her face is rather bony. It is not bony in a bad way, but it is quite hardened. The most beautiful women have prominently bony faces with “sharp” and well-defined features. Noses and upper cheekbones are some of the important bones in woman’s face in terms of beauty. In fatter women, these bony features tend to be covered up with fat, which can make fatter women less attractive, though I admit there are some fat and even very fat women who have absolutely gorgeous faces.
During this period, the breasts often grow larger, and there are also changes in their appearance that are hard for me to quantify, but I will only say if you have seen enough of them, there appears to be something “wrong” with the breasts of 13-16 year old girls, and I don’t mean in just size. It is something about their general appearance and also I believe the appearance of the areola. But I’m not an expert on breasts, so I’m guessing here.
Pubic hair growth is complete by age 14 in the female, but it does grow a bit more to areas that are normally shaved nowadays to the inner things, the perineum, the area around the anus, and even in some cases above the public mons towards the navel in a long thin line.
These are called “happy trails” and back in the day (the 1960’s and 1970’s) you saw them occasionally. I remember one of the female lifeguards at the pool we went to used to have one which she sported in proud and showing manner. My eyes always drifted right to it as a teenage boy, and she always smiled at that. Nowadays it would be regarded by most younger men are horrible and disgusting. Nowadays they’d probably ban a teenage boy from a pool for even looking at a young lifeguard’s happy trail.
The vagina and anus probably grow between 13-16 in size and shape as does the rest of the body. As female height is complete by about age 16 (there is another inch or two of growth that may occur at age 17), the organs of the body should all also be fully developed by 16. In Yemen, they often marry girls at age 13 to grown men. I was not aware that sex with between men and girls that age was dangerous, but there are reports that some of these girls die with complications from having sex with these men, possibly because hard sex with a large male penis is too much for a 13 year old girl’s vagina to cope with. But don’t quote me on that.
Also, 13-15 year old girls have anuses that are smaller than that of a grown woman. In my lifetime (though it has been 20 years since my last such conversation) I have talked to girls around that age about anal sex. Some of said that they did it, but they only liked smaller or “thinner” penises. I’ve never heard a grown woman say such a thing, so this implies that in girls this age, the anus is smaller than adult size.
Of course it becomes increasingly more difficult for girls to get pregnant as we descend from 15 down to 13 years old. Females are not fully fertile until age 16. This implies once again that females are fully developed at that age, not only in organ size and height but in other ways too.
Females do grow a bit after 16-17. Around ages ~18-19, females hips widen quite a bit. This is done in order to be more able to carry a baby. Girls under 18 have hips that are not really wide enough to carry a baby, hence there are many more birth complications with girls that age, with consequences for both the girl and the baby.
This is why girls around age ~16-17 have bodies that seem to be the perfect female body, which in nature barely exists. They have the fully rounded body of a female with full female breasts, but their hips have not widened yet. So you end up with skinny girls who are very curvy. It’s a male dream. However, this dream woman is an aberration, and she is not even very physically or genetically fit. What you are seeing is a woman who is not yet developed enough to carry a baby, so it is not natural or normal for a female to be this way.
The ideal female for males is an abnormal female such as barely exists in any full-grown woman. The truth is that curves and big breasts go with heavier women. Thinner women tend to have smaller breasts and less curved bodies. Some almost have the stick-like figures of boys or 13-14 year old girls.
You love big tits but you hate fatties. You’re out of luck, pal. You love thin women but you hate small tits. Sorry guy, your model’s been out of order forever.
You got one or the other. You want big tits? Fine, accept a little fattiness. You want thin bodies. No problem, but smaller breasts come with that model.
The male ideal, a thin but curved woman with big breasts, is basically a nonexistent creature, though some 16-17 year old girls look this way, but that body is abnormal and will function poorly in some ways.
21% of all men are more attracted to girls under 13 than they are to mature females!
I realize that figure is shocking, but bear with me. It’s been born out by study after study. The studies compared male reactions to females under 13 with reactions to females 16+.
Whenever anything is that common, there is probably a genetic tendency for it. Also, age preference in males cannot be corrected by any experimental means. Things that cannot be corrected in the lab are usually thought to be hardwired and biologically based.
So why are 20% (!) of all men basically preferential pedophiles?
It appears that there is a genetic preference for pubertal age girls that has been encoded in males and is present in a sizeable minority of them. The reasons for this are up for grabs, but among the Yanonamo Indians of Venezuela, men usually grab a wife at age 12 and often fight other men for girls that age. Sex may not take place for a few years later, but at least they nab them very young.
Perhaps there was a preference to select pubertal girls and sequester them away from other men for a bit until they became fully fertile at age 16, at which time she would be locked into that man and all of her children would be his.
Historically, early life was indeed short, nasty, and brutish, and perhaps primitive life still is. By age 40, every Yanonamo man has committed at least one homicide of another man. If you’re a pacifist you simply don’t make it to age 40. You die young, killed by other men. Kill or be killed. The law of the jungle.
It’s not pathological for a man of any age to have sex with a teenage girl of any age. That’s clear from the debates around DSM-5 Hebephilia which wished to pathologize men who have a preference for girls under 15 over mature females. The criteria would probably have been been severe and persistent fantasies of pubertal girls, so that would rule out most men. However, fully 21% of all men are more attracted to girls under 13 than they are to mature females!
I realize that figure is shocking, but bear with me. It’s been born out by study after study.
I did some research on the local Yokuts Indians from a site in the 1600’s-1700’s. They had a series of skeletons of young women who had all died. They were between ages of 27-35. The assumption was that this was a woman’s lifespan among this primitive tribe. She was dead by age 31! If a woman is going to be dead by age 31, she’d best start having kids at age 16 or maybe even younger. If she starts breeding at age 16, her children will be 15 when she dies. Starting at 15, her kids would be 16 when she died. Starting at 14, her kids would be 17 when she died.
In Mexico, they marry their women and start breeding them at age 14, and it is usually an adult man who marries her. In most primitive tribes, there is a coming of age ceremony around age 15. Even today among most primitive tribes, girls and boys are both considered full adults at age 15. According to modern, advanced American thinking, 100% of the people in primitive tribes today are child molesters and pedophiles! See how stupid that sounds? 95% of the American population actually thinks like this.
You might think it’s terrible for a teen’s mother to die when the teen is 15-17 years old, but back then, that was just normal. The kids would not be left adrift anyway as by that age, they were all no longer boys and girls but full-fledged men and women.
Furthermore, sad events that are normalized in your society may not be very traumatizing. Much of the trauma occurs because people are told that something horrible has happened to them. Before they get told that, they were often not sure of how to process the event. If instead we told that that what happened was wrong or bad but it was no big deal and they would get over it, you would see the trauma rates collapse.
Tell someone they’ve been traumatized and guess how they act? They act traumatized! In our society, we’ve decided that 50% of life is traumatizing, especially with the snowflakes and their safe spaces and microaggressions. No wonder so much young people seem so nuts these days. We’ve been yelling at them that they’re being traumatized all the time all through childhood and teen years and it doesn’t even get better when they grow up. So they act, duh. Traumatized! Of course once you have a Traumatizing Society, you need to set up a huge Trauma Industry dedicated to making mountains out of molehills and ensuring that grown adults remain pussified babies long into adulthood.
The modern notion that people are all little tiny children until the day they hate 18 is insane. It’s backed up by notions that the brain is not fully matured by 17. Well, it’s not fully matured by age 24-26 either, so let’s put the age of consent for sex and the majority at age 25! After all, you’re only an adult when your brain is mature, right?
Truth is that people mature at different ages. In early times in the West, children were considered “little adults” and were often treated as such. It’s not known if they matured earlier then but maybe they did. Treat someone like a kid, they act like a kid. Treat someone like an adult, they act like an adult.
Although this sounds very groovy and compassionate to our postmodern, late capitalist, metrosexual, 3rd Wave feminist ears, the truth is that for 200,000 years of our evolution, no human gave two shits that the brain didn’t fully mature until age 25, although they probably had some notion of the idea. They simply didn’t feel it was worth thinking about because frankly it isn’t.Our present culture infantalizes teenagers and young adults to an extreme degree. Infantalizing humans doesn’t seem to be a good idea to me, but maybe “modern people” have other ideas. After all, treat someone like a baby and they act like one, right?
Further, most primitive tribes allow both boys and girls to start having sex at puberty, around age 13. The girls often have sex with boys, but sometimes they have sex with men. For instance, the typical marriage among the Blackfoot Indians was between a man aged 35 and a 15 year old girl. Our “modern, scientific, compassionate” society would state unequivocally that all Blackfoot men were pedophiles or child molesters for the thousands of years that the tribe was in existence.
Isn’t that a stupid way to think? Look how stupid we are! We’re surrounded by all these damned gadgets, we are so technologically advanced that we’re about to become literal aliens, we can cure or help most diseases, we understand most of the most important questions, including the biggies or we’re on our way to figuring them out. Unified Theory, here we come!
But some goddamned primitive Indian with a digging stick and a rock to grind acorns in who doesn’t know the first thing about technology, science, or medicine has more wisdom we “advanced” clowns do. For Chrissake, we may be advancing technologically, but we’re going backwards in terms of wisdom. How pathetic is it that Silicon Valley ultra-technologists have less wisdom that some primitive tribe eking out an existence in the jungle? Are we too civilized for our own damn good? It’s possible to get so “civilized,” protective, pampering, and fussy that you’re not even rational anymore. That my modern colleagues have less wisdom than some spearchucker in the jungle is a pretty sad statement!
From age 13-15, most girls are not very fertile, so it’s hard to get pregnant.
The debate around Hebephilia ended up concluding that even having a strong preference for pubertal children as sex partners was not mentally disordered. Further, it wasn’t even abnormal! Having been in chatrooms full of these guys, I’m not so sure about that, but it’s best to keep as much sex crap out of the DSM as we can.
It was even decided that having sex with 13-15 year old girls if one had a preference for them was not mentally disordered either because most crimes are not mental disorders and most criminals aren’t nuts. Instead, the argument was that these men weren’t nuts – instead they were just criminals, with being criminal and being nuts as two different things!
Of course most crooks aren’t nuts. They’re just bad. Are there disorders called Murder Disorder, Mugging Disorder, Fraudster Disorder, Batterer Disorder, Attempted Murder Disorder, Burglar Disorder, Robber Disorder, Forger Disorder, etc.? Well, of course not.
In mental health all we care about is if something is nuts or not. Hence we don’t care much about criminal behavior because most crooks aren’t nuts. We leave that to the judicial system to deal with and moral philosophers to decide what to allow and forbid. If people are disordered, we say they are abnormal. If people are not disordered, we say they are normal.Obviously a lot of real bad people are not disordered. So we are forced to call a lot of criminal behavior and most criminals normal because neither one is generally crazy. So a lot of very bad behavior and people are “normal” in the sense that they’re not nuts.
So a man of any age having sex with a teenage girl of any age does not make him sexually abnormal, as it’s completely “normal” behavior, as in, it’s not nuts, and even, looking at human history and other cultures, in most places and times, it was more or less normal.
But normal behavior doesn’t necessarily mean ok behavior. It just means that the behavior is not crazy.
The statutory rape matter is a moral and legal problem, not a psychological one.
We in mental health do not like to pathologize crimes and morally unethical behavior as psychological disorder. This is outside of what we care about and off into the lands of moral philosophers, religious thinkers, and legal theorists. It is in the area of right and wrong, good and bad, and good and evil. Most criminal behavior is not driven by psychological disorder. It’s driven by a defective moral conscience.
So whether it should be legal for a man of whatever age to have sex with a teenage girl or whatever age is a moral matter, a moral question. Perhaps you feel it is the worst behavior on Earth. Perhaps you think it’s completely ok and should be legal. Probably you are somewhere between those views. All of those views about this behavior are valid, as everyone and hence society itself is entitled to reasonable moral values of right and wrong.
Why was there an attempt to shove Hebephilia into the DMSO category in the first place. Because it was a game. A game called “Call Em Crazy, Lock Em up as Dangerous Forever, and Throw Away the Key.” Otherwise known as preventive detention. Or putting people in prison for life for the crime of “dangerousness.”
The game here is make a lot of the sexual behavior we dislike into “mental illnesses.” Because the only way we can lock someone up forever on the bullshit charge of “dangerousness” (there’s no such crime) is if they’re nuts. Yep. You can be dangerous as Hell, and as long as you’re not officially crazy and you’re just a mean SOB, it’s all kosher.
Obviously most sex offenders are not the slightest bit nuts, so a scam was made up to call them crazy so we could lock them up forever in preventive detention (which is probably illegal) for the rest of their lives because we think maybe they might sort of kind of a little bit possibly theoretically plausibly do something, we don’t know what, to someone, we don’t who, somewhere, we don’t know where, somehow, we don’t know how.
That’s unconstitutional on its face.
The only people you can lock up like are the dangerously mentally ill, and you are supposed to release them when they get better, except we never do because no matter how much better they get, we always say they’re not better enough. So we wanted to lock all these poor sops away forever, but we couldn’t because they weren’t nuts, they were just bad people, you know, like most criminals? So a scam was created to make up a bunch of “mental disorders” out of what are mostly just kinks and sexual perversions, when it’s doubtful whether any kinky or perverted people are actually nuts.
Generally they’re not nuts. They’re just perverts. Perverts aren’t nuts. They’re perverted. Two different things.
So they made up a fake mental disorder called Pedophilia to lock up all the child molesters forever, although most men in preventive detention are nonpedophilic molesters. Also they never let them out even when they get better because no matter how much better they get, the cops still say they’re not better enough yet. When will they be better enough? When they’re dead! It’s right out of Kafka. They just sit and rot forever. All because, you know, think of the children! And the usual pearl clutching we Americans so excel at.
So we decided all the chomos and short eyes had a “mental disease” called “Pedophilia” that made them “insane” or if you prefer “crazy.” Well, it doesn’t make you insane and it doesn’t even make you crazy. It might make you do bad things, but it doesn’t make you nuts. And since we decided on no rational basis whatsoever that all of these people were permanently dangerous, we have locked them all away forever on the basis that they are “dangerously mentally ill.” It’s all a big joke.
Dangerously mentally ill is supposed to be for the paranoid schizophrenic who grabs a gun and climbs a tower. It’s not for run of the mill criminals. Merely being dangerous as opposed to being nuts and dangerous is not granted the penalty of preventive detention because it’s decided that as long as you’re not nuts, you have at least some ability to control your dangerous behavior because obviously if you’re nuts, you lose that ability.
How about all the other paraphilias? Why don’t we decide they’re all dangerously mentally ill too? There’s nothing preventing it. The peeping toms? The flashers? The fetishists? The masochists? The sexual sadists? The first two are low level criminals so no one cares, the third are harmless except to women’s panties, shoes, and pocketbooks, the fourth only hurt themselves so no one cares, but the fourth? The sexual sadists? One might make the case that some convicted sexual sadists are dangerously mentally ill, but they never go down on this stuff. Only the Chesters. Because, you know, everyone hates Touchers. Think of the children!
One might think that as Antisocial Personality Disorder is in the DSM, a lot of these guys could go down on dangerously mentally ill, but there’s a serious argument whether any personality disordered person is mentally ill per se as opposed to be what I would call sick, character disordered, twisted, etc. Axis 2 people are what I call “soul-sick.” They’re permanently disordered, but the issue is at the core of their selves so they’re not really mentally ill. Instead, they are “sick.”
But nope, no PD’s go down on dangerously mentally ill. We save that for the sex criminals! Because, you know, the sex criminals are really so much worse than your ordinary variety criminals who burgle, rob, thieve, defraud, beat, maim, mug, shoot, stab, torture, and kill people because as long as they’re not fucking anyone while they’re doing it, it’s never quite so bad, you see? Because Puritanism. Obviously it’s so much worse to do bad things when you are fucking someone as opposed to just, you know, doing bad things when you don’t happen to be fucking anyone. Because whether you’re fucking someone or not when you commit your crime makes such a difference!
There has been a very devious attempt lately to sneak another mentally disordered sex offender (MDSO) into the mix.
But first notice that they singled out the sex criminals for permanent preventive detention as opposed to, you know, your garden variety maniacs. But why? Why do only sex criminals deserve preventive detention as opposed to regular murderers, muggers, and robbers? Because moral panic. That’s why.
They went after the rapists. Because of course everyone hates rapists. Except we live in a rape culture that says it’s ok to rape and encourages all men to go rape all they want. But at the same time everyone hates rapists. Makes sense, huh? They tried to sneak in a Rape Paraphilic Disorder in order to round up all the rapists just like they rounded up all the Chesters.
Problem? The vast majority of rapists do not have any sort of a paraphilia about rape. They do it for all sorts of reasons. Some like to hurt people (sadistic rapists), some are angry at or hate women (anger rapists) and two different types do it for different power trips – the Power Reassurance Rapist and another that slips my mind. One of these types is the “gentleman rapist” who actually feels bad about raping you! So there are different kinds, and almost all rapists won’t kill you, except the Sadists (5%) are very dangerous, and the Anger Rapists (30%?) may well hurt you but generally won’t kill you unless you fight them, in which case they might.
But men who have a specific paraphilia about rape? That is, they get aroused more by the idea of raping women than by anything else, possibly to the point that unless they rape or pretend to rape, it just doesn’t move the meter? It’s either very uncommon or nonexistent, depending on who you listen to. But of course, once they sneak in Rape Paraphilic Disorder, they’re going to label allthe rapists mentally ill with this fake illness, and lock them all away as MDSO’s! Neat trick, huh? Thankfully the DSM-5 committees stopped that one coming and dodged the bullet.
DSM-5 Hebephilia was shot down on similar grounds, that this was an attempt to round up men who committed statutory rape with young teens (13-15 year old girls) and missed the deadline for going down on Child Molestation (usually under 13). So this way we get to lock up countless men who bang hot to trot little jailbaits forever as dangerously mentally ill.
As you can see, in Matt Gaetz’ case, the whole case is completely fake. The guy literally did nothing wrong. Furthermore, he lacked mens rea, or a guilty mind, so he’s innocent on that basis alone.
He committed the crime of buying a teen whore, except she lied about her age, and told everyone she was 19 when she was really 17. Actually it looks more like 17 1/2 now that I’m looking into it. By the way, she’s still whoring away. Once a whore always a whore. As soon as Gaetz and friends found out, they got furious at her and ended all contact.
Buying a Whore Means You are a “Sex Trafficker”
At 17, in most states she would be legal, but even there, if you pay her, you just committed “sex trafficking.” Yeah, if you buy a whore, you’re a “sex trafficker.” What a bunch of crap. Because the state, in the midst of an idiot moral panic, decided that all teenage prostitution is “sex trafficking.”
Not just the pimps. Indeed, one can make an argument that most pimps are sex traffickers.
Sex trafficking was supposed to mean women who were sex slaves and forced to prostitute themselves and were not able to escape. This is literally the case with most pimps, though most whores are quite willing to whore themselves out. But most pimps won’t let them leave.
So anytime you see an hysterical headline about “sex trafficking,” it just means whores and pimps, which is like, most whores. Whores have had pimps forever. So there’s nothing new going on here, just the same old same old.
But now all teen prostitutes are supposedly being “sex trafficked” too because that’s how they wrote the stupid law in 2012. Even if they’re doing it on their own, which I assume many are. In that case, apparently they are trafficking themselves! See how none of this shit makes sense?
And now if you’re unlucky enough to buy the services some teen whore is freely offering you, instead of just buying a teen whore, you’re a “sex trafficker”! Yep buying whores is “sex trafficking”! Isn’t that stupid? I would say if you want to make a crime out of it, calling it “Purchasing an Underage Prostitute.” It shouldn’t be much of a crime really, but at least the law would make sense.
In many US states, you can freely fuck all the 16 and 17 year old girls you want, but as soon as you hand her a dollar bill (or I guess a penny) for her services, you broke the law! You’re now a “sex trafficker.” Isn’t that stupid? And you go on the idiot Sex Offender List as a “sex trafficker.”
Also, don’t take a picture of her. You can have sex with all the girls you want as above, just don’t take pictures of any of them. Because if you do, you “manufactured and possessed child pornography.” You know, when we made the kiddie porn laws, I don’t think this is what we were thinking of. And you go on the Sex Offender List as a child pornographer.
Kids are getting busted all over the country for manufacturing, distributing and possessing child pornography when they do their sexting. I don’t have the solution to teen sexting but this insanity doesn’t seem to be it.
By the way, those lists are getting really stupid. There are now 3 million people, almost all men, on these stupid lists. Anyone feel any safer? Somehow I think when we came up with the idea for these lists we didn’t imagine putting 3 million Goddamned men on the list!
By the way, if you commit statutory rape, you go on the idiot list too.
And most states have Sex Offender laws that make it almost impossible for sex offenders to live anywhere except maybe under a bridge. Which is exactly where most of them end up living. I’m sure that’s going to rehabilitate them real good and I’m sure they won’t be more likely to commit new offenses! The worse you treat these guys, the more the offend. Well, that’s the case with child molesters anyway and even with non-offending pedophiles.
These Sex Offender Lists and laws have gone completely out of control. I don’t know what to do about this either, but this ain’t it.
I really wish the Left would being so gay and faggoty about this stuff and quit calling men pedophiles for doing what comes perfectly naturally to them – fucking teenage girls.
Matt Gaetz is the Left’s latest obsession. Yes, we’re screaming that he’s a pedophile. And the government is going after him on bullshit sex charges.
Here’s what it’s all about. The allegation is that Gaetz paid for the services of an underage prostitute. He supposedly paid her for sex and her paid her to travel across state lines. Hold on a second. Suppose I have a perfectly legal 16 year old girlfriend. I buy her an airline ticket and now I’m “sex trafficking” her. The law says that if you reimburse her for sex in any way, it’s “sex trafficking.” So I buy my 16 year old girlfriend a hamburger and now I’m “sex trafficking” her. This shit’s getting stupid.
Anyway, once you dig into it, there’s nothing there. Yes, Gaetz and Greenberg, his proucurer, did pay for the services of this more than willing teen whore. But they didn’t know she was 17! She lied and told them she was 19, and I think she even had a fake ID saying so! Anyway she got uncovered by one of Greenberg’s friends, and Greenberg called her in and read her the riot act about how her lying could get a lot of men in trouble. At that point, both Greenberg and Gaetz cut off all contact with the girl. As any reasonable man would do, right?
So this is the charge. This little teen whore lied about her age, told men she was 19 when she was really 17, and guys paid her for sex. As soon as they found out she was underage, they get very angry with her and ended all contact with her.
This is what the fucking Feds (they’re just pigs too – in fact, they’re the worst pigs of them all) are going after Gaetz for. Fake bullshit or what? Even the case against Greenberg looks pretty flimsy.
Long, 53 pages. Deals with gruesome matters concerning the brutal sex murders of four female minors – two little girls aged 8 and 10 and two young teenage girls aged 13 and 14. If you can’t handle such material, don’t read.
The first sections deal with somewhat extraneous material that you may or may not find interesting. If you want to get to the real meat of the post, scroll down to Clearing up Some Recent Attacks on These Theories.
In the past, I estimated that 95% of what I said here in the past has been shown to be false over time, particularly when followed over years. I’m not sure if it’s that high. One problem was we went down the rabbit hole chasing the wrong guy for a couple of years. Turned out he was just some troll who wanted people to think he committed these murders instead of being the person who actually did them. Perhaps 80-80% is a better figure following rumors from 2017-present.
Thing is over time your information tends to get better. You learn which rumors have promise and which have not panned out. Also you develop better sources. We now have search party members who saw the actual crime scene, official case document(s) in our very own hands, the testimony of Leigh Kerr, a man who claims to have seen official case documents, the most accurate crime scene photos we have ever seen, and the best LE sources we have ever had. In the first four years of this case, LE only affirmed two rumors from us, one each from each LE source. And then they went away. And those sources were a couple of years ago. But now we have excellent LE sources, the best we’ve ever had.
Bottom line is the quality of our sources has increased dramatically over time. Consequently, the accuracy of our statements should go up a lot too. 80-90% is far too high of an error rate at this time. Our error rate at the moment is probably under 50% and quite possibly even lower.
Qualification of Claims
You will see below where we regard certain things as Proven. That is because we got these statements either directly from LE, official case documents, or same conclusions reached independently by two different sources (for this to be false, both sources would have had to make up the exact same lie). These are the only claims that people can hold us to because with all the rest, we openly admit that the claims are Unverified, so we should not be held to any of those claims.
The category below that is usually called Unverified with Different Qualifications. Keep in mind that we are not claiming that anything listed below as Unverified is true, although some it has a good chance of being true. The only things we regard as true are listed under Proven.
Unverified but Likely. In these cases, we have 4-5 separate sources, usually vaguely referred to as inside sources, testifying to the truth of something. Because of the number of people saying this rumor is true, it goes into the likely category.
Unverified with Some Likelihood of Being True is a common qualification. Most of Leigh Kerr’s and the search party member’s testimony has gone into this bracket because unfortunately, while we think they are right, we cannot regard their testimony as probative.
Unverified. Some claims are simply listed as unverified. These are simply unverified rumors.
Unverified and Probably Not True. This claims are quite dubious and we don’t suggest anyone put any weight into them.
The Utter Uselessness of Almost all Delphi Murders Podcasters and Reddit Groups
None of these illustrious Delphi Murders Youtubers has touched it, probably because they are all narcissists who hate each other and hate anyone stealing their thunder. Remember how all these Youtubers trashed Leigh Kerr? That’s because he was competition. See? These guys are mostly narcissists and they don’t believe in cooperation. It’s all about zero-sum game. One person wins and everyone else loses. Their Youtube recordings are pretty useless, though I like some of these guys.
John Kelly is a class act. Indiana Cold Cases is similar and so is True Crime Jesus. The rest are not bad people but they are showboats, loudmouths, and boasters with egos the size of small planets. Every podcast is all about them! Obviously this is the only type of personality that is capable of podcasting – an egomaniac – on the other hand, their personality pathology limits the usefulness of their shows.
I tune in to their broadcasts and it’s all just these narcissists collecting narcissistic supply, which is being doled out by their worshipful audience. Furthermore, almost nothing of consequence is being said, and it reminds you of a night with your friends drinking, and no one says one thing of importance for hours. The things discussed on the podcasts are unimportant and go on and on forever.
The podcasts are all silly speculation or talk about POI’s who are all basically ruled out as BG by now. There is also endless silly speculation in the comments about BG – “I think BG was a teenager…What if BG escaped on a hand glider?…What if BG is dead?…What if BG escaped to a deserted island where he now renamed himself Lord Jim and is now king of the savages?…What if BG is really a transman and he’s not even a man at all and in fact he’s a woman?…What if BG is Mafia hitman?…Bla bla bla bla.”
I’m sure it’s very interesting to posit your wandering speculation about what if this or that or maybe something or something or possibly why or what, but at the end of the day, it’s mostly just writing words in the air with water vapor to be blown away with the next wind. Idle speculation at its finest. Apparently there is a human need to wonder and guess and posit and whatnot. Otherwise why do we have religions? Why do kids play make-believe?
I guess this need continues into adulthood, but I’m a guy who like a little more meat on my bone.
This case is over. LE has a suspect. If you think they’ve got the wrong guy, keep tossing your POI’s into the mix. If you think someone helped BG, keep throwing out those POI’s you think helped him. But otherwise, let’s just follow the cops, ok? I’m going to follow the guy who is their principal suspect.
Likewise about this crime. We already have the basics of this crime nailed down, some by the police talking directly to us, some by official case documents sitting right in our hands, some by independent conclusions arrived at simultaneously by more than one sleuther, and a whole lot of unconfirmed rumor not yet proven that may well be correct. The scope of this investigation in terms of who the police think did it and how it unfolded has been dramatically narrowed. We have the basic outlines of the crime sketched, and we’ve even filled in a lot of the blanks.
Questions Regarding My Credibility and Professionalism
Answers to questions about my credibility. I am creating a special article about this to link to in order to deal with the constant hate comments in this regard so I don’t have to keep going over this stuff in every update. It also deals with employment and other matters in which I have held important positions of some stature requiring degrees and responsibility. In addition, I have a background in some pretty important unpaid work.
You Will All Be Proven Wrong – You Just Wait and See
I noted around the Net today on all of the big and worthless Reddits about this murder, this article, which is the most important article ever written about the Delphi Murders to date, is being trashed as completely worthless and nothing but a pack of lies.
The truth is that every single one of you are going to be shown to be wrong if and when the facts of this case ever come to light. Many things I am saying in these articles will be shown to be correct. I will be right and you will be wrong, sitting there with egg on your face. None of you will admit that I was right and you were wrong because you’re not decent enough to do that. You will continue to say I am completely discredited and that nothing I say has ever been correct. You will wage wars of personal destruction around the Net to try to stop people from linking to me, going to my website, or discussing my theories, which you will all try to shut down by saying I’m completely discredited.
Keep in mind my enemies have been doing this for 15 years now, and they’ve been wrong and I’ve been right so many times I can’t count them. They’ve never admitted I was right and they were wrong. and every time that was shown to them, they just went right back to saying I was discredited and nothing I had ever said was true. And this will happen once again in this Delphi Murders case just as it happened in the other cases above, assuming the truth ever comes to light.
People Should Listen to Me But They Never Do
Over and over in my life, I end up looking people straight in the eye, wagging my finger at them, and saying, “You should listen to me!” None of them ever do, even though I end up being right most of the time, and they end up being wrong, but they never admit that even when it is shown to them. People should listen to me because I am often correct. No one can figure this out or will admit that it is true.
Finally, after Four Years, Acquisition of Good LE Sources
It turns out that we have acquired a sleuth who is a former detective. He’s bored and has nothing to do, so we recruited him to sleuth for us. He is happy to do so. He has connections with current LE officers in Indiana. We are not sure if we should say where, but they are not in the town of Delphi or in Carroll County. Yes, insane discredited liars like us have former detectives as part of our team.
We sent him off to dig into Mr. X. He went away for a bit and came back a while later with proof from LE that some of the things we have been reporting as rumors here are absolute fact. We do not believe his Indiana LE connection(s) are working on this case that we are aware of. Instead they are LE street officers. But they have learned a number of things via the LE grapevine.
We would like to point out that now that we finally have some very good sources (you can’t do better than LE) and have acquired case documents we have been looking for four years, many more of the things we say in our articles are going to be shown to be true because our sources have gotten so much better, and hence the speculations and rumors will rest on a more solid and factual basis. As time goes by, we get more and more correct on here as we start filling in the blanks of the jigsaw puzzle.
We have worked closely with LE in the past. A few years ago, a Indiana State Police detective contacted us and asked for everything we had on a suspect they were looking into. We went down the rabbit hole about this man for 2-3 years, but we finally decided that while he’s an awful person, he didn’t kill those girls.
In the past, a local sheriff’s deputy in a county near Delphi was one of our most active members, particularly with graphics. He was hiding incognito.
Mr. X Is Innocent Until Proven Guilty
I am not revealing the name of the main suspect here and will only refer to him as Mr. X. I also request all commenters to also refer to him as Mr. X. I do this as a simple measure to try to protect his identity. I do not feel comfortable using his initials or certainly his name. I do not want to see this man or his family harassed in any way. Do not harass or bother this man or his family in any way, shape, or form! No one knows if he did this crime or not. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t.
Yes, this man is the prime suspect at the moment, but that doesn’t mean a whole lot. Twice in the the Evansdale Murders, LE thought they were certain that they had the right man. Twice they were wrong. They have thought they had the right guy several times in the Zodiac case, but all of the suspects fell through.
Mr. X has is not even at the Person of Interest stage in this case. Person of Interest is a much higher standard than unnamed suspect, and he hasn’t even risen to that level yet. No one knows if Mr. X is guilty or not. I happen to think he probably did it, but what do I know?
LE doesn’t have much in the way of good, solid evidence against Mr. X at this time. They have enough suggestive evidence to make them think he did it, but if you look a the nature of their actual evidence, it’s awfully thin. In fact, the rumor – and a longstanding one at that – is that LE simply does not have enough evidence against Mr. X to take the case to court. DA’s require a very high standard of evidence to bring a homicide charge against someone. If the DA does not think he has enough evidence in a homicide case to win in court, they won’t take it to trial. At this point, they don’t even have enough for an arrest.
Say for instance LE arrested Mr. X and charged him with the double homicides of these two girls. If they tried to take it to court, I am almost certain that the judge would throw it out before it even got to the trial stage. The judge would say you don’t even have enough evidence against this man to take this case to court and throw it out of court. That’s very embarrassing.
Furthermore, homicide is the most serious thing you can charge anyone with. The judicial system likes to make sure that they get it right, if only to protect the due process rights of the accused. There are cases like this all over the country.
A famous one is the Lewiston Killer in Lewiston, Idaho in the late 1970’s. He killed at least five people, specializing in young women. The police chief says he is 99% sure that the main suspect, who is named, committed the crimes. He has since moved back to North Carolina, and young women have begun to disappear from the trials there now.
There is a suspected child killer in the Bay Area who is responsible for 5-10 child murders. They don’t have enough on him to take him to trial. A book has been published accusing him of this crime. He is brazen, openly admits to being a pedophile, goes to the victims’ graves and leaves flowers, and visits the victims’ families to offer “solace for their losses.” See the sort of games these guys play? A police chief in a town over there accused the man of committing these crimes, and the man sued the city and won $50,000. This is why you don’t hear LE coming out and openly accusing people of committing serious crimes like homicide unless they are sure they did it and they have enough evidence to take them to trial.
And those are just the suspected serials running around free. There are many cases of homicides or attempted homicides where LE feels that they know who did it but don’t have enough evidence to take them to trial.
If Mr. X Were on Trial for These Murders Today and I Were in the Jury, I Would Vote to Acquit Him
Yes, I think Mr. X did this crime. But my opinion isn’t worth anything. And if Mr. X was being tried today, and I was on the jury, I would certainly vote to acquit. Because it doesn’t matter whether I think he’s guilty or not. The state has to prove it. If I were on the jury, the only thing I would care about was whether the state had proved that Mr. X committed this crime. And with the evidence they currently have, they haven’t proven it. So I would definitely hang the jury and let Mr. X walk, and in all probability, BG would be free to walk the streets again. That’s the price you pay to live in a free society.
Time to Give up on All These POI’s
This is just getting ridiculous. No one has to believe me when I tell them that LE has a suspect who they think committed the Delphi Murders. Maybe he did it, maybe he didn’t. Maybe LE is wrong. They’ve been wrong many times before in cases like this, particularly in sex murders of little children. They often have their eye on one suspect for a long time until it turns out he’s no good. Anyway, I think there are number of suspects that ought to be put to rest.
Ron Logan: Enough already. Give it a rest, dammit! How many times has he been cleared? 242? Maybe we need to clear him a 243rd time then just to make sure! However, we believe that an interesting theory is that BG may have attempted to frame Ron Logan with this crime for obscure reasons. BG was dressed in clothes similar to what Ron wore, and he took the girls to Ron’s land and killed them there.
Mike Patty: Just stop, ok? Stop. He’s innocent. Leave this poor man alone, for God’s sake. Hasn’t’ he suffered enough? No, he didn’t kill his own granddaughter, dammit. Come on, people.
Becky Patty: Obviously they’re not accusing her of the homicides! The accusation is that she “knows something” or “knows way too much” and is covering for someone, presumably the killer. I doubt it. No one’s been hurt by this case more than Becky Patty. It’s as if she took the grief of a whole town under her breast and pledged to suffer for them all, Jesus-like. Not quite sainthood, but getting there. I heard that at the 2019 conference, she burst into tears. Well, of course she did. It’s no surprise. She still hasn’t been able to process this, assuming such a thing can ever be processed. She has channeled her pain into grief and sadness.
Others close to the victims, who I will not name, have channeled their grief into rage and lashing out at everyone around them. It’s an understandable reaction, but they’re still not pleasant to be around. This person is externalizing their pain into rage and projecting it outwards, pretty much at the world. I won’t reveal who I am talking about here though it should be obvious. I will say that Libby’s birth mother has also dealt with her loss by turning rageful. Both of these people were probably ragers before so it’s not like they did a U-turn. Of course, we empathize with their losses, but sympathy wears thin when someone is screaming in your face. Let’s hope they find some peace.
Becky Patty is internalizing her pain and putting it inwards, which is at least more prosocial. Someone like Mike Patty may be dealing with this pain by disassociating as we men do. People think we are stoic but really we are dissociating. The feelings are there. You push them, shove them out at others or disassociate them into the ether or better yet your subconcsious. Everyone’s got their style. Whatever gets you through the night. The last person on Earth to “protect the killer” is poor Becky Patty, God bless her mortal soul.
Derrick German: Libby’s father, meth dealer, convict who served time in prison and supposedly ratted people out to get a lower sentence. He has dealt with his grief with silence and hiding himself away. I don’t know this man very well, but he wasn’t in on this crime.
Kelsi German: Sister of Libby. Kelsi’s DNA was the only DNA found on the bodies. Kelsi has been investigated quite a bit, and she has been interviewed a few times by the FBI, including a couple of times at her school. For whatever reason, she confuses facts all the time and can’t keep her stories straight. I have no idea why she’s doing this, but it’s not because she killer her own sister for God’s sake. Kelsi German has been cleared.
FSG, or DMC: Probably shouldn’t use his real name, but he’s on everybody’s suspect list. He was one of the original witnesses who saw BG and gave a description. Now he says he never saw BG at all. I guess he can’t make up his mind. He’s also thoroughly lawyered up, and he’s not saying a word. I get it. He’s a greedy businessman with dollar signs in fluttering eyes that sound like clanging cash registers every time he blinks. His favorite color is green: like the woods, like the loot. Hey, it’s a capitalist country, right? The theory is that he was in on these murders for mercenary reasons, such as a malign desire to purchase Ron Logan’s land. Sure he’s a greedy businessman, but I doubt if he’s that greedy.
I’ve seen quite a few photos of this guy, no doubt part of the (lousy) good old boy network so much in evidence in this blighted town. Just looking at him, I can’t see him being in on this, but I had the same feeling when I saw a photo of mild-mannered, middle-aged, frumpy, beer-bellied Mr. X, family man and loving father extraordinaire. FSG along with others present at the bridge have been investigated as possible lookouts for BG. Not because there’s any evidence that they were lookouts, but more because everyone in that situation at the time of the murders is being looked at that way. I’d be surprised if he were in on this, but stranger things have happened.
Paul Etter: A 55 year old local man of many interests. One of his many interesting hobbies was abducting and raping young women. But alas, he raped one lass too many, and the law closed in on him holed up in his home, which now resembled Dodge City. He saved society a lot of money by eating a bullet, freeing up some fresh air and making the world the tiniest bit of a better place. He raped women, not young teenage girls. He was the right age, but he doesn’t look like BG. LE has already looked into him quite a bit, and I assume he’s cleared. And one last thing: He’s dead, Jim. Move along.
CM: Not even going to bother to reveal his name. Local professor at Purdue, known for the geocaching theory. Some connection with Libby via geocaching. I was never aware that anyone had anything against this harmless-looking fellow. Lawyered up, not talking. He’s afraid he’s going to be framed with these murders, a not unreasonable fear.
CN: Middle aged man, resident of Delphi. Well, he’s the right age anyway. Never knew what the case was against this man other than that he had property near the bridge and he and his wife’s alibi of being out of town and state traveling got a bit mangled. We all stumble over our words sometimes. He’s a local executive of a government function or perhaps better yet a nonprofit of some sort. Possibly works with kids. I’ve looked this man over and I can’t think of anyone less likely to commit this crime. His wife has taken to social media lately, pleading with people to stop harassing them and insisting he had nothing to do with this crime. Good advice. How bout taking it to heed, everyone?
Garrett Kirts: Local man, all around run of the mill bad person. He killed a woman. I’m not sure why but I doubt it was for a good reason. So he’s a murderer. A murderer of young women at that. But not of young teenage girls. He’s in prison where he belongs. I never knew what evidence anyone had against this guy except, “He kills chicks! So that means he killed these girls because they’re chicks too!” Doesn’t sound like a logical progression of thought to me. Empiricism is a thing, folks. Besides, he’s the wrong age, 27-28. BG is a 50 year old man. Repeat after me: BG is a 50 year old man. Repeat as often as necessary until you get it through your head. Give it a rest, everyone.
Clearing Up Some Recent Attacks on Our Theories
It is being said that we are claiming all sorts of odd things about this crime, what happened, and the crime scene. Actually we are only claiming some of these things are true. The rest we openly admit are unverified rumors. See below for which rumors we believe are proven and which are unverified.
Furthermore, when people say that I, Robert Lindsay, have no sources, no documents, on and on, please keep something in mind. “Robert Lindsay” isn’t just one guy. “Robert Lindsay” is the leader of a sleuthing group that formerly had 200 paid members, including active duty LE personnel from nearby counties. The group has shrunk quite a bit. We now have ~20 people on our team. They all go off and do their own work. They have their own sources. On and on. These people are from all over the country and have expertise in all sorts of different areas. We had therapists, physicians, and cops in our group.
So when you are saying, “No way does Lindsay have inside sources or official documents,” do you think it’s possible that a team of 200 or 20 sleuths all working together could have come up such things? Something to think about.
Specifically, we are getting much of the the following information straight from the cops themselves. Got it? Instead of bashing us, why don’t you ask why the cops are telling us this stuff? Are they deliberately lying to us? If so, why? Are we making up lies about getting information from police when we actually have no contacts with them? Why would we do that? We don’t do that on here and never have. For one, it’s a gross violation of journalistic ethics, and I was trained to be a journalist, among other things.
This Case Is Over – There’s No Need to Speculate about Many Relevant Facts about BG or about What Happened During This Crime
For the moment at least, LE definitely has a prime suspect who they think committed this crime and they now suspect he committed other murders. There is only one correct POI and his name is Mr. X. Why not follow what LE has determined? All of your other POI’s and endless silly speculation are junk. Really none of it is true. There’s no need to speculate anymore. We know that LE has a suspect, so there’s only one person people should be suspecting.
We also now know a number of proven facts about what happened in this crime, including the behavior of Mr. X in relation to the crime and why LE suspects him. The motive is apparently lust murder motivated by sexual sadism combined with psychopathy, the classic formulation almost all serial killers have. The motive was sexual. This was a sex crime, a sex homicide.
We now know a lot of things about the main suspect, including the name, age, height, weight, marital status, possible offspring, address, names of wife and children, and history of his life.
These are the facts about the man LE suspects is BG:
Items known to be carried or worn by BG at the time of crime:
Loaded handgun in right jacket pocket, type unknown.
Members Only jacket, blue.
Old style 501 blue jeans from the 1980s – Dad jeans.
Indiana Packers boots.
Camouflage hunting cap on head.
Go Pro camera on waist.
Deer kit on waist with five hunting knives in it.
White scarf around his face, covering the lower half of his face.
Bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in left pocket.
Known facts about the personal life of the main suspect, Mr. X.:
Residence history: Unknown for first 18 years, possibly Illinois. Delphi, Indiana and several other small towns in Indiana from at least 1984-2021. Resident of Delphi in 1984-85 at minimum.
Important residence periods: Moved to Evansdale, Iowa in 2011-2012 to work at a slaughterhouse aligned with Tyson Foods there. Was present when the Evansdale Murders occurred. Homeless for a period in the 2000’s, where he resided at a homeless shelter.
Education history: Primary and junior high unknown.
Senior high school: First years unknown but graduated from Delphi High School in 1984-85.
Age at time of crime: 49-50 (uncertain).
Present age: 53-54 (uncertain).
Hair color: Dark brown.
Facial hair: Goatee or trimmed beard.
Height: Approximately 5’8.
Weight: Approximately 180.
Sexual age orientation: Pedohebephilia, nonexclusive, AOA 8-14.
Sexual object orientation: Heterosexual.
Residence at time of crime: Delphi, Indiana since 2011. Recently moved to Monticello, possibly due to the heat of being a suspect in the crime. Lists a manufacturing business or factory as place of residence.
Employment history: Unknown prior to 2011. Worked at Tyson Foods slaughterhouse in Logansport, Indiana and sister facility in Waterloo, Iowa in 2011-2012. Afterwards possible owner-operator of trucking business.
Occupation: Possible owner-operator of long-haul trucking business in recent past. Present occupation unknown, but recently raised goats on his property.
Distance of residence from crime scene: Less than 2 miles.
Familiarity with crime location: Extreme. He was friends with Ron Logan on whose property the crime occurred. Frequently hunted deer on Ron’s land. He was clearly very familiar with the area of the crime and perhaps knew it as well as the back of his hand.
Marital status: Married, rocky and tumultuous marriage with breakups where they go live on their own and later get back together.
Children: Two daughters, one aged ~s22, another aged ~30. Ages approximate.
Relationship with younger daughter: Excellent, very close, she is very fond of him.
Relationship with older daughter: Unknown.
Important friendships: Very casual friend of Mike Patty, father of one of the girl victims. Possible Harley buddies (friends who ride Harley-Davidson motorcycles), as Mike is an avid Harley rider. There is a rumor of a falling out between the two men at some time before the crime. What that has to do with anything is not known. Hunting partner of Anthony Greeno, podcaster who has reported on the case avidly.
Hobbies: Raising goats, riding and fixing up Harley-Davidson motorcycles, very avid deer hunter.
Specific Information about the Crime Confirmed to Us by the Police
That said, the following very controversial information about the Delphi Murders was given to us directly by the police.
Numbers 1-4 were told to us by an Indiana detective, but we don’t want to say where he’s located. He didn’t work on the case, but he has a particular interest in crimes against minors, especially violent crimes against minors.
Number 5 was told to us by an Indiana detective who worked in Narcotics based on crime scene photos he had seen. We also heard it from someone very close to a detective who was working on the case who had confided in them.
Number 6, an extremely controversial statement, was told to us by a sheriff in a nearby county.
Both girls were posed. Keep in mind that they did not say how they were posed, if they were posed in a sexual manner, etc.
Dolls were scattered about the crime scene. There were quite a few of them. Our police source told us, “There were so many dolls scattered around that it looked like he had gone to the Goodwill store and bought a bunch of dolls.” This also answers questions about why the cops have been using phrases like “odd,” “peculiar,” “strange,” not your average crime scene,” “many signatures,” etc. It fits right in with all of that.
A bottle of toilet cleaner was found at the crime scene. Presumably it was used to throw bleach over everything, which solves the riddle of why no usable DNA was collected in this case.
The girls were “violated with inanimate objects.”
Sticks, twigs, and branches were jammed into the girls’ vaginas and anuses. Presumably this is what the “violated with inanimate objects” statement above refers to this. Sources:A narcotics detective in Indiana and a close associate of a detective working on the case.
One girl was pregnant, just barely pregnant. This is one very old rumor that started up within a few weeks of the murder. The first person who told me that was a middle aged woman who lived in the area. Just saying that for everyone who accuses me of making this up. This rumor just would not die. It kept popping up over and over, so I had to keep reporting it. We were never sure if it was true or not, so it was always just another unverified rumor.
I didn’t want to bring this rumor up because I’ve caught so much crap for it but I felt I had to because an Indiana LE officer affirmed to us that this rumor was true. If police had not verified this rumor for us, I wouldn’t be bothering with it because it’s brought me nothing but trouble. But when we get information straight from the police, we feel we must report it. This is not a rumor I relish reporting. Trust me.
His exact quote was, “One of the girls was in the early stages of pregnancy.” He did not state which girl it was, and we are not sure ourselves. We have an idea which girl it might be, but until we can get a good source on that, we are not going to upset people even more by naming the girl. We think that if this rumor is true, one of the girls was 6-8 weeks pregnant, when pregnancy is hard to diagnose but can be confirmed on autopsy. Specifically, there will be a thickening of the walls of the uterus that can be determined at this time.
All guardians of the girls seem to think this would be impossible based on these girls having almost no experience with males. Well, they need to disabuse themselves of that notion. Our information is that at least one girl was sexually active, and one of the girls was 13-14 going on 20, if you get the picture. Let’s just say she was growing up awful fast. We will not say which girl or girls is being discussed above.
People are furious with us over this rumor because they say we are sullying these girls’ reputations, thereby disqualifying them for posthumous sainthood. We do not feel that inexperienced 13-14 year old girls have some sort of purity that can be dirtied, nor do we feel that a girl this age sullies her reputation by engaging in PIV sex. People who think like this are prudes and Puritans. We do not feel that it is immoral for 13-14 year old girls to have PIV sex or to get pregnant. It’s stupid for them to get pregnant, but it’s not immoral. ~15% of girls that age, and probably more, are already having PIV sex. Source:A sheriff’s officer in a nearby county.
Specific Information about the Crime Confirmed to Us Via Official Case Document(s) in Our Possession
For more information on these document(s), see the special section below where their nature and provenance is explained. Although we only have photocopy(s) of these document(s), we believe they are genuine. The document(s) list a number of items that LE is looking for in this case.
A pair of binoculars. This lines up nicely with Leigh Kerr’s testimony where he said that BG used binoculars in this crime.
Photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, and film. In other words, LE are convinced that BG filmed or videotaped his crime. The only way they could know this is if the rumors about BG sending photos or video of the crime to one of the girls’ phones after the crime occurred are true. So the rumor that he filmed the crime and sent the film to a victim’s phone is proven. This proves more of Leigh Kerr’s testimony where he said BG sent photos or video to one of the girl’s phones after the crime.
43 seconds of audio. It is interesting that they are looking for precisely 43 seconds of audio. LE must know that BG recorded 43 seconds of audio, presumably of his crime. But how could they possibly know this? Only if he had sent this much audio to one of the girls’ phones after the crime.
A handgun, in order to do ballistics tests on it. This means that they have at least one fired cartridge. BG must have fired his gun at some point in this crime. The rumor that there was a spent cartridge at the scene is therefore confirmed.
Knives. He is wearing a deer kit, which contains five different types of knives.
Clothing soaked in blood, seen and unseen. This blood will probably will not come out with the wash. The document(s) state that the wound to Libby was so brutal that the blood splatter would have been dramatic, drenching the killer’s clothes in blood.
Specific mention is made that the girls were abducted at exactly 2:13 PM.The crime occurred on February 13, or 2/13. As you can see, the numbers are the same. People are saying this is a coincidence, but apparently LE does not believe it is coincidental.
Some Aspects of the Crime Scene Not Verified by LE But Instead Verified by Two People Working Independently and Coming to the Same Conclusion, One Sleuth and One Witness
Those aspects of the crime are the following:
Both girls were posed unclothed below the waist with their legs spread wide in a sexual posing.
There is a knife sticking out of either Libby’s shoulder or the log next to her.
There is some sort of a large object, apparently some sort of toy, at the crime scene that was too large for BG to have had it with him on the bridge. That is the statement from the woman on the search time. While I see a giant plush bear, that’s insane, so I will defer to the search party lady and agree with her statement in the first sentence.
We feel that these rumors are validated because we saw these things in the crime scene photos, and at the same time, a woman who was a member of the search team also reported these same things. Neither of us knew about each other’s research. Instead we arrived at our conclusions independently. What are the odds that we both made up these very specific lies on our own? Almost zero. That’s good enough for us to be probative.
Interpretations of Some Aspects of the Crime Scene Photos Now Proven (Crime Scene Now Proven to Be Actually That)
The crime scene photos have been widely trashed as paraedolia. Nevertheless, two things that we spotted in the crime scene photos have now been completely proven (see the section above), so the fact that these are crime scene photos and part of our interpretation of them is at least partially proven correct.
Rumors That Are Now Confirmed Via Indiana LE
LE Believes Mr. X is BG
Via our detective source in Indiana, LE has a main suspect in the Delphi Murders, Mr. X, and the case is focused on him. All other POI’s are pretty much dropped or cleared. However, it is still not clear that Mr. X did this on his own or if someone helped him. LE would also be interested in anyone who may have helped Mr. X after the crime, perhaps burning evidence or whatever.
It is important to note that you are under no obligation to tell the police anything. I could know that some guy was a serial killer with 10 victims, and I don’t have to go to the police. He could have even confessed to me, but I am still not under obligation to tell the cops. The one thing I cannot do is help him get away with his crimes, that is, be an accessory
Anyway, LE believes that Bridge Guy is Mr. X. They’re not looking at anyone else. They think he did it. End of story.
LE Believes that Bridge Guy (Mr. X) Is a Serial Killer and Was Also Responsible for the Evansdale Murders
Via our detective source, we learned that LE has only recently started to believe that BG (Mr. X) is also responsible for the Evansdale Murders. We believe he is currently the main LE suspect in the Evansdale Murders. Much more on that below.
LE Believes There Are Similarities Between the Evansdale and Delphi Double Homicides
Via our detective source in Indiana, we have learned that in both crimes:
There was posing. So, yes, although the Evansdale girls were mere skeletons when found, LE continues to believe that they were posed.
Girls in the pedohebephilic age range (8-14 years old) were brazenly abducted two at once from trails in busy parks in rural Midwestern towns in the middle of daytime with many people around.
The bodies were dumped near water.
A number of strange objects were found around the Evansdale girls similar to the bizarre images decorating the Delphi crime scene.
LE Says the Delphi Crime Scene Had Many Dolls Scattered Around
Via our detective source in Indiana, are now able to verify that dolls were scattered around on the ground at the crime scene of the Delphi Murders. And not just one, two, or three dolls. More than that. Like a number of them. Our detective source said, “It was like he went to Goodwill and bought a bunch of dolls there.” The dolls were of all types and are dressed in all sorts of different ways. We assume they were barbie doll size and type. However, they did not mention dolls hanging from trees, so this part of the rumor is not confirmed, with some suggestive evidence it is true.
LE Says Both Girls Were Posed in Delphi
Via this detective in Indiana, we also learned that both girls in the Delphi Murders were posed. However, they said nothing more than that, and they did not say that they were posed sexually, just that they were posed.
LE Says BG Used a Bleaching Agent, Specifically Toilet Cleaner, and Threw It Over Everything at the Crime Scene
In addition, this detective in Indiana told us that a bleaching agent was used at the scene. The detective felt it is not bleach per se but toilet bowl cleaner. They said he sprayed it all over everything important at the scene. You can see what appears to be a bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in BG’s left pocket in a blowup image. We believe that is a bottle of toilet bowl cleaner, and some of us have believed this for a long time, particularly a physician who is a member of our team. Yes, insane discredited liars like us have physicians as part of our team.
LE Says Both Delphi Victims Were Sexually Assaulted or “Violated with Inanimate Objects”
In addition, this detective in Indiana told us that both girls in Delphi were “violated with inanimate objects.” Those were their exact words. We now have seven sources telling us that sticks, twigs, etc. shoved into the girls’ vaginas and anuses. While our detective source did not specifically talk about twigs, etc., they did say that there were sexually abused by some objects or other. So it’s fact that the girls were violated with inanimate objects, and it’s probably also true that these objects were specifically sticks, twigs, and branches is apparently true, with two affirmations from LE detectives or people very close to LE detectives.
Unconfirmed Rumors Not Validated by the Police
However, other objections say we are claiming a lot of other things about this crime scene. Actually, these below are mostly unverified rumors with some probability of being true.The police did not verify any of the rumors below for us:
Not verified by police and hence mostly unconfirmed rumors:
Dolls hanging from trees at the crime scene. Source:A female member of the search team.
A sheet with a smiley face on it at the crime scene, possibly hung from a tree. Source:A female member of the search team.
A large stuffed bear or animal at the crime scene. Source:A female member of the search team. Also, many people say that they can see one clearly on blowups of crime scene photos.
Any cause of death or injury to either girl. Sources: Variety of unverified sources. Sources for cause of death of one victim: A conversation with one girl’s guardian and a photograph of this victim’s funeral, which we have chosen not to release, backing up the guardian’s statement.
Girls posed in a sexual manner at the crime scene, specifically with open legs. Sources:A female member of the search team and we were able to clearly see it on crime scene photos. This rumor is considered verified.
Phallic objects placed next and perpendicular to the genitals of both girls at the crime scene, specifically a log and a doll, to give the impression that they were being sexually penetrated by these objects. Source:A female member of the search team.
A knife plunged into either Libby’s neck or the log next to her. Libby’s hand wrapped around the knife to make it appear that she is stabbing herself. Sources for first part of rumor:A female member of the search team. Also, we were able to clearly see it on crime scene photos. This part of the rumor is considered verified. Source for second part of rumor:A female member of the search team.
Rumors About the Crime Scene Not Verified by Indiana LE and Hence Still Mostly Unconfirmed, with Varying Confidence Levels
Indiana LE did not validate the rumors about some aspects of the crime scene such as:
The presence of a giant stuffed bear. Source: A female member of the search party.
Presence of a crucifix. Source: A female member of the search party.
Presence of a white sheet with a smiley face on it that may or may not be hanging from a tree. Source: A female member of the search party.
Dolls hanging from trees. Source: A female member of the search party.
Girls being posed in a sort of sexual tableau. Source: Leigh Kerr.
Specifically, girls legs being spread as a sexual posing. Source: A female member of the search party.
A knife plunged into Libby’s shoulder or the log next to her with her hand wrapped around the knife so it looks like she is stabbing herself. Source: A female member of the search party.
Phallic objects, in this case a log and a doll, being placed between the girls open legs perpendicular to their genitals to create the impression of being penetrated by these objects. Source: A female member of the search party.
A series of events where Abby screamed and then was quickly hit on the head with a blunt object, which we believe is a gun butt. Source: Leigh Kerr.
Stabbing of Abby in the neck artery at some point after the above events. Source: Leigh Kerr.
But to be fair, they never said that any of these things were not were not at the crime scene or that those events did not happen. Instead they simply didn’t mention them because we never asked about them. So LE didn’t say that these rumors were true, but they did not say that they were not true either. These rumors are simply inconclusive at the moment, with some suggestion that 1-8 may be true due to testimony from a female member of the search team.
More Weirdness Abounds: 2/13, 2:13, and 2-13
This is probably one of the flat-out weirdest aspects of the case of all. The crime was committed in February 13 or 2/13. In the document(s) we have, it is openly stated that BG abducted the girls at precisely 2:13 PM. Some insist that this is merely a coincidence, but apparently LE do not think it is coincidental. If so, this proves that this crime was planned nearly down to the minute. The date of the crime and the time of the abduction are both 2-13. Apparently he planned this abduction to occur at precisely this time, which is shocking. In addition, note that he abducted two girls on the 13th, 2-13.
2/13, 2:13, 2-13. What is this guy, another Zodiac? Is he into numerology? Is there any meaning to these numbers or is he just playing sneaky, tricky games with us like these guys often do. These crimes are often a great big game to these guys, and they often try to insert clever little coincidences into their crimes, probably just to freak people out and make themselves seem diabolically clever, evil geniuses.
It is interesting to note that the Evansdale girls were also abducted on the 13th. And two girls were abducted there also. 2-13 again.
The DNA and Fingerprint Questions
As we noted, LE already has a principal suspect in the crime. And his DNA is found in the forest all around the crime scene. However, he was one of the searchers who found the bodies, and he was also known to have searched the area in the dark the previous evening.
Conceivably, he could have missed the girls while searching the night before, in which case his DNA would be in the area.
His DNA in the forest could also be a result of his being part of the search team that found the girls.
Hence, none of his DNA from the forest around the girls is usable.
We keep hearing over and over, “DNA, DNA, DNA.” We think this is a whole lot about nothing. As noted above, BG threw toilet cleaner over the girls and every object at the crime scene. Well, there goes your DNA. The only DNA found on the girls was that of Kelsi, sister of Libby. Kelsi has been cleared.
There is a rumor that LE has a partial DNA sample from an unknown male from one of the girls. Problem is they only have nine markers on that partial sample. That’s not very many. Conceivably, perhaps ~10% of men might have those nine markers.
These partial DNA samples are useful to LE. For instance, if LE have a suspect, and they have a partial present in 10% of the population, this is one more bit of evidence that might point towards them having the right guy. On the other hand, a sample with only nine markers is absolutely not usable in court.
In other words, the whole DNA question seems to be a gigantic red herring if the rumors are true. LE are being coy about whether they have DNA or not, but that’s probably just another ruse. They don’t want to show their hand to the killer and let him know if they have DNA or not. I think people need to stop talking about DNA in this case. It’s a dead end.
About those fingerprints.
LE themselves have admitted that they have one smudged fingerprint. They don’t say where they collected it from, but that’s an important question. Also, smudged prints are of very dubious value. They’re generally unusable. I wish people would stop talking about fingerprints.
The Lady Walking Her Dogs at the Bridge at 12:30 PM on the Day of the Murders
This is a rumor that a woman walking her dogs on the bridge at 12:30 PM on the day of the murders, a full hour before BG probably appeared on the trails at 1:30 PM, met BG somewhere, possibly on the south side of the bridge, and even had a brief conversation with BG. However, this information does not seem to be coming from LE.
Instead it is coming from Delphi podcaster Anthony Greeno, a dubious man and apparent con artist with a rap sheet so long it fades into the horizon when you try to read it. That doesn’t mean he’s wrong. It means to consider information coming from him with a lot of caution.
This woman was apparently a discovery of Greeno’s. Ok, wait. Greeno finds this woman but LE never did? She approached Greeno but she didn’t approach LE? My smellometer is registering stinky.
Furthermore the woman has since gone into hiding, possibly because of people bothering her, or maybe because she is afraid BG is going to kill her. Anyway, she’s not talking. Before she departed us though, she did inform us that she could not identify what the man she met looked like. Except she was sure he was BG. Now wait a minute. I’m kind of thinking this eyewitness account ain’t making it to the witness stand, ya know?
Obviously this is very much an unconfirmed rumor though everyone is treating it as if it’s the word of God. I beg to differ. If anyone has any more information on this odd rumor, please let me know in the comments or in my email. Obviously if we can place BG at the bridge at 12:30 PM, that changes everything.
Quit Referencing LE’s Statements at the 2019 Press Conference (The “Fakeference”) As Factual
Although we do not have any evidence that this is true, we believe that the 2019 Press Conference was a gigantic ruse. We believe they already had a main suspect at the time and they thought he was going to be at the meeting. So the meeting was designed to trick him. The entire meeting was meant for the consumption of one person, Mr. X.
Notice that LE told the public to stop focusing on the old BG and to focus on the New BG instead. The new BG was said to be the man who carried out the murders – he was BG. They also said that BG was 18-40 years old. Anyone with any sense can see, intuitively, that BG cannot possibly be the young man in the sketch, nor can he be 18-40 years old.
BG is obviously a middle-aged man around 50. You can tell by many things – gait, body shape, manner of walking, voice, etc. LE actually believes BG is 49-50 years old. If LE actually believes that BG is 50 years old, why did they put out this statement that he looks like this ridiculous sketch of a very young man or even an 18-40 year old man. Why would they deliberately contradict their own beliefs? Easy, they were lying!
LE also brought up the unknown vehicle (possibly a white truck?) seen at the CPS building. The message here to Mr. X is clear – LE has gone off on a completely different tangent and is not looking at you at all anymore. Instead these idiot cops think some kid in a white truck did it. What a bunch of idiots!
Not the first sketch, which looks like a middle aged man, Mr. X. Some kid.
Not the orange truck of the main suspect. Of course not! Instead, a probably nonexistent white truck at the CPS building.
You’ve thrown the cops off your tail, Mr. X! Good job!
And at the end, Carter says, “He may even be in this room right now,” and then looks in the complete opposite direction of Mr. X. The cops are wrong again. They think some fool on the other side of the room did it! Idiots!
The truth is that some of the things LE said in that conference are true. The sketch of the younger man appears to have been the catfish of the 19 year old boy used to lure in Libby from Snapchat.
And Mr. X or BG is the one who used that catfish to bring Libby in. So when LE said the younger sketch is the one who committed the crime, they were correct! He did commit the crime because the younger sketch is just BG in catfish form, his other younger personality that he uses to snare victims.
And when they said BG was actually better described as a combination of both sketches, they were correct too. BG himself is both the catfish young man and the older man who is the actual killer, so he is “both sketches at once,” obviously.
Also note that LE are now acting like they think the young catfish did the crime, not the older BG. This was done to get Mr. X to think, “LOL they don’t think I did it. They think this stupid catfish boy did it ha ha. Let them go on a wild goosechase after someone who doesn’t exist!” Once again, this was done to get Mr. X to think that they had lost his tail and were running off in the wrong direction against a completely different suspect.
Granted, we don’t have any evidence that this is true other than Leigh Kerr’s statements. We regard Leaker as credible, but we now demand sources beyond his level to be considered probative. Hence, formally, everything Leaker said has gone into unconfirmed rumors other than the things we were able to confirm from other sources such as LE statements to us, official case documents, two sources arriving at the same conclusion independently (a near impossibility if they were both making up the same lie. Nevertheless, we do feel that Leaker’s notion that this was all a big ruse rang true for us and sent us off on on our investigation, with the help of the notorious Godsey I might add.
We currently feel that this is the best explanation of the facts. Can we prove it? Nope. But all theories must be judged against their competitors (Occam’s). Put the competing theory to the logic test. Is there any way on Earth that BG could look like the young man in that sketch or even an 18-40 year old? Get real. When we line the two theories against each other, ours wins hands down. Hence, following Occam’s, our theory is the best explanation of the facts.
Mr. X’s Employment at a Packing Plant in Indiana and Possible Connection to the Evansdale Murders Verified by Article in the Indiana Star
Via the Indiana Star (in an undated article that we cannot find at the moment but nevertheless believe exists), Mr. X ‘s roommate in 2011-2012 in Delphi told LE that BG was absolutely Mr. X. The voice was a good match, the clothes looked “familiar,” and the walk was dead on. The roommate also said he suspected Mr. X of the Evansdale Murders because during the time of the Evansdale Murders, Mr. X and the roommate were both over in Evansdale being put up in hotels for months while they worked on the packing plant there.
Many people from the Delphi area went over to Evansdale to work on this project. They appear to have been working at the Tyson plant in Logansport, Indiana and were shipped to the sister Tyson plant in Waterloo, Iowa.
If this roommate is correct, it looks like Mr. X worked in 2011-2012 at Tyson Foods in Logansport, and he was moved to near Evansdale, Iowa for a period during these two years to work on a sister plant in Waterloo, near Evansdale.
We don’t know what his job was there, but if it was slitting the throats of screaming, squealing pigs on ropes swinging towards him with a knife so huge that it looks like a sword as is done at some slaughterhouses, we would say a job like that would be right up BG’s alley. BG made a deep cut to the throat of one victim that resembles the deep cuts made to the throats of pigs at some slaughterhouses. Notice that BG committed his crime with large knives, his preferred weapon. Mr. X also cuts up a lot of deer that he shoots for food. So it looks like Mr. X is using to cutting up dead and possibly living animals with large knives. And humans are animals too.
The Mystery of BG’s Indiana Packers Boots
There was an early raid on the Indiana Packers plant in Delphi that was done by LE, who faked a bomb threat in order to raid the place. Remember that they came out with a pair of boots. They showed the boots in an evidence bag to the media later on that night, and they said, “Oh, this is nothing. Don’t pay any attention to that.”
It turns out that BG’s shoes are dead perfect matches for Indiana Packers workboots. If he is wearing Indiana Packers workboots, this solves one more question. How did BG get across that knee-high stream in the middle of winter without nearly getting hypothermia and needing a change of clothes? Indiana Packers workboots go up to knee-high, and they are waterproof. So if he wore Packers boots to do his crime, he would have been able to cross that cold stream where the water is knee-deep. He could have worn those boots over his jeans, and he wouldn’t have gotten wet at all.
However, we presently lack evidence that Mr. X worked at Indiana Packers. There is evidence that he worked at a Tyson packing plant in Logansport during that period.
Which begs the question of if Mr. X is BG, how on Earth did BG come to acquire a pair of Indiana Packers boots, which is what he may well be wearing during his crime?
Weird Behavior of Mr. X Surrounding His Truck at the Crime Scene
We now have a better time frame for Mr. X’s truck being parked at the cemetery. Note that it was parked in head first. We believe he staged the crime with these elaborate props either before or after the crime from this exact location. We don’t know why he asked permission to search Ron Logan’s land at 6:30 PM, but this is also a huge red flag because he asked to search the land a full half hour before the fire department had even announced the formation of a search team.
Not only that, but Mr. X’s alibi is that he was in another town from 2:15-3:15 PM on the day of the crime. That would mean he would have had to drive back to Delphi by at least 3:45 and possibly later, depending on what town he was in and when he left. The problem here is that before 5:30 PM, no one knew the girls were missing other than the families and a few friends.
He could have called his wife, who was friends with Becky Patty, and the wife could have told him about the girls going missing. But that would mean that Becky Patty would have to say that she called the wife. We doubt if she did contact his wife. They weren’t that close.
After 5:30 PM, news of the girls going missing went out over the police scanner. We suppose if was listening to a police scanner, he could have known that early, but what’s the likelihood of Mr. X listening to a police scanner between 5:30-6:30 PM on the day of the crime? We would say it is low.
He parked 1,000 feet away from Ron’s door, almost a quarter mile away. Why didn’t he pull up to his front door? We don’t know about you all, but when we go visit our friends, we generally don’t park a quarter mile away and hike in. We park right at the front door.
We also don’t know what he was doing searching down there that night. We also do not know why out of all of the places to search, he happened to pick the exact location where the girls were killed. However, this early searching meant that he could use his “lost my keys” excuse as a reason why his car just happened to be parked for 18 straight hours soon after the crime and right above where the girls were foundbecause he could say the next day that he lost them during the previous evening’s search.
It is interesting that Mr. X appears to have stayed with his truck from 6:30 PM to on Monday, February 13, to 12:30 PM Tuesday, February 14 when the girls were found. That’s a full 18 hours. Why on Earth would someone stay next to their truck all through one evening and night through the next early AM and morning into the afternoon? It doesn’t seem like a normal person would stay at that location for all that time.
We believe he could have been staging that elaborate crime scene during that time. Where his truck was parked was a five minute walk to the crime scene. If he had those objects found at the crime scene in his truck, he could have easily carried them down to the crime scene and used them to stage it with the objects.
Mr. X needed the lost his keys excuse to explain how he stayed in that spot for 18 hours. If he didn’t have his keys, he could not move his truck. He could have gone home, but for some reason he stayed with his truck. Did he eat? Where did he get the food and what was the food? Did he sleep? If so, where and when? Urinating is no problem, but what if he had to defecate? That would have been quite a problem. It doesn’t seem reasonable to stay out there all that time for no good reason.
But it’s even worse than that.
Even after the girls were recovered, Mr. X stayed around through all of the media and police hubbub for the next eight hours, from 12:30 PM to 8:30 PM, so his truck was out at the crime scene for 26 full hours, with Mr X presumably with it the entire time. Why on Earth would anyone hang around near their vehicle for a full day just because they lost their keys? Were they are waiting for God Himself to come bring the keys?
We believe Mr. X stayed with the truck all that time in order to watch it. If he left, LE might tow it or search it. He stayed to guard his truck. We believe he did this because there may have been incriminating evidence in there.
Another reason he stayed is we believe that he enjoyed the drama. Everyone was crowding around to look at the crime he had committed. He was right in the middle of all the police and media, and no one suspected him. I’m sure that was a LOL feeling for him. “These idiot cops. They’re swarming all over this crime scene, and the killer is standing right here under their noses in the midst of the chaos for hours, and these coptards can’t figure this out.” We think he likes to fool and troll LE. “I’m fooling the cops, ha ha!” is the thinking.
Why did Mr. X not drive his truck away when it was in the way of all of the police cars? He had his keys with him, so why didn’t he move his truck when they asked him to instead of lying and saying he couldn’t because he had lost his keys? LE asked him to move the vehicle. He said he had lost his keys and was going to call his wife to bring a spare set of keys to him.
Three problems with that story:
He never lost his keys.
He never called the wife to ask her to bring a spare set.
There was no spare set in the first place.
At 8:20 PM, the police scanner said that A., Mr. X’s wife, was coming to bring Mr. X a spare set of keys. This has been misrepresented by doubters as the scanner saying to let Mrs. X intothe sealed off areabecause she’s bringing Mr. X his keys. We believe he just told LE she was coming, it went out over the scanner, and she never showed up.
LE must have been getting exasperated with Mr. X by this time. Someone, probably LE, called to have Mr. X’s truck towed. Mr. X just stood there and let them tow his truck away. He probably went back to retrieve it later on with his “spare set” (actually the real set he never lost) and drove it back home. Unfortunately, Mr. X’s truck was never searched. We believe there may have been incriminating evidence in there.
After all of this, a fake cover story was put out that Mr. X never lost his keys in the first place. Actually, that is correct because they were sitting in his pocket the whole time! But our critics think this means the story about him losing his keys is fake. Mr. X’s younger daughter insists that he never lost his keys. His wife now echoes in. As far as she is concerned, he never lost his keys. Becky Patty is also saying he never lost his keys.
However, Becky is saying two different things – first that he lost his keys and later that he didn’t lose his keys. We have a screenshot of Becky Patty texting Mrs. X to ask why she said he never lost his keys when he did. So another story is going out that he did lose his keys.
See what is going on here? Multiple stories are floating around, probably not purposely. Some are contradictory. But the effect is to cause confusion. The more confused people are, the more someone can get away with a crime.
As far as validation of the rumors of Mr. X being parked at the cemetery at 6:30 PM, asking Ron Logan for permission to search his land, searching his land that evening with two other men, and leaving his truck sitting there for 18 hours until the next day when the bodies were found and another eight hours afterwards, we can’t. This is simply what we have been told, and we are sticking by it.
We have also been told that LE caught Mr. X in the lies about losing his keys, calling his wife to bring him a spare, and a spare even existing in the first place. LE doesn’t like being lied to, especially when they are investigating a double homicide. We have been told that this is what made LE suspicious of Mr. X in the first place.
We are even being challenged on our reporting that Mr. X’s truck was boxed in by police at the time of the discovery of the bodies. But we have a photograph of his truck surrounded by police cars.
The story about his truck getting towed is also being challenged. We were told that his truck had been towed.
The rejoinders also say that either he never lost his keys or he did and he called the wife to bring a spare, and she did, evidence being the police scanner. But the scanner doesn’t say she came to bring the keys. It said she was coming to deliver the keys. We believe she never showed up, he never called the wife, never lost his keys in the first place, and there was no spare set. We believe this because this is what we were told.
Mr. X’s Traumatic Reaction upon Discovering the Bodies Appears Staged and Fake
Mr. X not only discovered the bodies, but he ran away in terror afterwards. Like a coward, we would add. Then he needed 2-3 months of therapy to work through this traumatic experience. We believe that those reactions were overblown. No one else reacted that way. Not even Becky Patty and she was probably more devastated than anyone and probably still is.
So Mr. X was more traumatized by this crime than anyone else, including the victim’s grandmother who was hurt more than anyone. We believe that the running away and months of therapy were also “staged.” In other words, they were faked. Faked to make it look like he could not possibly have committed the crime because he was more devastated than anyone else.
We Don’t Have a Copy of the Gag Order Supposedly Issued about the Towing of a Truck from the CPS Building on Either February 13 and 14
People are saying that we have a copy of the gag order that was issued on the towing of the truck at the CPS building. We believe that this happened in the first place because a photo exists of a truck being towed from the CPS building around February 13-14. We do not have a copy of that gag order, but we were told that one had been issued by the courts. We have no idea why the order was issued.
Nature of Case Document(s) in My Possession
We do indeed have document(s) from the case. A man was a suspect in this crime, and the document(s) are from LE’s investigation of him. The docs are his property. He ran them off for us and sent them to us in the mail. So it is true that we only have photocopies of these docs, not the real thing. But we believe our source, a man who lives in Delphi not far from the crime scene, sent us copies of the actual documents. He got turned in because two brothers for some reason were saying that he was BG.
There are signature(s) on the document(s). The sigs are from either LE, the judicial system, or both. We are not going to tell you what sort of document(s) we have. If you’re smart enough you should be able to figure it out by these bomb-sized hints we keep dropping.
The man who owns the documents is not happy with us going public with these docs. He doesn’t care that much about it in theory, but he doesn’t want to get uncovered revealing official case document(s) to the media. That’s why we’ve had to muddy up the nature of the document(s) themselves, how we obtained them, and how we received them. It’s an attempt to protect our source from being revealed. We confess that we do make up stuff about sensitive sources and documents. It’s all about protecting our sources. But we’ve never made up one single fact about this case in four years, despite what most of the Internet believes.
Nature of Mr. X’s “Sex Offense” from the 1980’s
Earlier we said that Mr. X had a conviction for a sex offense in the 1980’s when he was 16-26. On the other hand, other sleuths have come back and told us that Mr. X’s record is clean. That’s misleading. He has a conviction for statutory rape from 1982 in Illinois. He was 18 and the girl was 14.
The reason this offense is not seen on his record is because we believe he had it expunged. Expunged just means taken out of public records. LE still has access to the conviction. As far as how we obtained this information, we were told by a detective that Mr. X had this conviction. He told us it was in 1982. This is why we believe it occurred.
The idea that he was a “sex offender” in the 1980’s is a nothingburger. It’s just run of the mill statutory rape (which isn’t even rape) or as we prefer to call it, “illegal intercourse,” with a barely legal man and a teenage girl jailbait, which probably ought to be covered by Romeo and Juliet laws anyway.
Have you seen all these mental midgets accusing everyone and their uncle of being “pedophiles?” This is getting downright stupid. Everyone and their uncle has been accused of a being a “pedophile.” How many of these morons have ever met even one pedophile? How many have talked to one? Talked to one at length? Talked to one at length about their sexual orientation? Well, I have. I worked with a couple of these guys in my practice. One was a very difficult person but I worked with him for months. And I made him a whole lot better too, by the way.
How many of these people getting called “predators” and “pedophiles” are the real thing? 1%? Is it even that high? I’ve been saying for a long time that we are in the midst of a mass hysteria and moral panic about this ridiculous subject, which has somehow managed to conflate the perfectly normal and healthy sexual desires and lives of teenage girls with child molesters who molest little girl childrenwho have no sex drive or interest in sex.
Really this moral panic is, as so many of these Retard Infections are, about sex. Sex, you know, that all-American eternal hangup. What this really is is a mass hysteria around the sexuality of teenage girls. It’s Teenage Girl Sexuality Mass Hysteria. Notice how little of the time they talk about actual molesters and pedophiles and how it’s always some guy committing stat rape with some horny as Hell jailbait teenybopper who probably seduced him in the first place?
We Americans just can’t bear the notion that these girls have an actual, very strong sex drive, have very real sexual lives, needs, and desires, that they like, pursue, and seduce grown men, and that all normal men are strongly aroused by them. True to our puritanical roots, we just can’t bear any of this. Hence the pearl-clutching epidemics.
I’d also like to point out that idiot moral panics are often about “kids.” Remember the moral panic about “drugs,” especially marijuana? You know what that was really all about? I was around in that era back in the day, an advocate for legalization when it was hazardous to be one, and I lived through that particularly insipid moral panic, an actual moral panic about marijuana. It was all about the kids. Kids were smoking pot. Kids were taking “drugs.”
Remember the Satanic Panic of the 1980’s? All about the kiddies, no? Save the little children from the satanic child molesters who could literally fly, had sex with animals, flushed them down toilets, beheaded babies in front of them and forced them to drink the blood, and abused them in airports and bowling alleys.
At the end of the day, as always, it’s all down to “think of the children!“
This term has been grotesquely abused lately, starting with feminists, who equate all prostitution with “trafficking” and then the federal government, which passed a rather silly law 5-10 years against “sex trafficking.” Increasingly what you are seeing in the media is a complete conflation of prostitution and “sex trafficking.”
In particular, anyone pimping minor females is said to be “trafficking” no matter whether there is any coercion at all. Trafficking was originally supposed to mean women who were being essentially enslaved, kept prisoner, held against their will, and forced to prostitute themselves for others. Basically sex slaves. There are a lot of forms of this coerced and imprisoned sort of prostitution in the world, and it is an ugly thing to be sure!
But that silly federal law conflated that with any prostitution of minors. So “sex trafficking” is not just sex slavery but it’s also prostituting of minors. Which seems a bit silly. How are minors being “trafficked” if they are not being held against their will? It’s ridiculous. The crime should be something like Prostituting a Minor, along those lines. Perhaps that’s a serious offense, I have no idea. But it sure isn’t “trafficking.”
Increasingly I have seen articles, many coming out of Texas, about big roundups of “sex traffickers.” They were rounding up 50-60 men at once and the guys looked pretty ordinary. That’s an awful lot of “traffickers” to round up at once. When they do round these guys up, they usually only catch a few at a time as they are hard to catch and not particularly common anyway. So I did some research. It turned out that of those 60 men, only one of them actually trafficked in prostitutes, and even he was just prostituting minors. I have no idea if coercion or imprisonment was involved. The other 59 men were guilty of…get this: buying a teenage prostitute!
Look I’m not saying that buying an underage prostitute should be legal. But you should have to prove that he knew that she was underage or by her appearance, she could not possibly have been 18. The bizarre thing about these laws is that in many states, it is perfectly legal for any adult man to have sex with a 16-17 year old girl as long as he does it for free and doesn’t pay her. The minute he gives her some money for her treasures, it’s a crime!
Even knowingly buying an underage prostitute is not “trafficking” in any way, shape, or form. It’s a crime called “Buying a Minor Prostitute.” How in the Hell is buying a whore “trafficking?” It’s absurd.
To tell the truth, many prostitutes with pimps may be being trafficked. That’s because many pimps won’t let the girls in their stables free. They threaten to hunt them down, beat them up, or kill them if they run away from the pimp. Any prostitute in a situation like that with her pimp is indeed being trafficked.
Now buying a teenage prostitute is an odd crime. Minors are not allowed to legally prostitute themselves, but many do it anyway. And 50% of minor female prostitutes are Black. Blacks are only 13% of the population. So there’s massive over-representation of Black teenage girls in minor prostitution. Quite a few of those girls probably have psychopathic tendencies too, or will develop into psychopaths when they are adults because we are not supposed to diagnose psychopathy or any other personality disorder in minors. Fully 45% of adult female prostitutes are psychopaths. Newsflash: whores aren’t very nice women. They not even very nice people.
A lot of them are simply criminals and ripoffs and all sorts of petty thievery and female prostitution go hand and hand. In my opinion, a prostitute and a thief are the same thing. This is what the female psychopath becomes: Histrionic Personality Disorder, the “Mata Hari” or “femme fatale” disorder. Basically what I would call a thieving whore. Many female strippers, porn stars and other sex workers are also female psychopaths or have high scores on the PCL.
Many male porn stars are the same. This was observed as far back as the 1970’s and 80’s. If you look at those old porn movies, look at how mean and evil so many of those male porn stars are. And look at how crass, loud, brassy, and cold the women are. That’s the typical whore personality: hard, cold, brassy, callous, cynical. It looks like a damaged woman. Their emotions look shut down and they’ve gone hard.
A famous study on childhood sexual abuse was done 20 years ago by Rind et al. I think I still have a copy of it on my desktop here.
It provoked wild outrage. Even the idiotic American Psychological Association denounced it, notable as one of the most anti-scientific statements this anti-scientific organization has ever issued. Even the US Congress got in on the act. The Congress passed a resolution condemning the study! Congressmen, mostly Republicans, stood up and denounced it forcefully.
The problem? The study came up with the wrong answer. In other words, the truth was wrong and society preferred to believe pleasant lies over unpleasant truths, so the paper was condemned for discovering the wrong facts.
Usually when theory and facts do not match up, we say that the theory was wrong and go back to the drawing board.
However, in this case and with all ideological arguments by ideologues and politics types, when the theory and the facts don’t match up, the facts are wrong, and the facts are not the facts! Why? Because the theory is said to be automatically a priori true. The theory must be true. It cannot be false. So the facts must be wrong and we need to change the facts, wipe out the truth, and say that reality isn’t real, instead, what is real is some fantasy world that doesn’t exist.
A number of fake “studies” were undertaken by other behavioral “scientists” taking about the Rind findings and finding fault with this or that conclusion. None of the fake studies denouncing it were worth a hill of beans. That they made it into the journals at all shows that pathetic anti-scientific nature of the social sciences, sadly also including Psychology, which has been trying to become more of a science for a long time now.
But by the very fact that it is a social science means that Psychology will always be a fake science in some ways because its findings have to do with people, and the science of people will always be twisted by politics, ideology, bias, and mostly emotional reaction.
It’s hard to get emotional about a new finding in math or physics. Who cares! But findings in the social sciences are inherently emotional because we are always emotional about ourselves and our fellow humans, and anything people are strongly emotional about will always be tainted by bias, propaganda, politics, and ideology. In other words, lies. This is why the social sciences will always be doomed to the charge of being fake sciences and will always carry the guilty burden of physics envy.
Ritter et al conducted a meta-analysis of a huge number of studies on the effects of childhood sexual abuse on children as adults. Child abuse was mostly defined as sexual abuse below age 13, so sex with teenage girls and boys, a massive minefield, was left out.
The available evidence shows that consensual sex with teenage girls and boys and adults causes little if any damage to teenagers. This behavior is illegal not because it is harmful to the teens, as I doubt that it is. Instead it is outlawed because society’s morals say that members of society do not wish to live in a society where adults are free to have sex with teenagers of various ages.
It’s seen as unsavory, unpleasant, disgusting or revolting, and often morally wrong. But this behavior is not psychologically disordered in any way. This is a moral and legal problem, not a psychological one.
Unfortunately we are now in the midst of a truly insane mass hysteria around the sexuality of teenage girls in which 90% of the population has thrown reason out the window and gone batshit insane, out and out lies are widely believed, and science and facts are no where to be seen.
In fact, the people who quote the science and the facts about this question are attacked as pedophiles! Because I guess only pedophiles believe in science and truth when it comes to this sort of thing. If you don’t want to be called a pedophile, just spout the usual lies about this subject. As long as you keep lying and don’t ever resort to facts, you’re in the clear!
Fact: nothing published in an academic journal has ever produced evidence suggesting that teen/adult relationships are harmful or predatory. Literally not even one. Anthropological and historical studies all over the world have found that such relationships are common in many societies and no harm was reported in any society ever studied.
How do I know this? I’ve studied them. A particularly large one was done out of Germany in the 1950’s. You can find this evil science of banned truths on the Net, though I can’t tell you where to look. The pedo advocate sites have links to it, but I don’t want to send you there. I suspect the motives of those who wrote this study, but the science seems good.
Furthermore, historically speaking, I’ve learned from the Psychohistorian sites that teen/adult relations were normal in most of the world including the West up until 1900. Zero harm was reported.
Sadly, mass molestation of children was also reported in the West from Roman and Greek times until 1900. Under the crowded urban conditions that arose with the onset of capitalism and the Industrial Revolution, where families were packed together in tiny spaces, a great deal of molestation went on. I’m not happy about this at all, but it’s notable that no ill effects were observed in Greece and Rome until the pre-1900 West.
Perhaps the reason for this was that molestation of children was simply an expected fact of life. If you grow up as a female and get molested and all of your woman friends also got molested, it’s seen as a normal thing. There’s usually nothing inherently wrong with this behavior absent physical damage. Things that are normalized in any society tend to cause little if any damage.
I disagree here with some folks like psychohistorians who argue that all sexual abuse of children under any circumstances, normalized or condemned, results in inevitable terrible lifetime damage to the person. They also believe that many other things experienced in childhood cannot but cause horrible lifelong damage.
I doubt if that is true. If you grow up in a society that normalizes this or that behavior, outside of extreme perversion, aggression, and sadism, it’s probably seen as normalized and shrugged off. In other words, the damage of most of these things is relative and depends on the degree to which your society condemns or pathologizes the behavior.
However, for small children, the true victims of child molestation, it is quite different.
Granted, the victims were interviewed when in college so the abuse was a long ways away. Conceivably if they had interviewed them earlier as minors, they would manifested more damage. The findings were shocking:
Rind et al found that the long-term effects of child sexual abuse were typically neither pervasive nor intense, and men reacted much less negatively than women. Ritter et al also found that less than 10% of victims were traumatized. The most common effects were shame, blame, and confusion.
To explicate that further, the effects were shame about having been abused, blame for themselves for allowing it to happen to them, and confusion about the abuse itself.
The confusion may manifest in various ways. A female friend of mine from 10 years ago was molested. Of course she absolutely hates my guts now, but that’s not an unusual reaction for women who get involved with me in some way or another. I’m used to it.
She told me that she was molested by a pedophile in her church group when she was 8 years old. The molester was a young man and he does appear to have been a pedophilic or preferential molester. She told me, “It’s confusing because it feels good but it’s wrong.” This is part of the thinking behind the confusion that kids experience after being abused.
She also told me that she had completely gotten over it by age 50, but she seemed to have gotten over it much before then. I knew two other women (I actually got involved with these two whereas with the other one it was more email and hot phone conversations) of the same age who were sexually abused as girls, one by a probable pedophile and the other by her opportunistic teenage older brother. They both told me that they had gotten over it by age 50 but implied that they had gotten over it much before then.
The shame, blame, and confusion are apparently short-term effects in most victims, and at the very least have dissipated by college age.
The implication is that children or minors may experience those effects for some time in their youth, but these effects mostly go away by adulthood, and there is no lasting damage in almost all (90%) of cases. The study also found that where the molestation was consensual or non-coerced, there was little if any long-term damage. However, when coercion was involved, damage was much more likely and could easily last into adulthood or perhaps an entire lifeftime.
Unfortunately, pedophiles have gotten a hold of the Rind et al study and like to wave it around to try to push for legalization of child/adult sexual relations.
That’s not my intention here. I don’t care if most victims get over it. Good for them. I’m happy that they are not damaged in the long term.
Nevertheless, this behavior still needs to be outlawed because I don’t want to live in a society where adults are allowed to have sex with young children below age 13. I don’t have to have a reason. I just don’t like it. That’s all the reason I need.
Rambo: From the very beginning of the Delphi case, a lot of people had sneaking suspicions that there was a better than average chance that the person or persons involved in this knew beforehand that the day of the crimes would be a school off-day for the girls. A lot of people’s first thought was someone connected with the girls’ school.
Yes, of course. It’s worse than that. He actually stalked Libby for four months beforehand. And the idea that this was a last minute decision has been proven wrong. The girls were discussing it as early as Friday because people who knew the girls were talking about their upcoming trip in local bars that night. And it looks like Libby posted on her Instagram at some point that she was going to the bridge.
I suppose he must have known Abby was going to be there too, so he may have targeted her in a sense too. Instagram is the site that he was catfishing Libby on with that young man’s photo.
This whole idea that he went to that crowded bridge that afternoon with his full-blown murder kit just to haphazardly see if he could find female or two to kill is insane. Others say he was just there to kill anyone, even a man. That’s even more insane. Further, I’m wondering if he’s into killing women. Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t. He’s not a pedophile, but he could be a hebephile, a very common sexual orientation. After all, 26% of all men could be classified as hebephiles or pedophiles!
13 and 14 is a bit young to be targeting females, but a number of serials have killed young teenage girls and women too because after all, teenage girls look like women! Face facts. Ted Bundy killed a 12 year old girl, but 12 year old girls are on the cusp of puberty and while they don’t look like women, they look enough like women that a lot of men are starting to find them “interesting.”
I believe Bundy also killed an 8 year old girl when he was 14, but he would never admit to that. He even implied in interviews that he had done some things that he would never admit to. Even for Ted Bundy, killing a little 8 year old girl was too low. Maybe not too low but just shameful. Bundy was a narcissist, a malignant narcissist. Perhaps he thought it was shameful to his reputation as the Greatest Serial Killer of All Time if he would admit to killing a little girl. It was a bridge too far.
This is fascinating because it implies that even the worst people of all think there are some things that are just beyond the pale.
Hitler was appalled by the mistreatment of animals. I guess he thought Jews and Slavs were below animals. And one of the worst Nazis of all, Goebbels, has a bit of a moral compass. In the early days of the Holocaust, they were just lining Jews up and shooting them with firing squads. Goebbels witnessed one of these shootings and he completely freaked out. He broke down in front of everyone, started crying, just carried on. And he decreed that there was to be no more of this or they needed to get away from that as quickly as possible.
The next step was not the gas chambers as everyone thinks. Instead it was “gas vans.” Jews were killed in these vans for a while before the Final Solution was agreed upon at the Wansee Conference in 1942 and they moved to the chambers in the name of efficiency but also because they wanted to kill people in as sterile of clean way as possible, in an almost antiseptic was hidden way the same way your cat is kindly quickly, efficiently and cruelly when it is taken to the vet for the last time.
Murder is murder but when you do it as cleanly as possible, it’s easier to rationalize it. If you murder in a cold and cruel way, it seems horrible as disgust sets in and it seems like you really did kill them. If you do it clean, in your mind you can make it seem that you didn’t really “kill” them in the same way as if you chopped them to pieces. Of course it makes no sense, but we are emotional creatures so we are not purely logical and our conscious and especially subconscious mind is “irrational” that can only be understood if we are using “emotional logic” instead of “pure logic” or the logic of Spock on Star Trek.
So they went to the gas chambers. But at first they were not burning the bodies. They were burying them in mass graves, especially at a few little known camps that were truly extermination camps such as Sobibor and Theresienstat. All of these were in Poland. It is odd that Auschwitz is more famous than these extermination camps while Auschwitz was less exterminationist than these others. 15% of the inmates at Auschwitz survived.
After all, it was first and foremost a labor camp. It sounds awful that 85% of them were killed of course, but at some of those Polish extermination camps it was even worse. There was one that killed 900,000 people. There were perhaps 30 survivors who ran for it into the local woods at the very end as the Allies were closing in. Even most of these escapees were killed. Only .0003 percent survived. 15% is a Hell of a lot more than .0003%.
Anyway, Goebbels was at one of those extermination camps and he saw the mass graves where they had buried maybe 10,000’s on inmates. It had been raining and the bloating from the decaying corpses was so extreme owing to the rain and sheer number of the dead that the ground beneath them was literally rising up and falling as they were standing on it. The Earth was alive but in a terrible way.
Once again, Goebbels completely flipped out, got hysterical, started yelling and crying and said no more mass graves. This is how the ovens were added to the gas chambers. To eliminate dead bodies in a more efficient and especially less disgusting way. Once again if you put them in ovens, you can almost rationalize it away. All that’s left are ashes and it’s hard to see those are former humans. Your mind can always tell you, “Oh those are just ashes, that’s all. Not formerly human corpses.” Again this is not logical, but according to emotional logic, it makes complete sense.
It’s interesting that three of the most evil men of the 20th Century actually had a moral compass. A very tiny and meager one for sure, but some things were beyond the pale even for them. One wonders if there has ever been a human with no moral compass at all if one such a human is even possible. Even wild animals have moral compasses. A female mountain lion won’t kill her cubs. A male mountain lion won’t kill his mate.
It’s also interesting that if the kill people and get rid of bodies in as cold, efficient, sterile and maybe democratic way as possible, the mind can rationalize that you’re not “really” killing people and disappearing bodies.
Rape: Non-consensual sex generally involving force, the threat of force, gross deception like pretending to be another person, or drugging the victim. Everything else is gray rape and most DA’s won’t touch it with a 10 foot pole. Realistically, if she is protesting and telling you to stop and you are forcing yourself on her, it’s rape whether a DA will take it or not.
Coercion is an odd word. Anyone can coerce anyone into doing anything legal. People have been coercing me all my life. It’s not very nice, but it’s hardly rape as long as she ends up willing. It’s important to limit our definition of rape because even stranger rape is rarely prosecuted.
Almost no one ever goes down on sex with an intoxicated woman, no matter what she is intoxicated on. The feminist line that intoxicated women can never consent to sex is odd.
By this logic, intoxicated men can never consent either. Conceivably, a sober woman having sex with an intoxicated man is guilty or rape!
By the same token, an intoxicated man and an intoxicated woman are guilty of raping each other! Except of course only the man will conceivably ever go down on it.
And what of alcoholic women and women are drug addicts? Apparently every single time they have sex with anyone, they’re being raped!
Also, no one even knows what intoxicated means? At what point is someone drunk enough to not consent? Who knows!
What about other drugs – heroin, cocaine, cannabis, hallucinogens? At what point is one so intoxicated on this or that drug that they cannot consent? No one knows!
Obviously this law is ridiculously vague. All vague laws are unconstitutional and illegal because no one knows whether they are breaking them or not.
As usual, the intoxication is rape argument makes absolutely no sense, like almost everything feminists say ever. Which is a good reason to abandon feminism. It’s nothing but lies!
If you wish to know, DA’s will only prosecute on intoxicated sex as rape if she is passed out cold or passing in and out of consciousness. And even then, some video evidence might be nice. Case in point: the Steubenville boys. If she’s passed out, leave her alone! What are you, a necrophile? If she’s passing in and out of consciousness, forget it. She’s too wasted to enjoy it and half the time, you’ll be having sex with a corpse. In which case, what the Hell is wrong with you?
Logically speaking, you can coerce anyone into sex legally. If you make a condition of a job, it’s not illegal then either, but you can be sued as it’s a civil offense. As I said, anyone can coerce anyone into doing anything legal as long as there is no force or threat of force involved. If by the time she’s in bed, she’s awake and enthusiastic, it’s not important how you got her there unless you used force or the threat of force.
All affirmative consent laws are insane and stupid because no man has ever gone down on failing to read a woman’s mind properly. But if she looks terrified and unenthusiastic in bed as if you are forcing her to do something you don’t want to do, I don’t know pal, but that sounds awful rapey to me. It may be legal but that doesn’t mean it’s right.
Statutory rape (illegal intercourse): Of course teenage girls can consent, but in a legal sense we say some cannot with certain different-aged partners for various reasons, mostly that society finds the idea of adults having sex with teens of certain ages to be unsavory. Where it is consensual, the harm is almost zero.
Nevertheless, men should be advised that these laws are enforced, and nowadays they put you in prison. It’s mostly a non-issue compared to the others here. AOC varies but tends to be ~15-16 in most of the world. In European countries with AOC’s at this level, problems are very rare. This isn’t even really rape. It’s better to call it “illegal intercourse.”
Child molestation: Any sex with an adult and a child under 13 is child molestation. It has to be sex. Backrubs and shoulder pats don’t count. There has to be some sort of genital contact. As I noted in a previous post, harm varies with the degree of coercion.
Feminists should wish to recover all victims of child molestation to live full lives instead of being victims. Child molestation is illegal and should never be allowed. Some kids actually like it believe it or not (I’ve met adult women who enjoyed being molested), but we still need to keep it illegal because we do not wish to live in a society where adults have sex with kids.
Child rape: Sadly it is important to separate child rape from child molestation. This is because feminists and moral scolds have taken to conflating all child molestation as “child rape.” They’re not the same thing. Yes, small children cannot consent to sex with adults but that doesn’t mean it’s rape when it happens. Instead we use the word molestation to refer to the fact that little kids can’t legally consent. There’s no need to muddy the waters here.
Child molestation is generally “consensual” psychologically. However it is not consensual legally because we say that kids can’t consent to sex with an adult. Almost all sex with kids is molestation, not rape. Child rape does exist and it is a severe crime. It often involves strangers, abductions, threats, weapons, and violence. It’s always non-consensual by definition. In some cases, the children are physically harmed or even killed.
The consequences can certainly be long-lasting, even affecting the victim over a lifetime. Nonetheless, women seem to be able to get over rape. I know a number of women who were raped and got over it fine. I’ve only met one woman raped as a child and she won’t discuss it. And yes, it was pretty bad. Two 11 year old girls raped at knifepoint. As bad as it gets.
Pedophilia: This is simply a sexual orientation like homosexuality that means the primary or sole attraction is to children under 13. Hebephilia (primary attraction to pubescents age 12-14) and ephebephilia (primary attraction to teenagers) are not included in pedophilia.
These men cannot help their condition and need to be helped to manage it so they do not offend. There are now organizations of virtuous pedophiles dedicated to pedophiles who have committed themselves to non-offending. Pedophilia cannot be combated or prevented because we have no idea what causes it. There’s no way to fight it because it simply exists.
~75% of child molesters are non-pedophilic molesters. They’re no more pedophiles than any other man. This shows again that there is a difference between the terms pedophile and child molester. Most of this molesting tends to be in the family whereas pedophilic molesters tend to molest outside the family, in part because they often have no children of their own.
There is nothing wrong with these non-pedophilic molesters sexually and probably even psychologically – their sexual interests are quite ordinary. They are “normal” in the way that most criminals are “normal” – that is, they are not the slightest bit crazy. The fact that criminals in general are not crazy and in fact are often remarkably sane is in part what makes them so dangerous. If they were crazy we could protect ourselves from them better. The fact that they are so sane is what enables them to get away with their crimes and also makes them hard to catch.
Rather these are simply bad men who are opportunistic and will have sex with females in general – women, children, no matter. A female relative or child is also a very easy target for these very manipulative men. In some cases it is an alternative if the wife has cut off the sex. The best description of these men is that they are simply criminals. They are users and their behavior is part of a pattern of control and abuse, often combined with verbal and physical abuse.
It is hard to say how girls how girls are effected, for it is mostly girls who are effected by intrafamilial child molesting in part because most gay men do not have children nor do they have access to them. Most molesting of boys does not occur in the family, and in fact such molesting is not very common.
Instead most boys are molested by homosexual pedophiles. And of course there are homosexual pedophiles – the woke crowd claims that homosexuals and pedophiles cannot be one and the same and yet they can.
They tell this lie because sadly gay men do have a pretty high rate of child molesting, mostly probably of the pedophilic variety.
A logical explanation for this is that both homosexuality and pedophilia are probably developmental disorders, as is biological transsexualism. Something goes wrong developmentally with the fetus in the womb, hormonally in the case of male homosexuality and biological transsexualism but due to unknown factors in the case of pedophilia. It would stand to reason that developmental disorders might tend to overlap due to a common cause.
Pedophilia may be caused by subtle brain damage. Neurological soft signs – typically evidence of subtle brain damage – are very common in pedophiles. Furthermore, pedophiles tend to have lower IQ’s than non-pedophiles, once again suggestive of mild brain damage.
In some ways it is worse if your own father is doing it to you. Nevertheless, most seem to get over it with time. The behavior of non-pedophilic molesters is outside the purview of mental health because we just talk about whether behavior or persons are crazy or not. And these men are not crazy. They’re just bad. We are talking about matters of morality and law, not matters of psychology and psychiatry.
There is often significant Cluster B Axis 2 Personality Disorder pathology as is the case with most men who use and abuse others. These men are fairly easy to rehabilitate absent significant psychopathy because significant guilt is not uncommon, and they are not pedophilic, so they can easily fulfill their sexual needs without resorting to children. Probably in India, Morocco and most of the Third World, most molesting is by non-pedophilic molesters because pedophilia proper is not well known in these places, and most men, even gay men, tend to marry and have children due to societal pressure.
First is the orientation to persons or objects of attraction. Heterosexuals are primarily attracted to the opposite sex. Homosexuals are mostly attracted to their own sex. Bisexuals have significant attraction to both sexes.
Sexual Orientation and Sexual Behavior Are Not Synonymous
Sexual orientation is somewhat independent of behavior. Heterosexuals are quite capable of homosexual behavior, and many homosexuals engage in some heterosexual sex. Bisexuals may be behaviorally heterosexual or homosexual for long periods of time.
Orientation is what you are primarily attracted to – behavior is who you have sex with. In cases such as ancient Sparta, the two did not line up very well at least for teenage boys and young men.
The second is age orientation.
Most people, including me believe it or not, are teleophiles – that is, they are primarily attracted to mature persons. This usually means age 16+ because 16-17 year old adolescents are almost indistinguishable from adults in terms of their sexual features.
As the age of the person declines below age 16, teleophilic attraction tends to decline, however, all men still have measurable but much lower attraction even to girls aged 7-13. Some studies show that normal male attraction to girls declines steadily from age 16 to a very low level at age 7, and below age 7, there is no measurable attraction. This is probably correct and any man with significant attraction to very small girl children below 7 is no doubt quite pedophilic.
Girls still have female features of women, especially after age 7, and these features grow more prominent from age 7-12. Around age 10-11, most girls develop very long legs; in short, the legs of a woman. Normal males are attracted to girls this age mostly to the extent that they like their legs, since their legs look like an adult woman’s.
The more a minor looks and acts like a woman, the more attractive she will be a normal male. The more a minor looks and acts like a child, the less attractive she will be to a normal man. The opposite is true for a man with a pedophilic or hebephilic attraction.
For instance, letting little girls under age 13 wear makeup is probably a very bad idea because many normal men say that when little girls put on makeup, they start to look a lot more attractive to men. I can concur that this occurs. It also makes me very uncomfortable. A little girl is not a sexual creature, as she has no sex drive per se. Why sexualize a non-sexual creature? Childhood for both boys and girls below age 13 should be sexless. Normal children have little or no interest in sex.
Note that since teleophiles react maximally in the lab to 16-17 year old girls and most Americans consider such a strong attraction to be “pedophilia,” the remarkable conclusion is that the current feminist and social conservative hysteria about “pedophilia” means that 100% of normal American men are pedophiles! That sounds like the very definition of a mass hysteria right there!
There are also ephebephiles like Jeffrey Epstein who are primarily attracted to girls age 15-19 or mid to late adolescents. Girls this age often have significant to fully developed adult features and bodies. Psychiatry has decided that ephebephilia is completely normal, therefore, there was nothing wrong with Epstein psychologically.
Epstein was not a pedophile in any sense of the word despite continuous descriptions of him in this way. Nevertheless, most men are probably not ephebephiles.
Women reach their peak attractiveness to normal men at age ~23. Men reach their peak attractiveness to women at age ~27. As you can see, women prefer their men a bit older and men prefer their women a bit younger. This seems to be a natural tendency of the human race as even the Romans remarked up this fact of human nature.
A man can still have a child when there is snow on the roof (when his hair is White), but a woman’s time is short.
– Roman saying of unknown provenance.
Hebephiles are primarily attracted to pubertal persons around the age 12-15. All attraction is gone by age 16. Hebephilia is quite a bit more normal than you might think. 26% of all men react as strongly or stronger in the lab to 12-14 year old girls than they do to women.
In most cases there is strong attraction to mature females too, so most of these men never act on this attraction as adults. Hebephilic attraction is generally antisocial in adults, whereas attraction to mature persons is pro-social. Faced with strong prosocial and antisocial attractions, most probably focus on the prosocial attraction and repress or suppress the antisocial one.
Considering that idiot popular culture (99% of people) would say that any man as or more attracted to 12-14 year old girls as to adult women is clearly a pedophile, our ludicrous culture would easily class a minimum of 26% of all men as pedophiles. That’s 28 million “pedophiles” in the US, idiots. Good luck executing all of them or locking them all away forever!
It is important to note that hebephilia per se is not considered to be a mental disorder in any way. In other words, it is quite normal. Nevertheless acting on it is a moral and legal problem but probably not a psychological one as in mental health we don’t deal with crime as mental abnormality per se. We are only concerned if people are crazy or disordered or not.
Pedophiles have a primary attraction to children under age 13. It is quite common. 3% of adult men or 3.3 million American men are pure pedophiles of this type. Substantially more common are men who are as attracted to children under 13 as they are to mature persons. 18% of all US men fall into this category for a total of 21% of all men being as attracted to children under 13 as they are to adults, a shocking figure. Our current culture would clearly call all of these men pedophiles. So once again we end up with 20 million “pedophiles.” Good luck executing or imprisoning for life 20 million American men, moral hysterics!
Note that we don’t even bother to call all men who react maximally to children under 13 pedophiles! We would have to call 20% of all men pedophiles, and no one wants to do that. In mental health, we are mostly concerned with the 3% pure pedophiles because the only way they can satisfy their sexual urges is with a child under 13. This makes these men dangerous almost by definition. Hence it is recommended that they get with an empathetic therapist regularly to keep from acting on their attraction and offending.
Here probably even more than with hebephiles, most of this 18% of men above probably repress or suppress the antisocial attraction to children under 13 and instead focus on the equally strong attraction to mature persons.
In contrast to hebephilia, pedophilia is considered a mental disorder if it is upsetting to the person or if they have acted on their urges with children under 13. It is interesting to note that pedophiles who have never molested children and are not bothered by their attraction are considered to be completely normal psychologically.
Judeophilia, shekeling, or blackmail? Which is it?
I don’t get it. From the sound of it, Americans are just Judeophiles. Polls repeatedly show support for Israel around 50% and often a majority towards 60%. Doesn’t sound good but support for Palestinians is generally ~15% with not much upward trend.
Sure it seems like the US is simply a bunch of Jew-loving fools, fanatical Judeophiles. Well, fine, but that’s pretty stupid. Why don’t we hand the country over to Swedes or Vietnamese, or Hmong, or Cubans, or Japanese, or whoever. What are the Jews? Just another ethnic group; in other words, a tribe of humans. Tell me why they are so special?
To me they’re no more special than the Ingush, the Tigreans, the Karens, the Garifura, the Muong, the Naga, the Yakuts, the Han, the Basques, the Azeris, the Kyrgyz, the Akan, the Mapuche or name any nationality where the people are of a certain type. The Jews are just another pissant little petty tribe of humans that don’t want any special treatment positive of negative. Who cares about them. Sure, but why hand over the keys of the kingdom to this petty and fanatically ethnocentric tribe or ethnic group. What’s the point?
On the other hand, there might be the shekeling. Both political parties are shekeled to the hilt. Jewish money provides 60% of the funding for the Democrats and 30% for the Republicans. Presumably most politicians are taking money from AIPAC, the rightwing organization that encompasses most pro-Israeli organizations in the US.
Every now and then, every President and many Senators make a sojourn to the AIPAC convention to fall all over themselves with their love for the wonderful Jewish people and Israel. The fawning is almost suspect. Are they paid off with campaign contributtions? The fanatical love that US politicians even at the state level have for this shitty little country is hard to figure. There’s something weird about it. It doesn’t seem normal.
On the other hand, are they being blackmailed? The Epstein Affair was a Mossad honeypot operation using underage girls to get powerful US men in business and government on film having sex with underage girls. All of the men having sex with those underage girls were filmed by Epstein. He kept these in a safe.
The FBI reportedly confiscated many of these blackmail tapes. Suspiciously, absolutely nothing has come of it though no doubt there are tapes of many prominent men committing statutory rape or illegal intercourse with underage girls. Why won’t the FBI prosecute these men? What’s up with that? It’s been rumored for some time that Israel is in possession of a tape of Bill Clinton having sex with a 13 year old girl and they used this to blackmail him.
The Epstein operation has been proven to have been run by Mossad. Epstein was a Mossad asset. He was recruited in 1986 and he stayed an Israeli asset for the next 34 years. At some point, he started his blackmail operations. Ghislane Maxwell, his partner in crime, is absolutely a Mossad asset. Her father Robert Maxwell was an out and out Mossad spy. He was one of the richest men in the UK, ran a huge media network and was probably one of the worst men on Earth. A real scumbag. Spent his whole life lying, cheating, thieving, conspiring, sleazing out, backstabbing, and apparently blackmailing.
At some point he was apparently running the same blackmail operation for Israel that Epstein was running. These operations are called brownstones based on the fact that they used to be housed in brownstone buildings. The CIA has reportedly run brownstones with underage teenage girls, boys and possibly even prepubescent children (!!) all over the world for decades.
These are full of cameras and the CIA uses these houses to get powerful men on tape having sex with underage people, hence they are blackmailed by the CIA. Oh, and the CIA runs the US media more or less. The whole US media works closely with the CIA. Look up Operation Mockingbird. So these blackmail tapes can be suddenly leaked to the media should any of the blackmailees prove disobedient to the CIA. A lot of powerful men are being blackmailed this way.
Reportedly, somebody is in possession of a tape of Lindsay Graham having sex with an underage teenage boy and somebody is using this to blackmail him. This might explain his sudden 180 degree flips on various political matters and his wanton worship of some politicians, notably Trump this last time around.
A woman gets molested as a girl? Well, it some cases she just likes it, believe it or not. I’ve met them and they’re not exactly rare. Others didn’t like it but decided to sexualize it as a way to get beyond it. I’ve met them too. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying getting molested consensually as a child and deciding that you enjoyed that experience.
It doesn’t make you a bad person of a “defender of pedophilia” as they say about Milo when he reacted that way to statutory rape with older men when he was a 13 year old gay boy. He loved it. Most gay teenage boys love the sex they have with older men, and up to 1/3 are in a relationship; with an older man at any time. So gay boys absolutely do not get harmed by statutory rape. They love it!
It’s your choice how to react to such things.
We still need to keep it illegal though. In many other cases, she doesn’t like it, but she’s mostly just confused because “it feels good but it’s wrong,” as one woman told me. But she just moves on too. I’ve dated a number of women who were molested as girls. They told me they just got over it.
In fact, studies show that most women just get over it. This is what is in the Reiner et al study that Congress itself voted to condemn, although it was a completely scientific study. And I think the psychological establishment even had a fit over it. Some facts are not ok so they must not be facts! And they call these people “scientists of psychology.” What a joke.
This goes completely against the narrative that getting molested as a kid ruins women for life, and it’s not PC at all to say that. But we should be happy that so many women just handle lousy things that happen to them. What do the PC idiots and feminists want? They want all women damaged for life so they can say child molesting is bad? We already know it’s bad. And so they got over it? So what? That doesn’t make it ok. And the more coercion that was involved, the more likely the woman is to be damaged. However, most child molestation is just that – molestation.
It’s not rape. Most molestation is indeed consensual. The kid usually just goes along with it or gets convinced to go along with it. I’m not sure exactly how this works, not having been molested or molested a kid myself. I imagine the consent aspect is pretty complex. But indeed, most kids do “consent” to getting molested – consent in a psychological sense.
However, they are not consenting legally because we do not recognize a child’s consent as valid. So the lie that “kids can’t consent!” and “minors can’t consent!” all the way down to 17 year old girls two weeks shy of their birthday is nonsense. Of course they can consent and with teenage girls, it’s almost always consensual. So they can consent, but we do not recognize their consent legally. That’s the sane way to say it. “Minors can’t consent” is cucked faggotry. That’s for male feminists and other soyboys. No real man says that about a teenage girl.
Child rape and child molestation are two different crimes. Child rape is quite rare. It’s is often a stranger and a weapon is often involved. The child may well be harmed or even killed. Now that feminists have weaponized the definition of men raping females to include everything but the kitchen sink, all molestation is being seen as “rape.” And all perfectly consensual sex with teenage girls – often initiated by the girl, by the way – is also rape. I guess everything’s rape then! Hey feminists. Is there any kind of male-female sex where it’s not rape on the man’s part? Wondering here.
This is a long-awaited update to the Delphi Murders case. You wonder why I have not published, but it was due to how I was treated. I was reported to the police probably 40 times for being the murderer or for being a “pedophile” (I wasn’t aware that being a pedophile was against the law). I was reported to the IRS 20 times. I was interviewed by a detective as a suspect in the murders. Too bad I hadn’t left California in 3 1/2 years!
I wrote a lot about sexual aspects of the case and this got turned into an idea that I was writing about my sexual fantasies of raping and murdering teenage girls! None of these things other than being the killer would mean anything even if it were true. After all, it’s actions not thoughts that count in this world. But if it makes you feel better, there’s nothing to any of it. I received more death threats than I can count.
Getting down to lesser complaints, it was said that I deliberately made up lies about this case out of whole cloth in order to get more hits! It was said that I was ripping people off by charging for the forum but if you knew the time I put in, I doubt if I made minimum wage.
At first it was free, but we had to get rid of that. See all those posting restrictions on public forums. We were trying to avoid that. We started charging $10 to get in, but we had spies and enemies paying the $10 and then taking our private material out of the group and posting. We went up to $20 to keep spies and enemies out. It worked.
The site’s not monetized so that doesn’t matter, but I have a BA in Journalism and have worked in the field. If there’s one thing that will kill your career, it’s that, and my records clean after decades of published journalism. We charge money for a private forum that met to investigate the crime. There was a tremendous amount of information about the crime there – in fact, it was one of the largest databases for materials about this case around.
We made it private because we were talking about real people as suspects and doxxing people. I’m not sure if there’s a legal liability there, but we were trying to avoid that. It was also done to protect the privacy of our members. Contrary to rumor, we never listed anyone’s name as a suspect for the crime. We did bring up some names but mostly to say that they were cleared or they were not involved. Their names were brought up because they were being passed around.
Some of these people have made it a mission to hunt me down and do unknown threatening things to me. I never realized that pointing out someone was innocent was deserving an ass-beating! We did have one suspect that we were looking at for a long time, but we never published his name one time on this site nor did I publish it anywhere on the Net.
I have never published the names of people we were investigating on the site or anywhere else. Some people got mad because we were looking at them, but don’t worry. We investigated everyone and their brother for this crime. Not many people were off-limits. And of course we looked at family members.
Another rumor says the families hate me. I wouldn’t care if it was true but I do have a good relationship with one of the three parents.
We never had an “secret, special, inside or otherwise sources.” We listed anonymous sources a lot because that’s what we do in journalism! The anonymous sources somehow drove people into a frenzy.
Law enforcement worked with some of us a little bit, but not much. They requested some material from us and we gave it to them. A local sheriff’s deputy was one of the most active members of our group. It was and is extremely difficult for us to get law enforcement (LE) sources, but now and then, we get lucky.
It somehow got out that we had a prime suspect in this case. It was more like my prime suspect. He’s done a number of very suspicious things in relation to this crime, including recording numerous videos inferring that he killed the girls. A lot of his other behavior was suspicious too. Turns out we now feel that he was a dead end and he’s not implicated in the crime.
He’s still a lousy person and he threatened to murder me many times. But he didn’t kill those girls and that’s all that counts. Contrary to rumor, his name was never published one time on this site or anywhere else on the Net. I’d apologize to him but he sent me too many death threats to bother with that and he’s a scumbag anyway. A scumbag? Sure. A homicidal scumbag? Guess not.
Anyway, we recommend that people turn their attention away from this man.
He’s just one of many, of course. There have already been several false confessions in the crime already.
We do have a lot of new information that I have never seen published anywhere but some of the Facebook groups seem to have been privy to some of this data. Anyway, the rest of the world has never heard of it, so here goes.
The motive for the crime has been revealed:
For a long time there was much controversy about whether there was a sexual assault in this crime. I always thought there was because any time a man murders two teenage girl strangers in this fashion, there’s almost always a sexual component, rape, torture, sexual sadism. The rape and torture are motivated by the sexual sadism.
Anyway, the motive for the crime was the rape of Abbie Williams. I will sit back and let that settle for a bit. I don’t have any specifics on what exactly he did to her sexually, but the sex act was definitely consummated, let’s put it that way. I’m not sure if she was raped while alive or dead. That’s unclear.
Both girls appear to have been bound with ropes behind their backs.We know this because Libby German’s fingernails were covered with bruises and dirt. That means she was digging her fingers into the ground behind her back while being assaulted.
Libby German had numerous defensive wounds on her hands and arms. It appears she put up quite a bit of a fight.
The girls were controlled with a gun. You can see the gun clearly in his right jacket pocket. I can’t believe people still think it’s a rumor. A fifth grader could have figured that out. He pulled the gun on them and controlled them with it.
The video of UNSUB (the suspect) was taken by Libby’s cellphone. There were also trail cams active at the time. We do not know what photos, if any, were captured there. The murders themselves may even have been recorded by trail cams, but this is uncertain. An audio of the murders may also have been recorded on Libby’s phone. This is uncertain. Obviously this material cannot be released. The reason only the small snippet of voice recording has been released is that that is all there is. There is a lot of other recording from the phone, but it is all muffled and inaudible.
The girls were both definitely marched across the creek by UNSUB.
The pack around UNSUB’s lap is as we said forever a deer kit. Deer kits contain ~5 different knives that are used to cut up a deer carcass after you kill it. This is a bit disturbing because it implies that he may have seen the girls were like wild animals that get hunted legally every year. We do not know if that is a go-pro on his forehead, and we also do not know if the crime was recorded.
But we are now 100% certain that UNSUB brought his own camera or whatever sort to the crime, and he used to it take pictures at the crime scene.
We are also now certain that Abbie also had a phone during the crime. Her phone also played a role in the crime.
Abbie was raped, correct, and the sex act was completed, that is, UNSUB ejaculated. I don’t have any further details than that nor do I know the nature of the sex acts. Hence, police absolutely have DNA because they have sperm cells from UNSUB’s semen. In addition, they have epithelial cells from UNSUB’s skin. The samples match.
There are reports that the crime occurred over an extended space. Supposedly the “crime scene” starts at the Robinson family’s backyard near the dump spot and extends 1,000 yards to the dump site. We don’t know what that means. Maybe it means he was chasing them as they were running away from him and he was attacking them while they ran. But we still don’t know if this rumor is even true.
It is still not known that the girls were killed at the dump site or that they were murdered on the day they disappeared at all. There are continuing rumors that they were removed from the scene and taken to a barn (apparently the Mears’ barn) where they were kept for some time and then returned to the crime scene, dead.
The Mears barn was prominent in one of our theories for a while and it is interesting that it is coming back.
We had an investigator at the barn and he talked to the owners. He mentioned a rumor that the girls were murdered in the barn and he said that their faces both went hard, cold, and pale. They said nothing. He considered that an ominous sign. Also we did discover a small flower set in the barn that looks like the sort of flowered memorials that are left at death sites along highways.In addition, the barn was absolutely searched by cadaver dogs during the search of Lucas’ property.
The rest of his property was also searched by the cadaver dogs. We don’t know what they found. Keep in mind that none of this means that the barn was used in the killings, but it is only interesting that this old theory we thought was dead and buried has experienced a recrudescence. There is a problem with the barn information at the moment, in that it is all coming from a single source, and some people think she is trying to misdirect theories about the crime. Everything about a barn or that barn is completely speculation at this point.
For the moment, we assume that the girls were killed at the scene. Indeed, reports said, “It was all over in 40 minutes.” That means that they were dead by 3 PM. UNSUB was seen hiking away from the crime scene at 3:15 PM. So you can see, there is also evidence that they were killed at the scene. Arguing against that once again are reports that the site was searched more than once the night before.
In addition, Ron Logan described the crime scene as “pristine.” I assume that this is when the police left, but how many homicide sites are “pristine?” It seems a bit odd. Once again, we have no evidence that they were killed away from the dump site and the theory that they were killed at the site remains the best one.
If they were killed in the barn then they would have been returned to the dump site later, probably in the middle of the night. Investigators discovered the dump site by following two sets of footprints downhill from the graveyard to the crime scene. This descending pair of footprints is not explained and it hard to figure a theory for why they are there.
We now have repeated statements that the dump site was absolutely searched during the searches the night before. There were no girls there when they searched. Of course, maybe the girls were there, and searchers were mistaken that they searched the site.
The crime scene was absolutely disturbed. At least two and possibly more searchers touched the bodies. Two searchers tried to revive the girls by mouth to mouth resuscitation. This seems odd if we were dealing with 21 hour cold corpses. Anyway this has contaminated the crime scene.
There is no evidence that police botched the investigation in any way. Everyone is saying that because that’s what people say when a killer cannot be found. But quite a few killers are very hard to catch even by the best police and a large number are never caught and die with their secrets. A homicide case open for three years or even a cold case is not evidence of a botched investigation. Botched investigations are not common in the US.
As I said, the murder weapons were knives as we knew from the start. Libby had her throat cut so badly that she was nearly beheaded.There was a scarf tied around her neck at the funeral to hide this wound. People have attacked this story endlessly, but it is fact. For one thing, I spoke to Libby’s mother and she verified the wound to me and in tears told me that she was the one who tied the scarf around her neck to hide the wound.
The story that Libby was wearing a scarf at the funeral has also been attacked with attendees saying they never saw a scarf on either girl. However, we are in possession of a photograph of Libby’s funeral. In the photo, you can see her casket and you can make out Libby inside of it. Indeed she has a scarf tied around her neck. We have decided not to release this photo. I assume all of this stuff will come out at some time or another as old crime scene photos of all sorts tend to make their way onto the Net after a decade or two.
There is also a strong rumor that Libby was attacked with a gut knife. A gut knife is included in a deer kit. It is used to for gutting a deer. Libby was stabbed in her abdomen to such an extent that her intestines were protruding from her body. This leads to the horrifying implication that he gutted her body as if it was a dead deer. One wonders if UNSUB is a deer hunter? Additional evidence supporting the story of Libby being gutted in this way is in the form of several reports of detectives in hardware stores a week or two after the crime, asking if anyone had bought a gut knife recently.
There are continuing rumors that the crime scene was staged and that UNSUB left a signature or particular style that was his own at the scene. We reported earlier that UNSUB had stabbed the girls with sticks and branches. Sticks and branches were shoved into both girls’ vaginas and anuses. In addition, Abbie was impaled with a large branch which was plunged into her body right below her solar plexis. The cause of death of Abbie continues to be a single knife wound to the heart.
We heard this rumor first when someone in the community had crime scene photos and published them to his blog the evening of the crime. He thought the killing was some sort of a Satanic ritual and he was the first source about the story of sticks and branches being shoved into the girls’ bodies. We talked about a possible Satanic theme to the crime in early blog posts and were ripped to pieces over it. The reason we wondered about that was due to this young man’s crime scene photos and his description of them.
This rumor was later verified by the wife of a detective. He could not sleep at night and finally broke down and told his wife about the murders. She also stated that sticks and branches were shoved into the girls’ bodies.
Now we have a third source, a detective from a different branch of LE. This confirms once again the story about sticks and branches being shoved into the girls’ bodies. So we now have three sources for that story.
However, there is no evidence for the Satanic nature of the crime. This was only theorized early on due to the bizarre things that were done to the girls’ bodies. Both bodies were staged and posed.
UNSUB may have used some sort of bleach to kill DNA at the crime scene. In the photo, UNSUB has a bottle of something in his left pocket. We could never figure out what it is but it seems to be toilet cleaner. This consists of a lot of bleach. Some substance containing bleach, possibly toilet cleaner, may have been thrown onto the body of at least one of the girls. It was tossed onto her the area of her genitalia and lower abdomen. We don’t know which girl he threw this stuff on.
Abbie was nude below the waist and Libby was completely nude so the killer disrobed the girls.
We published rumors that one of the girls was in the early stages of pregnancy. We have been ripped to pieces over this story probably more than any other. However, we recently were able to verify the story via a sheriff’s deputy in a neighboring county. He said that the autopsy revealed that one of the girls was in the early stages of pregnancy. We are not going to reveal which girl was said to be pregnant but maybe we will later. So we now have many unverified and one excellent verified source for this story.
Perhaps the strangest of the new evidence is that Abbie and the murderer had known each other for 3-4 months before the crime. So she knew her killer and he knew her. He apparently met her on social media. A social media link was reported by police early on. Since he was on her social media, he absolutely knew that both girls were on the trails that day.
There are stories that the journey to the bridge was a last minute decision but we now have information that it had been planned since at least the previous Friday. We have a report that people were discussing Abbie and Libby’s upcoming trip to the bridge at a local bar on Friday night. And there seems to have been continuing discussion over the weekend.
As you can see, the killer was very prepared. He knew exactly where the girls would be and at what time. The idea of a random serial killing is nonsense. The killer has no DNA match in the many databases in the Rust Belt that were searched. But LE may have been able to identify the killer by DNA in some other way.
There is now a story that the killer took photos of the presumably dead girls at the crime scene. Photos of the dead girls from the crime scene were sent to Abbie’s phone after the murders, possibly on the evening of the crime.
This killer seems to be using cellphones and social media. And we can’t find him? Color me confused.
Police may or may not have a particular suspect that they are looking at. We are getting conflicting stories on that. But if they do have a suspect, the killer may be a local. There is also a rumor that the killer may have a close relationship with the girls’ families. This means someone either in the extended families or in their extended friends group. Keep in mind that this not yet v verified. However, a familiar name from early in the investigation of someone in and around the extended families has been mentioned. I do not know if LE actually considers this man to be a suspect.
There are persistent rumors that LE may have a suspect, but simply do not have enough on them to file. We received this information for the first time from an LE officer who works for the Presidential Secret Service, the branch that protests Presidents, their families, and even Presidential candidates. We received this story about one month after the crime.
The implication is that LE have a lot of evidence, but problems with the case have made it difficult to file against any possible murderer. This is presumably making the DA balk at filing charges as DA’s will not take a homicide case to court unless they think they are pretty sure that they can win it.
LE investigated many suspects. They also looked very hard at a family angle.
A well-known and prominent member of one of the families was kept under surveillance by a detective for nine months after the crime.The detective even followed this person when they went on a vacation with their families a considerable distance away. The surveillance ended after 10 months. We don’t know why this person was being investigated and tailed, but apparently LE thought they might have had something to do with the crime. This person is no longer under investigation and LE don’t think he was involved.
First of all, all three of these men were absolutely antifa, but antifa is not a group. Instead it’s an idea. It’s like saying they were all Communists or anarchists. Are you going to make an organization called “Communism” or “anarchism” illegal? See how dumb it is to try to make antifa illegal? Antifa’s not an organization, and you can’t ban an idea. At least not yet. Don’t worry though, the SJW’s are working on it!
First, 37 (not 38 as everyone says) year old Joseph M. Rosenbaum, later Joseph Don Rosenbaum, after a name change. His race is often given as White, but prison records actually list it as Wigger.
I learned quite a bit about this fellow in doing in depth research into this charming fellow yesterday afternoon.
Born in Texas. At some point moves to Pima County, Arizona, where his father appears to be an attorney.
At age 16, he appears to have married in Arizona. He seems to have divorced afterwards, but there’s no record of it.
Around age 18, he enrolls at Pima County Community College, but his time there is short.
At age 18 in 1992, he is sentenced to 12 years in prison on what looks like two counts for Sexual Contact with a Minor, 10 years for one count and 2 years for the other count. I have revised my view of this crime, and I now think he raped a 15-17 year old girl with either force or drugs.
He ends up suing the state for prison conditions a couple of times, once because his toilet overflows. The toilets are terrible in those places, I must say. I think they are designed to overflow.
He gets out in 2014, now aged 30. But he hasn’t learned much as the first thing he does after he gets out is get arrested for absconding on parole. He’s sentenced in 2016 and apparently serves one year for this offense. He seems to act better this time in prison. I did find some documents on this case, but nothing much of interest.
I think for all of these cases, someone would need to go to Pima County Superior Court and do a record search.
He moves to Wisconsin at some point, and he ends up being the father of a two year old child. The girlfriend and child live in Waco, Texas, Rosenbaum’s hometown. When he moves to Wisconsin, he has to register on the Sex Offender Registry, but he’s listed as non-compliant.
He has a conviction for Carrying a Firearm while Intoxicated. He also has a record for the minor crimes of Disobeying an Officer and Disturbing the Peace (Excessive Noise). He was affiliated with an antifa grouping called People’s Revolution. A member of this group has been accused of shooting at a police officer in Wawatosa, Wisconsin. He’s generally considered to be White. We tried to find information to see whether his race was White or Wigger, but we were unable to find any. Please comment with any updates on Grosskreutz’ race.
I find this quite shocking that so many of these White rioters have criminal records. It’s almost like antifa are a bunch of criminals!
This is so perfect. I found this on a men’s rights site. It’s brilliant and I think it explains this latest moral panic about pedophilia and child molesting (and more importantly, the sexuality of teenage girls, which is what it is really all about).
The “popular usage” of the term pedophilia is basically the pedo-scare created by feminists to criminalize healthy and normal male sexuality as many boys who are either in jail or on sex offender lists have now discovered. How many? We don’t know since there are no federal stats on who is actually on those lists, but some local studies point to a very significant percentage of “sex offenders” being kids just fooling around.
Just like the definitions of “rape,” “assault,” “domestic violence” that have been redefined to include pretty much anything a female finds convenient, “pedophile” now effectively means “any guy who is attracted to a woman younger than me.”
Then why have we suddenly felt the need to protect young females from sex more now that feminists are in charge?
Why has there been a sudden ramping up of the legislation ‘protecting’ teenage girls from “abuse” since feminists started gaining real power at governmental level, particularly since 2000? Isn’t a simple EP explanation that it is in feminists selfish gene reproductive interests to limit sexual competition from younger girls by raising the age of consent and creating pedohysteria memes?
And it was 19th century feminists who largely determined that 14 year olds are children – something that would have been considered ridiculous in most of human history and even in much of Europe before 2000.
Pedophilia got hijacked by feminists, expanded well beyond its clinical definition or even basic common sense (like jailing consenting kids or guys who had no reasonable way of suspecting the age of their partners), criminalized to the point of absurdity (sex offender lists for consenting kids having sex with each other? Really?) and used as a “scarlet letter” that needs no proof (RL: And hence is not falsifiable and is also tautological).
It’s the same strategy that led to do the absurdly broad definitions, lack of due process, and blatantly sexist criminalization of “domestic violence,” “sexual assaults,” or “sexual harassment.” They not only smear an entire gender but also keep individual men in a permanent state of subjugation to women. Note that most men would think twice before arguing against an abusive female because they can easily get expelled from school, or lose their job, or get evicted from their home.
The root is deeper in my opinion: the “men only want one thing” is just a special case of “male sexuality is bad” which itself is coming from “men are evil”.
The decades-old smear campaign of lies spearheaded by feminists has basically left the general public with an appalling opinion of men:
Men are considered as pedophiles. Never mind that being attracted to a healthy fertile female is a perfectly normal behavior, and Romeo and Juliet were 14 yrs old or so.
Men are considered as perverts guilty of sexual harassment for looking at a girl with her tits and ass hanging out, but having your tits and ass hanging out in the workplace is somehow not considered perverted or sexual harassment.
Men are considered dangerous to children. Never mind that biological fathers are protectors of their children and have an absolutely incredibly positive influence on them.
If you redefine male sexuality as evil and perverted, then it becomes a rhetorical question. (RL: Absolutely perfect and immaculate.)
Jason: Well, honestly @Robert Lindsay, women are not going to touch men “they don’t like”. In other to get them to like you, you have to show confidence. What these romantic misfits think – is that women “owe them something”. Well, nothing is going to change for these men.
RL: Ok, I am 62 years old. At this point, it seems like when I go out into the world, 0% of the population of women want anything to do with me in any romantic or sexual sense.
I’m banned from flirting with any woman. Any woman I flirt with, I assure you I will get called creep, and I might even get in trouble and get banned from the establishment.
I’m not allowed to touch any women ever anywhere for any reason. If I do, same thing. She will act like she’s going to call the cops.
I’m a goddamned incel for all intents and purposes at this point.
Now you tell me, if I just show some confidence, this is all going to go away, and some women are going to get interested in me?
Jason: Being too negative. Also, a lot of older women are highly sexy. We shouldn’t be so closed-minded. Anyway, they would be attracted by confidence, of course.
Anyway, this gets me to thinking about those older East Asian women that are so hot.
Women my age and up look like shit! Yeah, they look at me but most look like grandmas who belong in a nursing home! Most of them don’t even look human. They look like goddamn wild animals. I look at them and I see hippos, rhinos, water buffaloes, Sasquatches, bison, and wildebeests. I see them and I wonder, “What happened? Was there a zoo breakout? Did the animals break out of the zoo somehow? Why are these wild animals running around in the streets? Isn’t that hazardous? Why don’t the zookeepers come catch them?”
Sorry, I only fuck humans. I don’t do bestiality.
Women my age are on a 1-10 scale just like us men. 8-10 women my age seem to still look fairly good. But they are increasingly rare.
And this is how many of them want to fuck: 0.00000000000%. This is how many of them don’t want to fuck: 100.0000000%. They’re all born-again virgins and prudes. If you start talking sexual with them, they pretty much call you a creep, but they often do it in an adult, polite way like someone who’s dealt with this their whole lives, is used to it, and doesn’t get hysterical about it. They’re basically all #metoo’ers.
Most act like they have no interest in any men and are perfectly happy to be alone. Further, most have horrendous, angry, griping, mean, cold, bitter, cynical personalities. They’re nasty and insulting bitches. What’s crazy is most of them look like complete shit. Everyone knows that the ugly girl has to act really nice if she wants to get a chance of a date. If an ugly girl has an ugly personality, she’s doomed. She has zero positive features. She’s useless for any sort of companionship. So these women are not only ugly but they also have horrible personalities! They literally have nothing whatsoever to offer!
But trust me, even after menopause when 95% of them have their sex drives hit by a nuclear bomb, older women continue to believe they have diamond-studded, gold-plated pussies. They don’t. I’d like to tell them, “You think your pussy is made out of solid gold? Look at it in the mirror sometime. It’s so thrashed most of us barely want to even stick a dick in that monstrosity. At the very least, it’s nothing special anymore.”
On dating sites, older women act like princesses. “All you older men have to fall all over yourselves fighting for my pretty pussy (which you won’t even get to use) because I am just that good. I might respond to you. Maybe. Once I get through this barrage of likes and messages. Fight over me boys! I’m special! I’m a prize! I’m entitled X10!”
And the sad fact is that the best looking ones my age are getting bombarded by men. I was talking to a smoking hot 62 year old. We would message when we got up in the morning and when we went to sleep at night. It was that good. We were almost with each other all day in that sense.
And she acted like she was starting to fall in love of course, which is nearly always the case when you are greeting each other on waking and saying goodnight on nodding. That’s what a married or cohabiting couple does, right? So you’re like a cohabiting or married couple in a sense. And once it gets like that, 95% of the time, she’s falling in love with you, guaranteed. Women can’t get that close to a man without starting to fall in love unless there’s something really wrong with them.
She told me I was one of 30 men fighting for her, and I was in close to first place. Then a couple of weeks later she met some other guy, and he was going to move in in three weeks,and it got cold on my end. Yeah, men my age actually do this. All the time. They meet some woman and in two or three weeks, they want to move in or they are moving in. It almost seems pathetic to me. It certainly seems desperate.
But notice. A 62 year old woman had such a diamond-studded, gold-plated pussy that literally 30 older men with nothing to offer were fighting like little boys over her for her affection. Being pussybeggars. Pretty pathetic ones at that.
So you see, it never ends. Dating sites are 3-1 women to men, and that’s on the best sites. On Adultfriendfinder, it’s 20 women to every man. Good luck ever getting laid on there.
Anyway, yeah. Women my age. Fuck them. I’m a goodlooking man. I am an 8-10 Chad for a man my age. I’ll take an 8-10 woman my age. But none of them want me. And women 18-50 don’t want to touch me. Even a lot of 50’s women don’t want me because I’m too old.
I’m not even allowed to have a sex drive. If I act like I have a sex drive, I’m evil. I’m an evil creep scumbag who needs the cops called on him for even looking at them! That’s how pissed a lot them are that I even dare to look at them.
I’m not allowed to say I’m dating someone. That’s gross, sickening, and repulsive I guess because the idea of me fucking another human at my age is gross, sickening, and repulsive.
Some young women at a store asked what I had been doing, and I laughed and told them the truth. “I’ve been chasing women.” It was true. I wasn’t doing much else. They both immediately said I was coming onto them, that was sexual harassment, and they could report me!
Can you believe that? Telling them that I have a sex drive, date, and have romantic and sexual interests means is sexual harassment! If I do those things, that means I’m human. But at my age pointing out that I am human is sexual harassment.
If I even mention that I might have a date sometime in the future, that’s gross and disgusting, and the conversation is shut down. If I say I recently met a woman who liked me, I get a negative reaction and a conversation shutdown, even from older women. I’m trying to think if there is even one woman out there who would smile and be happy if someone told her I got laid or I had a date or a girlfriend. Most would probably act physically disgusted. Which is weird.
I go out into the world every day looking to get laid, and the whole universe of women rejects me all day long. The best I get is this cold businesslike attitude, but if I try to probe deeper, I get “That’s personal, I can’t tell you that”. So no women is interested in even having a personal friendship with me. They want an acquaintanceship only and even then only with a cold, businesslike where a Wall whenever the relation starts threatening to get a little bit warmer.
What I don’t get about this is that older women tell me I’m goodlooking, “very handsome,” etc. A 40 year old woman recently said, “You’re fucking hot!” A lot of young women I meet online keep telling me I’m handsome, cute, etc. Mostly they say I’m handsome. They range in age from 18-30.
A few underage girls even say it. A 17 year old girl recently told me I was handsome. We were in a chatroom and she said, “Well, I went into the Members to see who was in that room, and I saw you, and I said, ‘Damn! He’s handsome! I think I want to go talk to him!'” But those are in specialized “Younger Women for Older Men” chatrooms. And those are pretty much the only place I can meet women who want me.
On Tinder I was getting young women coming to me all day long, opening with “Hi handsome!”, “You’re cute!”, “Hi cutie!”, etc. At one point, I was getting 4-5 hot young women a day who came to me and quickly told me I was hot and they wanted to go out with me. But then it came down that they would only go out with me if I paid them. Sugar babies. Looking for a sugar daddy.
So at my age, even if I’m hot, nobody really wants to fuck me, and the only people who want to fuck me say I have to pay them to do it. That’s insulting! But it felt good to at least get all those strokes.
So I am at the age where good looks are absolutely useless. Looks are at their sell-by, expiration date. Even if you look great, still nobody wants you. It feels weird as Hell. I’m “totally hot” but you don’t want to fuck, date, or make friends with me? WTF. I think even the best looking man in my age bracket would be ignored by almost all women.
I can’t put into words how painful this is to me. To matters worse, I am an extremely sexual person, a total sex maniac, and a sex addict. I regularly go for 1-2 week periods where it feels like I am masturbating in some way and looking at porn every waking minute. Yeah, I practically jerk off 12-16 hours a day. At 62 fucking years old! Can you believe it? All for nothing.
I am also a friendly person who needs people, but no one wants to be my friend. I am very romantic and almost need to be in love to get up in the morning, but no one wants to fall in love with me. I am a very touchy, tactile person who almost needs touch as much as water to live, and I’m not really allowed to touch anyone, especially any woman, and if I do, it’s #metoo and time to call the cops.
It is true that if I go to those special older man fetish I can definitely meet women in there, women who want to talk dirty, have cybersex,, trade nudes and videos, fall in love, date me, have sex, have a relationship, or come live with them as a partner to her and a stepfather to her kids. So let’s face it. That’s pretty nice. I’m much better off than the typical poor incel. But the whole rest of the world is nothing but a bunch of cold fish.
But outside of those specific fetish rooms, it’s zero.
I have to admit that women are not giving me very good reasons to like them very much. I have a question for you women: Why should I like you all these days? Give me one reason why I should keep on liking you. Give me on reason why I shouldn’t start hating you. Gimme a reason.
Of course they’ve loved me and vice versa for most of my life, so that right there makes me want to like them for the rest of my life anyway no matter how shitty they treat me now.
On the other hand, the world of men is friendly and warm. Especially older men but a lot of younger men are quite friendly too.
So the world of men still likes me (though not as much as before), but the whole world of women either hates, dislikes, ignores, acts merely businesslike and doesn’t want to be friends or even acquaintances, and of course doesn’t want to date or have sex with me. And if I try to so much as talk to them, they act like they’re going to call the police. There’s anything wrong with me. If there were, the whole world of men would be rejecting me too just like the women.
I guess most women really hate us men who are this age.
And @Jason says I’m too negative.
He just won’t swallow the Black Pill. He’s cope, cope, cope, cope, cope. Any lie to keep him from believing the ugly, wicked, and brutal truth.
I don’t blame him, but he’s not talking about reality. He’s talking about a dreamworld that doesn’t even exist and claiming that’s reality. If you disagree it’s gaslighting.
Fine, so why are we making such a big stink about it then?
The rest of the world does not care about child abuse.
You mean child sexual abuse or the rest of it, physical abuse, verbal abuse, psychological abuse?
I do have a feeling that child molestation may be quite common in the rest of the world.
I have heard Indian women say that on reservations, “All Indian girls get molested.” A friend told me the same thing about Indians in Canada.
He also implied that all French Canadian girls get molested.
The notion that pedophilia and child molestation is a White man thing is a big lie made up by White-hating Blacks and anti-White racist woke types. You simply don’t hear of molestation in the ghetto because it’s ubiquitous. Black and Hispanic girls are twice as likely to be molested as White girls are. So much for the “White male molester” meme. I read a few articles on this, and the women were quite honest. A common refrain was “All girls get molested in the ghetto.”
So we see once again very high levels of child molestation in impoverished non-White communities in the West such as ghetto Blacks and reservation Indians.
53% of East Indian girls get molested. Few if any men are ever arrested for this.
We had an actual pedophile on here, and he had relocated to Mexico where he could get away with his behavior better. He posted on the comments about how he was molesting little girls. Probably some of the most shocking comments that ever showed up on this blog. The other commenters all jumped on him and beat him up badly, which was probably appropriate. I didn’t turn him in. He’s in Mexico. That’s not my country. Anyway, I’m not a cop. If police want to go investigate this guy, I’ll help them but I’m not into turning people in to the police. Fuck that.
Anyway this guy did have some interesting things to say. He is the first predatory child molester that I’ve ever conversed with, so his conversation was interesting because you never meet someone like that, and it’s hard to figure out what they are thinking.
In Mexico, he molested a 5 year old girl next door in the bathroom a couple of times. Her mother told her to quit hanging around with him and looked at him suspiciously.
Then he molested a six year old girl next door a couple of times. If you must know, he got these girls to jerk him off in the bathroom, which is probably fairly low on the damage scale. Same thing. Mother said quit hanging around with him and looked at him suspiciously.
He implied that it was basically normal for poor and lower middle class Mexican girls to get molested at some point. It’s just something that happens to girls there and women in those classes just figure it’s something all women go through as girls. Apparently most of them just get over it or accommodate it.
I don’t like the idea of this happening (I’d rather it did not happen at all), but where it’s rife, a lot of women probably just adjust. He said it is so common among these classes that if you go to the police, they just shrug their shoulders and say, “Keep the girl away from him.” Prosecutions are rare, apparently because it’s so common. So most women don’t even bother going to the cops if their girls get molested.
He went to another city where he met some runaway prostitutes who were living in a house together. He told them he was a pedophile, and they said, “No problem,” totally nonchalantly and brought an 8 year old girl out of the house for him. They acted like they did this as a special request pretty regularly. They went under a bridge. She got him off. I don’t want to go into details here but it was fairly similar to what happened to the girls in the bathroom.
The 8 year old girl appeared to be into it, perhaps because she’s come to enjoy it for some odd reason. Perhaps it was fun for her. Girls that age have no sex drive, but perhaps they can learn to enjoy sex like playing on a playground, chasing around with other kids, or swinging on a swing, on that level. I still don’t approve even if they enjoy it. I’m just trying to theorize why they enjoy these activities with no sex drive.
But this got me to thinking. How common is this in the 3rd World? Mexico is heading out of the 3rd world into the 1st. If it’s that bad there, think of how bad it might be in the real 3rd World?
I’m wondering how common this is elsewhere. I’m told that in poor Filipino households, molestation of girls is rampant, possibly even taking the form of rape. Nothing much happens because these slums are such hellholes of crime and despair anyway.
I assume that verbal and psychological abuse is simply normal and legal in most of the world. God knows physical abuse of children may well be too. A lot of tribal people beat their kids pretty bad for no good reason. The kids seem to grow up fine anyway. Thing is in those societies, it’s normal to get beaten as a kid. No one thinks anything of it. So if you say you got beaten as a kid and it fucked you up, everyone looks at you like you’re nuts.
The commenter may be correct that in the rest of the world, psychological and verbal abuse of kids is probably almost normal, and even physical abuse is probably quite common. Remember back to our parents generation? How many men in that generation told you that their Dad used to beat their ass up regularly? Lots of men in that generation got their asses beat by their fathers. I don’t approve of it, but the WW2 generation seemed to come out ok.
I’ve dealt with sexual abuse above. I have a feeling that in the 3rd World, this is perhaps way more common than we want to think.
I think what you are getting at here is that levels of psychological, verbal, certainly physical and definitely sexual abuse are more proscribed here than anywhere else on Earth. We’ve declared war on all of these things. Who else has? No one.
So the levels of such things in the US may well be very low by world standards. Still the scolds won’t shut up about it and go on and on about the “child abuse catastrophe” now somehow morphing normal late adolescent consensual sex into 18 year old “grown men” “molesting” and “raping” 17 year old “little girls” (equivalent to toddlers I guess) who “cannot consent and are therefore always raped every time they have sex (!!),” all teenage girls who get fucked by adult men (the # must be very high) have been “molested” like little girls, and all of them are now somehow damaged for the rest of their lives!!
Jason: The human mind is tricky. We don’t know what really harms someone. I do think verbal abuse does, but so much of that is people who have it coming.
I think child sexual abuse is very bad because it breaks trust with kids. I think what really is going on is that the guy doing it is someone they don’t like. It’s kind of like when men are cowards and women despise and henpeck them.
Nonetheless, I am not advocating legal child exploitation of any form. I mean, even if the guy is a trusting guy there are certainly limits of what he should be able to do to the child – JUST BECAUSE.
I hate to say this. I think some people who molest kids really love them. And nobody believes this but most pedophiles truly do love kids. Some don’t and are harmful to them, but if you spend any time studying pedophiles as I have, including reading on their forums, you will see that a lot of them absolutely adore children, especially the girl lovers.
Many say that they would be happy just hugging and cuddling with little girls. I suppose if they just kept it to that, I’m trying to figure out how it might be harmful, but there’s always the risk that they might escalate.
I’m not so deep into this insane New Prudery to think that adults hugging and cuddling with kids, especially if it is a parent figure, is going to harm them somehow.
I have heard of two cases of molestation in the family where both parents molested and had sex with the kids, and I did think these parents loved their kids. The kids went along with it and seemed to love it too. I’ve heard about a family where the uncles and cousins molested and had sex with the girls, and the girls seem to be into this too.
These are called Loving Families, and believe it or not, I have now met three different women who were members of these weird things called Loving Families.
Two were 18 years old.
One was 18 years old, the oldest of three sisters. The parents had molested her and were currently molesting or having sex with all of her sisters. The parents started them at age 5. The girls also had sex with the fathers’ friends. I talked to this woman from a far off land for a little while until she send me some highly illegal material (you can guess what it was).
I blocked her immediately but I didn’t report her to the website. I’m softhearted and she was very kind and sweet to me, so why ruin her life? She lived thousands of miles away, and everyone seemed to be having a good time, no matter how weird it was.
Quite some time ago, I talked to an 18 year old girl from Pennsylvania who was part of one of these families where the uncles and male cousins molested the girls. She had two sisters, one 9 and one 14. I think they started her at age 8. I didn’t turn her in. Everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves.
Thing is when they start them early like that and make it a family affair, I hate to say it but the girls seem to enjoy it. Perhaps they wrap everyone in to a secrecy pact. You tell the police and your Mom and Dad and maybe your sisters, cousins, and uncles go to prison for the rest of their lives. Who wants to do that to their own family?
I met another one, a 24 year old woman. Her mother and father had molested and had sex with her since, yep, age 5. She continued to have sex with the stepfather. She was the one who introduced me to the phrase Loving Families. I didn’t turn her in either. She seemed to have enjoyed this and didn’t seem to be harmed by it.
I have no idea what to do about this extreme weirdness. I don’t want to live in a society where most kids grow up in crazy families like this. I don’t want it to be the norm where most kids get molested. But the kids in these families do not seem to be being harmed, and even as adults, they carry on. This whole thing is beyond my paygrade, I’m afraid. I’m also wondering how common this weird stuff is.
I haven’t any idea about molestation outside the family. I know two women who got molested by pedophiles. Both were 50 years old and had completely gotten over it and perhaps had been over it for a very long time. They had a “so what” attitude about it. They told me that the pedophiles were pleasant enough. It wasn’t an act of hatred, contempt, cruelty, or evil. Perhaps many are tender and kind to the kids. But that doesn’t make it an ok thing to do!
You see, pedophiles actually think that what they do with kids is good for the kids. It’s not true in most cases, but this is probably what they have to believe to continue to have this orientation. Anyway, it is part of the “package” that comes along with pedophilia – the notion that little kids are not harmed by sex with adults.
I can’t think of any reason we adults should be molesting the little children. It’s always going to go on, so we should try to lessen the harm of it in any way we can. I can’t see how it could be a good idea to let adults do this to kids legally though. This behavior would explode. I don’t care whether the kids get harmed or not. I simply don’t want to live in a world where getting molested is a normal part of children’s growing up processes.
I think a lot of the family stuff with the fathers molesting the girls is pretty abusive, and the girls don’t seem to be into it, but it’s not true in all cases.
I knew a woman who was molested by an older teenage brother starting at age 5. She didn’t seem to be harmed by it, and she was very apologetic and protective towards him. He’s now a relatively famous millionaire real estate developer with his own mansion and private helicopter, and he appears in the society pages regularly. And he’s virtually a child molester!
I know a woman, aged 56, who was molested by her father and most definitely was not happy about it. She was still angry about it many decades later.
I met another women who had been molested by her father starting at age 5, believe it or not. And she claimed to have completely enjoyed it.
I met a woman from an African country whose boyfriend was her father. They had been together since age 11, and she was 23 now. She was working as a prostitute. Apparently she was very much in love with her father.
It’s obvious that there are girls who get molested and somehow or other enjoy it and they continue to feel this way far into adulthood. It’s a toxic issue and obviously it can’t be discussed. It might be nice to do some research to see how common this reaction is though.
Probably because I hang out on porn blogs and in porn chatrooms, I’ve met a number of women who had positive experiences with this sort of thing, but maybe my sample is biased because of where I meet these women. It’s not uncommon at all for women who have porn blogs to say they enjoyed being molested. Some have even turned them into a theme for their blogs. The theme is “I was molested and I liked it.” The porn posts tend to be a lot of older man very young woman stuff, and the men are often decades older. They often have captions labeling the older men as fathers and the young women as daughters, so there’s an incest tie-in.
You certainly hear about a lot of girls getting harmed by Daddy or Uncle molesting them, but I simply haven’t met many of them. I’d love to talk to some to get another perspective. If you know any women who had this reaction and want to talk about it, send them my way, please.
In a lot of these cases, the father or other men molesting the little girls are not pedophiles, and the molestation seems to be part of a larger pattern of abuse, verbal, psychological, physical, and then the sexual gets tossed in too.
There was a very famous child porn case in the last couple of decades involving a bodybuilder father who had custody of his little girl who made videos of him having sex with her. The father said that he and the daughter were “having a love affair.”
I know what was in the movies, but for God’s sake, I’m not going to tell you, and Hell no, I haven’t watched them. I can’t even remember the names of the videos. They are all named after the girl who was in them and they are quite famous.
I did watch a perfectly G-rated clip from one of those movies. It shows the girl sitting in a chair for 5 minutes or so. She may be answering questions. Actually that clip really disturbed me because she was so little, and you knew what was going to happen later. She’s very young in the tape, maybe 9-11 years old, and that’s most what makes the tape so shocking and upsetting.
The girl became very famous because the movies got distributed all over the world. Supposedly 5 million people watched them. In the videos people said you that could see that this girl really did love her father. Well, she probably did love her father. At the time.
Later on this girl got teased all through junior high and high school about being a world-famous child porn star, and it got to her after a while. As a woman she changed her mind and decided that she had been molested after all, and that it was not cool. She developed the typical post-molestation symptoms of guilt, shame, confusion, etc.
She sued 1,5oo men who downloaded her videos for everything they had. She took one man for millions. People on the Net were criticizing her for being out for money and claimed that she was obviously enjoying the sex with her father at the time. Sure she was, but she wasn’t enjoying it later on, and the “later on” is the important part. I’m not particularly troubled that she took these guys for a lot of money. She did get harmed after all.
When kids are molested, most of the time they are not traumatized. This is another giant myth. A woman psychologist wrote a book called The Trauma Myth about this very fact. She found that only 8% of molested kids were traumatized by the experience.
The thing about child molestation is the kid generally just goes along with it.
If they don’t, it’s child rape, and that is not common in typical molestation cases. This creates quite a scene and sooner or later others in the house will find out. In Satanic Abuse Rings, yes, the children are absolutely raped. Child rape is more of a stranger crime by a misophile and often involves kidnapping and the use of a weapon. It can be extremely harmful for the child, much more harmful than run of the mill molestation, and the damage can definitely extend into adulthood.
The general emotion that molested kids feel is confusion. This is because, yep, it feels good. Little girls are capable of orgasm from an early age even if they have no sex drive, so sexual stimulation can be very pleasurable to them. I knew a woman who got molested at age 8 by a church youth leader. She told me,
It’s confusing because it feels good, but then it’s wrong.
The girls often enjoy the physical aspects of the molestation, and the fact that they enjoyed it is the cause of a lot of guilt later on. Forums for adults molested as children are full of women feeling guilty over this, and this is one of the main problems to be dealt with in therapy later on.
People who were molested do tend to feel guilt. They often feel that the molestation was their fault and that they were somehow to blame for it.
Adults molested as children also feel a lot of shame over the experience.
These are the three dominant emotions that these kids feel: confusion, guilt, and shame.
Often the full effects of the molestation are not felt until adulthood when the adult begins to think over the child abuse and have second thoughts about it. Whereas younger people up to university age are often apathetic or noncommittal about being molested, as they get older, it often starts to bother them. They start thinking that the molestation was not ok after all, that a very bad thing was done to them, etc. And then, yes, the psychological harm occurs.
Actually this happens all the time, especially with teenage girls.
In days of old, teenage girls had sex with men, mostly young men but sometimes older men, and not a thing ever came of any of it. I lived all through the 1970’s and never heard of one teenage girl being specifically harmed by having sex with an adult man. I suppose if there was coercion involved, she might not like it, but even in the Roman Polanski case where he actually raped her, she got over it right away, doesn’t care about it now, and doesn’t even want him prosecuted.
Teenage girls back then were no more likely to be harmed by sex with a man than with sex with a teenage boy. There was this cultural idea that teenage girls having sex with men was not specifically harmful in and of itself, so most teenage girls simply consumed that message and decided that they were not harmed.
In cultures all over the world before 1900 and even in the last century to today, teenage girls often married men. In fact that’s been the way of mankind for almost all of our existence. No specific harm was ever reported to the teenage girls from any of this, and I have been over all the old records.
Before 1900, there was no notion that teenage girls were harmed by these relationships. In societies that allowed this sort of thing, no specific harm was ever recorded from teenage girls having sex with men. I have also studied anthropology extensively, and I have never found a single society anywhere on Earth that used to allow this sort of thing but gave it up because it harmed the teenage girls.
And even in the US through the 1970’s, this was the case.
Now, where the teenage girls were manipulated, abused, or there was a lot of sleazy lying and coercion involved by the men, sure, the teenage girls will get harmed by these relationships, but teenage boys do this to teenage girls too, and men to all of this to adult women. Females who are manipulated, abused, lied to, cheated on, etc. with the use of sleazy and coercive techniques in relationships with males seem to get damaged. Age has nothing to do with it. It doesn’t matter if it’s a teenage girl or a woman or a teenage boy or a man.
Anyway, nowadays there is this attitude that every time a man has sex with a teenage girl, a “child rape” or “child molestation” of all things, has occurred. The teenage girl never had sex with the man – she’s always just abused no matter how much she was fond of or loved the man. It’s always harmful to the teenage girl, even if the man was 18 and the girl was 17. The vast majority of American idiots actually believe this nonsense.
This is backed up by all sorts of non-facts such as:
“Teenage girls are ‘children’ and hence are not able to consent to sex.”
Prove it. Why can’t boys consent either or can they? If they can’t consent, how about arresting the teenage girls who “take advantage of”, “rape”, “abuse”, and “molest” these poor horny as Hell teenage boys? How can teenage girls consent with teenage boys but not with men?
“Teenage girls’ brains are not fully developed yet.”
Neither are teenage boys’ brains. Brains don’t finish developing until age 27, so let’s ban sex til then, right?
“It is an inherent imbalance of power, and all imbalances of power are abusive and harmful.”
Prove it. Life is all about power imbalances. Many unbalanced relationships have been recorded all through the history of man, and they were not harmful at all.
“It is inherently abusive and harmful for the teenage girl.”
Prove it again. Why would it be? And wouldn’t people have gotten rid of it a long time ago or at least talked about how bad it was if this were true?
“It robs the teenage girls/young women of their childhood/teen years/youth.”
This BS gets extended all the way into adulthood to where a woman who spends her twenties with older men supposedly “destroys her youth” – how this occurs is never explained. It’s not much true for teenage girls either. Why the teen and young adult years must be spent amongst one’s idiotic peers is never brought up.
Obviously the girl or even young woman is going to mature much faster with a man than with those her age. He is giving her a jump-start on life by teaching her all about life, wisdom, mental health, personal growth, social skills, and maturity/immaturity, not to mention the wealth of knowledge he will impart to her.
It is beyond me how her peer friends who have to blindly tumble through these tunnels on their own with their clumsy peers and take much longer to figure these things out (assuming they learn them at all) are somehow better off than this girl or young woman who is getting a massive jump start on life with an older man.
The upshot is that teenage girls weren’t harmed by this sex in the past, and they’re not harmed by it now. There’s nothing specifically harmful about this type of sex for humans. Any harm that occurs is socially constructed.
So you tell teenage girls that this sex harms them. They go ahead and have it, find it’s a lot of fun, and they’re confused. Then they become adults, and they think back and get regret-raped and “realize that it was really abuse all along.” Then they get some truly insipid time-bombed trauma from this new realization that it really wasn’t fun after all and really it was abuse and rape all along. A lot of completely unnecessary and uncalled for damage then results. I’m sure all of this manufactured pathology is great for therapists though. More crazy people means more business.
If you get involved with any legal teenage girl as an older man, you really have to be careful of this nowadays. If you get with any legal girl under 18, there’s a very high chance of this bullshit happening, so be forewarned.
I am a bit worried myself that some of these legal teenage girls (18 and 19) I dated recently are going to get regret-raped later on from the brief affairs they had with me and will come back to me later railing about how I destroyed their life no matter how much fun and pleasure we had when we were together.
The point is simple. If something is not inherently harmful (as most things are):
If you tell people it’s not harmful, no one gets harmed because they consume the cultural message that it’s not harmful and feel like idiots if they tell people they got harmed by something that’s not harmful.
If you tell people it is harmful, many people who would have been unharmed in the past now get automagically harmed simply because they were told it was harmful, so they essentially create harm and damage out of the experience and impose it upon their psyche.
Bottom line is that a lot of “interpersonal harm” is simply socially constructed, or in many cases, simply “made up” altogether. Not a whole lot of things are scientifically proven to be inherently damaging to the psyche.
It sounds cruel, but in many cases if you got harmed by some experiences, frankly it is because you chose to experience it as harmful because you wanted to see it that way. Because you needed this to be harmful, you deliberately created a lot of harm from the incident (basically simply “made it up”) and then imposed it on your psyche because you needed to feel hurt by this for whatever reason.
In that sense most of us humans probably have a masochistic element to our psyches which is much more pronounced in females than in males, as if that weren’t obvious to anyone.
As I mentioned in a previous post, most if not all pedophiles believe that kids are horny as Hell, want to have sex all the time and especially want to have sex with adults. They claim all sorts of evidence in favor of this notion. Obviously, considering their orientation, this is a convenient thing for them to believe, right?
I read this a while back and was very dubious about it, so I did a lot of research to see if what the pedos were saying was true – mostly, do little girls really have a sex drive and come onto men?
I didn’t have any personal data of my own. There was none from my childhood, but girls didn’t like me then anyway, not that I cared since most of them had cooties anyway.
After age 13 and into adulthood, I had lots of contacts with kids. I worked in schools for over a decade. I taught school for six years, all grades. I’ve spent a lot more time around kids than most people have. In that time, some teenage girls definitely came onto me. Some even openly propositioned me right in front of the whole class. But those were teenage girls with the full-blown sex drives of women, as different from little girls as lions are from tigers.
Once a 12 year old girl who I had befriended the previous year in my job at an elementary school literally propositioned me for sex in a park. I turned her down of course. But based on a few things I gathered from our conversation, she was also pubertal and past menarche, so she doesn’t count.
I would think that if little girl children really wanted to have sex with us men, I would have experienced it by now. I’ve experienced more than enough teenage girls and grown women who acted horny around me. If girls did this regularly too, I should have gotten it from them. Also, I’ve been around far more kids than 95% of men.
So based on my own life, I was thinking this is pedophile bullshit. But I had to find out. So I did some work.
It was very hard to find the data (probably due to pedo hysteria), but what little I came up with said no, little girls have no sex drive whatsoever, and nor do little boys for that matter, and neither should they, either of them.
And I don’t have any data, but I don’t even think little girls get wet, although it’s an interesting question but I’m terrified to ask anyone about it. Imagine trying to ask someone a question about that! Better yet, try getting funding for research into that question! Good luck!
Four months before menarche, there is a massive increase in the capacity of the vagina for lubrication. This is an essential part of the female physical sex drive along with admoninal tingles, hardened nipples, flushed cheeks, rapid breathing, and the rest of the ill-defined soup that no one understands, not even women themselves.
I’m sure little girls have discharge. All females do. Chafing is a thing. To prevent that, the vagina likes to be bit wet. To test it, sometime when you are with a naked woman (if you ever get lucky enough to get with one), sneak your finger into her vagina for as long as she lets you.
Don’t be soy and ask permission. Be a man, dammit! Just fucking do it! If she doesn’t like it, she’ll stop you. You will find that even if she is not turned on at all, it is a bit wet. That’s its natural state. I just figured this out for the first time a couple of years ago, believe it or not. The vagina likes to keep itself a bit wet, and it also engages in constant self-cleaning processes, and both are related. But discharge isn’t lubrication. They’re two completely different things.
I think this delusion – that little kids are horny as Hell and are just dying to have sex with adults, no doubt especially with pedophiles themselves, must be one of the main delusions that go along with pedophilia. I guess it’s hard to be a pedophile if you realize, correctly, that little kids have no interest at all in having sex with you. Gay pedophiles believe the same thing. They insist that little boys are horny as Hell and get erections all the time. I sure wasn’t and I sure didn’t. Some even say that little boys can ejaculate. There’s no way that’s true.
I suppose the truism here is that people believe whatever they need to believe to make their view of the world (which includes their sexual orientation) work and be logical. It’s not much fun to realize that your basic view of the world, your ontology, your whole set-up and outward orientation towards reality, is a Goddamned gigantic lie. It’s such a miserable thought that it’s almost enough to make you go down and purchase a gun and buy it that very day. We simply can’t live with such utter futility. So we make up whatever lies we have to make up to make it seem like our existence is rational and not doomed and senseless.
Perhaps it’s how we get through the day. Perhaps if we don’t do that, we simply don’t get through the day. And when it’s all said and done, the one thing that remains about all the rest is blown to dust is that whatever we need to do to make it to another day is about the most precious possession we have.
Greg Rambo: Has Highbrow ever taken on the subject of Scientology? They seem to think that whatever you accuse them of, that means you’re guilty of the accusation yourself.
I don’t know much about it.I would like to look into it. I have a book on it and I dipped into it, but you know me. I’m reading like 200 books at any given time probably.
I’m running into this “What you accuse other people of, that’s what you are.” It’s really upsetting to me.
I stumbled across a child porn pic the other day on Queera I mean Quora of all places.
Ok, the pic was this little girl on a bed. Who knows, maybe she’s five years old? Bare-ass naked. Not necessarily a big deal. Humans are animals and when we take off our clothes, we are naked. That’s called our natural state. There’s nothing obscene or evil about some kid with their clothes off. It’s a perfectly natural state for a young human being to be in. Not evil at all. You think it’s evil every time some kid takes their clothes off to take a bath or a shower? What’s in God’s name is wrong with you?
Below that he had two posts which are instructive for showing us how these guys really think.
The first post is a fantasy of his that I doubt took place. He describes graphically how when he was 12 years old, he had sex with his eight year old sister. It was pretty explicit and I could reprint that here legally, but I won’t because it’s gross. Most 12 year old boys have not reached semenarche yet, so I doubt if the story is true. More likely a fantasy. Then he says something about how he wants to do this to an eight year old girl right now. This is typical thinking for these guys.
Next was a comment about how lots of men want to have sex with teenage girls (no shit), and then he adds that lots of men even want to have sex with pre-pubertal little girls (probably not a whole lot, but also probably way more than you want to think). He then added that a lot of little girls are horny as Hell, get very wet, and are dying to have sex with adults. If you spend any time around these guys, you hear this over and over. Fantasies about wanting a little girl to come onto them. Endless testimonies about how little girls are horny as Hell and come onto men all the time.
I got so mad that I called up the hotline and reported the sonofabitch. No good deed goes unpunished. My brother heard about and called up my Mom and told her, “Bob looks at child porn.” My Mom was and is absolutely hysterical about this. “Don’t go to those websites!” Except Queera is a just a regular website like Facebook. Is Facebook a child porn site? Queera doesn’t even allow real porn or even erotica.
Some sick fuck pedophile (the real kind) put that pic on his profile along with two other completely pro-pedophilia (the real kind) posts. I’m sure that all of my enemies who read this are going to run around shouting that Lindsay admitted that he looks at child porn.
Look what happens when you try to do the right thing. You run across some sick shit on the Net, so, like a good citizen, you report it to the authorities. The fact that you did this makes you a proven pedophile and a consumer of child porn.
Bottom line is creepy pictures of little girls don’t cut it. There’s plenty of that out there. It’s hard to describe but it’s pretty little girls often in some rather skimpy clothes. They are often posing seductively and sometimes they have their tongue hanging out of the side of their mouth. Gross, huh? Sure, but it’s all completely legal.
If they have their clothes on, it’s pretty much legal. Nevertheless, there have been some recent very bad rulings that found that even pics of clothed little girls could be CP. These rulings were very bad because just looking at the rulings, it would be very hard to say exactly what is legal and what is illegal.
Even nudes of little girls are often legal if they look natural enough. It’s disturbing but it’s quite legal. There are nudist sites all over the Net with pics of kids, teenagers, and adults bare-ass naked. All completely legal.
That’s for children’s pics with no sex involved. Once you get sex involved, it’s a whole new ballgame, and any photos of kids having sex, either with themselves (masturbation photos are illegal), each other, or with adults, are absolutely illegal. They can’t even be posed with an adult looking like they are about ready to have sex. I could describe pics like that I saw and reported, but I don’t want to gross you out.
CP cartoons (including manga and hentai) and 3D are mostly legal. In some places like Germany they are illegal. In other places like Japan they are completely legal. In the US, it’s mixed. Apparently it’s illegal to create them but it’s not illegal to possess them, as if that makes sense. The clothed models have been a mess ever since the terrible Black Cat Scans case. In that case, the men who created the website went to prison, but the 25 million who went to the site and downloaded the pics got off scot free.
It’s generally considered a miscarriage of justice, especially because when those men, who happened to be of a certain (((type))), made that site, they checked out the law and figured that the site was completely legal. And it was. But after the site had been up a few years, the government decided absolutely criminally to try to redefine CP to include the Black Cat Scans which had previously been excluded. So those guys got blindsided. It’s as if spitting on the sidewalk has always been legal. So you spit on the sidewalk from time to time.
One day the Feds decide to reinterpret some vague law called “Antisocial Behavior” to include “Spitting on the Sidewalk,” although that act had never been included before. So you get taken to court and the Feds make the case that under their new interpretation of the Antisocial Behavior law, they now include Spitting on the Sidewalk, though it was always legal before. They try the case and some hack judge convicts you for a crime you weren’t even aware was illegal.
Bottom line is you can possess all the clothed model pics you want to (But why would you want to?) but I guess you can’t make websites putting them up there and charging people to see them. I guess.
Clothed models are usually little girls around pubertal age (11-13) dressed up in some pretty dirty clothes (like lingerie) and posed in some pretty dirty positions (guess). They’re creepy as all get out, but it’s not CP. Most of the girls were from impoverished families in rural Russia. In every case, their mothers got them involved in the modeling.
A number of the girls got followed up and by 18-20, almost all of them had married the local rural Russian thug and already had at least one kid. Some were single Moms already. There was an uproar when the men went to prison. 20-40 former models all made videos testifying to the fact that they were not harmed at all by this modeling and how well the photographer had treated them.
The photographer had treated all of the girls and their mothers very well and there had been no sexual behavior at all between him and the girls. The girls and their mothers were all very fond of him. The videos are still sitting up on Youtube if you are interested. It’s a pretty sorry case all around.
Central to weird CP theory is that CP is the portrayal of a crime and hence is illegitimate. Except shooting clothed model pics isn’t a crime, so strike that one out.
Next is the argument that the girls are harmed by being photographed even if there is no sex involved. This applies to pics of girls alone nude and posed in various ways. Merely by getting posed that way and having photos taken and certainly if they know the photos are on the Net for anyone to see is enough to cause harm. That’s an interesting argument.
But for the clothed models, the photographs were basically legal, the girls were clothed, and no girl was harmed by getting pics taken of her.
Where’s the crime?
Next we see how CP law keeps creeping upward and upward to encompass more and more things.
No crime? No matter. Girls not harmed at all and quite willing? No matter.
Because a brand new idea has been thrown out. The concept of a record of a crime and harm to the girls is dead because now we have new reasons!
The new reasons say that “CP” is bad even if there is no crime, no girls were harmed because the material is being used by pedophiles to masturbate to. Which I guess is evil or something. This is how they roped in the cartoons and the 3D stuff. No crime of course. And no harm of course. Hell, there are not even any real humans to be victims of a crime or to be harmed! The things being victimized by crime and harmed are pictures, drawings, and 3D graphics. They’re not even real people! They’re completely fake!
But now they’re illegal too because they turn pedophiles on. That seems a dubious reason to make something illegal.
How bout if a man takes photos of boys walking to and from school?
How about a man who orders a video of little girls during majorette exercizes?
And how about if these men are pedophiles who use these perfectly harmless photographs to masturbate to pedo fantasies? So what? What’s wrong with that? But, guess what? Feds (FBI jerkoffs) have arrested men for possessing photos they took of boys walking to school and for ordering videos of girls doing majorette exercizes.
Because pedos were using them to jerk off. That misinterpretation of the law seems very wrong, sorry. That’s absurd. Also, you are arresting men for thought crimes. After all, the photos and videos are only illegal because of the thoughts that go through these men’s heads when they look at them.
Ridiculous. If I look at those same videos (not sure why I would but anyway) I would most certainly not experience sexual fantasies about either the girls or the boys. So I get to possess this material because it doesn’t turn me on (because I don’t have illegal thoughts), whereas these pedos go to prison for possessing the same material, apparently because they have illegal thoughts while looking at the material.
Back to the female who got solo photos of her taken as a child. What if the female is not aware that her pics are out there? People are looking at them and she hasn’t a clue? How is this automagically harming her? Osmosis? Via another dimension? Some psychic mechanism. Clue me. She’s not being harmed by the people looking at her pics.
Another argument is that even if the female is not aware her pics are out there, the mere memory of her having those pics taken as a girl is going to continue to harm her, assuming she even remembers such things. That’s a better argument, but that harm is going to take place whether the pics went up in flames and are gone or whether they are in 10,000 places on the Net, right?
Als,o believe it or not, I met a woman who was molested and later had statutory rape committed against her by her uncle and his friends from ages 12-17. They took videos of the whole thing. She has reconciled herself to what was originally a trauma by deciding that this was fun and it turns her on.
She’s actually looking for the videos now, which seems a bit dangerous. Well, there’s one woman who had pics taken at age 12 and doesn’t care. Furthermore, she presents an interesting case. Yes, the videos portray a crime. Sure, she was legal from 16-17 so all this sex was legal at that point. But shooting videos of it wasn’t. She was still underage and although she can consent to sex, she can’t consent to making porn, which is probably a good idea.
We need an 18 to do porn law because as soon as we start lowering that number, the Net will be flooded with the newly legal girls. Now you can do porn at 17? Fine. Except in a week the damned Internet will be flooded with “17 year old girls doing hardcore porn!!!” Because pornographers have no basement on sleazy. They’ll go as low as you let them. I don’t particularly care about teenagers making this stuff consensually and people looking at it at home. But keep it off the damned Internet!
But the girl was going along with it quite happily, so one wonders what the big deal is. Further, the girl is not being “revictimized” by this videos being out there because by her own admission, she likes these videos.
I don’t know what to say. Considering her age, most of those videos could well be floating around anyway. After all, hardcore with 14-17 year old girls is said to be everywhere on the Net, mostly unlabeled. No one seems to care much. But the early stuff is creepy. I don’t want videos of grown men having sex with 12-13 year old girls legally floating around on the Net. I don’t care if she likes them. I don’t care if she didn’t get hurt and isn’t getting hurt by them. I just don’t want that crap out there on the Net. Maybe if you keep it your drive to yourself, it might be ok. But I don’t want that garbage floating around legally.
What about the case of creep shots and surreptitiously taken photos of little girls and teenage girls. That stuff’s out there too. In this case, the female doesn’t even know anyone took pics of her. Furthermore, she probably doesn’t even know if her pics are floating around. It’s really hard to make a case that she got harmed at all by some creep using a hidden camera. Sure it’s an invasion of privacy but the person doesn’t even know their privacy got invaded, so what of it? I guess it probably ought to be legal but I’ll be the first to say the pics are creepy and uncool.
I watched a video of some Qanon conspiracy theorist going on about the “Tom Hanks is a pedophile” story. He wouldn’t be a pedophile even if it was true because he seems like regular women just fine. Also the girl was 13 if what she says is even true. That’s too old for pedophiles. That’s called statutory rape, although, yes, in some states like California, it’s called child molestation.
That’s a bad law though because 13 year old girls are almost all pubertal. Menarche in the US now hits at age 13, and the physical sex drive comes on about four months before menarche. Prior to that I do not believe that girls have any physical or psychological sex drive at all. Kids simply don’t have a sex drive like we adults do. I don’t think boys have a sex drive either. I sure didn’t. I think I thought about sex maybe five minutes a year as a boy.
Anyway, there’s a woman out there who says that her father sold her to Tom Hanks at age 13 as a sex slave for Mr. Hanks. Well that’s one thing. Not only that but a mind-controlled sex slave, which is a concept I find dubious. I have no idea if she’s telling the truth. You’ve got me.
The video tries to make the case that Hanks puts international pedophilic codes into his tweets. I have no idea if that is true or not either. He tweeted a photo of a lost glove next to SRC USA. You put that into the Russian search engine Yandex, and you get a bunch of (apparently legal) pedophile sites. The man in the video proceeds to report all the sites to the hotline, but all of those sites were legal because every pic I saw on there was 100% legal.
In the Epstein/Maxwell affair, the accusation from Virginia Giuffre (VG) is that she was ordered by Epstein to have sex with Prince Andrew a couple of times in order to gain blackmail material on him.
The faggots and cucks on Reddit are all screaming that Andrew committed “child rape.” “He raped a child!” they scream. What a bunch of homos. A recent post on Reddit ordered everyone to stop calling the “victims” of the “abuse” young women. “They were little girls!” the gays all screamed. Really? A 17 year old girl is a “little girl?” Have any of these dickwads ever met, spoken to, and spent time with an actual 17 year old girl? I have. They’re virtually adults. Hell, a lot of 16 year old girls and even a few 15 year old girls are practically adults for all intents and purposes.
Especially past 17 1/2, there’s not a whole lot of difference between them and an 18 year old adults. They’re inexperienced, they don’t know what they are doing, they’re awkward and clumsy when it comes to flirting and sex, but they’re very enthusiastic. Getting down to brass tacks, they are often quite immature, but I would call them more “very immature women” than girls. It’s far more of a woman than a girl, that’s for sure.
Next we look at the rape allegation. Supposedly Prince Andrew “raped” this girl! These Reddit “men” actually believe this feminist shit where half of all normal sex is rape. Good God, they’re queers.
She never tells us how the sex started with Epstein and Maxwell. Was she raped? Was she talked into it? There are allegations of “sex trafficking.” Sex trafficking means you are being held prisoner, you can’t really leave, or they are making it hard for you to leave by coercing you into staying somehow and threatening you with consequences, often violence, if you try to leave. Sex trafficking is sex slavery. You’re being held prisoner. It’s very much tied in with pimping, and Epstein was mostly a pimp before he was anything else. Maxwell was a madam, in effect a female pimp.
Was VG really a sex slave? How? That means she was being held prisoner? She was? How was she a prisoner? Giuffre was coerced into staying? How? Giuffre was threatened if she tried to leave? How?
I’ve been over this story for a long time. Giuffre never states that she was raped one time. She just says Epstein told me to have sex with this guy, so I did it. That’s perfectly legal because she was legal when he was doing that. Apparently this girl likes to follow orders. She’s a grown woman now, right? She still likes to follow orders? Tell her to come over and I will give her some sexual orders to obey, ok?
It’s not enough to say “I was Epstein’s sex slave.” She was legal. How exactly did Epstein make her his sex slave? He said, “You are my sex slave. You shalt obey me, miss.” And this fool girl believed that? Well, that’s legal.
Prince Andrew had sex with this girl in Virgin Islands. She was legal, 17. AOC is 16 in Virgin Islands. Someone explain to me how it is rape and sexual abuse to have consensual sex with a perfectly legal girl. I’m dying to know. VG was legal everywhere she had sex with Andrew. She was legal in New York. She was legal in New Mexico. She was legal in the UK. Please explain how consensual sex with a perfectly legal girl is rape in any of these places.
VG was a “sex slave” from 17-23, apparently, so most of this was when she was a grown woman. Why all the focus on the one year when she was a girl, albeit a legal one? Between ages of 18-25, was she being “raped” or “abused” the whole time? Most gay media stories on this subject say she was “abused” from ages of 18-23. How in God’s name can a grown woman be “sexually abused?” She can’t. Even teenage girls can’t be “sexually abused.””
Sexual abuse only refers to child molestation, generally but not always sex with a child under 13. The media also says that VG was “abused” when she was 17. Every time she went off to have sex with some guy Epstein told her to, she got “abused.” How in the Hell did she get “abused” by having consensual sex with all of these men? Keep in mind she was completely legal.
I’m not feeling a lot for this silly woman. She got paid $15,000 for getting “raped” and “abused” by Andrew, and apparently she got paid big money every time she had sex with someone Epstein told her too. Sounds like she’s making pretty good money for a girl working on her back. I never knew getting “raped” and “abused” paid so well. Hell, at rates like that, I might even let myself get “raped” and “abused.”
But really, I’m feeling terribly sorry for this woman. I’m sure that must have been horribly traumatic to get all that money for one consensual sex act! If some hot chick gave me $15K for sleeping with her, I’d be traumatized for years! I’d have PTSD for the rest of my life!
People are saying that Andrew may have bought this girl. No one knows if Andrew bought her. Epstein was probably just giving this girl away to his friends. I doubt he was charging anyone. This seems to be about the worst they have on Andrew. If he bought her, Andrew is guilty of the crime of – gasp – buying a prostitute. Like this doesn’t happen millions of times every day in the US. Like rich men don’t buy prostitutes all over the world all the time.
On the other hand, she was a minor. It was legal to have sex with her but not to pay her for it. So if he knew she was underage, he’s guilty of the crime of buying an underage prostitute, which apparently some sort of a crime, even if it’s not called that. We now know that he knew she was 17.
Fine, but did he pay her or not? That’s the important part here. Even if he did, frankly, men who buy underage prostitutes are almost never convicted. You have to prove they knew she was underage, and that’s hard to do. Generally they go after the pimps who are pimping these girls out, not the customers. Men probably buy underage prostitutes tens of thousands of times a day in this country.
They are also saying that he committed some crime called “Buying a Trafficked Prostitute.” But that’s only if he bought her. There’s no such crime as “Having Sex with a Trafficked Prostitute.” You can have all the sex you want with these trafficked women. You just can’t pay them for it.
Neither of these are even crimes. Show me where there are crimes called that. As I said, cops don’t worry about the buyers. They have a hard enough time keeping up with the pimps and the traffickers.
Ok, VG’s a prostitute. She’s a whore. Nothing but a little teenie whore, and a well-paid one at that. Epstein is pimping out an underage prostitute, and he may also be trafficking her. And pimping out an underage prostitute is indeed a crime. I forget what it is called, maybe something like “Profiting from Underage Prostitution.” I recently looked over the sex laws in some European countries and a number of them had crimes along those lines, phrased in different ways.
The problem with the trafficking laws is the way they were written. As noted above, the trafficking laws are designed to prevent human slavery of various kinds. The sex trafficking laws are designed to fight what is better known as sex slavery. These women are imprisoned. They can’t leave. They’re being forced to prostitute themselves or forced to work for some particular pimp.
But the law was abused by the pigs at the same time it was written. It applied to not only the sex slavery, as was proper, but it threw in the notion that anyone pimping underage prostitutes was automatically engaging in sex slavery. So the law is designed to prevent trafficking in prostituted sex slaves and also underage prostitutes.
The problem is that the addition of “and also if they are underage” part to the law is that this goes against the spirit of the law – that it was designed to prevent sex slavery. There’s no proof that all underage prostitutes being pimped out are sex slaves, though tragically quite a few probably are exactly that. It’s just more pigs abusing laws and writing laws based on emotional hysteria rather than clear-eyed, cold, legal logic.
But anyway, Andrew just had sex with some legal girl, probably for free. He may have had no idea she was a prostitute or not, and if he didn’t pay her, it doesn’t matter. He knew her age but she was legal. He probably had no idea she was being “trafficked,” and it wouldn’t matter if he did unless he bought her and even then, nobody gets prosecuted for such a crime.
I got banned from Reddit, so I went and got a new name and signed up under that one. I got banned almost immediately. So now I’ve been banned twice. But now I have a new name, ha ha. A Satanic feminist sub reported me to Mommy Reddit because I wrote a comment asking why it was wrong for adult men to fantasize about teenage girls. After all, 100% of all straight men are attracted, typically maximally, to teenage girls. There is some other data suggesting that attraction declines with each declining year, but all men are maximally aroused by 16 and 17 year old girls.
One study found that for 15 year old girls, it was 90%, for 14 year old girls, it was 80%, and for 13 year old girls, it was 70%. Fairly high levels of attraction from 10-60% remained even in the pedophilic range – for 12 year old girls, it was 60%, for 11 year old girls, it was 50%, for 10 year old girls, it was 40%, for 9 year old girls, it was 30%, for 8 year old girls, it was 20%, and for 7 year old girls, it was 10%. Below that there was no attraction, thank God.
When females are lumped into a group called 13+, 100% of
normal straight men react maximally to this group.
Since men generally react maximally to teenage girls, what would be wrong with men fantasizing about the things that maximally arouse them? Isn’t that normal human behavior to fantasize about things that maximally arouse you?
For this the feminists banned me, wrote me a scathing email with orders not to contact them, and reported me to Mommy Reddit. The cucks and faggots at Reddit then banned me for something gay called “child sexualization” for stating some basic scientific facts along with a scientifically uncontroversial opinion.
Today I just banned again from another gay subreddit. I attacked feminists in the thread, and I accused people in the thread of being carceral liberals and police state liberals, which is exactly what almost every liberal in the US is. I’d argue that that’s what almost all US Communists are too. US Communists are so cucked and gay it’s pathetic. I doubt if there’s no real man among them.
Anyway, I got banned for “hate speech” for attacking feminists. According to Reddit homos, hate speech is:
No racist or sexist speech in comments or submissions. Also no abusive speech based on religion, sex/gender, or sexual orientation. These are not rules against swearing; they’re not rules against expressing political opinions.
I went back and looked at my comment. Nothing in there was racist or sexist at all or attacked any of their pet protected groups. In fact, I didn’t even mention anything having to do with race or sex and their protected groups anywhere in the post. The only thing I could figure out is that I attacked feminists.
Somehow feminists, a political formation in the form of a hate movement against men, is somehow in the category of race, sex, gender, religion, or sexual orientation. Obviously feminism is none of these things. The only thing I could figure out is that the mods on his sub are such faggots that they think attacking feminists is the same as attacking women.
Which brings me to another question. All liberal and left women are feminists. 100%. No exceptions ever for any reason. And worse, close to 100% of liberal and Left men are utterly cucked male feminists. Face it boys, there’s nothing more pathetic than a male feminist. The only real men and real women are found on the Right, which is disgusting. If you’re on the left and you’re a real man, you will get tossed off just like that, with extreme prejudice too. They will order to go over to the conservatives.
Which makes me think: How many rightwing men are conservatives mostly because they are sick and tired of faggotized and pussified left and liberal politics? How many of them are Republicans because the Republican Party is the party of the real men? That’s a dumb reason to vote Republican (What have Republicans ever done for us men?) but most people vote based on the most retarded reasons imaginable that have little or nothing to do with their lives.
How many women have gone rightwing because they like to act feminine? They’re girly girls who love being girly, feminine, and womanish? I’ve talked to many women who told me that the main thing they hate about feminism is how much feminists hate femininity.
It’s true. Feminists do hate femininity. Of course they do.
They’re dykes and manhaters or both, and they love nothing more than women with short hair wearing pants who are nearly indistinguishable from men. This is how women are supposed to look according to feminists. Like a goddamned butch bull dyke. I’m thinking maybe quite a few real women are voting right simply because they’re disgusted that leftwing women have turned into a bunch of man-hating dykes. They won’t throw you out of the left for being a feminine woman. But you better believe they will throw you out for not being a feminist.
By the way, what in the Hell’s the matter with straight men nowadays? I can’t believe how gay they are. If you’re going to be that gay, why don’t you just quit lying, move to Frisco, and stick a cock in your mouth? Are there any real men at all amongst these Millennials and Gen Z’ers? Almost all of them seem like complete faggots.