Alt Left: Feminism, Defined, and the Proper Response to It

Feminism is simply a marker of “hostility/rage/vengeance towards men. The extent to which a woman is a feminist is simply the extent to which she has anger, rage, hatred, desire for vengeance,  etc. towards men. That’s all  feminism is: a hate movement against men.

As such, I don’t see why on Earth the Alt Left, as a progressive movement, should support a hate movement against men.  Why should any man on the Left support a hate movement against men? I mean unless you are a cuck or a little bitch who’s gone over to the enemy and is a traitor to his brothers.

However, the Alt Left absolutely supports equal rights for women. I mean why not? The problem with the MRA or anti-feminist movement is that in general it is opposed to equal rights for women. That’s no good. That’s a hate movement against women.

The proper response to a hate movement against men is not a hate movement against women. All you’ve done now is start a war. The proper response is a peace movement that opposes both the feminists’ War on Men and the anti-feminists’ War on Women. In that sense, the Alt Left is a Gender Peace movement.

Alt Left: The Extreme Abuse of Sex Trafficking Laws

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A Florida man was convicted of “sex trafficking” for buying the services of a 14 year old girl prostitute. He apparently knew she was 14, as she was advertised as being that age in the ads. Well, buying an underage whore is illegal. Especially if you know she’s underage.

If you don’t know and you think she’s over 18, the pigs may well prosecute you for buying her anyway, which is garbage. Now you know why I hate cops so much. I don’t even call them cops. I call them pigs most of the time.

What is happening here is that radical feminism, an insane philosophy pushed by people who appear psychotic, is now the ruling mentality of the US on prostitution. Here we have an alliance because feminist nutcases and the socially conservative Right around the issue of prostitution. MRA’s are right when they attack what they call the Feminist-Conservative Alliance which is waging war on men in so many ways.

Radical feminists make the insane case that all prostitutes are somehow victims of human trafficking. Ever buy a prostitute? Well, you not only bought a whore but you actually sex-trafficked that woman by doing that! The phrase sex trafficking itself is being radically abused so much that every time I read it I have read further to make sure this is real sex trafficking and not something else.

Jeffrey Epstein was said to be “trafficking” his little teen whores that he employed, apparently by having them come to his house and have sex with him for $300. Afterwards they were free to leave. When they got home they could go anywhere they wanted to.

Victims of sex trafficking are in a sense being kidnapped. They’re not free to leave. Sometimes they are literally enslaved but most of the time they are simply under the control of a pimp who is forcing them to prostitute themselves under the threat that if they leave the pimp, he will assault them violently or even kill them.

Sex trafficking is basically pimping and it’s all about women being prisoners forced to have sex with men by their captors.

Epstein was a pimp? Not most of the time he wasn’t. Epstein recruited teenage prostitutes, often from the bad sides of towns. Their families had little money and they were often in desperate straits.

All of these girls leapt at the thought of making $300 for the simple act of giving Epstein a handjob, something most of these teenies were probably already giving boys anyway.

News stories describe these little teen whores as “victims.” That’s laughable. It was their choice to come over or not. If Epstein called and she didn’t want to come over, all she had to do was say no. If she kept turning him down, she  got no more calls and hence, no more visits to Epstein.

Epstein could not have cared less. He’s just find a new little teenie whore. After all, Epstein was such a monstrous abuser that he was being deluged with requests from teenage girls dying at a chance to suffer horrible abuse by him.

Yet some of these poor, scarred womanchildren “victims” (actually just a bunch of crybabies), were so horribly damaged and ruined by this silly teenage whoring that they kept coming back for more. Many voluntarily returned to Epstein to  make another $300 for a handie. Some returned 20 or more times.

They must have been being horribly abused if they kept coming for more 20 or more times, huh? Poor girls!  Poor women! Women are crying! Others were so devastated by this horrible sexual abuse that they went out and recruited many new  girls to serve as little teen whores to be horribly abused for Epstein just like they were. Wow!

The abuse was so horrific that they came back more than 20 times for more and they even went out recruiting new girls for the money-train. My heart bleeds for those girls!

In a few cases, Epstein did appear to traffic women, as there were a few women who felt that they were stuck and could not leave. Many had their passports confiscated by Epstein’s partner in crime Ghislaine Maxwell after being flown here from Europe. One girl tried to swim away from Epstein’s island only to be caught and forcibly brought back to shore where Epstein and Maxwell verbally abused her and threatened her about what would happen if she tried to run away again.

Ok, that counts as trafficking or pimping. She’s being trafficked if she cannot leave any time she wants. Everything else, no matter what it might be, is not sex trafficking.

Alt Left: Identity Politics, the Working Class, and the Left

If a gay man were to come up to me and say, “I’m a gay worker!”

I would answer him this: “Pick one.”

Either your identity is gay or your identity is worker. Not both. It’s fine and dandy to fight for your rights and all of that, but silly things like gender, race and sexual orientation shouldn’t take precedence over true hard realities of political economy like whether someone is a worker, a capitalist, or an entrepreneur.

Suppose instead or in addition to identifying as a worker, I ID’d as “straight.” Well, I am straight, so why not ID as straight. I could go join some straight rights groups and fight for me people. Actually I would only ever join any group like that to get laid, but that’s another matter.

I would get all worked up about how put upon we poor straights are and how teh geyz and the trannies are hogging all the rights. I would probably start to get quite angry at the gays and he-she’s oppressing us poor cis straights.

Why on Earth is me being straight of all things an important matter? It’s not.

I could ID as a male instead of IDing as a worker. I could get all wrapped up in fake victimhood and wound-nursing and get all hopping mad at women and how they are oppressing us bepenised ones. Why should I do that? That’s just going to make me all angry and miserable and I’m going to get quite mad at women. How is any of that going to help me. Besides, is the most important thing about me that I am a man? Are you kidding?

I could go join some White rights group and fight for my fellow palefaces. I would end up constructing a big narrative of endless victimhood and a sense of being picked on, bullied, attacked and oppressed by those bad non-Whites. Obviously I would end up getting very mad at non-Whites because that’s what White IP does – it makes you mad at non-Whites.

Have you noticed something? Straight IP makes straights hate gays and trannies. Male IP or Men’s Rights makes men hate women. White IP without fail makes Whites hate non-Whites.

IP always ends up making you hate the group that is supposedly picking on you.

Hence:

Black IP makes Black people hate Whites. That ought to be obvious by now but this is  continually impressed upon me.

Women’s IP or Feminism makes women hate men. That’s way more than obvious by now, proven so many times we don’t even need to discuss it.

Gay IP has a tendency to make gays hate straights.

Tranny IP definitely makes trannies hate us “cis scum.”

Have you ever noticed something else?

None of these people are happy.

Blacks into Black IP seem miserable.

Feminists always look angry and unhappy.

The Gay IP crowd acts like they have a wild hair up their ass. No wait.

Straight IP people (straight pride marches) don’t seem very happy. Their “pride” parades are more like hatefests.

Men’s IP or Men’s Rights people seem pretty damn unhappy. MRA’s always seem to have a sour look on their faces, then when they are not actually raging and shouting threats at women.

If there’s one thing that impressed me about the White IP crowd or White nationalists, it’s that they are not real happy. These are very angry and often mean people. They’re not happy campers. Many of them positively seethe and rage with pure hate. They don’t seem to be having a good one.

All Identity Politics divides the working class, and it all makes classes of people who ought to work together, such as workers, to divide into hateful tribes and declare war on each other. All Identity Politics focuses not on rights for the group but more on hatred for the supposed oppressor.

Alt Left: Female Rule Always Fails – the Best Society Is a Benign Patriarchy

There are two different types of Masculism, a sort of male version of feminism without all the baggage and misogyny of the MRA’s.

From Wikipedia:

Christensen differentiates between “progressive masculism” and an “extremist version”. The former welcomes many of the societal changes promoted by feminists, while regretting that some measures reducing sexism against women have increased it against men.

The extremist version promotes male supremacy to some degree and is generally based on a belief in women’s inferiority. Nicholas Davidson, in his book The Failure of Feminism, describes an extremist version of masculism which he termed “virism”: “What ails society is ‘effeminacy’. The improvement of society requires that the influence of female values be decreased and the influence of male values increased….”

I do not like the extreme version’s belief in female inferiority, as I refuse to see women as inferior. I do not think the problem with society is effeminacy.

It is just that the Female Imperative has taken over, and women are imposing their feminized society and their Female Rule on us via laws and courts. That’s not acceptable at all. Women or at least their female values, rules, and mores cannot rule countries.

Women can serve as President, in Congress, anywhere in society and help us men run society, but society should not privilege the views, values, and mores of women over those of men. Female Rule imposes female emotionalism and irrationalism on society. This is how females work and that’s ok, as their brains work this way, and they can’t help it. But they shouldn’t impose their emotionally-driven, irrational female views on society via rules and laws.

Men believe in objectivity, hard rules, and cold logic. This is the best way to run society in terms of its laws, rules, and mores, especially in terms of courts and laws. We can call this Male Rule or Patriarchy.

A Benign Patriarchy, the only good kind, would emphasize logic, common sense, objectivity, un-emotionalism, and rationalism as the basis for the rules, mores, and especially laws of society. If imposed by good men in a benign way so as not to privilege men and oppress women, this is the best form of society.

We’ve already seen what happens in Female Rule. We are living it right now. What do you think all this PC and SJW madness is. It’s nothing less than Female Rule itself. This is what it looks like.

With Female Rule, you just get endless chaos, and eventually people will start clamoring for order and saneness to rule society again. They will clamor to bring back a form of Patriarchy, hopefully a benign one which would not resemble the type of Patriarchy that feminists complain about (an Oppressive Patriarchy).

Good, fair minded women can certainly help us men to implement this Benign Patriarchy and in fact the presence of many women at the upper rungs of this society will assure that the rule of logic and sense does not turn into men lording it over and oppressing women, which it often does.

Alt Left: Letter to a Boy, 2019

Growing up a boy in the 21st century is not easy. The unhinged ideology of feminism has stifled many aspects about the very nature and essence of being a boy, and it is not right.

– You will be told nothing good about your gender because apparently there is no pride in being a boy.

– In society you will experience a system that is tilted against you by branding you a young offender just for typical male behavior.

– Your female peers will be encouraged in every stage of their educational journey and you will not.

– You will be blamed for the oppression of women by just being alive because it contributes to the «upholding of the patriarchy».

– You will be told in university that you’re a rapist in waiting, and you will be forced to attend consent classes.

– Your natural love and affection for women will be described as something awful, making you afraid to even say hello to a woman. One inappropriate remark or a single accusation of making one can destroy your reputation forever.

– If you try to speak out against these injustices, you will be persecuted by rabid mobs of politically correct lunatics.

But despite all of this, young man, I am not worried for you. Because you are a male. We males have overcome impossible obstacles before, and I trust we will again.

But until that day comes young man, you’ll have to live through all of this. And for that, I am sorry.

Alt Left: Why Do Feminists and SJW’s Always Attack Their Male Enemies by Saying That They Can’t Get Women?

Jason Y: I seriously think these MRA guys are either ugly (as society says, not necessarily true) or have ugly personalities. It’s just like with extreme SJW women who were turned down for being so-called dogs, overweight etc.

I don’t know if they are ugly or not. I only know of a few MRA’s, and the famous ones I know were both handsome men, Paul Elam and Warren Farrell. Another prominent man just looked like some typical middle aged guy. I’m not sure what’s going on with those guys, honestly. They don’t seem to lack for sex, that’s one thing for sure.

It is interesting that you bring that up because only recently did I figure out that many feminists were ugly as sin. But I talked to a friend of mine from Italy, and he said that feminists showed up there back in the 60’s and 70’s, and they were rampaging through the streets screaming all sorts of awful stuff about men. He also said they were _____ (some Italian word for ugly). Actually he said they were ________ (some Italian word for really ugly, ugliest of all).

It was only then that I started putting it all together that a lot of feminists hated men because they were ugly as sin, and men had rejected them on that basis. A lot of feminists are very fat too. People always joked that feminists were ugly, but the few that I met were not, and I always thought it wasn’t really true.

The SJW thing would be to say, “Well obviously you can’t get laid,” but SJW scum say that to everyone. Why do they say that? Why do they always resort to the “you can’t get a woman” bullshit? Every time you disagree with a feminist piece of shit, they all bombard you with “You obviously can’t get laid?” What’s up with that? And other SJW scum do the exact same thing.

Alt Left: SJW Politics Is All Based on Black and White Thinking

Thomas K.: What my comment was getting at is that, at least among the younger generations, there is a feeling that Feminism is an un-serious ideology and that those promoting it are a little bit “out there.” At least, that’s what I gather from observation of internet-discourse.
But perhaps I just don’t spend a whole lot of time on the Left. On the right, Feminism has come to be seen as a bad joke. The Left obviously sees that differently. The reason is clear:
The Left holds Egalitarianism as a sacred value, and Feminism claims (falsely, but that’s not really the issue) to be an Egalitarian ideology; therefore, Leftists find it much harder to dispose of it than Rightists do.
Am I correct?

These very young kids nowadays, Generation Z, are the craziest and most feministed, SJW’d kooks you have ever met.
Of course I support equal rights for women, even to this day. I have my whole life. I support equal legal rights for women, and I don’t have a high opinion of outright misogyny or chauvinism.
I actually support a whole long list of feminist ideas and goals. But I stop at some point, and therefore I am evil scum who must be killed, I am not a feminist, and I am a diabolical misogynist with deep, extreme hatred for women. This last is a new one to me, perhaps it is unconscious?
If you don’t go along with 100% of their crazy project (and different feminist trends have different party lines, and each will bash you for not going along with theirs), follow the party line in entirety with no exceptions, and support the democratic centralism, etc. then you are not a feminist, and instead you are one of the Satanic MRA demons who needs to be lynched on the spot.
So I am not opposed to the the cause of equal rights for women, but feminists went way beyond that a long time ago, and every year they get crazier and crazier and stand making more and more extreme demands. At some point, some of us on the Left got off the Crazy Train. I got off the Cultural Left crazy train in the mid 1990’s.
The problem is that the Right always attacks equal rights and egalitarianism as a concept whenever they attack SJWism because conservatives on the basis of their very philosophy oppose equal rights. So the feminists and the rest of the SJW loons are all idiots, but on the other hand, their critics on the Right are reactionary scumbags. If you disagree with whatever Kook Camp, Left or Right, they shove you out of the camp and throw you over in the other one. You have to be with either one group of kooks and idiots or the other one. There’s no ground in between to stand on.
SJW’s black and white everything.
Let’s face it. Misogyny is probably scalar like almost everything else in life. There’s probably a Misogyny Scale of 0-100, with the ultimate male radfem cucked fag at 0 and Ted Bundy at 100. Few men will be complete misogynists, and few men will be completely free of angry or dismissive feelings towards women. But for every feminist, all males must be 0’s, no exception. And if you’re not a 0, you’re a 100. You’re Ted Fucking Bundy, a walking rapist killer waiting to strike.
There’s no grey area with feminists. There never has been. It’s been nothing but “you’re with us or against us” from the very start. You can’t be a little bit of a feminist. You’re either whole hog or you need to go to prison.
All of the rest of the SJW bullshit is exactly the same. Modern anti-racism is complete crap. I mean they got away from John Brown, CLR James, MLK and even late Malcolm a long time ago. They might even be beyond the Panthers for Chrissake. They’re not even attacking real racism anymore because there’s not much left, so they are looking around for things to get mad about. Every year they ban more words, thoughts and behaviors you’ve been saying, thinking and doing your whole life, every year they make a number of new humiliating demands of Whites which we must grovel abjectly at the feet of the smiling Blacks to agree to.
And we don’t go along,  we are exactly the same as David Duke. Honestly racism is probably scalar too, say 0-100, with few at the low end and not a whole lot a the high end. Non-Whites are just as racist as Whites, and in fact, they are typically more so. It’s been proven that Blacks are actually more racist than White people.
So by the standards of modern lunatic anti-racism, most people are somewhere from 1-99 on the scale. I mean their rules are so crazy now. You say, “Boy, Black people sure commit a lot of crime,” and you immediately go to 100 on the damn scale, you get fired from your job, you career is ruined, and your life is shot. All for one sentence that is 100% true and even proven by science. But no matter. The truth is racist. The truth is sexist. The truth is homophobic and transphobic and all the other crazy prejudices they can dream up. No modern anti-racists believe in grey areas.
It’s all “you’re with us or you’re against us,” and as a White, you get treated like the enemy anyway even if you go completely submissive and cave in to all the increasingly nutty demands of your Black masters. If you veer off the party line, sorry, you’re Richard Spencer, and you need a punch in the face.
We on the anti-SJW Left say, “I signed up for liberation and equal rights, not insanity.” But you can’t say that anymore. If you say that, you are an evil bigot scum who needs to be hung.

Sorry for the Hiatus

I hardly wrote a thing all August. I am still trying to figure out why I did that. Every time I thought about writing, I would think “Meh” and decide not to. I kept asking myself why I didn’t want to write, but my mind wouldn’t tell me. It was very hot all month. Was that it? Was I depressed? No idea. Maybe I was just blocked. Most writers, especially the better ones, get blocked sometimes. For some it’s a big burden. But lousy writers never get blocked. They scribble away. The better the writer is, the more blocked they get. Does it make sense?
So what did I do? As you have probably figured out by now, I am not an ideologue. In fact, I am probably an anti-ideologue. If there’s an ideology out there, I usually want to tear through it like a rampaging elephant and smash every party line I see. That’s probably because I am scientific-minded, and most political ideologies are irrational in some way or another.
Also they are always changing. In order to be a liberal nowadays you have to jump through all sorts of crazy hoops that you didn’t have to back in the 70’s and 80’s. And if you don’t get on board with all of the tested and approved continuous changes in liberal ideology, it turns out…you’re not a liberal! You’re not a Leftist! You’re not on the Left at all. You’re a conservative, a reactionary, a Republican, a fascist, a Nazi. I get called all those things constantly, always by my fellow lefties. Except I am none of those things. I am actually a Leftist. A really, really weird Leftist, but a Leftist nevertheless.
It’s not enough to say, “Hey I want to go back and be a 1970’s or 1980’s liberal. I don’t want to get on board the latest liberal crazy train that left the station.” But you can’t do that. To be a 70’s or 80’s liberal nowadays is somehow to be a conservative, reactionary, Republican, fascist or Nazi. Except it isn’t of course.

New Theories

Anyway, one thing I like to do, unlike most human ovines, is expose myself to new political philosophies that I’ve never dipped into before. So I am always looking around for weird new movements to analyze and check out. Lately I have checked out incels, MGTOW’s, Redpillers, and MRA’s. That’s the Manosphere. The MRA’s in particular were very interesting.
I even checked out Men’s Liberation, the completely cucked, pro-feminist, hen-picked, pussy-whipped left wing of the Men’s Movement.
I used to think they were ok, but I only lasted a few days on their board before they threw me out for being a “sexual predator.” Except in my world that’s a compliment. I was also told that I was a rapist and had been one my whole life and that I was only a few steps away from being the guy in the bushes with the ski mask, mace, and knife. Which is odd because I don’t believe I have ever actually really raped a female in my life. I’m talking real rape, not bullshit feminist rape. I mean you look at a feminist or ask her for her number, and you just raped her, you’re Ted Bundy, and she’s calling the police right now.
Anyway, the only sane definition of rape is the one that has always been in place before lunatic feminist definition creep was, as my Mom always sternly warned me (as in “Don’t do this!”), the definition of rape was sex via force or the threat of force. I’ve never done that even once. I would also add drugging a woman like slipping her a roofie. Never done that either, thank God. And on top of that I would add sex with a passed out woman. Jesus Christ, of course I’ve never done that. I’m not a necro! Everything other than that boys, and you’re ready to rock and roll. Go forth and seduce those damsels, my brethren!

Feminist Theory

Anyway, I thought I understood feminism, but I never really did. So I have been on feminist forums (well, those that don’t immediately ban me) for most of the past month, analyzing their theories and worldviews and tossing them around objectively in my mind to see if their theories are valid or not while enduring torrential abuse for the feminists on the sites committing a crime called Being a Man. I wasn’t aware that was in the penal code.
I’ve become especially interested in radical feminism, an actual branch of feminism that I had barely heard of before. So anyway, I’ve been tossing feminist theory around in my head for the past month. It’s actually a kick.

Skirt-chasing in Late Middle Age

What else have I been doing? Why, chasing women of course! Wait. Women and girls. Don’t forget the girls! I mean legal girls, like 18 and 19 year old barely legals, not the jailbaits (JB’s), although I do still talk to JB’s at times. And yes, I still date 18 and 19 year old girls sometimes. It’s almost impossible and I have to move heaven and Earth to do it, but somehow I am able to violate the laws of physics and pull off the impossible. I might add that I am 60 years old. Getting a legal teen at my age is such a ridiculous proposition that it is laughable. I mean, sure, maybe if you’re a movie director, right?
I also date women in their late 20’s and early 30’s, late 40’s, and 50’s right around my age. I recently dated two 59 year old women. None of them are really better than any others. There are strong and weak points of both older, young, very young, middle aged and 30’s women. Each group has different strong and weak points. In fact, older women are actually better than younger women on a number of variables.
I also chat up women in various places on the Net, and a number of them have sent me nudes. Yes, there are places on the Net where you can do this if you know what you are doing and have good Game. Actually, I get women sending me nudes on a regular basis. Most are 20-27, but two were in their 40’s. They live too far away to get with, but dirty pics are always fun, especially if you are a sick, fucked up dirty old man like me.
Not only do I still get barely legal women, but JB’s still try to seduce me. I know it sounds insane. But in the past few months, two JB’s, one 14 and the 16 year old, both approached me and chatted me up for a bit. A 60 year old man. Both propositioned me, the 14 year old subtly and the 16 year old blatantly. And they both offered to send me nudes. Thank God I am strong willed, so I turned them down on all offers, though I must say it was hard to do.
Most people who read that last paragraph will insist that I am lying because such things never happen to men my age. Except they actually do. Well, they happen to me anyway. But carry on if you must. Accuse me of lying. Knock yourself out.
And thank you very much for the compliments, boys (in advance).
Bros before ho’s!

Alt Left: The MRA Movement Is Pure Poison

I was just over on the MRA subreddit. It’s a horrorshow because they all hate me for being a left-winger (they’re most all rightists) and also for stating that I am a feminist.
Many to most MRA’s take the extreme position that not only is feminism not needed anymore (a valid debate topic) but incredibly, that feminism has never been needed in human society. Isn’t that breathtaking? They are furious when people like me say that we men have subjugated women by imposing a brutal patriarchy on women for most of human history. I think it’s waning now, but that’s beside the point. To me this is just obvious.
These MRA’s state that it is men who have always been oppressed in human societies and women who have always ruled and lorded it over men all down through time, I suppose via some matriarchy.
They even refuse to support the suffragettes! On MRA forums, you see a lot of arguments about why laws keeping women from voting were rational. You can have a discussion about whether feminism is needed now, but looking back over most of the 20th Century, it’s so obvious that this was a direly needed movement, and feminism has done so many great things to move women towards equality.
They don’t even support equity or liberal feminism, as they say that women already have more rights than men, and equal rights hence will simply increase women’s dominance over and subjection of men.
They actually believe this crazy nonsense. It’s an amazing thing to see how people can be so insane and out of touch with reality.

I Am Not an MRA or an SJW

Sisera: Most women in America have been raped or murdered.

By age 50, quite a few women have had a man try to kill them. These attempts took a lot of different forms, including some you might not accept as attempted homicides. I’ve never known any woman who was killed by a man though.
By age 50, a lot of women have been raped. If you include date rape stuff like sex with a  passed out woman, that goes higher and you get more young women.

Sisera: Men are privileged in society.

We probably are privileged to some extent, but I don’t talk about that privilege crap because I don’t feel privileged myself.

Sisera: Women love men and addressing open hatred of men in any way is a ‘Nazi conspiracy theory.

There are definitely a lot of man-haters out there. Radfems are nearly psychotic, I mean  literally mentally ill, in their man-hatred. A lot of other feminists are hostile to or angry at men to one degree or another. But ordinary, non-feminist women? I mean, I talk to women all the time.
I date a lot. I meet a lot of women on the Web and other places all the time. I get full nude, tit, and even pussy shots from women all the way down to age 20 on a fairly regular basis. I almost never hear man-hating stuff or even much unjustified anger at men. Most women are cock addicts, which translates into men addicts. They are literally addicted to cock and men.

Sisera: False rape allegations don’t exist and/or Alpha males are immune to this.

They do exist. I just never hear about them and I never meet men who are falsely accused. But I know it happens. Thing is that stuff often doesn’t even lead to an arrest, much less a charge and a trial.

Sisera: Just don’t pretend to be a redpill or anti-SJW.

I am probably more purple pill than anything else. I do hate SJW’s! They are my enemies! It’s just that some of the stuff that SJW’s like radfems say is actually true.
And it is true that I am a feminist. It is just that I hate most open, vocal feminists and I think most feminist strains are awful because they are so fanatical and angry.
I have now met a few women who called themselves feminists who I agreed with in toto or nearly so. I thought, “If she’s a feminist, then so am I.” The feminist strains I identify with would be described more as equity feminism, liberal feminism, sex-positive feminism, and even 3rd wave feminism. I like a 3rd wave feminist mag called Babe a lot.
The real enemies are the 2nd wavers, not the 3rd wavers.
I have been a feminist forever now, almost since before I was an adult. I got my feminism from the greatest woman on Earth, my Mom. But even my Mom is a pretty low key 2nd waver. She likes to call herself a feminist, but she sounds nothing like any open 2nd wave feminist I know of. The feminists who are out and about yelling and writing and waving their hands in the air are often a lot crazier than the quiet feminists who stay home and don’t get active.
For instance my Mom says she is a Second Waver and in some ways she is but a lot of Second Wavers adopt extreme feminist theory that she does not subscribe to. I try to tell her what loons most active feminists are and she acts like she doesn’t believe me. And my mother’s feminism and that of other members of my family is definitely driven by paybacks. I can see their faces get hard, cold, determined and  mean when they start talking about feminism. In the case of my Mom, etc., it’s all about paybacks.  They literally want revenge.

Radfems and MRA's: Two Peas in a Pod

Noting that radfems reject the strong science proving the reality of biological gender, the fact is that radfems anti-science. So like the reactionaries in that way…must be horseshoe theory again.
Radfems are some of the most extreme ideologues out there. I see absolutely zero difference between radfems and the MRA’s, PUA’s, incels, and MGTOW’s. Radfems the other side of the mirror, that’s all. Radfems hate men like MRA’s hate women. Both screech that they are constantly under attack by the other gender. They both claim that their gender suffers from horrific oppression. They both propose extreme solutions to deal with the enemy, which happens to be the other gender.
Both deny that there are any good people of the other gender. And it appears that they both hate science when it gets in the way of their precious ideology. They’re both frighteningly angry all the time, but MRA’s anger is more dangerous because male anger is more physical. They both center your entire existence and the entire universe around the notion of gender. They both claim their own gender is an oppressed class. They both refuse to make allies with the other gender.
They both claim that the other gender does not suffer or that their suffering merits no importance. Both claim the other side has it easy and is not oppressed. Many of both seek to live lives as separately from the other gender as possible. They are both wildly ideological, with lists of 100’s of positions that every one in the movement must check one, and if even one checkmark is missed, that person is declared on the side of the enemy and is thrown out of movement. Ideological diversity is nonexistent in either movement. Neither group believes in the existence of nuance.
Both groups are examples of extreme solipsism – the whole universe is about them – their own bodies, that is, their gender. Both claim to be engaged in informed searches for the truth, but they are too weighted down with dogma to do that. Both lionize some of the worst haters around. Schopenhauer is Mary Daly. Nietzsche is Julie Bindel. Elliot Rodgers is Valerie Solanis.
Misandrists and misogynists are the same thing. Both groups are forms of Identity Politics. Radfem is female IP and MRA is male IP. They hate each other, but they are both just different forms of IP and they are much more alike than different.
Most sane people reject both of movements and think they’re both insane, just at different ends of the crazy spectrum. No one likes MRA’s for good reason, and radfems are not popular either. Even normal feminism is not popular. Only 14% women say they are feminists, though equal rights is a reasonable concept. This is because though equal rights is great, most feminists are fanatics, and their views do not line up with that of the average woman because feminist views are extremist.

Alt Left: The Alt Left Position on Identity Politics

This really ought to be the official Alt Left statement on Identity Politics of all types in general.
The Alt Left position on Identity Politics is that in general we are opposed to all IP.
White nationalist/White IP: Non-whites deserve to be hated because physical science proves that they’re evil and inferior. Non-Whites hate us Whites! Therefore, the Non-Whites are evil and we Whites need to separate from them. Our White hatred is good and their Non-White hated is bad! The Non-Whites attack us Whites all the time. The Non-Whites are the attackers, we Whites are the victims. We Whites are innocent and the Non-Whites are guilty. We Whites want paybacks and revenge against our non-White oppressors. BLM and anti-racism is a hate movement against Whites. Non-Whites are anti-White racists.
Black IP/modern anti-racism/BLM, etc.: Whites deserve to be hated because social science proves that they’re evil. Whites hate us Blacks! Our Black hatred is good and their White hatred is bad! Whites attack us Blacks all the time. Whites are the attackers, we Blacks are the victims. We Black are innocent and the Whites are guilty. We Black want paybacks and revenge against our White oppressors. White nationalism is a hate movement against Blacks. Whites are anti-Black racists. Whites want to kill all of us Blacks.
Radical feminism/modern feminism in general/political lesbianism (radfems in particular): Men/MRA’s deserve to be hated because social science proves that they’re evil. Men/MRA’s hate us women! Our female hatred is good and their male/MRA hated is bad. Men’s/MRA’s hatred is bad! Men/MRA’s attack us women all the time. Men/MRA’s are the attackers, we women are the victims. We women are innocent and the men/MRA’s are guilty. We women want paybacks and revenge against our male/MRA oppressors. MRA is a hate movement against women. Men are misogynists.
MRA’s/incels/MGTOW’s: Women deserve to be hated because physical and social science proves that they’re evil/inferior. Feminists hate us! Our male hatred is good and their feminist hatred is bad! Feminists attack us men all the time. Feminists are the attackers, we men are the victims. We men are innocent and the feminists are guilty. We men want paybacks and revenge against our feminist/female oppressors. Feminism is a hate movement against men. Feminists are misandrists.
Gay activists: Homophobes deserve to be hated because social science proves that they’re evil. Homophobes hate us gays! Our gay hatred is good and their homophobic hatred is bad! Homophobes attack us gays all the time. Homophobes are the attackers, we gays are the victims. We gays are innocent and the homophobes are guilty. We gays want paybacks and revenge against our homophobic oppressors. Anti-gays are homophobes. Homophobes want to kill all of us gays.
Homophobes/pro-family/anti-gays: Gays deserve to be hated because social science proves that they’re evil, decadent, and depraved. Gays hate us anti-gays! Our anti-gay hatred is good and their gay hatred is bad! Gays attack us anti-gays all the time. Gays are the attackers, we anti-gays are the victims. We anti-gays are innocent and the Gay are guilty. We anti-gays want paybacks and revenge against our gay oppressors. Gay activism is a hate movement against the family. Gays hate the heterosexual family.
Transsexual activists: Transphobes deserve to be hated because social science proves that they’re evil. Transphobes hate us Transsexuals! Our transsexual hatred is good and their transphobic hatred is bad! Transphobes attack us transsexuals all the time. Transphobes are the attackers, we transsexuals are the victims. We transsexuals are innocent and the transphobes are guilty. We transsexuals want paybacks and revenge against our Transphobic oppressors. Anti-trans people are transphobes.
Transphobes/TERF’s: Transsexuals deserve to be hated because social science proves that they’re evil. Transsexuals hate us TERF’s/Transphobes! Our TERF/transphobic hatred is good and their transsexual hatred is bad! Transsexuals attack us TERF’s/transphobes all the time. Transsexuals are the attackers, we TERF’s/transphobes are the victims. We TERF’s/transphobes are innocent and the transsexuals are guilty. We TERF’s/transphobes want paybacks and revenge against our transsexual oppressors. Transsexualism is a hate movement against women. Transsexuals are misogynists.
Muslims: Infidels deserve to be hated because theology proves that they’re evil. Infidels hate us s! Our hatred is good and their hatred is bad! Infidels attack us all the time. Infidels are the attackers, we are the victims. We infidels are innocent and the are guilty. We want paybacks and revenge against our infidel oppressors. Infidels are anti-Muslim. Infidels want to kill all of us Muslims.
Anti-Muslims: Muslims deserve to be hated because theology proves that they’re evil: Infidels deserve to be hated because theology proves that they’re evil. Infidels hate us s! Our hatred is good and their hatred is bad! Infidels attack us all the time. Infidels are the attackers, we are the victims. We infidels are innocent and the are guilty. We want paybacks and revenge against our infidel oppressors. Infidels are anti-Muslim. Infidels want to kill all of us Muslims..
Jews: Anti-Semites/Gentiles deserve to be hated because social science/theology proves that they’re evil/inferior. Anti-Semites/gentiles hate us Jews! Our Jewish hatred is good and their Anti-Semitic/Gentile hatred is bad! Anti-Semites/Gentiles attack us Jews all the time. Anti-Semites/Gentiles are the attackers, we Jews are the victims. We Jews are innocent and the Anti-Semites/gentiles are guilty. We Jews want paybacks and revenge against our anti-Semitic/gentile oppressors. Gentiles are anti-Semites. Anti-Semites/gentiles want to kill all of us Jews.
Anti-Semites: Jews deserve to be hated because social science proves that they’re evil. Jews hate us gentiles! Our gentile hatred is good and their Jewish hatred is bad! Jews attack us Gentiles all the time. Jews are the attackers, we Gentiles are the victims. We Gentiles are innocent and the Jews are guilty. We Gentiles want paybacks and revenge against our Jewish oppressors. Jews are anti-gentile. Jews want to kill all of us gentiles.
___________ nationalism: Our enemies deserve to be hated because social science proves that they’re evil. The racists hate our people! Our nationalist hatred is good and their racist hatred against our people is bad! The racists attack our people all the time. The racists are the attackers, we nationalists are the victims. We nationalists are innocent and the racists are guilty. We nationalists want paybacks and revenge against our racist oppressors. Our enemies are racists against our people!
White nationalism is not IP! Black activism is not IP! Feminism is not IP! MRA is not IP! Transsexualism is not IP! Islam is not IP! Gay activism is not IP! _________ nationalism is not IP! Being Jewish isn’t IP!

Cuckliberals? The Cucked Left?

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Nu males. Absolutely pitiful and pathetic!

Well we had cuckservatives, so is this the Cuck Left? Cuckliberals? Come to think of it, almost all the “men” on the Cultural Left are pretty much cucked. They tried to do a survey on Cultural Left “men” to find out how many of them would admit to being cucked, but they had to call off the survey because so many cuckliberals had penises in their mouths and hence oral interviews could not take place.
It’s true that Nu men all hate themselves for being men and especially for being White men. I do not encourage self-abasement, but looking at these specimens of manhood in that photo, I can’t help thinking that these guys probably ought to hate themselves.
The Cultural Left wants to cuck men in general and White men in particular. There’s nothing worse on the Cultural Left than a masculine heterosexual man.
That’s a 3-way casserole of oppression: masculine = toxic masculinity.
Heterosexual = heteronormative oppressor, promoter of bi invisibility.
Man = automatically oppressive even from birth merely by existing. One way out would be to go full tranny and cut your dick off, but even then, the radfems would still hate you because they would insist that you are a still a man. Being a man is like being a Jew in a racist country. There’s literally no way out. You can’t convert. You can’t adopt a new political philosophy. You can’t go over the opposition. You are an oppressive scum who needs to be killed merely on account of your genetic makeup and there’s no escape, no exit. It’s an existential dilemma on steroids. You’re a permanent stranger to society. You might as well just kill your mother and get it over with already.

Lesbian Feminism 101

You know what lesbian feminists are? Ever heard of them? Well if you have not, that I will give you a brief backgrounder on who and what they are. If you had the slightest inkling of what that word means, you really need to hate them too. If you don’t hate lesbian feminists, you’re either one of them or there is something very wrong with you, or I don’t want to know you because you’re my enemy.
I don’t really have the time to go into it by now, but more or less by definition, a lesbian feminist is absolutely not born that way. She’s not a born lesbian. If she’s born anything at all, she’s born straight. I am sympathetic to biological lesbians, and I have met a few, but lesbian feminists? Um, no. As a simple explanation, I will just say that these are women who have 100% chosen to be lesbians out of their own free will.
And why did they choose to be idiotic dykes? Because they hate us men more than any other bitches on this planet, that’s why. They hate us so much that they don’t want to engage in romance and sex with us, and beyond that, a lot of them don’t even want to have anything to do with us at all.
There is a fairly large section of the lesbian community that supports lesbian separatism, which is an apartheid like ideology not unlike White nationalism, Zionism, Nazism, etc. They actually want to live their lives seeing and dealing with us men as little as possible because that is just how much they utterly despise us. What did we ever do to them?
Well you will have to check into your nearest university’s Women’s Studies Department and enroll in some Gender Studies classes and get back to us. These feminists are the female version of MGTOW. It’s like the Manosphere, except with misandry instead of misogyny. The MRA tard says the whole problem with the world is women, and the lesbian feminist tard says the whole problem with the world is men.
Guess what? They’re both full of shit. And not only that, but they are very much like each other. Perhaps some MRA’s and MGTOW’s ought to hook with some of these lesbian feminist bitches and get hooked. After all, they deserve each other. In fact, the polar opposite of an MRA is not a lesbian feminist – it’s a man who loves women or a woman who loves men. The opposite of a radfem is not an MRA – it’s a real woman who loves men and a normal guy who loves women. Those two tard groups only think they hate each other. Really they are just the opposite sides of the same damned mirror.

October Is Bash a Violent Bitch Month

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Please feel free to celebrate accordingly.

This is the 5th annual Bash a Violent Bitch Month. I am so glad that they finally decided to set aside a month in order to promote this activity.

Bottom line is:

  • If a woman hits a man – She gets hit.
  • If a woman steals from a man – She gets hit.

Obviously the main reason for a lot of horrific violent and criminal activity that modern women engage in is because they think they can get away with it. If a woman knew she was going to get hit hard if she hit a man, she might think twice. Further, if the punishment for hitting a man was that she herself gets punched, she might think twice about stealing from us.

I am hearing more and more stories about women stealing from men. You go home with a woman to her place, have sex with her and leave in the morning. Turns out she rifled your wallet and stole $29. She also tried to steal your pants, belt and sandals when you went out to the car in the middle of the night, and she locked the door and would not let you back in.

You have a woman over at your place on a first date. She says give me some money for some booze and food. You give her $25. She vanishes out the door, never to be seen again.

The only solution is to start hitting them over some of these serious transgressions such as assaulting men and stealing money from us.

Should you beat her up? I do not think so.

How many times should you hit her? One good solid punch ought to be all it takes. Hopefully, you won’t cause any serious permanent injury to her body.

Nice Guys, Friendzoning and the Redpill View of the Basic Nature of Women

I found this on Quora, and the author is a former commenter on this site who left. This person did write a very good post coming from a rather Redpill manner on Quora. This is still a brilliant fellow with a lot of great insights into human nature. It’s really sad, but almost everything this guy says is straight up true.

Also I do not know if he is an MRA per se, but I believe he is a masculinist, and I think we should form a masculinist movement as counterpart to the feminist movement. We can try to mirror them if we wish. If it’s progressive, hip, groovy, and right-on and hipster for women to advocate for their rights, then we think it ought to neato, right-on, boss, cool, and progressive to advocate for men’s rights. Because we men need our rights just as much as the women need their rights. Women want to advocate for their rights? No problem! Let them. But why should we men not do the same thing?

The Masculinist Movement will make alliances with any sane feminists out there, and I believe there might be a few. In general, women think that “Men’s Rights” means all out war on them. This is zero-sum thinking, and furthermore, it is just wrong. You want and need rights for women, and we want and need rights for men. Neither gender likes being screwed over. If it’s right for them, it’s right for us too.

I recently checked out the resurrected Men’s Liberation Movement on Reddit, and it is a disaster. You are not allowed to attack feminism!

I would instead identify with some of the more radical wings of the Masculinist Movement who broke away early on. Interestingly, some of the most prominent among them were gay men. Gay men have always been an integral part of the Men’s Movement, and we need to welcome them with open arms.

After reading several of these threads about the “Friendzone” and “nice guys”, I’ve come to realize that the discussion universally ignores two very important things:

1) lying

and

2) age

Within my comments below is the direct answer to the question “Why do girls reject guys who are good to them…”.

1. LYING

Women lie.  Compulsively. They say they want to be treated kindly, with respect, by a nice smart guy who knows how to be a gentleman blah blah blah. But, more often than not, they’re lying. They usually do not respond positively (i.e. with attraction) to kind, respectful treatment from nice smart guys.

They respond positively to bad boys, punks, criminals, sleazy pickup artists, motorcycle gang members, drag-racers, rock band members, trash-talking rappers, jocks, and other guys who they find exciting. They respond to guys who put them on an emotional rollercoaster, up and down.

They often respond positively to guys who abuse them or treat them like shit. Not because they like being treated like shit, *per se*, but because being treated like shit, and then being sexually ravaged, (i.e. ultra-cold, then super-hot), is exciting, thrilling, highly attractive, and emotionally addictive.

There’s nothing wrong with any of that. There’s nothing wrong with liking what you like, and being attracted to what you’re attracted to. What’s wrong is lying about it, which women do all the time. And the lying, understandably, confuses men something awful.

They think that the women are telling them the truth about how they want a nice guy who will treat them with respect, open doors for them, buy nice things for them, and all that. Then, when the guy gives them those things, the woman responds with indifference and “lets just be friends”. WTF?! – says the guy, understandably.

This is where all the crap about “entitlement” comes from. Very few guys actually feel entitled to sexual attraction or engagement, but they are terribly confused about why it is not happening after he takes her at her word and gives her what she says she wants.

And who can blame them? Well, actually, some morons do blame them. There’s a whole lot of man-hating and -shaming going on in this discussion, I’ve noticed, rooted in the failure to see that men’s sometimes-inappropriate reactions are occasioned by women’s chronic lying.

2. Age

What I wrote above about what women positively respond to in a man,  applies largely to women in their prime years, approximately age 18 through 30. Those are the woman’s years of sexual experimentation, of going for all of the most sexually exciting men: mysterious wild bad boys, Alphas and  high-status men (sports stars, rock stars, etc.) at whom all the other women are throwing themselves, and a variety of “interesting” high-testosterone types including slick PUA’s, guys who are perpetually getting in fights or scrapes with the law, guys who are heavy into drugs, etc.

Having sex with a bunch of guys of these genres is very exciting and emotionally riveting. And the “nice guys” are a bore, except as an occasional shoulder to cry on about how terribly the asshole/bad-boy boyfriend is using and abusing them.

However, as the years go by, things change. Our wild ‘n free young woman
hits “the wall” – a moment typically in late 20’s or early 30’s when her looks start to fade rapidly. She is no longer as attractive to the Alphas and bad boys or to men in general. They stop calling her.

As this is happening, she realizes that her fertility clock is ticking, and that the Alphas and bad boys are not going to give her what she wants for the long term like stable marriage, material support, and so on. She begins to look at other men – the men she had rejected and friendzoned before, the “nice guys” – in a different light. These are the guys, she then realizes, that could give her what the men she chased earlier will not.

The only problem is that many of these “nice guys” are now successful, comfortable and confident, and are actually becoming more attractive with age, rather than less. They’ve grown up and become a little less “nice” and a little more manly. They’ve taken care of their health and acquired some style, and some of them morph from nerdy to quite handsome and sexy.

They may not want the older female, often a single mother, overweight and/or with generally deteriorating looks. Instead, they go for that (substantial) fraction of younger women – younger and a whole lot hotter and sexier – who like older successful guys. The “nice guy” who got friendzoned and sexually shut-out in his 20’s, now has the power in his 30’s and 40’s.

Meanwhile, our formerly-young free-spirit female is facing grim options, like say two offers for dates last month – both from unattractive, much older men. “What happened to all the good men?”, she cries. The answer is that they were there all along, and she ignored them, and now they have no interest in her. She may wind up living a barren life, hanging out on personals sites and hoping that some slightly attractive guy will see how awesome she truly is, regardless of her looks. Rots of ruck.

One author, an older “nice guy”, puts it poignantly: “Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore.”

With the passage of years, things are likely to get better and better for the “nice guy” types and worse and worse for the women who friendzoned and sexually rejected them. Not to mention much worse for many of the bad boy types that they once prized: alcoholism, addiction, disastrous accidents, prison, disease, burnout, etc.

The exception to this is the “nice guy” who can’t get over having been rejected and marginalized – becoming, over the years, embittered and withdrawn. Many in the MGTOW movement are this type. But it is his choice. He could grow up, mature, work on himself, and become much more attractive to women – even young, hot women – than he ever was before.

Some women say that women are “stupid” for going for the bad boys, etc. But that’s not true. They are not stupid; they are emotional, and they love the emotional roller-coaster ride.

For a woman to give sound relationship advice, she needs to be honest with herself and others about the following:

1.Women are hypergamous, they are not naturally monogamous.

2.Women fitness test. Sometimes consciously, sometimes subconsciously.  With rare exception, they all do it.

3. Women often don’t say what they really mean.

4. Women often speak in partial truths and half truths. A perfect example:  when a woman says she just wants a nice guy who will treat her right, what she really means is “I just want a hot, good looking, confident guy who will be nice to me, commit to me, have sex only with me, and treat me right.” Half the battle would be fought and won if  women would just be clear and honest about this.)

5. All women have a rationalization hamster. I’ve seen girls as young as 10 rationalizing.

6. Women often say one thing and then do the exact opposite  Examples: “I  just want a nice guy who will treat me right” then run off with Harley Biker Badboy; or “I don’t want to get in a serious relationship right now” then a month later, she’s hot and heavy with Dr. Medical Student.)

Part of what is done here is to have honest conversations about these  issues. Feminism and the mainstream media ignores things like female  duplicity, hypergamy, female cheating, women initiating at least 70% of  divorces, etc. and instead falsely blames men for what women and feminism have wrought.

A few women like Susan Walsh get it. Most still don’t, including my mother and every woman I knew until I was 30 years old. I was told to “be nice” and “be yourself”. My father’s sole relationship advice? “Keep your d**k in your pants. If you don’t you’re playing  with fire.”

This is the most useless advice any parents could ever give their son. It condemns a young man to neverending frustration, anger, bitterness and withdrawal. It makes you spin your head in disbelief that the jerks, the thugs and the a$$holes get all the girls. “How can that be? They’re not “nice”. Why do they get all the girls? I was told that I was supposed to be “nice” and I would be swimming in girls. Why is this not happening?”

So then I was told that evidently I must not be “nice” enough and I should be “nicer”. Heh. The frustration is only amplified when he finds out that what everyone told him was absolutely 180 degrees from the truth.

Proposal for a Supportable Feminism and MRA

I think we should support any non-misandric feminism. That is, any feminism that is just about obtaining rights for women and not about hating men or persecuting men should be supported. And I am sure that there are females out there who feel this way. The much-discussed Liberal Feminism is along these lines, but I do not like the conservative to Libertarian overtones of Liberal Feminism.

I think we should support any non-misogynistic MRA movement. Of course the existing MRA’s are for the most part wildly misogynistic, but I do not see why it has to be that way. An MRA movement should be about obtaining rights for men, not hating women. Anyway, it is the feminists who are persecuting us, not women in general.

Remember there are two kinds of women:

Gender feminists

Real women

We have nothing whatsoever against Liberal Feminists and real women. It’s the gender feminists that we have a beef with, which honestly is most of them. All major feminist organizations are Gender Feminist-based and most prominent feminists are Gender Feminists.

Identity Politics Groups Don’t Want Equality, They Want Domination

None of these Identity Politics groups want equality. First they want equality, and then they get it, but they still need a reason to exist, so they just keep upping their demands. The whole equality thing is a ruse. None of these groups want equality. They all want to persecute the enemy Identity faction and Lord it over them.

Feminists want to persecute the men and dominate us.

Blacks want to persecute the Whites and dominate us.

Latinos want to persecute Whites and dominate us.

MRA’s want to persecute women and dominate them.

We should have never fallen for this crap in the first place. We were stupid. To think that any group in a capitalist society full of individuals and groups in ruthless competition with each other for resources would ever be for mere equality with their enemies is a sick joke. It’s like saying armies fight wars so they can reach a truce. Nope. They fight wars so they can defeat the other side and dominate them.

Statement on MRA’s

Frizzled writes:

The whole tranny thing of forcing women to accept you’re one of them, blackmailing them into fucking you as a “lesbian” and declaring Jihad on any dissent seems to be close to Men’s Rights Activism, another cause dear to Robert’s heart.

Are you male or female, frizzled?

I don’t like almost all MRA assholes. However, men are in need of equal rights these days because they are systematically oppressed by feminists. I would say that women are also in need of equal rights too. Equal rights feminism is still a great idea which I support very much. Just not real keen on man-hating bitches who hate heterosexual sex, eh? The more you think about it, they are the enemies of all of us men. However, if a woman told me that MRA’s are the enemies of all of us women so she hated them, I would not argue with her. I think if I were a woman, I would hate MRA’s myself and consider them my enemies.

I support pro-women MRA.
I support pro-male feminism.

Both genders need equal rights and hating the opposite sex is just wrong.

“My Wife Was Addicted to Ashley Madison”

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This man had good looks, very high status (owned his own tech company), a high income ($1 million/year), a great deal of wealth (millionaire, lived in $1 million home), much in common with his wife, and his marriage still turned to shit.

This guy needs Redpill or some sort of male self-help group’s advise. Actually, he did show up on Reddit Redpill soon after this story broke. A lot of the guys completely ripped him a new one, which I thought was pretty lousy. The man blames the whole thing on the (Jewish?) scumbag who ran Ashley Madison, who he calls a sociopath. Well, he is a sociopath. Of course he is. He also blames his wife’s mental illness for her behavior. She is either a Borderline or what Beatrix calls a “high-conflict woman” Cluster B type who displays Borderline traits but functions too well to be a Borderline.

The guys on Redpill thought it was stupid to blame the sociopathic website owner and his Borderline wife for the behavior. I do not know what to say to that.

For 18 years of marriage, his wife was a cold fish in bed and refused to do anything even slightly kinky, either oral sex (giving or receiving). She posted a dirty profile on Ashley Madison as a wild bitch down for all sorts of kinky fun (that she was denying her husband). He found her conversations on her cellphone with her group of married female friends who were all either cheating on their husbands or encouraging and egging on the others to cheat. One woman was passing around a photo of a huge cock of the guy she was cheating on her husband with, saying, “You girls could be having this right now instead of your lame husbands. Come join the fun!”

He caught her cheating previously last year and then when the scandal broke, he found her profile in the leaked data and caught her again. He has two boys who don’t know what their mother did. Apparently they are divorcing. When husbands catch wives cheating without permission, 95% of the time, the man asks for a divorce. When wives catch their husbands cheating, they demand divorce at a much lower rate. Apparently women will put up with a lot more crap from men than vice versa. The Reddit men were saying this guy was an idiot for taking her back after the first time and forgiving her.

There were 30 million male profiles on Ashley Madison and 5 million female profiles. A very close examination revealed only 1,500 real active females among that 5 million. 30 million men competing for 1,500 men. World’s biggest sausage fest?

The site was very sleazy. The very large number of the female profiles on the site were fakes created by Ashley Madison.When you join the site for free, you soon get profile visits, chat requests and mails from hot, horny looking babes. Usually of these women are either fakes being run by employees or computer programs, that is, not even real female humans at all. The purpose of this is to get you to pay to join the site. After you pay, all of the visits, mails and chat requests vanish. Attempts to respond to the female visitors, mailers and chat requesters all fail because the women are not even real. This is typical and most dating sites do this. There were a very few real women on the site, and apparently a few guys did well.

I do not have much at all to say about this matter. Feel free to comment.

Why Feminists and the MRA’s Are Both Wrong

Something finally dawned on me. I was talking to a feminist the other day (you really don’t need to know who that was), and I mentioned MRA’s, or Men’s Rights Activists. She saw red and became absolutely furious at the very mention of the phrase. Apparently MRA’s are simply evil, or wrong, or assholes, or something. Anyway, she made it clear that MRA’s suck. This is the attitude of almost all feminists: that MRA’s are evil, it is a misogynistic, wicked movement, etc.

However, the more time I have spent around MRA’s, the more I noticed that they are just like feminists. MRA’s are the other side of the feminist mirror. Turn a feminist around, make her into the exact same thing as a feminist except her direct opposite, and wa-lah! You have an MRA. Now, I happen to think feminists suck. As a man, I have good reason to think that, as feminists are pretty much the enemies of the men. Now this feminist may well believe that MRA’s are the enemies of the women. And sad to say, that is exactly how some of them come off.

So,

Feminists are the enemies of the men,

yet

MRA’s are the enemies of the women.

See what I mean? You are just turning the mirror around. It’s the same person. Turn an MRA around, and you have a feminut. Turn a feminist around, and you have an MRA kook. Get it? They’re the same damn people! One type is just the mirror and completely opposite image of the other side’s kookery.

Personally, I think if women ought to fight for their equal rights, then feminism is justified (at least the equal rights type).

But why must only females fight for their rights? Don’t males have a right to fight for their equal rights too? Well of course they do. Then MRA’s are justified at least as a movement that fights for equal rights for men.

Now feminists will counter this with an interesting argument that bears listening to (not all feminist arguments are crazy): Feminists simply argue that women have to fight for their rights because they are oppressed or slaves, while males are on top and already have all the rights they need, so they don’t need to fight for their rights, and indeed, Men’s Rights just means giving oppressors or slaveowners more rights. Obviously only slaves need liberation. Surely slave owners do not need liberation too! We took that argument out in 1865.

However, this argument is problematic because with the coming of Female Rule (an Oppressive Matriarchy that openly assaults men), it is becoming increasingly obvious that men are definitely in need of equal rights as women take away more and more of our rights and oppress us more and more, which has honestly been the result of feminism political power in the West.

So probably in the West women and men are both systematically oppressed either by society or law, and both are in need of equal rights, so both feminism and MRM are justified on an equity basis.

But then I observed something else. This feminist absolutely hates misogynists and misogyny. There is literally nothing worse than a man who hates women. That is just pure, sheer evil. Now misogynists are pretty nasty creatures, let’s face it. It’s an ugly philosophy, and women have a right to dislike their haters. But this feminist also completely rejects the argument that men who have lots of bad experiences with women have a right to be misogynists. Fair enough.

And yet…and yet…

I have brought up women who hate men to this feminist before, and she has always tried to justify them. “Well, she had a lot of bad experiences with men,” or “Yes, Simone Beauvoir was a man-hater, but Sartre was her husband and he didn’t treat her very well.”

In other words, feminists justify women who hate men on the basis that men treated them badly but then refuse to justify men who hate women on the basis that women treated them badly.

Rational? Of course not.

Now MRA’s are the same way. MRA’s are always railing against misandry and women who are man-haters, and for good reason. These are some pretty damn nasty creatures. On the other hand, one major theme of the MRM is that misogyny in men is completely justified.

Ok, now how can these views possibly make sense? How can this feminist possibly believe that women being man-haters due to bad treatment by men is understandable and even laudable, while men being woman-haters due to bad treatment by women is the ultimate in evil? This cannot be reasonable. Or can it?

In a proper moral philosophy, either:

1. Women who hate men due to bad treatment by men and men who hate women due to bad treatment by women are both acceptable,

or

2. Women who hate men due to bad treatment by women and men who hate women due to bad treatment by women are both unacceptable.

Either they’re both ok, as we figure damaged people are understandably haters, or they are both no good, as we figure that no matter what you go through, you don’t turn into a bigot.

Right?

But what you can’t have is a universe where one is ok and the other is not (the worlds of the feminists and the MRA’s).

However!

Such a universe,

where misandrists are understandable and even laudable and misogynists are Satanic,

or

misogynists are understandable and even rational while misandrists are wicked,

can only be true under one condition:

And that condition is that the other side is Evil.

Now let us examine what feminists and MRA’s are really saying.

When a feminist says female misandry is understandable and even a good thing, while male misogyny is wrong and despicable, what she is saying is this:

Female misandry is acceptable because Men are Evil. Male misogyny is wrong because Women are Good. Surely it is correct to laud those who hate Evil and despise those who hate Good, correct?

And of course, on the other hand, when an MRA says male misogyny is understandable and even logical while female misandry is deplorable and disgusting, what he is saying this is:

Male misogyny is acceptable because Women are Evil. Female misandry is wrong because Men are Good. Once again, we are back at Square One of Moral Philosophy, that those who hate evil are proper and even heroic while those who hate Good are wrong and even malevolent.

Once again, we see the same person switching genders and reversing the mirror, no?

Do you follow me here?

The Latest Outrage from the Feminist Enemy

Feminists are outlawing paternity testing.

France has actually made it illegal for a man to do paternity testing on the kid that his wife had. Incredible. And it is de facto illegal in Germany. In France, you need the woman’s approval to do paternity testing (!?) and good luck getting it! I can’t believe how insane this is.

This is exactly where women will go if you let them. Everything for the woman, nothing, or less than nothing, for the man.

In fact, there is a significant feminist movement in favor of “social parenting rather than genetic parenting.” That means you are on the hook for child support even if the kid that your cheating whore wife bore isn’t even yours! WTF.

There is a reason why male cheating has traditionally been more tolerated than female cheating. Female cheating is hated so much that the male victims of it are typically shamed or humiliated as “cuckolds.” If you read Shakespeare you will see many references to cuckolding. At that time, the worst insult you can say to a man would be to accuse him of being a cuckold. In fact, the word “horny” comes from the cuckolding concept. So does the idea of creeping up behind a man and putting a peace sign over his head. When you hold up two fingers over a man’s head, those are “horns.” It means he is wearing horns, that is, he is cuckolded, and this is where the word “horny” comes from.

The concept is also seen in the Spanish language, where cabron is the worst thing you can say to a man, and will often get you punched or even killed. Men in Latin America will kill over that insult. To call a man a cabron is to call him a male goat. Male goats have horns. If a man is “wearing horns” he has been cuckolded.

Let’s face it, no matter how much a woman’s partner cheats, when she has a baby, she can be assured that it is her child. This is very important – ownership of the child is very important. If a woman cheats on her man and has a baby, the man has no idea whatsoever whether that kid is his or not. He cannot be assured that that is his child (see above for women always being assured of ownership).

So when a woman cheats, her man is not sure of ownership of the child, and when the man cheats, she is at least sure that she owns any children that come out of her. Owing a child is very important. If a man is not sure that his child is his, he ends up raising another man’s child born by his woman. That is the last thing on Earth any man wants to do. Biologically, any male would consider raising another man’s child unknowingly to be a complete waste of time and resources.

This is why women’s cheating is so much more serious. In order to discourage women from cheating, men who got cheated on by their women were utterly humiliated by all of society. The fear that a man had of being humiliated in this way was enough to make sure he kept his wife on a tight leash all the time.

It also gave rise to the common reaction when a man catches his woman in bed with another man. It is quite common in such a case for the wronged man to kill both his woman and her boyfriend. In addition, many patriarchal societies simply murder women who are caught cheating. It’s right there in there social structure. This is probably another reason female sexuality was kept on such a tight leash by societies the world over. It needed to be controlled because otherwise you would have women cheating all over the place and paternity and jealousy issues with the attendant humiliation and homicide. In order to prevent these bad things, societies considered female sexuality a wild animal that needed to be kept in a very secure cage.

Men – Ignore Masculinity at Your Own Peril

Homer Simpson writes:

If anything, it’s the women whom are the true gender enforcers, for what they find sexy in men is among the things that keep men behaving as they are. If you step out of line, then you won’t get any, or even get into the friend zone.

I was never really into hardcore masculinity. I was always a soft-spoken, rather androgynous type guy in the good sense of androgyny. After many years of that, I finally figured out that it doesn’t work. I got tired of getting called gay and bi and gay and having bi guys hitting on me. Incredibly enough, I even got gay-bashed a few times! I lost jobs when queer bosses fired me for not sucking their dicks. I got tired of my very own girlfriends accusing me of being gay or bi or neverendingly questioning me about whether I was gay or bi.
I got tired of girlfriends mocking me, laughing in my face, humiliating me, openly cuckolding me and trying to wear the pants. I got tired of being a pussy-whipped idiot.
I always had a deep masculine core, but it was sort of hidden. But anyone with half a brain could always see it pretty fast.
I decided to get a lot more into that masculine core. I actually enjoyed it, because that had always been an important part of my self, even if it wasn’t always out front.
I also got a lot more dominant with my girlfriends in bed and also out of bed. I started cussing out my girlfriends when they misbehaved, and even threatening them sometimes when they attacked my Achilles Heels with “attacks that I never allow anyone to make.”
I started making a lot more decisions. We are going to use this car rental agency. We are going to stay in this motel. We are going to eat at this restaurant. Instead of getting angry, my girlfriends looked relieved.
I figured out that most if not all women and girls want to be dominated in bed and even out of bed to some extent. My girlfriends started acting openly submissive in and even out of bed. Some started calling me Daddy and wanting to play Daddy – teenage daughter sexual age play games with me. They started asking me to play out rape fantasies, which in a couple of cases involved me “breaking into the house,” accosting them and having sex with them “against their will.” After I “raped” them, they would tell me that the sex was incredible.
The sex got a lot wilder and way more more perverted. My girlfriends would get these little girl voices with scared eyes in bed as we wrapped up in each other to go to sleep.
I started fighting with girlfriends a lot more, and the fights got extremely wild and even crazy. My girlfriends fought me harder and dirtier than they ever had. Some started physically assaulting me for the first time, something I had to figure out how to deal with.
My relationships also got a lot more intense and lasted a lot longer. Women fell more deeply and wildly in love with me than they ever had before. Girlfriends started fighting over me and actually threatening each other. I would meet a new woman, tell her I was dating two other women, and immediately she would give me her phone number. Girlfriends started spending a lot of money on me and showering me with gifts. They became insanely jealous of other women and demanded that I be with them only. They acted like guard dogs around me, defending me against the depredations of other women.
For the first time in a while, women started asking me to marry them. This grew more common. There also a lot of requests to move in with women. Women hopped on airplanes to come see me from very long distances. They bought plane tickets for me to some see them thousands of miles away.
Girlfriend A would be over at my house and Girlfriend B would call on the phone. Instead of getting furious Woman A would pick it up, laugh and say, “It’s your wife,” and hand the phone to me. I would be lying in bed Woman A at 11 PM when Woman C would call me on the phone. I would get out of bed and take the call outdoors. When C asked me what I was doing, I would tell her that Woman A was visiting me now and I was in bed with A when C called. Woman C would get visibly excited and start talking dirty to me. I would go back to bed, and A would ask who it was. I would tell her it was Woman C and instead of getting angry, she would start laughing.
I started reading Game blogs and realized that these idiots who I had castigated before were actually right. They were still narcissistic misogynistic shits, but they had actually managed to figure out women.
I started realizing that there was something to this masculinity stuff after all. I got a much more Gender Realist and biological idea of gender, which was endlessly confirmed to me by women in my life.
I realized that all the leftwingers and feminists who had castigated masculinity and played a role in me downplaying it while playing the role of a “modern feminist man” were simply dead wrong, so I trashed the Left and feminist view of sex and gender.
I started realizing that most of us are slaves to Mother Nature and that Mother Nature always bats last.
And once I figured that out for real, as you can see above, my life got a whole lot better.
Men, I do not care how leftwing or feminist you are, you ignore and downplay masculinity at your own risk.
I am warning you.

10 Similarities Between Conservatives and Radical Feminists

10 Similarities Between Conservatives and Radical Feminists

the-horseshoe-theory:

The Horseshoe Theory states simply that, as you get more and more extreme with respect to a political view (ex: more and more left-wing), you “horseshoe” back around and your actions become similar to that of your philosophical opposite (ex: begin acting more right-wing).
Generalizations of common beliefs between radfems and conservatives.

  1. Generally tend to be middle class+ and white.

  2. They believe women have no sexual agency — conservatives believe the man should make the decisions, and radical feminists believe that the patriarchy makes women straight, and they couldn’t possibly like having sex with men.

  3. Furthermore, both oppose any amount of kink and claim BDSM is harmful.

  4. Both believe in compulsory sexuality — conservatives believe everyone should be straight, and radfems believe all women should be gay.

  5. Both believe that anyone who doesn’t agree with them on topics regarding rape are lying about it happening and should have vulgar acts done to them.

  6. Both groups are racist as hell, and often resort to the “I have a black friend!” excuse. Both will vehemently deny being racist, too. Conservatives will talk about how the Republican party is the party of Lincoln, and radical feminists will talk about how the first radical feminists were black.

  7. Both hate trans* people with a burning passion and think they’re a fake man/woman who is trying to “invade” or take over.

  8. Both think porn is evil and a scourge on society.

  9. Both believe consent doesn’t exist and that, even if two adults consent, a sexual act can be immoral and harmful to other parties.

  10. Both hate, hate, hate, hate gay men. Conservatives view them…well, we know how they view them. Radical feminists believe they are…

Sadly, there is a lot of truth to this. Radical feminists are frankly insane, and much of the feminist movement has been taken over by radfems. Many feminist heroes and icons are or were radfems. Many of these icons also strike me as possibly being mentally ill in some way.
Let us go through the charges.
1. True.
2. Pretty much true. At the very least radfems say that women are going to be a lot more fulfilled having sex with women than having sex with men due to inherent differences and power differentials existing between men and women. Other than that, they all believe that there are not enough lesbians, and we really need to increase the number of lesbians. The % of lesbians in the radfem movement is very high.
A number of others are deliberately raising their kids alone without fathers. Quite a few of them state that they hate raising their boys, and if they had their way, they would only raise girls. Some radfems have advocated that mothers kill their sons. Others adopt political lesbianism and lesbian separatism. The hatred for men (misandry) is extremely high among radfems, and in general, they do not believe that there are any good men at all. Nevertheless, quite a few radfems have boyfriends or husbands.
3. True, and I hate to say it, but the radfems may actually be onto something here. More on this later.
4. I went over radfems’ beliefs about lesbianism earlier. In fact, quite a few radfems actually believe that all women should be lesbians.
5. Radfems are pretty insane on the subject of rape. Rape paranoia is epidemic among radfems and is a continual redefining of the definition of rape downwards more and more away from the traditional legal definition and into some very murky area. Radfems to not have a high opinion of their critics – the general attitude is, “Go to Hell!”
6. Conservatives are racist. Well, most of them are anyway. I think there are a few conservatives who are not all that racist. At least they seem to be able to have Black friends or lovers without problems. The charge seems false against radfems; they are radical antiracists.
7. I do not know about this one, but I think there is some truth to it. Some of them say that transsexualism is harmful to women because radfems have a mission to get rid of gender. The other belief mentioned – that radfems believe that some transwomen are men invading women’s space, or that transmen are no longer women and should be thrown out of, say, women’s colleges, are widespread. Now whether they hate them like conservatives do, I am not sure.
8. This is absolutely true, at least of radfems. They want to wipe porn and prostitution off the face of the Earth.
9. This is absolutely true, at least of radfems, who have an utterly insane notion of consent, often saying that there is no such thing.
10. True about conservatives, not sure what they are getting at with regard to radfems. I always thought radfems were gay male-friendly.
The truth is that radical feminism is an insane ideology and most of the women in it are in my opinion mentally ill in some way or another. I have known some men who got into radical feminism, and their behavior was pretty ridiculous and pathetic, not to mention wimpy to the extreme. No sane male, even a liberal or Leftist man, should support this lunatic, ferociously antimale or misandrist ideology. Any male who does is essentially a gender traitor who has gone over to the enemy.
Radfems often counterpoint the feminists that they hate as what they call liberal feminists or libfems. Libfems are often described as sex-positive and have believe that prostitution should be legal and females in porn should be supported. Both occupations may be fulfilling and liberating. Libfems also often support BD/SM.
I believe that liberal feminism is something that a lot of us men, even masculinists, members of the Manosphere or liberal and progressive men, could get behind. What’s wrong with liberation, after all? Isn’t liberation what the Left is all about?
Sane males can reasonably say that they support liberal feminism while staunchly opposing radical feminism. That seems a lot better than out and out feminist-hating, which feels reactionary.

Types in the Manosphere Part 2

A very nice site called Gunlord lists the various components of the Manosphere. In this piece, we will examine five of the sub-movements – Aspies, Men’s Rights, PUA’s, Child Custody Advocates and TFL’s or Incels.
Aspies: Supposedly think even non-Aspie men are women-lite. Not sure what this means, but apparently women are just too emo for Spock-type Aspies, and even non-Aspie men are way too emo for these stoic and rational STEM types. Never heard of one of these sites, but it has no appeal to me. I have no idea of their politics.
Men’s rights: The MRA guys. The Men’s Rights groups are fighting for equal rights for men, which on the surface seems pretty weird. A lot of these guys, like Paul Elam at A Voice for Men, are pretty misogynistic. His comments section is even worse.
One wonders why men even need equal rights, and the notion that we live in a Matriarchy instead of a Patriarchy is a bit bizarre. Sure, feminists are pushing women way past their demands for equality, and they are making some pretty lunatic demands that are starting to impinge on the type of world we men want to live in. But at the end of the day, MRA guys just strike me as silly. They are fighting for something that doesn’t need to be fought for (men’s equal rights) because it already exists. Politically, they are mostly Libertarian.
PUA’s: These are the much-maligned pickup artists. PUA’s  try to teach men “Game” in order to help them get women. At first this seems reasonable, and men have been doing this forever. I remember the How to Pick Up Girls books on sale in the 1970’s. There is a famous classic Latin book by a Roman author called On Love that is really How to Pick Up Girls 2000 years ago. Some of my friends bought these books and said they had good advice that worked pretty well in real life.
Obviously there are tricks of the trade. The wildest womanizers are not just regular guys. They have a whole fancy bag of tricks that they regularly use to seduce and bed woman after woman. If you want to be a playboy, “being yourself” won’t cut it. You’re going to need a toolset, and many of these tools straddle the fence of morality.
The problem is that what they teach you in Game is how to be a tool and an asshole. How to treat women like crap. How to more or less date rape women. How to fight against a “bitch shield” which seems rude. When I get a bitch shield, I walk away from the cunt. These guys hammer away at it with a battering ram like cops at a locked door.
A lot of the tricks are sleazy, disgusting and downright dishonest. I would not use these immoral methods no matter how many women they got me. A gentlemen, even an aging roue, should set some limits on his degeneracy. At some point, your behavior is so low that you are a scumbag. I am not interested in being a scumbag. PUA guys think being a scumbag is man’s highest calling.
These sites also engage in hypermasculinity where they all try to be more “Alpha” than everyone else. The PUA message is, “All guys need to become Alphas.” Except that will not work because in most societies, only maybe 15% of the males are true Alphas. Also real Alphas don’t go around yelling how Alpha they are and constantly starting fights for no reason with other men.
These sites have a very aggressive, super-macho air to them with a heavy atmosphere of misogyny, homophobia, aggression, hostility and even menace. When you read the comments sections, you might think you are at a Rapists Convention. They are full of contempt for male pussies, wussies, wimps, manginas and “Betas.” Hating Betas is particularly dumb as probably 70% of men are Betas by default anyway.
The biggest PUA guys come off like super jackasses, and reading them is very cringe-inducing.
PUA politics is not discussed a lot, but when it is, they tend to be Libertarians, although one of their biggest leaders, Roosh, is a fairly progressive guy.
Child custody rights advocates: These guys want to reform divorce and custody laws. As you might guess, they are all divorced and have kids. They lost a lot of money in the divorce, and the bitches won’t let them see the kid(s). These guys are often middle-aged and they are some of the angriest men in the whole Manosphere. They are on a jihad against their Wicked Witch of the West wives who really do represent all women.
These men like to go to jail voluntarily instead of paying child support and litigate endlessly in the courts. A few of them have staged events such as public suicides on courthouse steps. Such pathetic idiots, lauded as martyrs, are the heroes of the movement. This group of men is so angry at women that it is actually frightening to be on one of their forums. Threats of violence are common, and a lot of them collect weapons. This is a community of very angry older, often middle-aged, men who are two steps away from going postal. Politically, Republican Party to Libertarian.
Incels or TFL’s (True Forced Loneliness): I have already been over these types before in previous pieces. These poor sods are probably too upset to have any sort of politics at all. Eliot Rodger, famous incel mass shooter, was apparently a liberal Democrat, not that that means much except that their politics is probably all over the place and not very important anyway.

Robert Stark Interview with Me on Eliot Rodger

This is a transcript of my interview with Robert Stark about the Eliot Rodger mass shooting case. I decided to make the transcript because the audio quality was so awful that it was very hard to listen to.
I really like the way this interview turned out. We talked about a lot of great things and I think it is very interesting. I believe a lot of you readers might like to read this transcript, and I think you might get something out of it. So feel free to dive in and comment if you wish.

Robert Stark Interview with Me on Eliot Rodger

Robert Stark: We were discussing this Eliot Rodger guy…for me, I live in Santa Barbara, so this was local. However, I believe that this was not just a local event – it was nationwide. When you first heard about this in the news, what was your initial reaction?
Robert Lindsay: A friend of mine came to me the next day – Sunday morning – on the Internet, and he said, “There’s been another shooting.” He wouldn’t give me any details, but then I went and looked it up, and at first I didn’t know much about it, so I didn’t understand what was going on. I just figured it’s another mass shooting, and I didn’t really understand why. Then, over the next few days, the reasons came out because he sent in his manifesto.
RS: For a person to go out and shoot random people, or total strangers…well it would be one thing if someone went out and harmed someone who they knew they were angry at, but to go out and shoot random people, I think someone would have to be pretty mentally tormented.
RL: I really get tired of hearing the attitude that all these people are mentally ill, and we need to treat the mentally ill better. They say, “The problem isn’t guns – the problem is crazy people.” But the thing is – these people are often not mentally ill at all. You don’t have to be mentally ill to grab a gun and try to shoot as many people as you can.
RS: I totally agree with you – I said mentally tormented, not mentally ill. Mental illness is something you are born with. Someone could start off relatively normal, but they could drive themselves insane. I think there is a distinction there.
RL: Well, that is exactly what this guy did! I read his manifesto, and up until age he was 11 or 12, he was rather shy, but other than that he was very normal, very happy, very sociable young boy. He was pretty healthy in his head as a young boy, and he just got more and more unhealthy as life went on.
RS: Yes, what he had was high-functioning Asperger’s Syndrome. But high-functioning Asperger’s Syndrome is not like schizophrenia. A lot of those people could function and be productive in society in the right environment. You read his manifesto. At what point in his life did he go from having a relatively normal childhood to where he ended up at?
RL: I think it all started at age 12. And it got really bad at age 13 and on into 14 – that’s when it hit him really bad. He got far gone from age 11 to age 16. He turned into a completely different person.
RS: Would you say it was because of the bullying in middle school?
RL: Yes! That’s what did it. And he couldn’t be popular. He was popular up until age 11 or so…that was the first year of middle school. In that year, it was ok…and the girls were nice to him. In elementary school, there were certain requirements to be popular, and they were not hard for him to live up to, but then it started changing.
Now it wasn’t like this when I was in 7th grade, but in 7th and 8th grade for Eliot, it was all about the guys who are liked by girls – the guys who are popular with the girls. And the girls were only hanging out with some of the guys, certain of the guys. The girls were all flocking to a few of the guys – the Alphas or whatever. When he first started junior high, he was pretty popular, but after a while, all the popular kids started shunning him and making fun of him, and all the girls started ridiculing him. People were tormenting him, every single day, all day long.
He would have to hide in a corner of the hallway until the hallways cleared, and that was the only way he could even get to class because people would run up to him and throw him into the lockers, or they would run up to him and steal his books out of his arms, and he would have to go chase them. They’d call him “faggot” and “weirdo.”
RS: Do you think it is worse today in that regard than when you were in high school?
RL: Bullying wasn’t that bad when I was in high school. But middle school was crazy! I wasn’t one of the ones who got bullied all the time. I got bullied to some extent, but…I was one of the bullies too. It was bully or be bullied. I wasn’t one of the real popular kids, but I wasn’t one of the rejects either. I had a lot of friends! But I wasn’t one of the cool kids, that’s for sure.
But I wasn’t so dorky that all the cool kids were beating up on me. The only ones who were beating up on me were these totally scummed out sociopath types. This one guy who hated me…we actually had a fight, a fistfight in the 8th grade. But then I had a whole bunch of friends who were my guys, and they weren’t losers, but they weren’t the popular kids either. They were cool people. I hung out with them, and they were my buddies. I had this great big wide circle of friends. And then we tormented the geeked out guys. I would get together with one of my friends, and we would torment one of those nerdy guys.
RS: If you remember the Columbine shooting – was that the main reason that shooting happened?
RL: I believe the shooters were bullied. There was not a whole lot of bullying going on at my high school. There were a few guys who were totally geeked out – I mean insanely geeked out. They were the biggest geeks in the whole school. They were so geeked out that if you saw them walking across the quad even from 100 yards away, if you’d never seen them before, you would say, “Whoa! What a geek!” You know? These guys were like circus freaks.
RS: What’s the deal with Asperger’s anyway? People keep using the term to mean anyone who is introverted.
RL: Yes, that’s really wrong. If you have any problems connecting to other people, if you have any social problems such as social phobia, if you have problems talking to people, problems relating to people…they automatically say you have Asperger’s! And that is completely wrong, 100% wrong. And if people say you’re weird, everyone says, “Oh, you must be an Aspie!” Well, no! There are lots and lots of really weird people ranging from a little bit weird to really, really weird, and they do not have Asperger’s, not even 1%!
RS: So what are the actual symptoms of Asperger’s?
RL: I don’t know! I mean…they’re weird, yes. But they are weird in certain particular ways, and they are introverted in particular ways. I think maybe I met one Aspie in my whole life, but I wasn’t able to confirm that he was an Aspie. Well, he was weird; he was weird as Hell. I mean really, really weird! He…acted like a robot, and he seemed mean and angry and cold. If you tried to talk to him, he wouldn’t even answer. So…he just seemed like a jerk – the biggest jerk you ever met! An antisocial person – he was just hostile! But apparently that was just his extreme introversion.
If you got him to talk at all, he would talk like a robot. And that’s really weird because you don’t often meet people who act like that. I mean you meet people who are shut down. You know how men sort of shut down their feelings? You know those guys who get into the macho thing, and they get this sort of monotone? Well, that’s one thing, but this guy sounded like a machine! He sounded like a robot.
And one time one of the fluorescent lights in the library went on the blink, and it started blinking on and off. You know how those lights go? They start flashing on and off, going Buh Buh Buh Buh Buh? It’s a little bit weird when those lights do that, sure, but this guy totally tripped on it! He was staring at with a blank stare on his face like he was on acid. You don’t normally see people tripping on a flashing light like they were on acid. He was…entranced by it. And that’s an autistic symptom.
Now, whether he was happy or not, I don’t know…but he functioned well enough…He was a computer genius, and they hired him to work on the computers in the library. Later he was going to college and had his own apartment. But he was a really schizoid type guy – he didn’t relate to other people at all – a real loner. I think he was an Aspie! I haven’t met any others, but that one I met was weird as Hell.
RS: With Eliot Rodger, people are saying he is a psychopath, but I don’t think that’s necessarily true.
RL: No! Absolutely not. I don’t believe it because – let me tell you something. Up until age 11 or 12, and maybe – maybe – even afterwards, he was a relatively normal kid. There are some signs of pathology, but most kids are pathological. You notice over and over, reading his autobiography, how much emphasis he places on whether or not someone was kind and goodhearted and loving and nice. Over and over, he compliments people – for instance, he would say, “My teacher was very, very kind. She was a nice person.” Psychopaths don’t say that!
RS: I think with Eliot, if he were brought up in the right environment, he had the potential to be a basically decent and productive member of society.
RL: Well, there are guys who are about as Aspie as he was…and they do all right.
RS: You know, some people with mental illnesses…like schizophrenia…can be extremely violent…but in general, people who are on the autistic spectrum are usually pretty peaceful.
RL: Ummm, yes, but if you talk to people who know them or live with them…some of these guys have gotten married and have kids…they have these things called meltdowns on a fairly regular basis, and it’s like a temper tantrum for adults. It’s just…part of being an Aspie.
RS: I think the problem is that because they are unable to express themselves, that rage is bottled up like that.
RL: Their rage supposedly comes from frustration because they are pretty much frustrated all the time. They can’t read other people, and other people can’t relate to them, and there is this total miscommunication going on all the time. They are constantly having their needs thwarted. And people who have their needs thwarted all the time get pretty angry…as we can see in the case of Eliot Rodger!
RS: Regarding rage, Eliot had a number of incidents. In one of them, he went to a party near the university…
RL: Yes, initially he tried to talk to some people, but they weren’t really talking to him. Before this, he would go to parties sometimes, and he would always get all isolated…standing up against the doorway or the wall, and everybody else would be talking and socializing and smoking dope and drinking, and Eliot would be all isolated and alone and no one talking to him, and after a while, he would start to feel weird and leave.
But this time, he went up to some people and started talking to them, and I guess it didn’t go very well, and then later he saw some Asian guy talking to a hot blond, and it really pissed him off. He decided to be really macho – he thought being macho would make him cool. He tried to be an Alpha. He walked right up to both of them, and he burned the guy, insulted him and pushed him aside, and then he got in next to the girl. And then both of them – the Asian guy and the blond girl – said, “Whoa! I think someone has had too much to drink!” And they got away from him.
Later on, he ended up on the lawn, and everyone else was having fun, and he was all alone on the lawn feeling like an idiot. The party went on, and Eliot ended up upstairs on the balcony, and I’m not sure if people were making fun of him or not – I don’t really know – I think they were just ignoring him.
But he started getting angrier and angrier, and…I guess it was a 10 foot balcony? I don’t know, if you fell from it, if you would get real hurt? I don’t know what was on the ground below, if it was grass or maybe a lawn. Apparently you could push people off this ledge pretty easily. He tried to push some of the girls off the deck! And a bunch of the guys got really mad, and they started pushing him too, and there was a pushing and shoving match…and they…pushed him off the deck. And I think he broke his ankle?
RS: He said he got really hurt, and no one would help him.
RL: Well, what do you expect? Everyone at the party hated him! He started walking away, and the people next door were having a party themselves apparently in tandem with the people who were having the party where he was at. Apparently they knew what had happened, and they started yelling at him, calling him “faggot” and “idiot.” I am not sure what happened, but a big fight ensued between Rodger and these guys, and…he got his ass beat by these guys. He got beat up. He got a broken leg. At some point as he was walking home, a girl helped him, but then he hobbled the rest of the way home. He was laid up with a broken leg for some time.
RS: Another thing that happened was he saw this couple on the beach, and he got some orange juice and sprayed super soakers on them.
RL: No, it was at a park, and it wasn’t a couple, it was a whole group of young men and women who were having a blast on a Sunday afternoon. He was watching them, and he started getting more and more angry, so he went and got a soaker and some orange juice, and he came back, and he started spraying it all over them. The group got mad, and they chased Eliot. He ran all the way back to his car and jumped in his car and took off.
RS: The other thing about him was that he was mixed race himself, and he particularly disliked mixed couples.
RL: Actually…he doesn’t talk much about that. I don’t think he had a big complex about that.
RS: I think that in the PC media, being a racist is the worst thing, and his racism got a lot of attention in the media…
RL: Well, first of all, the media keeps saying that he had a complex about being Asian. Not really true. In his early years, he had a bit of a complex about being Asian because he wanted to fit in as all his friends were White, and those were the people he was trying to fit in with.
RS: Did he feel that he was looked down upon by Whites?
RL: I don’t think so. They probably treated him better. White people treat minorities better if they are part-White. You see, nobody will ever admit to it, and I get called racist all the time for saying things like this, but let me tell you something! A Black person who is half-White will be treated a lot better by White people than a Black person who is all Black. A HAPA, a half-Asian, half-White, will be treated better by Whites than a full-blooded Asian.
The more White you have in you, the better White people treat you. That’s just the way it goes! It’s a simple fact! White nationalists probably would not agree with this, but the truth is that on some sort of a basic level, White people will respect someone who has a lot of White in them. They love the person for that…
RS: I think because he was Whiter than some people…he saw an Indian guy and then a Mexican guy and then a Black guy and then a full Asian guy, all with blond White women, and he hated seeing that. His attitude was, “Why is it that these inferior races could get a blond White woman and I couldn’t?”
RL: Well, you see, the thing is, everyone is saying that he had this big complex about being Asian, but…there are only a couple of references to that in the manifesto – when he was younger – but I think that at some point, maybe around age 12 or 13, he completely buried this aspect of himself. He just stuffed it – down into his subconscious. He repressed it. And from then on, he simply saw himself as fully White, as a White man, period.
RS: So was the issue that he felt that the White girls didn’t view him as a White man?
RL: Noo…noo…he just…saw himself as a White man! His attitude was, “Hey, I’m White!” And he does look White. In his videos, he looks like a White guy. A lot of times, you cross a White and an Asian, and you end up with a…White! You cross a White with an Indian from India, a often, you end up with a White person. White genes are pretty strong. They’re not as recessive as everybody thinks. Either that, or there are some genes that are even more recessive than White genes.
RS: So you don’t think the racial aspect of it is an issue.
RL: No! He doesn’t even look Asian. And he identified as White. And he looks White.
RS: Ok, so why did he get so mad when he saw some interracial couples?
RL: Well. He saw himself as some sort of budding White nationalist! He saw himself as, “Hey, I’m White, and I am a superior man,” and he thought Asians were inferior. He thought Asian guys were geeks and dweebs and idiots and fools. And he thought Black guys were complete animals – lowlifes.
RS: Yes, he made a big deal about how he was descended from British aristocracy…
RL: He was.
RS: He saw himself as better than other people.
RL: Yes, a really big part of him is that narcissism – that he needs to feel better than other people. That’s his main pathology. And probably that more than anything else caused his rampage. If you want to blame anything, blame his narcissism.
RS: He fluctuated between having very high self-esteem and having very low self-esteem.
RL: What do you expect? Do you understand how narcissism works? I don’t know if most people understand how narcissism works. In narcissism, we see these peaks and crashes. It’s either they think they are the greatest person in the whole world, but if they are ever reminded that they are not the greatest person in the whole world, then they might crash and think they are the lowest worm that ever crawled the face of the Earth. It’s either one or the other with these people. They can’t be regular. He either has to be king of the world, or he has to be lowest slug you’ve ever seen.
Some people think that deep down inside, narcissists have very low self-esteem, and in order to compensate for that, they have to create this huge ego. See, basically, what people are trying to do is – they’re trying to be normal. They are trying to get to that zero-state. They are trying to get to that…norm. They are trying to be ok. So when the narcissist is thinking, “I am the lowest worm that ever crawled the face of the Earth,” he’s -100 on an egotism scale. And you see…the farther down you are on that scale, the further up you have to go to be normal.
So if you’re -100 on egotism, you have to go to +100 to feel normal. If you think you are the lowest slug on the face of the Earth, you have to think you are King of the Universe in order to even feel normal. You see? Someone who just feels a little bit inferior would only have to feel a little bit superior to feel normal. I think people are trying to achieve the norm. And the more down you feel, the more up you have to be to get to that norm. And that’s why you see this bizarre fluctuating self-esteem in the narcissist where he’s like I am the greatest man that ever lived or else I am absolutely worthless.
RS: There’s a theory that he saw himself as the absolute gentleman, and when he saw girls with guys he viewed as lower than him, he thought those guys as obnoxious brutes.
RL: Well, yeah! That’s the whole nice guy thing. The feminists and the anti-PUA/Game people on the Net are going crazy over this nice guy thing. They refer it as nice guys (TM). And they are all saying that in truth, nice guys aren’t really very nice! Well…macho alphas who get all the women – they aren’t very nice either, are they?
But the whole line is wrong. Nice guys are nice! That’s what they are all about. And the attitude of the Manosphere is all about “nice guys finish last,” and the biggest assholes – the Alphas – get all the women, and the nice guys get the leftovers. We have heard all these things many times before. Obviously, there is some truth to it. Now, I’ve been a nice guy my whole life, and I’ve done pretty well with women, but on the other hand, I’m not a real nice guy. I’ve been told that I look like a sexual threat, and that I give off the appearance of someone who was experienced…with women.
RS: Don’t forget those serial killer glasses. You got rid of those. You got new glasses.
RL: Well…it’s not so much that women don’t like a nice guy, but more that they like a guy who has a sense of danger.
RS: Well…but Eliot turned out to be pretty dangerous…
RL: He didn’t look dangerous. He looked harmless. He keeps calling himself a mouse over and over in that manifesto of his. He says, “They treated me like I was a mouse…I felt like an insignificant little mouse.” So this is really a classic case of some guy who feels completely inferior – who feels like a mouse – and in order to compensate for that, he has to feel like a king…like God! He felt so low that even being King of the World wasn’t enough for him…he had to become God! He became God. I am God, destroyer of worlds!
RS: His fantasy was becoming a dictator and putting all women in concentration camps…and starving them to death while he watched them die…
RL: And in the end, he did become a God, did he not? Right? Wasn’t he  that night, when he was shooting people…wasn’t he God? Who can take your life away, Robert?
RS: Yes, I see what you mean. I see what you are getting at.
RL: Only God can give life, and only God can take life. And you know, I have talked to people who told me that they liked to fantasize about killing people…they told me that they were never going to do it, but it was sort of fun to think about it…and when they thought like this, they felt huge, 1000 feet tall, like God.
RS: You don’t have to answer this, but have you ever fantasized about killing people?
RL: Yes, of course, sure. Yes, I have. You know, I have fantasized about killing my enemies, and even, I even have fantasized about doing what Eliot did! I think a lot of us have, really.
RS: A lot of people fantasize about killing their enemies, but some people also fantasize about obliterating large numbers of human beings, of strangers.
RL: Sure, sure, of course. You know, you are driving down the street, and you look over, and there’s a sidewalk filled people, and you fantasize you have an AK-47 and some hand grenades…and you start firing the gun, and then you start throwing the hand grenades! You know, I have told people that I have thought about stuff like that, and at least with guys, they usually start laughing and say, “Yeah, so have I.” And these are guys who work in offices, wear ties, sit at a desk…
RS: But now, if you talk about that, you will be put on some watchlist.
RL: Well, look! Everybody thinks about things like that every now and then…but they aren’t serious. But if you are actually thinking about it like it is something you really, really want to do…that’s…completely different. I mean I thought about that stuff, but I knew that I wasn’t going to do it. You know?
RS: Have you ever felt like Eliot Rodger at some point in your life?
RL: Ummm. Yes. Yes. I have, yes.
RS: At his age, or…?
RL: It was more when I was older than he was. You know what? I can understand the guy’s feelings! If people don’t treat you nice, if everybody is sort of treating you like crap, you just…you sort of…you want to kill them! You want to kill the people who don’t treat you right. What people want is, as Carl Rogers said, unconditional positive regard.
They don’t want people communicating that there is something wrong with them, that they are weird, that you are screwed up…that’s all…it’s basically rejection. You know really – people should be careful about rejecting other people! Because when you reject someone, the basic primitive instinct of the person who you rejected is…”I’m going to kill you!” You know? Just for doing that to me, just for rejecting me. You insulted me!
RS: And there is a distinction between sexual rejection and social rejection. I think someone who is being sexually rejected but has a healthy enough social life is probably going to be ok. I think the problem is a combination of sexual and social rejection.
RL: Hey! Social life is very important! If you are at the point in your life where nobody’s even being friendly to you…nobody’s talking to you… you’re not talking to anyone…you don’t have any friends…you don’t talk to any people on the phone…nobody comes over…you don’t go visit anybody…I mean, that’s a pretty bad place to be! It’s lonely. It’s really, really lonely! You feel like you are all alone in the whole world. You’ve never felt so lonely in your life!
I’ve felt that way a few times when I moved to a new city…You see all these new people everywhere you go – total strangers – and you don’t know what to say to them! What are you going to say? Really, what you ought to be able to do is say, “Hi, I just moved to this town, and I don’t know a soul in this whole place. You want to be friends?” But you can’t do that! See? But you know? You really ought to be able to do something like that. I mean, what are you going to do?
You move to a whole new city all alone, and you don’t know one single person! But if you walk up to someone and say, “Hey, I just moved to this town all alone, and I do not know one single person in this whole town. You want to be friends?” Well, you’re considered to be weird! You’re weird! The problem is you are making yourself vulnerable, and that’s not really accepted.
People act like you move to a whole new town all alone, and within 24 hours, you are supposed to have a whole bunch of new friends. But if you say, “Hey,I just moved here. I don’t know a soul”…you’re pitiful! You know what? We’re not very nice! There are a lot of lonely people in our country, and we’re not very nice to them! People say, “Huh? What’s wrong with you? How come you can’t make friends? Why don’t you just go make some friends?”
That ain’t right. A lot of people have a hard time making friends, and they’re really lonely, and it shouldn’t be a shameful thing to say that you’re lonely or you don’t have any friends or, “Hey, you want to make friends?” It shouldn’t be a source of shame. And we have made it into a source of shame!
RS: These mass shootings – it seems to be largely an American phenomena. There have been a few in other countries, but by and large, it seems to be largely an American thing.
RL: Well. We’re the ones who let everyone have a gun, right?
RS: Well, other countries let you have a gun. I think it is something about American society that is different…
RL: Well. How many other countries let you have a semi-automatic weapon?
RS: In Switzerland, everyone has a gun.
RL: Do they let you have automatic weapons?
RS: I don’t know about that.
RL: Well, ok. You know, these automatic weapons come in awful handy for these mass shootings.
RS: In China, there have been some people going berserk with knives. The was a story about a 40 year old man going into an elementary school in China and chopping up a bunch of kids.
RL: Yes. There was another guy who went berserk with a bulldozer on a street, on a sidewalk. Well, you know, people will use whatever is handy for a weapon. But those semi-automatic weapons, they sure do make it easier!
RS: So what are your thoughts about the PUAHate site that Eliot was hanging out on?
RL: Oh! Yes. I went there! I went there before it got famous due to this Eliot Rodger thing. I went there a number of months ago. Well, on that site…these guys are really angry! And their whole thing is like, “We’re not getting any women! We’re all like, incels.” I don’t know if all of them have been virgins their whole lives or if they are just temporarily incel, which is no source of shame!
I mean I am temporarily incel right now. I’ve been temporarily incel many times in my life. I am at the moment. Maybe I have been temporarily incel now for…three months? It’s not the end of the world, you know? I mean everybody goes through this…but, at what point does incel become not normal and become Incel with a capital I? Anyway, about the PUAHate site, there are these guys on there, and they’re not getting any women, and a lot of them have spent a lot of money on these PUA con artists. They went to these boot camp things, or they bought all these tapes and videos.
RS: Some of those guys have spent thousands and thousands of dollars. I remember a while back, there was a similar shooting. There was a guy named George Sodini who shot up a gym for basically the same reason that Eliot Rodger did. He spent thousands of dollars on these pickup artist seminars.
RL: Yes, they can cost up to $3,000 to $5,000…to $10,000.
RS: And a lot of those guys are basically con artists.
RL: Of course they are con artists! Most of these PUA guys charging you for stuff are…classic con artists. They’re sociopaths. Narcissists, sociopaths, whatever…I mean that sort of thing was guaranteed…as soon as that PUA stuff came out, you knew a bunch of con artists were going to flock to that industry. That industry has a great big welcome mat, a giant flashing neon sign that says, “Con artists, come here! Con artists, right this way!” You know? It was perfectly designed for those types. And a lot of the biggest PUA guys…are con artists themselves…especially the ones who are charging you. They’re great big huge liars. They’re not ok people.
RS: What do you think of the media accusations where they say that the misogyny of the Manosphere is responsible for contributing to Eliot’s spree?
RL: Well, first of all…the United States is not a particularly misogynistic country on a worldwide basis, is it?
RS: Not at all. It is probably the least misogynistic country if you compare it to the rest of the world.
RL: Probably one of the least. Misogyny is much worse in Latin America, Sub-Saharan Africa, the Arab World, Iran, Pakistan, India, Nepal, and Bangladesh. What about Southeast Asia? I don’t know. In Japan, in China. Misogyny is the way of the world. In most of the world, women are second-class citizens. That’s just…normal.
RS: Would you say that those Manosphere sites like Roissy are misogynistic?
RL: Yes! Yes, Roissy’s site. Roissy is a misogynist, and his commenters are worse than he is, and they’re just feeding off each other. That whole scene is just…insanely misogynistic, really. But it’s not like Roissy doesn’t say things that are true…
RS: So what does Roissy say that is true?
RL: Well…a lot of what those guys are saying is true, and a lot of what misogynists say is true, unfortunately. A lot of what women who hate men say about men is true. But…both of them…they’re only seeing half the picture. I mean, there’s a huge downside to women. 50% of women is like a downside, and the other 50% is like an upside.
RS: You’ve been a misogynist at some point in your life.
RL: Yes, I got into that for a while. But it was odd, coming from a guy who had always loved females from an early age. I always just loved females. I never thought about it, never thought about the philosophy of it, whether it made sense philosophically or scientifically or whether females deserve to be hated or deserve to be loved…I just simply decided that I loved them, and that was that.
RS: When did you get into the misogyny thing?
RL: Well, it happened when I got older. I had worked myself into a bad state to where a lot of women were rejecting me, rejecting me for being weird. They were always like, “Whoa! You’re weird, dude.” Like that. And…I started hating them for that. Sort of like Eliot Rodger!
RS: This is a little bit off-topic, but you mentioned that you were racist for a while.
RL: Yes, I got into that for a while. I got into anti-Semitism. I don’t even know how it happened because I was always a Jew-lover, a Judeophile, my whole life. I loved Jews like i loved females, I never thought about it, I never analyzed it. Did Jews deserve to be loved? Did they deserve to be hated?
I came from a family of strong Judeophiles, and I was always like, “Woohoo! I love Jews!” You know? But then, in 2001, when the Israelis were shooting up Bethlehem, and they were shooting up the church where Jesus was born…You know, I’m a Christian! And those PLO guys were staying in the church, hiding there. And those Jews, even in the church where Jesus was born, they were killing people! They were murdering them!
RS: I think with the anti-Semitism thing and the misogyny thing, I know a lot of guys, when they first discover these things…or people in general, when they first discover stuff, they go through a phase where they are really angry or maybe racist or misogynistic, but after a while, they calm down, and they come to accept the group for what they are. Do you think that is true?
RL: I suppose, but I went the opposite way. I was raised to be non-racist! We were all raised to be non-racist. One time at the dinner table, I remember, one of us brothers said the word “nigger.”
RS: Was it you?
RL: I don’t know! I don’t remember who said it. It wasn’t the sort of word I used much back then. But, oh man! My father! My father just freaked out! I mean, all these Blacks and anti-racists who say “All Whites are racist,” how do they explain my father? He shut down the whole dinner right there. He made it clear that we were never, ever to use that word at the dinner table again. Why did my father shut down that whole dinner table conversation because someone said nigger? My Dad – he’s a racist?
RS: You said you called a guy that term once. You called him a nigger.
RL: Yes, I did. I did it. I was mad at him. We were having a fight. This Black guy and I were having this big huge fight, and I called him a nigger. I don’t know. I don’t feel bad about it. I’ll call anyone anything that they deserve to be called if I am mad enough…
RS: Sure, when you are in a fight with someone, you want to find the worst thing that you can possibly call that person.
RL: Of course. You’re going to look for their ethnicity, their race, their gender – if it’s a woman, you’re going to call her a cunt. If they’re gay, you’re going to call him a faggot. If they’re a different race, you’re going to call them nigger or beaner or spic or whatever. Or even a different ethnicity! If he’s an Arab, you call him a towelhead, if he’s French, you call him a frog. You just have to dig into your bag of tricks and find some appropriate insult andthrow it at them.
If you’re mad enough…if you and this other person are ready to punch each other, it’s perfectly acceptable to whip out the insults. If you do that, I don’t think it indicates how you feel deep down inside at all! That’s the anti-racist line, and it’s completely wrong!
RS: Exactly!
RL: It doesn’t mean you’re bigoted, or racist or sexist or homophobic. It just means you’re mad!
RS: So going back to the previous topic, these spree shootings seem to be becoming more and more common. Why do you think they are becoming more common?
RL: You mean the mass killings?
RS: Mass killings, yes. Like this Eliot Rodger case.
RL: Well…probably…they’re getting a lot of play in the media! And psycho-type people are looking at that and deciding to do it. It’s a case of “the more there are, the more there are,” you know what I mean? It’s like a suicide epidemic. A few people do it, then more people start doing it, and then, the more there are, the more there are! The more people are doing it, the more people think this is a cool thing to do. The behavior feeds off itself. It’s a vicious circle. It creates more of itself just by being there. The more of it there is, the more of it it spurs on, you know?
RS: Do you think this incel thing is more common than it was in the past?
RL: I don’t know! I grew up with a lot of guys who weren’t getting laid, so…it was pretty common. It was just normal. A lot of guys weren’t getting laid. It was almost…to be expected. It was like, “Of course you’re not having any sex. Well, you’re not married, right?” It might be weird that he’s not married, but the fact that he’s not married, and he’s not having any sex was not getting any sex was not considered weird at all. It was acknowledged that a few guys who weren’t married could get some sex but unmarried guys…back then – it was expected that you weren’t having sex. It was even harder then.
RS: I remember you wrote an article after the George Sodini case predicting that more guys would go nuts like that guy did.
RL: Yes. And it happened, right? And…there’s going to be more, even after this Eliot Rodger guy. We have not seen the end of this!
RS: So do you consider sex to be a necessary component of living a happy and effective life?
RL: Well, yes. But in a certain way, it isn’t like your needs for survival. It’s not like shitting and pissing and eating and drinking. If you quit sleeping, you’re going to die! If you quit shitting and pissing, you’re going to die. Without water, you can live for maybe three days. If you quit eating food, at some point, you’re just going to die. If you quit having sex, you’re not going to die!
RS: You wrote that these modern feminists are saying that these incel guys may just have to go years, decades or possibly their whole lives without sex.
RL: Yes, well, that’s exactly what they are saying, isn’t it? Isn’t that precisely what they are saying on these feminist sites? What are they saying? The feminists are saying, “Look! You guys have no right to sex! You’re entitled. You think you have a right to have sex.” The thing is, to these feminists, it is perfectly acceptable for a guy to go years, decades or even a lifetime without having sex with a woman because he had no right to sex! And he had no right to feel entitled that way.
And women have the right to turn down men…all the time! For a year, or a decade, or a lifetime. That’s their right. That’s women’s right. And some of you guys – you’re just going to lose out, and that’s just the way it goes. Because we’re the sexual gatekeepers.
And…you know…? That’s not an attitude…that’s going to fly very well! Tell you what. You go say that to a bunch of incel guys. Tell them, “Hey look. Women say you have no right to sex, and you’re going to get it whenever they decide to give it to you, and…you just might never get it! Because…maybe they just don’t feel like giving it to you!”
You know? You think that’s going to go over with those guys? You think these incel guys are just going to say, “Oh. Ok. Well, whether we get sex or not depends on whether the women want to give it to us. Ok. And maybe I’ll go my whole life and never have sex because…chicks just don’t feel like giving it to me, and that’s just a-ok!” You think these incels are going to react that way?
RS: What should the attitude of society be towards this issue?
RL: Well, it wasn’t always this way.
RS: To wrap up the show, do you have any final words about Eliot Rodger.
RL: Yes, I would like to make a complaint. Notice how the feminists and their male buddies are all running around screaming, “Misogyny! Misogyny! We have to stop this horrible misogyny!” Yes, there is misogyny in our culture. Well…why was Eliot Rodger a misogynist? Because…as a boy, he was not a misogynist. He turned into one! Why did he turn into a misogynist?
RS: And what would you say the reason he turned into a misogynist was?
RL: Well. Women turned him into a misogynist! They hated him, they insulted him, they humiliated him, they ignored him, and…that’s what did it. I mean you can say that he shouldn’t have reacted that way, but…people who experience mass rejection, they tend to get…pretty mad.
RS: Before wrapping up, I would like to discuss one more thing. One of the interesting things about Eliot Rodger is…I mentioned a guy like Roissy…See, the difference between those two is that Eliot Rodger hated promiscuous men as much as he hated promiscuous women. But these guys like Roissy – they actually celebrate promiscuous men, but they hate promiscuous women. Well, they don’t hate the women – they just have a low opinion of them. That is a key difference between those two. Eliot Rodger was…he was really a misanthrope, not just a misogynist.
RL: Well, yes, he got to the point where he hated men just as much as he hated women. And the first three people he killed were…fellow incels, probably. Those three Chinese guys who he said were total nerds, well – they weren’t getting any pussy either from what I understand.
RS: Yes, they probably had more in common with him than he would have admitted.
RL: Right, right. He hated those guys because they were nerds! That guy just hated everybody, man. And he was going to kill his own Mom and his own brother. His Mom was very good to him, and his brother was very good to him too. The only person he didn’t want to kill was his father. He hated the whole world. He hated you. He hated me. He was going to try to kill you. He was going to try to kill me. The Hell with him!

Incel Rage at UC Santa Barbara

In a repeat of the George Sodini incel rampage against young women at a health spa, another incel, this one named Elliot Rodger, went on a mass shooting spree, targeting not only young women (he specifically targeted beautiful blonds from the hottest sorority (the one with the best women) on campus but also men and really whoever was in his way. He started his rampage by murdering his three Chinese exchange student roommates with a knife. He apparently stabbed them while they were sleeping.
He then planned to lure people to his apartment and slowly torture them to death. Then he would chop off their heads. After a few days of this, he would begin his rampage by heading to that sorority house of that hottest sorority mentioned earlier. He knocked on the door to try to get in so he could slaughter the women inside, but he was not allowed in. He then walked around to the backyard of the house where there were some beautiful young women hanging out. He aimed his weapon and shot two of the women dead. Then he walked into a pizza joint, pointed his gun at the man behind the counter and shot him dead too.
After that, Rodger climbed into his fancy BMW car and started driving around the area, shooting randomly at various young people here and there. The police were on their way so he accelerated away. He took a handful of prescription pills, pointed the gun at his head and pulled the trigger.
He left a number of videos on Youtube and a 141 page manifesto which I have not read in full. It could have been titled, “My Lousy Life.”
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One of the videos shows him in the drivers’ seat of his vehicle narrating to the camera. He tells how he is going to go on his spree and his motivation for doing so. He lets out a small evil laugh at several points in the diatribe.
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His Youtube channel with many of his videos can be found here.
His stated reason for the mass shooting was that girls and women had been shining him on and blowing him off most of his life. Boys and men had not treated him much better. At age 22, he had never had a date nor kissed a girl even once. He wanted sex, but there had never been any females out there who had shown the slightest interest in him.
He had been diagnosed as having “High functioning Aspergers,” which seems about right. He seems strangely unemotional in the video. Looking at him in the video, I must say he is a very good-looking young man. He also has delicate features, and is quite soft and wimpy if not out and out effeminate. There have been stupid suggestions in the media that he was gay. However, reading through his manifesto, it is clear that he is fully heterosexual and is not the slightest bit gay. He was also the son of a Hollywood film director. He had lived well, regularly flying all over the world, driving expensive cars and wearing designer clothes and sunglasses. He lived in a fancy part of LA.
Many people are giving him diagnoses of sociopath, psychopath and Antisocial Personality Disorder. None of those are correct, however he has a strong sense of entitlement, jealousy and envy such that a diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder seems appropriate.
Many suggest that the guy was obviously psycho and this is why females had nothing to do with him. I doubt that very much. Instead I think he was simply coming across as a weird, socially awkward Aspie type. Women hate weird nerdy types, and it is quite common for these guys to go without sex, love or female affection for a very long time. Apparently females rejected him so much for so long that he started hating them. It’s not right, but it’s understandable. You hit a man enough times, and he just might start hitting back.
On feminist sites, much space is expended about how misogynistic this fellow was. Well, he hated women very much, it is true. But why was that? Wasn’t it because females had been rejecting him and treating him like crap his whole life? Misogyny doesn’t necessarily spring from a vacuum you know.
Most of the comments on feminist and blue pill sites are stupid. He felt entitled to sex. Most males do nowadays. Feminists love to say that no man on Earth is entitled to sex. This is an interesting attitude because it seems to imply that there are some men who will be rejected so much by women that they may be long-term virgins or may live very barren and sexless lives, and feminists say that this is just fine and dandy. A lot of men in the cockfest called China are going through the same thing, and predictably, we are seeing 40 year old Chinese male virgins going berserk with axes and bulldozers and slaughtering anything in their path, even little children.
Sex is a part of life. Feminists deny this and apparently state that some males are so weird and socially awkward that they deserve to be denied sex with years, decades or possibly for life. Perhaps this is so. Most men will be subjected to such a treatment will not flip out and shoot up the mall. But a small percentage of them will.
After the George Sodini shooting, I predicted that there would be more of these incel guys going berserk like this, and I caught a lot of crap for writing that. Not because it’s a good thing or because the bitches deserve it or men have a right to kill women when the guy isn’t getting any, but just because it all figures. You deny young men sex for long periods of time, and some of them are going to snap and start shooting women or couples. That just logically follows from long-term incel in a few guys who can’t take it anymore.
The SPLC has a big writeup in which they tell how Rodger frequented sites called PUAHate and Bodybuilding.com. I have spent time on both of these sites. The bodybuilder site is just a site where young men with an interest in lifting weights get together to discuss this, that or whatever. It is misogynistic or dicky only in the sense that a lot of masculine young men are assholey and have misogynistic tendencies. In other words, it’s a site full of normal masculine young men. Rodger made many a creepy or scary post there to which there was little in the way of alarmed responses.
PUAHate is smeared by the feminist SPLC as a site for failed pick-up artists. That is not really true and it is a slur. Most men who attempt to be pickup artists are going to fail at the task, so it is no insult to fail at such a thing which is attainable by only a small elite of men. Instead, PUAHate is a site for mostly young men, often incel, who are failing to attract female company, love or sex, are very lonely and angry about this, and are venting. Quite a few of them sunk quite a bit of cash into PUA programs run by PUA con-artists. They got nothing out of these expensive sessions and they are very mad.
Rodger states some truism in his manifesto. He states that it is 10X to be insulted by a female than it is to be insulted by a male. This is correct and I have experienced this many times.
He is also correct that mass rejection over time can lead to a feeling of rage. I actually went through a phase at one very bad point in my life that was like this, so I agree that this is true also.
He also says repeatedly that nice guys  finish last and females don’t like nice guy types. There is actually something to this of course, and in his case, he added wimpiness/effeminacy to the toxic brew. I know this because I went through an unfortunate nice guy phase where I was being friend-zoned by every young woman within a 5 mile radius and I must say, it is a frustrating feeling.
Nice guys can do all right, but they need good game, and it helps to have a bit of bastard in you too. Rodger says that young female flock to obnoxious brutes and ignore nice guys like him. This truism has been stated many times, and of course there is something to it. I have done pretty well with females in my life so I assume I must have some obnoxious brute in me somewhere.
I would say that the real take-home point here is to try to be more obnoxious or more brutal or better yet combine the two, and then the chicks ought to start rolling in. I need to up my obnoxious brute game myself, come to think of it.
The entire MRA/PUA movement is being attacked and blamed by feminists/Blue Pillers over this guy’s freakout. Indeed, his mindset is similar to that seen often in the Manosphere and on PUA sites. Frankly, the over the top misogyny on MRA and PUA sites disgusts me, and makes me not want to identify with these movements. Are these sites feeding the rage of these guys?
Not sure, it is hard to say, but you can’t shut them down. To the extent that these sites are typically insanely misogynistic and this guy had become an extreme misogynist as well, the sites were simply feeding into feelings he was already experiencing anyway. This is sort of like racist sites. Only racists go to racist sites. If you are not racist to start with, you don’t hang out there. Sure, racists find an outlet for their racism on these sites. Do the sites rev up their racism and make them even more angry? Who knows?
At the risk of having a feminist suicide bomber attack me, I would also that this story is a prime example of why more young women need to start giving out mercy fucks. Some on ladies, take one for the team! The life you save may be your own!

Thoughts on the MRA/PUA/MGOTOW Sites

Bhabi writes:

Robert, you’re now claiming to be an MRA?

I am an MRA, yes. But I don’t like a lot of them. I do like the posters and commenters on a blog called Antifeminism. The main thing I dislike about the MRA/PUA/MGOTOW sites is that the misogyny is just so extreme in so many cases. I’m actually a guy who loves women, or at least tries my best to, difficult as it can be at times, so blatant misogyny like that really bites me the wrong way. I hate feminists, but I love women. And there’s two kinds of women,  feminists and real women.
Also there is a lot of feminism mirroring and general victim addiction that you see in most nationalist/chauvinist movements – and yes feminism is just female chauvinism.
This is characterized by “They hate us!!!!”  And endless screaming accusations of misandry. For one thing it is mirroring the idiot victim addiction I mentioned in a previous post. Victim addiction is demeaning to men because it depicts men as weak and helpless victims – a bunch of whining bitches.
Mirroring the enemy is not progress, and the proper response to female chauvinism is not male chauvinism. Yes, some radical feminists hate men, but I am not really concerned about that. I’m laffin right now thinking about it. What are these bitches going to do? Come over here and fuck me up? Beat me over the head with their strapons until I die? Big deal.
On the other hand, I am not going to ally with a bunch of haters who hate me and my kind, i.e. feminists. Male feminists are basically pussies who apologize for being men and beg forgiveness from women by claiming they are not like the rest of those evil pigs. In response, feminist women give feminist men what? In many cases, precisely nothing.
Also, I don’t like the whining, screeching tone. “They’re discriminating against us men and boys!” Oh boo hoo! Those mean girls. Didn’t they make a movie about them? Even if these bitches are discriminating against men and boys (and there is little evidence that feminism has gone that insane yet) the proper response would not be crying into our hankies and screeching like a bunch of banshee bitches.
A man doesn’t act that way when challenged. When challenged, threatened or attacked, a man fights back. He goes out and fucks you up.
So I think that the Manosphere ought to be taking a much more aggressive, hostile, menacing and threatening tone towards these feminists. It should be like, “Look bitches. We are at war with you! Got it? And we mean it. You wanted a war with us? Fine. No problem. You got that war. Understand? We are taking you on!”
We should be threatening to fuck people up. I don’t really advocate doing it, and it’s illegal anyway, but it’s the proper male response to feminism. Not wailing, but instead pure macho violent rage complete with bellowing, chest beating and threats. Let them think twice about taking us on. Are we gonna fight back? Damn right, bitches. You want to start a war with us men? No problem, you got one. Are you down?
I don’t really think we live in a misandrous culture, and misandry is not much of a problem nowadays. What is a problems is female thinking ruling society = Female Rule = Feminist Rule = Feminist Totalitarian Dictatorship. Keep in mind that millions of male manginas assist with these women in enforcing female rule.
I don’t really think most women hate us, and I don’t think they are misandrous. Instead, they’re just being cunts. This is what happens when you empower women to the extent where they think they can impose their bullshit thinking on society when male thinking would do a lot better job of it.
Men and women compete and differ in many ways and have opposing interests. So the stuff that female thinking is going to push via feminism is inevitably hostile to men. Most of the feminist women pushing this do not even hate men at all. Many love men.
But it’s not misandry that’s the problem. It’s female thinking and in particular, allowing women to carry out their competitive war of interests with men into the social and especially legal arena.
Men and women struggle for power in various ways even in marriage and loving relationships. This is because they have different interests. When the pro-female agenda is imposed on society, the anti-male effects are obvious. Because what is pro-female is often anti-male. Because females (even feminists) hate us? No, many to most of them love us. What is pro-women is often anti-male due to differing and competing interests, values and agenda among genders.

Double Standards for Men and Women?

Beatrix asks:

Robert,
I am curious, you’ve openly bragged on this blog about having had sex with over a hundred women, yet when women choose a similar lifestyle you refer to them as ‘cavewomen’? What’s up with that?

I haven’t openly bragged about that. I’ve been rather discreet about it. I only bring it up when idiots suggest that I am a virgin.
There are always a few men who don’t marry or are players and whatnot. There have always been those types. But society won’t work if most guys act like I do or did. Most men need to become betas, settle down, marry and lead somewhat stable lives not like my own.
I don’t particularly care how women choose to live their lives, and anyway, I am not complaining; after all, I have had it pretty good under this system.
I could care less about whores and sluts. After all, I have had some of my most fun with them. That said, men seem to screw around a lot better than women do. Promiscuity in women so many times seems to damage the woman at some base core. It seems to almost damage their souls. I don’t know why that is, but maybe women were just not meant to live that way.
I am just sitting back and looking at what’s going on in society. The MRA and PUA sites are noting that there is a situation where female hypergamy exists to an extreme degree (guys like me benefited from this in the old days, but it was not as extreme), a few “Alphas” are monopolizing most of the best women, there mass shaming and shunning of beta males, and omegas are simply left out of the equation altogether.
There are millions of guys complaining that they are not getting any. Some are picking up guns and shooting people. After women have their fun with bad boys all through their 20’s, they try to settle down with a beta whom they secretly despise. The marriage or relationship is often not very happy.
Women don’t seem to be particularly happy. There is a tidal wave of very amoral female behavior vis a vis men that I have described. Tens of millions of women are “acting crazy,” acting out in ways my Mom’s generation would describe as “being a crazy woman.” There seems to be an epidemic of borderline personality disorder.
Women assault men, often physically, threaten them, threaten to kill them. Attacks on men’s masculinity seem to be so routine they are taken for granted. The “creeper” epidemic seems to be driven by the notion that female society feels that there are millions of men who simply should not have sex or even attempt to have sex at all. Men are attacked in public for so much as looking at women, not to mention asking them out.
Women are frankly completely out of control, and I don’t see what good has come of all this shit.
It strikes me that there is something wrong with this picture. I am just sitting back and commenting on the state of affairs. I am echoing Roissy and others that I don’t think this state of affairs is sustainable in the long run.
 

Someone is *Going* to Rule – Either Men or Women, Take Your Pick

Beatrix writes:

I’m still wondering why it has to be either ‘men rule’ or ‘women rule’? Seems the best of both would be a better idea.

Steve doesn’t seem to understand. It’s not a matter of what is better or worse, or what moral or not. One sex or the other is going to rule the other. Either men rule women, or, if they don’t, women will rule men. There is no and will never be equality in the sexual realm. One must dominate, and the other must be submissive.
I reached that conclusion painfully. I long felt, as a feminist and one who came of age in the various Liberation movements, that the world would be better if ruled by women than by men. I now realize that that is wrong.
Male rule is natural and normal and produces functional societies. It is unfortunate that women are often treated poorly in these societies, but at least they work on some level.
And my observation is that in patriarchal societies, both males and females are very happy in their respective roles. This is because men want to be masculine and women want to be feminine.
This is the natural order, and people are happiest when obeying the dictates of nature as their bodies and minds are cognitively, culturally and evolutionarily evolved to be happiest in the natural order. Violations of the natural order will feel unnatural to most humans on some level and will result in mass unhappiness.
Further, violations of nature cause chaos. Commenter Justin said that male rule is natural and female rule only causes chaos. This is my position. Female rule, whatever it’s moral or theoretical benefits, simply doesn’t work. The end result is some sort of chaos.
It is this chaos that people are talking about so much in the Manosphere and on the MRA and PUA blogs. The PUA are attempting to make lemonade out of the sour lemons of this chaos. The others are bitching and complaining, probably to no avail in the long run.
What do I mean by Female Rule and Male Rule? I mean the views, ways of thinking, world view and sexual philosophy of each group will come to dominate society. In Female Rule, those views and philosophies are the female way of thinking. In Male Rule, those thinking modes and opinions are the male way of thinking.
A commenter named Richard Smothers wrote a long piece about a crazy woman, a girlfriend he was living with. She threw him out of the home without giving him 30 days or even 30 seconds to get his stuff. When he tried to get back in to retrieve his stuff, she said he had hit her. He had not, and he had never hit her the whole time he had been with her. Then she got a restraining order against him.
The cops told him that if he went back in the house, they would have to arrest him as she said he had hit her. Those were the rules. The cops also that they were dealing with a tidal wave of women abusing the new rules about domestic violence with false claims of men hitting them.
The case went to court and the judge forced them into arbitration. Once again, the court was dealing with extreme abuse by women of restraining orders against men who had never harmed them in any way.
We are also seeing a tidal wave or false reports of child molestation filed by women against ex-husbands and ex-lovers. The women say that the men abused their children. In a huge percentage of the cases, the charges are simply false.
The problem here is that I have heard stories like Richard’s so many times that I can’t even count all of them.
Women bait men into hitting them. Women invite two men they are involved with over at the same time to try to bait them into a physical altercation, in which case she will call the police. Women wrestle with their sons of the floor, all for the purpose of getting little bruises all over them, then when the man comes over, try to bait him into hitting her (and using the bruises as evidence of the attack) or claim he was the one who caused the bruises.
All of this is an example of female thinking ruling society.
As I said before, men make rules and women break them. To women rules are tools to be bent in wichever way they want to bend them towards whatever ends she needs to use them for, morality be damned. Men think that rules are hard and fast and not to be violated. To women, rules are potential tools and even weapons in their arsenals, to be possibly used if the day arises.
In a recent case, a man had falsely paid child support for years for a child that was not his. He finally went to court and got a lab to prove it was not his. The court argued that the man had to keep paying child support for the child until the child was 18 because this was “in the best interest of the child.” The real father had to pay nothing. This is an example of female thinking ruling society.
We are also dealing with epidemics of false sexual harassment charges, mostly against men who women feel are undesirable or “creepy.” Creepy just means that the guy is omega or maybe even beta in some way. If an undesirable guy shows interest in a woman, that’s “creepy.” I know guys who have been accused of this for merely checking out young women. If you’re a “creepy” omega or even beta, you don’t even have a right to look at women anymore.
I know another guy who got accused of sexual harassment for asking out a woman at work. That’s all he did. He asked her out. She didn’t really respond, and he dropped the matter.
This is also female thinking. The notion that undesirable guys have no right to have sex or even attempt to have sex or even look at a woman is a female notion. That millions of males, otherwise harmless, are “creeps” simply because females don’t like them is female thinking.
There is more to write on this subject but I will save it for another post.