Mass Shooting in Thailand

These don’t usually happen outside of this insane country, but here is one from Thailand. Of course it was a soldier because those are the only people sane allowed to have guns in any sane society, obviously not including the US. Death toll is now up to 26.

Apparently he was mad at rich people. Well, that’s understandable but shooting random people out walking around is not the proper response. Most of them are probably not rich anyway.

Shooting started at a military base, where he shot his commanding officer. Then he moved to a nearby shopping center, where he stationed himself on a roof and played shooting gallery for a while. Unfortunately, he was an excellent marksman in the military.

These murder sprees actually do happen in places other than the US. It’s just that they aren’t very common, and it’s unusual for the shooter to get such a high death toll.

Voyeurism, Exhibitionism, and Escalation to More Serious Crimes

It is a common myth, especially among feminists, that some people with paraphilias such as voyeurs and exhibitionists (peepers and flashers) commonly escalate to more serious offenses such as burglary, sexual assault, rape or homicide. As with so many things in life, this is a half-truth. Some or a certain number of flashers, peepers, etc. do escalate more or less as described above, yes. I am not sure I would call it shifting of boundaries, although that’s what is going on. Instead of shifting it is more like an escalation of boundary violations to more extreme violations. I also don’t know if it’s about respecting boundaries. I’ve read a lot about these paraphilias because I do work in this area as part of one of my jobs, and I’ve never heard people describe paraphilic escalation as a shifting of boundaries, even if that’s what it is. To the flasher or peeper, their problem is more of a compulsion or an addiction than anything else. They feel a build-up of pressure in the period before the act which builds to a very uncomfortable level, and they feel that the only way to reduce the pressure is to do the act. They commit the act in a rush of fear and excitement, and the act is very sexually stimulating to them. After they do the act, there is a catharsis, and the pressure is relieved. Sometimes they feel guilty afterwards. In therapy with these people, many of them are actually decent men with good jobs,  good fathers and husbands. They simply have a paraphilia – a sexual disorder – that takes the form of an addictive-like behavior or a compulsion. It is common in therapy for these men for them to break down and cry, saying that they can’t control themselves. The behavior can go on for decades if it is not checked. The paraphilia is apparently learned. I believe it is hard to treat. But yes, some voyeurs and exhibitionists do escalate, and these are the boundary pushers. You get away with flashing or peeping, and now you realize that you can get away with serious violations of people’s boundaries. Although I believe Ted Bundy killed first at age 14 (a 9 year old girl neighbor), he would never confess to that crime, and they could never formally pin it on him. I also think he killed some women back East when he stayed at a family home there over the summer. The record says he started killing in college. Anyway, the record is clear that in his teens, Ted used to roam neighborhoods at night, peeping on women. He also started breaking into homes around this time, often the homes of the women he was peeping on. Later on he went on some serious murder sprees.

How Criminal Escalation Works

In crime, when you get away with a crime for a while, there is tendency to think “If I got away with X, I can get away with X+1.” The people who think this way are not necessarily bad people per se. If they had never gotten away with X crime, they might have lived perfectly decent lives. But they got away with X crime, with caused them to escalate beyond X further and further, and at some point, they might commit homicide. And it is typically a male criminal who escalates like this.    

Take the Black Pill

This is a video from one of the most popular posters on the Robot9000 board on 4chat where the Oregon shooter may have posted before he did his dastardly deed.

I would listen in particular to the section from 14:00-16:00 where he predicts a pre-civilizational future where the top men amass harems of 10-15 women each and the rest of the men get none. It sounds crazy but…

The feminists, the male feminists, the blue pillers, the SJW’s, the Left, almost all women, and quite a few men flat out say that all of these incels are imagining things. There is no Alpha, Beta, Omega, etc. It’s all made up pseudoscience. There is no Game, or if there is, it is pseudoscience that doesn’t even work. All these incels have brought this matter on themselves. The feminists say that all they have to do is bathe regularly, practice good hygiene, get some decent clothes, work out, get a job and act halfway normal and they will find a woman just like that. Their whole problem is a lousy attitude.

Yet there is a very important question at stake here. Has the Sexual Marketplace indeed changed since the 1960’s, 70’s, 80’s and even beyond. I certainly don’t recall anything like these mass incel movements before. We never saw anything like this in the 70’s and 80’s. Sure there were guys who couldn’t get laid to save their lives, but they were not common and everyone assumed they were bringing it on themselves. Of course there were many fat and homely men of all sorts, but most of them seemed to be able to find a similar woman with ease. There was no talk of Chad Thundercock, incels,  Game, hypergamy, PUA gurus, PUA bootcamps or any of that. Now these things may well have existed, but no one was talking about them.

According to the the feminists, the male feminists, the blue pillers, the SJW’s, the Left, almost all women, and quite a few men absolutely nothing whatsoever has changed about the Sexual Marketplace between the 70’s and today. All of these clowns could go get a woman anytime they want to. In other words, they are imagining all of this. They’re hallucinating. They’re making it up. They’re getting all upset about something that’s not even real.

And yet…and yet…I can’t help thinking that the Sexual Marketplace has indeed changed since the 1980’s. I also have a nagging feeling that these poor, lost, forlorn men may well be onto something. I know the Game/PUA guys are onto something.* I am frightened that there is more than a grain of truth to  what they say and on some level, they may be complaining about some real phenomenon that is manifesting itself as a substantially changed Sexual Marketplace. I don’t think they are making this stuff up or hallucinating. And sadly, I don’t think they could get a woman by snapping their fingers either.

Everybody thinks that when I write about this stuff, I am complaining. I’m not. However, aspects of the incel movement resonate with me as a longterm bachelor who experienced the feast or famine of the dating world. I’ve had some incel periods myself and in those times, I can see myself in the faces of these poor sods. But to answer the question, no I am not complaining? Why should I? All indications are that if this phenomenon exists, I’ve been benefiting from it since age 17.

If this is some real new sociosexual phenomenon, I think it might be interesting for some bright minds and scholars to look into it. Right now all the work is being done by amateurs. The scholars are all ignoring the phenomenon and claiming it doesn’t exist. But it would be nice to get at least a conversation going about this subject.

As usual, I have no solutions. It is erroneous to think that life is full of solutions. Most chronic human problems are more or less unsolvable. Apparently most people can’t bear the thought of that, and this is why you always see people going on and on about how to “solve” this or that problem. It’s a delusion, a defense against the painful truth that on a lot of levels, we’re pretty much screwed and there’s not a thing to be done about it.

* I know for a fact that Roissy and the rest of the dirtbag PUA’s are onto something. This “Game” stuff is nothing new. These guys haven’t discovered anything. Sure, they have come up with some nice theory, but there are no groundbreaking new discoveries. I and most of my friends figured out this “Game” stuff back in the 1970’s when I first started dating. It’s nothing but the timeless wisdom of ages that men have always used as tools of seduction and understanding the female mind. Female nature now is the same as it’s been for 2,000 years.

Robert Stark Interviews Robert Lindsay about the Oregon Shooter

There is a new interview with me up. Mostly about the latest mass shooting. Give it a listen and let me know what you think.

Here.

Another Incel Shoots up College, 10 Dead, 7 Wounded 4Chan Subculture and the Post on R9K Predicting the Shooting Beta Uprising How America’s Hyper-individualism and Atomization Leads to Mass Shootings The Oregon School Shooter and Asperger’s Misanthropy Depression and Suicide Homicidal Fantasies Study: Males and Females Differ in How They Rate the Attractiveness of the Opposite Sex What Is This Man Doing Wrong? ( Why hasn’t Game Worked?)

The Mascot of Robot9000 on 4Chan

That's their mascot. His name is Pepe and he's usually carrying a gun I think. I believe he is a frog.
That’s their mascot. His name is Pepe and he’s usually carrying a gun I think. I believe he is a frog.

Pepe, above, is the mascot of the Robot9000 board on 4chan, where the Oregon mass shooter, Christopher Harper-Mercer, appears to have posted a threat warning of the attack the day before. The warning was accompanied by a pic of Pepe.

Elliot Rodger Diagnosed with Aspergers!

Here.

There are all sorts of links on the net saying that this is a big lie, but it is confirmed in the story. Nevertheless, there are still stories out there by Aspies and their supporters saying that there is no evidence that he was ever diagnosed with Aspergers. But even those stories seem to state that he had some Aspergers symptoms. They seem to be contradicting themselves and wanting to have it both ways. The best analysis seems to be the Rodger had Aspergers, possibly diagnosed around age 7.

From the link:

The divorce documents also confirmed that Elliot Rodger was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, a form of autism, when he was 7. “Elliot has special needs,” his mother said in a sworn statement. “He is a high functioning autistic child.”

That’s pretty incontrovertible.

Elliot Rodger: Aspergers, mass shooting spree of college students

Adam Lanza: Aspergers, mass shooting spree at an elementary school.

Seung-Hui Cho: Aspergers, mass shooting spree at a college.

Chris Harper-Mercer: Aspergers, mass shooting spree at a college.

Uncanny resemblances.

Oregon School Shooter Confirmed as Having Asperger’s

Figures.

Adam Lanza was also on the autistic spectrum and so was Seung-Hui Cho. There is no evidence whatsoever that George Sodini, the Columbine shooters or Elliot Rodger were on the spectrum although they are often said to be. Rodger was a pathological narcissist, one of the Colombine shooters was a sociopath and the other one was depressed, and no one knows what if anything was wrong with Sodini.

His mother confirmed that he was an Aspie in online posts. As a boy, he was a “headbanger” – that’s not a metalhead but instead is someone on the spectrum who likes to bang their head against walls.

Chris Harper-Mercer, the shooter, had access to 14 guns. It was thought that those were his own guns, but as in the Lanza case, instead they were owned by his gun nut mother, a nurse.

Another Incel Goes ER (Elliot Rodger), Shoots up College, 10 Dead, 7 Wounded

Breaking news right now:

Another young man, reportedly an incel like Elliot Rodger and George Sodini, has conducted a mass shooting. This shooting was done at a community college. He wandered through hallways shooting at everyone he saw. Cops came and he shot it out with him. He lived for a while after he was shot, and then he died. It is not yet known if he was killed by the police or his own hand.

The shooting happened at Umpqua Community College in Oregon at 10:38 AM this morning. 7 people were killed, including the shooter, and 7 more were wounded.

The shooter has been identified as Chris Harper Mercer, age 26.

He hung out on a 4chan site called Robot9000 or RK9, which is where a lot of young men who feel they are being passed over by society hang out and attack what they call “normies.” Normies are well-liked and well-adjusted young men.

They often make posts talking about how much they hate normies. There is a strong incel undercurrent with the site similar to PUAHate where Elliot Rodger hung out. Mercer appears to have been some sort of an incel. After he posted his warning telling his fellow Robots not to go to school in the Pacific Northwest tomorrow, a poster said, “Instead of doing that, why don’t you go talk to a woman!”

He, like many RK9 posters, fashioned himself as a Beta. Apparently “normies” may be the Alphas who are getting all the girls and fun. There is a lot of talk about a “Beta Uprising,” which is some sort of violent uprising of the male Betas against the Alphas who oppress them and the society that supports it. Mercer may have talked about and predicted this Beta Uprising.

“Going ER” is Internet shorthand made up by the SlutHate crowd which means “going Elliot Rodger” – for an incel to go on an Elliot Rodger type shooting spree. There is a lot of talk on Sluthate about who is going to be the next poster to Go ER. Here is the Sluthate post talking about the shooting.

Mercer made a post yesterday on R9K predicting this shooting, but no one did anything about it. However, people make threats on 4chan all the time. They come so often and usually don’t amount to anything so no one bothers to do anything about it. Also users say that finding threats and investigating them is the job of the police, not the posters.

After the George Sodini shooting and the Elliot Rodger shooting, I predicted that there were going to be more of these explosive outbursts by incel males, and I was right.

We Are All Narcissists

fMRI scans show that we’re most comfortable looking at faces similar to our own. As you can see, we are always in love with ourselves. Even when we are in love with other people, we are really in love with ourselves. In my opinion, everyone is somewhat narcissistic. It’s adaptive to a certain degree, especially among males. It’s only when it starts getting out of control that it is pathological. Keep in mind that another word for narcissism is self-esteem. You either have low, moderate or high narcissism, which means you either have low, moderate or high self-esteem. High self-esteem in and of itself is not pathological and instead is typically seen as a sign of good mental health. However, they can seem a bit overbearing or too much, I would agree with that. These are the people who we say are egotistical, have huge egos, or are self-impressed. Visualize a scale from 0-100. A score of 1 is the least narcissistic, most ashamed, guilty, self-effacing, self-denying, masochistic doormat around. Anything above 50 and you are starting to get into the narcissistic without being pathological, high narcissism or high self-esteem folks, which is where a lot of males are anyway, and it’s definitely where I am. Here you find a lot of folks, mostly males, who are vain, conceited, self-centered and sometimes arrogant. They are friendly people, but people who get close to them, for instance female lovers, often complain, “You don’t even care about me.” As a matter of fact, this is a very common complaint that women in general make about their male lovers/spouses in general. They make this complaint because males tend to be more narcissistic than females. A female friend of my mother’s once asked her husband, “Do you still love me? You never tell me that you love me anymore.” Her husband looked around at the room he was sitting in, looked back at her and said, “Well, I’m still here, aren’t I?” A classic male response. “Hey, if I didn’t love you or like you, I wouldn’t even stick around.” But that’s not good enough for women. Women want to be reminded. Males and females are capable of love, even intense love, for each other, but they often express it in different ways. Women fall in love and form relationships for attachment needs – needs that want and require continual reinforcement. Males fall in love and form relationships for other reasons. When you start getting up around 70 or so, you get into some pretty pathological narcissism, but it’s not yet the nightmare world of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I had a friend on the Net who was very perverted and loved to talk about sex all the time. He was a bit of a swinger, and he had screwed countless females. He was also somewhat bisexual, as many male perverts are. We would get into long, dirty conversations on the Net, and he would tell me all about his life from a sexual point of view. One very interesting story he told was that when he was a teenager, his parents hired a Thai maid. She slept in a bedroom next to his and they could sort of hear each other through the walls. He jerked off every night like most teenage boys. At some point, every time he jerked off, he heard strange noises coming from the maid’s room. After a while, he figured out that every time he jerked off, she was also masturbating in tandem with him and getting off herself. A great story! But he would go on and on with these wild stories, talking a mile a minute like someone hyped up on speed. But the stories were all about him and his doings and goings on. I really didn’t mind because I am narcissistic myself and listening to others gets me out of my head for once. But he was definitely a self-centered person, and he was also pretty vain. These people can be annoying, but they are not a walking catastrophe. The dividing line seems to be whether or not you care about others. As narcissism goes higher and higher, typically people care less and less about others. It’s as if we only have so much love inside of us. If we use up all of our “love potential” on ourselves, there’s nothing left for anyone else. I have no idea if this theory is correct, but it’s an interesting idea I thought I would toss out there. Now we get to the NPD’s, the Narcissistic Personality Disorder types. These are simply a disaster. Some of them can be nice to some people if they choose to be, but in general, they are uncaring and not very nice. They brag constantly and can’t be bothered to do anything for you. There are degrees of NPD. There is Mild, Moderate and Severe NPD. NPD is not incurable, but it is quite hard to fix. But some can get better if they work on it. I have known some NPD’s who made some decent progress. The NPD’s who get better become much less annoying and insufferable, show more insight into their behavior and in general simply become better and wiser human beings. The reason NPD is so hard to fix is because most simply think there is nothing wrong with themselves and hence don’t think they need fixing. If you have NPD and are aware of it, look around at your relationships with others. Are they satisfying or dissatisfying? If they are dissatisfying, you might want to look at working on the NPD. I had an NPD friend who made a big deal about how he was going to my father’s funeral, but then he never showed up. It turned out he didn’t even have a very good reason either. He just didn’t care. If it wasn’t about him, it was irrelevant. If you started talking about you, he would listen for a bit and quickly become bored and uninterested. An NPD I have known for many years will ask, “So what’s been going on with you lately?” You start to tell them, and after about 15-20 seconds, they are already bored and looking around the room. Like most narcissists, this person is absolutely clueless about how and why they offend others or why so many people despise them and want nothing to do them. I finally cut this person out of my life after decades of trying to suck up to them, be nice to them, and get them to like me. They were always disappointing me, and it felt like they hated me. I blamed myself and said it was because I was such a loser: “If I wasn’t such a loser, they might like me better.” After decades of this, I started acting about as crappy towards them as they did towards me. This caused this horrible person to have hurt feelings that I didn’t like them, which they tried to make me feel guilty about. This person was also 10 NPD’s are a nightmare. If you have an NPD in your life, you really need to think about maybe getting this person out of your life. Some of the NPD’s I have known have only caused me pain and damage in my life. It’s not worth it. Going further along, you get to the Elliot Rodger type of Severe Narcissistic Personality Disorder. NPD’s are not typically violent, but they are definitely capable of it, especially if they are shamed or rejected – because they can’t handle any rejection. They may then commit acts of aggression, dishonestly, and even violence as revenge. Elliot Rodger is a case in point that shows how NPD at certain times can lead to violence, even extreme violence. Beyond that we get into the real monsters. These are the malignant narcissists. Ted Bundy comes to mind. Others call these narcissistic sociopaths, among other terms. I don’t understand them very well, and I am not sure how this differs from pure narcissism or pure sociopathy. Obviously, these are some of the worst human beings on Earth, incurable and often highly dangerous. A number of serial killers have been diagnosed with malignant narcissism as opposed to sociopathy. You might be interested to know that our own President Donald Trump is a classic malignant narcissist. Of course he is an awful person, and he is definitely dangerous. All malignant narcissists are dangerous by default, but they don’t always act out with violence extreme enough to get them in trouble with the law. There are controlled malignant narcissists just as there are controlled psychopaths.

Robert Stark Interview with Me on Eliot Rodger

This is a transcript of my interview with Robert Stark about the Eliot Rodger mass shooting case. I decided to make the transcript because the audio quality was so awful that it was very hard to listen to. I really like the way this interview turned out. We talked about a lot of great things and I think it is very interesting. I believe a lot of you readers might like to read this transcript, and I think you might get something out of it. So feel free to dive in and comment if you wish.

Robert Stark Interview with Me on Eliot Rodger

Robert Stark: We were discussing this Eliot Rodger guy…for me, I live in Santa Barbara, so this was local. However, I believe that this was not just a local event – it was nationwide. When you first heard about this in the news, what was your initial reaction? Robert Lindsay: A friend of mine came to me the next day – Sunday morning – on the Internet, and he said, “There’s been another shooting.” He wouldn’t give me any details, but then I went and looked it up, and at first I didn’t know much about it, so I didn’t understand what was going on. I just figured it’s another mass shooting, and I didn’t really understand why. Then, over the next few days, the reasons came out because he sent in his manifesto. RS: For a person to go out and shoot random people, or total strangers…well it would be one thing if someone went out and harmed someone who they knew they were angry at, but to go out and shoot random people, I think someone would have to be pretty mentally tormented. RL: I really get tired of hearing the attitude that all these people are mentally ill, and we need to treat the mentally ill better. They say, “The problem isn’t guns – the problem is crazy people.” But the thing is – these people are often not mentally ill at all. You don’t have to be mentally ill to grab a gun and try to shoot as many people as you can. RS: I totally agree with you – I said mentally tormented, not mentally ill. Mental illness is something you are born with. Someone could start off relatively normal, but they could drive themselves insane. I think there is a distinction there. RL: Well, that is exactly what this guy did! I read his manifesto, and up until age he was 11 or 12, he was rather shy, but other than that he was very normal, very happy, very sociable young boy. He was pretty healthy in his head as a young boy, and he just got more and more unhealthy as life went on. RS: Yes, what he had was high-functioning Asperger’s Syndrome. But high-functioning Asperger’s Syndrome is not like schizophrenia. A lot of those people could function and be productive in society in the right environment. You read his manifesto. At what point in his life did he go from having a relatively normal childhood to where he ended up at? RL: I think it all started at age 12. And it got really bad at age 13 and on into 14 – that’s when it hit him really bad. He got far gone from age 11 to age 16. He turned into a completely different person. RS: Would you say it was because of the bullying in middle school? RL: Yes! That’s what did it. And he couldn’t be popular. He was popular up until age 11 or so…that was the first year of middle school. In that year, it was ok…and the girls were nice to him. In elementary school, there were certain requirements to be popular, and they were not hard for him to live up to, but then it started changing. Now it wasn’t like this when I was in 7th grade, but in 7th and 8th grade for Eliot, it was all about the guys who are liked by girls – the guys who are popular with the girls. And the girls were only hanging out with some of the guys, certain of the guys. The girls were all flocking to a few of the guys – the Alphas or whatever. When he first started junior high, he was pretty popular, but after a while, all the popular kids started shunning him and making fun of him, and all the girls started ridiculing him. People were tormenting him, every single day, all day long. He would have to hide in a corner of the hallway until the hallways cleared, and that was the only way he could even get to class because people would run up to him and throw him into the lockers, or they would run up to him and steal his books out of his arms, and he would have to go chase them. They’d call him “faggot” and “weirdo.” RS: Do you think it is worse today in that regard than when you were in high school? RL: Bullying wasn’t that bad when I was in high school. But middle school was crazy! I wasn’t one of the ones who got bullied all the time. I got bullied to some extent, but…I was one of the bullies too. It was bully or be bullied. I wasn’t one of the real popular kids, but I wasn’t one of the rejects either. I had a lot of friends! But I wasn’t one of the cool kids, that’s for sure. But I wasn’t so dorky that all the cool kids were beating up on me. The only ones who were beating up on me were these totally scummed out sociopath types. This one guy who hated me…we actually had a fight, a fistfight in the 8th grade. But then I had a whole bunch of friends who were my guys, and they weren’t losers, but they weren’t the popular kids either. They were cool people. I hung out with them, and they were my buddies. I had this great big wide circle of friends. And then we tormented the geeked out guys. I would get together with one of my friends, and we would torment one of those nerdy guys. RS: If you remember the Columbine shooting – was that the main reason that shooting happened? RL: I believe the shooters were bullied. There was not a whole lot of bullying going on at my high school. There were a few guys who were totally geeked out – I mean insanely geeked out. They were the biggest geeks in the whole school. They were so geeked out that if you saw them walking across the quad even from 100 yards away, if you’d never seen them before, you would say, “Whoa! What a geek!” You know? These guys were like circus freaks. RS: What’s the deal with Asperger’s anyway? People keep using the term to mean anyone who is introverted. RL: Yes, that’s really wrong. If you have any problems connecting to other people, if you have any social problems such as social phobia, if you have problems talking to people, problems relating to people…they automatically say you have Asperger’s! And that is completely wrong, 10 RS: So what are the actual symptoms of Asperger’s? RL: I don’t know! I mean…they’re weird, yes. But they are weird in certain particular ways, and they are introverted in particular ways. I think maybe I met one Aspie in my whole life, but I wasn’t able to confirm that he was an Aspie. Well, he was weird; he was weird as Hell. I mean really, really weird! He…acted like a robot, and he seemed mean and angry and cold. If you tried to talk to him, he wouldn’t even answer. So…he just seemed like a jerk – the biggest jerk you ever met! An antisocial person – he was just hostile! But apparently that was just his extreme introversion. If you got him to talk at all, he would talk like a robot. And that’s really weird because you don’t often meet people who act like that. I mean you meet people who are shut down. You know how men sort of shut down their feelings? You know those guys who get into the macho thing, and they get this sort of monotone? Well, that’s one thing, but this guy sounded like a machine! He sounded like a robot. And one time one of the fluorescent lights in the library went on the blink, and it started blinking on and off. You know how those lights go? They start flashing on and off, going Buh Buh Buh Buh Buh? It’s a little bit weird when those lights do that, sure, but this guy totally tripped on it! He was staring at with a blank stare on his face like he was on acid. You don’t normally see people tripping on a flashing light like they were on acid. He was…entranced by it. And that’s an autistic symptom. Now, whether he was happy or not, I don’t know…but he functioned well enough…He was a computer genius, and they hired him to work on the computers in the library. Later he was going to college and had his own apartment. But he was a really schizoid type guy – he didn’t relate to other people at all – a real loner. I think he was an Aspie! I haven’t met any others, but that one I met was weird as Hell. RS: With Eliot Rodger, people are saying he is a psychopath, but I don’t think that’s necessarily true. RL: No! Absolutely not. I don’t believe it because – let me tell you something. Up until age 11 or 12, and maybe – maybe – even afterwards, he was a relatively normal kid. There are some signs of pathology, but most kids are pathological. You notice over and over, reading his autobiography, how much emphasis he places on whether or not someone was kind and goodhearted and loving and nice. Over and over, he compliments people – for instance, he would say, “My teacher was very, very kind. She was a nice person.” Psychopaths don’t say that! RS: I think with Eliot, if he were brought up in the right environment, he had the potential to be a basically decent and productive member of society. RL: Well, there are guys who are about as Aspie as he was…and they do all right. RS: You know, some people with mental illnesses…like schizophrenia…can be extremely violent…but in general, people who are on the autistic spectrum are usually pretty peaceful. RL: Ummm, yes, but if you talk to people who know them or live with them…some of these guys have gotten married and have kids…they have these things called meltdowns on a fairly regular basis, and it’s like a temper tantrum for adults. It’s just…part of being an Aspie. RS: I think the problem is that because they are unable to express themselves, that rage is bottled up like that. RL: Their rage supposedly comes from frustration because they are pretty much frustrated all the time. They can’t read other people, and other people can’t relate to them, and there is this total miscommunication going on all the time. They are constantly having their needs thwarted. And people who have their needs thwarted all the time get pretty angry…as we can see in the case of Eliot Rodger! RS: Regarding rage, Eliot had a number of incidents. In one of them, he went to a party near the university… RL: Yes, initially he tried to talk to some people, but they weren’t really talking to him. Before this, he would go to parties sometimes, and he would always get all isolated…standing up against the doorway or the wall, and everybody else would be talking and socializing and smoking dope and drinking, and Eliot would be all isolated and alone and no one talking to him, and after a while, he would start to feel weird and leave. But this time, he went up to some people and started talking to them, and I guess it didn’t go very well, and then later he saw some Asian guy talking to a hot blond, and it really pissed him off. He decided to be really macho – he thought being macho would make him cool. He tried to be an Alpha. He walked right up to both of them, and he burned the guy, insulted him and pushed him aside, and then he got in next to the girl. And then both of them – the Asian guy and the blond girl – said, “Whoa! I think someone has had too much to drink!” And they got away from him. Later on, he ended up on the lawn, and everyone else was having fun, and he was all alone on the lawn feeling like an idiot. The party went on, and Eliot ended up upstairs on the balcony, and I’m not sure if people were making fun of him or not – I don’t really know – I think they were just ignoring him. But he started getting angrier and angrier, and…I guess it was a 10 foot balcony? I don’t know, if you fell from it, if you would get real hurt? I don’t know what was on the ground below, if it was grass or maybe a lawn. Apparently you could push people off this ledge pretty easily. He tried to push some of the girls off the deck! And a bunch of the guys got really mad, and they started pushing him too, and there was a pushing and shoving match…and they…pushed him off the deck. And I think he broke his ankle? RS: He said he got really hurt, and no one would help him. RL: Well, what do you expect? Everyone at the party hated him! He started walking away, and the people next door were having a party themselves apparently in tandem with the people who were having the party where he was at. Apparently they knew what had happened, and they started yelling at him, calling him “faggot” and “idiot.” I am not sure what happened, but a big fight ensued between Rodger and these guys, and…he got his ass beat by these guys. He got beat up. He got a broken leg. At some point as he was walking home, a girl helped him, but then he hobbled the rest of the way home. He was laid up with a broken leg for some time. RS: Another thing that happened was he saw this couple on the beach, and he got some orange juice and sprayed super soakers on them. RL: No, it was at a park, and it wasn’t a couple, it was a whole group of young men and women who were having a blast on a Sunday afternoon. He was watching them, and he started getting more and more angry, so he went and got a soaker and some orange juice, and he came back, and he started spraying it all over them. The group got mad, and they chased Eliot. He ran all the way back to his car and jumped in his car and took off. RS: The other thing about him was that he was mixed race himself, and he particularly disliked mixed couples. RL: Actually…he doesn’t talk much about that. I don’t think he had a big complex about that. RS: I think that in the PC media, being a racist is the worst thing, and his racism got a lot of attention in the media… RL: Well, first of all, the media keeps saying that he had a complex about being Asian. Not really true. In his early years, he had a bit of a complex about being Asian because he wanted to fit in as all his friends were White, and those were the people he was trying to fit in with. RS: Did he feel that he was looked down upon by Whites? RL: I don’t think so. They probably treated him better. White people treat minorities better if they are part-White. You see, nobody will ever admit to it, and I get called racist all the time for saying things like this, but let me tell you something! A Black person who is half-White will be treated a lot better by White people than a Black person who is all Black. A HAPA, a half-Asian, half-White, will be treated better by Whites than a full-blooded Asian. The more White you have in you, the better White people treat you. That’s just the way it goes! It’s a simple fact! White nationalists probably would not agree with this, but the truth is that on some sort of a basic level, White people will respect someone who has a lot of White in them. They love the person for that… RS: I think because he was Whiter than some people…he saw an Indian guy and then a Mexican guy and then a Black guy and then a full Asian guy, all with blond White women, and he hated seeing that. His attitude was, “Why is it that these inferior races could get a blond White woman and I couldn’t?” RL: Well, you see, the thing is, everyone is saying that he had this big complex about being Asian, but…there are only a couple of references to that in the manifesto – when he was younger – but I think that at some point, maybe around age 12 or 13, he completely buried this aspect of himself. He just stuffed it – down into his subconscious. He repressed it. And from then on, he simply saw himself as fully White, as a White man, period. RS: So was the issue that he felt that the White girls didn’t view him as a White man? RL: Noo…noo…he just…saw himself as a White man! His attitude was, “Hey, I’m White!” And he does look White. In his videos, he looks like a White guy. A lot of times, you cross a White and an Asian, and you end up with a…White! You cross a White with an Indian from India, a often, you end up with a White person. White genes are pretty strong. They’re not as recessive as everybody thinks. Either that, or there are some genes that are even more recessive than White genes. RS: So you don’t think the racial aspect of it is an issue. RL: No! He doesn’t even look Asian. And he identified as White. And he looks White. RS: Ok, so why did he get so mad when he saw some interracial couples? RL: Well. He saw himself as some sort of budding White nationalist! He saw himself as, “Hey, I’m White, and I am a superior man,” and he thought Asians were inferior. He thought Asian guys were geeks and dweebs and idiots and fools. And he thought Black guys were complete animals – lowlifes. RS: Yes, he made a big deal about how he was descended from British aristocracy… RL: He was. RS: He saw himself as better than other people. RL: Yes, a really big part of him is that narcissism – that he needs to feel better than other people. That’s his main pathology. And probably that more than anything else caused his rampage. If you want to blame anything, blame his narcissism. RS: He fluctuated between having very high self-esteem and having very low self-esteem. RL: What do you expect? Do you understand how narcissism works? I don’t know if most people understand how narcissism works. In narcissism, we see these peaks and crashes. It’s either they think they are the greatest person in the whole world, but if they are ever reminded that they are not the greatest person in the whole world, then they might crash and think they are the lowest worm that ever crawled the face of the Earth. It’s either one or the other with these people. They can’t be regular. He either has to be king of the world, or he has to be lowest slug you’ve ever seen. Some people think that deep down inside, narcissists have very low self-esteem, and in order to compensate for that, they have to create this huge ego. See, basically, what people are trying to do is – they’re trying to be normal. They are trying to get to that zero-state. They are trying to get to that…norm. They are trying to be ok. So when the narcissist is thinking, “I am the lowest worm that ever crawled the face of the Earth,” he’s -100 on an egotism scale. And you see…the farther down you are on that scale, the further up you have to go to be normal. So if you’re -100 on egotism, you have to go to +100 to feel normal. If you think you are the lowest slug on the face of the Earth, you have to think you are King of the Universe in order to even feel normal. You see? Someone who just feels a little bit inferior would only have to feel a little bit superior to feel normal. I think people are trying to achieve the norm. And the more down you feel, the more up you have to be to get to that norm. And that’s why you see this bizarre fluctuating self-esteem in the narcissist where he’s like I am the greatest man that ever lived or else I am absolutely worthless. RS: There’s a theory that he saw himself as the absolute gentleman, and when he saw girls with guys he viewed as lower than him, he thought those guys as obnoxious brutes. RL: Well, yeah! That’s the whole nice guy thing. The feminists and the anti-PUA/Game people on the Net are going crazy over this nice guy thing. They refer it as nice guys (TM). And they are all saying that in truth, nice guys aren’t really very nice! Well…macho alphas who get all the women – they aren’t very nice either, are they? But the whole line is wrong. Nice guys are nice! That’s what they are all about. And the attitude of the Manosphere is all about “nice guys finish last,” and the biggest assholes – the Alphas – get all the women, and the nice guys get the leftovers. We have heard all these things many times before. Obviously, there is some truth to it. Now, I’ve been a nice guy my whole life, and I’ve done pretty well with women, but on the other hand, I’m not a real nice guy. I’ve been told that I look like a sexual threat, and that I give off the appearance of someone who was experienced…with women. RS: Don’t forget those serial killer glasses. You got rid of those. You got new glasses. RL: Well…it’s not so much that women don’t like a nice guy, but more that they like a guy who has a sense of danger. RS: Well…but Eliot turned out to be pretty dangerous… RL: He didn’t look dangerous. He looked harmless. He keeps calling himself a mouse over and over in that manifesto of his. He says, “They treated me like I was a mouse…I felt like an insignificant little mouse.” So this is really a classic case of some guy who feels completely inferior – who feels like a mouse – and in order to compensate for that, he has to feel like a king…like God! He felt so low that even being King of the World wasn’t enough for him…he had to become God! He became God. I am God, destroyer of worlds! RS: His fantasy was becoming a dictator and putting all women in concentration camps…and starving them to death while he watched them die… RL: And in the end, he did become a God, did he not? Right? Wasn’t he  that night, when he was shooting people…wasn’t he God? Who can take your life away, Robert? RS: Yes, I see what you mean. I see what you are getting at. RL: Only God can give life, and only God can take life. And you know, I have talked to people who told me that they liked to fantasize about killing people…they told me that they were never going to do it, but it was sort of fun to think about it…and when they thought like this, they felt huge, 1000 feet tall, like God. RS: You don’t have to answer this, but have you ever fantasized about killing people? RL: Yes, of course, sure. Yes, I have. You know, I have fantasized about killing my enemies, and even, I even have fantasized about doing what Eliot did! I think a lot of us have, really. RS: A lot of people fantasize about killing their enemies, but some people also fantasize about obliterating large numbers of human beings, of strangers. RL: Sure, sure, of course. You know, you are driving down the street, and you look over, and there’s a sidewalk filled people, and you fantasize you have an AK-47 and some hand grenades…and you start firing the gun, and then you start throwing the hand grenades! You know, I have told people that I have thought about stuff like that, and at least with guys, they usually start laughing and say, “Yeah, so have I.” And these are guys who work in offices, wear ties, sit at a desk… RS: But now, if you talk about that, you will be put on some watchlist. RL: Well, look! Everybody thinks about things like that every now and then…but they aren’t serious. But if you are actually thinking about it like it is something you really, really want to do…that’s…completely different. I mean I thought about that stuff, but I knew that I wasn’t going to do it. You know? RS: Have you ever felt like Eliot Rodger at some point in your life? RL: Ummm. Yes. Yes. I have, yes. RS: At his age, or…? RL: It was more when I was older than he was. You know what? I can understand the guy’s feelings! If people don’t treat you nice, if everybody is sort of treating you like crap, you just…you sort of…you want to kill them! You want to kill the people who don’t treat you right. What people want is, as Carl Rogers said, unconditional positive regard. They don’t want people communicating that there is something wrong with them, that they are weird, that you are screwed up…that’s all…it’s basically rejection. You know really – people should be careful about rejecting other people! Because when you reject someone, the basic primitive instinct of the person who you rejected is…”I’m going to kill you!” You know? Just for doing that to me, just for rejecting me. You insulted me! RS: And there is a distinction between sexual rejection and social rejection. I think someone who is being sexually rejected but has a healthy enough social life is probably going to be ok. I think the problem is a combination of sexual and social rejection. RL: Hey! Social life is very important! If you are at the point in your life where nobody’s even being friendly to you…nobody’s talking to you… you’re not talking to anyone…you don’t have any friends…you don’t talk to any people on the phone…nobody comes over…you don’t go visit anybody…I mean, that’s a pretty bad place to be! It’s lonely. It’s really, really lonely! You feel like you are all alone in the whole world. You’ve never felt so lonely in your life! I’ve felt that way a few times when I moved to a new city…You see all these new people everywhere you go – total strangers – and you don’t know what to say to them! What are you going to say? Really, what you ought to be able to do is say, “Hi, I just moved to this town, and I don’t know a soul in this whole place. You want to be friends?” But you can’t do that! See? But you know? You really ought to be able to do something like that. I mean, what are you going to do? You move to a whole new city all alone, and you don’t know one single person! But if you walk up to someone and say, “Hey, I just moved to this town all alone, and I do not know one single person in this whole town. You want to be friends?” Well, you’re considered to be weird! You’re weird! The problem is you are making yourself vulnerable, and that’s not really accepted. People act like you move to a whole new town all alone, and within 24 hours, you are supposed to have a whole bunch of new friends. But if you say, “Hey,I just moved here. I don’t know a soul”…you’re pitiful! You know what? We’re not very nice! There are a lot of lonely people in our country, and we’re not very nice to them! People say, “Huh? What’s wrong with you? How come you can’t make friends? Why don’t you just go make some friends?” That ain’t right. A lot of people have a hard time making friends, and they’re really lonely, and it shouldn’t be a shameful thing to say that you’re lonely or you don’t have any friends or, “Hey, you want to make friends?” It shouldn’t be a source of shame. And we have made it into a source of shame! RS: These mass shootings – it seems to be largely an American phenomena. There have been a few in other countries, but by and large, it seems to be largely an American thing. RL: Well. We’re the ones who let everyone have a gun, right? RS: Well, other countries let you have a gun. I think it is something about American society that is different… RL: Well. How many other countries let you have a semi-automatic weapon? RS: In Switzerland, everyone has a gun. RL: Do they let you have automatic weapons? RS: I don’t know about that. RL: Well, ok. You know, these automatic weapons come in awful handy for these mass shootings. RS: In China, there have been some people going berserk with knives. The was a story about a 40 year old man going into an elementary school in China and chopping up a bunch of kids. RL: Yes. There was another guy who went berserk with a bulldozer on a street, on a sidewalk. Well, you know, people will use whatever is handy for a weapon. But those semi-automatic weapons, they sure do make it easier! RS: So what are your thoughts about the PUAHate site that Eliot was hanging out on? RL: Oh! Yes. I went there! I went there before it got famous due to this Eliot Rodger thing. I went there a number of months ago. Well, on that site…these guys are really angry! And their whole thing is like, “We’re not getting any women! We’re all like, incels.” I don’t know if all of them have been virgins their whole lives or if they are just temporarily incel, which is no source of shame! I mean I am temporarily incel right now. I’ve been temporarily incel many times in my life. I am at the moment. Maybe I have been temporarily incel now for…three months? It’s not the end of the world, you know? I mean everybody goes through this…but, at what point does incel become not normal and become Incel with a capital I? Anyway, about the PUAHate site, there are these guys on there, and they’re not getting any women, and a lot of them have spent a lot of money on these PUA con artists. They went to these boot camp things, or they bought all these tapes and videos. RS: Some of those guys have spent thousands and thousands of dollars. I remember a while back, there was a similar shooting. There was a guy named George Sodini who shot up a gym for basically the same reason that Eliot Rodger did. He spent thousands of dollars on these pickup artist seminars. RL: Yes, they can cost up to $3,000 to $5,000…to $10,000. RS: And a lot of those guys are basically con artists. RL: Of course they are con artists! Most of these PUA guys charging you for stuff are…classic con artists. They’re sociopaths. Narcissists, sociopaths, whatever…I mean that sort of thing was guaranteed…as soon as that PUA stuff came out, you knew a bunch of con artists were going to flock to that industry. That industry has a great big welcome mat, a giant flashing neon sign that says, “Con artists, come here! Con artists, right this way!” You know? It was perfectly designed for those types. And a lot of the biggest PUA guys…are con artists themselves…especially the ones who are charging you. They’re great big huge liars. They’re not ok people. RS: What do you think of the media accusations where they say that the misogyny of the Manosphere is responsible for contributing to Eliot’s spree? RL: Well, first of all…the United States is not a particularly misogynistic country on a worldwide basis, is it? RS: Not at all. It is probably the least misogynistic country if you compare it to the rest of the world. RL: Probably one of the least. Misogyny is much worse in Latin America, Sub-Saharan Africa, the Arab World, Iran, Pakistan, India, Nepal, and Bangladesh. What about Southeast Asia? I don’t know. In Japan, in China. Misogyny is the way of the world. In most of the world, women are second-class citizens. That’s just…normal. RS: Would you say that those Manosphere sites like Roissy are misogynistic? RL: Yes! Yes, Roissy’s site. Roissy is a misogynist, and his commenters are worse than he is, and they’re just feeding off each other. That whole scene is just…insanely misogynistic, really. But it’s not like Roissy doesn’t say things that are true… RS: So what does Roissy say that is true? RL: Well…a lot of what those guys are saying is true, and a lot of what misogynists say is true, unfortunately. A lot of what women who hate men say about men is true. But…both of them…they’re only seeing half the picture. I mean, there’s a huge downside to women. 5 RS: You’ve been a misogynist at some point in your life. RL: Yes, I got into that for a while. But it was odd, coming from a guy who had always loved females from an early age. I always just loved females. I never thought about it, never thought about the philosophy of it, whether it made sense philosophically or scientifically or whether females deserve to be hated or deserve to be loved…I just simply decided that I loved them, and that was that. RS: When did you get into the misogyny thing? RL: Well, it happened when I got older. I had worked myself into a bad state to where a lot of women were rejecting me, rejecting me for being weird. They were always like, “Whoa! You’re weird, dude.” Like that. And…I started hating them for that. Sort of like Eliot Rodger! RS: This is a little bit off-topic, but you mentioned that you were racist for a while. RL: Yes, I got into that for a while. I got into anti-Semitism. I don’t even know how it happened because I was always a Jew-lover, a Judeophile, my whole life. I loved Jews like i loved females, I never thought about it, I never analyzed it. Did Jews deserve to be loved? Did they deserve to be hated? I came from a family of strong Judeophiles, and I was always like, “Woohoo! I love Jews!” You know? But then, in 2001, when the Israelis were shooting up Bethlehem, and they were shooting up the church where Jesus was born…You know, I’m a Christian! And those PLO guys were staying in the church, hiding there. And those Jews, even in the church where Jesus was born, they were killing people! They were murdering them! RS: I think with the anti-Semitism thing and the misogyny thing, I know a lot of guys, when they first discover these things…or people in general, when they first discover stuff, they go through a phase where they are really angry or maybe racist or misogynistic, but after a while, they calm down, and they come to accept the group for what they are. Do you think that is true? RL: I suppose, but I went the opposite way. I was raised to be non-racist! We were all raised to be non-racist. One time at the dinner table, I remember, one of us brothers said the word “nigger.” RS: Was it you? RL: I don’t know! I don’t remember who said it. It wasn’t the sort of word I used much back then. But, oh man! My father! My father just freaked out! I mean, all these Blacks and anti-racists who say “All Whites are racist,” how do they explain my father? He shut down the whole dinner right there. He made it clear that we were never, ever to use that word at the dinner table again. Why did my father shut down that whole dinner table conversation because someone said nigger? My Dad – he’s a racist? RS: You said you called a guy that term once. You called him a nigger. RL: Yes, I did. I did it. I was mad at him. We were having a fight. This Black guy and I were having this big huge fight, and I called him a nigger. I don’t know. I don’t feel bad about it. I’ll call anyone anything that they deserve to be called if I am mad enough… RS: Sure, when you are in a fight with someone, you want to find the worst thing that you can possibly call that person. RL: Of course. You’re going to look for their ethnicity, their race, their gender – if it’s a woman, you’re going to call her a cunt. If they’re gay, you’re going to call him a faggot. If they’re a different race, you’re going to call them nigger or beaner or spic or whatever. Or even a different ethnicity! If he’s an Arab, you call him a towelhead, if he’s French, you call him a frog. You just have to dig into your bag of tricks and find some appropriate insult andthrow it at them. If you’re mad enough…if you and this other person are ready to punch each other, it’s perfectly acceptable to whip out the insults. If you do that, I don’t think it indicates how you feel deep down inside at all! That’s the anti-racist line, and it’s completely wrong! RS: Exactly! RL: It doesn’t mean you’re bigoted, or racist or sexist or homophobic. It just means you’re mad! RS: So going back to the previous topic, these spree shootings seem to be becoming more and more common. Why do you think they are becoming more common? RL: You mean the mass killings? RS: Mass killings, yes. Like this Eliot Rodger case. RL: Well…probably…they’re getting a lot of play in the media! And psycho-type people are looking at that and deciding to do it. It’s a case of “the more there are, the more there are,” you know what I mean? It’s like a suicide epidemic. A few people do it, then more people start doing it, and then, the more there are, the more there are! The more people are doing it, the more people think this is a cool thing to do. The behavior feeds off itself. It’s a vicious circle. It creates more of itself just by being there. The more of it there is, the more of it it spurs on, you know? RS: Do you think this incel thing is more common than it was in the past? RL: I don’t know! I grew up with a lot of guys who weren’t getting laid, so…it was pretty common. It was just normal. A lot of guys weren’t getting laid. It was almost…to be expected. It was like, “Of course you’re not having any sex. Well, you’re not married, right?” It might be weird that he’s not married, but the fact that he’s not married, and he’s not having any sex was not getting any sex was not considered weird at all. It was acknowledged that a few guys who weren’t married could get some sex but unmarried guys…back then – it was expected that you weren’t having sex. It was even harder then. RS: I remember you wrote an article after the George Sodini case predicting that more guys would go nuts like that guy did. RL: Yes. And it happened, right? And…there’s going to be more, even after this Eliot Rodger guy. We have not seen the end of this! RS: So do you consider sex to be a necessary component of living a happy and effective life? RL: Well, yes. But in a certain way, it isn’t like your needs for survival. It’s not like shitting and pissing and eating and drinking. If you quit sleeping, you’re going to die! If you quit shitting and pissing, you’re going to die. Without water, you can live for maybe three days. If you quit eating food, at some point, you’re just going to die. If you quit having sex, you’re not going to die! RS: You wrote that these modern feminists are saying that these incel guys may just have to go years, decades or possibly their whole lives without sex. RL: Yes, well, that’s exactly what they are saying, isn’t it? Isn’t that precisely what they are saying on these feminist sites? What are they saying? The feminists are saying, “Look! You guys have no right to sex! You’re entitled. You think you have a right to have sex.” The thing is, to these feminists, it is perfectly acceptable for a guy to go years, decades or even a lifetime without having sex with a woman because he had no right to sex! And he had no right to feel entitled that way. And women have the right to turn down men…all the time! For a year, or a decade, or a lifetime. That’s their right. That’s women’s right. And some of you guys – you’re just going to lose out, and that’s just the way it goes. Because we’re the sexual gatekeepers. And…you know…? That’s not an attitude…that’s going to fly very well! Tell you what. You go say that to a bunch of incel guys. Tell them, “Hey look. Women say you have no right to sex, and you’re going to get it whenever they decide to give it to you, and…you just might never get it! Because…maybe they just don’t feel like giving it to you!” You know? You think that’s going to go over with those guys? You think these incel guys are just going to say, “Oh. Ok. Well, whether we get sex or not depends on whether the women want to give it to us. Ok. And maybe I’ll go my whole life and never have sex because…chicks just don’t feel like giving it to me, and that’s just a-ok!” You think these incels are going to react that way? RS: What should the attitude of society be towards this issue? RL: Well, it wasn’t always this way. RS: To wrap up the show, do you have any final words about Eliot Rodger. RL: Yes, I would like to make a complaint. Notice how the feminists and their male buddies are all running around screaming, “Misogyny! Misogyny! We have to stop this horrible misogyny!” Yes, there is misogyny in our culture. Well…why was Eliot Rodger a misogynist? Because…as a boy, he was not a misogynist. He turned into one! Why did he turn into a misogynist? RS: And what would you say the reason he turned into a misogynist was? RL: Well. Women turned him into a misogynist! They hated him, they insulted him, they humiliated him, they ignored him, and…that’s what did it. I mean you can say that he shouldn’t have reacted that way, but…people who experience mass rejection, they tend to get…pretty mad. RS: Before wrapping up, I would like to discuss one more thing. One of the interesting things about Eliot Rodger is…I mentioned a guy like Roissy…See, the difference between those two is that Eliot Rodger hated promiscuous men as much as he hated promiscuous women. But these guys like Roissy – they actually celebrate promiscuous men, but they hate promiscuous women. Well, they don’t hate the women – they just have a low opinion of them. That is a key difference between those two. Eliot Rodger was…he was really a misanthrope, not just a misogynist. RL: Well, yes, he got to the point where he hated men just as much as he hated women. And the first three people he killed were…fellow incels, probably. Those three Chinese guys who he said were total nerds, well – they weren’t getting any pussy either from what I understand. RS: Yes, they probably had more in common with him than he would have admitted. RL: Right, right. He hated those guys because they were nerds! That guy just hated everybody, man. And he was going to kill his own Mom and his own brother. His Mom was very good to him, and his brother was very good to him too. The only person he didn’t want to kill was his father. He hated the whole world. He hated you. He hated me. He was going to try to kill you. He was going to try to kill me. The Hell with him!

Incel Rage at UC Santa Barbara

In a repeat of the George Sodini incel rampage against young women at a health spa, another incel, this one named Elliot Rodger, went on a mass shooting spree, targeting not only young women (he specifically targeted beautiful blonds from the hottest sorority (the one with the best women) on campus but also men and really whoever was in his way.

He started his rampage by murdering his three Chinese exchange student roommates with a knife. He apparently stabbed them while they were sleeping.

He then planned to lure people to his apartment and slowly torture them to death. Then he would chop off their heads. After a few days of this, he would begin his rampage by heading to that sorority house of that hottest sorority mentioned earlier.

He knocked on the door to try to get in so he could slaughter the women inside, but he was not allowed in. He then walked around to the backyard of the house where there were some beautiful young women hanging out. He aimed his weapon and shot two of the women dead. Then he walked into a pizza joint, pointed his gun at the man behind the counter, and shot him dead too.

After that, Rodger climbed into his fancy BMW and started driving around the area, shooting randomly at various young people here and there. The police were on their way so he accelerated away. He took a handful of prescription pills, pointed the gun at his head and pulled the trigger.

He left a number of videos on Youtube and a 141 page manifesto which I have not read in full. It could have been titled, “My Lousy Life.”

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKXV_AhIYuU]

One of the videos shows him in the drivers’ seat of his vehicle narrating to the camera. He tells how he is going to go on his spree and his motivation for doing so. He lets out a small evil laugh at several points in the diatribe.

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tndiUZfPnFc&bpctr=1401153561]

His Youtube channel with many of his videos can be found here.

His stated reason for the mass shooting was that girls and women had been shining him on and blowing him off most of his life. Boys and men had not treated him much better. At age 22, he had never had a date nor kissed a girl even once. He wanted sex, but there had never been any females out there who had shown the slightest interest in him.

He had been diagnosed as having “High functioning Asperger’s,” which seems about right. He seems strangely unemotional in the video. Looking at him in the video, I must say he is a very good-looking young man. He also has delicate features and is quite soft and wimpy if not out and out effeminate.

There have been stupid suggestions in the media that he was gay. However, reading through his manifesto, it is clear that he is fully heterosexual and is not the slightest bit gay. He was also the son of a Hollywood film director. He had lived well, regularly flying all over the world, driving expensive cars and wearing designer clothes and sunglasses. He lived in a fancy part of LA.

Many people are giving him diagnoses of sociopath, psychopath and Antisocial Personality Disorder. None of those are correct, however he has a strong sense of entitlement, jealousy and envy such that a diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder seems appropriate.

Many suggest that the guy was obviously psycho and this is why females had nothing to do with him. I doubt that very much. Instead, I think he was simply coming across as a weird, socially awkward Aspie type. Women hate weird nerdy types, and it is quite common for these guys to go without sex, love, or female affection for a very long time. Apparently females rejected him so much for so long that he started hating them. It’s not right, but it’s understandable. You hit a man enough times, and he just might start hitting back.

On feminist sites, much space is expended about how misogynistic this fellow was. Well, he hated women very much, it is true. But why was that? Wasn’t it because females had been rejecting him and treating him like crap his whole life? Misogyny doesn’t necessarily spring from a vacuum you know.

Most of the comments on feminist and blue pill sites are stupid. He felt entitled to sex. Most males do nowadays. Feminists love to say that no man on Earth is entitled to sex. This is an interesting attitude because it seems to imply that there are some men who will be rejected so much by women that they may be long-term virgins or may live very barren and sexless lives, and feminists say that this is just fine and dandy.

A lot of men in the cockfest called China are going through the same thing, and predictably, we are seeing 40 year old Chinese male virgins going berserk with axes and bulldozers and slaughtering anything in their path, even little children.

Sex is a part of life. Feminists deny this and apparently state that some males are so weird and socially awkward that they deserve to be denied sex with years, decades or possibly for life. Perhaps this is so. Most men will be subjected to such a treatment will not flip out and shoot up the mall. But a small percentage of them will.

After the George Sodini shooting, I predicted that there would be more of these incel guys going berserk like this, and I caught a lot of crap for writing that. Not because it’s a good thing, or because the bitches deserve it, or men have a right to kill women when the guy isn’t getting any, but just because it all figures. You deny young men sex for long periods of time, and some of them are going to snap and start shooting women or couples. That just logically follows from long-term incel in a few guys who can’t take it anymore.

The SPLC has a big write-up in which they tell how Rodger frequented sites called PUAHate and Bodybuilding.com. I have spent time on both of these sites.

The bodybuilder site is just a site where young men with an interest in lifting weights get together to discuss this, that, or whatever. It is misogynistic or dicky only in the sense that a lot of masculine young men are assholey and have misogynistic tendencies. In other words, it’s a site full of normal masculine young men. Rodger made many a creepy or scary post there to which there was little in the way of alarmed responses.

PUAHate is smeared by the feminist SPLC as a site for failed pick-up artists. That is not really true and it is a slur. Most men who attempt to be pickup artists are going to fail at the task, so it is no insult to fail at such a thing which is attainable by only a small elite of men.

Instead, PUAHate is a site for mostly young men, often incel, who are failing to attract female company, love, or sex, are very lonely and angry about this, and are venting. Quite a few of them sunk a lot of cash into PUA programs run by PUA con-artists. They got nothing out of these expensive sessions, and they are very mad.

Rodger states some truisms in his manifesto. He states that it is 10X worse to be insulted by a female than it is to be insulted by a male. This is correct and I have experienced this many times.

He is also correct that mass rejection over time can lead to a feeling of rage. I actually went through a phase at one very bad point in my life that was like this, so I agree that this is true also.

He also says repeatedly that nice guys finish last, and females don’t like nice guy types. There is actually something to this of course, and in his case, he added wimpiness/effeminacy to the toxic brew. I know this because I went through an unfortunate nice guy phase where I was being friendzoned by every young woman within a 5 mile radius and I must say, it is a frustrating feeling.

Nice guys can do all right, but they need good game, and it helps to have a bit of bastard in you too. Rodger says that young females flock to obnoxious brutes and ignore nice guys like him. This truism has been stated many times, and of course there is something to it. I have done pretty well with females in my life, so I assume I must have some obnoxious brute in me somewhere.

I would say that the real take-home point here is to try to be more obnoxious or brutal or better yet combine the two, and then the chicks ought to start rolling in. I need to up my obnoxious brute game myself, come to think of it.

The entire MRA/PUA movement is being attacked and blamed by feminists/Blue Pillers over this guy’s freakout. Indeed, his mindset is similar to that seen often in the Manosphere and on PUA sites. Frankly, the over the top misogyny on MRA and PUA sites disgusts me and makes me not want to identify with these movements. Are these sites feeding the rage of these guys?

Not sure, it is hard to say, but you can’t shut them down. To the extent that these sites are typically insanely misogynistic, and this guy had become an extreme misogynist as well, the sites were simply feeding into feelings he was already experiencing anyway. This is sort of like racist sites. Only racists go to racist sites. If you are not racist to start with, you don’t hang out there. Sure, racists find an outlet for their racism on these sites. Do the sites rev up their racism and make them even more angry? Who knows?

At the risk of having a feminist suicide bomber attack me, I would also note that this story is a prime example of why more young women need to start giving out mercy fucks. Some on ladies, take one for the team! The life you save may be your own!

Columbine Shooter Eric Harris' Journal Entries

Scary stuff! Harris was apparently a full blown psychopath, and Dylan Klebold instead was just severely depressed. Klebold was more the follower type and Harris was the messianic type. Horrible crimes with accomplices typically have paradigms like this. One is the messianic leader and the other is the follower. It is not often known, but depressives can be quite angry. I have known many depressives, particularly older females, in whom the main symptom was simply smoldering rage. Many depressed men are quite angry. Quite a few mass shooter cases which often end in suicide or “suicide by cop” are done by depressed males. Homicidal fantasies are quite common in depression. Not as common as suicidal fantasies, but still common. Look how many homicides are murder-suicides. These are usually done by depressed males going out in a blaze of glory determined to take someone with them.

Most Evil Rankings

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQV9vEQa20Y] I really enjoyed this video. This fellow named Dr. Stone has ranked a variety of killers on a scale of 1-23 according to how evil they were. I was not even familiar with a lot of these characters. Others were familiar to me. I appreciated that he decided that many killers were not psychopathic. That would seem to be correct. You certainly do not have to be a certifiable sociopath or psychopath to kill someone or even to kill more than one person. However, most spree and serial killers are sociopaths. This is because most non-sociopaths could not handle killing, then waiting a long time, and then killing again. The non-psychopath can maybe kill once and even then they are often eaten up with guilt and anxiety. The guilt and anxiety is so great that they can’t do it again. I tell you, if I killed someone in some mad killing, I would be going completely crazy over it, probably for the rest of my life. The guilt, anxiety and fear in the near term aftermath would be so extreme that I would probably just have to turn myself in at least to keep from killing myself because committing a mad killing would probably make me suicidal. That is, if I could even do such a thing in the first place, which is extremely dubious. A lot of the non-sociopathic killers are instead narcissistic. This makes sense. The narcissist can actually be dangerous. It is not uncommon for them to stoop to physical violence and many narcissists are sadistic. They can definitely kill sometimes but usually they do not.

Filipino Spree Killer, Efren Valdemoro, Kills 4 People, Shot Dead

Weird story. I am having a hard time making sense of all of these crimes and putting together a timeline of what this guy did. I don’t know what’s wrong with him either. Apparently he went off the deep end in recent days.

Victims are mostly women, Filipinas or Vietnamese. Two older Filipinas were killed and an older man, possibly also a Filipino, was also killed. The older man was beaten to death. The two women went missing a week ago.

In addition, he killed his middle aged Vietnamese girlfriend with a meat cleaver after taking her prisoner in his car. He kidnapped her from her hair salon, took her prisoner in her car, and, incredibly, strangled her to death in the vehicle with a rope at some point during a high-speed chase. He was driving with her dead in his car when he was shot dead by Highway Patrol in a strip mall in Richmond, California, not far from where the matter started in Vallejo. He had attacked cops with a meat cleaver.

Bomb-making materials were found in his storage shed. The son of the murdered elderly man is also missing and probably dead, which would up his total to 5 killed. The killer was 38 years old.

Patrick Tracy Burris is the Gaffney Serial Killer

Update 3:06 AM EST: My sources tell me that Patrick Burris had a woman with him right before he committed the Tyler Home Center killings. No one yet knows who the woman is. I have found the rap sheet for Sharon Stamey. You can see it here (Sharon Stamey rap sheet). She is just a doper and a petty thief. The name of the Gaffney Serial Killer was released in a press conference that occurred from 8-9 PM EST June 6. His name was Patrick Tracy Burris, age 42. The press conference said they had no address and he seems to have been something of a drifter. However, my sources found his most recent address at age 42 living at Reidsville, North Carolina. That is north of Greensboro near the border with Virginia. However, in recent days, he was said to be living in Lincoln County, just north of Gaston County where he was shot dead. For details on his shooting by Gaston County police, see here. His Reidsville address was about 120 miles northwest of Gaston County, where he was shot, and 150 miles north of Gaffney, South Carolina, where he committed his murder spree. He had committed many crimes in many different states, in North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Maryland and Virginia. He was wanted on a warrant for being a habitual felon at the time he was killed. He had a 25 page rap sheet for multiple robberies, breaking and entering, burglary, possession of stolen property, forgery and traffic offenses. Quite a bit of his rap sheet is available on the Net (link to Patrick Burris’ rap sheet). Here is a link to a 2001 news item about Burris being arrested in Wentworth, North Carolina and charged with five counts each of felony breaking and entering, felony larceny and felony possession of stolen goods. Burris was accused of breaking into three residences and five outbuildings on Price Road, Price Grange Road, Snead Room and Settlement Loop Road. It was probably for this set of crimes that he served eight years and was just released. Wentworth is near Reidsville. He was living on Thornton Road in Eden, NC at the time of the 2001 arrest (map here). That’s about 1 mile south of the Virginia state line. Burris was released from prison on April 29, 2009 after serving eight years in prison. That is only two months before he went on his murder spree. There is apparently evidence, presently unreleased, that puts Burris in the Gaffney area during each of the three shooting incidents. The caliber of the gun is not being revealed in the press conference, but my sources tell me it was a .25 caliber pistol that was used in all three killings. My sources also tell me that Burris was found with a rifle that was stolen during the killing of Kline Cash. In addition, witnesses, possibly including Mrs. Cash, noted that the driver’s side door could only be opened from the inside and could only be opened from the outside. The driver had to roll down the window and reach outside to open the door. This is one of the details that the police were not releasing. Apparently the vehicle in Gaston County also could not be opened from the inside.

Photo of Patrick Tracy Burris, the Gaffney Serial Killer.
Photo of Patrick Tracy Burris, the Gaffney Serial Killer. Compare to the sketch of the killer below.
Here is a photo of the sketch of the suspect for comparison.
This is the second photo released of the Gaffney, SC serial killer. I assume he is still a White guy.
This is the second photo released of the Gaffney, SC serial killer. Compare to the photo of the killer above.
Here is another photo for comparison.
Another photo of Patrick Burris. Compare to the artist sketch.
Another photo of Patrick Burris. Compare to the artist sketch.
Here is the sketch and the photo together so you can compare them.
A photo of Patrick Burris placed alongside the composite sketch of the Gaffney Serial Killer. Compare the two.
A photo of Patrick Burris placed alongside the composite sketch of the Gaffney Serial Killer. Compare the two.

Photo of Vehicle Used by Gaffney Serial Killer

The SUV used by the Gaffney Serial Killer, up on blocks to be towed away. It differed in significant ways from the witness descriptions, but the witnesses got the general picture right.
The SUV used by the Gaffney Serial Killer, up on blocks to be towed away. It differed in significant ways from the witness descriptions, but the witnesses got the general picture right.
Here is a photo of the vehicle that was used by the Gaffney Serial Killer. It is a Ford Explorer, but other than that, the description was off. The witness reports described it as silver or champagne, and the color is gold. The reports also said it was a 1991-1994 model and a 2 door, but instead it’s a 4-door and it looks like around a 2000 or so model to me. Witness reports are often off in these type of cases, but they got the general picture anyway.

Gaffney Serial Killer Shot By Police in Gaston County, NC

Update 6:58 PM: The man killed Dallas, North Carolina is indeed the Gaffney Serial Killer. His name is Patrick Tracy Burris. More in an updated post here. They reported it on CNN, but we broke the story here 30 minutes earlier. There was a press conference at 8-9 PM EST June 6. Identification was reportedly made by ballistics tests. The killer was still in possession of the .25 pistol that was used in the killings. At 2:30 AM in Dallas, North Carolina, a man saw a vehicle matching the description of the Gaffney Serial Killer’s car back into a shabby garage at an abandoned home across the street. A man got out, wearing a ballcap and resembling the sketch of the killer. He was stumbling, appeared to be drunk, and had two people with him. He called 9-11. Dallas is 28 miles northeast of Gaffney, South Carolina, where a serial killer killed 5 people over a week recently. Police arrived and found that the home is vacant. However, three people were in the home. Two were related. Their names are Mark Stamey, 35 and his sister, Sharon Stamey, 31. They were with a big older man. Mark Stamey said he only knew that the man’s name was Patrick. Police arrived at 2:40 AM after a report about a possible burglary in process, because the home is vacant. When officers arrived, they started questioning the three people. Patrick Burris gave them false identification. When they found out his real name, they ran it and found that Burris had a warrant out for his arrest from Lincoln County. Lincoln County is just north of Gaston County. An altercation took place inside the house, and Burris drew a gun and shot the officer in the foot. The officer, J.K. Shaw, drew his weapon and shot and killed Burris. Police arriving at the scene found a rifle like the one stolen and murder victim Cash Kline’s home in addition to a .25 pistol. At that point, they called in South Carolina LE to see if the dead man was the Gaffney Serial Killer. The vehicle parked in front of the house is gold-colored Ford Explorer, a close match for the vehicle that the Gaffney Serial Killer was driving. Police are now saying that the dead man is the Gaffney Serial Killer. Mark and Sharon Stamey have been arrested on unknown charges. Both have prior criminal records. Sharon Rose Stamey is due to appear in Gaston County Court on July 7 on charges on cocaine distribution. Sharon Stamey’s rap sheet is here. Doper and a petty thief. Shaw has been treated and released for his gunshot wounds.

Possible Sixth Homicide Victim in Gaffney, SC Died of Natural Causes

1:12 AM, July 6: Update: It turns out that 53 year old James Thomas McGaha of North Limestone Street died of natural causes, and was not shot or beat up. He was found in an alley near the Little Theatre on the corner of North Petty Street and East Robinson Street in Gaffney, scene of five murders over the past week. Homicides are not common in Gaffney. The Gaffney, SC metropolitan area has a population of 50,000. The town of Gaffney, SC itself has a population of around 12,000. All of Cherokee County (where Gaffney is located) saw only six homicides in all of 2008.

Gaffney Serial Killer Claims Fifth Victim, Abby Tyler

The number of victims of the Gaffney Serial Killer has risen to five with the heartbreaking death of a young girl. The media is now reporting it, but we were the first to break the story. Tragically, Abby Tyler, age 15, who was shot and critically wounded by the Gaffney Serial Killer late Thursday, July 2, died. She died at 11:15 AM in Spartanburg Regional Medical Center. She lived for about 40 hours after being shot in the head by the South Carolina serial killer at her father’s store, Tyler Home Center, in Gaffney, South Carolina. All victims have been killed in this small city of 50,000. She and her father were shot just as they were closing the store. The store was only 1/2 mile from the sheriff’s department. One investigator speculated that the killer killed the Tylers to taunt the police. Abby Tyler was a very pretty young girl. It is sad that a promising young life was cut short so cruelly. RIP Abby Tyler. You died way too young.

Photo of Abby Tyler, age 15, who was shot in the head by the Gaffney Serial Killer. She died 1 1/2 days later on the Fourth of July. She was a very pretty girl.
Photo of Abby Tyler, age 15, who was shot in the head by the Gaffney Serial Killer. She died 1 1/2 days later on the Fourth of July. She was a very pretty girl. Poor thing.

Serial Killer on the Loose in Gaffney, SC

Update November 16: Tyler Home Center is now closed due to the death of its owner, Steven Tyler. There is no connection between any of three sets of victims other than evidence. Victims did not know each other, or at least did not know each other well. There is no known motive or connection for the killings. A ballcap was worn at all three murders. This implies that he was seen at the Linder killings. The killer was wearing a checkered shirt and blue jeans. Police are confident it is the same man who did all three sets of killings. There is a lot of evidence linking the three crime scenes. Two people spoke to the killer shortly before the killings at two of the crime scenes. They said he was “polite” and “seemed like an average person.” In addition, several more people saw the killer at the crime scenes but did not speak to him. He waited until the victims left the area before he killed. The man found dead in an alley near the Little Theatre on the corner of North Petty Street and East Robinson Street in Gaffney was determined to have died of natural causes. Reports indicating that he had been shot in the chest and had been beaten up were false. The dead man is 53 year old James Thomas McGaha of North Limestone Street, Gaffney. All of the victims are said to have been from upper middle class families. Gena Parker attended the funeral of Cline Parker shortly before she was murdered. All victims were members of older, generationally established Gaffney families that have lived in Gaffney for a long time. Steven Tyler and Gena Parker were from the same graduating class. They did not graduate together as Steve went to the old Gaffney Day School and graduated in 11th Grade. However, they were from the same class era. The killer of Kline Cash had a 4-5 day growth of beard. Many are saying that the killer is either unemployed or works nights or staggered shifts. A day shift worker could not have committed the Linder killings and a swing shift worker could not have committed the Tyler killings. A weekend day shift worker could not have committed Cash killing. We have discovered the reason why there are two different artist renderings of the suspect. See the photos of the renderings below for more. There is an unconfirmed rumor that two guns were taken from Kline Cash before he was killed. One of those guns was a rifle. This may be the robbery that the police refer to. The rumor states that one of the stolen guns was left behind at the Linder crime scene. Stephen Tyler may have been called back to his business just before it closed. When he arrived, he was shot dead along with his daughter. The Tyler killings occurred at the precise time when the funeral for Kline Cash was going on. You can listen to the Spartanburg County police scanner here. A serial killer is on the loose in South Carolina.

This is the first photo released by the Cherokee County Sheriff's Office of the South Carolina serial killer.
This is the first photo released by the Cherokee County Sheriff's Office of the South Carolina serial killer. This first sketch is based on Mrs. Cash's recollection of the man who came asking about buying hay at the Cash home shortly before Mr. Cash was killed.
Residents of Gaffney, South Carolina are staying indoors instead of partying on the Fourth of July. There have been five homicides in the past six days, all shootings. Police say they are all connected. Police have released a sketch of the suspect, a White male with salt and pepper hair. He may be driving a light-gray or champagne tan 1991-1994 two-door Ford Explorer. The Whites of the area are  locking doors in the daytime, hoping to save their lives. The spree began on Saturday, June 27. The suspect came to the home of Kline Cash and asked about buying hay. His wife said when she left at 3 PM the man was talking to her husband about buying hay. A few hours later, at 6:45 PM, she came back and found peach farmer Kline Cash, 63, shot dead in the living room of the home. The motive may have been robbery.
Kline Cash, a local peach farmer, bound and shot in his living room. He was also robbed. Cash was the first victim of the Gaffney Serial Killer.
Kline Cash, a local peach farmer, bound and shot in his living room. He was also robbed. Cash was the first victim of the Gaffney Serial Killer.
Four days later, at 3 PM on Wednesday, July 1, family members found the bodies of Hazel Linder, 83 and her daughter Gina Linder Parker, 50, bound and shot to death in their home. A sign, “Hay For Sale” was visible outside the residence. In the Kline Cash case, the Gaffney Serial Killer had stopped by asking to buy hay.
Photo of Gena Parker Linder, bound and murdered in her mother's home by the Gaffney Serial Killer. She was a beloved 3rd grade teacher at a local elementary school.
Photo of Gena Parker Linder, bound and murdered in her mother's home by the Gaffney Serial Killer. She was a beloved 3rd grade teacher at a local elementary school.
Photo of Hazel Linder, bound and shot to death in her home by the Gaffney Serial Killer. She looked in great shape for 83.
Photo of Hazel Linder, bound and shot to death in her home by the Gaffney Serial Killer. She looked in great shape for 83.
Yesterday, Thursday, June 2, Steven Tyler, 48, was shot to death and his 15 year old daughter, Abby Tyler, was shot in the head and seriously wounded around closing time, 7:30 PM, in Tyler Home Center, the furniture and appliance store that the family ran. They were found by Tyler’s wife, an older daughter and an employee. It is not known if the Tylers were bound. Abby Tyler died in the hospital at noon on the Fourth of July.
Photo of Abby Tyler, age 15, who was shot in the head by the Gaffney Serial Killer. Very pretty girl.
Photo of Abby Tyler, age 15, who was shot in the head by the Gaffney Serial Killer. She died 1 1/2 days later on the Fourth of July. She was a very pretty girl.
Photo of Stephen Tyler, owner of Tyler Center, shot and killed by the Gaffney Serial Killer.
Photo of Stephen Tyler, owner of Tyler Center, shot and killed by the Gaffney Serial Killer.
Incredibly, the Tyler shootings occurred only 1/2 mile away from the sheriff’s office, where 30 officers are working full-time on the case. The Tylers may have been shot to taunt investigators by pulling off a crime so close to the cops’ headquarters. It was a pretty ballsy thing to do. Although authorities are describing this as a serial killer, a better description might be spree killer. Spree killers are really easy to catch, but the problem is that since there is little to no downtime between killings, they can kill quite a few before they get caught. Even though he has killed two men, authorities say he is targeting females. Authorities have now retracted that statement. Right now, 100 officers from North and South Carolina are working on the case. It’s not known if anything was taken in the Tyler and Linder killings. The suspect is a White man. He is said to be 6’2-6’3, heavyset at 230-250 pounds, with intense blue eyes and salt and pepper hair. He is in his late 40’s. He had a 4-5 day growth of beard at the time of the Kline killing. He was wearing a checkered shirt and blue jeans. He had a ballcap on during all three killings.
This is the second photo released of the Gaffney, SC serial killer. I assume he is still a White guy.
This is the second photo released of the Gaffney, SC serial killer. The second sketch is based on a woman who saw the killer enter Tyler Home Center shortly before the two Tyler victims were killed. The woman got a good look at him.

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