dramatically more accurate than the 85
Thing is, over time your information tends to get better. You learn which rumors have promise and which have not panned out. Also, you develop better sources. We now have search party members who saw the crime scene; official case documents; the testimony of Leigh Kerr, a man who claims to have seen official case documents; accurate crime scene photos; and the best LE sources we have ever had. In the first four years, two LE officers only affirmed one rumor each. But now we have an excellent regular LE source close to the investigation giving us regular updates, the best LE source we’ve ever had.
Bottom line is the quality of our sources has increased dramatically over time. Consequently, the accuracy of our statements should go up a lot too. Our error rate at the moment is probably under 50
Qualification of Claims
You will see below where we regard certain things as Proven. That is because we got these statements either directly from LE, official case documents, or the same conclusions reached independently by two different sources (for this to be false, both sources would have had to make up the exact same lie), or from direct statements from one of the girls’ guardians. These are the only claims that people can hold us to because with all the rest, we openly admit that the claims are Unverified, so we should not be held to any of those claims.
The category below Proven is ally called Unverified with Different Qualifications. Keep in mind that we are not claiming that anything listed below as Unverified is true, although some it has a good chance of being true.
Unverified but Likely. In these cases, we have 4-5 separate sources, usually vaguely referred to as inside sources, testifying to the truth of something. Because of the number of people saying this rumor is true, it goes into the likely category.
Unverified with Some Likelihood of Being True is a common qualification. Most of Leigh Kerr’s and the search party member’s testimony has gone into this bracket because unfortunately, while we think they are right, we cannot regard their testimony as probative.
Unverified. Some claims are listed as unverified. These are simply unverified rumors.
Unverified and Probably Not True. This claims are quite dubious and we don’t suggest anyone put any weight into them.
The Uselessness of Most Delphi Murders Podcasters and Reddit Groups
Few of the illustrious Delphi Murders Youtubers has touched the real truth about this case as laid out in this website, probably because they are all narcissists who hate each other and hate anyone stealing their thunder. However, Mindtruth has done a number of episodes on our information and I thank Bruce for that very much. Remember how all these Youtubers trashed Leigh Kerr? That’s because he was competition. See? These guys are mostly narcissists and they don’t believe in cooperation. It’s all about the zero-sum game. One person wins and everyone else loses. I like some of these guys.
John Kelly has some good information. Indiana Cold Cases is similar and so is True Crime Jesus. Most of the rest are not bad people, but they are showboats, loudmouths, and boasters with egos the size of small planets. Every podcast is all about them! Obviously this is the only type of personality that is capable of podcasting – an egomaniac – on the other hand, their personality pathology limits the usefulness of their shows.
I tune in to their broadcasts and most of it is these narcissists collecting narcissistic supply, which is being doled out by their worshipful audience. Furthermore, almost nothing of consequence is being said, and it reminds you of a night with your friends drinking, and no one says one thing of importance for hours.
Most of these podcasts are silly speculation or talk about POI’s who are all ruled out. There is endless silly speculation in the comments about BG – “I think BG was a teenager…What if BG escaped on a hand glider?…What if BG is dead?…What if BG escaped to a deserted island where he now renamed himself Lord Jim and is now king of the savages?…What if BG is really a woman in drag?…What if BG is Mafia hitman?…Bla bla bla bla.”
I’m sure it’s very interesting to posit your wandering speculation about what if this or maybe something or possibly why, who or what, but at the end of the day, it’s writing words in the air with water vapor to be blown away with the next wind. Idle speculation at its finest. Apparently there is a human need to wonder, guess, and posit. Otherwise why do we have religions? Why do kids play make-believe?
I guess this need continues into adulthood, but I like a little meat on my bone.
The Reddit sites are pretty useless too, mostly because most posters regard the best sources on this crime as false. They’ve been doing this from the very start, so this is nothing new. These are mostly hate sites. Little if any good information comes out of these places. R/LibbyandAbby is awful, but it’s a lot better than r/DelphiMurders. And there are some good posters on r/LibbyandAbby; it’s just that they happen to be in the minority and all the best posters get downvoted to Hell and the people who are dead wrong get scores of upvotes!
R/DelphiMurders is completely useless due to their “no rumors or speculation” rules, which means that you can only discuss what is proven about the case, which after four years, is just about nothing. R/LibbyandAbby does allow rumors and speculations, so at least they get some good posts and posters, while the overall mood is still a downer.
However, there are some good posters, especially on r/LibbyandAbby. In particular, user/tobor is excellent.
The scope of this investigation in terms of who the police think did it and how it unfolded has been dramatically narrowed. We have the basic outlines of the crime sketched, and we’ve even filled in a lot of the blanks.
Questions Regarding My Credibility and Professionalism
Answers to questions about my credibility. I am creating a special article about this to link to in order to deal with the constant hate comments in this regard so I don’t have to keep going over this stuff in every update.
Finally, after Four Years, Acquisition of Good LE Sources
It turns out that we have acquired a sleuth who is a former detective. He’s bored and has nothing to do, so we recruited him to sleuth for us. He is happy to do so. He has connections with current LE officers.
We sent him off to dig into Mr. X. He went away for a bit and came back a while later with proof from LE that some of the things we have been reporting as rumors here are absolute fact. This source close to the retired detective will be referred to as an LE source close to the investigation.
Mr. X Is Innocent Until Proven Guilty
I am not revealing the name of the main suspect here and will only refer to him as Mr. X. I also request all commenters to also refer to him as Mr. X. I do this as a simple measure to try to protect his identity. I do not feel comfortable using his initials or certainly his name. I do not want to see this man or his family harassed in any way. No one knows if he did this crime or not. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t.
Yes, this man is the prime suspect at the moment, but that doesn’t mean a whole lot. Twice in the the Evansdale Murders, LE thought they were certain that they had the right man. Twice they were wrong. They have thought they had the right guy several times in the Zodiac case, but all of the suspects fell through.
Mr. X has is not even at the Person of Interest stage in this case. Person of Interest is a much higher standard than unnamed suspect, and he hasn’t even risen to that level yet. No one knows if Mr. X is guilty or not. I happen to think he probably did it, but what do I know?
LE doesn’t have much in the way of good, solid evidence against Mr. X. They have enough suggestive evidence to make them think he did it, but if you look a the nature of their actual evidence, it’s awfully thin. In fact, the rumor is that LE simply does not have enough evidence against Mr. X to take the case to court. DA’s require a very high standard of evidence to bring a homicide charge against someone. If the DA does not think he has enough evidence in a homicide case to win in court, they won’t take it to trial. At this point, they don’t even have enough for an arrest.
Say for instance LE arrested Mr. X and charged him with the double homicides of these two girls. If they tried to take it to court, I am almost certain that the judge would throw it out before it even got to the trial stage. The judge would say you don’t even have enough evidence against this man to take this case to court and throw it out of court. That’s very embarrassing.
Furthermore, homicide is the most serious thing you can charge anyone with. The judicial system likes to make sure that they get it right, if only to protect the due process rights of the accused.
There are cases like this all over the country.
A famous one is the Lewiston Killer in Lewiston, Idaho in the late 1970’s. He killed at least five people, specializing in young women. The police chief says he is 99
There is a suspected child killer in the Bay Area who is responsible for 5-10 child murders. They don’t have enough on the main suspect him to take him to trial, but they enough to think did it. A book has been published accusing this man of this crime. The main suspect is brazen, openly admits to being a pedophile, goes to the victims’ graves and leaves flowers, and visits the victims’ families to offer “solace for their losses.” See the sort of games these guys play? A police chief in Martinez accused the man of committing these crimes, and the man sued the city and won $50,000.
This is why you don’t hear LE openly accusing people of committing serious crimes like homicide unless they have enough evidence to take them to trial.
And those are just a few of the suspected serials running around free. There are many cases of homicides or attempted homicides in the same category.
If Mr. X Were on Trial for These Murders Today and I Were in the Jury, I Would Vote to Acquit Him
Yes, I think Mr. X did this crime. But my opinion isn’t worth anything. And if Mr. X was being tried today and I was on the jury, I would certainly vote to acquit. Because it doesn’t matter whether I think he’s guilty or not. The state has to prove it. If I were on the jury, the only thing I would care about was whether the state had proved that Mr. X committed this crime. And with the evidence they currently have, they haven’t proven it. So I would definitely hang the jury and let Mr. X walk, and in all probability, BG would be free to walk the streets again. That’s the price you pay to live in a free society.
Time to Give up on All These POI’s
This is getting ridiculous. No one has to believe me when I say LE has a main suspect, but there are number of suspects that ought to be put to rest.
Ron Logan: Enough already. Give it a rest, dammit! How many times has he been cleared? 242? Maybe we need to clear him a 243rd time then just to make sure! However, an interesting theory is that BG may have attempted to frame Ron Logan with this crime for obscure reasons. BG was dressed in clothes similar to what Ron wore, and he took the girls to Ron’s land and killed them there.
Mike Patty: Just stop, ok? Stop. He’s innocent. Leave this poor man alone, for God’s sake. Hasn’t he suffered enough? No, he didn’t kill his own granddaughter. Come on, people.
Becky Patty: Obviously they’re not accusing her of the homicides! The accusation is that she “knows something” or “knows way too much” and is covering for someone, presumably the killer. I doubt it. No one’s been hurt by this case more than Becky Patty. It’s as if she took the grief of a whole town under her breast and pledged to suffer for them all, Jesus-like. Not quite sainthood, but getting there. I heard that at the 2019 conference, she burst into tears. Of course she did. She still hasn’t been able to process this, assuming such a thing can ever be processed. She has channeled her pain into grief and sadness.
Others close to the victims, who I will not name, have channeled their grief into rage and lashing out at everyone around them. It’s an understandable reaction, but they’re not pleasant to be around. This person is externalizing their pain into rage and projecting it outwards at the world. I won’t reveal who I am talking about here though it should be obvious. I will say that Libby’s birth mother has also dealt with her loss by turning rageful. Both of these people were probably ragers before, so it’s not like they did a U-turn. Of course, we empathize with their losses, but sympathy wears thin when someone is screaming in your face. Let’s hope they find some peace.
The last person on Earth to “protect the killer” is poor Becky Patty, God bless her mortal soul.
Derrick German: Libby’s father, meth dealer, convict who served time in prison and supposedly ratted people out to get a lower sentence. He has dealt with his grief with silence and hiding himself away. I don’t know this man very well, but he wasn’t in on this crime.
Kelsi German: Sister of Libby. Kelsi’s DNA was the only DNA found on the bodies. Kelsi has been investigated quite a bit, and she has been interviewed a few times by the FBI, including a couple of times at her school. For whatever reason, she confuses facts all the time and can’t keep her stories straight. I have no idea why she’s doing this, but it’s not because she killed her own sister. Kelsi German has been cleared.
FSG, or DMC: Probably shouldn’t use his real name, but he’s on everybody’s suspect list. He was one of the original witnesses who saw BG and gave a description. Now he says he never saw BG at all. I guess he can’t make up his mind. He’s also thoroughly lawyered up, and he’s not saying a word. I get it. He’s a greedy businessman with dollar signs in fluttering eyes that sound like clanging cash registers every time he blinks. His favorite color is green: like the woods, like the loot. Hey, it’s a capitalist country, right? The theory is that he was in on these murders for mercenary reasons, such as a malign desire to purchase Ron Logan’s land. Sure he’s a greedy businessman, but I doubt if he’s that greedy.
FSG along with others present at the bridge have been investigated as possible lookouts for BG. Not because there’s any evidence that they were lookouts, but more because everyone in that situation at the time of the murders is being looked at that way. I’d be surprised if he were in on this, but stranger things have happened.
Paul Etter: A 55 year old local man of many interests. One of his many interesting hobbies was abducting and raping young women. But alas, he raped one lass too many, and the law closed in on him holed up in his home, which now resembled Dodge City. He saved society a lot of money by eating a bullet, freeing up some fresh air and making the world the tiniest bit of a better place. He raped women, not young teenage girls. He was the right age, but he doesn’t look like BG. LE has already looked into him quite a bit, and I assume he’s cleared.
CM: Not even going to bother to reveal his name. Professor at a local university, known for the Geocaching Theory. Some connection with Libby via geocaching. I was never aware that anyone had any good evidence against this harmless-looking fellow. Lawyered up, not talking. He’s afraid he’s going to be framed with these murders, a reasonable fear.
CN: Middle aged man, resident of Delphi. Well, he’s the right age anyway. Never knew what the case was against this man other than that he had property near the bridge, and he and his wife’s alibi of being out of the state traveling got a bit mangled. We all stumble over our words sometimes. He’s a local executive of a government function or perhaps better yet a nonprofit of some sort. Possibly works with kids. I’ve looked this man over and I can’t think of anyone less likely to commit this crime. His wife has taken to social media lately, pleading with people to stop harassing them and insisting he had nothing to do with this crime. Good advice. How bout taking it to heed, everyone?
Garrett Kirts: Local man, all around run of the mill bad person. He killed a woman. So he’s a murderer. He’s in prison where he belongs. I never knew what evidence anyone had against this guy except, “He kills chicks! So that means he killed these girls because they’re chicks too!” Doesn’t sound like a logical progression of thought to me. Empiricism is a thing. Besides, he’s the wrong age, 27-28. BG is a 50 year old man. Give it a rest, everyone.
Brad Holder: Brad’s son, Jason, was Abby’s boyfriend. Brad was a suspect for a while, and one of the detectives working on the case even stated off the record that he thought Brad did it. Holder has an alibi that he was working out at a gym at the time. In general, the less said about the other aspects of his life the better, and they have no relationship to this case anyway.
The point is that that Mr. Holder had nothing to do with this crime. And although he’s no no saint, I don’t think he has it in him to commit a crime like this. We wrote an article a while back pointing out that we felt Holder was innocent, and that set off a spate of hate mail and threats from him and his son, which we found odd. You write an article saying some guy’s not involved, and you get swamped with threats to track and hunt you down? I don’t get it.
Clearing Up Some Recent Attacks on Our Theories
It is being said that we are claiming all sorts of odd things about this crime, what happened, and the crime scene. We openly admit that much of what we are saying about this crime are unverified rumors. See below for which rumors we believe are proven and which are unverified.
Furthermore, when people say that I, Robert Lindsay, have no sources, no documents, on and on, please keep something in mind. “Robert Lindsay” isn’t just one guy. “Robert Lindsay” is the leader of a sleuthing group that presently has ~230 paid members. They all go off and do their own work. They have their own sources. On and on. These people are from all over the country and have expertise in all sorts of different areas.
So when you are saying, “No way does Lindsay have inside sources or official documents,” do you think it’s possible that a team of 230 sleuths all working together could have come up such things? Something to think about.
Specifically, we are getting much of the the following information straight from the cops themselves. Got it? Instead of bashing us, why don’t you ask why the cops are telling us this stuff? Are they deliberately lying to us? If so, why? Are we making up lies about getting information from police when we actually have no contacts with them? Why would we do that? We don’t do that on here and never have. For one, it’s a gross violation of journalistic ethics, and I was trained to be a journalist – I have a BA in Journalism and worked as an editor of a large magazine, among other things.
Facts about the Main Suspect in the Case – Mr. X
The motive is apparently lust murder motivated by sexual sadism combined with psychopathy, the classic formulation almost all serial killers have. The motive was sexual. This was a sex crime, a sex homicide.
We now know a lot of things about the main suspect, including the name, age, height, weight, marital status, possible offspring, address, names of wife and children, and history of his life.
These are the facts about the man LE suspects is BG. An asterisk means the information is proven via LE information leaked to us. A double asterisk means the information is proven by case documents in our possession.
Items known to be carried or worn by BG at the time of crime:
Loaded handgun in right jacket pocket, type unknown, possibly a rare .40mm collector’s item.
Members Only jacket, blue.
Old style 501 blue jeans from the 1980’s – Dad jeans.
Indiana Packers boots.
Camouflage hunting cap.
Go Pro camera on waist.
Deer kit on waist with five hunting knives.
White scarf covering the lower half of his face.
Bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in left pocket.*
Known facts about the personal life of the main suspect, Mr. X.:
Residence history: Unknown for first 18 years, possibly Illinois. Delphi, Indiana from at least 1984-2021. Resident of Delphi in 1984-85 at minimum.
Important residence periods: Moved to Evansdale, Iowa in 2011-2012 to work at a slaughterhouse possibly aligned with Tyson Foods there. Was present when the Evansdale Murders occurred. Homeless for a period in the 2000’s, where he resided at a homeless shelter.
Education history: Primary and junior high unknown.
Senior high school: First years unknown but graduated from Delphi High School in 1984-85.
Age at time of crime: 49-50 (uncertain).
Present age: 53-54 (uncertain).
Hair color: Dark brown.
Facial hair: Goatee or trimmed beard.
Height: Approximately 5’8.
Weight: Approximately 180.
Sexual age orientation: Pedohebephilia, nonexclusive, AOA 8-14.
Sexual object orientation: Heterosexual.
Residence at time of crime: Delphi, Indiana since 1984. Recently moved to a small city nearby, possibly due to the heat of being a suspect in the crime. Lists a factory as place of residence.
Employment history: Unknown prior to 2011. May have worked at Tyson Foods slaughterhouse in Logansport, Indiana and sister facility in Waterloo, Iowa in 2011-2012. Employed at two factories in nearby towns as a machine operator in recent years.
Occupation: Handicrafter making wooden signs.
Distance of residence from crime scene at the time of the crime: Less than 2 miles to the east along the creek.
Familiarity with crime location: Extreme. Friends with Ron Logan on whose property the crime occurred. Frequently hunted deer on Ron’s land. Clearly very familiar with the area of the crime and perhaps knew it as well as the back of his hand.
Marital status: Married, rocky and tumultuous marriage with breakups where they go live on their own and later get back together. At least two prior marriages.
Children: Two daughters, one ~22, another ~30. Ages approximate. One stepson, age 21 with the same first and last names.
Relationship with younger daughter: Excellent, she is very fond of him.
Relationship with older daughter and stepson: Unknown.
Important friendships: Very casual friend of Mike Patty, father of one of the girl victims. Possible Harley buddies (friends who ride Harley-Davidson motorcycles), as Mike is an avid Harley rider. There is a rumor of a falling out between the two men at some time before the crime. What that has to do with anything is not known. Hunting partner of Anthony Greeno, podcaster who has reported on the case avidly.
Hobbies: Raising goats, riding and fixing up Harley-Davidson motorcycles, very avid deer hunter, handicrafting wooden signs.
Specific Information about the Crime Confirmed to Us by the Police