More on the Grotesque Abuse of Words Like Pedophilia, Hebephilia, and MAP

Subliminal Society: Robert? The biggest mistake that English grammarians could ever make is admitting the term “MAP” or “Minor-Attracted Person” into our language. There is certainly a world of a difference between a 23-year-old man who takes his pregnant 15-year-old girlfriend’s hand in marriage and an 81-year-old creep who lures a 6-year-old girl into his car by offering her candy, and then taking her off somewhere to do the unthinkable to her.

Sometimes I get to thinking that these pedophile-rights organizations like the Newgon Organization are in complicity with these man-hating femi-Nazis to push the usage of the term “MAP” in our English language so that society will conflate adult-adolescent sexual intimacy with actual child molestation and demonize every man over 21 years old who has ever fallen in love with a teenage girl.

It’s already happening right under our very noses. Chris Hansen really opened up Pandora’s box when he decided to get his face in the spotlight performing online sex-sting operations that were really nothing more than crusades to decrease teen pregnancy in our nation.

Robert? Have you heard of this one pseudo-feminist named Shanley Kane? She is a WACKO! She believes that if a man in his forties or fifties dates a 19-year-old woman, then he is a pedophile. I mean, singer Ric Ocasek of The Cars married an 18-year-old woman when he was in his forties, and he’s not a pedophile.

Don’t these femi-Nazi witches ever read the Fifth Edition of the “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (“DSM-5”) or the Eleventh Edition of the “International Classification of Diseases” (“ICD-11”)?

Oh, by the way, Robert. Good article above.

If the American Psychiatric Association reclassifies hebephilia as a paraphilia, then as you stated in your article, they would have to tighten up the definition of it to specify that it would have to be an ongoing age preference like pedophilia that would shut that individual’s life off from any possibility of living happily ever after with the love of his life as she ages from an adolescent girl to a young adult woman to a middle-aged woman to an elderly woman.

I’ve only actually met one person like that in my life.

I’ve known lots of men who first fell in love with their current wives when their wives were in middle school or high school, and these men were significantly older than them. Under your criteria, they wouldn’t qualify to be hebephiles.

Police officials and prosecutors would just hate that because criminal defense attorneys would throw it in their face in statutory rape trials.

An excellent comment from these two articles.

There is certainly a world of a difference between a 23-year-old man who takes his pregnant 15-year-old girlfriend’s hand in marriage and an 81-year-old creep who lures a 6-year-old girl into his car by offering her candy, and then taking her off somewhere to do the unthinkable to her.

For God’s sake, absolutely! A friend of mine pretty much told me to quit writing about this stuff because it’s freaking everyone out and making them call me pedophile. I think I should talk about less, especially in articles that are not about that subject.

But do you see that paragraph above? For the most part this all I am trying to do. Yes, there is a world of difference, no matter what the sex fascists say, between a 23 year old man marrying his 15 year old jailbait girlfriend and some 81 year old freak who lures a 6 year old girl into his car with candy and then takes her off somewhere to molest her. Those two things have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with each other no matter how loud the sex fascists scream! That is all, all, all, all I am trying to do here when I discuss this sort of thing.

I’m not even saying the 23 year old man with the 15 year old girlfriend is ok. He’s breaking the law and he may not be able to get out of it with marriage. That may cause him a lot of problems if he ends up getting arrested. So I wouldn’t recommend such risky behavior.

But my God, to conflate that like the sex fascists do with creepy maniacs who lure away and most little girls or small children to molest them is just insane.

That’s it! That’s my whole purpose here. For the life of me I can’t understand why the sex fascists say it’s such a deadly and life-wrecking taboo to talk about such things. Have we gone mad? Yes, we have.

Sometimes I get to thinking that these pedophile-rights organizations like the Newgon Organization are in complicity with these man-hating femi-Nazis to push the usage of the term “MAP” in our English language so that society will conflate adult-adolescent sexual intimacy with actual child molestation and demonize every man over 21 years old who has ever fallen in love with a teenage girl.

Sure. What’s wrong with falling in love with a teenage girl? I believe I’ve fallen for more than a few of them in my time.

Look. Let’s get real here. Every man on Earth wants to fuck those girls. It’s looks like a woman so our caveman brain screams, “Breed it!” every time we see one. It’s just that you’re not supposed to do it.

Most of just think whatever thoughts we want to think about those girls and then try to avoid temptation by trying not to have sex with them. This gets difficult when these girls openly try to seduce us men, often by out and out propositioning us. But you still need to resist them. If you give into to temptation and have sex with them, nowadays you might just end up in a whole world of hurt.

Do I think Newgon is in league with the sex fascist feminazi crazies who think men who fantasize about 17 year old girls are sicko child molesters? I doubt it. I believe I have been to that site in doing my research. Looking it over, it does look familiar. The page on man-girl sex has a lot of run of the mill man and teenage girl sex, all of which was absolutely harmless except some where the system brainwashed the woman into thinking she had been abused.

Here are some examples. This is the very reasonable Heather who was so active on Twitter until she was banned for no rational reason. She had already caved when she was over there and turned her 15 and 23 relationship into a 17 and 23 relationship, but that didn’t stop the sex fascists from bashing her to Hell and back.

Sex activist Heather Corinna talks about the adult lovers she had when she was a teenager, including a 23-year-old man when she was 15.

“…this was also by far the most wonderful and intimate relationship of my teen years. He was more respectful of my sexual boundaries than all of my same-age peers.

He held me in higher esteem and treated me with more respect, care and love than others my age. That may be because he was older, that may be because he was who he was — there really is no telling.”

A 16-year-old girl talks about her adult lovers.

“When I have been with adults, I’ve always felt much more comfortable…I felt less inhibited when I was with a man in his twenties.”

A young woman talks about her year-long relationship with 25-year-old man when she was 16.

“I look back at it with fondness. I still understand very well why I fell in love and lust with him.”

A grown woman talks about the adult lovers from her teenage years, including a 35-year-old man when she was 17.

“They helped to expand my intellectual horizons, teach me more advanced social interactions, and give me a different perspective on things from the point of view of a different generation.”

“Society might find it distasteful — even morally reprehensible — but a 40-year-old cowboy’s sexual relationship with a 15-year-old girl was not criminal, a B.C. Supreme Court judge has ruled.

In written reasons released earlier this month, Justice Daphne Smith acquitted Leo Poncelet of sexual exploitation charges, saying the man did not hold a position of authority or trust over the teen, even though he was her riding coach the summer the two became romantically and sexually involved.

Smith said the emotional attachment between the two was mutual and the sex consensual, the result of a bond that formed between the two over the course of months.

“In May 2002, at age 18, Fawcett was one of four young men charged with statutory rape for having sex with a 14-year-old Andover High School student. The girl’s diary later revealed she had been sneaking out of her parents’ Bloomfield Township home in the middle of the night to have oral and anal sex with 22 boys and men.

In a May 2002 interview with the Free Press, the girl conceded that she was a predator and a victim: “I declare I am both. Yes, I’m a victim. I was a victim who was deceived by my own emotions and ignorance, of misplaced confidence, a victim of my own fantasies . . . Yes, predator for I chase people who themselves were victims of misplaced confidence.”

“A fourteen-year-old French girl wrote in her diary in 1978, after having slept with a 47-year-old man, ‘This was the most marvellous day of my life, the most beautiful Christmas gift. Everything I did was deliberate, and everything that happened was at my initiative.’

Unfortunately the girl’s parents, after reading these pages, succeeded in having the man who gave their daughter this wonderful experience sent to prison. The feelings of the child were of no importance.” (p. 58)

While in Friedberg, Elvis Presley met 14-year-old Priscilla Beaulieu. They would eventually marry after a seven-and-a-half-year courtship

Returning to Baltimore, Poe secretly married Virginia, his cousin, on September 22, 1835. She was 13 at the time, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21. Reinstated by White after promising good behavior, Poe went back to Richmond with Virginia and her mother. He remained at the Messenger until January 1837.

During this period, Poe claimed that its circulation increased from 700 to 3,500. He published several poems, book reviews, critiques, and stories in the paper.

References:

Meyers, 1992, Edgar Allan Poe: His Life and Legacy.

Silverman, 1991, Edgar A. Poe: Mournful and Never-Ending Remembrance.

Hervey, 1927, The Works of Edgar Allan Poe.

At the age of thirteen Marie-Anne received a marriage proposal from the Count d’Amerval, who was nearly three times her age. Jacques Paulze tried to object to the union, but received threats about losing his job with the Ferme Générale.

To indirectly thwart the marriage, Jacque Paulze made an offer to one of his colleagues to ask for his daughter’s hand instead. This colleague was Antoine Lavoisier, a French nobleman and scientist. Lavoisier accepted the proposition, and he and Marie-Anne were married on 16 December 1771. Lavoisier was about 28.

However, there was quite a bit of actual child molestation, mostly of men and 12 year old girls. Some of the girls were even younger. I’m not keen at all on that stuff, but it’s clear that many women have had experiences like that as girls and didn’t find them harmful at all, and in fact, they very much enjoyed them. Be that as it may, I don’t want to promote this sort of thing, and that’s exactly what this site is doing.

I’m not real keen on sites like that because they are frankly run by out and out pedophiles and hebephiles and the content is disturbing and upsetting if you are not one of those folks. Bottom line is it’s basically a pedo/hebe site and almost everyone who call themselves a MAP is some sort of a pedophile or a hebephile. No man who has a normal interest in teenage girls calls himself a MAP.

One site like that had a lot of content about gay men engaging in pederasty with teenage boys. There have been a number of case studies done on these relationships, and it’s not unusual that, even for straight teenage boys, a homosexual relationship with an older man is not life-wrecking and is in fact trivial. Most of these boys grow up and marry, have children, and live run of the mill heterosexual lives. Not only that but they never have gay sex again!

They often pleasantly recall the relationship with this gay man, which was often of a loving quality. Gay travel writer Norman Douglas used to do this in Sicily when he went there on his travels. He had relationships like this with several teenage boys. He was even on good terms with the boys’ parents and they knew what was going on!

Later, the boys married and became fathers and sometimes he would go back to visit. These men and their parents would welcome him back with great fondness. It seems odd that such a conservative macho place as Sicily would have no issues with an older gay man and a teenage boy, but such was the case.

Now as a straight man, I don’t think much of such relationships, but perhaps teenage boys are more resilient than we think.

Do I think Newgon is in league with the sex fascist feminazis? Nope. They’re pedos and hebes who are trying to publicize a new, less toxic word for their orientations. The others are just the usual sex fascist psychos doing their conflation game.

Chris Hansen really opened up Pandora’s box when he decided to get his face in the spotlight performing online sex-sting operations that were really nothing more than crusades to decrease teen pregnancy in our nation.

That toxic sex fascist moron Hansen did indeed open up a whole Pandora’s Box with his sleazy, idiotic, sensationalistic show. Now all sorts of sanctimonious sex fascist dipshits are copying him on Youtube. Some have even formed their own retard sex fascist organizations to feed off this idiot moral panic.

The reason this is such ripe terrain is clear. As noted above, every man on Earth wants to fuck those girls! So it’s pretty trivial for a sex fascist to pose as a 14 or 15 year old girl on sites, meet men, let them flirt with or seduce you, arrange for the men to meet you, and then sting them when they show up.

If this wasn’t such a normal attraction for men, it would be pretty hard to find guys to fall for it. So these sex fascists are feeding off of an extremely normal male desire, and then sensationalizing, pathologizing, and criminalizing it all for titillation for sanctimonious pinheads. If they were posing as 12 year old girls, it would be a lot harder. But see, they want to go the easy route.

That this moralistic sex fascist freak Hanson was actually engaging in some anti-teen pregnancy crusade is an interesting point. And by the way, pregnancies with 18 and 19 year old girls are not biologically harmful. A woman’s body is quite ready to give birth at that age. So the sex fascist “teen pregnancy” freakout in a way is just another bonehead moral panic.

Robert? Have you heard of this one pseudo-feminist named Shanley Kane? She is a WACKO! She believes that if a man in his forties or fifties dates a 19-year-old woman, then he is a pedophile. I mean, singer Ric Ocasek of The Cars married an 18-year-old woman when he was in his forties, and he’s not a pedophile.

These psycho cunts have been saying this for a long time now. All of this is flowing right out of the hatred and anger towards men that most feminists have. The idea that a man in his 40’s having sex with an 18 year old girl is a pedophile is now standard sex fascist party line. Of course it’s nothing of the sort and it’s not even 1

The sex fascists have since gone nuts over the idea of “age gaps,” which are quite normal in sexual relationships. Sure, they can be exploitative, but they don’t have to be. I’ve been in a number of these relationships myself, and I didn’t exploit those women. But then I’m not that sort of a person. These sex fascist shitheads are now coding relationships with as little as a two-year age gap as predatory and pedophilic! It’s now the Age Gap Moral Panic. Sigh.

Don’t these femi-Nazi witches ever read the Fifth Edition of the “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (“DSM-5”) or the Eleventh Edition of the “International Classification of Diseases” (“ICD-11”)?

Of course not. None of those loser  sex fascist scumbags do the science thing. In fact they hate science as much as the MAGA clowns because it keeps inconveniently coming up with the wrong answers. When science conflicts with your petty morals about right and wrong, most people ridiculously tend to say the science isn’t science, in other words that the facts aren’t facts. Instead they invent alternate facts just like the reactionaries they hate so much.

This article, which was very hard for me to read due to the subject matter – a scientific examination of the effects of child molestation (I still haven’t finished it), goes over the conflict between petty morality and the hardheaded secular god of empiricism or science.

By the way, feminists and all identity politics fools are notorious for hating science and facts because science and facts conflict with their silly morals and the moral crusade of their identity politics. Where science conflicts with petty morality, these people say it’s the science (or the facts) that is wrong, not their trivial and idiotic morals.

Feminism is also notorious for going from theory to facts instead of hypothesis to facts to conclusion or theory if the facts match the hypothesis. IP folks start from the theory, which is deemed always true no matter what, and then they look for the facts to back it up. Where they can’t find them, instead of coming up with a new theory to better explain the facts, they come up with new alternative facts to explain the infallible theory.

See what they are doing? By starting from omniscient theory, they are doing it backwards. They are starting off the investigation with the conclusion and then claiming that a foregone conclusion is a hypothesis. They then proceed to manufacture whatever facts are needed to prove this cart before the horse theory. Then they end with a validation of this hypothesis-conclusion by saying that the fake facts prove the foregone conclusion correct. But there was no need to gather facts as the conclusion was stated at the start to be true no matter what.

Technically, I would say a hebephile is any man who is more attracted to 12-14 or 12-15 year old girls than they are to older women.

Now it’s possible that they still may have substantial attraction to mature females. I have a friend who is a hebephile as he has a preferential attraction to girls in that age range, but he has a 70

One time on 8chan I wandered into this hebephile forum. I also wandered into the pedophile forum. I just wanted to see what these guys were like because I don’t have preferences like that at all as I’m just a run of the mill teleiophile. Both pages were disturbing.

The hebephiles were pure hebephiles. If anyone so much as dared to post a photo of a 16 year old girl, they screamed, “No grandmas!” Now you would think that is some kind of a joke, but it’s not. They were really like that. It was humorous but it was also disturbing to me and I was freaked out for a few days afterwards for some reason. Finally my head righted itself and I was ok.

If the American Psychiatric Association reclassifies hebephilia as a paraphilia, then as you stated in your article, they would have to tighten up the definition of it to specify that it would have to be an ongoing age preference like pedophilia that would shut that individual’s life off from any possibility of living happily ever after with the love of his life as she ages from an adolescent girl to a young adult woman to a middle-aged woman to an elderly woman.

I’ve known lots of men who first fell in love with their current wives when their wives were in middle school or high school, and these men were significantly older than them. Under your criteria, they wouldn’t qualify to be hebephiles.

I seriously doubt if any of those men were hebephiles. Hebephiles are not that common. Maybe 5

In terms of the former paragraph, that’s not a bad way of looking at it. A man with little to no attraction to females aged 16+ is going to have a hard time having a satisfactory relationship with a woman. And this could cause all sorts of issues in his life. Further, it sounds like a pretty maladaptive orientation, and if you act on your orientation, you might just go to jail or prison.

On the other hand, technically they would be hebephiles if they had a preference for 12-14 year old girls, even if they had a strong but less than maximum attraction to mature women. On the other hand, a guy with a preferential attraction to 12-14 year old girls and an 83

He can easily suppress or repress his slight antisocial preference for Lolitas (which I suspect most of them do), while his prosocial attraction to women is so strong that it’s more than enough to satisfy him. Sublimation is nothing new. People have been substituting prosocial drives for antisocial drives forever. But for sublimation, Churchill could have been Hitler.

I’m more worried about the hebephiles in that forum who have little to no attraction to females 16+. People like that, if they acted on their attraction, could cause a lot of problems for themselves by getting criminal charges and society itself by criminalizing them.