This… This is why I support Russia. I'm not under any illusions about Russia being perfect, or some sort of Utopia, but I believe in justice, and I have a feeling that at the end of this conflict, justice will be served to many of the perpetrators of this heinous crime.
Yes, justice is the word. This isn't about taking sides or being on the "right side of history" it's called a conscience and a visceral disgust at injustice.
This is exactly how I feel.Some people label me as rusofil or whatever. But I support them for the same reasons you do. I have no illusions that Russia is not angler or even close to it but it is at least muchhhhh better then the U.S.A which is fundumentaly evil -not everyone tho
That’s why we STAND WITH RUSSIA!!!! Those criminals must pay their due
— 🌒WhichOne’sRekt🌑 🇮🇹🤝🇷🇺 (@suburbiagesu)
You don’t have to support or even like Russia. That’s not the point. The point is that you need to oppose these Goddamned Nazis. And on that basis right there, it is reasonable to support Russia. That doesn’t mean you like Russia or even that Russia is a wonderful or even good country. But however bad Russia is, these Ukrainian Nazis are far worse. You don’t have to be for Russia. You just have to be against these damned Nazis.
Just as it was correct to support the USSR against the Axis in WW2, for the same reason, it is correct to support Russia now. Was Stalin some sort of a good guy? Was the USSR some wonderful place? You can make a lot of arguments against both claims.
Stalin was a killer. And he was killing people in WW2 also. Early in the war, just as the Germans were invading, the NKVD went into prisons in Western Ukraine and simply executed a lot of the political prisoners before they took off.
The USSR killed thousands when they took over the Baltic countries from Germany. Many more were sent to Siberia.
If you got in trouble in the army, you were put in a “penal battalion” which was right at the front lines and used to charge right into enemy lines. The death toll was high in this group.
And there are rumors that there were punishment battalions that executed Russian troops for retreating, though it couldn’t have been that common because the Soviets did a lot of retreating after Germany invaded.
Stalin removed whole ethnic groups and deported them to Siberia as traitors. Although some members of these ethnic groups did indeed support the Germans after they invaded, it’s uncertain whether most of them did. The deportation trains had little food or water and many died en route. Many more may have died in the camps. The Chechens, Ingush, and Crimean Tatars were all called traitors and the entire groups were deported to Siberia. 600,000 Chechens were deported, and 1/3 of them died. It’s pretty hard to justify most if not all of this behavior.
If I were a soldier I’d rather be imprisoned by Germans in WWII. I believe they generally treated military men better.
I’ve always seen going to a gulag or being sent to Siberia as depressing or hopeless. No Allies coming to rescue you either. I read an account where an American soldier captured by Germans, who treated him fairly, feared getting “rescued” by the Soviets.
History is one thing, the present is another.
Ukraine is an odd mix the worst conservative and liberal social values. Russians are the humane and sane ones today.
Russian soldiers were treated horribly by the Germans. I believe that 83% of them died in captivity. On the other end, the Soviets were much kinder to German POW’s, as only 13% of them died. So the death rate in the gulags for German soldiers was far lower than in Nazi concentration camps. The Germans thought that Americans were “of racially good stock,” so they treated them quite well. Remember M.A.S.H.?
Of course. M.A.S.H was a classic, especially the early episodes. I haven’t personally watched much of it but harcore fans showed me some scenes.
Russia is the sane but weaker one; NATO, US and Ukraine are the insane but stronger ones.
Result: Everyone supports Ukraine against their conscience.
Is this what we call ‘justice’?
Good point! You new here?