Excellent comment by the always great Francis Miville. I never believed the Commies about this line. Recall that the KPD (Communist Party of Germany) called the Social Democrats “social fascists in the 1920’s and 1930’s, but the more I see of “Democratic Party liberal” types in the US (and their more social democratic brethren in the Canadian and Australian Liberal Parties and the Labor Party of the UK), the more I am starting to think they are onto something.
I think it’s all down to capitalist imperialism. Once you become a capitalist imperialist country as all of the West is now, you will try to destroy every bit of communism, socialism, and even liberalism in the Third World.
Why? Because it’s bad for your corporations, which is what your state capitalist imperialism works for. All social democracies now work for their capitalist imperialist corporation which demand low wages and advantageous looting rights in the Third World. Social democracy refuses to make a full break with the corporations which undergirds itself, hence it will always be susceptible to supporting fascism over any threat to from the Left.
On the contrary, Russia, China, and a number of others are not capitalist-imperialist countries. The Russians and Chinese don’t care what kind of economic system you have. They figure they can make money and do all right under any economic system. Furthermore, Russia and China are both based on the socialist theory of solidarity instead of the capitalist theory of imperialism and exploitation.
Also both Russia and China are very much mixed economies. Most people don’t understand that the Russian government has at least a 49% stake in most all large Russian corporations. China is actually still a communist country that uses the market as a tool for the development of the productive forces versus as form of politics as it is in all of the West (even the “socialist” West).
China wants its capitalists to make widgets and do nothing but make widgets. It does not allow its capitalists to control its politics and it has banned them from its media. Shockingly, there are no capitalist or corporate lobbies in China. The capitalists can lobby the party all they want to, but it won’t do a lick of good. They’re not able to bribe the politicians via a US system of money-based elections (which will always be inherently undemocratic), so they have to follow the state and not bark orders at it as they do in the West.
The shitlibs are about the best we could expect any Left to be under US-style capitalism. American socialists have sucked forever. And the notion of “progressive at home, mass exploitation and fascism overseas” is indeed exactly the National Socialism that most Germans thought they were voting for. One could argue that such a “National Socialist” form of political economy is probably the natural and normal outcome under any capitalist-imperialist economy. It ought to be not a theory but a law of political economy. There doesn’t seem to be any way to not end up with this.
Francis Miville: Robert, you are disappointing me a little bit. Haven’t I told you that there hasn’t been any such thing in the US as a left-winger nor even as a humanistic liberal since 1980 and that these are extinct species like the Passenger Pigeon and the Californian Grizzly?
What you call a shitlib is what France up to not so long ago used to call a Muscadin: namely, a young extreme right-winger (named as such for the strong muscade scented-powder they sprayed their nose with all the time not to be infected by the commoners’ stench in the street) of the kind that abstained of one reactionary thing only, wishing for the return of the King, and even then, out of contempt for the common people among whom too many still had nostalgia for the King, and for the King himself who had been way too bleeding-hearted to deserve to have been so rich.
Likewise the only thing reactionary these American Muscadin abstain from is wishing for the Queen of England to take back over the US (though if Trump were to make a comeback, they would consider for their home state to join Canada).
These people are fascists pure and simple. Being in favour of impoverishing puppet dictatorships throughout the world that would guarantee the supply of raw materials and cheap-labour-made goods to their country and for progressive measures at home (and even then, conditionally, only for the “deserving” ones) was in essence the reason for most Nazi Germans to join the Nazi party. All they lack in the US is a Duce to identify with, a kind of Trump that would have hired them as the “best and brightest” instead of firing them.
On the Russian question the American shitlibs as you call them do espouse wholesale the official erstwhile Nazi doctrine regarding Slavs. Even when they are liberals fleeing Putin’s regime mostly in the hope of getting a better computer or scientific job than can be gotten by in Russia, Russians together with most Slavs remain racial inferiors never to be hired but at lower level assembly jobs in the Rust Belt where most of their racial brethren migrated and still live for the most part.
They are bears essentially. Putin’s accusation of Western ideology being Nazi and Ukraine being a country in need of denazification is 100% accurate. Actually that war with Russia is now relegitimizing racism as a honorable way of thought throughout all the ex-liberal West, with Gaia-worshipping toxic ecology doing the rest.
Up to now a kind of ideological Maginot line of Political Correctness defense bulwarks had been holding against full-brown fascistic ideologies. Now they have found in Ukraine (like they did using Belgium in 1940) a way to work around that line right into the capital. Once you have admitted at last that slave races do exist such as the Slavs and that the reason for them to support evil characters such as Putin are to be searched for in the DNA, your whole ideological Maginot Line is turned around and its defenders made into prisoners in record time.
All the strongholds of left-justified Political Correctness fall at once, with ecology doing the rest. Once you admit one aspect of racism to be legitimate, and one chapter of Nazis in Ukraine are doing a good job for the Jews, you are forced to admit the whole of racism as mainstream and Nazism as a globally positive ideology. I predict that within two years at most the US Democratic Party will have gone back full circle full Jim Crow: demons have been admitted in, and if you admit one regiment of them you admit them all: you will start thinking like a Nazi on every topic.
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