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Warning: Long, 69 pages.
Updated July 10, 10:01 PM
Please skip over the initial remarks as they are mostly me defending my group and responding to the various mudpies that get slung my way. If you wish to skip ahead, go to the Major Break in the Case and Possible Arrest Coming Soon header and start reading there.
First of all, in case you’ve been sleeping, you would know that this Delphi site is probably the most hated site of them all. There’s not much I can do about that, so I might as well just own it. There are literal bans on linking here in most of the Facebook groups. In some there are bans even on mentioning my name.
What’s hilarious about all of this is that, as a poster on the LibbyandAbby subreddit, tobor, noted in a recent post, we have released eight different facts that were known only to the police, as they had not been released publicly yet. He then listed these facts. We released most of these facts about a year before the police released them to the public.
Of course, we have also released many other statements that have not yet been corroborated by police, but so far we are the only sleuthing group with a known track record of releasing material known only to the police long before the police released it to the public. As we have case documents and actual police officers leaking to us, it makes sense that we would be on the ball. Bottom line is we are the only group with a track record. And everyone hates us and has a ban on linking to us. LOL! That’s just downright stupid.
Next I would like to take issue with a number of nasty comments making the rounds about me on the LibbyandAbby subreddit.
I don’t know who this person is or even whether it’s male or female or both or neither or whether that’s a scientific question anymore. They’re just a run of the mill hater.
RphWrites: You mean RL’s? He claims he has hundreds of paying members (200?) but…yeah. I know someone who coughed up the cash to access his private forum a couple of years ago ,and they said it was pretty quiet and that the people who did post sounded like him under sock puppets.
We have had over 250 people pay to join over the years, yes. However, I will admit that many are not active. The site got shut down for violating WordPress‘ TOS due to some incendiary comments I made about feminists (I really hate them), and that’s why we got shut down. I had not even read the TOS.
However, with the shutdown, many people went away. We came back up on our own free speech server that can never get shut down (they host The Daily Stormer LOL), but a lot of the old ones didn’t get the message that we opened back up. But quite a few trickled back in.
The private group can be quiet at times, however, there have been at least 10,000 and possibly many more comments on there over the years, so it’s not that quiet. However, I must say that I absolutely do not use socks when I post on there. These people paid real money to join my site, and I could not play them like that. It would be immoral.
Probably the worst poster is xanaxarita. With a name like that she ought to be a lot calmer than she is. She’s has Borderline Personality Disorder and she suffers from hysteroid tumors in her uterus which make her very unstable.
xanaxarita: The moderator here doesn’t allow posts that link to/contain info from Lindsay’s blog.
Lindsay has been permanently banned from Reddit.
OK, supposedly there are bans on linking directly to my website on the ridiculous grounds that somehow because I was banned from Reddit, therefore that means links to my site are also banned. Stupid, huh? I don’t think that’s even the case. She’s just looking for an excuse to ban linking to me because she hates my guts. Also she does allow information from my website, just not direct links.
But do you see what is happening again? We are the only Delphi group with a proven track record (see above). We’re the best Delphi sleuthing group of them all by far, yet everybody bans linking to us! That’s like closing the Library of Congress because it has too much stuff in it, or banning a group from baseball league because they keep winning the world series. It’s belligerent mediocrity or belligerent inferiority. That’s as bad as belligerent stupidity, something the Redditors have in abundance. If you’re mediocre, inferior, or mentally slow, fine, but don’t act belligerent about it.
Also xanaxarita has also falsely stated:
Robert Lindsey has publicly stated that [name redacted] is the murderer, and he further states that the police know it too and that he will eventually be arrested.
I have never named the man who we refer to as Mr. X. I haven’t named him one single time ever. I don’t do that. I believe people are innocent until proven guilty. In fact, I now use initials for all major players with a possible criminal or unsavory link. Exceptions are made for the currently incarcerated. Also it is only my opinion that Mr. X killed the girls, but my opinion is utterly irrelevant, and I have already said that if I were on the jury right now, I would vote to acquit Mr. X despite my opinion because a jury decides whether the state has proven its case or not.
A juror does not rule on whether he thinks the person is guilty or not. He rules on whether the state has proved it or not. And so far, we do not think they have, although that may change.a
I do not hold that the police “know” that Mr. X killed those girls. I believe that they are of the opinion that he killed them, but an opinion is one thing and a fact is another. Whatever I said in the past, my position at the moment is that it is a fact that Mr. X is LE’s main suspect in the Delphi Murders.
Also, I refuse to state for a fact that Mr. X will be arrested either soon or eventually. I have no idea if that is true or not. However, our police sources have informed us that police are very close to an arrest and as of now, it’s just a matter of time.
This woman xanaxarita is a monster. Most of the people on LibbyandAbby subreddit hate her too which is comforting to me and shows me I’m not alone. She so abrasive that she’s downright incendiary. If she were a male, I’d suggest malignant narcissism, but in a female, that defaults to Borderline Personality Disorder.
Adrvirtual9933: R Lindsay was permanently banned from Websleuths on his first day just a month or two after the murders. The guy is a nut job for sure.
This man is one those annoying pests who just sit there and shoot down everything that’s not been verified with duplicates and notarized by LE. And LE has told us just about zero. So these clowns shoot down everything anyone says as “unproven.” That’s not how detective work goes. Detectives don’t shoot down everything that’s “unproven.” If they did they would not solve many cases. Also, this person is extremely belligerent and just yells and fights with everyone all day long. Their other handle is “Ultra MAGA,” so he’s also a fascist with a truth allergy.
I was not been banned from Websleuths on the first day. Not that I would have minded because that has to be one of the most obnoxiously stupid websites I’ve ever posted on. No rumors allowed! You have to put MOO (My Opinion Only) on everything as if you are a cow! If you don’t, the hysterics all start screeching like seagulls. I would say it’s just a total waste of time except that it’s a most unpleasant waste of time, which is so much worse. The posters are very aggressive and spend most of their time battling like cocks in a cage. Posting on there is almost traumatic. Kind of like posting on Reddit.
Actually I lasted a few weeks. That site is absurd. No sleuthing is allowed! That’s literally one of their rules LOL. I’m sure they really solve a lot of crimes!
I was privy to a lot of rumors early on. Some of these described the crime as a sex crime, and there were some descriptions of the nature of this sex crime. The second source described the objects as sticks and twigs. I quoted from those rumors. In addition, there were many gruesome rumors floating around that dealt with various terrible things that supposedly had been done to these girls. I quoted from some of those rumors. It was for quoting from these sexual and gruesome rumors about the gruesome nature of these sex murders that I was banned!
Around this time, I was also banned from a number of Facebook groups for the very same thing. That’s what all the Facebook Delphi group bans are about. Really it should be an honor to get banned from most Facebook Delphi groups because they are about the most useless groups out there. Full of hysterical females shrieking at each other all the time. I’ve heard enough of that noise in my private life. Last thing I need is to heard when I’m relaxing on the Web.
If you think banning me was ok for reciting rumors of the sexual and gruesome nature of this crime, there’s not much I can say to you.
By the way, I take pride in my bans. I’m quite happy to be banned from Reddit because it’s hard to believe such an important corporation is run by pinheads with room temperature IQ’s. The people who run that place are SJW hysterics who understand neither science nor logic. My ban was ludicrous and absurd. I was banned for “promoting” a psychiatric disorder. How on Earth can you “promote” a medical disorder? Can you “promote” schizophrenia? Bipolar disorder? GAD? OCD? It’s absurd.
But if it wasn’t that, it would have been something else. I was already getting banned from most of the subreddits I was posting on for this or that violation of PC BS.
On sites like the LibbyandAbby subreddit, the women are hysterical shrews, and the men are incendiary vipers. If you look in the comments of these rabid critters, every comment is them screaming at someone for something or other. This is the equivalent of, for the women, going out into public and walking up to everyone you see and shrieking at them and slapping them in the face. For the men, it’s the same exact you yell at them and punch them in the face.
I would like to take issue with a LibbyandAbby poster, an execrable “man” named PrestoMagic who paid to come into our group and then turned on us and is bashing us on Reddit. “He” stated:
Lindsay says he never said Mr. “Someone” was Mr. X. This is not true! He has named him repeatedly.
Problem here is that we had two Mr. X’s. The first was a man named Mr. A, who, while a horrible person, most probably had nothing to do with the murders. However, he issued many false confessions and released a number of videos more or less confessing to the crimes, so perhaps you can give us a break for jumping the gun.
He’s still a suspicious person, but we have no good, hard evidence of his involvement. We never released this man’s name one single time in years. Sure, we talked about him in our private group, but that was all indoors, and no one could hear us. I’m pretty sure you can say anything you want about anyone behind the doors of your home where no one can hear.
More recently, we reported a new suspect as Mr. X. We will even not give him initials, but most have figured out who he is. And once again, we have never named this man even one single time. We don’t usually give names to major suspects. That’s up to the police to do. Also, we believe in protecting the innocent, and everyone is innocent until charged.
He also charged that we have made up a story about Mr. X living in the Evansdale area at the time of the Evansdale murders. He says we have no evidence of that.
But we have no evidence or proof of anything!
We have search party member interviews. We will not name these people, so that’s not evidence or proof. We have official case documents. We will not post those, so that’s not evidence or proof. We have statements from police sources who leak to us from time to time. We will not reveal who those people are, so that’s not evidence. We do have crime scene photos, and that’s evidence, but no one believes those are real. So even when we post evidence, no one believes us anyway, which makes us wonder why we even should.
Beyond that, we have unverified rumors and our own speculation and theories, which are obviously not evidence, as we never said they were. You either believe us or you don’t.
Our information that Mr. X was residing in Waterloo, Iowa at the time of the Evansdale Murders came to us directly from one of our police sources. So we think it’s pretty good info. Furthermore, we have just gained even more confirmatory evidence that Mr. X was living in the area at the time of those murders. See below for more on that.
Major Break in the Case and Possible Arrest Coming Soon
I rarely credit the Reddit or Facebook Delphi groups with much of anything. They are terrible sleuths except for a smattering few like Tobor or DDcups on one Reddit group. Also unlike most of the manginas on that group, DDcups is a real man. Most of the others are sissies and wusses.
The posters there believe in the “I support the current thing” mindset. Whoever is the “suspect du jour” is obviously the one who did it! Unfortunately, detective work doesn’t go like that.
The suspect du jour is likely to be innocent, and the only important suspect is the one who did it, which may be the one looked at five years ago, or yesterday, or today, or tomorrow, or five years from now. The topical nature of the suspect has nothing to do with their innocence or guilt.
First we had Daniel Nations. Sigh.
Then we had James Chadwell. Sigh.
Recently we have the Kleins, Kegan and Tony. Double sigh.
And even more recently, we have Ron Logan. RIP, sigh.
And there have been so many others in between. These were just the names that were released to the press or were named in some official document. Neither being mentioned by the investigation nor being named in some official document means the slightest thing regarding evidence of guilt. We know this because we are good sleuths. We also believe in the wisdom of crowds, and we have 250 members in our group. Keep in mind that we have retired LE homicide detectives working directly with us.
There are many belligerent and hysterical posters on social media. Most refuse to believe in science and instead trust whatever moral panic or mass hysteria happens to be going around at the moment. That describes 95% of the population nowadays, but I’d like to think that crime sleuths would be above that, as detective work is actually a science. For the record, we do not allow anti-scientific language or POV’s on our private group or in the comments section. We are a science-based website.
What really bothers us is that so many posters are hostile, overemotional screamers who never seem to be right about anything. If you are going to be wrong, that’s fine. But to be belligerently, aggressively, menacingly, threateningly wrong as the social media sleuths are takes some real doing, but we see this in the groups all the time.
That’s sad because all it does is turn the debate into a lynch mob. This lynch mob mindset discourages participation, and the mobsters have already been shown to be false, as a number of the most shouted-down theories on those venues have later turned out to be true when LE released information later.
The names du jour are Ron Logan and Tony and Kegan Kline.
Ron Logan was cleared a few years ago.
Tony Kline has never been interviewed by the police a single time. I’m sure he must be the top suspect!
The only thing we have ever heard about Kegan Kline is that he’s only involved as far as distribution of a hypothetical snuff film that was made of the murders and then sold on the Internet. In his interrogation, police repeatedly say that they know he didn’t do it but that they think he knows who did. That shows right there that they don’t think he did it.
Turning either of the Klines into BG requires the massive placement of square pegs into round holes that these Reddit cranks and hysterics excel at. Just based on their heights and weights (6’3 and 275 pounds!), neither man could be the man on the bridge. Neither can be placed at the bridge on that day or for that matter on any other day. There’s no evidence that either man had ever been to the bridge a single time or even knew it existed. Kegan had maybe been to Delphi once in the last five years for a football game. They do live fairly close, but that means nothing.
I guess it’s better than Daniel Nations though, who could never be placed any closer than 50 miles from Delphi. But I’m sure he still really did it!
Even a blind squirrel catches a nut now and then, and one rumor tossed out recently on the Reddit groups appears to be true. There was a rumor of a major break in the case and that an arrest may be pending. This could be related to the moving of the investigation to the former CPS building near the crime scene. We believe there is a break coming and that moving the site to the new place is in fact related to the break.
We recently spoke to our police sources. Keep in mind that when I say we, I refer to any one of our 250 members. We had not spoken to our best source in five months, and the last time we talked, it was very hard to get information out of her. However, we were finally able to catch up to her again. Although she speaks in riddles and this time barely gave us any information at all, this is how we deciphered her brief cryptic comments:
- They are a breath away from an arrest in the case. From now on it’s just a matter of time.
- The Kline drama has been a miraculous tool.
- The person who was the focus in the beginning is now the main player.
The source stated that she can’t or won’t say anything more than that.
So there we have three very nice leaks.
The first is that the team feels that they are close (“a breath away”) from an arrest in the case, and that from now on, it’s “only a matter of time” before that happens.
The second is that the Kline drama has been a miraculous tool in breaking the case open. We do not know how the Kline mess broke the case open, as our police sources have never mentioned Kegan’s name even one time. I’m really doubting if he’s a suspect in this crime if our police sources never mentioned him. And we don’t even know what what the Kline drama is even about in the first place. All we have are unverified rumors tying him to the possible distribution of a hypothetical snuff film of the murders.
The third is that the person who was the focus in the beginning is now the main player. This is an interesting comment, and the people on the wrong trails with the wrong guys on Reddit and Facebook are welcome to take this ball and run with it down whichever dead ends it leads them to, filling in any names they wish who were or were not mentioned early on. Let your overripe, concrete imaginations run wild!
However, the only suspect our police sources have talked about is Mr. X. Two separate police sources told us that he was the major suspect, including the source above. This source also told us that Mr. X has been the main suspect since very early on in the case.
So for us the person who was the suspect in the beginning means Mr. X.
And if they are now the main player, that means that Mr. X is the main suspect or player.
The wording is peculiar. The main player seems to imply that there was more than one person involved either directly or peripherally in the case. This source also told us earlier:
The theory that of more than one killer is still in the ballpark and has been since the first day of the investigation.
Contents of Delphi Murders Autopsy Report Revealed
One of our sources told us they had seen the autopsy report and leaked some of the information on it. His story about how he accessed the information in the autopsy has been challenged, so we are not sure where he got the information. I would urge you to take this with a grain of salt though, as this source has been be problematic at times in the past. However, as a general picture, it looks pretty good and jibes with what we had heard before.
The wording below was given to us by our source, and please note that any spelling errors are his, as I just copied his words. Also I think the source was summarizing the report instead of giving the exact wording, so that is why the language may not appear official. The text he gave me contained two spelling errors noted below which I did not notice. One word I had never heard of before, and I didn’t know the other word was misspelled, as I don’t use it much. In addition, note that the wording in brackets is my own:
[One girl died from] aortic transection causing exsanguination, asphyxia from hemorrhage, and several sharp force injuries. There was scant water in her lungs.
[Another girl died from] blunt force and sharp force injuries and possibly environmental causes too.
Time of death: 3:30
From this, we translate as follows:
A girl died from aortic transaction causing exsanguination, asphyxia from hemorrhage = a knife to the heart or to the aortic artery, but how does that fit in with reports that this girl was killed by a single grievous strike to the throat with a bladed weapon? A slit throat or cut throat? We know that one girl had her throat cut very badly, apparently by a single blow with a sword or machete.
I know this because I spoke to the girl’s mother who had seen the girl’s body postmortem. The mother was the one who tied the orange scarf around the girl’s neck that can be seen in photos of the funeral. The mother was breaking up and crying when she told me. It was sad as Hell.
Several sharp force injuries = We believe this girl had numerous cuts in her body with a knife. Sticks and twigs had been stuck in these cuts.
There was scant water in the lungs = We do not know the significance of this language.
The other girl died from blunt force and sharp force injuries = We believe this girl was struck on the head by a blunt object, knocking her out. She was probably out cold after that, but she was definitely still alive. This object was probably a gun butt. She also had several knife wounds in her body in which twigs and sticks had been placed.
We have been ripped to a thousand pieces over reports of sticks being placed in these girls’ bodies, however, the report of numerous shallow knife cuts in their bodies in which sticks and twigs were placed comes to us straight from a close contact of one of the police officers working on the investigation, so we believe it is fact.
Possibly environmental causes too = We believe that this refers to this girl’s body still being warm when found, which means that she died only a few hours before she was found, hence she may have passed at ~9 AM on February 14. She must have been out either all night or part of the night. If so, exposure contributed to her death. That she almost survived the attack upon discovery has to be one of the saddest things I’ve heard about this case.
Time of death: 3:30. This seemed to refer to February 13 in the PM although no date or half of the day was given, and it must only refer to the first girl. There is a serious problem with this 3:30 PM February 13 death time. It seems accurate for one girl but it is known that the other guy survived into the next day as her body was still warm when found. So the time given cannot possibly be true for both girls.
The other girl may well have been attacked on this time and date, but we are certain that she did not die then. Instead, she probably died ~9 AM on February 14. Hence the wild controversy about the different dates given in autopsies – February 13 for one girl and February 14 for another – widely derided as meaningless, in fact states the truth about the case, that the girls did indeed die on different dates. We believe the mother of the girl who died on the 14th has even confirmed this.
On the other hand, we really question whether the girl who almost survived the attack when discovered sat out there for 18 hours from 3:30 PM to 9:30 AM the next day. This stretches credulity, but perhaps this is what occurred.
Now that we have the 3:30 PM February 13 time of death on the autopsy report, we have had to revise our theories about the crime. We no longer believe that the girls were taken away from the scene to be brought back and killed later at 2 AM on February 14, although perhaps this is what occurred. As far as this girl goes, we are not sure if she was attacked at the same time as the other girl or if she was brought back later to be killed. As far as bringing her back to be killed, there are serious problems with that theory.
One reason we thought she was brought back later was because two search party members, both men, said they had searched the crime scene the night of February 13, and they said the bodies were not there. However, Mr. X was also conveniently searching that very same area. We believe he may have been steering the other two men away from the bodies if they were there.
There is also a report of heat-seeking drone being used in the search of the girls that night. This drone is said to have flown over the crime scene. It is very hard to explain how this drone would not have seen the bodies that evening. This is one reason we were certain that the girls had to have been removed and brought back later. However, now we are not so sure.
There is now a report that there was no drone that night. There was supposed to be one, but one never showed up. If this is true, then it easily explains why the drone did not pick up the girls – there was no drone.
In addition, Ron Logan describing the crime scene as “pristine” was also given as a reason that the murders did not happen at the crime scene. Instead they must have happened somewhere else. If they were killed at the scene, the crime scene would not be pristine, hence the crime scene was only a dump site. However, possibly the crime scene may only have been pristine because all of the blood and other evidence had been combed up by the crime scene techs.
In the Reddit group, a number of people were interpreting the Ron Logan search warrant to mean that there was a kill site and a dump site. The crime scene was referred to as the dump site. The reason for this was the statement in the warrant that the girls were moved. I looked through that warrant and could find no references to separate kill sites and dump sites. All it said was that the girls had been moved after death, but perhaps they had only been moved a short distance. We have no idea how or from where these girls bodies were moved.
There is another problem with the “removed from the scene” theory. This theory attempts to account for two searchers who swore they searched the crime scene area and the null finding from the heat-seeking drone. If the girls were removed, the crime scene would have been empty and and drone finding makes sense.
But what about the bizarre crime scene with all of the props that we have described so many times? If the bodies were gone, the searchers would have seen the weird crime scene because we know that was set up a day or two earlier. Obviously they didn’t find that. So the bodies, or at least one body, must have been there along with the weird props, with Mr. X possibly steering the searchers away from the crime scene to keep it from being discovered.
Otherwise we have to posit both girls being removed (one apparently while dead) and the freaky crime scene being set up after the men had searched the area, that is, after 7 PM that night. But the men who set up the scene thought they were only setting up a scary prank for a girl. Now they have to come back in the evening of the 13th or early morning of the 14th and set up the weird crime scene. With flashlights I guess? And no one sees them? While the girls have both been reported missing?
This would place them right smack in the middle of the murder plot. None of this makes sense. In addition, the staging, posing, weird props, etc. are a lot easier to set up in the daytime than they are at night with flashlights. Keep in mind that the whole crime scene was doused in toilet bowl cleaner. How do you do that at night with flashlights? Doesn’t sound very practical.
In order to place the three men in the murder plot, we have to come up with some odd notions. Mr. CP, a member of the extended family, was very close to one of the victims. In fact, the victim saw him as her hero. This guy gets in on a plot to murder his own relative to whom he is very close? We agree that this guy is no good, but he’s mostly a womanizing drunk with a taste for teenage girls. That’s a bunch of nothing. Not exactly Ted Bundy. We don’t think he had it in him to kill his own relative.
The other possible member of this group may be a former police officer, Mr. B. He also seems like a bit of a tool, and he was soon fired from his job shortly after the crime. They turned his apartment upside down searching it. Granted, he’s a doofus and a screw-up, but we don’t think he had it in him either to murder two teenage girls.
The third member of this group is Mr. BJ, still a boy at 17. It’s also been theorized that he may have been Mr. X’s accomplice. Granted he is quite close to Mr. X. But what little we have learned about this young man gives no indication of the capability of committing such an act. We don’t think he has it in him to do this. Still, his role in the crime is still uncertain. Our police source described him as “the catfish boy” and said police were uncertain if he played a larger role. But wait. I thought Anthony Shots was the catfish boy? This aspect of the case is quite confused.
All three of these guys are capable of setting up a scary prank to scare a girl, sure. A gruesome sexual homicide of two sweet young teens? Forget it.
There are other problems with the “brought back later” theory. One girl was already dead. Was she carted away and then brought back in the middle of the night? How exactly? She weighed 200 pounds. Who would carry her to the crime scene in treacherous terrain in the middle of the night? A person of that size is hard to carry.
If there was indeed a drone that evening, we simply have no answer to the question of why it did not find the bodies. It’s just another mystery in the case.
Information from Our New Member as a Result of a Four Year Investigation Including Many Trips to Delphi and Interviews with Locals
We have recently received some information that there may have been an accomplice in the case. They also provided us with much new information. This comes from a new member of our group who conducted a very deep investigation into the case over four years, including many trips to Delphi to interview locals.
We mentioned earlier that at the core of the case was a pregnant girl, one of the victims. That a girl was pregnant comes to us from two separate police sources. She had been impregnated by a 20 year old man, possibly at one of the bonfire parties she attended. The man and his friends had been pressuring the girl to get an abortion, but the girl was refusing to get one. According to our police source, this is heart of the case. She specifically referenced an Internet conversation between Cody Patty and Michael Brevard discussing so-called song lyrics (which were nothing of the kind) as being “the key to the whole crime.”
We have just now learned the name of the 20 year old man. We will call him Mr. M. We also have photographs of him and some biographical information. He is a local. Curiously, he is not a suspect in the crime! More on that below.
We stated earlier that a deceased police officer, Nate Miller, provided the alibi for Mr. X in this crime. The alibi placed Mr. X in another town at the time of the crime. We believe that police thought that Miller was lying about the alibi, but they were unable to crack it.
We have finally learned why Miller provided the apparent fake alibi for Mr. X. Turns out that Miller is a relative of Mr. M. and Mr. M was the father of the fetus that the girl refused to abort, which was in part a motive for the crime, hence Nate was covering for his relative.
However, Mr. M is not a suspect! It also turns out that Mr. M was arrested eight months after the crime and charged with statutory rape for having sex with another 14 year old girl.
Sadly, Mr. M, a heterosexual, had been the victim of homosexual statutory rape in his early teens via a man in his 40’s who lived across the street, Mr. C. This man is a convicted child molester who spent time in prison. He is bisexual and had sex with both boys and girls from approximately 9-14. This man is now in a management position and Indiana Packers.
I’m not sure where that puts him on the age preference scale, perhaps a pedohebephile. This may also be the age orientation of Mr. X.
Gay men having sex with heterosexual teenage boys often causes harm to these boys simply because they are straight, and the gay sex traumatizes them. Curiously, gay teenage boys show zero effects from noncoercive sex with adult gay men, and in fact, typically describe it as positive. One-third of gay teenage boys are in a relationship with an adult gay man at any time.
The community is protective of them, the counselors the boys visit never turn them in, and the boys rarely if ever turn the men in. The chicken hawk pederast motif is straight-up part of gay male culture since Antiquity. Further, 70% of gay men who were molested as boys by gay men say they liked it! If it was noncoercive, they liked it, but if it was coercive, they didn’t. Also pre-gay boys engage in a huge amount of gay childhood sex play with male siblings, cousins, and friends even before puberty. They report zero harm from this behavior. Gay men in general are wildly hypersexed, and apparently gay boys are no different.
Hi PrestoMagic. Stirring the pot.
Mr. M was a troubled teen at the time, which may be why Mr. C preyed on him. Recently, Mr. M and Mr. C had become quite close, and we think that the Mr. C was trying to get Mr. M to be a seduction partner for him; in other words, Mr. M, being young, could get young people (probably females) so Mr. C could have sex with them.
We have just been accused on the snakepit called AbbyandLibby subreddit of accusing LM, or Logan Maxwell, of impregnating the female victim. The Mr. M we are discussing here is not Logan Maxwell. Logan Maxwell did not impregnate the female victim in this crime.
A Local Sex Trafficking Ring and a Possible Link to the Case
One theme that kept coming up over and over in the investigation was sex trafficking. This dates back to the early stages of the investigation when the female FBI agent put in charge of the case had a background specializing in sex trafficking. This made no sense for a long time, as we could not see any sex trafficking in this crime, but perhaps we were wrong. Now it may be starting to make sense.
In fact, our latest theory is that sex trafficking may have something to do with this case.
There is a video on YouTube by an escort that describes a local sex club. One prominent member is a former jurist, Mr. F. His name kept getting tossed around in this case, but we never paid attention to it as it never seemed to be relevant. But maybe we were wrong.
Our investigation revealed that we believe this sex club was actually a full-blown sex trafficking organization. Mr. F appears to be the leader.
Mr. H., whose name has been tossed around a lot as a suspect, is also a member, and he is seen as the “muscle” for the group. I’m not aware that Mr. H has a criminal record, but he seems like a shady individual. He acted like the murders were unimportant and annoying, but someone close to him was extremely close to one of the girls. On the anniversaries of the murders, he posted creepy memes with hearts and blood. He seems very callous and creepy in general and in particular about the case.
His son J. played an important peripheral and noncriminal role in the case. A punk kid at the time, he took after his father. He also posted callous comments on social media about the murders. He went in the Marines and I guess they kicked his butt into shape because he’s now married to a young woman, has a young child, and seems to have calmed down and even turned into a decent person.
Mr. H. is a White Supremacist Odinist. He hates non-Whites. He leads and Odinist group of local White Supremacists. Gabe Ellis, the main suspect in the murder of Karenna McClerkin, is also a member of this Odinist group. Ellis has also been a top Delphi suspect for many because he’s a horrible person. Nevertheless, we do not believe he is involved in the Delphi case. But he was one of two major competing drug dealers who controlled the local methamphetamine trade for the last 10-15 years. More about this below.
Mr. H is also a misogynist who hates women, apparently due to a savage divorce. He is apparently a practicing Satanist. He was formerly in the service overseas in Afghanistan and may have PTSD. Mr. H was also spending the weekend at Ron Logan’s house after a fight with his girlfriend.
I must point out that although many people have tossed this guy’s name out there as the killer, we investigated him very deeply, and we do not believe he was involved. His alibi of being at the gym at the time of the murders appears to check out.
The following persons at minimum are known members of this “club”:
- Mr. F, the apparent leader.
- Mr. M, the father of the girl’s fetus.
- Mr. X, the main suspect in the Delphi Murders.
- Mr. H, the “muscle.”
- James Chadwell, a local arrested and convicted for the rape and attempted murder of a nine year old girl.
We have no evidence that Mr. M, Mr. H, or James Chadwell played any role in the crime. We are uncertain whether Mr. F was involved in this crime, and at the moment there is no good evidence linking him to it. However, we would regard Mr. H and Mr. F as suspicious.
No doubt there are other members of this club, but we don’t know of any.
The club appears to have specialized in the literal sex trafficking of girls and young women aged 13-20. Club members typically preyed on runaways. They would drug them or get them hooked on drugs or somehow get them into their club, and then they would imprison them in locked rooms in guarded houses from which they could not escape.
This is literal sex trafficking. It means a literal sex slave who cannot escape from her pimp. If she can walk away, she’s not being trafficked.
The club members then passed these young females around amongst themselves.
We don’t know if the girls were prostituted out, however, we believe that the girls were used in the production of pornographic movies for sale. The movies with 13-17 year old girls in the club would be legally child porn. Possibly porn with 13-17 year old minor girls goes for a premium on the market. I have no idea about that. Typically 15-17 year old girls in porn movies are not distinguishable from an 18 year old woman (check out the Tracy Lords case), hence these movies are hard to spot in the first place. 13-14 year old girls are typically a lot more obvious.
We don’t know what crimes which members of the groups were committing.
Clearly whoever was in charge of the trafficking and imprisonment of these young women is guilty of Sex Trafficking.
Obviously sex with the 13-15 year old girls was Statutory Rape.
I’m not sure what the sex with the 16-20 year old girls could be classed as, and I’m not even sure it’s a crime. Is there a crime called “Having Sex with a Female Who Is Being Sex Trafficked?” I’m not aware of one.
Whoever was responsible for the filming and distributing of the CP would be guilty of Production and Distribution of Child Pornography.
As I noted, Mr. F is a former justice of the peace. He was regarded as corrupt when he was in that position. He gave his friends lighter sentences, which appears to be an ethical violation from which a disciplinary board could have disciplined him.
He was close to Mr. M. At age 16, Mr. M got a drunk driving arrest, and Mr. F let him off with a slap on the wrist because he knew him. Mr. M later shows up as a member of the sex club.
As you can see, Mr. X, the main suspect, and Mr. M, the father of the fetus at the heart of the case, are connected via membership in the sex club.
Mr. F is looking like a malign character. As a jurisprudent, he saw many young girls for all sorts of reasons in his court. This is not unusual. However, he often befriended them, took them places, etc. Although this sounds frightening, we felt that he simply befriended them in a fatherly way and there was nothing sexual about it whatsoever. That’s still legal. The sex fascists haven’t gotten around to banning it yet, but don’t worry, they’re working on it!
Anyway, this early friendship was not so innocent because he used it to groom (I hate the abuse of this verb nowadays, but it seems appropriate) these girls, as when they got to be teens, he used his early friendships with them to steer them into his sex club in order to be trafficked. Recall that the call girl said she had known Mr. F since she was 9.
We are starting to think that this man is quite dangerous.
In addition, we are starting to think that this sex trafficking group was also deeply involved in the meth trade which is omnipresent in the area.
There may also be some important and high-level locals in this club, so we may be looking at a Jeffrey Epstein scenario.
After the organization was done with the girls, they would discard them or “get rid of them,” as our member told us. This involved shipping them out of state, presumably to be trafficked somewhere else. This is starting to get into real across-borders sex trafficking of moving women from state to state for sexual purposes.
A Region Awash in Methamphetamine Drug Dealing
Swirling around in the background of everything we learned about this case is a huge amount of drug dealing, specifically methamphetamine dealing. Once you start researching criminal activity in this locale, you stumble upon this drug dealing which seems to be in the background of everything bad that goes on over there.
In this case, the main drug traffickers were Gabe Ellis (noted above) and two men named Palladino, a father and son or the Palladino family. Ellis is definitely bad news and we think he is a murderer. The Palladino family seem to be extremely dangerous.There is a deep and profound rivalry between the Ellis and Palladino family organizations that is menacing and possibly murderous. You don’t want to get involved in this feud.
In addition, while researching this crime, we ended up deep in the Garrett Kirts case. We think the cops did not learn the whole story in this case. In particular, and we believe that Kirts and his girlfriend are guilty of another homicide, that of a gay man who they used for money and shelter. We believe that the story that Kirts killed this gay man while having sex with him is false. Instead, Kirts and gang befriended this man because he is very nice – too nice.
They took advantage of him and got him to let them stay there and use it to cook up meth. While this was ongoing, they stole his TV set, a number of other items, and most of his money. We don’t know whether the man confronted them about this, but he may have. He was then murdered simply to keep him from going to the police over the crimes they had committed against him. We don’t know why Kirts is using the gay sex line because he’s very much heterosexual.
In addition, the Ellis versus P family feud ties in with Derrick German, Libby German’s biological father. He was a major meth dealer in the area. He was first arrested for stealing farm chemicals from local farmers. These chemicals are used to manufacture meth. He got arrested and for a lower sentence, he ratted out a large part of one of these drug trafficking groups.
There was a major bust in Lafayette a few years back, and 150 people were rolled up on meth charges. Most if not all of these arrests were due to information obtained from Derrick German. Derrick was working for one of the gangs, as he was a big dealer himself. However, after he turned state’s evidence, he had a falling out with this group and went to work for the rival group. However, he may now be on the outs with them too.
Derrick has become a recluse who almost never leaves his house. He has also not commented on the case at all, saying that no matter what he says, it will somehow be twisted against him. No reason has been given for his seclusion. However, we believe that one or both of these trafficking groups has threatened to kill him as a result cooperating with the police or other reasons. So he’s staying inside to keep from getting a bullet in the head.
Theories about drug trafficking have been rife in this case, and a theory that the girls were killed as some sort of a payback for Derrick working with the police is a common one. However, Derrick plays no role in the crime in any way, and there does not seem to be any drug connection to the murders.
The Motive for the Murders?
As far as the motive for the case, Mr. X was very close to Mr. M, the father of the fetus. In fact, they were both members of this sex club. Perhaps this was a motivation for him helping his friend to be rid of this problem girl. However, Mr. M is not a suspect, so he did not hire or convince Mr. X to commit this crime. But we have established a close connection between them, which is excellent for our theory.
Two Concurrent Plots – A Murder Plot and a Prank Plot, Layered on Top of Each Other
But is wanting to help a friend out of a pregnant minor bind reason enough to commit such a horrendous crime? It doesn’t seem to add up. We also think that both girls were targeted as we believe Mr. X may have committed the Evansdale Murders and the Delphi crimes were tied into that in a creepy way.
Evansdale involved the abduction and murder of two girls in a crowded park in the middle of the day. In addition, the dates of the two crimes are precise mirrors of each other, which is almost impossible to be a coincidence. The girls were abducted deliberately at 2:13 on February 13 or 2:13. We also have 2 girls killed on the 13th and 2 girls killed, both around 13 years old.
It seems obvious that if the same man is the author of both crimes, Delphi was meant to be a reenactment of Evansdale. If this is so, then the killer obviously plotted to kill two girls at once as was done in Evansdale.
The Prank Plot
Instead we feel that three of Mr. M’s friends, Mr. J, Mr. CP, and another man, possibly Mr. B, decided to set up a “prank” to lure the girl out to the site in order to frighten or terrorize her into getting an abortion. This is the reason for all of the creepy objects at the scene which we have described in other posts.
These three men are:
Mr. CP, a member of the extended family of one of the girls. Age 27.
Mr. BJ, a person close to Mr. X. Age 17.
Mr. B, a former police officer. Age 35. His role in setting up the prank is only suspected and not confirmed.
We believe that these three young men, all very close to Mr. M, concocted this plot, possibly with the assistance of Mr. M. It’s uncertain that this prank, even if carried out, would have been a crime. I doubt if it’s illegal to scare someone. People scare each other all the time, and people rarely go to jail for it. At any rate, the prank never even occurred as it was pre-empted by a murder plot.
So no one even scared any girl. Some men plotted to scare a girl, but the prank never even happened. It’s hard to see how it’s against the law to do something that never happened. These men do not appear to be guilty of any crime.
We do not know if they worked together with Mr. M on this prank, but they may have done so. But even if so, Mr. M is not guilty of a crime either.
We believe that these three young men set up this creepy prank at the crime scene the day before the crime. We think there was also a plot to lure a girl to the crime scene and men would meet her there and scare her into getting an abortion. This may have been set to go down at just about the time that the actual crime went down.
The Murder Plot Set to Run Concurrently
However, it may have been pre-empted by the killer, who learned of this prank and layered his murder plot on top of it in part to confuse everyone also to set up three young men for the fall. Obviously if these men set up a creepy prank in the woods to scare a girl and the girl ends up dead, the people who appeared to set up the crime beforehand would be prime suspects. Would you talk? I sure wouldn’t.
The three men and the father may indeed have been stunned and freaked out that the girls were murdered instead of pranked. And no doubt they aren’t saying a word to the police. Who in their right mind would? You’d be almost confessing to a murder. On the other hand, we do not believe that the three men knew about the murder plot scheduled to run concurrently with and pre-empting the prank. They probably have no idea who the killer is as they were kept out of the loop of that plot.
We believe that the killer found out about the prank plot and layered a second plot, a murder plot, on top of it to confuse everyone and set up three men for the fall.
Motive: A Sex Trafficking Link?
We are still not sure of the motive for the killer. To help a friend get rid of a seriously problematic girl? Sure, but is that motivation enough for a gruesome homicide. We are not so sure.
Instead, we feel that this is where the sex trafficking came in.
Our theory runs something like this: Suppose Mr. M was pressuring the girl to get an abortion and she was resisting. Eventually the girl gets tired of him pressuring her and says, “If you don’t stop bothering me, I’m going to blow the whistle on that creepy little illegal “club” of yours!” Mr. M goes back to the club and reports this to members. Then he walks away. Members if this sex trafficking club, including obviously Mr. X and possibly powerful locals, decide that this girl is a great big problem that needs to go away. We are not averse to a theory that sees high levels of this organization involved in the decision to rid themselves of this problem girl.
Hence a plot is hatched with one or more club members. Perhaps Mr. X volunteers to do the job. Perhaps other club members think Mr. X did Evansdale and think he’s just the man for the job. Perhaps they think he did Evansdale and they use this to blackmail him into taking the job, although he doesn’t seem to be the type who would need to be blackmailed into a homicide.
At any rate, the motive goes from “shutting down a girl who refused to get an abortion” to “shutting up a girl who was going to squeal on a sex trafficking organization. If this organization was busted, possibly some very powerful locals could be looking at prison time.
Statutory rape is one thing, but running a sex trafficking organization is a whole other ball of wax. The first is hardly worth killing over; the second would be grounds for a classic homicide to shut up someone threatening to go to the cops. We think “shutting up a girl who threatened to squeal on a sex trafficking organization” seems a more likely motive than eliminating a pregnant teenage girl impregnated by an adult man.
Statutory rape of a 14 year old girl by a 20 year old man barely even seems like a crime, mostly because they are so close in age. That said, I have no idea what the sentence would be for a 20 year old man and a 14 year old girl these days. Anyway, I still doubt if a 20 year old man gets 5-10 years for banging a 14 year old girl. He might get a lesser sentence than that, probably less than five years.
But if the sex trafficking group was taken down, a lot of possibly powerful people could see their lives and careers shot to Hell for all of time.
The Possibility of an Accomplice to Mr. X
Our member who conducted this four year investigation has concluded that Mr. X had an accomplice who helped him carry out this crime. We do not know if this is the case, but it is surely a possibility. Our police source was clear about this. She told us,
“The theory of two killers is still in the ballpark and has been since the first day of the investigation.”
Why did this theory show up on the first day of the investigation? What did they discover early on that made them suspect such a thing? Jumping to two killers so early in a case is odd. We have no answer to this question. Why has the theory lasted this long? Our source also told us:
The possibility of two killers was not brought up early on because police felt that the town was freaked out enough with the idea of one killer and throwing two killers out there would cause mass hysteria. The possible accomplice is much younger than Mr. X and is much more likely to run, so his possible involvement was left out for fear he might take off.
Our member feels that he has spotted the possible accomplice. This man’s name is Mr. Z. Mr. Z is 35 years old. He was 31 at the time of the crime. Keep in mind that this makes him almost exactly between ages 18-40. Old BG was intended to be a drawing of BG, the man on the bridge, but the witnesses could only see the top of his face, so it is a bad composite. We believe that Mr. Z is a suspect for being Young BG. Young BG was spotted at the south end of the bridge by a lady who chased him off her property. She described him as having dark and evil eyes.
To say he is a suspicious character is an understatement. Our member spent a very long time investigating this man.
First of all we should note that we believe that this man has been a very deep focus of the investigation, but they have kept his name out of lights, possibly for the reasons given by our police source above. For instance, we believe that he has recently been given his 6th or 7th lie detector test. They keep coming back “inconclusive.” But Mr. X’s test came back that way too, as did Tobe Lozenby’s.
We believe that this man is a suspect in the crime surpassed only by Mr. X, the main suspect. If Mr. X is the main suspect, then Mr. Z must definitely be a suspect who is surpassed only by Mr. X. Police have been looking at this man very closely for a long time now.
First of all, this man is a social media publicity hound who has inserted himself into the case in a dramatic way. Of course a lot of folks have done that, including supposedly yours truly. But his insertion seems more than bizarre. He uploads Youtube videos all the time and has quite a presence on other websites, where he is an expert on ADHD, among other things.
Suspiciously, he uploaded a video of himself flying a drone over the bridge the day before the murders. He was mapping it for Google as he was working for Google at the time. However, we feel that he may have been mapping out the crime scene for a crime that he and Mr. X were planning to commit the next day.
Mr. Z is extremely intelligent with an IQ of probably over 140, or genius level. Genius IQ’s are not so special as 3.3 million people in the US are this intelligent. However, they are still the top 1% of the population. After studying him for some time, we feel he is capable of being a criminal mastermind. Mr. X may have an IQ of 100, but he may have a “Getting away with crimes IQ” of 140 or genius level. Nevertheless it’s hard to see him masterminding incredibly complex crimes. Mr. Z on the other hand is capable of being a Zodiac level mastermind. He’s capable of most anything.
Furthermore, our member has been attempting to get a “read” on him for years now, and he’s gotten nowhere. Our member has a decent background in psychology. He can’t figure out who the real Mr. Z is or if there even is one. You think you have a handle on him, and then that just looks like another facade or false self. It’s one false self after another.
Mr. Z is just a series of fake selves in an endless series of fake selves scrolling off into the horizon. As soon as you try to get a handle on one, a new one pops up, just as false.
I’ve known for some time now that sociopaths and psychopaths are very difficult if not impossible to read. I’ve known empaths who told me they could read a lot of people, but they could never get a read on a certain person, and that person turned out to be a psychopath. If you read The Mask of Sanity, the pre-eminent document on psychopathy, you will see why this is so. There’s no true self there. Instead there is only a series of masks.
As noted, this man has inserted himself in a deep way into the investigation for no apparent reason. Can we place him at the bridge? Well, we don’t need to. He places himself there! In fact, he places himself there at right around the time of the murders. He said he walked on the bridge a bit but then turned around and went back to his car, seeing nothing.
Police have said that they have accounted for everyone who was at the bridge that day except for the killer, but as they are keeping the two killers theory under wraps, perhaps they meant was “except for the killers.” Mr. Z says he drove his wife’s red car to the bridge that day, and there is a report of a similar red car at the bridge.
Our member feels that Mr. Z drove Mr. X to the bridge. Mr. X’s phone pings the bridge from 12-5 PM on February 13 because we believe that Mr. X placed his phone there when he went to commit the crime because otherwise the GPS would place him on the bridge and at the crime scene.
The member also feels that Mr. X arrived at the cemetery and parked his truck in the trees much earlier than 5:30 PM. He thinks it may have been there for hours earlier, perhaps since early afternoon. It is certainly possible that Mr. X’s truck was placed on Ron’s land earlier than 5:30 PM. He also thinks that Mr. X said he lost his keys because Mr. Z had his keys instead! If that was the case, then why not say, “Mr. Z has my keys”?
Mr. Z has made many videos about the Delphi Murders. In some of them he has homeless, living in a tent in the woods, as he has gone off his meds. In these videos he is ranting at the Delphi Killer, raging about what he is going to do to him if he finds him. This is all quite over the top.
Mr. Z has some odd religious beliefs to say the last. He has fashioned some weird “Jihadist Paganism” that uses a lot of Arabic writing and lettering for the jihadist element. The Paganist element is a worship of the Earth. Obviously, you don’t have to be a student of religion to realize that an Islamist Jihadist Paganism is an oxymoron. His nouveau religion posits that those who harm the planet must be killed. This is where the jihadism comes him. So he believes in a jihad along the lines of an Islamic religious jihad in the name of paganism to deal with those who foul the Earth. To say it’s odd is an understatement.
What Is the Nature of the Bladed Weapon Used in the Crime?
In addition, the redacted text in the Ron Logan search warrant (we have seen the unredacted warrant) says that a “bladed weapon” was used in the crime. One of our police sources already told us and they also told us that the weapon was “either a sword or a machete.” There has been a rumor for some time about an odd curved weapon resembling a gut knife. Detectives were inquiring in local sporting goods stores in the weeks after the crime if anyone had bought a gut knife recently.
For some time, we thought the murder weapon which cut a girl’s throat was a hatchet. We thought this because the team was chasing hatchet criminals all over the Western US. Why else would they be chasing hatchet criminals unless a hatchet was used in the crime?
However, the single blow that struck the girl with her head positioned on a log while she was unconscious (we think she had to be unconscious when struck because you can’t hit a live, squirming, thrashing head on a log) could not have been done by a hatchet. We are being criticized for this theory but please note that the girl’s head was nearly severed in a single blow. That would require quite a powerful and large weapon. A hatchet would have had to hack away at a neck for some time before it cut it, and the attack was a single blow. It’s a girl’s throat, not a block of wood.
After thinking for a long time, we now think that the bladed weapon was a “long kukuri.” A kukuri is a curved Indonesian knife. It is usually a short blade as long as a switchblade, but apparently it also comes in a long version that looks like a sword.
On the other hand, a single blow of a long kukuri could have easily done the trick and nearly severed a girl’s neck with a single blow. It also fits with our police source’s description of the bladed weapon as “a sword or a machete.”
Oddly enough, Mr. Z has a vast collection of all sorts of knives and swords to the point where it’s almost creepy. He has taken many photos of his huge collection and posted them on the web. Among his big collection, believe it or not, is both a short and a long kukuri knife. So Mr. Z owns a knife of the very unusual type that was used in the crime! That doesn’t mean he did it, but we think it is interesting.
There is a very serious problem with the theory that Mr. Z was an accomplice in the murders, and that is that we have been unable to find any information tying him to Mr. X. Clearly this is a serious problem.
However it is quite clear to us that Mr. Z is a major suspect in the crime according to LE, second in importance only to Mr. X. This right there means he needs to be looked at very closely.
Incredibly enough, Mr. Z can be connected to Kegan Kline! In fact, Mr. Z was the tech who fixed Kline’s phones and PC’s. Did Mr. Z come upon Kline’s illicit material when he was fixing his PC? Even worse, if Mr. Z participated in the crime, did he have a deal with Kline to provide him with the murder tape afterwards?
Possibility That The Murders Were Recorded and That a Video of the Crime Exists
A serious problem has occurred with the local rumor that Kline was selling the murder tape for Bitcoin and he made a lot of Bitcoin on it. A woman has somehow been able to check out Kline’s Bitcoin account, and she found that it is empty. So this is a serious problem for the murder tape theory.
Our member thought that the planners of the murders felt, “As long as we are going to do these murders, we might as well make some money off of them.”
Leigh Kerr (Pastor Warmbler) has been proven correct or inconclusive on every one of his claims we have investigated. For many of his claims, we have found independent evidence that he was telling the truth. For a number of other claims, we have not been able to determine if his claims were true or false. However, we have not found him to be false about a single charge.
This man is trashed to Hell on the Reddit groups, but he is one of the finest sources of all for this crime. This just shows how foolish and vicious they are. Furthermore, the story with his wife handing over the court documents on her death bed as a last wish checks out. As does Warmbler’s character as a Pentecostal preacher. Both the member and I found that he is the most straight-up person you will ever meet.
Leigh Kerr verified a rumor that the crime was videotaped by the killer and that videos or photos of the murders were then sent to a girl’s phone afterwards. We are not sure which girl’s phone it was sent to. There are rumors it was sent to the younger girl’s phone, but we have gotten different information on whether she had a phone. Some say she had a burner phone, but others said she had a tablet. She has a backpack on her back at the bridge. A tablet could fit in there.
There are different stories about the older girl’s phone. One story is that the killer smashed it to bits at the scene and left it there. In this version, the video and audio was taken from the Cloud as it was uploaded immediately as it was being recorded. We still don’t know if the “smashed to bits at the scene” is true. However, there appears to be a good rumor of this girl’s phone turning on and pinging the bridge at 2 AM. It was reported by the police. If the phone is smashed to bits, how does it turn on at 2 AM? Or is it smashed to bits at the crime scene at 2 AM?
As it’s been verified by Leigh Kerr, that’s pretty good evidence that the crime was videotaped. There is also a reference in the search warrant to the notion that the crime may have been recorded, as they are looking for photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, film, developed and undeveloped. This also seems to imply that the crime was filmed. And a lot of people think BG has a GoPro on his head.
Ashley Garth said she had seen the video of the murders. We don’t know how credible she is, and she’s a convicted murderer. However, two other people also said that they saw the murder tape, so perhaps it exists.
The Shoe at the Bottom of the Hill
Our member also had some new theories about the crime. He felt that one girl had accidentally fallen off the bridge. This would be the girl whose shoe was found at the bottom on the hill. The two others then went down the hill, found her, decided they need to get her to a doctor, carried her across the creek, and then the crime occurred. This theory runs into serious problems such as the necessity of carrying a heavy girl some distance and then carting her across a creek and up a steep slope. With all due respect, we don’t think this is what happened.
Nevertheless, the shoe at the bottom of the hill needs to be explained. How did this girl lose her shoe?! One theory is she “ran out of her shoe.” People who have played sports have described running out of shoes when playing running sports. OK, but how do you run out of your sock too? Her sock was also found down there. How did this girl lose both her shoe and her sock at the bottom of the hill? To this day we have no good answer to this question.
New Personality Information on Mr. X
Our member also learned new information about Mr. X. One curious thing about him is that we were finding it hard to find good psychological portraits of him that could imply a capability to do commit such a crime. However, the member talked to a number of people who knew him who said he’s a real Jeckyl and Hyde. He is said to have a “split personality or multiple personalities.” There’s no such thing as the former, and the latter is rare.
I’m pretty sure he has neither, but laypeople use this for someone who has a serious split in the self and appear to have completely different aspects of the Self that come out at odd times. F
or instance, Ted Bundy described an aspect of his Self known as “The Entity” that was split off from him most of the time. It was this split-off part of the Self that was taking over and going out and committing crimes, not Ted himself. This part of the Self was so split-off and compartmentalized that Ted may not have even been aware of it most of the time. These people are experts at compartmentalizing aspects of the Self, and while this can look like MPD, it’s different in some important ways.
Anyway, what we were told is that Mr. X has these multiple selves, including a normal self who is quite ordinary and another self that is extremely dark, dangerous, and terrifying. They say when this self is out, it’s as if he is possessed. We also have reports that he abused both of his wives and his daughter. With the wives it may have been physical abuse, but with the daughter it was psychological abuse. She reported that he could get very mean at times.
The member said that the word among locals is that Mr. X “fried his brain from too many drugs and now he’s gone. First of all, I don’t think it’s possible to fry your brain too many drugs and I’ve never met such a person in my life, this after being deep in the drug culture for many years. So this is nonsense. But he does seem to have been a hard drug user in the past. The only drug referenced is heroin. Heroin doesn’t fry your brain.
Weird Posts by Mrs. X Only One Week after the Crime
We just now discovered that Mr. X’s wife, Mrs. X posted her posts on Facebook about “How you’ve known someone your whole life and then you discover that they’re this completely different person, this monster, this entity of pure evil,” a mere week after the murders! That’s very important.
To us that means that Mrs. X felt that Mr. X had committed these murders within a week of the crime. How on Earth could she have arrived at that conclusion? By putting two and two together? Few details of Mr. X’s very strange antics around the location and duration of his truck parked on Ron Logan’s land, his mysterious and confounding comments about keys, his discovery of the bodies and flight in shock had been revealed at this time.
But perhaps she did simply figure it out on her own. After all, we do not know the whereabouts of Mr. X from 8 PM February 13 to 8:30 AM February 14. He is last seen searching Logan’s land at 8 PM on the 13th and then shows up again at the fire station to join the search party on the morning of the 14th. There’s no information that he went home that night. So it looks like he stayed out there by his truck all night long. Perhaps Mrs. X figured out that he stayed out all night the night of the murders with no explanation and this made her think he did it.
Our member has another theory. While many think that Mr. X’s panic and flight in terror on finding the bodies and subsequent psychotherapy was staged, our member thinks that he actually panicked upon seeing the condition of the bodies. If Mr. X himself left those bodies in that shape, it seems odd for him to panic over it the next time.
Besides, he seems a bit of a cold fish. He was completely calm in that press conference when the police were freaking out because of his presence in the room. And the person who commits this sort of a crime, particularly with posing, is usually at the far end of psychopathy because only 6% of serial homicides are posed.
After panicking, our member thinks Mr. X actually had a nervous breakdown. And due to this breakdown, he sought four months of therapy. Adding weight to this theory are reports that he is still distraught and broken up over what he saw at the crime scene. This doesn’t make a lot of sense as others who found the bodies did not react in such an extreme way, although a longtime police officer did leave the force and retire as he was investigating the case. He said it was too much for him.
Our member thinks that in the week after the murders, Mr. X had a breakdown and confessed to his wife. This resulted in the wife’s cryptic posts to Facebook. This theory has the advantage of explaining the wife’s weird posts, but perhaps she simply added up two and two and got four. On the other hand, people on the far end of psychopathy don’t fall apart when they see the results of the crimes. They don’t have nervous breaks as a result of what they did, and they certainty don’t have breaks that last for five years.
We have no good explanation for Mr. X’s behavior after finding the bodies, running away, and then seeking therapy other than we think his behavior was staged to make it seem like if he was so upset, he could not possibly have done it. Perhaps he did confess to his wife. These types are known to confess to people. But we don’t know that either.
Anyway, we think Mrs. X making those bizarre remarks possibly pointing to her husband a mere week after the murders is quite important. We would point out that if he did confess to the wife, she has since closed ranks with him and now insists that he’s innocent. But wives covering for husbands in homicide cases is nothing new, and it’s not even against the law.
Mr. X Finally Conclusively Placed Near Evansdale, Iowa during the Time of the Evansdale Murders!
Our critics have savaged us for reporting that Mr. X was living in the area of the Evansdale murders at the time those girls were killed. However, our information came us straight from our best police source, so we think it is good.
However, due to our member’s investigation, we have now uncovered good evidence that Mr. X was indeed living in that area at the time of the murders. After searching for years, our member finally found a local who knew Mr. X well. This local said that Mr. X had indeed been living in Waterloo, Iowa at the time those girls were killed. He said that Mr. X had been working for both Indiana Packers and Tyson Foods.
We’re not sure if he was working for both at the time, which seems unlikely, or he was working for one during one period and another during another period. At any rate, Mr. X was working for Tyson Foods at the time, and they transferred a lot of employees over to Waterloo, Iowa to work in their other plant for a period of time, obviously at least months. A previous suspect, Mr. A, told us that he had been transferred as part of this same group.
Mr. X has no record of an address over there because he had no address. He and the rest of the Tyson workers were being put up at an extended stay motel. He definitely had a roommate at the time, and it is this roommate who turned Mr. X in as the man on the bridge. Try as we might, we have not been able to find the name of the roommate, but we are working on it. This is great news for the Evansdale case that we are finally able to place Mr. X in the vicinity of that crime when it was committed!
Our Initial Theory that BG Worked or Had Worked at Indiana Packers Shown Correct!
Remember very early in the case when we suggested that BG had a connection with Indiana Packers? We thought that because to us it was obvious that he was wearing Indiana Packers boots on the bridge, as his boots were a perfect match for the boots seized by LE when they raided Indiana Packers shortly after the crime.
A pair of boots later was shown in an evidence bag with a message from police saying, “Don’t mind this. It’s nothing.” Well, we didn’t believe that. Of course, we’ve been trashed to Kingdom Come for saying BG is wearing Indiana Packers boots, but now that we have established a work connection between the main suspect and Indiana Packers, it is looking like BG is actually wearing boots from that plant.
So what happens at the plant? Do you have to buy your own uniform? Do they give you a uniform to keep? At any rate, it looks like after people leave Packers, at the very least former workers retain their boots.
It would also be very interesting to see what sort of a job Mr. X had at Indiana Packers. We theorized early on that if BG worked at Packers, he might have had one of the jobs where he cuts the throats of pigs because one girl was sadly slaughtered in a very similar way. We still have no information on the nature of Mr. X’s work at either Packers or Tyson.
What’s up with Kelsi German?
We don’t normally use full names in these posts, but this young woman is innocent, so we figure we might as well. Unfortunately, for whatever reasons, her stories about all sorts of things about this crime are all over place. In other words, she can’t keep her story straight. The FBI suspected her of involvement and they interviewed her several times. Once they interviewed her at her school because they thought they might get a different result due to a different interview locale.
After a couple of years, we learned that Kelsi German has been officially cleared of involvement in the case. That should have been easy enough to prove since if you are familiar with this young lady at all, you know she doesn’t have it in her to kill her own sister!
Nevertheless, Kelsi’s contradictory statements and inability to keep her story straight have led to a lot of Youtube videos speculating her involvement in the case.
However, our member learned quite a bit about Kelsi in the course of his investigation, and we think we can now account for some of her behavior.
For instance, Kelsi has been going to her sister’s grave and yelling and cursing at it. Supposedly she blames her sister for being so stupid as to fall victim to a social media catfish killer. However, we believe it goes deeper than this. You see, Kelsi was well aware that Libby was talking to Anthony Shots, the catfish. In fact, Kelsi was talking to him too! As his photo was a male model, both easily became quite smitten with him. However, Kelsi was jealous of her sister because she thought Shots paid more attention to her than to Kelsi, so this was a source of tension.
Kelsi also talked to “Shots” the night of the 13th, the day her sister went missing. The contents of the conversation are not known. Kelsi then went into her sister’s account and deleted many people from her friends list. We don’t know why she did that.
It also appears that Kelsi had been keeping her and her sister’s talks with Shots secret from their guardians. In addition, it also seems that Kelsi knew that her sister and the other girl were going to the bridge to secretly meet Shots on the day they disappeared. In fact, Kelsi even secretly drove her sister to the bridge without telling her parents. As you can see, Kelsi has a lot to feel guilty about, though she did nothing wrong.
She hid and even participated in a relationship between Shots and her and her sister. She never informed her parents that her sister was talking to Shots. And she basically drove her sister to her death on the day in the question. Kelsi had no idea of the terrors that would await her sister at the bridge. She bears no blame for any of this. But guilt is a funny thing, and I believe Kelsi is a very good person who is the type to feel a lot of guilt. Bottom line is the way she sees it is that she drove her sister to her death that day, and hence bears responsibility for her sister’s murder.
As far as the anger towards her sister at the grave site, perhaps she is still angry because Shots paid more attention to her sister. However, what is more likely is that Kelsi is projecting guilt away from herself. Instead of saying, “I drove my sister to her death, but it wasn’t my fault,” she blames her sister for being so stupid as to fall for an online catfish. Kelsi is projecting away her guilt onto her sister as rage and displacing her own guilt onto her sister as her sister’s guilt. Pretty much Psychology 100.
There is also a possibility that Kelsi knows that a relative of her and her sister helped set up the creepy crime scene beforehand which then turned into a homicide. We believe these young men are innocent and merely intended to prank a girl and scare her into getting an abortion. We do not think they committed a crime. But boy, it sure does look bad, and if I had done that, I’d never say a word.
Her statements about this relative who participated in the prank are all over the place as far as where he was at what times. Simply put, her time and place statements about this man make no sense. We feel that she may be trying to cover for her relative, although we believe he committed no crime. When you try to give a false alibi for someone, it’s pretty easy to trip up and mix your statements up. We think this is what is happening here.
Anyway, Kelsi German is innocent in either case, no matter that she can’t keep her story straight. Yes, she may be providing a false alibi, but good luck proving it, and she’s providing an alibi for something that wasn’t even a crime in the first place and worse, it never even happened! Perhaps Kelsi should seek therapy to soothe her hurting heart.
A Possible Solution to the Karenna McClerkin Murder
In the course of his four year investigation into the Delphi Murders, our member also dug very deep into the methamphetamine dealing underworld. The meth dealing in the area for the last 10-15 years has been controlled by two rival groups, one centered around Gabe Ellis and another centered around a father-son family operation, Mr. Palladino, father, and Mr. Palladino, son, or the the Palladino Family operation.
They are bitter rivals and there are frequent threats against people working for the other side, all the way up to death threats. A number of folks, including Derrick German, father of one of the murdered Delphi girls, have worked for both groups and hence incurred the wrath or one or both of the organizations.
You remember how we mentioned a sex trafficking group that may have played a role in the Delphi Murders?
The Main Theme of This Whole Case Is about a Taboo Subject Which Can Never Be Discussed without Causing a Huge Shitstorm
Well, here we go again, and once again as in the Delphi case, it’s a case centered around sex and teenage girls, particularly teenage girls having sex with adult men.
One thing we’ve noted since the very start of this case is how many people go absolutely hysterical over any mention of a sexual motive in the case. This was the reason I was thrown out of so many groups in the beginning – I mentioned the rumors about a sexual angle to the crime and in addition, I described some of the gruesome rumors about what was done to the girls. What seems to drive these “grownups” into particular conniptions is the outrageous notion that these teenage girls had sex lives had sex lives as many normal, healthy teens their age too. Supposedly this slanders their eternal purity!
One would think these girls were being nominated for sainthood. Neither girl was a saint. Instead, they were ordinary teenage girls doing what ordinary teenage girls do when no one is looking, which is often to get into a whole Hell of a lot of trouble. I nearby caused Mt. Vesuvius to erupt and a lynch mob to storm my door by suggesting that one girl had kissed a boy at least one time. That was called “sexualizing minors.”
Look, this Puritanical, prudish, sex-hating insanity has gone too far. We can’t point to the teenage girl across the street and note that you saw her kissing a boy without being reported to the FBI as a sex criminal? Get a grip, people.
This Delphi Murders is about one subject, and it is drenched from top to bottom, from right to left, from up to down, from north to south, and from east to west with this taboo subject: Teenage girls having sex. Even worse is the source of the current sex panic: Teenage girls having sex with adults, typically grown men.
All I have to say is that if you are so uptight and hung up that you can’t talk about subjects like this without causing a five alarm fire, why don’t you just quit talking about the case? Leave the groups. Leave all the Reddit groups. Leave all the Facebook groups. Shut up about the case. Quit reading about it.
Because I assure you that the key to the whole case is the matter which has driven you to hysteria: teenage girls having sex with adult men. If you can’t discuss it like a grownup, just get lost!
Back to Gabe Ellis Again
It turns out that Gabe Ellis may have had some sort of a “club” of his own similar to Mr. F’s “club” (actually a sex trafficking group) around Delphi. Ellis and his friends befriended teenage girls and young women, got them hooked on drugs, and then passed them around amongst themselves. This is all quite legal for the most part (except for the dope) if the girls are over 16.
However, it also appears that they may have been prostituting some of the girls and keeping them as sex slaves, that is, sex trafficking them. If they are prostituting minors whether the minors are prisoners or not, it’s idiotically considered “sex trafficking.”
The murder of Karenna McClerkin in Kokomo, Indiana occurred a few years ago. An 18 year old mixed race woman, she vanished in the middle of the night. She was last seen with a known woman, Paige Turley, in Turley’s vehicle around midnight, and she was supposedly being taken to Ellis’ place.
There are stories that she was being held as a sex slave by Ellis and trafficked as a prostitute to men. Supposedly the reason was that Karenna stole $25,000 from Ellis. For this, she had to work as a prostitute for him to work the money she stole off. There were different theories about her death, including that Gabe and his friends gave her a “hot shot” or a deliberate overdose of intravenous drugs. This version is still the most popular version of the murder.
Another version has her being sold to a black firefighter who liked very rough sex who got carried away during sex and strangled her, accidentally or simply because he got too excited. This version does not appear to have good legs.
Anyway, however she died, Ellis and friends realized that they had a dead body on their hands and they had to get rid of it. They took her body to a nearby town, chopped it into pieces, and then set the pieces on fire and threw them in a cornfield. People are now looking for remains under a bridge. This version of the body disposal also remains the most popular.
At any rate, Karenna was an IV drug user. At the very least, she shot heroin. Gabe also shot heroin and used cocaine, methamphetamine, and marijuana.
One night there was a party at Ellis’ house. Late at night at this party, Karenna confronted Ellis yelling and screaming and making a huge scene. Ellis had recently been dating Karenna’s younger cousin, CS, who was only 15 years old. The girl had run away from home to be with Ellis because she was in love with him. Ellis had been putting her up at a hotel. Her mother kept tracking her down, but she kept running away again.
Apparently word leaked out that Ellis had plans for this girl along the same lines as with Karenna, that is, getting her hooked on drugs and then passing her around amongst his friends or possibly pimping her out, which is technically sex trafficking because she was underage. And Karenna was also apparently a sex slave, so she was literally being trafficked even though she was an adult.
Perhaps there were plans to make a sex slave of CS too. Karenna was not happy as the fact that she had been trafficked by Ellis, as I suppose it was not an optimal experience. Karenna was furious when she found out about these plans. She cared about her cousin and also may have thought CS was too young for such things. She probably also had protective feelings towards her due to CS being only 15 years old.
She charged Ellis and got him against a wall. “If you do to my cousin what you did to me, I’m going to the police to report you.”
We are not sure what she was going to bust Ellis to the police on. Herself being trafficked to men as a prostitute and sex slave? Ellis’ extensive meth dealing operation? A possible sex trafficking ring that Ellis and his friends were running (although we are uncertain that this was actually a ring with multiple victims)? Karenna left that night but Ellis and his friends apparently decided that this girl was a problem that needed to go away fast. So they plotted to get rid of her.
At this point, we are going to get cryptic with the story.
It appears that Ellis had a female relative who was a butch lesbian. This woman has a name, PT, but we are not going to reveal it as we are implicating her in a crime here. She wore men’s clothes and walked and talked like a man. She had a girlfriend who was a bit more lipstick as such things usually go, as homosexual relationships mirror heterosexual ones. Ellis apparently handed off the homicide to his female relative.
At some point on the night in question, Karenna got into a car driven by the relative and her lesbian girlfriend. Wherever they were supposed to be headed, possibly to Gabe’s house, they ended up at the apartment of Gabe’s lesbian relative and her girlfriend. They then went to shoot heroin, except that Karenna was given a hotshot, that is, a deliberately lethal dose. She was soon dead of a heroin overdose.
The two women then went to work chopping up Karenna’s body in the relative’s apartment until it was in small enough pieces that it could be carried in bags to their truck. The truck was then driven a ways north to an area where there were extensive and poorly-guarded pig farms in huge outdoor pens. The parts of the woman’s body were thrown over the fence to the hungry swarming pigs. Her body was quickly eaten by the pigs, as pigs are wont to do.
We don’t know if anything would be left of the body in the pig pen or whether there would still be bones. But surely a search of the relative’s apartment might come up with DNA or blood evidence of a body that had been cut up with knives.
Gabe Ellis, Confidential Informant
I have called the Kokomo police a couple of times about this case. One detective was quite helpful but the most recent one was a nightmare, the worst detective I have ever spoken with. I read off a version of the firefighter killed the girl in rough sex followed by Ellis and his friends chopping up the body in the field story and he stopped me short and abruptly.
Let me tell you that I can prove that everything you have told me is false! I know who she was with and how she was killed.
And then the conversation abruptly ended.
According to our new member, this is the typical run-around that anyone gets whenever they bring up the name of Gabe Ellis in connection with this crime. All cops just shut down the conversation right away when his name comes up.
This struck the member as curious, so he did some digging. He now believes that Ellis is a confidential informant for the police and has been one for quite some time now. He researched Ellis’ record dating back to 2009. Ellis got arrested over and over and he always gets the charges for the most part or entirely dropped. It appears that the police are protecting Ellis because he is a CI.
In his most recent arrest, in which he was found in a vehicle with Karenna’s sister, now 16 and legal, along with drugs including cocaine, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, baggies, scales, etc. He was arrested for possession of all of these items. The girl was perfectly legal but the problem is that Ellis likes to take videos of his sex life, and he had been videotaping himself and this girl having sex. Unfortunately, legally, that is child porn. So he went down on that charge.
When it came time for trial, almost all of the charges were dropped except for the CP. He went into the prison system. Our member searched for him for a long time and could not find him anywhere in the system. He appears to have dropped off the face of the earth. Our member thinks he is in the witness protection program, hiding somewhere. As the police are protecting this man, it is unlikely the murder or Karenna McClerkin, in which Gabe Ellis almost certainly plays a large role, will ever be solved.
The Curious Case of Nate Miller
As we noted, Nate Miller, a police officer who killed himself in December 2020, was related to Mr. M, the man who impregnated the girl victim. Mr. X was also very close to Mr. M. Although a girl who refused to get an abortion seems to be one of the motives of the crime, Mr. M is not a suspect. But now we can see why Nate Miller provided the fake alibi for Mr. X. He was protecting his relative, Mr. M!
Nate Miller had worked for a nearby police department for 20 years. He specialized in CSI or crime scene investigations. He appears to have worked long enough to get a pension. After 20 years on the job, he abruptly quit and took a large pay cut to go work as a beat officer in Delphi. We do not understand why he took this large pay cut to do this. We think that Tobe Lozenby wanted Nate to work for his force to try to infiltrate the sex trafficking group that appears to be at the heart of the crime. But it’s unclear why he took the pay cut.
Police thought he was lying in his alibi for Mr. X. Perhaps he was forced out of his prior CSI job for this reason. At any rate, he quit to take a quite dangerous job working for Lozenby. About 10 months after he took this new assignment, he was found dead in the early morning hours in his car next to a park. The cause of death was a gunshot wound to the head. The death was ruled a homicide.
However, everyone our new member talked to about this case thought it was a homicide disguised as a suicide. In other words, he was “suicided.” We know of no good, hard evidence that the case was a homicide instead of a suicide, but that’s the local rumor. It is interesting that he died of suicide not long after taking a very dangerous assignment to infiltrate a sex trafficking ring.
Our member thought Miller was a “dirty cop.” What he means by this was that he was a cop who liked to beat up suspects and arrestees. Miller had many a number of social media posts opposing mandatory body cams for police officers. Presumably he opposed these cams because he would not be able to beat up arrestees anymore. The case and death of Nate Miller are at the heart of this crime, but we still don’t know exactly what happened.
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Robert, Not long after the murders, didn’t one of the family members (I think Kelsey) say there was “so much blood” at the crime scene? It was discussed here.
Yes, they did say that. “So much blood.” But we don’t know which crime scene that refers to. I assume it means the site where they were found. Then again, Ron Logan described it as “pristine.”
Robert and team,
Excellent work, but don’t stop here. Keep investigating the Delphi/Carroll County police, sheriff and elected officials. This case is like a big, old, raggedy crocheted sweater with a huge thread hanging off of it. Pull the thread and watch the whole thing unravel!
I’ve believed for years that this was part of a drug and human trafficking ring. LE just doesn’t seem like they REALLY want this crime to be solved. Too many loose ends to tie up! You have photos and a voice recording of at least one of the perps and yet you can’t ID them? It’s time to call bullshit once and for all.
I feel LE is staging a huge cover up and have been since the night they called off the search. If Abby truly did survive through the night and succumbed to exposure, then her blood is on “The Honorable” Tobe Leazenby’s hands. Time to drain the swamp and haul some asses into the courtroom.
Thanks J., appreciate it. I never believed the drug or sex trafficking stuff, but now we are starting to think this case might go a lot deeper than anyone thinks.
I’ll tell you one thing. This Mr. F looks like a very dark individual indeed.
“There was scant water in the lungs”
could that mean she was half drowned in the creek? maybe killer tried to Baptize them.
I wonder if they tested the water, as scant water on lungs could mean few different things eg= Vaping
When a diseased or overworked left lower heart chamber (left ventricle) can’t pump out enough of the blood it gets from the lungs, pressures in the heart go up. The increased pressure pushes fluid through the blood vessel walls into the air sacs. So, scant water in lungs isn’t significant after death. It’s a minor detail included in the autopsy report.
It could also be the result of falling into the creek and aspirating a bit of water.
I think they are saying it was fluid leaking into the lungs due to trauma.
Regarding Mr X and Mr Z connection, I thought I saw somewhere that they were hunting buddies?
We have been unable to find any connection between Mr. X and Mr. Z. Needless to say, it’s a very serious problem for our theory that Z may have been Mr. X’s accomplice.
The connection between the deceased cop & Mr. X isn’t clear, the alibi & you mention the family member of the cop. Can you explain again please.
The deceased cop is a relative of Mr. M. Mr. M is the 20 year old man who impregnated one of the girls and was pestering her to get an abortion. He and his friends set up a prank set to be done on exactly the day of the murders, but the murder plot was run by others on top of it and pre-empted the prank while setting the pranksters up to take the fall on the murders.
Mr. X and Mr. M are very close, but Mr. M did not know of Mr. X’s murder plot. Both men are also members of a local sex “club” which actually appears to be a sex trafficking organization running 13-20 year old girls and women who they hook on drugs, lure into homes, and then shut them and prevent them from leaving while passing the girls around amongst themselves. Also the girls and women are used in pornographic movies. Porn featuring minor girls may go for a premium.
It looks like Mr. M was also set up to take the fall because the nature of the homicide seemed to imply the father of a fetus angry at a girl for not aborting the fetus.
Nate Miller is related to Mr. M, the father of the fetus.
Mr. M and Mr. X are very close. They are both members of a sex trafficking organization that traffics in teenage girls and women aged 13-20, mostly preying on runaways.
Wow! What an update! Lots of confirmation, yet lots of “back to the drawing board” we go. I can’t say thank you enough to the new member, and to you for putting all of this in the easiest to understand format humanly possible. I have a lot rereading and thinking to do, but I’ll be back.
Great! You are in the private group, aren’t you?
Do you think the perpetrator(s) can defend with legal insanity?
Oh no, not at all. Though if the possible accomplice is indicted, if he is who I think he is, he might be able to. But we sort of think his insanity bit seems like a put-on somehow.
I would highly doubt it. To successfully take that route it would have to shown that they unable to determine right from wrong based on mental illness. It is a very high bar.
Yes, and this guy’s mental disorder is a bit weird. He gets hosptilized sometimes but if you follow him and watch his videos, his disorder somehow doesn’t seem all that real. We feel he is also a pure psychopath (biological kind) as opposed to a sociopath (created or formed). We’ve been trying to get a read on him but no we can’t read him at all. In my experience, I have found that this is true with Antisocial PD types. For some reason, you simply can’t read them, perhaps because most of what you say on the surface is some type of mask and hence is fraudulent.
People with ASPD typically come off as charming until they don’t get what they want. I haven’t sen any of the videos to know if I would be charmed. ASPD as well as other PD’s don’t typically qualify for an insanity defense. That is almost exclusively in the realm of a primary psychotic illness or a severe neurodevelopmental disorder.
The main suspect is described as “narcissistic and controlling.” The investigator who did this four year research thought he was a sociopath (created or formed). I’m not so sure, as posing serials are usually at the far end of ASPD, which is often the pure psychopaths. But I’m not really sure if psychopaths are worse than sociopaths.
I’m not sure there is really a functional difference between a psychopath and a sociopath. Both would be diagnosed with ASPD since there aren’t really formal diagnostic criteria for those terms.
Let me read him for you, METHODICALLY DIABOLICAL, WICKEDLY GENIUS wrapped in PURE EVIL, pit of Hell type evil that gets his rocks off watching others suffer in pain while soaking in their humiliation and embarrassment because his victim is incapacitated to do anything about it. He’s one very meticulously manipulative monster beast. He has a buddy that’s a very well known YouTuber who’s just like him. Both need locked up never to see the light of day again. Both have been POIs for a long time.
First Call me now.
Called you but it was 10 PM your time and the phone just rang. I sent you a couple of mails, including one with my number.
If Abbie survived the night she was almost certainly unconscious or at least completely incapacitated. Had she been able to move at all she would very likely not have been in the position she appears to be.
Yes it does look like she survived the night. Do you know how long her body would have stayed warm after death. She was still warm when found and we thought that meant that she had died only a few hours previously, but perhaps we were wrong about that.
It appears the body cooling post-mortem is roughly between 0.75 and 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit per hour. That is variable based on many factors such as wet/dry, amount of clothing or covering, ambient environmental temperature and humidity, weight, blood loss, etc. “Warm” is somewhat subjective.
I presume it means warm to the touch of the observer’s hand. That would then bring hand temperature in to the equation. Those of us living in areas where winter typically gets quite cold know that when our hands get cold when we are outside, if we need to wash them when we get inside we start out with cold or cool water. Even cold tap water can feel warm at times. Warm or hot water can be painful.
Robert – giving my $20 periodic donation. Very impressive work. Thanks!
Thank you! You’re great! Have you been to the private group lately?
Going there now. Thanks!
Question, because I really don’t know… the autopsy report, as an official document… wouldn’t 330 PM have been stated as ‘1500?’ That would indicate TOD of 0330 or 3:30 AM.
Again, I don’t know, so curious on your take
The wording was given to me in a private conversation with the person who saw it. He wasn’t reading off the document.
Lost the link to the private group. Robert, would you send it my way?
Hi Robert & Members! Glad to be back!
I read above that there’s a private group. Robert, am I able to go to the private group with my password? Thank You.
PS: It’s incorrectly spelled (the name) because my misbehaving computer wants it that way. (????)
I just sent you the link and password. Welcome back! You were always one of our best members!
If you listen to episode 19 from Eye of Apophis-Delphi, it is suggested that the photo of Abbie on the bridge is photoshopped and the time of abduction was much earlier, not the day everyone thinks. Don’t know what to think.
I am not able to join your group, but I do love your theories, as they seem most probable in the explanation of this heinous crime. I am curious as to your thoughts on the search of the Wabash River occurring this week. What do you think is going on there?
We don’t pontificate about things that we have no knowledge of. None of our good sources have given us any info about what is going on there, so we are simply going to say that we have no idea. We say that about all sorts of aspects of this case. We do have good LE sources, but it is very hard to get information out of them, especially lately. I think they are afraid of getting in trouble for leaking to us.
However, our best LE source told us:
Kegan Kline is not involved in these murders, although it’s true that he’s a scumbag. She said, “He’s just a decoy.” We don’t know what that means. Do you have any theories on what that might mean? We also don’t think that Tony Kline is involved for similar reasons. Whatever relation Kegan has to this crime seems to be peripheral.
Perhaps he was involved in the distribution of a rumored snuff film of the murders. That might be the extent of his involvement. However, it is possible that Kegan, while being innocent, knows who committed the murders. That’s a good theory at the moment.