Soloman: Man you boomers are hella wild with your leaded fuel-filled brains n bones. Lol. Man, did you never hear about The Cure, or the myriad of subcultures where straight men are just fine being their wonderful, androgyne selves? Ya’ll fell out years ago, and now us GenX/Y/Z’s have to pay for all your closeted bigotry and ignorance.
Props for the “leaded fuel-filled brains” line. I just figured that one out right now. +1 for humor. Touche!
We like the Cure just fine. I saw them in concert in 1983. Actually, I came out of the 1970’s when this was all the rage. I’m a lifetime androgyne myself along the Iggy Pop – Mick Jagger – New York Dolls line. But that’s a different kind of androgyny – a combination of extreme psychological or cognitive masculinity with a feminine side layered on.
However, that sort of androgyny was far more popular back then than it is now. We have gone completely backwards on this issue. The whole rage now is hypermasculinity with the tattoos and the whole nine yards. And this is what women demand now. I’m afraid the market for 70’s-style androgyny is rather limited.
I’m thinking now that it just doesn’t work. All that ends up happening is people think you are gay or bi everywhere you go, and this causes all manner of problems, including gaybashing. For instance, I’ve been gaybashed three different times, once with a baseball bat! So that’s where that sort of behavior lands you. And I’m not even effeminate! I’m just a “soft guy” type.
Gay and bi men won’t leave you alone, and this causes all manner of problems too. That’s reason I didn’t go into modeling. I had repeated offers to get into male modeling as a man in my 20’s, but the scene is so full of homosexuals (1/3) that I chickened out. I would have been walking the gauntlet every single day.
Basically, women don’t like androgynes. They think they’re pussies and faggots. They despise the latter even more than the former, assuming that’s even possible. All they want are hypermasculine meatheads. They simply will not tolerate anything else, and we’ve been going backwards every year for decades now.
Keep in mind that this is a lifetime of experience talking at age 64 with a much more cynical mind than I had in my naive 20’s.
Ya’ll fell out years ago, and now us GenX/Y/Z’s have to pay for all your closeted bigotry and ignorance.
Please explain. How did we screw it up for you guys?
We’re not closeted. Pure androgynes are the last men on Earth to be closeted. They’re already pretty liberated as it is. Most of us were not secret gays or bis, at least back then. Most of the glitter rockers were 100% straight.
You really can’t go wrong with acting masculine, nor can you act too masculine.
There’s really no down side to masculinity unless you go overboard and end up incarcerated, injured, diseased, or dead, but even that is probably preferable to having women stomp on your balls your whole life. At least you die with your boots on and your head held high in defiant, rageful male pride takes no prisoners. This is how a man dies! With his back straight and his head held high!
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Many young men are going overboard on a hyper-masculine appearance but they don’t have anything to back it up; the mainstreaming of a full beard being a big trend today is one example
Listen LADIES. Every man sporting a rugged beard is not a gentleman who will protect you; he may very well be a wimp! And it’s most often true.
I respect Abraham Lincoln for sporting a beard because that fella actually EARNED it. Banning slavery was an unpopular opinion in the 1860s but Old Abe stood his ground. It makes me cringe to watch every hipster of our age dilute the beard’s legacy. Only GREAT men deserve to keep a beard. Period.
In my town, they are considered the NORM and many days pass and I don’t seen another clean-shaven man like myself.
As a self-confessed pogonophobe (someone who hates beards), I hate being surrounded by bearded weirdoes (no HOMO).
Now I’m not an advocate of shaving regularly. I personally like the HUNGOVER dude look who just has the right amount of stubble after three days max.
One of the BIGGEST disadvantages of sporting a beard: you can’t KISS a girl whenever you want. Most women are revolted by facial hair when it comes to kissing.
CLEAN-SHAVEN men get approached for kissing by women all the time. Break a proper aftershave and cologne and she’ll want to know what makes you STING so much!
Nice!
I sort of disagree. I think androgyne can be an effective way to present oneself and interact with the world. However, it is a fairly extreme way of being, and anyone choosing it has to really commit and genuinely achieve an almost God-like lack of fucks to give. Most men just can’t do it.
Only world-historical figures like the ones you mention or super-effeminate gay guys.
That’s another thing: you have to be indifferent to what women think of you. That means one of two things. Either you know you have such a high level of supreme awesomeness that you know they’ll be into you anyway or you just don’t swing that way.
It is for this reason that I admire and respect gay guys and drag queens. They know who and what they are, and they don’t give a fuck.
I think effeminate gay men are just acting natural. I really hate effeminacy in myself and in my friends and straight men in general, but I’m tolerant of it among gay men. It’s like fish swim, birds fly, and gay men act effeminate. Gay men acting effeminate is acting normal for them. Do you hate fish for swimming? Ok, then why hate gay men for acting effeminate. It’s what gay men do.