The Cultural Left: A Plague on the Left

The Plague of the Cultural Left Freakshow

When Trump came up with the Alt Left moniker to smear the Left and compare them with White Supremacists, what he meant by the Alt Left was simply the normative Cultural Left, or what we in the Alt Left call the Control Left or CNTRL-Left in reference to the keyboard suggestion in the name Alt Left. In fact, the Alt Left was formed in stark opposition to the Control Left and the Cultural Left, which we differentiate from the actual Left.

Unfortunately, here in the US anyway, the Cultural Left has become synonymous with the Left. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard people say, “I used to be on the Left, but I’m now on the Right” from young White men in the last ten years. You ask around and it turns out that the everything they hate about the Left is in fact the Cultural Left or what we would call the Fake Left.

The term Cultural Left is not a reference to Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory of the Frankfurt School, which is completely ridiculous.

Social Conservatives Make More Sense Than the Cultural Left Freakshow

On all of these matters, cultural conservatives make more sense than cultural liberals. Any time conservatives offer a better position than we do on just about anything, I consider this to be a complete failure of the Left. They’re not supposed to be better on even one important thing.

How the Left Stole the Anti-Science Mantle from the Right

As you will see below, the Right has adopted the views of the Left, while the Left has adopted the views of the Right. That’s appalling right there because our old views were correct, and theirs were wrong. Of course.

It is especially disturbing that the people Left, which has traditionally relied on science (indeed, Marxism itself is unwaveringly materialistic) have now become the anti-science folks (typically the purview of conservatives) while appallingly, conservatives are now known for a celebration of science, empiricism, reason, and logic, whereas the Left is now the realm of obscurantism, magical thinking, hatred of the empirical method, and a division of truth and facts into “good truths, facts, and science” and “evil truths, facts, and science.” It’s ridiculous.

There’s no such thing as hate truths, hate facts, or hate science, assuming the science is solid. Science cares nothing about morality or right and wrong. We are constantly confronted with uncomfortable truths about ourselves and the world around us. It is not the job of science to run away from the ugly truth towards some magical, feel-good lies.

Conservatives Promote Free Speech, Liberals Support Censorship?

It is equally appalling that the Right, traditionally champions of censorship and opponents of free speech, are now the free speech absolutists, while the Left, traditionally the hardline free speech crowd, is now the champion of mass censorship, banning, deplatforming, not to mention firing and career death for those with uncomfortable notions emanating from their free minds.

We surely did not vote for a celebration of Black criminals as saints and heroic figures. We didn’t vote for emptying the jails and prisons on the basis of, “Hey, let’s try it and see what happens.” On this matter, unfortunately, the conservatives are more right than we are.

But here we are offered two equally insane choices – on the Right, “Lock everyone up for life for spitting on the sidewalk!” and on the Left, “Let’s empty the jails and prisons just for the heck of it!” These are the only two choices one is offered.

The position of the Alt Left would be to say that one is as bad as the other and that the Middle Way (as the Chinese put it) is the best here and on most issues for that matter.

The Cultural Left Are Actually Victorian Prudish Sex-haters!

On the other hand, on cultural issues, it is better to say that the Alt Left is between the Cultural Left Freakshow (this is what we on the Alt Left call the Cultural Left) and what we see as the prigs and prudes of cultural conservatism. It doesn’t help that the Modern Left has itself become culturally conservative, as prudish feminism has now infected that whole sector, and men (but only White men, mind you) are deemed automatically evil for the crime of wanting to have sex with women.

That this is the natural way women think is not at issue. What is at issue is why the distorted values of one sex (and this could apply to men too) should rule society. Instead, the Alt Left feels that sexual mores are best kept away from culture and especially the state into the private sphere.

What Is the Alternative Left?

How It Started

The birth of the movement came from my website via a view that I slowly developed over nine years. My initial political project was called Liberal Race Realism, but I eventually chucked it as a complete failure. The problem was that the only people who flocked to the Left’s premier liberal race realist site were…drum roll…racists! It became obvious over the years that people just can’t talk reasonably about race. Conversations immediately degenerate into slurs and the worst, most ugly racism. This led me to assume that rational discussions about race were impossible, which still may be the case.

One of the things I argued that was that we have two equally insane choices on race here in the US: the utterly lunacy, and increasingly, menace and toxicity of modern antiracism on one side and hardcore, ugly, nasty, vicious racism on the other. You have to pick one or the other. If you don’t buy the choice on the Left, you are angrily cast out and ordered to go join the Klansmen and Nazis. I did hang out with the racialist White blogosphere for a while, but I always felt out of place there too because I’m simply not a very racist person.

Nevertheless, I and another very early adopter Brandon Adamson who owns the altleft.com domain, did come out of the Alt Right. We had both been on the fringes of it for years but were both dissatisfied, me by the grotesque racism and Brandon by the Alt Right’s backwards and barbarous social conservatism, which offended him because he’s basically just another liberal, albeit with some unconventional views on race.

In this sense, the birth of the Alt Left was on the Alt Right, and the Alt Left is definitely an Alt Right split. Indeed, Brandon’s site was long titled, “The Alt Left – the left wing of the Alt Right.” In certain respects, this will always be true.

As far as the name goes, I have to hand it to the Nazis for that one. On the website The Right Stuff (Richard Spencer’s site) in the comments section of one article someone asked, “We know what the Alt Right is, but what is the Alt Left?” Someone responded, “The Alt Left is Robert Lindsay,” and linked to me. I saw it and it hit me right there. I had a name. Thank you, Nazis!

Brandon once said something I thought was very important. He said that one good thing about the Alt Right was that everything was up for grabs and nothing was off-topic for discussion. This included the stark truths about race, ethnicity, the sexes, and sexual orientation, and gender identity. On the Alt Right, there’s no policing for Crimethink.

Another early Alt Leftist, Ryan England, noted on Saryon of Arkkad’s show (no, the Alt Left does not claim Saryon, sorry!) that the early Alt Left even included some race realists. Saryon then noted that the Alt Left seemed to be about the search for the truth instead of the pretty lies everyone else wants to believe. If the truth is ugly, so be it. So is life. Move on. Ryan calls this “Renaissance values” meaning the early triumph of the empirical method over obscurantism, magic, religion, superstition, and resulting idiocy, or science over backwardness and barbarism.

Personally, in my writing about issues not related to my personal life, I almost follow the Categorical Imperative. Indeed, White culture itself, perhaps alone out of all other cultures, uniquely values honestly for no other reason than the social peace that results. Hence, it has become part of our White values and morals.

Of course, Whites lie like crazy just like all the other races, but I still think a lot of Whites feel an almost unique pang of guilt when they lie, particularly egregiously. Is this from our Christian values? From Classical culture and the Greeks? Of course there are good lies and bad lies and white lies and black lies, but in general, society seems to go smoother when there’s not a lot of egregious lying.

Hence the almost suicidal addition to the truth in my writing. I’ve always told my readers that I will never lie to them. If the truth looks bad for my side, so be it. If it looks good for the other guys, well, fine, perhaps we should adopt their views. I want to know the truth about what’s going on in the world. The problem is that especially in politics and particularly in geopolitics, truth is almost as uncommon as a rare Earth mineral. The daily news is a barrage lies from the media, political parties, the government, the corporations, Hell, just about everybody.

I look at that with dismay. I see the avalanche of lies and tell myself that I will ferret out the truth there one way or another. I don’t want to have any falsehoods in my head. Why is everyone so keen on believing all sorts of lies and nonsense and untruths? That seems like a yucky way to live. Hence I soldier on, as does the Alt Left. One wonders if Kant is smiling down on us as we tiptoe our way down the perilous trek to the pure truth of the categorical imperative. I like to think he’s wishing us along.

History of the Alt Left

The Alt Left truly took off a few years ago, and soon there were 18,000 members of Alt Left groups on Facebook. Also, following the tradition of Left movements, it quickly split into at least 14 different factions, wings, or splits, many of whom hated each other. I quickly renounced many of them, but movements can’t be patented or copyrighted, and the Alt Left will become whatever the Alt Left masses decide it is to become.

Brandon cheered on the factionalism at one point, and so did I. In fact, I coined an Alt Left saying, “Everyone form your own wing.” I didn’t mean that explicitly but instead meant it more in the sense of “Beyond a few hard lines, everyone mix and match whatever combination of Right, Left and Neither positions you like to form your own unique politics.” Nowadays this is banned in favor of extreme partisanship.

Want to be on the Left? Here is a checklist of 100 positions on issues, and you have to check the right box on each one. You missed one and only got 99 out of 100 correct? You get thrown out and ordered to go join the Right.

It’s apparently the same on the Right. We are now in the era of litmus tests with no end. Most people just pick a side, identify with it, and check every box the correct away without even thinking.

The Alt Left movement soon developed original thinkers, websites, and even a magazine. For a time there was talk of an Alt Left arts movement too.

The Realist Left

The Keynesians became grouped around some very smart folks at Social Democracy for the 21st Century blog.

They were mostly Keynesians with a few Modern Monetary Thinkers (MMT’ers) thrown in too. They were more left than the Alt Left on culture, and they caved early on Zionism. They despised true Left economics as failed.

They did a lot of great work on the intellectual background of the Cultural Left, which of course is postmodernism along with its top thinkers Lacan, Lyotard, Derrida, and especially Foucalt. That these folks are incomprehensible is hardly their only problem.

Much more problematic were their anti-scientific notions that there is no such thing as truth, facts, or science, and everyone’s view of these things is “correct for them,” and apparently therefore correct in general.

This movement decided to split from the Alt Left and become a project called the Realist Left. We are more to the right of them on culture but more left on just about everything else.

Alt Left Positions

Many position statements were put forth, and a lot of my original project was shot down by the Alt Left masses. Race realism was one of the first to go, rejected as too toxic to touch. Instead the movement went “agnostic” on race realism. It is tragic that agnosticism on race realism would now be considered a majestic triumph for us. We can’t even get the most rightwing Republicans to do that.

On foreign policy, my anti-imperialism was chucked in favor of non-interventionism, which is not much of a cave-in.

On economics, the Keynesians seemed to win out against people like Brandon and me. Indeed, the two early founders of the movement are practically Communists! Instead, the movement completely rejected the Hard Left, in particular on the grounds that this is where you find the worst of the Cultural Left types.

The Alt Left and the “Middle Way”

On culture, the Alt Left is in between the sheer insanity and weirdness of the Cultural Left and the stuffy prudes of the Social Conservatives. We think one is as bad as the other, but these are the only two items on the menu. We say they both taste awful and that the truth is instead the golden mean, or as the Chinese Taoists put it, “Everything in moderation.” So our cultural view would be between those extremes.

We do support the Democratic Party, because no matter how loony the Cultural Left is, I’d still rather have them in than Republicans, which are always a bane and are now frankly an openly authoritarian, and, yes, fascist party. Those who scoff should read Trotsky on fascism where he describes the immense appeal it has to the “ordinary man on the street” or “los descamisados” or “shirtless ones” in Peronist terms. It is its potential for extreme popularity with ordinary folks that is precisely what makes fascism so dangerous, he points out.

Borrowing from Ayman al-Zawahari of Al Qaeda, we on the Alt Left say the Republican Party is the “near enemy” and the Cultural Left is the “far enemy.”

In other terms, the Cultural Left is like a mosquito swarm, maybe one in Alaska. Annoying but hardly fatal and there’s always bug spray.

On the other hand the Republican Party is like a grizzly bear in your living room, and open and immediate menace.

Support for Tradition

Obviously we had to compromise on Zionism. Doesn’t everyone somehow? How does that work anyway? One of our best early thinkers was a Keynesian Israeli who was a super Zionist. One of my early principles was anti-Zionism, but we had to go agnostic on that one too. This man did add some good thinking to our project. One view of his that I like was, “Hey, what’s wrong with family values, anyway? History has shown us that this is what works.”

I concur with him. In fact, the Alt Left view on a lot of cultural issues is, “Your grandmother was right,” otherwise known as “the wisdom of the ages.” Every generation thinks it is reinventing the wheel, but they’re mostly rebelling without a cause. I figure that traditions are in place because our ancestors presumably already tried everything else, including most every crazy idea of the “out with the old” new generations, and found that most of this stuff didn’t work.

Through centuries of trial and error, not only did we learn which plants were toxic but we also learned about what works culturally and what doesn’t. What works became known as “our traditions.” Like them or not, they’re there for a reason, in most cases because even if they are lousy, they’re the least bad of the alternatives. We spit at our ancestors at our peril.

The Fake Definition of the Alt Left

I think one thing we ought to get out of the way first is what the Alternative Left, or Alt Left for short, is not.

Most people think the Alt Left is what Donald Trump and his Deporables (yes, the Alt Left considers them Deplorables but we have a unique take on them – see below) has called the Alt Left. After the Alt Right got bad publicity at Charlottesville, Trump tried to equate the Left with the Southern Reconstructionists, racists, and out and out Nazis at Charlottesville by implying that the Left was just as bad.

Personally, I think most at the rally were simply the first of the three above, and I think the lawsuit and conviction of the organizers was an outrageous breach of justice. Nevertheless, this sort of judicial malpractice seems to be happening to Whites in trials around the US wherever racial issues are at stake. Keep in mind that I don’t like the Charlottesville organizers. But fair is fair.

Delphi Murders Update May 4, 2022: A Family Member of a Victim Is a Suspect in the Murders

Sorry I have not been writing much lately, but we haven’t heard much new stuff worth reporting. Warning: Long, runs to 30 pages.

A Few Defenses of Our Group and Our Method

First of all, it is considered basic knowledge among those who follow this case that I have no idea what I am talking about.

First, it is not “I.” These theories are a result of a private group of more than 250 members, which at the moment even includes retired homicide detectives. You read that right. They were so impressed that they actually paid money to join us. Everything I write is a result of the work that my group has done. It’s not down to me at all. It is a result of a collaborative effort of over 250 people. I would also like to ask how many other groups have as many as 250 people all working together to try to solve this crime? I would imagine zero.

Second, it is claimed that I have said I had insider knowledge from Day One. This is not true, although I said many things in the past that I no longer believe. In fact, our main suspect for years turned out to be completely innocent. He’s a terrible person but he’s not a murderer. We have admitted we got it wrong on that, and we are ok with that. Homicide investigations often close in on false suspects.

Furthermore, we now renounce many of the things we have stated in the past. Those were things we used to believe but we no longer believe. We no longer believe these things because we think subsequent information has shown our earlier information to be completely wrong.

In the early days, “inside sources” were simply mostly locals who were close to the investigation. In other words, unverified rumors. We reported only unverified rumors for a long time because that is all we had access to. However, a couple of years into the case, we did obtain information from two police sources who we will not name. We also got data from someone close to a detective on the case.

Starting at the beginning of last year, we were able to cultivate new sources in LE and develop a personal relationship with them. They have given us a tremendous amount of information and have been very helpful.

In addition, we were finally able to obtain official case documents.

We also were able to conduct interviews of two female members of the search party.

As you can see, we reported that the abduction occurred at 2:13 PM on 2/13 and that police were looking for 43 seconds of audiotape, presumably recorded by the killer. About a year later, national media revealed those facts for the first time. But we reported it one full year before national media. So based on that it is clear that we have been publishing correct information about the case that is verified by official sources later on.

Keep in mind also that we are the only Delphi sleuthing group that has actual homicide detectives, working or retired, working closely with us. And they paid to join us. I’m not sure how many others can claim that. That right there implies that maybe people ought to listen to us. So you might want to give us a listen based on that right there. And these officers do not necessarily agree with our take on the case. In fact, they have been quite critical of some of our theories. This is good as these LE professionals are keeping us on our toes and forcing us to do good work.

I assure you that as the details about this crime become known, more and more of what we have said on here will be shown to be true. We were right in the past, and we will be right in the future. You ignore us at your peril.

We have been trashed from here to kingdom come for claiming that we have official case documents. But where do you think the information about 43 seconds of audio and the abduction happening at precisely 2:13 PM came to us? We acquired that directly from a case document that is sitting on the desk next to me right now. That document is signed by the FBI themselves. So you see, it’s now proven that we do have official case documents.

We have been attacked for not noting the role that the Klines played in this case. However, our case documents and the information from our police sources never mentioned either of these men. I’m inclined to believe that therefore they did not play a huge role in the crime, and they certainly were not among the killers. Perhaps police only started looking at these men lately.

We have not been able to contact our police source to see what they have to say about the Klines. However, the absence of news about them for five years implies to me that their role in the case is minimal, and that neither man was involved in the homicide.

I’ve also noticed that our best female sleuths were often older women aged 40-65. Women get a lot more sensible as they age, particularly after age 30, so perhaps a lot of young women are just too unhinged and touchy to do good detective work.

Experience has shown us that sleuths who use logic and have bad intuition skills make terrible sleuths. These are mostly men because men are better in logic and worse in intuition, women being the opposite. Some of our best sleuths have long been women. I finally figured out that it’s due to their intuitive skills.

The “pure logic” type says, “Hey, maybe there was a 1% chance that this (totally unlikely) thing happened instead of the much more likely 99% conclusion!” We have to hold up all of our efforts because some logichead can’t parse theories that don’t pass the smell test. Whereas the intuitive person says, “Wait a minute. That strange thing that has a 1% of chance of being true? Well, that didn’t happen! Instead, what happened was this 99% likely thing.”

Just to give you an example, it’s been painfully obvious since very early in this case that there was a social media connection. Remember what they said early on? “Be careful of what your kids do on social media.” Ever since then, anyone who suggested a social media connection on the case were shouted down in the most belligerent way. Almost all of the shouters were men.

When people asked them why LE officers would say such an odd thing if there was no social media connection, these boneheads came up with one lame excuse after another. These should be called “alternative facts.” In my field of science (I publish in peer-reviewed academic journals) we call these “ad hoc theories.” They’re considered pathetic. In evolutionary biology, this sort of nonsense is called “just-so theories.”

The Latest Charges against Us (Sigh)

They never quit, do they? This one from the toilet/sewer known as LibbyandAbby on Reddit, run by a female sewage plant worker named ATrueLady. There are many an execrable human being on there, and they have been absolutely useless as a source in saying anything intelligent about the case, as just about any theory gets shouted down by ferocious, vicious maniacs with 70 IQ’s. Total waste of time!

Anyway here is the latest. I Know You Are Watching RL, and If This Is True, You Are a Twisted Piece of Shit. Well, I am a twisted POS, that’s not up for debate. Ask anyone who knows me! Especially one of my exes! But the charge is that Julie Melvin sold the photograph from Libby’s funeral of Libby in her casket to me.

Well that’s not true. I have that photo, yes. My group has seen it. I asked my group if I should post it on here, but they shot it down as too offensive. The group makes a lot of the decisions on here, not me. It’s their group.

I have spoken to Julie Melvin on two separate occasions. She is indeed one of the finest local sources for information on this case. And she actually has a brain that works, unlike those subreddit monkeys. I do not recall how I acquired this pic, but I don’t think I got it from Julie. And why would she sell it? And if she sold it, why not keep a copy for herself? They’re not like physical photos, you know.

Of course I did not pay money for that photo. Someone gave it to me. The photo is out there and floating around and has been for some time. Many people have seen it. There’s not much to see. She actually looks rather calm and peaceful in her casket, though it’s sad of course. Have you ever been to an open casket funeral? Did everyone there freak out because they had the eeeeeeevil pleasure of seeing the body? Come on, people.

Here is another:

Presto Magic: He also recently said the dolls rumors and such are false. Acting like he never had them. Yeah I went back to look yesterday and I noticed he acted like the dolls thing wasn’t something he ever stood behind…even though he did

Presto Magic is a sewer rat who paid to join my group but hates me. I can’t block his access, but if anyone know what email or handle he uses on here, I will block any post he tries to make.

For the record, of course I never said that the dolls, etc. rumors are false. None of those rumors about the weird crime scene are false as far as I can tell. Where do people come up with this?

Dudes also a pedo or “hebefile” or whatever the f he calls it-

This crap is just so tiresome. Just for the record, I happen to be a teliophile, like 79% of all men, not that it matters, as there’s no shame in being a pedophile or hebephile, though I’m glad I didn’t get wired up hardcore pedophilic or hebephilic. I guess my attitude about guys like that, “It sucks to be you. Glad it’s not me.” I feel sorry for these men because the only way they can satisfy their sex drive is by breaking the law. How sad! 18% of men are hebephiles and 3% are hebephiles. I’m no more attracted to girls under 12 (pedophilic range) or 12-14 (hebephilic range) than any other man on this Earth.

People need to stop using the words “pedophile” and “hebephile” because 95% of the population are retards and don’t understand what the words mean so they use them incorrectly. For God’s sake, if you’re too dumb to use a word correctly, quit using it! The behavior you are thinking of is child molestation and the people you are thinking of are child molesters. Use those words instead. And condemn it till the cows come home. It won’t bother me.

I have a side practice as a psychological counselor, and one of the areas I specialize in is people who are troubled by thoughts of having sex with children or pubertal individuals. I’m an expert on the subject, and I get clients coming to me from all over the world because I am just that good. So that’s one reason I talk about this BS.

Yes, I talk about it a lot as I am very interested in human sexuality, and I’m also very upset about this insane moral panic and mass hysteria that has overtaken what used to be a rather mundane, so-what, shoulder-shrugging, or even snickering topic.

Sometimes I feel like my planet has been taken over by hysterical morons. It’s like they’re all pod-people. People didn’t have our present attitude towards this all to common behavior when I was growing up in the 70’s and 80’s. It’s like I’ve been projected into a future full of deranged, psychotic, dangerous assholes, which is the majority of idiot humans in the US right now. Moral panics are asinine.

All moral panics and mass hysterias disgust me, and I will post on all of this mass mentally disordered bullshit anytime I want.

This from a petulant, screeching, moon-mad loon named xanaxarita. It’s not just me who hates this cross, tempestuous harpy. No one likes this noisome, truculent, shrewish bird of prey. This battle axe is a drama queen and a prima donna with permanent PMS.

To my knowledge (I am having a difficult time finding the files in my notes – so don’t believe it until I do) he was sued by naming members of a Delphi family as POI’s. This led to the discovery that ‘Robert Lindsay’ is actually the persona of two individuals. His Blogger account was permanently deleted.

This is scurrilous. This is a lie started by an insane person named Eric Alter. He even produced some fake court documents from a court in Michigan. There was no discovery. There was no lawsuit over naming members of a family in Delphi as POI’s because I never named anyone in town as a POI at that time. There was no lawsuit against me filed by anyone involving anyone connected to this case. In fact, I believe I have never been sued at all even one time in my life! If you want to sue me, first you will have to find me and good luck with that! Many have tried and many have failed that quixotic quest.

I still have a Blogger account last time I checked. It has a warning on it, but you can still go there. As far as whether I am one person or two, I am not sure. Sometimes I think I am one person, and other times I think I am two people. Can someone help me out here and help me figure out who I am?

Yes, his attempts to normalize “childrens sex lives” is insidiously disgusting and dangerous.

I hear this garbage all the time, and I suppose I should address it. I’ve never attempted to “normalize children’s sex lives.” I have some opinions on the subject, but I’ve never really discussed them. I suppose the best answer is “children,” a term that applies to minors under age 13, should not have sex lives other than with themselves or childhood sex play because they have no sex drives. Anything other than that is either illegal or should be broken up by the parents. Childhood should be sexless.

I assume this person is referring to teenage girls age 13-17. Yes, I do attempt to normalize the sex drives and lives of teenage girls. They have strong sex drives and they often have sexual lives, either with themselves or with others. I have no problem with teenagers of either sex having sex lives either with themselves or with peers. And it is indeed normal. Teenagers aren’t little children. People who get outraged by minors having sex are Sex Fascists, prudes, prigs, sexhaters, and neo-Puritans. Which is the vast majority of this country by now.

this wasn’t a botched abortion attempt

A botched abortion attempt (except we don’t think it was botched) remains an unverified rumor. But it comes from the very best local sources.

He’s changed his poi a ton last year and there is no way any of them check all the boxes.

That’s not true either. Since the beginning of last year, we decided that the police had a main suspect, and that person was Mr. X. We have not named a single other main suspect since then. Our latest police source, a retired Delphi police officer, just affirmed this for us again a month or two ago.

He’s a sick dude with a history of dishing out defenses of hebephilia

I really prefer not to discuss this matter because the country is afflicted with mass retardation in the course of a moral panic and mass hysteria about this ridiculous issue. The whole country has been taken over by the Sex Fascists.

However, according to the American Psychiatric Association, hebephilia is not a mental disorder. That is, it is not disordered behavior. Even more than that, the APA stated that it is not even abnormal! That is, hebephilia is completely normal at least as a way of thinking. On the other hand, if you act on these feelings, the APA pointed out that you are breaking the law here in the US and you are a criminal.

If you disagree, take it up with the APA!

RL is a messed up individual that posted all sorts of “inside information” from special “sources.”

We tire of this. It is true that in previous years, we did use language like this, though not precisely those. However, we do in fact in have inside information in the form of testimonies from search party members, official case documents, and LE sources who leak to us. We do consider that inside information, and all of those are sources.

However I think that Robert Lindsay has a bad source, and he is very gullible.

We don’t have a bad source (we have very few anyway), and I’m not gullible at all. Quite the opposite.

He was banned from Webslueths in just one day just a few months after the murders.

Correct, there were rumors involving a sexual angle and a lot of rumors about what sort of injuries the girls suffered. I repeated those rumors. The female who runs the place is an unhinged, waspish hysteroid who is constantly screaming and yelling and flying off the handle. Not only that but the site is worse than useless. So I was banned for discussing some of the rumors about the case, rumors which have now been shown to be true, by the way.

I just assumed no one paid attention to that guy anymore after his “crime scene” photo was proven fake.

Those are not my crime scene photos. Those were developed by a physicist. I happen to think that some of his analysis is correct. I think my graphic arts woman just colored in parts of it. And it hasn’t been proven fake, sorry. It’s blown up straight from the helicopter footage.

RL thinking KAK stumbled upon a burner phone stuck in a tree and finds the murders on video and decides to sell it.

We do not say this anywhere below, nor do we believe this is what happened. We think Abby’s phone was probably recovered by LE. The part about hiding it in a tree is an unverified rumor. KAK selling a snuff film of the murders for Bitcoin is also an unverified rumor, but it’s a strong local rumor, and a number of these have panned out. We don’t know if there is a tape of those murders floating around anywhere or if anyone sold it for money. We just think it is an interesting theory to explore.

His main POI has been PB/ Mr. X since the beginning. But now to fit the narrative he has added in others

Nope! We didn’t have one for a long time, then we got hooked on someone I will call Mr. A. He’s clearly one of the worst human beings out there, and I’d be perfectly happy if he took off permanently. That’s if the Earth would not reject his body being placed in it.

On the other hand, this foul creature did not murder those girls, sorry. Mr. A was our main POI for a couple of years, and then the site was shut down. It was shut down for some intemperate comments I made about feminists, by the way, not about anything else. I hate those women so much it scares me.

At one point we realized that Mr. A was not BG. We never once named Mr. A on even a single occasion although everyone claimed we were fingering him. On the other hand, the guy was making videos where he openly claimed to be BG, so perhaps you can forgive us a bit.

Starting at the beginning of last year, we started to think that the police had a main suspect, Mr. X. That’s what we’ve been reporting ever since. We added in three peripheral suspects who may or may not have known or been in on the murder plot because our police source told us that these three young men were suspects in the crime, that’s why. Not to fit some narrative.

Robert Lindsay just likes to make things up.

We don’t make up anything. I have a BA in Journalism, and I’m a published author, as in, published in books and peer-reviewed academic journals. Journalists are not allowed to make stuff up. If you get caught doing that, it’s as bad as scientific fraud. You just ruined your reputation forever. Remember the reporter for the Washington Post who made up a post about some ghetto Black woman and her travails? Logically, she should never be allowed to work again. That’s how serious it is. Not to mention it’s a breach of ethics, and I take journalistic ethnics seriously.

He paints Kline to be a passive choirboy

I never said he was a good person. He was caught distributing some pretty gross CP, the really bad kind. That’s a pretty serious offense. All I said is that I don’t think he has it in him to kill those girls. The personality is completely wrong. There’s no fit. You have to jam a square peg in a round hole, and it’s never going to fit.

He has also a terrible thing about family of the victims. He deleted it after he was attacked by a handful of female readers.

I’m not aware that I’ve dissed these families on this public site in any way, not that they don’t deserve to be dissed. If you want to hear me dish it out about family members and everyone else under the sun, please feel free to join the private site! There’s nothing wrong with saying negative things about these families, and in fact, that’s often all you can say about them if you’re going to be truthful. The half of them who haven’t been in prison make up for it by going to jail.

That said, I can’t remember saying any particular thing about any particular family member. I think Mike and Becky Patty are pretty upstanding people, and I’ve never said anything about Anna Williams. Someone please tell me this terrible thing I said.

The worst part about him is that I think in the beginning he had some type of source. He knew about the 2:13 time stamp and 43 seconds of video way early on….but then I am assuming whoever was giving him info realized how….*different*…. he is and stopped doing it.

Nope. That information comes from an an official FBI case document that we somehow got our hands on. And our police sources come to me by way of one person to another person to another person to me. None of them talk directly to me. We have 250 members, remember?

even though many times he contradicts himself and says the opposite.

I don’t think I contradict myself on here. I don’t like people who do that.

I mean, his theories keep shifting. It’s like the end of the world cults who keep having to amend their apocalypse date when the apocalypse embarrassingly doesn’t happen.

Our theories do change from time to time. That’s called, you know, changing your mind? Detectives change their minds and theories all the time. Our theories changed because police, case documents, and search party members gave us new information that forced us to change our minds.

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Below, bold text means verified information in some way or another, in many cases via police sources, search party members, and and official case documents we obtained.

The Klines

In our opinion, the roles of Kegan and Tony Kline are a complete red herring. These guys were not involved. However they may be connected to someone involved or being used as bait to find someone involved.

A CP Snuff Film?

The only argument I have heard that made sense about Kline came from a local, said to be a deep rumor in town. These rumors sometimes turn out pretty good! He said that the murders were videotaped and the video was put out somehow. Kline got a hold of it and was selling on his Dropbox site where he had all the CP. He was selling it for Bitcoin and he made a ton of Bitcoin off of this snuff film. The film would be CP probably due to its nature if the girls were unclothed. If not, it would presumably not be CP.

There are rumors that it can be found on the Dark Web. I’m too scared to go down there because of all the CP, but maybe I need to get over it. The problem is that if one of us finds this movie and watches it, we’ve apparently broken the law right there because it’s illegal to even look at this stuff, I guess because it destroys your eyeballs or something.

I can’t think of one other  thing in the whole world that it is illegal to even look at. The very idea that it can be illegal to look at any damn thing in the universe is quite bizarre, but sex fascists have never made sense. What’s the law called? Illegal looking? Anyway, they ought to make an exception in this case at least for those of us investigating this crime.

There has long been a rumor that the crime was videotaped. I have a search warrant here that says that they are looking for film, cameras, videorecorders, videotapes, etc. They would only be looking for that if it played a role in the crime. The only way it could play a role in the crime is if the rumors about it being captured on tape are real. The rumor is that the video was sent to Abby’s phone after the murders.

An argument is that Abby did not have a phone. This comes from her Mom. She had a phone she was hiding from her Mom. It was a burner phone. There’s a rumor that she stuck it in a tree somehow after they were captured. Anyway it was recovered. Both of these girls were lying to their guardians about all sorts of things.

A female accomplice of the murderer Garrett Kirts said she had seen this video.

After the murders, Kline made a hurried trip to Las Vegas. That’s where he was getting his really bad CP from. Presumably that was his connection for the murder tape too.

Kline is a passive guy and in the tapes, the cops say numerous times that they know he didn’t do it. He mostly never even met any of these girls. He just wanted nudes. He met a 12 year old girl in a park a couple of times, but all he did was talk about the weather. I presume that is still legal as the sex fascists haven’t gotten around to banning it yet.

This is not a man of action. This is a passive man, a voyeur, a guy who likes to watch. A masturbator, in other words. That’s his basic relationship to the sexual world, as a watcher and an onanist. Both are very passive activities. No way on Earth does a guy this passive murder two girls.

I’m not saying he was good person. That’s a matter for you to make on your own. I don’t make moral judgements on here. I’m just saying that there’s no way that Kegan Kline murdered those girls.

Plus the body types, heights, and weights of both father and son are way off, too tall and way too fat. Everyone thinking they are BG is trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

It appears that another man also using the anthonyshots profile may be either the killer or linked to him.

Police Played the Entire Murder Tape for Mr. X

First of all, I can now confirm that police played the entire tape of the crime to Mr. X. This tape is presumably from Libby’s phone. They wanted to know if he could identify the voice on the tape. Apparently they think the voice is his own. This is a rumor but it came to us from someone close to Mr. X who strongly defends him. We asked this person if Mr. X could have committed the murders and he said, “You don’t understand! That’s not like him!” In other words the friend’s opinion is that Mr. X didn’t have it in him to commit these crimes.

The friend also said that the murder tape was played for a number of suspects. We don’t believe that is true. However, apparently it was played for Mr. X. We think the fact that the entire murder tape was played for Mr. X to get him to identify the voice on the tape is quite significant.

2:13, 2-13, 2, 13: “The Killer May Have an Unusual Fascination with Numbers”

Remember when the police said that the killer may be fascinated by numbers? We think this is why.

The abduction occurred at exactly 2:13 PM. The search warrant makes a note of that. Obviously this guy is playing games with numbers. The girls were killed on the date 2-13. Two girls were killed, both about 13 years old. Etc., etc. This also implies that he came from the south side of the bridge after passing them to time it that well. The killer appears to be playing games with numbers. We think he’s just messing with us in a similar way that the Zodiac Killer was. We assume he likes toying with the police, presumably for kicks.

One Girl Definitely Died No More Than Three Hours before Being Found

Our recent information is that the rumor of Abby’s body being still warm at the time of discovery is true. If so, presumably she was not attacked at 2:30 PM the previous day. The body loses temperature at 1.5 degrees/hour. A body is only warm up to about 80 degrees. Below that it starts to feel cold to the touch. Therefore, she died no earlier than 10 hours before she was found (2:30 AM) or possibly even earlier than that.

A drone with thermal imaging flew over the dump site and found nothing. Those girls would have shown up if they were there. In addition, searchers swore they searched the dump site. Obviously the girls were not at the dump site that evening.

Both Girls Were Quite Possibly Removed from the Scene and Returned Later, Probably Early AM the Next Day

So where were they? We don’t know, but clearly they were removed from the scene. And taken where? When the FBI was talking to local landowners, they asked about outbuildings and guns. This implies a gun and an outbuilding were both used in the crime. Now Carter’s “shack” comments start to make a lot more sense. Perhaps they were secreted to a shack for some time.

Evidence That a Gun Was Used in the Crime

Also, a gun was clearly used in the crime because in the search warrant we have that is signed by the FBI, it says they are looking for a gun to do ballistics tests on it. The gun is a Sig Sauer 229 from 1991. Yes, our group has a search warrant issued in the case. That’s an older model that may not even be registered. They would only look for that gun if they had a casing from the crime scene. So a gun was clearly discharged at the scene, but neither girl had a gun wound.

Rumor of a Scalpel Being Used in the Crime

There is a rumor that a scalpel was used in the crime. It was said to be left at the scene. For a while there, there was a photo of this scalpel floating around, supposedly recorded at the crime scene. Apparently the photo is genuine. If the photo is genuine, than a scalpel was absolutely used in the crime. An excellent local source, a 50 year old woman, was posting that crime scene photo for a while. We can’t find that photo at the moment.

One Girl May Have Been Disemboweled to Remove Evidence of a Pregnancy

According to a rumor, this was used to, uh, disembowel one of the girls. We are trying to validate if this occurred right now. If this occurred, presumably this was done in an attempt to remove her uterus to remove the evidence of a pregnancy or perhaps as a message to her about the pregnancy, the former theory being more likely. We don’t know that this organ was removed. The entire disembowelment scenario is unverified rumor, but the sources are three of the best locals.

According to our police sources, determination was made at autopsy that one girl was in the early stages of pregnancy. Normally, you want a uterus to make that determination because in the first couple of months of pregnancy, the walls of the uterus thicken. That’s how you tell. However, they may also have done a blood test on her, and pregnancy shows up on a blood test. In addition, based on the levels revealed in the test, one can determine approximately how far along in the pregnancy the female was.

The Key to the Whole Crime Is: A Girl Was Pregnant

According to our police sources, a girl was pregnant by a 20 year old and was refusing to get an abortion. The man who impregnated the girl is not a suspect in the crime, but some of his friends are.

This girl went to “bonfire parties” popular in the area. There are many teenagers and young adults at these nighttime parties with no adult supervision. They occur in fields. There is a lot of drug and alcohol use at these parties and possibly some sex too. This girl also started going to “drug parties,” apparently where adults were present, as early as age 12. Her cousin was taking her to these parties. The girl’s guardian found out about it and forbade the girl from associating with the cousin.

We do not think this girl going to these drug and alcohol parties where adults were present makes her a bad person, though we are sorry she may have started using so young. But this is also extremely common nowadays. The source for this is the 40 year old woman mentioned below.

Both girls were worldly beyond their years. In order for the pregnancy theory to make sense, certain things would have to be true about these girls, for instance, they would have to be sexually active. Hence it was unfortunately necessary for us to make some personal inquiries about these girls. One of our sources, a 40 year old woman and former nurse with a young son, told us that both girls were sexually active in terms of PIV sex. Therefore, a pregnancy was possible with either of them.

These girls were lying to their guardians about all sorts of things. We get all sorts of crap about talking about this from the sex fascists and the neo-Puritans and sex-haters, but we now have it from two separate police sources that a girl was pregnant, and  in fact, this is the key to the whole case. We don’t having sex makes these girls bad people because lots of young teenage girls do this.

Teenage girls have sexual drives (very strong ones) and sexual lives, and it’s not uncommon for  girls to listen to their bodies and act on nature’s prerogative. It may be stupid, but it’s not wrong, and it’s quite normal biologically. Teenage girls are not bad people for having sex with men or with anyone for that matter!

Our police sources told us that the bizarro crime scene was set up before the crime in order to lure the girl out there and terrorize her into getting an abortion. Three young men set up the weird crime scene. All of them are suspects, but their line is they were just trying to scare the girl, not kill her. It is possible that they played only a peripheral role in the crime, possibly a noncriminal one. Keep in mind that when I say suspects, police don’t know if they played a role in the actual crime or not. That’s up in the air. Possibly there were two events, both verified by the police:

  1. The setting up of a weird scary scene in the woods to scare a girl, involving three young men.
  2. The homicide of two girls utilizing in part this scary crime scene, involving at the moment only a single suspect, a middle aged man.

It’s perfectly possible that the three young men in the first event knew nothing about and had nothing to do with the second event. Hence the notion of “Too many people involved; one would have talked by now” is not true. Police only think that one person killed the girls at the moment, hence according to them, there was one person in on the murder plot, not four. You follow?

I assume it’s not against the law to scare someone but the police state fans and cop-lovers are getting around to it, don’t worry. We have a retired police homicide detective in our group, and he agreed that this attempt to scare a girl was probably not against the law.

The police told us that Mr. X then got involved and took it to a completely different level and murdered the girls. But we still don’t know whether these young men were in on the murder plot. Maybe they were, maybe they were not.

A Facebook conversation between two young men along the lines of:

“She was only 14. I only nutted in her once.”

is said to be the key to the whole crime. Perhaps you remember that conversation that took place at 11:30 AM on the day of the crime.

Anyway, if you want the key to the whole crime in one sentence it is this:

A girl was pregnant.

A Family Member of One of the Girls Is a Suspect, Though Not the Main Suspect, in the Murders

I can now reveal that the police have told us that a family member of one of the girls is absolutely a suspect in this crime. We will call him Mr. C. He is not the main suspect, Mr. X, who is definitely thought to have played a role in the murders.

Instead, it is known that he helped set up the creepy crime scene, but it is not known that he had any involvement in the murders. He is only a suspect because police do not know if his involvement was peripheral and non-criminal or if he was involved in the homicide plot. As we have stated a number of times, police only have one suspect, a middle aged male, Mr. X, who they think committed the murders. The involvement of the other three men is completely up in the air.

He was close to one of the victims, so it’s hard to see how he was in on killing her. There are also rumors that he had “an inappropriate relationship” with his relative, one of the victims. You are free to determine for yourself what that might mean.

I can’t tell you their name, but I will say that it is a male and a member of the extended family of one of the girls. I can also say that he is not an older man over 40. So that ought to rule out some people. So rumors of family involvement on some level were not completely off.

The Mysterious Role of Young BG

According to our police sources, one of the young men who set up the weird crime scene is also very close to Mr. X. It is not known if he just set up the weird scene or if he went beyond that and participated in the murders. This man is also said to be “the catfish boy.” I’m not sure how this makes sense because it seems Anthony Shots is the catfish boy.

Young BG is a composite of the catfish boy. Young BG may have been seen at the south side of the bridge at 12:30 PM by a woman who said he had dark and evil eyes.

The murderer or the main suspect is absolutely not Young BG, nor is he 18-40 years old. As noted, he is a middle aged man. Old BG is not a good sketch of the killer either. All people could see was the top of his face, and the artist filled in the rest.

Police Are Lying When They Say the Main Suspect is Young BG, a Male 18-40 Years Old

So neither composite represents the main suspect. I have no idea why police are lying and saying the main suspect is a young man aged 18-40. We think they might be trying to play a trick on the killer.

The Girls May Have Been Returned to the Site Early on the 14th, at 2-3 AM

The killer is said to be very strong because one girl, who was quite heavy, was dragged quite some distance. If the girls were brought back later, perhaps they were brought back after 2 AM on the 14th because Libby’s phone mysteriously turned on and pinged the bridge at that time. Also, shortly after that, people heard terrible screams. The story is “those were kids bouncing on a trampoline,” but that doesn’t pass the smell test for all sorts of reasons.

Two Police Sources Have Now Fingered Mr. X as the Main Suspect

We now have another police source who verified to us that Mr. X is the main suspect in the murders themselves. A team member befriended a retired Delphi police officer. The team member said, “I think Mr. X is the suspect.” The retired officer said, “I’d say that’s a pretty good guess.”

We Believe That Leaker’s Information Is Good

So now we have two officers fingering him in addition to Leaker, who we regard as quite accurate.

By the way, I have spoken to Leaker, and I can vouch for his credibility. His statements came from case documents run off by his wife who worked at a courthouse. She allowed him to release the information shortly before her death. He’s a fundamentalist preacher, very straight-laced and moralistic, and hardly has been known to tell a lie or even do much of anything bad. We don’t think he’s lying. He’s not the type. Further, all of his info that we have been able to test has checked out.

A Large Bladed Weapon Was Used to Kill One Girl

The retired officer also told us that one girl was killed with a “large sharp object,” which he described as either a sword or a machete. We thought it might have been a hatchet because local police chased a couple of hatchet criminals all across the country. Why else chase hatchet criminals?

One girl received a grievous wound to her neck with this object. I can affirm that because I spoke to the girl’s guardian who saw the wound. Also, I have a photo from the funeral of the girl in a casket with a large scarf around her neck, which we will not be releasing for obvious reasons. The guardian told me they put that scarf on the girl.

Serious Problems with Our Police Sources: They Are Afraid to Talk to Us Anymore

We have having a lot of problems getting new information out of our main police sources because they are getting paranoid of talking to us. They have told us that there is an investigation going on into who is leaking to us. They mostly talk to us in riddles now. They only speak in terms of hypotheticals, questions, and theories. They don’t come out and state anything as a fact. Everything is very vague and a bit mysterious.

It is up to us to put this jumbled up mess together and try to make some sort of sense of it. We think we did it right, but for sure they are not being straightforward. In this way perhaps they insulate themselves from leaking charges.

I would like to point something out. If there is an investigation going on into who is leaking to us, two things must be true:

  1. Police read this website and regard at least some of the information here as accurate.
  2. Our police sources are giving us good information because if they were telling us nonsense, LE would not care who was talking to us. They’d only investigate who was leaking to us if our information was good. Think about it.
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