Let me remind you of your glory days on WordPress. Does Ukraine not have the right to secede from the USSR? You can counter with does not Donbass and Crimea have the right the to secede from Ukraine? Maybe if that was their intention. But Crimean and Donbassian independence just seam like cover Russian irridentism. Look maybe they do belong to Russia in a common sense way. Again, it doesn’t excuse for bombing Kiev.
Why don’t we just lob a few fucking nukes at Moscow then to stop the war? Perfectly justified IMO. Let’s nuke Xi and Our Dear Leader while we’re at it The ends justify the means up to a point.
Ukraine did secede from the USSR. Done.
Nope. Russia doesn’t want the Donbass.
Crimea was Russian forever. It was never Ukrainian. It got moved from one part of the USSR to another part of the USSR. It didn’t get put in another country. And when Ukraine went independent, immediately Crimea held a referendum and said they wanted not to be part of Ukraine and either wanted to be independent or part of Russia. And the Ukrainian nationalists came in right away and threatened to kill every Russian in Crimea. This is an old problem. Ukraine ignored the poll and Russia didn’t push the matter for 14 years.
If Russia’s irridentist, why didn’t it demand that Crimea go free right away? Why did they ignore the independence poll? Russia wanted to keep Crimea Ukrainian as long as possible because things go smoother that way. In 2104, the US and NATO went in and did a violent coup called Maidan and overthrew a Democratically elected president. And they murdered a whole bunch of people in the process.
The reason for the coup was because the president said he was going to enter an economic alliance with Russia. The reaction of the US to that was a violent, murderous coup and the installation of radical Ukrainian ultranationalist fascists and Nazis. Since 2014, Ukraine has been home to a psychotically anti-Russian government that has baited and attacked Russia every chance it got.
As soon as the NATO Nazis came in, they immediately said they were going throw Russia out of her only warm water port in Sevastopol and turn it into a NATO naval base. Well, Russia can’t lose that port and have it turned over to her enemies. So she went in and grabbed Crimea and “annexed” it, but it’s never been anything but Russian anyway.
A referendum was held and 9
There is no irridentism in Donbass. The Donbass people revolted when the murderously anti-Russian regime came in. They overthrew bases and police stations and armed themselves. I was on websites at the time where people were in deep with both Moscow and Donbass people. For a long time, Russia refused to help Donbass. The sites were full of cursing at Russia for not helping. Eventually when the Ukies started killing them, Russia helped them with “the military surplus store” and sent a lot of older out of date equipment to the Donbass.
But Russia was not happy with the successionism from the start, and they said so. People on the sites kept repeating that Russia doesn’t want Donbass to go independent and they think the whole thing has turned into a huge mess. They thought it was too destabilizing. From the very start Russia pushed for Donbass to be part of a federal Ukraine with autonomy.
That’s all Russia ever wanted. The Minsk accords created that federal Ukraine. Ukraine agreed to implement the Minsk accords that they signed and then they refused to honor them for seven years while they shelled the cities of the Donbass, killing many civilians. The US ordered Ukraine not to implement the accords.
There is no independent Ukraine. Ukraine is just a NATO cat’s paw to pummel Russia with. They have no independence. They follow every order the US and NATO gives them. I assume that if a Ukrainian President starts defying the US and NATO, we will probably just have him murdered. That’s what the US typically does in cases like this. So Zelensky obeying orders from the US while we point a gun to his head.
The US and Ukraine angrily rejected federalism (Why? It works great in Switzerland and Spain) because they wanted to start a war in the Donbass with the eventual hope of baiting Russia into attacking so they could lower the hammer on them. At one point, Russia did send in some troops, but they never admitted it. The war ended with a cease fire, and the Russians all went home except for some OMON (Russian military intelligence) people and some advisors.
Nevertheless NATO and Ukraine have been lying and saying it’s been the Russian Army fighting in Donbass all these years.
They held a referendum in the Donbass and 8
They have way too many problems with the people and land that they have and they don’t want or need anymore land. Also the Donbass is a ruined hellscape and an economic basketcase. Russia would have to spend billions to rebuild it and they don’t want to do that. Even now with the recognized independence, Russia still doesn’t want them to join Russia.
South Ossetia, Abkhazia, and Transniestria have been agitating to join Russia for fifteen years ever since they went free. Russia has refused to let any of them join Russia.
How the Hell is Russia irridentist if all these regions keep clamoring to join and Russia keeps telling them to get lost? This idea of Russian irridentism, Russia trying to conquer new land, Russia trying to reform the USSR, is all crap. I’m on sites with people deep in with Kremlin leadership for years now and we never heard one word of this. All we hear is, “Russia doesn’t want to annex any land.”
Putin has dealt with the recreating the USSR canard many times. He has said that the fall of the USSR was a tragedy, but what’s done is done, and it’s time to leave it. He keeps saying we have no interest in recreating the USSR.
With this overwhelming evidence that Russia has no irridentism, does not wish to conquer and annex new land, and does not with to reform the USSR, how can you keep insisting that this is true. Just because the liars in the West keep screaming that this is true doesn’t mean it is. I’ve been studying this forever with an open mind and the answer is clear to me: the nations and media of the West are all lying their fool heads off. Or maybe they actually believe this crap. But if they had decent intelligence services, they’d know it was nonsense.
Why do we have a right to lob nukes at Russia or China. This war has absolutely nothing to do with the US or anyone in the West. What relationship does the US have with Ukraine? Nothing. No treaties, no nothing. Just a bunch of Goddamned Nazis we use as a club to beat Russia with. It’s not our fight. You can’t attack a country that’s not attacking you or a threat to you. We have no right to “go in there and stop any war.” Wars will go on until the warring parties sort it out. You don’t get to go in and attack some country that never did anything to you “to stop a war.” That’s BS.
They have perfect right to invade Kiev and go in there and clean out those Nazis. Putin sees this as 1939 all over again. If Russia could have stopped them in 1939, they should have. He sees it as 1939 now and 1942 at some point in the near future and he’s correct. He wants to nip this in the bud before it gets more out of control and dangerous than it already is.