Different Types of Child Pornography: Under 13 (Kiddie Porn) and 13-17 (Teen Porn)

Teenage girl CP is completely different from the little kiddie kind.

First of all, most people would not be freaked out seeing teenage girl porn. In many cases, they would probably assume it was legal because it doesn’t look any different from adult porn. Even where they obviously not 18, it doesn’t have that creeptastic shock factor that throws you out of your seat. Also even in those cases, the girls have an adult sex drive (which makes all the difference), and they typically look like they are enjoying themselves.

So who’s harmed by this stuff? The typical argument is that child porn is “the record of a crime.” That’s not controversial, but if so, why aren’t videos showing murder and beheadings illegal too?

Arguments against Child Porn (Pornography of Children under 13 or “Kiddie Porn)

  1. It is the record of abuse. In a lot of cases, that’s not even true, but in other cases, it is.
  2. By being out there and people possessing it, it creates more demand. I agree with that.
  3. The child is harmed every time someone downloads a photo of her CP. This seems dubious. What if she doesn’t even know it’s out there? Even if she does, does she get a notification every time someone downloads her movie? How does that work? If it gets downloaded 1,000 times, how is she anymore harmed than if it’s downloaded one time? She isn’t.
  4. The child did not consent to having their CP spread far and wide all over the Internet. I’m sure that’s true in most cases, so that’s quite a violation, one that can follow the child until adulthood if they know their CP is still floating around out there.
  5. The more pedophiles look at this stuff, the more it arouses them to actually molest. That’s not a good argument and the limited studies we have shows that legal CP makes rates of molestation go down.
  6. A lot of this stuff is not consensual but forced or coerced. That’s a good argument, but would videos of a rape also be illegal. How about videos of a murder? But that kid should be protected from having his abuse put out there for everyone to see. No argument there.
  7. This stuff is just weird, freaky, and gross. I would certainly agree there. If you’ve ever seen this stuff, there’s a yuck factor involved that’s hard to put into words.
  8. The victim was a kid when it happened, kids need to be protected from having crimes committed against them broadcast for all to see, and the depiction of the crime is against the law in the first place. You’re not allowed to take pictures of this crime, while you probably could of most other crimes. This is an argument to show how the photographing of the crime of child molestation is different from the photographing of other serious crimes, such as battery, homicide, etc. Also the others are adults and presumably they could handle their victimization being out there better than a kid could.

What about Teen CP?

Almost all of the above arguments fall apart when you talk about teen CP. Show me one argument that still holds up when we apply it to teens.

  1. It is the depiction of a crime, typically statutory rape. Sure we can photograph other crimes, but this is one crime we cannot photograph because photographing this crime is illegal itself.
  2. It’s yucky, awful, and horrible – it’s upsetting to the senses. The yuck factor argument here falls apart because I imagine a lot of doesn’t even look yucky. Does it look any different from “barely legal” porn out there? Probably not. Even where they look underage, though it does look weird and somewhat disturbing to me, it’s not on the same level as real CP, which almost flings you out of your chair when you see it.
  3. Although most of this activity is probably consensual, some may be forced. Now we get into the argument of whether videos of rapes would be legal. But once again, this is one crime we are not even allowed to photograph, whereas we can photograph just about any other crime, I assume.
  4. If men looked at teen CP, this would arouse them to go out and have illegal sex with teens. That’s dubious, and it’s not the end of the world even if it does happen. In European countries, the age of consent is 14 or 15, and there’s no epidemic of older men hanging out outside high schools to prey on the girls. Nor is there much in the way of 14 and 15 year old girls having sex with older men. 15 year old French girls are capable to telling men to get lost. In other words, just legalizing something doesn’t necessarily increase the rate of it.
  5. The teen did not consent to having their porn all over the Net. Unfortunately, that’s probably not even true in most cases. In most cases, they probably made this stuff themselves as almost all of the teen CP out there is made by girls themselves and their boyfriends. Then they put it up on the Net and apparently don’t care if it goes far and wide, and it can’t go too far and wide anyway.
  6. The teen is harmed every time someone downloads the video. This suffers from the same flaw as the real CP argument, with the added factor that the girl probably doesn’t even feel harmed by the material in the first place as she produced it herself.
  7. By being out there and people looking at it, it creates more demand for the product. I’m not even sure that’s hard to prove because it teen CP doesn’t appear to be a commercial enterprise, probably because it’s so hard to tell it from real porn. Anyway there doesn’t appear to be much of a market for it anyway.
  8. Teen CP is the record of abuse. That’s probably almost never true unless it’s coerced and porn with adult women who were coerced would also be a record of abuse. There’s nothing “abusive” about adults having sex with teens.
  9. It is the record of a crime. Once again, why are homicides of beatings, homicides, presidential assassinations, etc. legal then? Those are records of crimes.

Good Arguments to Keep Teen CP Illegal (with Some Modifications)

I would not be opposed to teens having these photos and videos of each other. Millions of them already do and mostly nothing happens to them. All of the above arguments fall apart in the case of teens keeping porn of each other.

But then it should be restricted. I would say you can have it in your possession, but you can’t distribute it, say put it up on the Internet or sell or give away DVD’s of it. This would seriously limit the spread because how much can anything spread if it’s not on DVD or the Net? Hardly at all. But one thing I dread is going on the Porn Net and getting bombarded by offers to go to sites featuring 16 and 17 year old girls! Because as soon as you make that stuff legal, pornographers, being the sleazeballs that they are, are going to flood the Net within weeks with underage girls naked and soon enough in full hardcore porn.

If you put teen porn up on the Net for everyone to see for commercial purposes, you can and should go to jail. Most of this stuff is distributed in discreet networks that are hard to get to if you don’t know exactly where they are. Teen porn posted in these networks stays where it is. It’s almost all made by teenage girls themselves either alone or with their boyfriends. As long as it’s not spreading wildly to the wide-open web and staying on secretive channels, I don’t see the harm.

But how are you going to differentiate between keeping it on discreet channels and putting it out there for all to see? I have no idea. The main purpose of prosecution ought to be to keep teen porn off the Web in the sense that it is outside of the eyes and ears of your average person. You also need to keep it off of all large commercial, ad-supported, or porn video sites like PornHub. But how do you hold PornHub liable for teen porn it’s users put up there? You can’t. But where the girl is obviously not 18, you could make a case that PornHub should be liable if there is a complaint. You can’t expect them to sort through all the videos, but you can expect them to look at anything that generates complaints.

Society doesn’t want men approaching underage teen girls on the Net and trying to get photos and videos out of them. That the girls willingly hand this stuff out is no matter. This is just something society doesn’t like, along the lines of statutory rape. The penalties ought to be similar to statutory rape instead of CP. It’s hard to argue that having a video of a teenage girl having sex is 5-10X worse than actually having sex with her, but this is what the law will say. I’d want to make the penalties strict enough to deter men from doing this though.

What about adults in legal relationships with teens who have photos and videos of the teen, even in sex acts. It’s even harder to make an argument that this should be illegal or that it’s even CP. It’s legal to have with this girl every day for a year, but if you snap a picture of her naked, you get 10 years? That’s just getting weird. I suppose I would argue that the “personal possession ok, distribution illegal” argument ought to apply here. If it’s legal to have sex with a girl, it ought to be legal to take sex photos and videos of her for your own personal use. The law might require that you prove you were in a relationship with her.

Teens who take videos and photos of themselves is not really CP. There are people getting arrested for making sex photos and videos of themselves when they were underage. One man is on the sex offender list for possessing, when he was 21, a sex video of himself alone he made when he was 17. That’s just nuts. And putting girls in jail for making their own solo porn and keeping it on their drives is crazy.

As with so many sex laws, this issue runs up into all sorts of thorny issues and arguments that make little if any sense. It boils down an emotional revulsion towards this sort of thing and society’s decision to encode its revulsion in law. Many of the justifications for such laws fall apart when you analyze them. And justifications for some laws, for instance CP, change constantly, along with the definitions of it. The best policy is whatever protects the morals and norms of the majority while interfering with the privacy and individual rights of the potential criminal as little as possible.

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8 thoughts on “Different Types of Child Pornography: Under 13 (Kiddie Porn) and 13-17 (Teen Porn)”

  1. I’ve been thinking about this for a while. David Bukele is not a “nice guy”, but there is an interesting situation.

    As far as i can tell, Bukele is now a rogue US puppet, much like Saddam or Qaddafi.

    Like Saddam or Qaddafi, Bukele is essentially nationalistic and doing his own thing (like increasing his commercial and trade ties with China). His bitcoin project is scaring those whose job is to maintain the hegemony of the dollar as the dominant currency (coincidentally, Saddam and Gaddafi also announced dedollarization measures just before being invaded and murdered, respectively). He also is behaving rather insubordinate towards USA and the European Union (essentially telling them to fuck off in an polite way, when they try to impose how things should be done).

    The most interesting part is that there has been some street protests recently. The FMLN has been caught pictured waving USA flags. This suggests that the protests have been planned by USA, having FMLN as their new proxies for the country.

    Talking about the use by USA of “communist/leftist” type groups for their services would take a whole page as an topic by itself. I could give a few examples. The MEK group is essentially a terrorist/guerrilla organization against Iran since a few decades, and they frequently make flight trips to USA and even get their own “democracy summits”. The YPG in Syria is supposedly leftist with their Jineology, which is an weird Marxism without class struggle, and they help the US to occupy the country and loot the oil.

  2. I barely even mess with barely legals. A high school senior seemed interested in me recently, but I didn’t pursue. A Black teen was giving lustful eyes in the pool yesterday. Black girls are likely the first to mature and be horny.

    A kiddie showed me how flexible she was. That seemed like trouble but I can appreciate flexibility in a non-sexual way.

    Today I had a walk and talk with the most beautiful and Whitest looking chick. She’s a woke slut. I love her looks and that’s enough.

    Amazing how much pull I still have. I was in a state of disgust around the time of Pizzagate. I was drowning in darkness at the time. It’s a dark topic to consume yourself with.

    1. LOL she’s cute but she’s so waaaay too young. The other ones look a lot better. They have actual filled out women’s bodies. That 12 year old is a stick and she barely has any tits. Not my cup of tea.

  3. A recent phenomenon I encountered is message boards where teenage girls look for advice on sexual topics. To give you a bit of background, I like erotic stories and find ones where people describe their sexual experiences especially hot (Penthouse Forum was a big contributor to my budding sexuality). I was searching for some stories when I came across the message boards, not realizing what they were until I had been reading them for a couple of minutes. The conversations on these boards were very frank and graphic.

    To give you an idea, there was one thread where girls were discussing how they thought their rooms smelled like pussy after they masturbated. One girl posted that she had just got done cleaning up after touching herself when her dad came into the room to get her for dinner. When her dad came in, he said something like “Wow, It smells really nice in here. Did you buy a new perfume or something?” The thread consensus was basically that the young ladies were probably more aware of the smell since they were masturbating and that other people probably don’t really notice.

    The reason I brought this up is I’m wondering how these message boards are acceptable, but other things that you’ve mentioned are not. Is it because the boards are considered educational (as they’re supposed to be for advice)?

    1. I’m not sure. I guess talking is just fine, I suppose. Who else is on the message boards? Adults? Adults can talk to teenagers of either sex about sex all they want to. It’s not illegal.

      It’s pretty crazy. Reddit will not allow anyone to discuss anything about teens and sex. A lot of people want to discuss the sexual things they did when they were teenage minors, but all of that is banned as child pornography or child sexual abuse or some insane shit like that. Sure, that sort of thing could get out of hand pretty quickly, but it’s mostly women wanting to post about stuff they did when they were minors. All of that talk is banned!

      Most CP is photos and videos. And they have to involve either sex or lascivious display of the genitalia. Outrageously, CP stories are now illegal. Since when? Since the feds decided they were illegal! No one had any warnings beforehand. That’s the insanity of this bullshit. There’s literally no definition of what constitutes child pornography. Stuff you think is perfectly legal one day can suddenly become illegal the next day. I can’t believe fed pigs get away with this shit, but they do.

      But if this idiot shithead Kenneth Lanning one of the stupidest men who ever lived, is the FBI’s expert of child molestation and child porn, we are in deep shit. He thinks “pedophiles” fuck teenage boys and girls. Like Hell they do!

      And what’s child porn, according to shit for brains Lanning? Why, anything a pedophile uses to masturbate is child porn! I guess if he jerks off looking at girls in swimsuits in catalogs, it’s child porn. This clown is now in private business as a consultant on “child sexual abuse,” which is something he doesn’t even understand. He gets paid good money to tell lies and crap. I looked at his photo and he’s a boring old uptight square, an old White man. Figures.

      Fuck the feds. They’re scum of the Earth. They’re going after Matt Gaetz and Greenberg on RICO for running an illegal criminal enterprise that involved the two men buying whores! Buying whores is the same thing as the Mafia! Gaetz didn’t even know that girl was 17. She lied about her age and as soon as they found out she was 17, they cut off all contact with her. She’s no victim. She was a WHORE for Chrissake. How do you “abuse” a whore? Ridiculous.

      Epstein case is retarded and insane too. One girl went back 100 times to “get abused” at $300 a pop. I’m sure the poor thing was crying all the way to the bank! The “abuse” was so terrible that she recruited 70 other teenage girls to “get abused.” It was so horrible that they all did it and most of them kept coming back for more and more! Giuffre? LOL she was a WHORE. They all were. They were all high paid prostitutes.

      Giuffre got so “abused” by Prince Andy that she got paid $15,000! She wrote a book before all this broke about this great life she was living flying all over the world being a high paid hooker to the rich and famous. She was perfectly happy living that way and she got stinking filthy rich. But now she’s been “abused.” She was an adult most of the time she was WHORING. Yet somehow every time she had sex with these guys as an adult, she got “abused.” Oh, come off it!

      She bitches that “Epstein made me his sex slave!” Oh boo hoo! So what happened? Did he put a gun to her head? Nope. I guess he just said “You are my sex slave” and this ditzy WHORE believed it LOL. Then she says Epstein “ordered” her to have sex with men. I guess at $10K a pop! Oh poor baby! Did he put a gun to her silly little head? Oh, so if a man gives her orders, this dumb blonde is so stupid that she thinks she has to obey? LOL baby if you’re that stupid, come over to my apartment right now, and I’ll give you an order or two!

      Oh poor baby! These are all just WHORES claiming “Oh boo hoo! I got abuuuuuused.” Why? So they can get the MONEY. They’re all just a bunch of money-grubbing prostitutes. Fuck every one of these lying, thieving WHORES.

      1. Actually, I think I kind of answered my own question when I wondered if the board in question would be permitted because it’s basically meant to be educational. What you said about just discussion, as opposed to images/vids of acts, also makes sense. I can’t really answer your question about the board though. I don’t remember if there were adults on the board offering advice or not. Once I looked around for a little bit, I just went somewhere else.

        Also: “A lot of people want to discuss the sexual things they did when they were teenage minors” there was a post where a girl described her experience wearing a butt plug all day for the first time and how wet she was, etc. Apparently, she felt the need to share that.

        1. Hmmm, sure, I guess they can talk about that stuff. LOL teenage girls are little tiny children. They have no sex drive. Any time anything sexual happens to them it’s “abuse.”

          LOL here’s this teenage wearing a Goddamn butt plug all day long and talking about how wet it made her. But they’re just little children! They can’t consent! LOL.

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