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April 8-9 Update: This post has received a massive update with new information on Mr. X’s past and the stunning revelation that LE suspects BG of the Evansdale Murders too!
Warning: What follows is horrifying information about the sexually-motivated double murders of two young teenage girls. There’s no way to pretty this stuff up, and if I did, I’d just be lying anyway.
Here we go with another update. Once again, I would like to thank R.v.S. and C.A., two of my very best friends who I have known for what seems like my whole life, or maybe it was just since college. I know these guys so well that sometimes I wonder if we are all the same person!
People are making statements that the statements in this article are due to me having “inside information.” This is accompanied by a lot of snarkery and hostility.
The information below comes from three sources.
The first source is from a female member of the search party who saw the crime scene and discussed it with me.
The second source is photocopy(s) of official document(s) from the investigation that I managed to obtain.
The third source is a retired LE officer who who dug into the case of Mr. X for us. He still has a lot of current LE contacts, and this is where his information comes from. So this source is really current LE.
Debunking the Usual Nonsense about Me
Dealing with haters. Sigh. Here’s the latest.
You chose to lend credence to Robert Lindsay, who has literally confessed to being a pedophile.
What in God’s’ name is he talking about?! Of course I’ve never “confessed to being a pedophile.” Why would I confess to being something that I’m not? A pedophile is a man who is maximally attracted to girls under 13 and has little to no interest in mature females. Anyone who knows me knows that’s not the case with me. I love grown women. I can’t get enough of them. Little girl children? Ew.
Teenage girls are another matter, but that’s not pedophilia. I haven’t had anything to do with a teenage girl under 18 since I was 21, 42 years ago. I did have sex with underage teenage girls 14-17 for four years during the ages of 18-21. More than I can count. I stopped at age 21 because I didn’t want to go to jail. You want to hold that against me? Be my guest. You want to call me “pedophile” based on that? Knock yourselves out.
I don’t approve of adult men having sex with teenage girls under the age of consent (AOC) because it’s illegal. In most US states, the AOC is 16 or 17. It’s 18 in a few states. My position is that in this environment, I advise all adult men of any age to not mess with girls under the AOC. It’s not worth it, guys. If these female minors are over the AOC, help yourself. Grab all you want. Problem is that while 16 year old looks fantastic, when she opens up her mouth, she sounds like a 10 year old. That might put me off right there.As I get older, I appreciate the wonders of older women more and more. In a lot of ways, they are better than young women.
Apparently he is referencing this:
I was reported to the police probably 60 times for being the murderer or for being a “pedophile” (I wasn’t aware that was against the law).
According to Matt Sullivan, people in his wanted to hang me on the spot for this comment. I said that being a pedophile isn’t against the law. That’s a fact. Apparently that comment means “I confessed to being a pedophile.” One reason I quit doing these Delphi articles is because I got tired of dealing with idiots like this all the time.
Yes, I’m a Real Freelance Journalist
Among the many insane arguments against me, one is that I “pretend to be a journalist.” I’m actually trained as a journalist. I have a BA in Journalism from a state university in California. I worked as a proofreader of an academic journal, an assistant editor of a major magazine, and a freelance writer. Furthermore, I am a now a published author, having written a chapter in an academic Linguistics book on Turkic Linguistics published out of Turkey.
I don’t know what it takes to be a “real” journalist . But I would think a BA in Journalism would suffice.
If you are wondering how I come up with all these “inside sources,” keep in mind that I was trained how to obtain confidential documents, protect and cultivate sources, and do interviews, and I am very good at all of those things. There’s an art to this. We were also taught to source and label our sources things properly, and we had to take a semester in the libel law which was modeled on a law school course.
No, My Blog Was Not Shut Down by WordPress Due to My Delphi Reporting
A man named Eric Alter claimed to have gotten an injunction against my blog with WordPress. Supposedly this led to it being shut down. Mr. Alter filed no injunction against this blog with WordPress. WordPress took no action against my website in response to Mr. Alter’s complaints, assuming he made any to them.
Next, there are stories that this site got shut down by WordPress because I was making up lies about this case. That’s not so. WordPress never uttered one peep to me about my Delphi coverage. The site was shut down by WordPress, but it was because I violated their Terms of Service in a post I made about feminists. I didn’t even know what WordPress‘ TOS were, as I had never read them.
Dead Rumors and Screams in the Night
More BS. There is a report on Reddit that I am still pushing a theory that the girls were garroted. It is said that I “made up” this story. True, that was a rumor floating around for a while, but we junked that years ago. The theory that the girls were garroted is a dead rumor, dead for over four years now.
There is a report on Reddit that I reported a scream was heard in the night. They say I “made up” this story. For the hundredth time, I’m a professional journalist, and I don’t make up facts about this crime case. That’s a career-ender and I take my journalistic ethics very seriously. I do not recall ever reporting such a thing.
However, I have now seen references to reports of screams heard by the bridge at 2 AM. It is also said that Libby’s phone, previously dead, started pinging again right around this time. That means someone had Libby’s phone and turned it on or recharged it after the charge went out. If the latter is true, it is quite remarkable, but both the screams and the phone pinging at 2 AM are unverified rumors at this point.
On the other hand, Leigh Kerr did report that there is a scream on Libby’s audio recording followed by a thud. The theory is that this is Abby screaming right before BG hits on her on the head with a blunt object, no doubt the butt of that gun he has on him. Poor girl! So it turns out that if Leaker is correct, and I regard him as credible, there was indeed a scream soon after the girls were abducted, probably at the crime scene.
I can think of how this scene might have unfolded:
He got them to the kill zone, and he had them both on the ground with their hands behind their backs handcuffed. We know this because of the dirt under Libby’s fingernails. He was controlling them with the gun in his right pocket. He said you scream or yell one time, and I shoot both of you. They’re scared so they keep quiet. Poor Libby was thrashing around, this is what caused the dirt and bruising under her nails. Suddenly he was on top of her and slit her throat so deeply he almost cut it off. Poor thing lived for maybe five seconds and then died.
Abby was on the ground too, handcuffed. Poor Abby saw this horror in front of her face. Face it, this is as bad as it gets – watching your bestie murdered while you watch. It doesn’t get any worse than that. Abby screamed. BG was on top of her very quickly and hit her over the head with the butt end of the gun. She went out cold. The blow did not kill her though. He figured out that she wasn’t dead. So he took a knife and stabbed her in the artery in her neck, killing her.
He put them both out of commission in seconds, and he killed both of them within a minute or two. He had to dispatch them quickly so they wouldn’t scream. He couldn’t keep them alive and tortured them, though he may have wanted to. The sexual thrill here was the homicide itself. He’s a lust murderer. Sadistic killers get a sexual arousal just from hurting people. It doesn’t have to be anything sexual. Later on he did sexual things with both bodies involving sticks and twigs.
We Don’t Fake Photos Here
There is a photo on Reddit of a Photoshopped up photo of BG. People on there are saying it came from my website. I don’t recall seeing it on my site but I put a lot of stuff up there. This is followed by an accusation that I “made up” this photo or deliberately altered it with a graphics program. Problem? I’m a terrible artist. I do not know how to use any graphics program. I’ve used a few of them, but I can barely do anything, maybe crop or rotate a photo and that’s it. Please stop saying that I manipulate photos about this case with graphics software. I don’t do any of the graphics work on my page. I have graphic artists who do that for me.
There is another accusation on Reddit that I manipulated a photo of BG to add in some cigarette smoke. We did run that photo. I just spoke to our graphics expert, and she told me she didn’t manipulate anything. She just applied some lighting filters.
I believe that does look like cigarette smoke over his left shoulder. We also thought we saw a smoldering cigarette in his mouth in another of her enhancements. BG was either smoking and leaving a smoke cloud or those are just some artifacts of the graphics software creating illusions. There’s no confirmation that BG was smoking a cigarette when he abducted those girls. There’s just an odd photo that could be anything.
Below is a capture from the same area as the photos below came from. The helicopter video where there is a circle of flashes going off. That’s clearly the CSI people photographing the scene. It can’t be anything else. The grabs below are from a Youtuber who is actually a theoretical physicist.
Note that the girl’s arms are raised on in a surrender position exactly as they are in the more cleaned up photos below. Also note that the girl’s legs have been spread by the killer, same as they are in the photos below.
One of my graphic artist is a woman. I know, I’m such a misogynist, huh? Actually many of my best sleuths down through the years have been women. Women excel at intuition and I think intuition is important for detectives. Women are lousy at logic as any man who’s had a girlfriend or wife knows, but men blow at intuition, so it all evens out in the end.
There is a charge from Reddit that we faked this image. We don’t fake images.
In the above photo, Libby’s right and left legs are marked. Also one of my graphics people labeled what he thinks is a large branch between this poor girl’s legs. This would follow from the report of the search party member below where she says that Libby had a log jammed up perpendicular to her crotch to make it seem as it was penetrating her sexually.
By the way, the man who did the labeling was a sheriff in a nearby county who joined our group incognito. So you can see we had active duty LE in our group working with us. This image is very poor, but it’s a match for the images below from the theoretical physicist.
Validation of My Reporting over the Years
One of the things people on Reddit are saying is that they were shocked at how closely Leaker’s revelations resembled things that I’ve been saying for years. Well, of course. We’re wrong a lot, sure. But here’s the thing. We’re also right a lot. I’m sure that if more information about this case comes out, more of the things we’ve been saying here for years are going to be shown to be true.
Clearing up Some Rumors
The Horrible Sticks and Twigs Rumor
I’ve been run through the grinder for years over this rumor, and I was trying to avoid it in this post, but I have no choice but talk about it. One rumor is either that one or more of the girls was impaled with a branch. That rumor started when a young man from Delphi published crime scene photos in the week after the murders. This is what he described, among other things. He also thought the murders had occult or Satanic overtones. That’s probably not true, but if you read about how the killer staged the crime scene, you might think that was the case.
This rumor was repeated later when a good source told me that poor Libby was impaled with a branch right below her solar plexus. Keep in mind that I have not been able to verify this rumor. But keeping in mind the insanity of the crime scene below, almost anything is possible with this depraved killer.
A better sourced rumor – but just as horrible – is that BG shoved twigs, sticks, and small branches into both girls’ vaginas and anuses. Terrible, huh? I presume he did this after they were dead, so at least they didn’t have to suffer this indignity. At this point, he’s also a necrophile, but a lot of these guys have necrophilic tendencies.
Thing is we were able to source this to two LE sources. The first was a local detective who was working on the case. He told someone close to him and they reported it on the Net. The second is another detective in a different area of LE. He verified the rumor, saying he had seen crime scene photos. And just recently, I got a report that several “insiders” had verified that this rumor is true. Also, Leaker said that the girls were not sexually assaulted with the killer’s body, implying that they may have been with inanimate objects. So now we have variations of this rumor verified at least eight times. That’s not conclusive, but it’s looking better all the time.
It’s been said that I made up this rumor as some sick fantasy of mine. First, I don’t happen to fantasize about this stuff. I don’t care what anyone thinks about, but homicidal sexual sadism isn’t my bag, sorry. Second, as I repeated above, I am bound by journalistic ethics not to make up lies out of whole cloth. That’s a death sentence in this business, and I take my ethics seriously, unlike increasing numbers of my degenerate colleagues.
Resetting Libby’s Phone
At first it was thought that Libby did this herself, possibly after being told to do so by the killer who was catfishing her on Snapchat. It has now been revealed that Mike Patty, her grandfather, did this for unknown reasons.
Yes, Abby Had a Cellphone on Her at the Time of the Crime
I reported the other day that BG videotaped his crime. I know from case document(s) I obtained that LE is looking for photos, videos, videocameras, cameras, film, etc. that BG used in this crime. The only way LE could know that BG videotaped his crime is if the rumor about BG sending video of the crime to Abby’s phone after her death is true.
People on Reddit are attacking this report, saying that according to Abby’s mother, Abby didn’t have a phone. Problem is Abby’s mother didn’t know all sorts of things. She didn’t know that Abby had a boyfriend, and she sure did. We even know his name. Also several LE officials have made public statements that both girls had phones on them, most recently the fire chief on the HTN show.
Mr. X Did Not Touch the Bodies When He Discovered Them
There is an old rumor going around that Mr. X touched one or more of the bodies in the neck, looking for a pulse. Sadly, I may have reported that earlier. I now feel that’s a dead rumor. Neither Mr. X nor anyone else touched the bodies.
Rejoinders Aside, Now on to the Real Meat of the Post
LE May Have a Prime Suspect in the Delphi Murders, and His Name is Mr. X
If you followed Leigh Kerr’s leak on Reddit, Leaker said that LE has a prime suspect in this case. We will refer to him from now on as Mr. X. I don’t want to use his name or his initials. When discussing this man in the comments, always refer to him as Mr. X. Please refer to his wife as Mrs. X. Don’t use either his name or his initials. We have to be fair here. Leave this man alone if you know who he is. We aren’t vigilantes here in America. We’re better than that. Besides, who knows if he did it or not? You think he did it? Fine, prove it. See, you can’t. Welcome to America. This is the price you pay to live in a free country.
He went into a number of details about Mr. X.
We have a lot more on Mr. X in this previous update.
Leaker said that LE thinks Mr. X did it, but they don’t have enough evidence on him to take it to court.
In case you are wondering, there are cases like this all over the country. I can even think of some serials who are running around free where LE believes that they committed several homicides. One is named the Lewiston Killer. There is a child serial killer who has killed several little girls over the past 10-20 years. LE is pretty sure they know who did it, but they don’t have enough on him to make a case. So he walks free. And these aren’t the only two.
A former girlfriend got shot in the head by her husband. He said she committed suicide but that was not possible, and further his behavior after he shot her was very weird. LE detained him for a while. Once he visited her at the hospital with LE, and he was chained to a room heater in the hospital room. I believe they detained him for a couple of weeks and released him. They didn’t have enough evidence against him to bring a case to trial.
The OJ Simpson case is also instructive.
Bottom line is murderers get away with it all the time in this country, and in a number of cases, LE is pretty sure they know who did it, but they simply don’t have enough evidence to take it to court. DA’s won’t dare touch a homicide case, much less a serial or multiple homicide case, unless they think they have enough evidence for a conviction. Otherwise the case never goes to trial. We have trial by jury in this country, and everyone is innocent until proven guilty. We can’t go around killing people because someone thinks they might have maybe killed someone.
Why Are People Going out of Their Way to Protect Mr. X?
There is a man named Jordan McCoy on Facebook pretending to be Leigh Kerr. In fact, McCoy doesn’t even exist. He’s just a sock for a guy named Scott Alexander, and Alexander isn’t Leaker either. Scott’s only purpose is to be to pretend he was Leaker in order to draw suspicion away from the prime suspect, Mr. X, for unknown reasons.
There are some locals who are going out of their way to protect Mr. X. They are insisting that he could not possibly have done it. Some of their behavior is downright weird. Perhaps they are doing this out of loyalty to their friend. That said, these protectors probably ought to be named because their behavior is pretty off.
Anthony Greeno spends most of his time trying to deflect attention away from Mr. X. Greeno happens to be a hunting partner of Mr. X. I do not know why Greeno so vociferously defends Mr. X. Perhaps it is due to their friendship.
There is another very odd character named Caleb Bowlin, a Delphi resident. A lot of people are suspicious of him. He was 21 at the time of the crime, and he’s a dead perfect match for the second sketch. I don’t know what that means. He’s gone completely overboard defending Mr. X and saying he could not possibly have done it. At one time a couple of people were trying to go look at the crime scene, and he was literally blocking them with his body to keep them away. I don’t know why he is doing this. There is no evidence that this man is involved in this crime.
Bowlin presented himself to Leazenby’s office and told the sheriff that there were rumors going around that he was BG. Bowlin offered to give DNA and take a lie detector test. Leazenby said, “Caleb, if we ever need you for any of that, we’ll contact you.” Based on this, LE does not suspect Bowlin of being part of this crime.
Who Is Leigh Kerr?
The pastor of a small Pentecostal church from Lafayette, Joe Wampler, is Leigh Kerr. Leaker is the man who held a session on Reddit where he told people he had accessed case documents and he was going to leak details about the case. He was angry that the case had gone on this long with no resolution. He proceeded to tell quite a tale about what he had learned from these documents. His revelations are here. Leaker stirred up a huge storm and a large consensus is that he’s a liar and a fraud. I think that is incorrect. I regard him as credible for various reasons.
He posted accidentally under his real name and profile as if he were still answering questions as Leigh Kerr. His wife has indeed been traced back to a local courthouse worker. Rumor is she saw a lot of these documents and ran them off. I just spoke to a woman who knows this couple very well, and she insisted to me that this man is straight up man of God type. His word is good and his morals are strong. He’s the last person to make up stupid lies. He’s pure integrity, a class act.
Theory That BG Videotaped His Crime with a GoPro Camera and Sent the Photos to One of the Girls’ Phones after the Crime
Leaker also said that BG sent photos or videos to one of the girls’ phones after the crime. This has also been (somewhat) vindicated. These same document(s) in my possession say that LE is looking for photos, videos, videocameras, cameras, and film in relation to this case. Obviously, LE thinks BG filmed his crime. Profiler John Kelly, who believes that Leaker should be at least given the benefit of the doubt until proven false, thanked Harvey Carroll, another good (albeit narcissistic) Delphi Murders podcaster, for his work on the BG photo in which Carroll found that BG is apparently wearing a Go-Pro camera. Kelly agreed that the photo does show BG wearing such a camera. I agree with Kelly and Carroll.
Attacking Leigh Kerr (Leaker)
Trashing Leigh Kerr, Part 1. On Reddit, people are saying that Leigh Kerr has been proven to be a fake and a liar. Leigh Kerr has not proven to be completely correct (though some of his testimony checks out), but hasn’t yet been debunked either.
No one knows anything about Leigh Kerr’s stories, but one of them, new information that BG had binoculars that he used in his ploy the capture the girls, has been validated. I have official document(s) which state that LE is looking for binoculars in relation to this case.
Trashing Leaker, Part 2. From Reddit, Leaker is accused of lying because in the part of the audio not released, BG can be heard telling the girls he’s railroad police, he spotted the girls trespassing with binoculars, the girls were were now under arrest for trespassing, and he’s now handcuffing them. Reddit said this could not be true because if it was, LE would have released it to the public.
First of all, this guy never read Leaker’s account in the first place. Because if he had, he would note that Leaker said that this account was only deciphered after long painstaking work with audio experts who managed to clean up the completed garbled audio on Libby’s phone. Even cleaned up, you can barely hear a thing. However, these experts transcribed what they thought was being said in this encounter. It is from this deciphering that LE concluded that the conversation above took place. Leaker said LE did not release it because one, even cleaned up, it’s a complete mess and undecipherable without a lot of expensive equipment, and two, they didn’t think it would be of any additional help to release it to the public.
No Such Crime as “Interfering with an Investigation”
No such crime as Interfering with an Investigation. This poster also repeated the favorite that Leaker should be arrested for some fake crime called “interfering with an investigation.” There have been calls for years to have me arrested on this fake crime too. We’ve succeeded in making half of life illegal so far in the land of the free (sic), but this isn’t really a crime. I think it is only a crime on the federal level, and it’s never used the way these people think think it is.
It’s a BS law, often used by the FBI and other feds when they want to take someone down but they can’t get anything on you. I don’t like the FBI. If the FBI wants to take you down, you go down. They will search through your life with a fine toothcomb, and if you do that with most people, you will find some idiot law someone broke somewhere somehow. So this is one of those fake crimes (like “Lying to the FBI” – another fake crime) that they use for political purposes. The only time I’ve ever seen it used was to charge someone in the recent Russiagate (a fake scandal about a fake event – something that never happened in the first place) prosecutions.
They charged someone with “interfering with an investigation” for destroying documents relevant to the case in order to avoid prosecution. In other words, destruction of evidence. As far as whether I am “interfering with an investigation,” let’s see what LE told me about my reporting on this case:
ISP: “We don’t care what you write. Go ahead and write whatever you want. And if you ever write anything sensitive that we want taken down, we will contact you, ok?” Phone conversation between me and and ISP detective, Spring 2017.
FBI: “We don’t care about Lindsay.” Conversation between FBI agent and a suspect when detaining him to get a DNA sample at an FBI office in Michigan, 2018.
Supporting Leigh Kerr
Backing up Leaker, Part 3. On Reddit, at least one poster defended Leaker, saying that they had been talking to people close to the Delphi investigation, and they backed up much of what Leaker said.
Specifically, his sources concurred that there was at least some luring of the girls to the site. Leaker said that Libby was catfished on Snapchat with the second sketch of the young man.
His sources agreed that Mr. X was someone that LE looked at very hard at least at one point if possibly not at the moment.
They also agreed with agreed that the girls were posed in a sexual tableau.
Abandoning Mr. X as a Suspect (Bad Idea)
Sleuths abandoning Mr. X as a Suspect. Mr. X’s daughter has made an appearance in Facebook groups, saying that he’s the greatest guy in the world, and he couldn’t possibly have done this. However, family members of a number of convicted killers, even serial killers, have said similar things. She also said her father never lost his keys. Becky Patty, who is a friend of Mr. X’s wife, said that Mrs. X told her that Mr. X did not lose his keys.
These comments from wife, daughter, and friends defending Mr. X and questioning the official narrative have caused a large group of sleuths abandon Mr. X as a suspect. As if a suspect’s wife and daughter would not be expected to vouch for him. And as it turns out, the fact that he didn’t lose his keys after all does not clear Mr. X from suspicion. In fact, it makes him even more suspicious.
More on Mr. X, the Possible Prime Suspect in the Case
First of all, as noted above, Leaker seems vindicated in part about Mr. X being the prime suspect in the case. A Reddit poster said he asked around to a number of Delphi “insider” types, and they told him that indeed LE had looked at Mr. X very hard as a suspect, if possibly not at the moment.
Beyond that, we have a retired LE officer working with us and we sent him to work with his LE colleagues on Mr. X. This man came back and told us that not only is Mr. X the prime suspect in these murders, but they also suspect him in other murders.
In my previous post, I talked about how Mr. X said he lost his keys during the search for the girls. That story has gotten completely garbled with Becky Patty, Mr. X’s daughter, and Mrs. X, Mr. X’s wife, all saying that Mr. X never lost his keys. The thing is that new information I got says that they are all correct! Mr. X indeed never lost his keys. But it’s worse than that.
First of all, Mr. X asked Ron Logan permission to search his land at 6:30 PM on February 13, three hours after the girls were murdered. Ron thought it was an odd request but he granted it because Mr. X was a neighbor who lived only 2 miles away. But there is a problem with Mr. X asking this permission. The Fire Department only announced the formation of a search party at 7 PM. Before that, nobody much even knew the girls were missing, although LE had been notified at 5:30 PM. The only people out searching were family and friends of the girls. No one else knew that the girls were even missing.
Which begs the question, How did Mr. X know that the girls were missing in the first place before anyone else did? Was he in the area when they went missing? That looks bad because his alibi said he was in another town altogether. If he was in another town at the time of the murders, when did he come home? And why, when he came back into town, did he decide to go to the bridge to look for the girls when he had no idea they were missing?
The only way this makes sense is if Mr. X was not in another town but was in the bridge area. But there goes his alibi. Now he’s in even more trouble. Furthermore, why on Earth did he specifically ask to search Ron Logan’s property, which is exactly where the girls were killed? Why did he park his truck hidden at the cemetery directly above the crime scene? Why didn’t he park at Ron’s front door if he wanted to knock and ask permission to search his land?
By 6:30 it was dark and it would have been hard to see the girls who were in a hidden ravine that was very hard to see. Also, two other men searched Ron’s land that night. They didn’t find the girls either, adding credulity to the notion that they were hard to see where they were in the dark.
Nevertheless, Mr. X’s alibi that he was out of town, came back into town and went to the bridge for no reason, and then decided to search for the girls without knowing they were missing obviously makes no sense.
Some Mr. X Background
Mr. X owned some property there where he raised goats and hunted deer, but I’m not sure what else he did. Mr. X has two children, a younger daughter who is a very out lesbian and an older daughter, about 30 and unmarried. He has been married to Mrs. X for some time, possibly 10+ years. She is 10 years younger than he is, an attractive woman.
Mr. X is a big fan of Harley Davidson motorcycles and an extremely avid deer hunter. We have not been able to find information about his employment at any time. His wife most recently worked at a bank, but she was caught stealing money from the bank two years ago and was fired.
He was born in 1965 in Illinois and is 55 years old and looks his age. He grew up in Illinois but moved to Indiana around 2000 at age 35. We know little about his life before 2000.
From 2000-2010, he moved around Indiana, moving about once a year to a new town. He settled in Delphi in 2011 and lived there for 10 years, mostly with his wife. In 2011-2012, he was separated from his wife and lived with a male roommate. He and his wife just moved early this year. I believe they now reside in Monticello. The latest I have heard is that they moved back to Illinois, but that may just be a rumor. He obviously thinks the heat is on him.
I have obtained a videotape of him playing with his granddaughters. His voice sounds a lot like BG’s, and he refers to his two young granddaughters as “guys.” In the videotape, his walk looks a lot like BG’s walk.
I have a photograph of him with his daughters from 2009 when they were girls. The older daughter looks remarkably like Libby German, and the younger daughter looks remarkably like Abby Williams in that photo. I’m not sure if that means anything. They are posing with their father next to the carcass of a deer he has shot.
He seems to have many friends in the Delphi area with the whole town on his friends page. I have a photo of him and Sheriff Tobe Lozenby posing with a hunting rifle, clearly a gag photo. Apparently he was close to Sheriff Lozenby at one point. Mr. and Mrs. X are close to the Pattys. Libby had met Mr. X a couple of times, but Becky Patty did not think Libby would recognize him. Becky is currently defending him, probably because he is a friend of the family.
Considering that the killer catfished Libby only via Snapchat for four months and specifically targeted her for the murder, it is interesting because he knew her grandparents well so presumably he was quite familiar with Libby. Perhaps he had seen her regularly and begun to have sexual and homicidal fantasies of her.
Around the time of the crime, Mr. X was about the same height and weight as BG. Since the murders, he has gained ~50 pounds. After the crime, he talked so much about the murders to anyone who would listen that people started to get suspicious of him. It is not known if any locals turned him in to the tipline. Mr. X owns a hunting cap that is a replica of the one worn by BG, but perhaps that is a common hat in the area. I have seen photos of him with jeans and a jacket almost exactly like BG’s jeans and jacket, but perhaps those are common garments among men in that area. He very closely resembles BG when his face is put side by side by BG’s. None of these things are incriminating enough to take a case to court.
Mr. X’s Wife Says Mr. X Fooled Her for Many Years until She Discovered He was a “Monster” and an “Evil Force”
The wife is a curious case. There is a rumor that she posted to Facebook that she thought she knew Mr. X, but she had discovered that he was a “monster.” I have not been able to find that post.
However, backing that up somewhat, I have screenshots of a woman, Ms. Y, who knew Mr. and Mrs. X for a long time. Ms. Y said she had suspected Mr. X from the very first day after the news about the lost keys and his truck being parked right above the crime scene came out.
Ms. Y described the couple as “very, very strange.” This tells me absolutely nothing about any human being. Instead I want to know precisely what it is about this couple that Ms. Y finds so strange. Anyway, it does add suspicion to Mr. X.
Ms. Y said that their marriage was a bit rocky, with a few wild fights and temporary breakups. Ms. Y said Mrs. X had made a series of very strange posts to Facebook about how she thought she had known someone all her life but it turned out she didn’t know them and that this person turned out be some sort of an evil force.
I believe that is a reference to Mr. X, as the”evil force” lines up with the earlier report that she said Mr. X was a “monster.” That Mrs. X had “known him her whole life” simply means that she was married to him for some time, probably over a decade. Marriages often seem to “last a lifetime,” even when they don’t.
So we can see that Mrs. X referred to Mr. X as an enigmatic person who fooled her into thinking he was ok for many years, but she had recently discovered that he was “a monster” and “a force of evil.”
If Mr. X is a psychopath (a possibility), then this report lines up perfectly. Bottom line is he would be fooling everyone. Everyone in town would think he was a standup guy, including the grandparents of girl he may have murdered himself. He was married for up to a decade to a wife before she was able to tear down his “mask of sanity.” See Harvey Cleckley, The Mask of Sanity, 1947, the ultimate document ever written on psychopathy. They fool everyone for a long time, but after they have known them for some time, some people can uncover their true personas, which are nothing like their public images. “A force of evil” and “monster” are two terms people often use when they are able to take the mask off of a psychopath.
Mr. X’s Behavior on February 13-14, 2017
Mr. X has an alibi for the murders, that he was elsewhere in another town, when the murders occurred. Someone, possibly a friend, Mr. Z, was certain that they saw him elsewhere when the murders were committed. We don’t know who Mr. Z was. I say was because shockingly, Mr. Z is now dead. So Mr. X’s alibi is dead. That means that the alibi cannot be flipped anymore.
Curiously, Mr. X’s phone pinged the Child Protective Services building for several hours around the time of the murders. LE feels that the killer parked his car at the CPS building. No vehicle has yet been reported parked near the building. It would seem that Mr. X’s phone pinging the CPS building means he or his phone was there at the time, but Mr. X can always say that he was elsewhere, and his phone was at his home pinging there looking for a signal. There are only two cell towers in town so that’s actually a possibility, albeit a remote one.
However, there is a report that an abandoned vehicle, possibly a white truck, was towed from the CPS building. There is currently a gag order imposed by the courts about the circumstances around this truck being towed.
Mr. X’s orange truck was parked hidden in the cemetery directly above where the girls were found. It stayed in this spot for at least the next 18 hours, from 6:30 PM until 12:30 PM the next day when the girls’ bodies were discovered. I say at least because no one knows exactly when Mr. X’s truck was first parked in the cemetery. Yes, it shows up there at 6:30 PM, but perhaps it had been parked there earlier without being seen.
Mr. X is also one of three people who discovered the bodies. Hence, Mr. X’s DNA is all around the crime scene as a discoverer of the crime. None of this DNA is usable in court. After he found the girls, Mr. X said called his wife and ran from the scene. Later he needed months of psychotherapy due to the trauma he experienced by discovering the bodies. To me those two reactions seem pretty excessive, but that doesn’t prove anything. At 12:30 PM, the cemetery was filling up with police cars. Mr. X’s truck was in the way and was blocking in police cars.
Asked why he was parked there and if he would please move his truck, Mr. X stated that he had lost his car keys and he was going to call his wife to get her to bring a new set.
Three problems with that story.
Mr. X never lost his keys. They were in his pocket the whole time. He never called his wife to bring a spare set. Even worse, there was no spare set. Mr. X was later caught by LE in this lie about losing his car keys, and this is one of the things that provoked their interest in him. A tow truck came and Mr. X allowed his truck to be towed. He had to do this because he had to keep pretending that he had lost his keys, and obviously his wife had never shown up to bring a new one. No one knows what was in Mr. X’s truck at the time it was towed, and there’s no evidence that it was searched that day by LE.
I noted above that Mr. X’s truck was parked right above where the bodies were found for 18 hours starting at 6:30 PM February 13 until 12:30 PM February 14. For some time after 6:30 PM, Mr. X was presumably searching Ron Logan’s land.
Where was Mr. X between 6:30 PM Monday and 12:30 PM Tuesday? Did he stay out there next to his truck all night? Did he ever go home to his wife that night? We don’t knows the answers to those questions. His whereabouts during those 18 hours are a mystery. However, it is quite odd that his truck stayed right above the kill zone for 18 hours straight. What was point of leaving it there? He had his car keys. Why didn’t he drive it home after he finished searching Ron’s land Monday evening? None of this makes sense.
LE’s Investigation of Mr. X So Far
There’s no evidence that LE has ever served a search warrant on Mr. X, though they may have. They have his DNA. He took a lie detector test but the results were inconclusive. Mr. X has so far been cooperative with LE.
Mr. X Was Present at the 2019 Delphi Murders Town Hall Meeting
Mr. X was present at the 2019 press conference, sitting in the exact center of the room. He was wearing a hunting hat identical to BG’s hunting cap. LE was angry that BG was in the room. This is why Detective Carter was so livid. It’s also why Carter said, “The killer may be in this room right now.” However, he then looked away from Mr. X far to the right.
About That Fake Press Conference or Fakeference
Leaker said that the entire press conference was a gigantic ruse meant to trip up Mr. X, who, as noted, was in the room. The second sketch, which LE said was actually the real killer, was the catfish used to lure Libby off Snapchat.
The first sketch looks like Mr. X. They did this to make Mr. X think they had abandoned him and were looking at a false suspect.
The statement that they were looking for a young man aged 18-40 was also a lie, intended to make Mr. X think that they had lost his tail and were going off on a false tangent. Likewise with the report of the white truck at the CPS building. They highlighted this to make Mr. X think they were after the wrong vehicle and had abandoned the theory that his orange truck was involved. I have no idea what the cryptic references to The Shack movie were all about. You tell me.
These LE guys are extremely smart and crafty. I have nothing but intense admiration for all of the detectives working on this case. I tire of all the silly repetitious condemnations of LE that they had blown it on this case. I see no evidence that this is true. Instead these guys are master craftsmen straight out of a Sherlock Holmes or John Buchan novel. They continue to amaze me.
Tobe Lozenby and Kelsi German Cleared in Delphi Murders
Via Leaker, several people came back with inconclusive lie detector results, including Sheriff Tobe Lozenby, who was actually a suspect for a while. Tobe has been cleared. The only DNA found at the crime scene on the girls’ bodies was Libby’s sister Kelsi’s. But Kelsi had lent Libby her sweater that day. Kelsi was looked at very closely by the FBI, but she was eventually cleared. Kelsi’s is the only DNA on the girls and presumably on the other objects at the scene. The killer appears to have thrown bleach over both girls and over all of the objects at the scene. There is an old rumor that he threw bleach over the girls’ genital regions that fits in with the new info about a bleach bottle left at the scene.
Brand New Information on Mr. X, the Prime Suspect!
This information comes from a retired LE officer in Illinois. We know him and we set him to work on Mr. X to see what he could dig up for us. He still has many LE contacts and he got in touch with them. After talking to his LE colleagues for a while, he got back to us.
He told us that Mr. X had a roommate in 2011-2012. This roommate looked at the BG video. He said that BG’s voice matched Mr. X’s perfectly. He said that BG’s clothes looked familiar, that is, looked like clothes that Mr. X liked to wear. And he said that the way BG walked was a dead on perfect match for BG’s walk. The roommate also said that he felt that Mr. X might have committed the Evansdale murders too. More on that later. The roommate reported his concerns to the Delphi hotline. This lines up with the Indiana Star article that also discussed Mr. X as a prime Delphi suspect and explored the possibility of a link between Delphi and Evansdale. So we have two sources for the roommate story.
We did a lot of sleuthing on Mr. X and learned that he was homeless for a time in the 2000’s when he was living in a shelter. There were some photos of him from that time but we can’t find them now. We can’t find much on him from before 2000 but he was in Illinois.
We also learned, which ought to be no surprise, that Mr. X had a rap sheet for a sex crime committed during the 1980’s when he was between 16 and 26 years old. Problem is we don’t know the nature of the sex crime. If Mr. X is BG, it makes perfect sense that he has a rap sheet for a sex crime. It also makes perfect sense that Delphi was not his first rodeo. What man with a clear rap sheet and no sex crimes in his background wakes up at age 51 and decides to commit a pair of sexual homicides?
Basically never happens. All these guys have a background. It’s true that some of these men commit a crime like this as young adults and then go on to live normal lives and never commit another homicide. A few cases recently have been solved by DNA of sex murders of young women committed by young men who then went on to live perfectly normal lives, marrying and raising kids, until they were caught by DNA in their 60’s and 70’s. For everyone saying Mr. X could not possibly have done it, the people who knew these men when they were arrested recently said the same thing.
The Evansdale Murders – Some Background
The Evansdale Murders are the double murders of two very young girls in Evansdale, Iowa, in 2012. They were younger than the teenage victims in this case, both below age 11. These were literally little girls. I don’t have time to go into the Evansdale Murders now. I recommend you look it up on the Net if you want some background.
A fellow sleuth read an article in a local newspaper a few years ago, but she can no longer find the article among her extensive files. I realize this is not a good source, but I do trust and believe her. She thought the paper was the Indiana Star. The article looked into the possibility that the Delphi Killer was responsible for the Evansdale Murders too. The article focused on Mr. X but did not name him, instead referring to him losing his keys during the search. The article implied that he was a prime suspect. The story noted that the suspect vehicle in the Delphi Murders was a white van. It was parked at the trailhead.
The girls were riding bicycles when they were accosted by the killer near the trailhead. Their bikes were strewn across the bike path. He had somehow removed them from their bikes and gotten them into his van. The van is the suspect vehicle because it was seen at the trailhead just before the girls vanished.
Five months later, the girls’ bodies were found in a wooded area near water six miles away at a wildlife refuge. The bodies were in very bad shape, and the cause of death could not be ascertained.
One of the girls’ parents was heavily involved in meth, manufacturing it and selling large quantities. He was arrested and sent to jail after the girls were killed. A drug connection appears to be ruled out.
The FBI for some odd reason felt that the girls had been left alive for a week after they were abducted. If this is so, they were probably being raped and possibly beaten or tortured during this time. What a chilling thought.
According to the article, Mr. X was driving a white van right around the time of the Evansdale Murders. Furthermore, a white van had been seen cruising the streets of Evansdale for a few weeks before the murders. It was not seen again after the girls were abducted.
Mr. M., A Previous Prime Suspect in the Evansdale Murders
I previously had another prime suspect for the Evansdale Murders who I will not name other than calling him Mr. M. His ex-wife, Mrs. S., is convinced that he killed those girls. She has since remarried and moved to Arkansas. I’ve spoken with her at length, and I like her a lot. I’ve also spoken with the Iowa lead detective on the Evansdale case. Mr. M is a pure pedophile. His Facebook page is full of photos of little girls. They’re crawling all over the page. According to Mrs. S., Mr. M dressed his two sons up in girls’ clothes and molested them for five years. He was never arrested for this abuse.
Another woman from Iowa who worked with Mrs. S., Ms. C., told me she and Mrs. S thought this man was a member of a network of pedophiles or possibly or sadistic pedophiles. Sadistic pedophiles are 5% of all pedophiles. They are called misophiles. Most sexual murders of children are committed by misophiles. As with sadistic rapists, 5% of all rapists, misophiles are quite dangerous. Most rapists who murder are sadistic rapists. Anger rapists sometimes kill in a rage if the victim fights back, but generally they just threaten or possibly hurt the rape victim without killing her.
Ms. C told me that in these misophile networks, the ultimate high is considered to be to be get two little girls at once and rape, torture, and murder them. That is just horrible.
This would be akin to the “double cherry” murders that some US soldiers committed in the Vietnam War. The soldiers would abduct a virgin teenage girl from presumably a hostile village, rape her, and then murder her. That’s terrible. It really hits me hard.
Mr. M has been investigated by the FBI six different times for the Evansdale Murders. Each time they describe him as a suspect. They clear him each time after a while, and then they simply say that he is not a suspect. I was sure that Mr. M. killed those girls, as his behavior around that time was very suspicious, but now I am not so sure. The FBI is said to be very angry at me for my articles on Mr. M, who I simply referred to as Mr. X, because they think it will harm his ability to get a fair trial. I doubt if he did it, but maybe I will take those articles down if they’re making the FBI mad.
LE Now Feels that BG Also Committed the Evansdale Murders
The shocking news that we learned from our retired LE contact was that LE now thinks that the Delphi Murders and the Evansdale Murders are linked. The state in which the bodies were left and the choice of dump sites were the same in both killings, and strange objects were found with the Evansdale girls similar to the weird objects found with the Delphi victims.
In addition to Mr. M above, another man was a suspect in the Evansdale Murders. He had abducted two girls, one 12 and the other 15 years old and taken them to a barn where he had tied to them up. While he was raping and killing the 15 year old girl, the 12 year old girl escaped. The poor 15 year old girl did not, and her body was found dumped nearby shortly afterwards. Unfortunately he killed himself before he could be taken to trial.
For a long time, LE thought his man did the Evansdale murders. After all, two female minors were abducted at once in both crimes and were either killed or there was an attempt made to kill both of them. However, LE said that this man’s MO was completely different from the MO used in the Evansdale murders, so he probably didn’t do it.
Lists have been made of all of the similarities between the Evansdale Murders and the Delphi Murders. The coincidences are shocking. The dates of the Evansdale and Delphi Murders are exactly reversed. Also both sets of girls were killed on the 13th, traditionally an unlucky number and day.
If LE suspects Mr. X of both crimes, this means that he was living in Delphi at the time of the Delphi murders, moving away only recently. He lived in Delphi most of the last decade. Around 2011-2102 was when he first moved to Delphi. Prior to that he had been bouncing around small towns in Indiana. At this time, he had a male roommate who suspects Mr. X in not only the Delphi murders but also the Evansdale Murders. If Mr. X killed the Evansdale girls, he was living in or around Delphi at the time. It would have been a long-distance murder. So Mr. X would have lived in Delphi when he committed both the Evansdale and Delphi Murders.
BG May Well Be a Serial Killer
It is important to note that if BG also committed the Evansdale Murders, he is a serial killer. I have felt from the start that BG might be a serial. The crime was too brazen and skillfully carried out to be a first shot. And who wakes up at age 51 and decides to commit horrible sex murders? Pretty much nobody. He would have been 46 when he did the Evansdale Murders, but he may have committed a sex crime between the ages of 16-26, so there’s your prior earlier in life. Almost all of these guys have red flags like this early ion life.
Mr. X May Have an Aberrant Age Sexual Orientation
I hate to bring up this subject since it sets off so many lies about me, but I’m forced to because Mr. X may have an aberrant age sexual orientation and this has forensic consequences. First a brief tutorial on age orientations in men.
Sexual orientation is not just towards sex as in homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual.
Males have three main age orientations:
Teleiophile: Maximally attracted to mature females 16+. All normal males fall into this category. The react to 13-15 year old girls too, but at a lower level. And 90-100% of them react to even girls from 7-12, albeit at a substantially lower level. The presence of attractions is not what is important here. The importance lies in the degree of the attractions relative to other ages. Depending on the definition, 23% of teleiophilic men also show strong attraction to girls under 16. However, as they have strong attractions to mature females also, we tend not to worry about these men. There are too many of them anyway.
Some teleiophilic killers go as low as 12 as Bundy did, but that is because 12 year old girls are barely starting to look like women, especially with the abnormally long legs. These killers almost never commit sex murders of little girls. Or if they do, they do it when they are boys. For instance, Bundy killed an 8 year old girl when he was 14. But that’s a fairly normal attraction for a 14 year old boy to have.
Hebephile: Although age ranges vary, I prefer the age range of 12-15 for hebephiles. Some move the lower end down a bit. These men are maximally attracted to pubescent girls and have little to no attraction to mature females. Perhaps ~3% of men are primary hebephiles. Hebephilia is not considered to be a mental disorder as attraction to pubescent females is quite normal among teleiophilic men. The Delphi Killer could have been either a hebephile or a teleiophile based on the age of his victims.
However, ~23% of men react maximally to girls age 12-15 at a level equal to or higher than their reaction to mature females. So high attraction to girls in this range is quite normal. The thing is that these men are also strongly attracted to adult women. The hebephilic attraction is an antisocial attraction. The attraction to adult women is a prosocial attraction. Probably most of these men repress or suppress their hebephilic urges which will land them in prison if they act on them and instead focus on their prosocial urges towards adult women, which are completely legal.
Hebephilia is a problem when men have little to no attraction to mature females so the only way to satisfy their sexual urges is to have sex with a 12-15 year old girl. That’s illegal in most places, either child molestation in the case of 12 year olds or statutory rape for 13-15 year olds. In quite a few countries, 15 year old girls are legal, so hebephiles may stay out of trouble there. These men are automatically dangerous because the only way to fulfill their sexual drive is to commit a crime.
Pedophilia: Probably the most grotesquely abused word of the 21st Century. Nowadays an 18 year old boy has sex with a 17 year old girl, gets arrested, goes to jail, gets called a pedophile and a child molester, and sees his name go on a sex offender registry for life. This is a result of a huge Sex Panic around the sexuality of teenage girls because we cannot acknowledge that they are fully sexual creatures without falling into a Puritanical moral panic.
As a result of this mass hysteria around the subject, the perfectly legitimate category of statutory rape (I prefer the term illegal intercourse) has been absurdly conflated with the child molestation of little girls under 13, which admittedly is a problem. Stat rape is psychologically normal behavior for adult men. It is a moral and legal problem, not a psychological one. Many adults feel that men who have sex with teenage girls are bad, evil, depraved, immoral, etc.
Because of society’s morals, much of this behavior is illegal. Societies have a right to have any morals they wish to. Stat rape is probably not harmful to teenage girls. But it is dangerous behavior for men to engage in, as you might get caught and go to jail or prison in the midst of an insane moral panic about this subject. Older men who break these laws are idiots and do not get my sympathy.
Anyway, pure pedophilia is an age orientation whereby men are maximally attracted to girls under 13 and have little to no attraction to mature females. Many start losing interest in girls as soon as they hit 13. It is associated by child molestation, but not all pedophiles molest, and many can go 20-30 years without offending. Also, 75% of child molesters are not pedophiles. They are teliophilic men who are just criminals who prey on easy targets. This behavior is associated with other forms of abuse such as psychological, physical, and verbal abuse. It’s just another form of abuse from an abusive man.
On the other hand, strong pedophilic attraction is quite normal in men. It is only abnormal where it is combined with little or no attraction to adult women. 21% of men react to girls under 13 as strongly or stronger than they do to adult women. But only 3% of men are pure pedophiles, so 18% of men have strong attractions to both mature women and little girls. As with the hebephilic attraction above, men who have high attraction to both women and little girls presumably suppress or repress their antisocial pedophilic attraction and focus on their prosocial attraction to adult women. It sounds like a good way to stay out of prison.
Pure pedophiles are automatically dangerous because the only way they can fulfill their sexual urges is by committing the serious crime of child molestation. Pedophilia, a way of thinking or a sexual orientation, is of course completely legal as are all ways of thinking. However, the behavior that can result from this thinking, child molestation, is very much illegal, and rightly so.
Based on the pure forensics, the Evansdale Killer is a pedophilic sex murderer or a misophile. The Delphi Killer is either a hebephilic sex murderer or he has a normal age orientation and is a teliophilic sex killer. The problem is what do we do when a man kills two girls, 8 and 10 and then kills two more girls, 13 and 14. In the first crime, the killer is almost always pedophilic and in the second crime, the man rarely if ever pedophilic.
A solution to this problem lies in the notion of pedohebephilia.
Pedohebephilia: Apparently there is a significant group of men who react maximally to girls under 16 all the way down to little girls, encompassing both pedophilic and hebephilic attractions. They have little to no attraction to mature females or adult women. The available literature suggests that this group is larger than we thought.
Does Mr. X Have an Aberrant Age Attraction?
The answer appears to be yes. If Mr. X killed the Evansdale girls, we have to think again about his sexual age orientation. Many killers with a normal age orientation will kill teenage girls since they look like women. So they kill teenage girls and grown women because they both look like women. Killers of teenage girls do not typically have an abnormal age orientation as it’s perfectly normal for healthy males to be highly aroused by underage teenage girls. The studies are clear on this.
However, killers who commit sexual murders of little girls under 13 are a different breed. This is beyond the pale for even most serial killers. The one murder that Ted Bundy would never confess to was an 8 year old girl he is thought to have killed when he was only 14 years old. Even for Ted Bundy this was considered shameful. Men who kill teenage girls and women almost never commit sexual murders of little girls. Sex murderers of little girls almost always have a strong pedophilic age orientation, although occasionally they attack adults too, as in the killer of Madeline McMurray who murdered a 3 year old girl, probably killed an 8 year old girl in Germany, and raped and brutally beat a 70 year old woman.
Nevertheless, Madeline’s killer is strongly pedophilic, as a large quantity of child porn was found among his possessions. In addition, a number of little girls’ swimsuits were found in his van. Any man possessing such items will always have a strong pedophilic orientation.
I had previously thought that BG had a normal age orientation for the above reasons. However, 13-14 year old girls also fall into the range of hebephiles who are maximally aroused by 12-15 year old girls and feel little to no attraction to mature females.
I spent a bit of time on their forums studying them. They’re disturbing. They don’t post child porn on there, so their forums are clean. In case yiou think it’s weird to go to such forums, half the people in the forum were hebephiles and another half were hebephile haters threatening to kill the hebephiles and have them arrested. So it’s very common for non-hebephiles to be on these forums.
The hebephiles would scream, “No grandmas!” every time someone posted a 16 year old girl. If a man doesn’t think 16 year old girls are disgusting old ladies, he can’t possibly be a hebephile. This is what they are like.
The victims in the Evansdale and Delphi Murders were girls ranging in age from 8-14. The 8 and 10 year old girls fall into the pedophile category, and the 13 and 14 year old victims do fall into the hebephile category. You can see above that there is an age sexual orientation called pedohebephilia. When they were trying to sneak Hebephilia into the DSM-5, regular reference was made to this group.
Pedohebephiles combine both categories. They are maximally attracted to girls under 16 down to little girls and feel little to no attraction to mature females. If Mr. X did the Evansdale Murders, then he may be a pedohebephile in terms of age attraction.
This is more important than you think because age attractions of sex killers are an important part of forensics and especially profiling. Presumably we should look in the background of Mr. X to see evidence of a strong attraction to girls under 16, possibly combined with a low attraction to adult females.
In that case, he may collect child pornography or go to child porn sites. He may have child and teen erotica in his home. He may have shown evidence in his life of an abnormal interest in little girls or young teenage girls. People close to him may have noticed this over time. In fact, Mr. X was the leader of a young people’s Christian group. The ages of the minors in that group are not known. Investigators should be looking for a man with a strong focus on little girls and young teenage girls as preferred sexual objects. This should be an important part of the investigation.
More on the Official Case Document(s) I Obtained
I am keeping the number, nature, and provenance of the document(s) deliberately vague as I am trying to protect the source who mailed them to me as photocopies. As I discussed in my last update, I recently came upon photocopies one or more official document(s) relating to the case. The document(s) are from either LE or the judicial system or both at the same time. They are signed by two different entities. The document(s) are the property of a man in the community who was investigated as a suspect in this case and relate to LE’s investigation of him. He was cleared of involvement in the case.
Proof That BG Fired a Gun During the Crime
One of the revelations in those document(s) was that BG fired a gun during this crime. This has been subsequently appended by two new rumors that there was a bullet cartridge found at the site and that LE is looking for an odd gun, a collector’s edition .40 or 10mm, that was used in the crime.
It’s pretty clear that at least one cartridge was probably found at the scene because in the document(s), it says that LE is looking for a gun in connection with this crime in order to do ballistics tests on it. In order to do ballistics tests, you need a spent cartridge fired from the gun in question. That can only mean that BG fired a gun at some point in this crime.
The rumor that the gun was a collector’s edition .40 is definitely unconfirmed. I don’t even know the provenance of this rumor. See in the comments below though where a commenter casts doubt on the notion of any .40 gun being a collector’s edition.
Crime Scene Photos from the Helicopter Now Proven Legitimate
In my last post, I ran a number of photos taken from the helicopter footage on February 14, 2017 when the girls’ bodies were discovered. We focused on the area where you can see all the camera flashes going off in a circle. That has to be the crime scene with CSI people photographing the scene. There are a couple of reddish objects that can be very vaguely seen in the center of those camera flashes.
The photos were blown up and manipulated with software in a Youtube video by a theoretical physicist who seems credible. Many people say there is nothing there but pixellation and artifacts. However, I now have reason to believe that my analysis of these photos is correct. In order to discuss this, unfortunately I am going to have to print those photos again.
First pic above. Both Abby and Libby.
Second pic above. Libby alone.
Third pic above. Both girls, good quality image. Note the knife on or near Libby’s shoulder in green.
Libby’s legs highlighted above.
One of the things I pointed out in these images is that the killer spread both of the girls’ legs wide open after disrobing them below the waist. This is obviously a sexual position that females adopt when on their backs in order to be penetrated by males via PIV sex. It’s also quite violating considering the ages of these girls and what was done to them.
However, see below how I was able to validate that those are indeed crime scene photos above and that the girls legs were both spread and a knife was either plunged into poor Libby’s shoulder or the log next to her.
A Woman Member of the Search Team Who Came upon the Scene Afterwards Speaks
I recent talked to a woman who was part of the search team. She came upon the site after the girls had been found. What she told me, if validated, is one of the most bizarre and insane double murders of the 21st century.
First of all, we need to look at the credibility of this woman as a source. She was sent to me by a sleuther who I consider to be among the finest and most professional of all. This person told me that he found this woman to be very credible. She wasn’t the sort of person to make things up – more like the opposite.
There are references below to an elaborate crime scene with posing of the girls and all sorts of crazy and unlikely objects scattered about. First of all, I’ve been hearing these rumors forever, and I’ve been laughing as hard as anyone. I thought they were ridiculous. But now here I have a credible witness, a female member of the search team, who told me about this weird crime scene, and it turns out a lot of the crazy stuff I’ve been laughing at all this time may well be true.
A question has been brought up about how would BG transport these various objects to the crime scene, as they could easily been seen on his person in the photo on the bridge. I concur. The searcher is clear that one object was so large that he could have been carrying it when he was photographed on the bridge. I don’t believe he brought any of this stuff (other than the bleach bottle that can be seen in his left pant leg) to the crime scene when he abducted those girls.
Instead I believe he either prepared the crime scene in advance with all this weird stuff scattered about or he came back after the murders and created his little Fantasyland murder scene.
Girls Staged in a Sexual Tableau at the Crime Scene
She told me that both girls’ legs were spread. However, she had not yet seen these crime scene photos. Also, I had not talked to her before I ran those photos and determined that the girls’ legs were spread (see photos above). What is the likelihood that she made up a lie about the girls’ legs being spread at the same time as I found some crime scene photos that I interpreted as the girls’ legs being spread? About 0%. So I consider it proven now that BG disrobed both girls below the waist and then spread their legs wide in a sexual tableau imitating PIV sex.
Staging of a Knife Attack on a Girl Made to Appear Self-Inflicted
She said that Libby’s head was leaning against a log. A knife had been plunged either into her shoulder or on the log next to her shoulder. Libby’s hand was positioned to make her appear to be holding the knife that stabbed her in the shoulder. So Libby was posed inflicting a self-inflicted wound upon herself.
As you can see in the photo above, the object highlighted in green is obviously a knife. Once again, what are the odds that she made up a lie about a knife positioned just this way at the same time as I saw these photos and interpreted them as being of a knife positioned just this way? About zero. At this point, I consider it proven that BG plunged a knife into or near Libby’s shoulder.
Spreading their legs in that sexually receptive pose was bad enough, but BG did worse than that. According to this woman, BG had stripped both girls below the waist and had positioned phallic shaped objects between their legs perpendicular to their crotches. He placed a doll between poor Abby’s legs to make it appear she was being penetrated by a doll. Worse, he positioned a log in between poor Libby’s legs, making it appear that she was being penetrated with a log!
This would not be the first time women have been posed like this. I had the misfortune of seeing crime scene photos from the Hillside Strangler case. A dead woman is positioned in a bathtub, and a broom handle of an intact broom is shoved into her vagina.
But wait. Just when you thought things couldn’t get any worse, they do just that. Kind of like, you know, life itself?
Dolls Hanging from Trees at the Crime Scene!
Apparently the doll rumor is true!
The woman told me that dolls were scattered about at the scene in addition to the one shoved between Abby’s legs. Other dolls were, incredibly enough, hanging from the trees at the kill zone!
Giant Plush Stuffed Bear Toy at the Crime Scene? Who Knows? Maybe?
You’re heard the rumor of the gigantic stuffed animal left at the scene? That rumor was so pathetic that I discounted it immediately as ridiculous. Well, guess what? The woman told me that a large toy-like object was left at the scene. She didn’t tell me what it was, but she did say it was so large that BG could not possibly have smuggled it to the scene when he abducted the girls because it would have been seen in the video.
Smiley Face Killers Signature at the Crime Scene
There was also a large white sheet left at the scene with a smiley face scrawled on it. According to the theoretical physicist, he seemed to be saying that this smiley face sheet had been hung from trees. This crime scene is getting seriously nuts.
Remember the bizarre Smiley Face Murders, the possible drownings of severely intoxicated young adult college age men in the Eastern US over a period of 10-20 years? No one knows if these are actual murders or just accidental drownings, but there are a couple of retired crack detectives who are certain that these are homicides, albeit very cleverly disguised ones. I believe that these are homicides.
They are called the Smiley Face Murders because in many cases, smiley faces were seen drawn on bridges where the drowned bodies were found. It is thought that these drunken young men may have been tossed off of bridges. The other theory of course is that these are simply college aged men who drunk to severe intoxication before deciding to go for a fatal midnight swims. This has been the default interpretation of these murders. Assuming these really are murders, this person(s) may have invented the perfect crime: homicides designed as accidents.
This brings up another theory. One of my sleuther friends suggested that the killer is a serial killer fan. Possibly he is mixing up signatures of different killers in order to throw people off. That may or may not be the case.
Objects staged to appear to be shoved inside female victims’ vaginas would be an imitation of the Hillside Stranglers’ signatures. I’ve heard other killers used this signature, including a child killer in Indiana who was executed just last year who had rammed an object inside the vagina of a little girl he killed.
The smiley face cloth appears to be a reference to the Smiley Face Murders, a mystery involving many mysterious deaths that may be either accidents or homicides staged as accidents.
I don’t know of any serials who have used dolls in staging their crimes, but I suppose they may exist.
On the other hand, and I think this is a better theory, I think that at least some of these things are signatures particular to this killer. I say this because similar posing and objects were reported with the Evansdale Murders, who LE now suspects BG of committing.
Photo of Possible Bleach Bottle in BG’s Left Pant Leg
Another crazy rumor, that of a bleach bottle left at the scene, was also validated by the woman. In the photos below, you can see what may be the bleach bottle in his left jeans pocket.
It looks like he tossed bleach all over everything – the girls, the dolls, the plush object, the sheet, the crucifix, the log, you name it. Thereby killing all of the DNA.
DNA, SHMEE-ENAY, Give It a Rest Already
I get tired of all this endless talk of DNA. Assuming that Mr. X is the prime suspect, they already have his DNA. It’s all over the crime scene in the surrounding forest but it’s not on the girls or on any of the objects, probably because the threw bleach all over them.
I do have an unverified report that they have nine markers of a DNA profile via skin cells from an unknown male recovered from one of the girls. Problem is that’s not many markers. It’s known as a partial DNA sample. I don’t have the exact figures, but a match with Mr. X on those nine markers might mean that there’s a 1 in 10 chance it’s him. In other words, 10% of men have those markers. They can’t use that in court, but these partial matches are useful to LE because they give LE additional confidence that they have the right suspect.
Reportedly, LE has one smudged fingerprint from the crime scene. No one knows who it might be from. It doesn’t sound like it’s very usable.
The Crime Scene Had to Have Been Set up Before or Afterwards
Obviously, BG picked out this spot in advance and somehow planted the logs, dolls, sheet, plush object, etc. at the scene ahead of time without getting caught. He set up this crime scene before the murders. How did he do it? When? Why was he not seen?
Alternately, BG killed the girls and then went back to the scene between the sometime in the night of February 13 and early morning of February 14 and created this crazy Disneyland crime scene. The same questions posed above apply here too. I’m actually leaning towards the latter, as insane as that sounds. But really, if these crime scene rumors are true, just about anything, including the most insane notions, may be correct about this craziest of crimes.
Keep in mind that none of the wild stories above from the woman searcher are confirmed yet as they comes from a single, albeit seemingly unimpeachable, source. But we need more than that to confirm rumors in this case.* Nevertheless, the continuous nature of these bizarre rumors, now backed up by an excellent eyewitness, does add some credibility to these insane rumors.
If this crime scene is anything like what this woman describes it as, then this is shaping up to be one of the weirdest, most insane double homicides of the 21st Century.
*Notice that I am getting stricter about my criteria for confirmation of rumors in this case. We played fast and loose with words and phrases like confirmed, true, solid proof, etc. in this past. Once bitten, twice shy when it comes to that.
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Thanks for the update.
Seem to be a lot of trials going on here in Pueblo, Colorado.
We had missing Kelsie Shellie. They never found her body. The trial for her murder is over. Boyfriend is guilty. Still don’t have her body. I think it’s in a landfill. 😟
And then Gannon Staunch, who was most likely murdered by his stepmother, then buried here in Colorado Springs, and later dug up and dumped along a bridge construction site in Florida.
Stepmother’s really a piece of work. Says she wants to represent herself in court. Says a man broke in, raped her, and took Gannon. Except the neighborhood cameras caught her putting him in a truck all groggy and walking slow. When she came back…no Gannon. Gee, how did that happen? As far as Gannon Staunch, his stepmom is doing everything she can to slow down the trial. That’s my community.
That in addition to losing to police officers, one in the King Soopers shooting, along with the others who lost their lives there as well.
Wait. Cam caught her leading a groggy and slow walking Gannon to the truck? Did I understand that correctly?
There’s nothing wrong with blue eyes or Pepto.
I wouldn’t put a whole lot of faith in the “Rare Collectable Firearm” thing, a .40 Cal round, is a fairly common caliber. It’s probably #5 or 6 in popularity in the last two decades. Many, many pistols are chambered in that caliber, both expensive, and cheap ones. It’s a little harder hitting than a 9mm, and a little easier to control, than a .45acp.
Thx, I don’t know a damn thing about guns. I do talk to your wife on Facebook. She’s a great person and I bet you are too.
See, if there were spent rounds at the crime scene, that leads me to believe that he held the girls somewhere until the cover of nightfall, where no one would be on the public trails to see or hear anything. If he shot a gun that day around 3pm, other trail-goers would have reported hearing it. They didn’t.
I personally have thought the official timeline was too tight from the beginning. How can one man stalk, capture, and subdue not one but 2 victims by himself, march them to the kill zone, kill them, pose & violate their bodies, stage the scene, clean himself & the crime scene, change & dump his bloody clothes, and high tail it out of the woods on foot all in just under an hour? I don’t buy this timeline. I can’t. It’s impossible. Logic tells us that it would have taken him longer to carry out these murders.
I keep coming back to this theory. Rumor is there was one spent round at the scene. A gun was absolutely used though.
I wonder if on a rare collectors type .40 or 10 mm if a silencer can be used? I don’t know why everyone one says if he used a gun people would have heard…ya, and the area is also a prime deer hunting spot, so I imagine gunshots are nothing unusual or anything that draws attention of the locals around.
Thanks for the comment, Miss! Or shall I call you Filthy? Your choice, dear.
There’s no evidence one way or the other if a silencer was used in this crime. In fact, there’s almost no evidence of the use of a gun at all except that we have obtained two search warrants where they were looking for a gun, in both cases to do ballistics tests on it. They did take a gun from the Maxwell’s search, and they did ballistics tests on it, but it failed, so they gave it back. There’s a rumor of a cartridge at the scene, and apparently it’s true because otherwise, how would they know a gun was fired? There was no gunshot heard between 2:20-3:35 PM at the bridge, and there were people there. People have gone to the crime scene and fired guns, and you can hear them from the bridge for sure.
I thought I read something about two eyewitnesses who claimed to have seen “BG” on Feb 13th 2017. They’re supposedly where the older guy sketch originates from. Am I remembering that correctly? Some lady walking the trails and “flannel guy”? I wonder if they have any thoughts on Mr X?
Also. Man. I’ve only ever had to have my car toed once or twice in my life and it was because of malfunction. I’m going on nothing here but the car towing thing happens twice in a short time span and a short distance within eachother. Maybe just coincidence but just strikes me as odd that there’s all this dubious car towing going on in this small town during this time. Also if Mr X were in fact our guy, might this be the reason for the mixup regarding the lost key situation? Just a guess. Oh why is there a gag order on the details of the truck at CPS? That sucks.
I think FSG saw BG. A couple of other people saw him too. The lower half of his face was disguised with a white scarf. You can see it in the video. There may be more than two eyewitnesses.s
The two tows within 24 hours of each other are pretty weird all right. The lost key situation is a complete mixup.
Here is what I believe. Mr. X’s car got blocked in by police vehicles who arrived at the crime scene. The car had been there for 18 hours straight, from 6:30 PM 2/13 to 12:30 PM 2/14. WTF. They ask him to move his car, he says he can’t because he lost his keys. Apparently this is the reason his car sat there for 18 hours, get it? He was searching for the girls after 6:30 PM right where they happened to be, and he happened to lose his keys while searching for them. Hence the truck is still here.
He doesn’t say if he went home that night or what, and nobody else is talking either. But that’s why he’s still here. Lost his keys last night so he couldn’t drive his truck home. He says he’s going to call his wife and she’s going to bring him a spare set. He never calls her and there is no spare set. She never shows up. And it turns out he never lost his keys after all. They’re in his pocket the whole time.
LE gets tired of this and has his car towed. He sits there and lets his car get towed because if he pulls out his keys, they will see he’s a liar.
He’s also right in the midst of all the fun and games revolving around the discovery of the bodies. Oh boy! Whooopee! Good times. Cops and murder and bodies oh my! And they’re all here to look at his victims and they’re so stupid they can’t figure out he did it, so he’s basically taunting them and being brazen by staying right there the whole time. He loves all the drama and excitement and thrill of getting away with murder right under the noses of the cops lol neener neener you can’t catch me I’m smarter than you stupid pigs lol.
His truck gets towed and they go get it later. His wife is none the worse for lack of knowledge because he never called her and told her he lost his keys. He says my car got boxed in and they towed it, come help me. She comes and gives him a ride to the tow yard where they get the car out.
The story goes out, “Mr. X lost his car keys!” Family, friends, and wife all say it’s nonsense, he never lost his keys. This puts him in the clear except it doesn’t because all it does is show he was lying about losing his keys in the first place!
Eventually cops find out he never lost his keys at all and lied about it, never called his wife and told her to bring a spare set and there’s no spare set anyway because he lied about those two things too. Cops catch him in three different lies about why his truck is sitting right above the crime scene for 18 years within a 6 minute walk of the girls. Cops start to get suspicious. They don’t like it when people lie to them like that. Besides it looks suspicious as Hell.
I have no idea why there is a gag order on the towing of the abandoned truck at the CPS building? It’s weird as Hell, but so’s just about everything about this insane case.
Oh I see. You think maybe during that entire time he was “arranging” or putting the final touches on the scene as it were? I guess I just assumed that he corralled the girls there forcibly where things were already for the most part set up? I’d think the risk of drawing attention to himself during the night of the search would be too risky but then again so is killing the girls in broad daylight.
People are pretty adamant that there’s no way anyone could have brought all the “signature” items to the location where the girls were killed without anyone seeing him. From what it sounds like now, X’s truck was just a mere hop skip and a jump from the “killzone.” Its not far-fetched that he unloaded that stuff from the back of his truck at some point whether before or after he killed those girls. Also I had read somewhere on Reddit that years prior to the murder there was an incident where someone kept breaking into Logan’s shed on his property. I’d like to know more about that.
If all the items left are true and of course he would not have had them all on him on the bridge once again makes me look at the now demolished CPS building where all evidence would now be destroyed but what would have been in a old CPS building…possibly unwanted eft behind unloved toys …dolls, stuffed animals and even sheets are possible?
Hi, the CPS building is not Child Protective Services. I believe it is Crop Protection Services, as in for farmers. Obviously he put that stuff there before the crime or afterwards, but people claim the crime scene was searched in the early evening of the 13th and neither the girls or the items were there, so that looks like the girls were taken away (to a shack?) and brought back later and the items were brought back around the same time. So the girls may have been killed and the crime scene may have been staged later on.
The stuffed animal looks to be a Valentine’s stuffed animal. A very cruel addition to the crime scene as the girls may have been killed on Valentine’s Day. The animal appears to be holding something in its hand. The Valentine’s animals hold messages in their hands that say, “I love you,” etc. Pretty mean. And evil, too.
remember when Carter stated that they have something that belongs to the killer??? I always thought that maybe he REALLY did lose his keys,and thats what LE has, that belongs to the killer!!!
We have considered that.
I’ve speculated that too. But it would be easy enough to connect the keys to Mr. X’s truck if that were the case. Unless…they can’t use the keys as evidence! What I mean is what if Mr. X is claiming he lost his keys in the woods when he was “helping” with the search? There would be no way to know whether the keys were there because he killed the girls or because he was helping in the search efforts.
LE: “We believe we have something of yours.” Remember that?
Very surprised L.E. did not immediately search him and his vehicle let alone not call his wife to confirm his story.
I have seen kids standing outside of a 7/11 doing nothing more than loitering get grilled harder than an apparent murderer standing in the midst of the crime scene.
Do you think it’s possible that he might have dropped his keys in the woods during the abduction or at some point during the murders, and that’s why he was parked so far away from Logan’s property when he knocked on Rob’s door to ask to search for the girls? He couldn’t tell Logan he was searching for his keys as that would have raised red flags once police arrived, so he went with the excuse that he was “searching for the girls”.
It’s possible he found his keys somewhere in the woods, probably near the crime scene, during those 18 hours. Who knows? Maybe this was why he was the one who “found” the bodies during the search on day 2…because he knew his keys were there and needed to retrieve them before police found them first.
I just find no logical reason why Mr. X would stick around the area that long and keep his truck parked there that long with cops crawling all over. You’d think he’d want to be as far away from the woods as possible. It’s possible it was all a ruse so he could retrieve his keys from the kill zone.
He may have stuck around because he was busy shuttling the girls to wherever they hid them and then bringing them back to kill them. And he needed to be the one who found the girls to explain away any of his DNA at the crime scene.
Why does he show up at 6:30 PM, half an hour before the search is announced, to search for the girls, choosing Logan’s property where no one is looking, and parking his truck right by the kill zone? I’m still not understanding why he did this? What was the motivation?
I don’t think he moved the girls, but if so, my guess would be the CPS building, which I do not believe was ever searched & conveniently has been since demolished, so any evidence would be history.
Another thing is the so called scarf…possibly the sheet?
How would have have gotten into the CPS building? It was closed.
They searched shacks in the area after the crime. I know one man who lived nearby said the FBI came by and wanted to see any guns that he had and also wanted to know if he had any shacks on his property. This shows they had a gun cartridge from the scene and it also shows that a shack may well have played a part in this crime. And perhaps this is where the references to the movie “The Shack” at the presser came from.
The white thing around his neck is generally thought to be simply a white scarf. The female searcher at the crime scene who reported the white sheet with the smiley face on it decribed it to me as a white sheet, not a white scarf, so I think we are looking at two different items. Also one of the people who saw him walking away from the crime said his face was still obscured by the white scarf, so it looks like he wore the white scarf away from the scene.
Thanks for your comments!
Interesting point. He might also have been looking for the girls cell phone.
If BG was parked at the cemetery why did he walked back threw the trails…after killing the girls , so either FSG is lying about seeing BG AFTER the killing of the two girls or he seen BG before the killings..makes sense right ?
The main suspect was parked at the cemetery at least from 6:30 PM on. We don’t know if he was there earlier.
That is why he needed his 🚛 there for 18 hrs, also why he couldn’t have anyone see inside. I have always had this creep at the top of my lists never knew he didn’t lose his keys though I thought that was a ruse that he lost them in the struggle.
Perfect. You’re getting it. Good for you! I work with a lot of females. Most of my sleuths are females. You wonder if women make good detectives because you always see a detective as a man. But my finest sleuths have consistently been my female sleuths. My male sleuths are too logical. They always get caught up in these doubting logic traps that send them down dead ends or cause them to question the obvious.
My female sleuths are not that great in logic, but their intuition is incredible. And these sleuthing detective stuff is an incredibly intuitive task. My female sleuths just look at the pieces of the puzzle and put it together BAM. It’s obviously BAM. It has to be BAM. The see the whole thing. They see the forest not the trees. My male sleuths are running around measuring each individual tree and getting the wrong answers and my female sleuths climb up on the hill and see the whole damn forest perfectly.
See that? You KNOW you’re right. Bingo. That’s intuition, the Gestalt, I know it when I see it. A flash of certainty.
Paul’s doing some pretty nice intuitive work up above though. He gets a bit sidetracked but then he sees it or he thinks he sees it. He throws up a smoke signal that says, “This is it, right?” The answer is Bingo. Good job Paul!
I’m glad you mentioned the struggle. As awful as it is to think about, it’s reported that Libby “fought like hell.” I wonder if there is any way to know what Mr X’s attire was that day at the creek and in the days immediately following. I realize it was February but they point out it was uncharacteristically warm.
Could there be indication he went out of his way to obscure bruising/cuts/scrapes he received from said struggle during the search? If he is really as clever as some think (I’m still undecided on that), I realize there are many ways around this. I know there’s a thought that he cuffed the girls at some point which obviously would restrict them but then what does “fought like hell” refer to? They never mention DNA underneath her fingernails, but then again the bleach measure would nullify it anyways. Hmm.
That statement about Libby fighting like Hell isn’t really well-sourced. It’s sourced to a relative of hers, say, an uncle. And Leaker says the girls were both handcuffed. Dirt under Libby’s nails is consistent with her being on her back with her hands cuffed behind her back. Presumably she was struggling there on the ground, maybe trying to get the handcuffs off. And I can tell you for sure she was thrashing like a fish out of water when BG was blitzkrieging her neck. She lived for five seconds after he started cutting her, so it must have been over awful quick.
On the other hand, if the girls’ hands are cuffed at the crime scene, how does BG undress the girls? Does he kill them as quickly as possible to get them out of the way (my theory), and then he strips Libby completely and Abby bottomless. Then he does his dirty deeds done dirt cheap with their dead bodies, posing, staging, signatures, etc. There’s no DNA under Libby’s nails. They’re just bruised up and real dirty.
Oh it was a family member who said she fought? That makes more sense. Thank you for clarifying.
Nichole maybe he lost his keys during the killing of the girls and had to go back asking RL if he could search for the missing girls really searching for his keys.
Nobody really knows this. We think he never lost his keys, but we’re not sure about that.
“We think we have something of yours.” Do they have his car keys?
Would mr x have parked his car in the graveyard earlier during the crime or was it there only after 630pm monday?
We really are starting to think that maybe that truck didn’t just magically show up at 6:30 PM on the day of the murders.
My thoughts as well
It’s certainly possible.
Sorry to blow the comments section here up but I just wanted clarification on something.
So accordingly there is 4 entrances to this Monon High Bridge trail the girls started on. Kelsi dropped them off at the entrance by the Mears property from what I’ve gathered. I was reading forum back and forths on the whole Mr. X truck towing debacle. Sleuthers suspicious, question the key being lost, then not lost, then truck towed, and others insist he never lost his keys, never claimed to, and asked Ron Logan permission to search his property rather to supposedly find the girls.
God, I’d love to know what Ron’s take is on all this, not that he’s the most reliable guy either from what I understand. This second group rationalizes that X couldn’t move his truck on the night of February 13th because by then he was barricaded by the police. I wasn’t there, so obviously I cant say for sure but I would definitely like to know more about the source of info that he was claiming he lost his keys. Some have said the missing keys were mentioned on the police receivers that night.
Anyway, this whole discrepancy got me thinking a bit…with there being four entrances, why did the police not go to the Mears entrance to start their search, seeing as it is the place Abby and Libby were last known to be? Depending on what is to be believed about Mr. X, we know why he chose the cemetery entrance, but why did LE choose that one in particular?
I know, with only a handful the chances, they hit the one closest to the murder site isn’t too improbable (not letting Mr X. off the hook that easily though, especially at 6 pm before the search even started) but still you’d think they would of started the first night at least canvasing the area the girls were last seen. Is it maybe due to available parking? Is the cemetery entrance just for some reason more accessible? Is there some other reason?
At any rate, the way I see it, choosing his killzone in that more visible area when he could have literally done it anywhere on that large amt of wilderness is in a way support for the “signatures” claim. Although riskier, it was a tradeoff for an access point where he could transport most of the materials required for his “staging” of the crime scene.
Man, this guy is absolutely brazen. I wouldn’t say he wants to be caught but he definitely gets his jollies by taking his chances. When I first heard that there were eyewitnesses, I had assumed he had encountered them after the murders had taken place in the timeline. That is true at least of “flannel shirt” guy. I never knew that he actually interacted with the lady walking her dogs BEFORE he abducted and killed the girls.
That to me is simply astonishing that he went through with it after making small talk with a witness. This guy is absolutely brazen as all Hell, and I’m giving him another year or two before his confidence is restored and he does it again.
Blowing up the comments section is just fine. We also have a paid sleuthing group if you are interested in joining. Costs $20. We had 200 members for a few years. There’s a lot more freedom in there to name names, addresses, phone numbers, really sleuth people out the way we can’t do in here. Just letting you know in case you are interested.
Where on the site do I register?
Register for what?
Donate $20 on front page. Then you get a password and you are in.
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Law enforcement would start investigating to attempt to best locate the offender in this case by understanding the crime scene. While the entire area where Abby and Libby were dropped off is important; the crime scene was given priority just like finding witnesses. Law enforcement is not focused on building a case at the time but stopping another incident. Over time that shifts into case management but not initially beyond case preservation, collection, and testing including witnesses and other forms of documentation like photographs, mapping, any searches, etc.
If he was parked at the cemetery why did he walk back threw the trails with the chance of someone seeing him..doesn’t make any sense to me. And isn’t a hike back to the cemetery where if it’s MrX his truck was parked. More like he was parked by the welfare building before the killings and parked at the cemetery after the killings to stage the scene! Now that makes more sense to me!
We don’t know he was parked at the cemetery. The main suspect was parked at the cemetery from 6:30 PM on. We don’t know if he was there earlier or not. I’m thinking maybe not. They are both in the same direction. Yes, he was parked at the CPS building (it’s Crop Protection Service) before the killings and then cemetery after the killings to stage the scene, correct! That’s an excellent theory and that is exactly what I am thinking. You just join the private group if you can afford it.
The document I have does not list Mr. X as a suspect in this crime. Ok? Just talks about some stuff they are looking for. Obviously we need to dig deeper into this man you are referring to. What makes you think that picture of a football player references Mr. X? Does it say that anymore in the caption? It just says this photo is not important and pay no attention to it, right? Well, ok, nowhere in that piece is that football player connected to Mr. X. I think that is just a photo of some random football player myself.
Wow, so many details I have never found before. Great sleuthing. One question rang out to me as I was reading. If the sheet, bear, dolls, etc. were there, wouldn’t that have all been visible from further away and seen easier than the guy zooming in with his camera at a couple deer? Especially a sheet hanging up?
No one knows that sheet is at the scene at all, much less hanging on a tree. We regard that as unverified with substantial likelihood of being true.
As far as your question goes, there are a lot of things about this case that make no sense, that being one of them.
Law enforcement would start investigating to attempt to best locate the offender in this case by understanding the crime scene. While the entire area where Abby and Libby were dropped off is important; the crime scene was given priority just like finding witnesses. Law enforcement is not focused on building a case at the time but stopping another incident. Over time that shifts into case management but not initially beyond case preservation, collection, and testing including witnesses and other forms of documentation like photographs, mapping, any searches, etc.
I donated $20 where is the premium chat?
The updated content found here of notes and comments is far more interesting than the LE updates since they must abide by the limits of sealed documents. After reading about the case elsewhere and reading much of this, I’d like to make a few comments.
Idk if what’s already typed within the above blog is correctable. If so, there is an error in labels of the crime scenes photos. Specifically, in one photo it is stated both bodies are circled: AW’s in green; LG’s body is blue. After that photo however, another of the same photo has only the body of AW circled, referring to it mistakingly as being that of LG.
On the question of whether LE found a set of “lost” keys belonging to Mr. X, imo it was likely something else LE had in their possession. I drew this conclusion believing that a set of car keys found in that area near the crime scene, with knowledge that Mr. X claimed to have lost his, would have given LE probable cause for a search warrant to determine if the keys were in fact his, plus to search his vehicle for any possible evidence linking Mr. X to the murders.
It’s a heinous crime and I’m thankful to God Mr. X is in custody. Good to see that little smile he sometimes has, replaced by dilated pupils in his mug, full of anxiety, not knowing how much LE has on him. Wonder about his wife & daughter — what all’s comprising their reactions to all this. Some things we can take an educated guess at; but what if either one or both had ever had it cross their minds, e.g., that their family member resembles . . . BG?
It could be very interesting to hear from anyone who was familiar with Mr. X in his childhood; what was he like? Did he have family dysfunction? Any signs he was abused or struggling somehow, or otherwise operating in an unhealthy state?
Sorry, that was supposed to be ” . . . LG’s body in blue.”
Wearing a mask outdoors, in the wilderness (& at this stage of the pandemic) could be said to be coming from a thoughtful, conscientious, health-focused person. Someone who, for the sake of his well-being and that of others, would rather be a bit uncomfortable, masked up on a lovely & unusually warm day, taking scrupulous care for good reasons.
On the flip side, in the dark world of a killer, a mask and cap obscure recognition.
Someone wrote Mr. X was seen leaving — after doing his evil deeds? . . . If no one saw blood on him, I’m guessing he had donned a covering of sorts that he could remove quickly. If the facts herein are correct, I agree his evil appears to have been planned, perhaps even well in advance. With his staging the crime scene, positioning the bodies, and recording his crimes, it could be he not only wanted a souvenir, but was attempting to use photo, video, & whatever available to perhaps sell for profit — & (or) to gain some sick status in his dark world. . . . Thank God whatever his motive, it has not worked out well for him . . .
Wonder who was the person who called in a tip, & what they had to say.
Right? I thought it was KK? Snitched on him in jail, likely so his own sick charges would be reduced.
I dunno about the whole mask thing.. if I saw someone walking around outside in the wood wearing a mask with little/no one else around I’d instantly think he was sus
KK didn’t snitch on Mr. X. He snitched on Richard Allen, who is surely not the killer of those girls.
Has it been proven that BG was wearing a mask?
Yes, BG definitely videotaped his crime. We know that for a fact. And he sent it to one of the girls’ phones after the murders. There are persistent rumors of a murder tape that got put out on the Internet. It’s possible that KK and Allen were the people trying to market this murder tape. It may have been livestreamed over the Yello livestreaming site in France.