Alt Left: Two Different Types of Sexual Orientations – Gender/Sex and Age

There are different types of sexual orientations.

Sex/Gender Orientation

First is the orientation to persons or objects of attraction. Heterosexuals are primarily attracted to the opposite sex. Homosexuals are mostly attracted to their own sex. Bisexuals have significant attraction to both sexes.

Sexual Orientation and Sexual Behavior Are Not Synonymous

Sexual orientation is somewhat independent of behavior. Heterosexuals are quite capable of homosexual behavior, and many homosexuals engage in some heterosexual sex. Bisexuals may be behaviorally heterosexual or homosexual for long periods of time.

Orientation is what you are primarily attracted to – behavior is who you have sex with. In cases such as ancient Sparta, the two did not line up very well at least for teenage boys and young men.

Age Orientation

The second is age orientation.

Teleophilia

Most people, including me believe it or not, are teleophiles – that is, they are primarily attracted to mature persons. This usually means age 16+ because 16-17 year old adolescents are almost indistinguishable from adults in terms of their sexual features.

As the age of the person declines below age 16, teleophilic attraction tends to decline, however, all men still have measurable but much lower attraction even to girls aged 7-13. Some studies show that normal male attraction to girls declines steadily from age 16 to a very low level at age 7, and below age 7, there is no measurable attraction. This is probably correct and any man with significant attraction to very small girl children below 7 is no doubt quite pedophilic.

Girls still have female features of women, especially after age 7, and these features grow more prominent from age 7-12. Around age 10-11, most girls develop very long legs; in short, the legs of a woman. Normal males are attracted to girls this age mostly to the extent that they like their legs, since their legs look like an adult woman’s.

The more a minor looks and acts like a woman, the more attractive she will be a normal male. The more a minor looks and acts like a child, the less attractive she will be to a normal man. The opposite is true for a man with a pedophilic or hebephilic attraction.

For instance, letting little girls under age 13 wear makeup is probably a very bad idea because many normal men say that when little girls put on makeup, they start to look a lot more attractive to men. I can concur that this occurs. It also makes me very uncomfortable. A little girl is not a sexual creature, as she has no sex drive per se. Why sexualize a non-sexual creature? Childhood for both boys and girls below age 13 should be sexless. Normal children have little or no interest in sex.

Note that since teleophiles react maximally in the lab to 16-17 year old girls and most Americans consider such a strong attraction to be “pedophilia,” the remarkable conclusion is that the current feminist and social conservative hysteria about “pedophilia” means that 100% of normal American men are pedophiles! That sounds like the very definition of a mass hysteria right there!

Ephebephilia

There are also ephebephiles like Jeffrey Epstein who are primarily attracted to girls age 15-19 or mid to late adolescents. Girls this age often have significant to fully developed adult features and bodies. Psychiatry has decided that ephebephilia is completely normal, therefore, there was nothing wrong with Epstein psychologically.

Epstein was not a pedophile in any sense of the word despite continuous descriptions of him in this way. Nevertheless, most men are probably not ephebephiles.

Women reach their peak attractiveness to normal men at age ~23. Men reach their peak attractiveness to women at age ~27. As you can see, women prefer their men a bit older and men prefer their women a bit younger. This seems to be a natural tendency of the human race as even the Romans remarked up this fact of human nature.

A man can still have a child when there is snow on the roof (when his hair is White), but a woman’s time is short.

– Roman saying of unknown provenance.

Hebephilia

Hebephiles are primarily attracted to pubertal persons around the age 12-15. All attraction is gone by age 16. Hebephilia is quite a bit more normal than you might think. 26% of all men react as strongly or stronger in the lab to 12-14 year old girls than they do to women.

In most cases there is strong attraction to mature females too, so most of these men never act on this attraction as adults. Hebephilic attraction is generally antisocial in adults, whereas attraction to mature persons is pro-social. Faced with strong prosocial and antisocial attractions, most probably focus on the prosocial attraction and repress or suppress the antisocial one.

Considering that idiot popular culture (99% of people) would say that any man as or more attracted to 12-14 year old girls as to adult women is clearly a pedophile, our ludicrous culture would easily class a minimum of 26% of all men as pedophiles. That’s 28 million “pedophiles” in the US, idiots. Good luck executing all of them or locking them all away forever!

It is important to note that hebephilia per se is not considered to be a mental disorder in any way. In other words, it is quite normal. Nevertheless acting on it is a moral and legal problem but probably not a psychological one as in mental health we don’t deal with crime as mental abnormality per se. We are only concerned if people are crazy or disordered or not.

Pedophilia

Pedophiles have a primary attraction to children under age 13. It is quite common. 3% of adult men or 3.3 million American men are pure pedophiles of this type. Substantially more common are men who are as attracted to children under 13 as they are to mature persons. 18% of all US men fall into this category for a total of 21% of all men being as attracted to children under 13 as they are to adults, a shocking figure. Our current culture would clearly call all of these men pedophiles. So once again we end up with 20 million “pedophiles.” Good luck executing or imprisoning for life 20 million American men, moral hysterics!

Note that we don’t even bother to call all men who react maximally to children under 13 pedophiles! We would have to call 20% of all men pedophiles, and no one wants to do that. In mental health, we are mostly concerned with the 3% pure pedophiles because the only way they can satisfy their sexual urges is with a child under 13. This makes these men dangerous almost by definition. Hence it is recommended that they get with an empathetic therapist regularly to keep from acting on their attraction and offending.

Here probably even more than with hebephiles, most of this 18% of men above probably repress or suppress the antisocial attraction to children under 13 and instead focus on the equally strong attraction to mature persons.

In contrast to hebephilia, pedophilia is considered a mental disorder if it is upsetting to the person or if they have acted on their urges with children under 13. It is interesting to note that pedophiles who have never molested children and are not bothered by their attraction are considered to be completely normal psychologically.

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10 thoughts on “Alt Left: Two Different Types of Sexual Orientations – Gender/Sex and Age”

  1. >Women reach their peak attractiveness to normal men at age ~23

    Oh please, you can’t be that dumb. If this is true then why is teen porn so popular? Real-world data suggests that hebephilia and ephebophilia* are the norm for men, just as biology predicts.

    Look, most sexologists are just plain idiots. I’ve spoken to some of them like Cantor and Seto. They’re just not very smart. The real smart people go into fields like quantum chemistry or theoretical evolutionary genetics. The people that go into sexology are mostly third-rate intellects and the whole field is obviously biased by current social attitudes. Back in ancient Rome the AOC was 12 and it was common practice for grown men to marry and fuck girls about 14. If we lived back then these people would be saying that it’s perfectly normal for men to want to fuck young girls. Nowadays social attitudes and laws and very different and, surprise, surprise, these “experts” are claiming that being attracted to girls that young is abnormal and evolutionary maladaptive, because that’s what society today wants to be true.

    What matters is the amount of offspring a female can give a man over the long-term. This is highest for girls just prior the beginning of their reproductive lifespan, i.e. girls in the hebe-ephebo range. This is the preference see in real-world data.

    For instance, a recent study found that the most popular age for women on dating sites was 18, i.e. the lowest age allowed. Judging by how steep that graph line is the real peak is well below the age of 20.

    https://i.imgur.com/mv3WEsf.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/YnUgcc6.png

    The same appears to be true of virtual dating too. This is Xiaoice, China’s most popular AI gf. She’s “18” years old but she’s obviously modeled on a girl about 14. That’s what the market wants.

    https://i.imgur.com/V59XsA1.jpg

    *I don’t like these categories very much as they don’t line up very well with real-world data. Female attractiveness is much more closely correlated with reproductive value than specific stages of development. Just take a look at this RV graph and how well it lines up with the data from dating sites.

    https://i.imgur.com/ez6E3lo.jpg

    18yo college girls and 35yo MILFs are put into the same “teleio” category despite them having wildly different RVs. 14 and 18yr olds are put into distinct “hebe” and “teleio” categories despite having similar RVs. These people simply don’t know what they’re doing.

    1. I believe that they have studied it and the age of peak attractiveness for men is 23. For women it is 28. For gay men it is the lowest at ~18.

      Real-world data suggests that hebephilia and ephebephilia

      Hebephilia is absolutely not the norm for men. I am not sure how many men qualify as preferential hebephiles. But 26% all men qualify as either pedophiles or hebephiles, having equal or greater attraction to girls under 16.

      Ephebephilia is peak attraction to girls age 15-19. I don’t think most adult men’s idea of the perfect partner is a teenybopper.

      The rate of Ephebephilia has never been tested in the lab because Ephebephilia is not a mental disorder. Further, it’s not even abnormal! That said, no way do most men have a preference for silly teenage girls.

      Nowadays social attitudes and laws and very different and, surprise, surprise, these “experts” are claiming that being attracted to girls that young is abnormal and evolutionary maladaptive, because that’s what society today wants to be true.

      It’s not. 23% of men have very strong attraction to those girls, and 3% of men are pedophiles. That said, true pure hebephiles think 16 year old girls are “grandmas.” They’re idiots. It’s hard to argue that 26% of all men are abnormal.

        1. For women, men’s attractiveness peaks at age 28. Repeated studies have indicated that for men, the prime age for women is 23. It’s not lower or 14-18. A lot of us older men are not that attracted to those young girls much at all. It’s too much of a girl! I want a woman, not a girl!

          1. I rejected a lot of girls growing up because they looked too young. I was not attracted to flat-tops that looked way younger than I was. Made fun of the one Asian in my High School for liking little Lolitas.

            I’m a big Cory Chase fan. Love fit MILFs. My theory is if you mature physically earlier, as I did, you like more mature looking women. I’ve covered this before.

            So the East Asian-Black puberty scale would match the jailbait-MILF attraction scale. I’ve seen a young Black man kissing an unwilling old White lady in the park. Raping an old White lady and stealing her pearls seems to be a uniquely Black crime. Not to mention all the Miss Daisy’s willingly getting driven by young bucks.

            On a hot summer day, the East Asian gets fresh-squeezed lemonade from a little girl’s lemonade stand. The Black picks the ripest and fattest watermelon in the patch.

  2. And I don’t think we should put too must trust in those primitive dick-meters. They have many problems, the biggest of which is that people change their behavior when they’re being observed.

  3. I can’t eat Subway without thinking of Jared Fogle and Jewish sexuality. The other Hebephilia.

    Far right has zero tolerance for pedos. They want to kill them. Some neocons feel the same. The Cultural Left seems against White males even looking at girls, whatever the intention.

    I like how Robert is logical about taboo topics, as most people don’t seem to be.

  4. Hello, I’ve been reading some evo-psych and sexology, and I’ve come across some things I think are very wrong. I just want to explain what I think is wrong about these ideas. Most of what I say will probably just be ignored by people in the field, but I’ll say it anyway.

    —Men like ’em young, but how young?—

    I’ve often seen it claimed in the evo-psych literature that the best females for men to go for in ancestral times were those in their late teens at peak reproductive value. Many people just nod their heads in agreement with this claim without knowing that this is not really how it works in the real world. In primitive foraging societies the girls are actually married off quite a bit younger than that. Most girls are married off by the time they’re 16, so focusing on girls after that age would obviously not have been the best strategy.

    In order to stand a chance at monopolizing the females’ reproductive lifespans, the best females to go for are those just prior the onset of their fertility, not after it, and this is what we see happening in primitive foraging societies. The girls are usually married off and the men start having sex with them a few years before they become fertile.

    By getting a female slightly before the onset of her fertility, you can guarantee she hasn’t been impregnated by any other males and still has all her reproductive years ahead of her. The price you pay for doing that is that you’re going to have to wait several years before she starts giving you offspring, but it’s not a big problem.

    I’ve seen some evo-psychs claim that women about 20 would have been the best for long-term relationships in ancestral times. Now, this is just completely out of touch with reality. Girls in foraging societies usually start reproducing before they’re 20, so what these evo-psychs are saying is that the best females to go for would have been those that are already married off and up the duff by some other man in the tribe. Complete nonsense.

    The best females to go for would have been those that aren’t yet married off and started reproducing. The typical age of a girl’s first pregnancy in foraging societies is about the mid to late teens so men would do best by aiming for girls under that age. If focusing on 20yr olds is such a winning strategy then how come we don’t see men in foraging societies using it?

    Instead we see girls get married off much younger than that, and it’s certainly not 20 yr olds that sell for the highest price in bride markets. It’s usually girls much younger than that. In a recent study in child marriage in Tanzania they found that girls about 13 were selling for over double the price of 20 yr olds. If these evo-psychs are going to keep on ignoring real-world data like this, then they can’t call themselves proper scientists.

    In his paper arguing that hebephilic preferences are maladaptive, Blanchard claimed that taking on pubescent wives would not be a workable strategy since you’d have to wait a few years before they’d start reproducing, but this argument is just more nonsense that ignores real-world data. We know the strategy works fine because we see it working.

    It’s common practice in foraging societies for men to marry girls a few years before they reach reproductive age. The most common age is about 14, and that’s only the age they’re officially married, the relationship often begins a few years before that.

    Sure, the men have to wait a few years before they start getting offspring from their wives, but it just isn’t much of a problem and easily outweighed by the advantages of getting a female guaranteed to have all her fertile years ahead of her. If it was as big a problem as Blanchard claimed, then it wouldn’t have become common practice to marry girls that young.

    12yo girls in HG societies on average live into their 50s, so claims that your 12yo wife may die before she starts giving you offspring are more nonsense. Sure, she MIGHT die, but the chances are she’ll live all the way to menopause and be able to give you plenty offspring along the way. Again, real-world data is being ignored. Two other ridiculous claim in his hebephilia paper are, first about the fact that pubescent girls in foraging societies are often closely guarded to protect them from sexual harassment and rape, and second, about the reproductive statistics from the Pume tribe.

    Blanchard mentioned that pubescent girls are often guarded by their male relatives and claimed that this is somehow evidence that being attracted to pubescent girls is abnormal. Wait, what? If they DIDN’T have to be guarded that would be evidence that the men aren’t interested in them. The fact they have to be closely guarded just goes to show how much the men want them.

    When a girl in a primitive foraging society comes up to puberty and sprouts perky, eye-catching boobs, she has now entered her most attractive time of life, and all the men notice. She’s now a perky little Lolita, a young maiden, her body is tight and fresh, her boobs are pert, and her face young and cute.

    She is now at the age she suffers the most sexual harassment and is most likely to be sexually assaulted or abducted by raiders who want to keep her for themselves. That’s why she has to be closely guarded at that age. By the time she gets to about 20 and started reproducing she’s past her peak, the men lose a lot of interest in her and she no longer has to be closely guarded.

    Her boobs have started going saggy from breast-feeding, she has stretch-marks on her stomach, pregnancy has made her fatter, and her face has lost its youthful freshness and sparkle.

    The risk of sexual assault follows the same pattern in our societies. Girls are most likely to be victims of sex crimes between the onset of puberty and the beginning of adulthood. The males in our species are focusing on the females just prior the beginning of their reproductive lifespan when their long-term reproductive potential is at its highest.

    https://i.imgur.com/3t7dmNm.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/7mcGXTw.png

    At the end of his paper Blanchard shows some reproductive statistics from the Pume tribe and thinks he has proof that hebephilia would be maladaptive. Basically, the statistics show that girls who start reproducing under 14 are reproductively less successful overall than those who start 16+.

    He thinks this means that men who commit themselves to girls under 14 would also be reproductively less successful than those who commit themselves to girls 16+. This just does not mathematically follow because the girls don’t start reproducing at the age that men commit themselves to them.

    A man may marry a 12yo girl and start having sex with her at that age, but she won’t typically get pregnant until several years later. If a man married an 8yo girl, she obviously won’t start reproducing at that age, apart from maybe one time in ten million. You can’t presume that a girl would start reproducing at the age a man commits himself to her because that just isn’t what we observe happening in the real world.

    Men in primitive societies marry young girls, but they don’t start reproducing until a few years later. That’s the whole point of the strategy. In order to stand a chance at monopolizing a girl’s reproductive lifespan, you need to claim and commit yourself to her some time before she reaches reproductive age. What those statistics are really telling us is that it’s a bad idea for girls to start reproducing in their pubescent years. If a girl starts reproducing at 12 she’ll leave behind fewer descendants than if she starts at 17.

    It’s a bad idea to start reproducing at 12, and that’s why it rarely happens. Evolution has selected out a lot of the genes that cause girls to start reproducing at 12, though not completely because it does still happen sometimes. Selection happens on a gradient, it’s not just on or off. Now what makes Blanchard’s argument even more laughable is that the Pume are actually a good example of how adaptive hebephilic preferences can be.

    The typical age of a girl’s first pregnancy in Pume is about 15, so in order to stand a chance at monopolizing a girl’s reproductive lifespan, Pume men need to claim her before she’s 15. Which is exactly what happens. It’s common practice in this tribe for men to marry and knob girls about 12. Whoops.

    I think being gay makes it difficult for Blanchard to understand normal male sexuality. One thing he doesn’t seem to understand is that straight men find cuteness sexy. For example, Belle Delphine.

    https://i.imgur.com/GNakt58.jpg

    He seems to think that men should only find adult features sexy, but this is just wrong. There’s no law of evolution that says the males must prefer the fully developed adult form. The only thing that ultimately matters in evolution is reproductive success.

    If the males in a species can achieve greater reproductive success by going after the immature females, then they will evolve to do exactly that. This has happened to a degree in our species. It makes sense for men to go for females who are a bit immature and haven’t quite yet reached reproductive age because they still have all their reproductive years ahead of them.

    The physical features that men find the most attractive are often those that indicate a certain level of female immaturity. The facial proportions men find most attractive are those of girls about 13/14. Men find soft, smooth hairless skin highly attractive. The skin of adult women is usually a bit coarser and a bit hairy. Disproportionately long legs are highly attractive to men.

    During puberty, when a girl has her growth spurt, her legs grow faster than her torso, making her legs out of proportion with the rest of her. It’s not until adulthood that the rest of her body catches up. The general petiteness and slimness men find highly attractive are not typical of adult women but instead are the kind of physical proportions we’d expect to see in teenage schoolgirls.

    The BMI men find most attractive, for instance, is the typical BMI of girls about 13. The female genitals men find most attractive are those that look a bit immature, with small inner labia and overall petiteness. The kind of genitals we’d expect to see in girls about 12-14. Men find pert boobs the most attractive. In primitive foraging societies the boobs of adult women have gone saggy due to breast-feeding. It’s only the young adolescent girls who haven’t had a baby yet that still have nice pert boobs.

    This state of breast pertness men find highly attractive is naturally an immature feature not adult feature. In modern societies women retain this immature pert state longer into adulthood due to having babies at a later age and wearing bras that push up their boobs making them look perkier.

    The male preference for blonde hair may be another example. People’s hair is often blonde when they’re kids and then goes darker when they’re adult. In cartoons and CGI the female characters are made more attractive by making them look immature, while for the males it generally goes the other way. And, of course, the image of the schoolgirl is popular in the porn industry all around the world.

    https://i.imgur.com/VE7ztqi.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/PVeiUH3.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/J8MfPoz.jpg

    So when sexologists like Blanchard and company claim that men prefer fully developed adults, we can see that this is just not true. That is what they want to be true, the way they think men should be. They think men *should* have preferences for fully developed adults 18+, but that is just not what the data shows or what biology predicts.

    The most popular age for girls in the porn or dating industry is 18, but that’s because they’re not allowed to go any lower. Obviously what the market really wants is girls under 18. It’s like in that Chernobyl drama when the Geiger counter measures 3.6 Roentgens because that was the highest it would go to. The evidence is that if there were no legal restrictions the most popular age for girls in the porn industry would be about 14.

    A few years ago the most popular porn genre was the barely legal stuff in which they’d use petite 18yo girls with cute faces who looked about 14. They’d often dress up in school uniforms or roleplay as a young girl. This practice has since stopped since porn like that is now classed as child porn in most countries, but that’s what the market wants.

    According to “experts” like Blanchard and Seto, a preference for girls that age is an abnormal evolutionarily maladaptive sexual disorder. They are clowns. They don’t understand the very basics of how the human mating system works. I think it’s only a matter of time before social attitudes change and some studios are granted a special license to produce porn in which the actresses have been made to look under 18 with machine learning.

    Some country, probably in Europe, will decide to legalize this pseudo-CP in an effort to cut down on demand for the real stuff. It will have its own category on porn sites, and each video or photo will be electronically licensed to distinguish it from real CP. I predict that when this happens, it will become the most popular category on porn sites, and most popular age will be about 14.

    The most popular AI girlfriend in China is Xiaoice. She’s officially 18 years old but she’s clearly modeled on a girl about 14. She has a cute face, a petite little body, and wears a school uniform. We can see what the market really wants.

    https://i.imgur.com/cTHwVcX.jpg

    In this video she explains how she hopes to mature in the future, meaning that she’s immature at the moment.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhcRPnXPu4Q

    Samsung is getting in on it too. They’ve just brought out an immature-looking virtual assistant Sam.

    https://i.imgur.com/LXBUapZ.png

    This preference for immature females can’t be unique to our species. I imagine that in species in which the males try to monopolize the females’ reproductive lifespans, the males have a preference for the slightly immature females just prior the onset of their fertility. One example see this in is Hamadryas baboons. They live in communities of several hundred out on the savanna.

    Within these communities males keep small harems of females with their young. When the males come up to maturity and are able to start building their harems they become interested in the young immature virgin females and want to take possession of them. They often kidnap them from neighbouring communities.

    What we see in Hamadryas baboons may be something like the way our Australopithicine ancestors used to live and mate out on the savanna. Over the past few million years of evolution through Homo Erectus and archaic humans, the harem size has gotten smaller and smaller, approaching monogamy.

    But…but…don’t the highly scientific willy tests show that most men prefer fully developed adults? I don’t think we should take these primitive dick-meters too seriously. There are a ton of problems with them, the biggest of which is that the way people behave in the lab is not always the same as how they behave in the real world.

    According to these dick-meters men find 30yo women more attractive than teen schoolgirls, in complete contradiction with both real-world data and what biology predicts. Teen schoolgirls have double the number of reproductive years ahead of them than 30yo women, so biology predicts they would be much more sought after, and this is exactly what we see in the real world.

    The schoolgirl image is much more popular in the porn industry, teen girls are targeted for sexual assaults much more often than 30yo women, young teen girls sell for much higher price in bride markets, and in fairy tales and mythologies around the world, young teen maidens are the most highly prized etc.

    If these tests say that men find 30yo women more attractive than teen schoolgirls, then we just can’t take them seriously. I think the sexologists who like to rely on them so much are suffering a bad case of physics envy. They like the idea that they can take some scientific measurements of men’s attractions and put them in a graph or equation like they’re doing Real Science. One day we’ll have the technology to do that but these primitive dick-meters just aren’t it, and if they’re in conflict with real-world data, then we should go with the real-world data.

    —Menarche and Mammories—

    In a lot of primitive societies there are taboos against having sex with girls before menarche. A man may marry a young girl, but he isn’t supposed to consummate the marriage until she has her first period or something similar. People often take this to mean that this is the way nature intended things to work, as if menarche represented nature’s age of consent. When a girl has her first period, she has now supposedly become fertile, and ready to have sex. A little bit of thinking will show that this just isn’t true.

    There are no dramatic changes in a girl’s appearance or behaviour when she starts having periods. If a girl sprouted boobs and became interested in sex all of a sudden when she had her first period we would have good reason to think girls have evolved to start mating just after menarche, but we see no such thing. One month before and one month after menarche girls look and behave the same. Minus the symbolic significance many cultures put on it, menarche is actually pretty uneventful.

    Also, menarche doesn’t really mark the beginning of fertility. Girls don’t usually become able to conceive until several years after their first period. These rules against having sex with girls before menarche are really just as much social inventions as the age of consent in our societies. We have a rule that says “Don’t have sex with girls before age X,” and these primitive societies may have a rule that says “Don’t have sex with girls before menarche.” But is that how people actually behave?

    I grew up in a working-class town just outside London in the UK. The AOC was 16 but it was common for men to have sex with girls younger than that. I knew two girls who lost their virginity at 11 to men in their 20s. Girls about 13 would often have older boyfriends in their late teens or early 20s.

    That’s what happened with my mum and dad. I was always jealous of those Bigger Boys taking our girls but when I was 20, I had a 13yo girlfriend for a while, so it all balanced out in the end. When she was 15 she hooked up with her 35yo uncle-in-law, and they’ve now been together for about 20 years and had 3 kids.

    I knew a girl who loved older men, and when she was 12 she confided in me that she was screwing a 50yo who lived in the flats. I never saw him but I had no reason to doubt her. She also had a 23yo boyfriend for a while when she was 12, and that was no secret. He was a friend of the family and used to come around to her house to visit a lot.

    So this is a little taste of reality. We may have rule against adults having sex with girls under 16-18, but it happens anyway. The attitude we basically had where I was growing up was if a girl has come into puberty and got the boobers, then she’s ready. I think this is the way nature intended things to work, and we see the same kind of thing happening in primitive societies.

    When Chagnon lived with the Yanomamo he saw that when a girl got to about 12 and had some boobs all the men notice, and she has to be guarded to protect her from sexual harassment and rape. The men weren’t supposed to have sex with girls that young because they usually hadn’t started their periods yet, but in reality they did. Most girls would start having sex with their husbands before menarche. In the Ache tribe, researchers found that every single girl in the group they studied lost her virginity before menarche, usually with an adult man.

    Out there in the jungle they may have some rule that you should only have sex with a girl when she has had her first period, but in reality probably most girls get screwed before that. Boobs are nature’s signal a girl is physically ready to have sex, not menarche. A girl comes up to puberty and sprouts the boobs that signal she’s ready, all the males notice and want to have have sex with her. This is how nature intended mating to work. It’s kind of obvious when you think about it.

    Girls develop boobs several years before they become fertile and able to conceive, but this is nothing strange. Soon after the onset of puberty, chimp females start getting sexual swellings on their bums that signal they’re ready to have sex, but they don’t become fertile until a few years after that. So we’re just following the same pattern we see in other animals. The females develop sexual characteristics and start having sex a bit before the onset of their fertility.

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