Transformer (to Jason): I notice you don’t write about Latin America a lot.
I was hoping for Robert to respond to this article but would like your thoughts. I think the issue of inequality in Latin America is very deep. Conservatives like to blame the left and Communism (think Fidel Castro and the current Venezuela government under Maduro), but the situation is more complex.
Conservatives say inequality is caused by socialism and Communism? See what liars they are? Conservatives are the biggest shmucks. See? They can’t even lie properly. The best liars are at least somewhat believable. Conservatives are like the 13 year old pathological liar. He’s just a kid and you can safely dismiss almost everything he says. Seeing as they are such awful liars, why do so many people fall for their laughable, pitiful lies?
It’s the greed, right? Conservatives sell greed. They say support conservatism if you want to make lots of money or keep all the money you have. Support liberalism is you like being poor and having most of your money taken away and wasted on boondoggles and ne’er do wells, many of them disgusting criminals, and the rest at least repulsively amoral and stupid.
I guess if you are selling greed, stupid humans will believe everything you say. Tell him if he wants to be rich he will realize it’s pitch dark outside when it’s 95 degrees and high noon, and he’ll go outside and insist it’s true. Tell them he can keep all his money if he’ll only acknowledge that the sun comes up in the west and sets in the east, and he’ll swear they knew it along.
The truth is the opposite. The more socialism you have, the greater the economy. Venezuela before the crash was the most equal country in Latin America. Belarus and the Scandinavian countries are some of the most equal countries on Earth, with GINI indexes of 25-30, which is about where any country should be.
I admit that conservatives have their good points about their Latin American capitalism, but saying that Latin American inequality is caused by socialism isn’t one of them.
The more rightwing economics you have down there (or anywhere else in the world, for that matter), the more unequal things get. This is because capitalism is exactly how Marx said it was. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer is the natural, typical, expected, and totally ordinary outcome of any pure capitalist system. You could almost write a Goddamned mathematical law about it. I know you can plot it on a linear chart.
The only countries that split up their wealth in any sort of fair way other than, “Everything for the top 20%, and nothing for anybody else!” are societies that have seasoned and moderated their capitalism with ample helpings of socialism. Capitalism is great for growth and crap and distribution. Social is bad at growth and great at distribution.
I think it’s clear that some sort of mixed economies with private, cooperative, family, and public enterprises work best of all. And the commanding heights of the economy must be ruled by the state. This is one thing the Chinese got right. And incidentally, in Japan and even South Korea, it is much the same. And both of the latter countries model their economies in part on, believe it or not, Nazi Germany. There were a lot of terrible things about the Nazis, but their economy was not one of them.
In such a system, the state owns the commanding heights and has the last say in everything. And both quite-capitalist countries use state economic planning to guide their economy. So it’s not true that a planned economy does not work. When state and private actors work together to guide the economy of the country forward, the results are very good.
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Robert, this is a good book about the lost tradition of economic equality in early America. It is ironic that conservatives look fondly on the early days of the Republic but they ignore this lost tradition. Daniel Mandell just wrote a good book about this. https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/lost-tradition-economic-equality-america-1600%E2%80%931870
That Japan and Korea NS connection is really hot. I love how friendly Asians and Latinas are. They are often more “ride or die” with White men than White women.
There were absolutely a lot of bad things about Nazi Germany. That goes without saying. But economics was not necessarily one of them. There were aspects of that model that were pretty cool, IMHO. “The state should run the commanding heights of the economy and should have the last say in all economic matters. The state is seriously involved in the economy, but it’s not planned state economy at all. The corporations and the state work together. They call that fascism, but I’m not so opposed to some aspects of classical fascist economics.
Robert, Gothfried Feder is the man responsible for the economic success of Germany in the 1930s. It is unfortunate that the US or any other countries don’t embrace this type of economic policy. https://federsgenius.wordpress.com/2016/02/02/the-solution-labour-based-currency/
The actual truth is that both sides of the spectrum in Latin America stink to high heaven. Both systems are massively exploiting people. So what’s the solution? Well, God said he would provide our needs. Is he a liar? Either he’s lying or he’s not. It’s as simple as that!
O.K., my guess is that Latin American peasants having it rough – are demon controlled. That’s why everything is in the gutter for them. Well, the Bible does speak of social justice. Nonetheless, seriously, as I was saying, either God provides or he doesn’t!
From trying to overthrow Castro to killing Allende to killing Americans themselves in Salvador, it would seem that the US government did everything imaginable to prevent socialism-even democratically elected socialists from gaining power in Latin America.
It was previously corporate capitalism of the absolute worst order – United Fruit Company to begin with. Then the mob-owned casinos in Cuba. Finally Bush trying and failing to lay hands on Hugo’s oil.
There’s a racial element of course. The Indians are often Communist and in order to maintain their aristocracy, the Europeans in Latin America will accept any US terms…and do whatever the US deems necessary.
This then results in massive illegal immigration of Indians and mostly-Indian Mestizos to the US fleeing rightwing dictatorships or run-of-the=mill marginalization.
Which then obviously affects the lower class and working class whites in the US.
But what do the elites care? They live in gated communities on the East Coast.
People that are slaves have asked for it – and I don’t mean that escaping oppression means bringing in Communists.
Well, people are saying the third world is a hell, but what about the USA? How is that really different? How is being different areas really different?
Now, people say the third world is often run by right-wing dictators – but how is that different from the 1984-ish thing that has always been present in America? Well, now this thing seems so obvious and extreme – as to be comical, but it’s always been here.
Are you even on the Left anymore, Jason? Have you gone completely rightwing. You’ve been a liberal the whole time you’ve been on here except for a brief period of Libertarian Psychosis, which thankfully stabilized before too much damage was done.
Dude, it’s a lot different. A lot, lot, lot, lot, lot different.
It’s way different, Jason. The rightwingers are way, way worse than there. No comparison. Granted the rightwingers up here are getting more and more Latin American all the time.
Of course it’s way worse in Latin America. I was going off on too much a tangent there.
This is a really nice comment, Trash. It’s perfect, immaculate, a precise understanding of exactly what is going on down there summed up in a few paragraphs.
Give me some money and I’ll give you more than 50 lines a day, pal. LOL.
I will pay Trash’s fee. What is it?