Polar Bear: One thing I admire about openly racial folks is the mask is off. That’s how they honestly feel. The Godawful truth.
I agree with this. If you’re racist, for God’s sake, just admit it! There’s no shame in being a racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. person as long as you do not harm the people you dislike. Lots of people are bigots to one degree or another. It’s practically normal if you look at things worldwide.
Obviously it’s not optimal and I prefer for people to be as nonracist as they can bear to be, but that’s not always possible. I do think that racism is a sin. It’s bad behavior. But we are all bad to one degree or another. No one is innocent, dammit!
If you are racist, that’s a moral question between you and your pastor, God, or conscience. Take it up with God after you check out. Far be it for me to moralfag on people about their personal feelings and thoughts.
What I dislike a lot more is obviously racist people insisting that they are not racist. Come off it, man! If you’re racist, just admit! I mean it’s not the end of the world. Lots of people feel that way. So what! White racists are not friendly towards Blacks, but Blacks are even more racist against us than we are against them, so they shouldn’t talk.
Ok, you’re racist. Fine. No problem! However, then I would like to say:
“Hey, can we talk about this? You’re racist. Ok, fine. But why? Why do you feel that way? Do you really hate all of the people of this race? If so, why? Let’s explore this.”
We need to have conversations with racists, not scream at them or punch them. People just get their back up when you do that anyway. You catch a lot more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Now the idea that Blacks should talk to the people who don’t like them and pick their brains sends most Blacks into a fury:
I’m not going to beg people to not hate me!
Well, that’s just fine.
But they don’t all feel that way. Remember that video I posted a while back about the Black guy who goes out to meet White racists? He asks them,
Why…do you hate me?
Just like that. He had a personal meeting with a Klansman. He and the Klansmen are now best friends! See, it works? Where did screaming at the Klansmen get us? Nowhere. Dialogue is always the answer.
Racism is a conflict, right? Like a conflict between warring or quarreling parties. Ok, when you have conflicts between warring or quarreling parties, who do we often treat these matters? Negotiations. Diplomacy.
Most wars are ended in the conference room, not the battlefield. If you insist on defeating your enemy in the battlefield, the guerrilla war goes on forever. Nations that are angry at each other patch up their differences via diplomacy all the time. How often would that happen if they sat there and seethed and hated each other? Not very often.
29 thoughts on “Alt Left: The Way to Counteract Racism Is to Talk to Racists, Not Scream at Them”
I’m not a racist. I just hate the following groups.
Crackers, Kikes, Niggers, Wiggers, Spics, Dotheads, Mooselimbs, Gooks, Chinks, Abos, Mongrels, and any Jungle tribes out there.
I’m an equal opportunity discriminator.
I’m like that too. I’m not a racist either. I hate everyone LOL.
Are the more advanced South Indians, the Dravidians, considered jungle tribes, or do they get a pass, as they have origins in the Middle East? Are Indian jungle dwellers the most civilized or advanced jungle people?
I don’t know, man. All Indians (and Pakistanis/Afghans, etc.) have a bit of Dravidian in them. That strain does come from the Middle-East.
A lot of Northern Indians came down from Central Asia, the Steppes, and more recently, Iran. Doesn’t make them any superior; the Southern Indians are smarter in every field (if a bit fugly). They dominate India’s space research program and are smart enough to send rockets to the Moon and Mars. Northern Indians, true to their Central Asian nomadic origins, are prolific rapists.
I was referring to the Amazonian tribes. You mean jungle tribes like the Sentinelese or the Jarawa? I am not sure if they even belong to Homo Sapiens.
They seem very advanced for people surrounded by jungle. Not knocking more primitive groups. They interest me too but are not the exception. The tribe in the jungle is smarter, and they have Mama Jungle. Ancient India had more rivers and likely more jungle. What’s fascinating to me: Civilization and Jungle, typically at odds, were mating in Ancient India.
I don’t know why you think Black people go around screaming at racists. More and more often I hear Black people saying that they’ve given up on trying to talk to Whites, in particular, about anti-Black racism. They don’t think the conversations go anywhere.
I’ve said on this blog before that I’m not interested in trying to persuade anti-Black racists to like me, and I meant it. You seem to think that I have an obligation to do so.
I think Robert leans positive or half-glass full on Blacks. So he wants what’s best for them. One Black got close to the Klan and converted some. That’s not for most though.
The old racist White man is the archetype, but in reality, men soften with age and often become less racial.
Yeah, George Wallace dropped all of his racism in old age. I could not believe it.
There are White people in America who have thought seriously about racism (and White supremacism) and have written and spoken about what they think drives it and how it should be addressed. One thing that some of them say is that if there’s going to be any real dialogue, it has to be between Whites who “get it” and Whites who don’t.
That’s interesting. Is there a reason why they feel that the conversation has to be between two groups of Whites?
The dialogue that they’re referring to is about White supremacism – the idea that Whites are innately superior to other races and therefore have a right to dominate those other races, especially Black people. (Black people are seen as everything Whites are not.)
What they say is that White supremacism was created by White people and for White people, so if it’s to be dismantled, Whites must take the lead. And they have to start by trying to persuade their fellow Whites to abandon it.
No, they never dominated other races, they just had to deal with the fallout of “The Jewish Slave Trade” – LOL.
Nah, no way. The Whites wanted to dominate everyone not White, and they wanted to bring in a lot of Blacks because it made them money. Case in point: nigga-crazy Old South! That place was a Black Amusement Park, and they even fought a war to keep it that way! Is this a joke? Surprisingly not!
Ok, how do you think these Whites should go about persuading their racial brethren to abandon these feelings? Do you have any ideas or are you pretty much outside of that conversation?
Jason is half-based.
Everyone is biased! Give me a break! I mean, yeah I hate hick-ass bullies because they gave me a hard time in school. I can’t stand them as pothead racists (on Facebook now) either.
But I can see past the smoke. Of course Blacks are racist and I know this despite the massive bias I have. In fact, Blacks would have done the same thing to me because with them – as with most of humanity – everyone has to prove their worth or get persecuted. In other words, it’s like a prison where you have to cut a gang member to get through the initiation process.
One thing that some of them say is that if there’s going to be any real dialogue, it has to be between Whites who “get it” and Whites who don’t.
Ok, well I guess I am arguing here that the Whites who are trying to get racist Whites to drop their racism will get further if they use friendly conversation as opposed to yelling at, threatening, and punishing them. Do you have any comments on that?
Well, I don’t think you get very far with anyone by yelling at him, threatening him, or punishing him. People just immediately tune you out. The problem is that people who harbor racist assumptions or attitudes often go into denial when you try to point it out to them, no matter how friendly you try to be. This is a problem that anti-racist Whites say they have to deal with. But they’re determined to keep trying.
Right. This is what I was getting at. Actually, Black people don’t scream racist that much. The ones who really do that are the Afrocentrists – the Black nationalists. Though some Blacks do! I had a Black woman on a dating site go off on me for no good reason over that.
Ok. That’s fine. Perhaps that has been their experience.
You realize that my “you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar” has actually converted a few hardcore White racists, though, right? I am talking full-blown Nazis and White nationalists here too. However, it took frankly years of my talking to them almost every day to get them to change. They changed maybe 5-10 years after I started talking to them. It’s a long conversation and it’s definitely not for everybody.
Many Whites have what I call “Whiggish optimism” about Blacks.
I don’t have any illusions about Black people.
But I am still optimistic about them nevertheless because I know they can do better. Or at least I hope they can. We’ve seen tremendous progress even here in the US. ~50% of all Blacks now are more or less Black middle class behaviorally. We never had that before. We had the talented tenth in the ghettos, and that was it. The growth of this new huge Black middle class is a great thing. People don’t talk about it enough.
50 percent seems like a liberal victory, but always WNs will focus on the other 50 percent in prison or something.
Wiggish not wiggerish. A play on Whiggish optimism. Plz correct.
Robert, do you think progressive liberals can be liberal in their economic and social perspectives but still believe in white supremacy? I think so.
I think soft propaganda like Good Times or Different Strokes works on the White masses. However, it don’t work on hardcore racists! In fact, nothing does.
Have you ever tried to have a conversation with a White racist outside the net? You get called a cocksucker! That’s the typical response from them. Any White who opposes them is a wuss, moralfag cocksucker, or a Jew. Have I left a name out?
Did you see where the Black guy sat down and talked to the KKK guy and eventually they became best friends? Can you really say that nothing works if that is true. Though I must say, I haven’t converted any hardcore White racists right in front of my eyes. But it seems like I might have converted a few via my blog. But that took long talks that basically lasted years. Converting hardcore White racists is a long, slow haul all right!
Conversion is more like humiliation. Well, you need a thick skin because you’re going to get a lot of Jew, cocksucker remarks – LOL. But in the end, these people are as indoctrinated as North Koreans, so it’s just a waste of time unless you’re just wanting to study the minds of White supremacists.