Alt Left: Nope, Sexual Harassment Was Not a Big Deal from 1975-2005, Sorry

In Jason’s recent article, he says that gawking and crudeness (sexual come-ons) have never been acceptable at school or at work at any time going all the way back to the 1950’s. Well, I was around in the 1970’s, 80’s, and 90’s. I do not remember even one case of a woman complaining of sexual harassment back then.

I do not remember one case of a woman complaining that a man was staring at her. I do not remember one case of a woman complaining that a man made a crude remark to her. Certainly I cannot remember one case when I was ever seriously accused of any of these things.

I didn’t start hearing about it until 2005, when I was 48 years old. I was told that I was staring at the baristas and making them uncomfortable. But I was doing the same thing I’ve done my whole life, not even 1% different.

It’s just that I had gotten older, and as you get older, suddenly the behavior that they tolerate without batting an eye when a young man does it is somehow illegal when an older man does it. It took me a while to figure out the new rules of middle aged man and young women, which is something I am still figuring out by the way.

Wasn’t SJWism getting going pretty good around 2005? Anyway, it is only in the past 14 years from 2005-2019 that I have heard one thing about staring, sexual harassment, harassment period, illegal talking to other humans, or any of this insane bullshit.

My conclusion is that this is a modern phenomenon of the Current Year being brought on by Peak Modern Feminism, which gets nuttier and nuttier every year like all forms of Identity Politics. So in any given Current Year, modern feminism will be a bit more insane, weird, and demanding in the previous year.

It seems like I have been looking at women my whole life. I never gave any thought to whether I was staring or not, so I have no idea if I was doing it! But women and girls have been staring at me most of my life since age 17 or so. Often I stared at them and they stared back at me. Or they stared at me and I didn’t stare back. Or I stared at them and they didn’t stare back at me. It wall no matter because no one cared.

I remember in college, one friend of mine said, “I know you like to rape women with your eyes, Bob.” He said it as a joke. This was before feminists made it illegal for most men to look at women at all, much less stare at them.

So all through my whole life, I looked at women with absolutely zero problems. And they stared at me a lot, I mean a lot.

Once I was in a library at Santa Ana College in 1985 (age 27), and I looked up and every single woman in the whole damned library in front of me was looking right at me with those weird blank zombie robot stares.

Once I walked into the Roxy nightclub in 1982 (age 24). As soon as I stepped in the door, I swear to God, every single woman in that club stared at me. It actually frightened me a bit, and I sort of shuddered. I don’t know why I found it frightening, but it is a bit unnerving. Try it sometime. Walk into a nightclub and if every woman in the club looks right at you, see how it makes you feel. You might find it if not unnerving, at least somewhat frightening.

I worked at all sorts of jobs all over the place, and I never heard one complaint of me staring at women or being creepy or any of that crap. I was at college and university for many years, including advanced degree study, from 1975-1984, then 1991-1994. That’s 12 years post-secondary education. No one complained one time that I stared at women or acted creepy around women. Not even one time, ever.

When a woman stares at you, generally speaking, it means she likes you. If a woman doesn’t like you, she simply ignores you. Women who hate you usually do not stare at you.

Now and again a woman who hates you may stare at you. In that case, the stare would look hostile or like “What the Hell is the matter with you anyway?” This doesn’t happen very often.

Generally speaking, the blank dead robot stare means she likes you, like really likes you, like wants to do something sexual or romantic with you. A woman in love with you often stares at you for long periods of time with an utterly blank look on her face. Often a little Mona Lisa mystery smile, almost on the edge of bare laughter, appears.

I remember having staring contests with girlfriends.

We would be in the front room of a house she was house-sitting at. For 15 minutes we just sat there and stared at each other with funny little smiles on our faces. Neither or us said one damned word and the room was quiet as a mouse.

It was actually a nice experience, rather pure in the way that religious novitiates try for silence, work, and prayer. Life bared down to meagerest sensory output. Silent and looking. Praying and meditating into each other’s eyes. And not one word. Pure as a monastery.

So staring is quite helpful for men. It tells us when a woman is interested in us. I hate to think that women would stop staring at us because then it would be hard to tell if they liked us or not.

Gay men are extremely creepy and they stare at each other in very creepy ways constantly. And they stare at straight men they like in that same creepy, unnerving way. They also harass each other constantly with rude, crude, sexual remarks and often a lot of out and out grabbing of other men’s bodies in various ways.

In other words, gay men treat other men exactly the way straight men treat women, except 5-10X worse. This gives the lie to the insane feminist idea that sexual harassment is based on sexism, misogyny, aggression, hostility and even violence against women. Yes, these lunatics actually say that sexual harassment (guys trying to get laid or get a date) is a form of violence against women. It’s as bad as hitting her over the head.

Obviously then gay men’s sexual harassment of other gay men is based on hatred of men (misandry), hostility, aggression, and even violence against other gay men. Gay men harass each other because they hate other gay men, or they hate men, or something, or this or that, or whatnot, or whatever. Does that even make any sense at all? Of course not. Yet this is the only logical conclusion we can draw from feminism’s lunatic definition of sexual harassment.

Obviously all of this is complete nonsense. Men sexually harass women for the same reason that men consensually flirt with women and for the same reason that gay men sexually harass each other in epidemic fashion. Men do these things because they’re horny. They do them because they’re horny and they’re trying to get laid. They’re trying to attract a woman for dating, sexual activities, or romance.

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10 thoughts on “Alt Left: Nope, Sexual Harassment Was Not a Big Deal from 1975-2005, Sorry”

  1. Back in those days, sexual harassment was a big deal if you were going through it. And a lot of women were going through it. It’s just that there was no special name for it and women didn’t speak up about it publicly.

    My guess is that it was seen as a feature, not a bug, of sharing public spaces with men – no matter how uncomfortable it made you.

    Of course nowadays the definition of “sexual harassment” has been expanded to mean things that seem silly even to a lot of women. It has come to mean “looking at me or talking to me when I don’t want you to.”

    1. I suppose. I never heard any women complaining about it though. No doubt it went on. Just saying I can’t recall one single woman complaining about such a thing. But you lived in those times, and you say it was around and women didn’t like it, so I yield the floor to you.

      The only thing that meant sexual harassment back in those days was quid pro quo sexual harassment. Never knew any women who went through that either, but you did hear stories. Almost everyone thought this was a very bad thing and that men who asked sexual favors as a condition of employment were no good.

      However, I never knew any women who had to deal with such a thing, nor did I know any man who was known to make such sleazy propositions. But you heard a lot of stories.

      There were gay men who preyed on straight men and demanded sex as a condition of continuing employment or continuing residence at their home. That’s why I say never ever rent a room in a gay man’s place (or take one for free) and be very careful about accepting jobs from gay men. Especially young, soft, pretty boy, very handsome men because these are the ones they single out to prey on.

      I had to deal with this shit once and two of my friends, who were exactly as described, had to deal with it too, one for continuing employment and residence and another for continuing residence. The first guy bailed but the second guy got blackmailed into homosexuality and the next thing I knew one of my best friends ever was getting unashamedely fucked up the ass by faggots.

      What do you mean when you discuss sexual harassment? You mean quid pro quo stuff or do you mean something different?

      It’s just that there was no special name for it and women didn’t speak up about it publicly.

      My guess is that it was seen as a feature, not a bug, of sharing public spaces with men – no matter how uncomfortable it made you.

      As far as unwanted sexual attention goes, I mean there are a ton of ways to let the guy know that you’re not interested. You can also up the ante to communicate please go away or get the hell away from me or whatever. I’m sure you must know how to communicate such things. I mean is it that hard? Most guys get the message pretty quick. There’s also an “ignore” feature that most women can turn on any time they want.

      I never asked my Mom about it, but I think she would just say that she just ignored guys like that or brushed them off in any of the thousand ways there are to do that.

      If you’re a woman you’re just going to have to deal with unwanted sexual attention from men. These women who don’t like it are free to take up lesbian separatism. This is simply a fact of life for women living in a free world with men.

      To give you an example, the Hispanic women around here never, ever, ever complain about such things, but I assume they with unwanted sexual attention all the time. The few times I made a play for them, they just turned me down or put me on ignore and walked away or changed their expression to something a lot more serious.

      They all acted like they dealt with this constantly and this was simply the way that the world worked and they accepted the world like this.

      1. Sexual harassment would be the classic “quid pro quo” situation – “Put out or else” or “If you want X from me, put out.” It would also be any type of persistent unwanted sexual attention from a man.

        1. Well that quid pro quo stuff, everyone was against that.

          Persistent unwanted sexual attention from a man? Well you have to communicate to him to knock it off, right? If she doesn’t communicate that to him, he’s going to keep on doing it. So what did you and the women you knew do in these cases? Tell them to knock it off? Or not?

          I never dealt with that because if I got the back off or knock it off notice, I pretty much stopped doing it.

          1. A lot of guys would do as you did: back off once the woman has let you know that she’s not interested in you. But it wasn’t always that simple. Some guys were persistent. They didn’t want to take “no” for an answer, for whatever reason. These guys were the ones who would immediately turn on you if you lost your patience with them. You would cease being hot or desirable and become a “bitch.”

            In a work situation you might have been able to avoid the guy, if it was just attention from someone who was attracted to you and not the serious “quid pro quo” situation. You know – minimal contact, try to be invisible to him, pretend that he’s invisible. Never be alone with him, if possible. As a young intern this is the approach I took to unwanted attention from an employee at that company.

          2. A lot of guys would do as you did: back off once the woman has let you know that she’s not interested in you. But it wasn’t always that simple. Some guys were persistent. They didn’t want to take “no” for an answer, for whatever reason.

            Well, fuck that! That is sexual harassment! That even fits my definition! That’s exactly what it is. The US government defines it as so persistent, severe, and pervasive that it makes it difficult for the woman to be at school or work. Screw these guys who don’t understand the meaning of the word no! You have my full support on this.

            These guys were the ones who would immediately turn on you if you lost your patience with them. You would cease being hot or desirable and become a “bitch.”

            That’s just horrible. Those guys are extreme assholes. I’ve never done such a thing in my life. She turns me down, she turns me down. It’s her life. I can’t force anyone to go out with me, for Chrissake. These guys sound like psycho stalkers.

            In a work situation you might have been able to avoid the guy, if it was just attention from someone who was attracted to you and not the serious “quid pro quo” situation. Have minimal contact, try to be invisible to him, pretend that he’s invisible. Never be alone with him, if possible. As a young intern this is the approach I took to unwanted attention from an employee at that company.

            Sure, just avoid him. Treat him like he’s invisible. Exactly.

            But if he doesn’t understand the meaning of the word no, fuck him. I guess women need to realize that the world is full of men who are complete fucktards, psychos, stalkers, and other buttheads. I don’t know what to say except that women are going to have to deal with idiots like this in their lives. It’s just life, you know.

            Just to let you know when I am bashing away at #metoo on here, I am not talking about quid pro quo or fucktards, psychos and stalkers who don’t understand the meaning of the word no. I am with you ladies on that 100%.

            It’s just that the phrase has expanded to refer to all unwanted sexual attention, which is complete bullshit. These geniuses just outlawed flirting! Way to go! Because you never know if you sexual attention is going to be unwanted or not until you try!

            Unwanted sexual attention is NOT sexual harassment. It’s only sexual harassment when the idiot has been communicated to over and over to stop, and he just won’t knock it off. That’s not flirting. That’s just being an ass or worse.

          3. I agree with you that the unwanted sexual attention must be persistent. If you have clearly let a guy know that you don’t appreciate his attention and he persists, then you’re being harassed. But yes, a man is allowed to look at you. He’s allowed to talk to you if he’s attracted and to indicate his attraction (i.e., flirt). You can’t mandate that men not show sexual interest in women!

            (What matters to women – at least some of us – is how he goes about it and how he responds if you don’t return his interest.)

          4. Thank you very much, Alpha. We are 100% on the same page WRT to this #metoo stuff.

            You can’t really harass someone one time.

            The very word harassment implies some sort of annoying, ongoing thing where someone bothers, annoys, or frightens you over and over. Harassment has this repetitive and tiring aspect to it, like the harasser is trying to wear you down.

  2. Sexual harassment was not a big deal in India up to 2012-13. I used to work an office job and had an affair with my married female manager (She was really hot, like an Aishwarya Rai maybe).

    Everyone in office knew about the fling. We made out at the meeting table, cafeteria, stairs, elevator. I was such a bad influence that I received numerous warnings from HR, but they never took any action. I was not a senior employee, just a junior copywriter.

    Someone even caught me masturbating in front of my desktop PC. I used to be quite discreet about it underneath the table, but what’re you gonna do when the table shakes. Luckily no CCTV cameras then. All I got was a “notice for inappropriate behavior”.

    I used to hit on other girls including the front desk cutie, the executive assistant to the CEO, and every new intern. It all felt just so normal, although I really had a death wish. But nothing really happened and I eventually quit the job on favorable terms. They even gave me an excellent character certificate, so we’re all good now.

    It was around 2016 when the #Me too trend entered the workplaces here. I quit working for corporations around that time. It was getting more difficult to breathe, you couldn’t touch women, flirt with them, or kiss them anymore. Everything is so sanitized and woman-friendly now. They really stretch the definition of ‘inappropriate conduct”. I can’t spend a day in that kind of environment.

  3. Actually, sexual harassment back in the day ran the risk of women having “football player boyfriends”. Haven’t you heard the song “My Boyfriend’s Back”? Ultimately, I think even fairly non-scrawny guys were always afraid to flirt. You don’t really know which boyfriend is behind the woman, and if you were a Black person from the South, odds are the woman’s family were shotgun wielding rednecks (Note: Emmet Till’s brutal lynching circa 1955).

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