Alt Left: Face Facts: Homosexuality, Whatever You Think of It, Is Abnormal

Is homosexuality normal?

Although the question could be bigoted, it doesn’t have to be. On the contrary, it’s an excellent philosophical question.

I realize that almost all gay men and even most lesbians are biologically generated, and at least the gay men cannot change at all. Most lesbians will have a hard time changing. I have no reason to attack anyone who gets wired up any particular way through no fault of their own. It’s like beating someone up for having green eyes or blond hair.

But nevertheless, it’s painfully obvious to me that homosexuality is simply not normal. Obviously the species would have gone extinct if this were the norm.

However, like geniuses, retards, murderers, and saints, homosexuality is normal in that sense: it will always be part of the human experience whether it is right, wrong, or indifferent.

Let us consider briefly one excellent argument for the abnormality of homosexuality: If homosexuality were normal, why would homosexuals habitually mimic heterosexual relations?

Gay men split themselves into males (tops) and females (bottoms) both globally and in relationships.

If you look at a lot of lesbian relationships, it’s obvious that a lot of the time, one is the man, and the other is the woman.

If homosexuality were normal, it wouldn’t mimic heterosexual relations. The fact that it does so habitually implies that it is heterosexuality is the human norm, and homosexuality is just the abnormal variant mimicking the norm, as many abnormal variants do.

Nevertheless, homosexuality is “normal” in the human sense in that most all human societies will have at least a bit of homosexuality.

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38 thoughts on “Alt Left: Face Facts: Homosexuality, Whatever You Think of It, Is Abnormal”

  1. There’s plenty of homosexuality in the animal kingdom…chimps, baboons, gorillas, bonobos. Clearly, that should make it normal as far as scientific evidence goes.

    But should that make it acceptable is a separate question. I used to be pretty darn homophobic all my youth and I thought that was normal. Until I met some decent gay blokes and I saw that they just can’t help it anymore than the gay animals do.

    It would be interesting to know if the heterosexual & homophobic chimpanzees/gorillas like to beat the living shit out of the faggots in their troupe.

    1. There’s actually almost no homosexuality in the animal kingdom. Among the apes, there is no such thing as the equivalent of a gay male or a lesbian female. There are no apes who prefer their own sex and have no interest at all in the opposite sex. In fact, this is nearly absent from all of the animal kingdom.

      What you are talking about is bisexuality or better yet homosexual behavior. In the post I was not referring to homosexual behavior – that’s common enough. I’m not completely normal, but it’s practiced by quite a large minority – 25% of men have had sex with another male and 20% of women have had sex with another female.

      The linked article points out two ways that gay males and lesbian females are abnormal.

      First, rareness. All rare things are abnormal per se. 3% of men are gay. 1% of women are lesbians. It’s abnormal automatically.

      Second, functionality if practiced by a majority. Obviously, if a majority of men were gay and a majority of women were lesbian, that would have some pretty significant consequences for our species. In that sense, gay men and lesbian women are extremely abnormal.

      Clearly, that should make it normal as far as scientific evidence goes.

      This is another definition of normal.

      Is it typically found at some level in most groups of humans? Yes, and it is even typically found at some level in our closest animal relatives.

      Until I met some decent gay blokes and I saw that they just can’t help it anymore than the gay animals do.

      Yes most gay men are biologically gay. They can’t help it. It’s like hating someone for having green eyes. But the animal equivalent of a gay man is very rare and nonexistent among the apes. So it appears that no apes are biologically gay in that sense.

      It would be interesting to know if the heterosexual & homophobic chimpanzees/gorillas like to beat the living shit out of the faggots in their troupe.

      There probably are no ape equivalents to preferentially gay men, so there would be no fag chimps to beat up on.

  2. This may be why many self-professed lesbians love sissy boys and loath manly men. A backwards butch is constantly reminded of what she wants to be but never will be when when a healthy straight man is manspreading right in front of her.

    1. Yep it’s a constant reminder that however much she wants to be a man, she will never be one. They like sissy men because they are harmless. Also opposites attract. Feminine straight men often find that rather masculine straight women are attracted to them. Masculine straight men are attracted to feminine straight women.

      And the sad thing about gay men is that gay men are most attracted to masculine men – IOW straight men, but straight men won’t have them. They’re not really into the other effeminate men they hook up with. So maybe that is why their lives tend to be rather sad. Lesbians also have a reputation for leading sad lives. “The Well of Loneliness” is a lesbian classic from the 1930’s.

      I’ve wondered why gays and lesbians are not as happy and seem to be more mentally ill than straights. They are finding this even in cultures where discrimination is about zero. So it seems there is something inherent in homosexuality that makes people nutty, unhappy, and possibly unfulfilled.

      My theory is that they violating Natural Law. They’re going against Nature. And things that go against Nature don’t really work. And people who go against Nature are often not very happy. Mother Nature bats last. Nature wants us to live our lives in certain ways, and when we don’t live our lives as nature dictates, we violate Nature and hence are unhappy because we are going against our “programming.”

      Thoughts?

      1. You can’t fight nature.

        I do think women are naturally fluid.

        I appreciate male beauty more than most women the West. Beiber was a total twink when he became a teen idol.

        Lesbians with their fake dicks can only really have oral sex. A gay will never give birth from his ass. Transgenders, male to female, likely more mentally ill but often less annoying than a flaming queer cis male. Of course, the ones that split their banana most always regret it, still not a pussy.

        Female to male dicks are even less realistic. The happiness of these groups is a glimmer. The passable trannies’ passability, the twinks’ twinkle, the lesbian couples’ sex, etc. all fade fast. A straight couple has more natural permanence. While the old gay homo sucks the life out of some bum in a dark alley like a mohel, the sun shines on the straight couple sipping lemonade and holding hands while watching their great grand-kids play.

    2. Sissy boy is overkill mocking, kind of like calling the mentally challenged retarded. Anyway, I doubt of those slinging the term “sissy boy” are really masculine themselves, honestly. At least, not as much as they’re letting on.

        1. I wouldn’t use extreme terms like that except on assholes that deserve it, like, say, wussy boys who are unappreciative of things.

          1. I don’t use the word sissies either, at least not to describe men. I do call men manginas, wussies, girlymen, fags, cucks, etc. But I reserve those terms for the men who are the enemies of us men – lining up with the feminists who have declared war on us. Fuck them. We attack their masculinity to shame them. They deserve it.

            I don’t call gay men any of those words except fag. Everyone knows they’re effeminate. They’re supposed to be that way. Why rub it in?

        2. I was friends with one male hairdresser who was as gay as they come.

          I used to call him queer, poof, poofter, fag, faggot, bender, bent, ass bandit, ass pirate, mule …many terms but never “sissy.” The guy was tough as hell and had tattoos all over his chest and biceps. He kinda enjoyed being called those faggy terms and was possibly and knew me well so I got a pass. I am sure he wouldn’t have tolerated random strangers calling him what I did.

          Well I needed a good haircut…so we were just bantering.

          I think most male hairdressers are gay or at least bi-. Except the traditional barbers who are as manly as they come.

      1. LOL some boys are sissies. Face it, man. It’s just true. Truly effeminate boys are absolutely sissies. I mean you can overuse the term to use for every boy who’s not a macho asshole, but sissies definitely exist. And a lot of gay man like to play the role of “sissy”. They dress up like women and want masculine straight men to fuck them as if they were women lol.

        1. Exactly, if the heel fits. Jason, we just have different or even opposite sacred cows. I’m closer to Archie Bunker, you’re Sammy Davis Jr.

          1. Exactly, if the heel fits. Jason, we just have different or even opposite sacred cows. I’m closer to Archie Bunker, you’re Sammy Davis Jr.

            Well, people come from different backgrounds. I mean, even I was a little shocked to see the college atmosphere with so much open proclamation of weirdness (which I don’t really like).

            But I’m not really weird; I’m just lanky and sort of different.

      2. Anyway, I doubt of those slinging the term “sissy boy” are really masculine themselves, honestly.

        Sadly they often are quite masculine. The ones who pick on regular soft, quiet boys who don’t go out for football are sadly the most masculine of them all. It’s SJW bullshit that homophobes are all covering up. Read Micheal Kimmel. He calls it toxic masculinity and says that pretty strong homophobia is a major component of toxic masculinity. He’s right. It’s part of the package. The more masculine the man is, the more homophobic he is, and the more he ropes in lots of straight men as gay too.

        Sure they’re assholes, but they’re definitely masculine. Masculine as Hell! What makes you think masculinity is such a great thing. It’s a sword with two edges. Masculinity has dropped many a man in the grave. That’s a good thing?

        1. Sadly they often are quite masculine. The ones who pick on regular soft, quiet boys who don’t go out for football are sadly the most masculine of them all.

          Lots of boys are too small to go out for football even if they worked out.
          Also, a lot of boys cannot make sports teams growing up – too much competition. Myself, I tried basketball tryouts (middle school) with all my heart, but honestly, I wasn’t in shape, and even if you were in shape, some boys just haven’t developed the talent.

          How can any boys compete against these “daddy’s boys” who have been training since 1st grade?

          Anyhow, everyone cannot make a sports team, but they can workout at a gym. Although I was too far from a gym and had nobody to explain or encourage me getting into that (maybe a home gym or something).

          1. I revel in anti-PC but honestly didn’t think “sissy” was. If it’s more offensive than all the other words, I’ll use it more. I’m not one of the jocks looking swirl your curly locks.

          2. How can any boys compete against these “daddy’s boys” who have been training since 1st grade?

            What are you going to do? Life’s cruel. People are mean. And young boys are as mean as snakes. None of this is changing anytime soon – certainly not in my lifetime.

          3. I revel in anti-PC but honestly didn’t think “sissy” was. If it’s more offensive than all the other words, I’ll use it more. I’m not one of the jocks looking swirl your curly locks.

            I’m not apologizing for having naturally curly hair – lol – or maybe I will get called Afro American or Bob Ross again.

      3. Relax, Jason. Did you get called a sissy as a boy or something. Tell you what, man. I’ve seen you on this site and I’ve talked to you on the phone quite a bit. You’re not a sissy, ok? And I doubt if you were one as a boy. Just because some idiot says something about you doesn’t mean it’s true. People mischaracterize others all the time, often deliberately just to be cruel.

        1. Relax, Jason. Did you get called a sissy as a boy or something? Tell you what, man. I’ve seen you on this site and I’ve talked to you on the phone quite a bit. You’re not a sissy, ok? And I doubt if you were one as a boy. Just because some idiot says something about you doesn’t mean it’s true. People mischaracterize others all the time, often deliberately just to be cruel.

          My nephew would say that even when I was in college, but he was just being a jerk to cover up the fact his mom left him. He basically terrorized our family because his grandparents were too wimpy to punish him, and his dad is a gigantic hypermasculine ass.

          So you see why I don’t like hypermasculine guys. I want to avoid them because they’re always abusive, and I’m always the target.

          1. That’s toxic masculinity. You don’t like toxically masculine guys. Fair enough. They are pretty much assholes, that’s for sure.

            But a lot of hypermasculine man are real nice guys. They simply act very masculine. I live around Hispanics and almost all the men here act like this. There are a few Black men here and they act like that too. The few White men around here are also pretty damn masculine. This is the hood, bro! You’re supposed to act tough around here. If you act like too much of a pussy, someone might hit you!

        1. I had a close experience in a Bali club but nothing really happened. I got very drunk and a woman started dancing next to me, she had a manly voice and a bob hair cut. Russian around age 40 or possibly 45. I had my doubts so I asked her: “Are you a woman??” She was like; “Yes, of course.”

          I was really drunk so I grabbed her, but of course even in a very drunken state, I’d never make out with a man. I looked around the goods, yes she had a pair of boobs, all right. We tongue-kissed for a while. I started feeling uneasy; I was 50% sure she’s a man. To rest my queries, we went one story below (it was a multi-floor nightclub) and there was a private lounge with large empty sofas. We made out a bit more.

          She was begging me to take her to my hotel or any room for sex. I slid my fingers inside her jeans (she was dressed in boot cut jeans and a manly shirt which didn’t really help me with arousal). Sure enough there was a cooter. I felt it up properly to verify if it was a perfectly natural vagina and not a sex reassignment job, although I have no idea what that looks like. But I was relieved to note that there was no penis or balls there.

          However the club security busted us and asked us to leave. I mean you were allowed to make out a bit, but full-blown sex was not permitted inside. I told the woman I’d meet her later and we exchanged WhatsApp numbers. I didn’t fancy ending my night with this butch when there were so many pretty girls on that dance floor. I still wasn’t sure she was a woman.

          Next morning I woke up to her messages. She wanted me to meet her again. I was sober and finally saw it; yes, she was a woman all right. But slightly hideous with a facial deformity or something. But at least she was a woman yay…I texted her nicely as a sign of relief.

          But then she started pestering me, and I blew her off with “I am sorry…just want to be friends. Yesterday night I was very drunk. Besides I am married, etc.” She was very angry but understanding at the same time.

          I wish her well but there’s no way I am ever fucking a dyke or tomboy.

          1. Bob haircuts are hot on some women – and even some women with non tits. Why are people so closed-minded on here – sheesh?

          2. Bob haircuts are hot on some women

            True but that’s not the point here.

            Why are people so closed-minded on here – sheesh?

            I was too drunk to notice that she was ugly as fuck. It’s not being close-minded; all of us have some absolutely minimal standards.

            I am sure there are many women for whom I don’t meet the absolutely minimal standards. Which is fine by me – it’s called freedom of association. I know it’s hurtful but I am never abusive toward ugly women: I am fine with them as friends and hanging out together. But I sure as hell won’t be fucking them.

  3. What are you going to do? Life’s cruel. People are mean. And young boys are as mean as snakes. None of this is changing anytime soon – certainly not in my lifetime.

    Stay away from them! I stay from judgmental assholes – staying in a room on a computer LOL. Call me a worm orwhat you will. If I go out into that world, it will be violent, or there will be lawsuits.

    Case in point: I got teased with gook lover at a church 20 years ago (the one across the road). I haven’t attended there since!

    1. Case in point: I get teased with gook lover at a church 20 years a go (the one across the road). I haven’t attended there for 20 years since!

      I am with him there. My method is slightly different: it’s called “burning all the bridges”. I have been completely ignoring the people from my past and totally deleted them from my life. It’s called the nuclear option. Especially after I lost my dear mother. I was like “Why should I have to waste my life around these shitheads who’ve always grated on my nerves. Let me go as far away from them as possible.”

      Why do you think I move around so much? Basically there were a bunch of shitheads I grew up with. They were my friends, colleagues, co-workers, women I had relationships with…and also my tormentors. If I summarize my life so far, I only find that they tried to kill me inside and undermine my self-confidence. I secretly hated the whole lot of them.

      For many years, I had been feeding myself the lie that I could “get along” with the people in my surroundings. Now I see it differently – I HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE MY OWN SURROUNDINGS.

      Fuck getting along – these just weren’t my types of people to begin with. I was just unfortunate enough to be placed in the same town as them. I hate them, I hate that town, and I hate everything associated with that place.

      Now I am indeed living a different life. I’ll keep burning more bridges if necessary to discover the true meaning of life. It’s too short to be wasted on shitheads who undermine you.

  4. Curly hair isn’t necessarily feminine. It is associated with blacks and Jews. But I get uptight about it cause of pride. Been picked on too much for it.

    Middle school kids in Bible Belt white USA don’t like it – cause it’s different. They don’t like anything different – but that’s how kids are. In a black school, from I heard, they call white people “stringy hair” – LOL.

    1. Curly hair is fine. A Jew or Med. girl with curls is hot. I think gingers get the most shit for hair. Redheads can be fiesty and wild.

      1. Ever seen those early pics of me. I look like Tony Orlando lol. I had long curly dark brown hair. No one said much about as the style was to wear it long back then. Some men said I was queerbait though. Queerbait is a guy like hot and sexy in the way that gay men like their men, so he attracts a lot of gays. A lot of pretty boy-type men are queerbait.

        Tell you what. Women loved that long curly hair of mine. They were always running their fingers through it, ” Ohhhh, I love your curly hair.” A lot of women think curly hair on a man is sexy. He probably has to be goodlooking though.

        1. Curly hair can look goofy. I guess it depends on what guy and how it’s styled.

          Well, for sure it’s hard to control – one reason to keep it short during windy seasons!

      2. Hell yeah! I love curly-haired women! One of my last gf’s had long curly ringlets. I kept asking her if it was real and she kept saying yes, but her hair didn’t use to look like this. She had Shirley Temple curls. Hot! Some curly haired Jewish, Greek, Armenian, and Turkish women are smokin hot.

        Redheads get a hard time in grade school. Everyone torments them. “Better dead than red LOL!” Both the boys and the girls get it. But once people get to be adults, a lot of men like redheads. They are pretty feisty though. Hotblooded redheads. The hair on their pussies is red too lol.

        1. Always with bullying – it’s the weakness, not the hair or whatever the target is. That’s why you’re being targeted. I mean, I’ve seen very macho football players with Afros – give me a break!

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