Shakey: It’s 2018, do you still think it’s impossible for female to transmit HIV to male (negative) during vaginal intercourse?
I never said that. I would not say that because there have been a number of documented cases of female-male transmission.
- If a male has an open sore like syphilis, herpes or chancroid, you can get HIV from a female.
- And if she has any sort of vaginal bleeding or if the male has any sort of penile bleeding, all bets are off. Almost all cases of female-male cases nowadays involve the presence of genital bleeding, most often vaginal bleeding.
- Odds of catching HIV from a woman are 1/10,000 per sex act, but this is from a study of long-term discordant couples. The couples in which the woman infected the man all had significant episodes of penile and vaginal bleeding (Nancy Padian 1989). This the famous Padian study that causes so much ridiculous and unnecessary uproar among Gay Politics types, who simply objected to the negative findings of the study. At the time, Gay Politics was actively promoting a falsehood that all heterosexuals were at risk of HIV. This was done because they felt that if Americans thought only gays were getting HIV, they would not care to spend much money as gays were a despised minority. In order to get the funding that the gays thought they needed to study and treat the illness, the gays thought they had to convince heterosexual Americans that they were all at risk too. However, this was a lie concocted for political reasons. Padian was ferociously attacked by gays for her largely negative reports on female to male HIV transmission, as her findings blew up the gays’ lie that all straight were at risk too. Padian was forced to do a humiliating apology to gay SJW types for no reason at all. The whole matter was disgusting.
- In the subtypes of HIV present in the US, the titers of HIV in vaginal fluid seems quite low to my eye anyway. I am looking at those titers, and they are so low, I am wondering how they are even going to transmit. It’s not enough to simply be exposed to HIV. You can be exposed to HIV many times and never get infected. The exposure that infects you has to carry a high enough viral load to cause infection, otherwise your body will just fight it off and you will not be infected. There is little to no evidence so far of female to male transmission of HIV via vaginal fluids from female to male.
- Keep in mind that HIV is a blood borne illness. It tends to be transmitted via blood and that blood needs to come in contact with the blood of the other person for an infection to occur. Semen is full of blood, so semen can cause HIV infection. But it has to come in contact with the bloodstream of the other person for this to occur. In homosexual anal sex, the semen from one man comes into contact with the anus of the other man. Anal sex causes small microtears in the lining of the anus. Furthermore, the lining of the anus is very thin. The anus seems to be a mucous membrane that simply soaks up whatever is in it. Hence it is relatively easy for blood-infused semen to enter the bloodstream of the receptive partner of gay anal sex. In vaginal sex, the risks are much lower because the vagina has very thick walls in order to pass a huge baby, for one thing. It was also designed for regular hard PIV sex, which it handles quite easily. However, if a man ejaculates inside a woman’s vagina, it can somehow come in contact with the woman’s bloodstream. I am not sure exactly how this happens. If you have read this far, you can see that HIV carried by something either blood or blood-infused, is needed to transmit HIV. There is nothing in a woman’s body that is blood-infused enough to give HIV to a man, and it has to somehow get into his bloodstream anyway. Hence the only reliable method of female to male transmissions seem to be occurring when there is vaginal bleeding. If the man comes into contact with this blood that has a lot of HIV in it, apparently this blood can get into his bloodstream somehow and infect him.
- The question of a man getting HIV from a woman via insertive anal sex is not known. A man could theoretically be exposed to blood from the woman while he is having sex with her. However, it would still need to get into his bloodstream somehow, and it’s not known how HIV can infect someone via a man’s penis.
- The question now turns to whether a man performing oral sex on a woman can HIV that way. Not only will you almost surely not get HIV this way, but you stand a very low chance of getting any STD through oral sex on a woman. It is one of the safest sex acts out there. The question of vaginal fluid being so low in titers that I doubt if it transmits is still somewhat up in the air. There has been one documented case of transmission of HIV female to male via a man performing oral sex on a woman. A 60 year old man who was impotent nevertheless still liked sex and had some money. He paid a prostitute every day to perform oral sex on her. These sessions could go on for an hour or two. The prostitute was HIV positive this whole time. This sex went on for an hour or two a day for six months, after which the woman infected the man with HIV. The vaginal fluid with HIV entered the man’s bloodstream somehow via his mouth, possibly via bleeding in his mouth. Another thing to consider is multiple exposures. So vaginal titers may be able to transmit under extreme circumstances. It is useful to note that lesbians often perform oral sex on each other in the same way that men to do women. I am not aware of a single transmission of HIV from woman to woman via oral sex.
- The role of a reduced immune system. In the above case of the man getting HIV via oral sex with a woman, the researchers still thought the transmission was odd. They searched for other factors that could explain his infection. This older man had diabetes, which can significantly lower your immune system. The authors of the report felt that the man’s reduced immune system plaid a role in his infection. Someone with a good immune system would not have gotten infected.
- The role of multiple microinfections with vaginal fluid. Vaginal titers are very low, but that mostly means that they will not transmit in one sex act. However, if you repeatedly get exposure to low titer vaginal fluid many times, you can build up enough microinfections that you build up a high enough HIV level in your system via many repeated infections.
- Bottom line is it is very hard for a woman to transmit HIV to a man. Since I wrote articles on this, commenters with experience with long term sex with an HIV positive woman and an HIV-negative man. One couple had been married for 23 years and had been having regular sex the whole time. They often used condoms, but for the first three years of their marriage, they did not. Even after 23 years of regular sex, the woman had not yet given HIV to the man. I had a Black woman who was HIV positive comment. She said she was HIV-positive, but had been having regular sex with her HIV-negative husband for 10-15 years. She had not yet transmitted HIV to him. I asked her about it and she simply said, “It doesn’t go from woman to man, so we don’t worry about and have sex any way we please.
- It is probable that there has not been a single female to male HIV infection in the porn industry over many years. Some of the men who claimed they got it from a woman were later revealed to have been having sex with men on the side, often working as male prostitutes. They practiced receptive anal sex when they did this.
- The female to male infection rate figures are artificially inflated because many men who claim they got HIV from a woman are simply lying. This has been known for some time. In the late 1980’s, the New York state Health Department reported that they had had a number of reports of female to male transmission since the early 80’s. However they said that via very careful extended interviewing, in every single case it was found that the man claiming he got it from a woman had actually gotten it either from IV drug use or from homosexual sex. The Department felt that female to male transmission was rare. The head of the department said, “HIV goes from men to women, and then it stops.” In other words, women are the last stop for HIV infection and the line of infection typically stops with women as they do not usually give to someone else. Recently an Infectious Disease specialist physician in the US reported that he had received a number of patients who were men who said that they got HIV from a woman. In every case but one, he was able to either find evidence of IV drug use via needle marks on the skin or via examination of the men’s anuses, he found evidence of receptive anal sex in them. I don’t know what that evidence constitutes. In the one case where he found neither method of transmission, the man had active Herpes lesions. The doctor felt that the man had gotten HIV from a woman via the woman infecting him through his Herpes lesions. These are after all open sores that provide direct access to the bloodstream.
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