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It isn’t necessarily true. The reason they are saying this is that studies were done that showed that leaders could not have IQ’s 2 SD’s above the average of their followers. It was also suggested that meaningful communication becomes difficult at 2 SD’s difference. They are probably referencing that study. But just because some study said something doesn’t mean it is going to be completely true in your own life.
As someone with an IQ over 3 SD’s above average, I don’t agree that that is true. I can have meaningful conversations with those 45–55 IQ points below me (3–3.66 SD’s). It is just that I have to somewhat limit the subject matter to areas I think that person would know about. A lot of people in that range are smarter than you think. You just have to keep the conversation around their level.
For many years, my best friends had IQ’s 3 SD’s below me. However, when I was spending a tremendous amount of my time around them, especially after I started university, I did get frustrated at times because the range of communication was somewhat restricted. I didn’t mind spending a lot of time with them, but there reached a point where I was spending too much time with them at which it became frustrating.
But it’s pretty fun to interact with people down around the 100 IQ level when you adjust your own IQ to about that level and learn to enjoy life on that simpler level. For instance, we used to smoke weed, listen to music, talk, joke and laugh about women, TV, people, people, dope, gossip, music, etc. You can have a blast down around that level. I remember stoned nights when the whole room could not stop laughing.
However, as I have gotten older, it is hard for me to relate very well to women around 3-4 SD IQ below me (90–100). We are not connecting on such a huge level – they are often so ignorant, and they act bored or threatened by my achievements but mostly they think they are utterly uninteresting.
People at that IQ level could care less that you just published a paper that got through peer review and was published in an academic book out of a university publishing house. They don’t care that you sit on a review board of a peer reviewed academic journal. They simply do not see that as important, they don’t have a high opinion of it. In other words, they are pretty much indifferent, puzzled or out and out hostile to any sort of intellectual achievement or talk. On top of that, they can sometimes bore the living Hell out of me.
I need the women in my life to be more around my intelligence level. Two SD’s difference and below is acceptable. At 2 SD’s below, I can connect very well and have had deep and intense love affairs with women. You end up explaining things a lot, but they can figure things out after you explain them to them, and you can get into professor vs. rapt student roles, which is an ego boost for me and seems to also be a lot of fun for them.
It’s also fun to watch an rapt student delighting in new knowledge. And at 2 SD’s below me, people are capable of a lot of interesting observations, especially about people, culture, and even politics. They often have sophisticated, clever, odd and even intellectual senses of humor. They’re smarter than you think they are.
It’s not that you cannot have meaningful conversations with people below 2 SD’s, it’s more that at some point you hit this wall that goes up between the two of you, and things get can get a little weird and uncomfortable. There’s a disconnect or a lack of communication taking place. But this is more at 3–4 SD’s below me rather than 2 SD’s.
I also run into regular problems with people not having the slightest idea of what I am talking about. I don’t know if they don’t want to talk to me or they just can’t figure out what I am saying, but they say they don’t get what I am saying. I also get misunderstood a lot. People misunderstand my jokes and read mental illness or dangerousness into them.
My writing is always misread and misconstrued in a similar manner. This has led to a lot of people hating my guts for something I said or wrote when they are completely misunderstanding what I said. Probably a lot of these folks are above 2 SD’s below me. Lack of intelligence is out and out dangerous. I can’t count how many times people misunderstood what I was saying, doing or writing and used it against me. I thought it was due to lack of intelligence on their part, but I don’t know exactly how intelligent most of these people were as I had little interaction with them.
The problem is when you get to 2 SD’s below me, from my POV, a lot of people don’t know how to think. They misconstrue what you say, do or write and see mental disturbance, dangerousness, and severe deviancy into you when it’s not there. However, I have met folks 1 SD below me or even at my level who did the exact same thing and constantly misunderstood or misconstrued me because they don’t know how to think. However, I think the inability to think properly is more common as IQ goes down.
I hate to say it but my opinion after decades of life is “Dumb people are dangerous.” They don’t understand others so they commit aggression and harm against the people they don’t understand. In this sense, lower intelligence levels are not innocuous at all, and for me, they carry the potential of a lot of harm.
I have found that as people’s IQ’s go higher, they misunderstand me a lot less, start to figure me out, don’t read weird or stupid things into what I say, do, or write, and frankly cause me a lot less harm. It seems to require a fairly high IQ to make the difficult distinctions that are necessary to figure out what I am saying, doing, or writing.
I could give you endless examples, but there’s no need to.
If people of lesser intelligence were innocuous, they would not bother me in the slightest. But when stupidity becomes harmful as it so often does, I start seeing the world once again as, “Dumb people are dangerous!”
A Lot of People on Quora Are Going Around Saying That They Can’t Have Meaningful Conversations with Those Who Have IQ's That Are 2 Standard Deviations below or above Their IQ's. As a Profoundly Gifted Person Do You Think This Is the Case?
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We can have a meaningful conversation about zebras and elephants 😆
Well, it is possible to sound like a cunt, no offense. What I mean is that you don’t mean to sound annoyingly weird, but the lower IQ, as you say, cannot connect the dots of what you’re saying.
Like some redneck guy might hear some random writing and say “Huh, fucking faggot! He might even track you down and verbally and physically assault you!
So that was my problem on social media that @Beau-regard could not understand. I didn’t suck – per se, as people were mocking me, but they hate the political views and they simply cannot grasp what I am saying.
So that’s why I view social media as very dangerous and would rather be off of it!
So the school shooter in Texas, like so many of the others, are bullied and that’s why they became school shooters. Cause, again, they are cunts – in the sense they cannot relate to the low or maybe average IQ. Those groups misunderstand them, label them faggots, say they suck, bully them.
Well, looking at the average IQ of dangerous countries, it’s certainly no surprise that dumb people are dangerous. Not all low IQ societies are dangerous, but nearly all dangerous societies have low average IQ’s.
Well, to be frank, high IQ nations have nukes. High IQ nations engaged in World War I and II.
I meant in terms of murder rate and general street violence.
Yeah, but what difference does it make? You can have a president that can falsify information about WMDs, then scaremonger a nation into believing it and before you know it we’ve bombed the hell out of their country and causes untold civilian casualties. Does that make it any less bad than street violence? Now we have a president once again claiming that Iran is a threat that may nuke the USA, and half the population believes it. We will probably end up in a war in Iran before Trump is done and a bunch of people will end up dead.
It’s because they equate high IQ with rising morality. But that’s not the truth. The high IQ probably makes people more stable minded, like they won’t go off blabbing like a retard, but it doesn’t make them saints.
So I’d say there are different forms of evil. But then again, isn’t a high IQ person doing animal testing and also a low IQ person involved in dog fighting? Who is the barbarian?
“The problem is when you get to 2 SD’s below me, from my POV, a lot of people don’t know how to think.”
This is what frustrates me more than anything when dealing with average or below average IQ people. Having to constantly deal with the 1+1=3 problem. I get quickly irritated seeing people with poor reasoning ability and who jump to specious conclusions based on faulty evidence. Or who have not developed the intrapersonal skills to recognize when their feelings are coloring their ability to see something objectively. That’s a skill you really need to be taught.
A few months back I got into an argument with some friends about the Vegas mass shooting event. They heard on some lame right wing news site like Infowars that there were likely multiple shooters because witnesses alleged that they heard shots coming from different directions. Thus the “official story” is probably wrong, and this may be a false flag event.
Things like that make me want to pull my hair out. Because some people who can be perfectly reasonable in one area of life can be maddeningly illogical in another area. I tried to explain to them that witnesses alleging hearing multiple shooters means nothing. In a crisis situation where senses are overloaded, people are running and screaming, bullets bouncing off objects, sonic echos that come in large open spaces, such accounts of hearing multiple shootings have to be taken with a grain of salt.
Human senses are very unreliable because the brain has to sort out what is going on, and the brain can filter sensory input to make you hear whatever you expected to hear. To then take these highly suspect accounts and form a conclusion that the media is lying about other shooters is one hell of a deductive leap. These guys are friends of mine but tend to believe in a lot of conspiracy theories of all sorts. I just can’t deal with that kind of shit. I have to walk away. I’ll explain where their logic is faulty, if they don’t get it, I just have to walk away or lose my sanity.
Another instance a few weeks ago, I was on this Facebook group for Black men who like to travel. One of them made post asking why it’s so expensive to fly to Africa. Someone replied and said that it’s because the White man wants to stop Blacks from getting in touch with their heritage. To make matters worse, all these other people upvoting the comment and agreeing with it. WTF, seriously.
And these guys probably have decent jobs making more money than me, probably have great social lives and otherwise thrive and survive just fine in the real world if they have money to travel the world. But then someone can say something so preposterously irrational and people just conclude it must be true.
I responded to the comment saying that it’s expensive to fly to Africa for the same reason it’s expensive to fly to Barrow, Alaska. Low demand airline routes, especially to remote locations, are always expensive. Has not a fucking thing to do with race. If there was tremendous demand by Black people to visit Africa, airlines would be adding routes in order to profit from it. The demand isn’t there. And if this was about the White man stopping Blacks from discovering their heritage, why aren’t the African airlines adding more routes to the USA? My comment didn’t get a reply and only one upvote. I haven’t been back to the forum since.
The ability for otherwise normal, sane, and functional people to suspend logic or be selectively reasonable is indeed dangerous. That’s why Trump is president.
Sorry for the typos, I need to start reading my responses before posting, lol. I wish you had post editing enabled.
Shouldn’t there be a WordPress mod for that?
Our society is very very emotional, beyond reason. There’s nothing wrong with being emotional, but you can’t be so emotional that all pints of rationality is taken away from you. If most people took some time out of their day actually thinking about these things instead of making random conclusions based on articles they read, or some guy they heard down the street, then our society wouldn’t be making such mistakes.
Robert, why don’t you have an editing or deleting feature added to these comments.
It is not available to me, sorry.
“The ability for otherwise normal, sane, and functional people to suspend logic or be selectively reasonable is indeed dangerous. That’s why Trump is president.”
Otherwise normal is just normal as their brains arent devious. To be irrational during manipulation is normal. Those guys just sound dumb lol.