RL: “Young men need sex with women. When you deprive young men of women to have sex with, they’re going to screw guys.”
Sebastian Hawks: Hopefully this isn’t true of all young men but some more pathetic young men may succumb to. I always assumed this phenomenon is what The Violent Femmes were alluding to in their song Why Can’t I Get Just One Fuck with the part about
“Don’t shoot shoot shoot that thing at me
You know you’ve got my sympathy
But don’t shoot that thing at me.”
I’d assume it was meant at a blue-balled male friend who came on to him at some point out of frustration, and the song is reinforcing that this behavior is out of bounds.
My little brother had a friend like that. A strange incident he recalled in music camp in Jr. High where the dude beat off under the covers telling him what he was doing all proud of it. In retrospect I bet he was hoping he’d join in after later stuff became revealed about him in high school.
Four years later this little schlemiel was in the high school play along with another boy whose mom knew Hillary Clinton and recently had his 15 minutes with an article written about him called Hillary’s Gay Nephew. This dude brought a hetero porno over to my brother’s pathetic friends house when his mom and stepdad were gone.
Homos often use straight porn to broach the topic of sex when they come on to straight dudes. Gacy did the same thing in his early years before when he was just molesting straight teen boys who worked for him at Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Hillary’s Gay Nephew whipped it out on the couch and started beating it, encouraging the other kid to do the same, and soon the gay kid talked the friend into letting him such my brother’s friend’s dick. Afterwards the little schlemiel was so freaked out he had a tearful phone confession to a girl in the play who promptly told everyone, and we laughed our asses off at the dude.
Then another dude who now in adult life moved on to be a con-artist heard about it and repeated the same shit with the dude! He gave some line about how he likes to try all kinds of new and different experiences, and come to think about it, he’s never had a penis in his mouth, “So can I?”
This con-artist dude claimed he wasn’t really gay, he was “hetero-emotional” he liked to fuck guys but could only really, really be in love with a girl. Sounds gay to me. He later married a chick under my theory that he found being a con artist and showing up with a gay lover immediately put the mark on the defensive, but having a woman trailing along put them at ease making his scams easier to pull off. My brother’s friend claimed to be horrified about “just two times!” and later went on to marry and divorce a woman.
He’s an amusing character and we like the guy, but his “history” still has us questioning just exactly who he is and we joke about him having a secret life on the down low in Chicago’s “Boyztown” bars.
He was Jewish, and there are a lot of mental pathologies in their community like Woody Allen always makes fun of in his movies. Maybe they are just more likely to experiment with some fucked up shit in their teen years out of extreme, blue-balled horniness?
That’s probably his whole gay history right there. If he were indeed still having gay sex in Boyztown, trust me, you are going to find out about it or figure it out one day. All of the closet cases I knew got figured out very fast, and a friend who got heavily into gay sex without telling us also got outed pretty quickly. They just can’t do this in secret. They always get found out, at least by me.
Jewish guys are actually less likely to engage in this sort of thing as Gentiles. They reportedly have a lower rate of homosexuality, while Black men have an elevated rate. I am not sure what either figure means. Jewish males are also the ethnic group that loses their virginity latest.
He probably did only do it a couple of times. Especially getting your cock sucked. There are a lot of straight guys who say, “I’d let a fag suck my cock.” A gay man in San Francisco said it was well known among gay men that there were a lot of straight men there who sought out gay men in order to receive blowjobs from them. They often said that their wife would not give them oral sex or expressed frustration with their wives.
If you read around, you will find plenty of reports of straight men who experimented with homosexuality. In a lot of cases, they indeed only did it once or twice.
Others may have done it a bit more. I had a friend who was on a Navy ship. He said there was a fag on the ship, and a lot of guys used the fag to get their cocks sucked. I was at the guy’s house once and he took a shower and pointedly walked around naked in front of me, I guess as a hint. I turned my head like, “I didn’t see that!” I didn’t appreciate that too much. He mostly liked chicks though.
Two times is nothing. Anywhere from 17-25% of men have had sex with a man. The 25% figure is by age 18, so a lot of guys do this stuff in adolescence. Experimenting with homosexuality in adolescence is very common among straight males.
That guy should have shut up about his two times though. If the 25% figure is correct, then an awful lot of guys do this stuff in adolescence. But I’ve only known a few guys who admitted to it. I imagine a lot of straight men are lying about having an incidental gay history.
Experimental Lesbian Sex among Straight Women
I definitely know a lot of straight women who have experimented with lesbian sex. I can think of four women right off the bat – one who was a long-term girlfriend – who told me that they had had sex with a woman once. In three cases, it was in the context of a three-way with two females and one male and in another case, it was in the context of putting on a lesbian show for some men. So you see, even their lesbianism had strong heterosexual overtones as males were typically involved it.
A recent study found that 45% of American women had had a lesbian experience. An older Cosmopolitan study found that 20% of women had had sex with a woman.
Blind Surveys Show Much Higher Past and Current Rates of Homosexual Behavior and Hard Drug Use
The 45% really shocks me, but maybe it is true.
They used a different technique for the study using extreme privacy in which the subjects are told that no one knows what anyone’s responses are. It’s done completely blind. These surveys are typically done with an interviewer, and I believe a lot of people simply lie to the interviewer about homosexual experiences and behavior and hard drug use.
One study in the Toronto suburbs used this technique. They had people go into a room with no windows and fill out the survey on a computer. Interestingly, they got very high numbers for hard drugs – the figures for ever used or current use of heroin and PCP were much higher than they usually are. Also the figures for ever having or currently engaged in homosexual sex with very high. Subjects were young college aged men in the Toronto suburbs. Shockingly, they found that 13% of these men were currently having sex with men! I imagine that quite a few of them leaned straight, but that figure is much higher than you usually get.