American blacks are supposedly 14% – 20% white and this is surprising to me.
So many English colonists pulled their pants down and raped African girls in the Deep South?
Certainly there were violent sexual assaults by white men on black women but you need to look clearly at the early history of the US and slavery. Consider the following – no more than 388,000 black slaves (and some freemen) arrived on the US shores which led to the current 42 million black Americans which are predominantly derived from those slaves reproducing with each other, native Americans, whites, and Chinese plus later immigration from the Caribbean and Africa.
For the first 150 years of European immigration (and black slave importation) into the US blacks and whites could and did intermarry legally and FWIW the first slave owner was allegedly a black man. The color line (and laws to enforce such) became more rigorous after Bacon’s rebellion in the late 16th century. So with such a small population combined with loose rules for more than 100 years it’s not surprising that there were many voluntary unions between blacks and whites.
18% of the mtDNA of black women in the US is European in origin, meaning at some point these women had a white female ancestor which I doubt resulted from a white woman sexually assaulting a black man. Also there were multiple voluntary unions between blacks and whites after the civil war and blacks in Northern states, where slavery was banish before the civil war, have a higher percentage of ancestry than Southern blacks. If the British/US whites had the same sexual attitudes towards black women as say the Portuguese in Brazil, we’d probably have a “black” population that was majority white.
In fact, many of these unions were voluntary. Towards the end of the slavery era into the 1800’s, the plantation economy became so huge that the population of slaves was not large enough to do all the work. Many lower and working class salt of the Earth White types in the South began working in the fields alongside the Blacks. They were paid wages while the Blacks were slaves. Although one would expect these Whites to be brutally racist, in fact, they were a very downtrodden group themselves who had more in common with the slaves than with the rich Whites.
The atmosphere in the fields was congenial and White and Black workers worked side by side in harmony. As one might imagine, quite a bit of romance and sex grew out of this proximity and there were a large number of Black-White unions resulting in mulatto children, mostly from White male workers and Black female slaves. These unions were mostly consensual.
Also there was a lot more consensual sex between slaves and the master’s family and friends than you might believe. Many Black female slaves quickly figured out that sex with the master or his relatives was a great way to earn lots of nice privileges, including moving from the fields to the house and all sorts of other goodies, including possibly even freedom.
After Liberation, there was a lot of sex between Blacks and Whites in the South. White women were very puritanical and were expected to be virgins until marriage and White men were supposed to protect their honor. It became nearly a ritual for White men to lose their virginity on the wrong side of town with a Black woman. There were also quite a few more or less clandestine Black female-White male unions in the South on the wrong side of town, although generally Whites did not care much what young single White men did with their dicks on the other side of town.
Deep into this century, Black women often reported being groped, sexually harassed and propositioned by White men as they walked down the street or went about their business in town. This sort of thing occurred in broad daylight. Alpha told me that some of her relatives related that White men had expressed interest in them and that is was very common in the South of their time. Really no one much cared if White men had sex with Black women, as they were seen as loose, slutty, and fair game – basically free prostitutes. Perhaps the actual sex should be kept out of the public eye somewhat. Young White men often regaled each other with tales of sexual romps on the wrong side of town.
This was sort of an open secret in the South. Everyone knew about it, but you were not supposed to talk about it.
The only real taboo was children resulting from these White male-Black female unions. Any child born of these unions was simply lost to the Whites and White society. The White men would not raise such a child and marriage or living with the Black woman was a no-no. So she simply raised the child herself and the child was raised Black as a part of Black society.
With enough of this going on, you ended up with some awfully light-skinned “Blacks” over there on the wrong side of town and it became common for such folks to try to get a leg up by “passing” as White. Many were in fact able to pull this off (Black women perhaps more than Black men) and there have been a number of books written on this topic including some well regarded works of literature.
Those who “passed” could have sex with either Blacks or Whites in both cases of which the offspring would be light enough to pass for White. If “passers” or light-skinned Blacks had sex with Blacks, the result was lighter than the Blacker partner. Light-skinned Black men were often brighter, more educated and had more money and hence were sought out by Black women for social climbing. In addition, lighter skilled Black women with Whiter features have always been prized by Black men who selected for them to a high degree.
Recent studies show a convergence of Black and White skull phenotypes since the Civil War. It is almost as if we are merging towards a common single race.
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Some white men are not ashamed of black women and will go public with them. It depends on the company. However, no black man is ashamed of a white woman and will bring her to Wal-Mart or wherever.
Possibly with white men is the aspect of fear of crowd rejection, but the black men don’t care.
This was in the Jim Crow South, Jason.
Exactly what does that mean when you say “ashamed”? That assuming they have a deep desire to begin with.
You’re joking if you actually deduced from that a black individual is less concern with “crowd rejection” considering it has a more conformist culture than whites.
And I’ll put it like this, you see more Black male and Black female pairings for a reason. Eurasian women have been selected more for physical attraction while Black women, due to low state of most societies, were selected for ability to work.
However in the case of America I think obesity plays the biggest role in terms of intra race preference for black males. Have BMI been lower, I suspect the preference would be greater than it already is.
Baloney Phil. A large number of blacks specifically target larger white women.
Define “large”. Also, how do you actually know that’s what they TARGET versus what they end up with?
In other words, when blacks do get white women they are often, but not always, of a lower Iq like in the 90s range.
People of lower Iq, due to impulsiveness, have higher likelyhoods to be obese.
Impulsiveness might not be the problem. A better candidate is genetics, as far as getting large is concerned. Also, the American diet is not healthy. It’s full of sugar etc…
Well true, genetics CAN contribute to obesity. That however doesn’t debunk that obesity can be linked to impulsiveness and IQ Jason, you’re only bringing up a different source.
NAMS do not behave like Europeans so it is puzzling that they should have so many European forefathers.
A Mestizo does not behave like a person you would meet in Madrid. Madrid does not have barrios.
Similarly, people you would meet in the hood do not behave like English gentlemen of the Colonial British Deep South
the link to the convergent skull phenotypes does not work. I would really be interested what this is about!
I have not really understood this: does the genetic imprint imply that mixing between blacks and whites in the USA up to the 19th century was roughly equal due to BMWF and WMBF pairings or not?
I think the 25% white average is disingenuous. At what point past 25% do you seize to be a particular race, and not a hybrid?
On a distribution curve, this would imply that, so long as you’re only 40-49% white, you’re still black. Does that make sense?
While not quite an innovation of our time, this was mainly a modern progression through the influence of the one drop rule.
In say, pre-civil war and early antebellum periods, it was made note of an individual of african descent who had some known european ancestry was termed as a “colored” rather than a “true negro”.
While this worked with slaves, it didn’t work so well with Africans in terms of ancestry. In a true taxonomous sense, early africanists termed many races of Africa to be “mulatto” or simply “negroid” due to deviating from the stereotypical appearance and postulate it to being due to admxiture with Caucasians. while it was true with fulani people and Nilosaharans, it wasn;t quite to the extent that they believed A.K.A “mulatto”.
For example, this guy was analyzed and was thought to be a “mulatto”.
I can see that due to the hair and nose bridge but if we were to have a professional South American get a good look at him, no way he would past. More likely those features were the result of some lesser ancestry from Fulani or some sudanid.
as for the qualification of mixed race, to me, past 10 percent to me would technically count as a “hybrid” but it depends on how you phrase the magnitude.
In the case of African Americans at 25%, I would say “I’m black with some white ancestry.”.
With Mulattoes I would say ” I’m neither, I’m mixed race”.
However this changed due to the One drop rule.
But there is no one drop rule for Amerindian ancestery and so many white southerners will brag about being part-Amerindian. Black, on the other hand, is not seen as cool, not even in today’s PC society.
As a side note, it’s also interesting how racist Mexicans and Amerindians are towards blacks, yet demand racial justice from whites toward their respective groups (at least that’s the case with a lot of them). Also, the same thing goes with blacks in reverse against Mexicans and Amerindians.
Amerindians live so far at the other end of the geographic spectrum in remote places far from the cities one associates with NAMS that little interaction between NAMS and Amerindians occurs.
It is worth adding that although Mexicans are half-Amerindian for lack of a more sophisticated way of describing them-Amerindians are not particularly fond of Mexicans nor attempt to establish any sense of kinship with Mexicans.
Good point and also Amerindians, judging by Facebook posts, also feel massively threatened by illegal immigration.
What you contributed pretty much has no relevance to what I’ve said considering I was talking about African Americans.
I may’ve a distorted some perception of Crowther. When referred, he was called a negro since he was christianized from a pagan Nigerian tribesold as a slave but I’m referring to his look based on this passage.
Another trait that i believed lead to the conclusion would be the hairyness, but palaenegrids, of which Yoruba like him are high in ancestry with, are known to be more hairy than sudanids.
Blacks and whites have cohabited in the US for 4 centuries, which is about 16 generations. American blacks, many of whom of course are more white than black, are 16% white. This means that, on average, each generation of blacks in the US saw its share of white genes increase by 1%. So, of every 50 babies born in the black community, 1 had a white father. 50 unrelated babies have 100 parents, and one of those 100 parents would be white male.
The percentage of white genes in the American black community would be even higher if a lot of light-skinned hybrids hadn’t left the black community to join the white community. Sarah, the woman with whom Thomas Jefferson had children, was a quadroon. As a result, their offspring were octoroons. These octoroons became members of the white community.
The rigid, ridiculous rule that only one drop of black blood suffices to make a person black arose only in the beginning of the last century. Before that, there was more flexibility.
The average rioter in Milwaukee might trace his white ancestry to an English gentleman whose pedigree included titles and nobility.
If a middle class someone had sex with a waitress or female fast food worker nowadays, would that be considered slave rape? :lol; Should there be lawsuits for a share of the middle class person’s money?
Paternity suits are quite common and if the guy is making decent money, the woman will take it.
Historically there is some consistently there-a population of orphans whose fathers wanted quick and dirty sex has not made Latin America.
I’m not sure how the system works for poor males with 8 kids or what their offspring can expect from the government in terms of support but sadly, irresponsible and reckless procreation is not restricted to NAMS.
I would not be surprised even more sadly, if a great many of these white ancestors included fairly important English noblemen and aristocracts.
Given the differences between behavior you detect in NAMS and an English upper-class title holder in the UK it demonstrates the degree to which NAM backgrounds overwhelm the gene admixture.
It wasn’t all in Jim Crow-there was a joke about how a Southern Belle could identify all the mulattoes on neighboring plantations as “gossip” but had CogDi when it came to her husband’s 😂. Some was rape, some were Black Babes trying to get a extra privileges by being flirtatious, both on the plantation and in the South. PS- the more scientific minded Autosomal studies of African-Americans have come up 22% White on average (Nat Geo and NCBI). The SD of Black ancestry in surprising small at 12%. NCBI tried looking at regional ancestry and found 48% Nigerian (Yoruba), 13% Burkina Faso (Mandingo), 10% Central African,and 7% other. It was very comprehensive. Once I can use my PC I will link to it:
In the Jim Crow\later South, I mean. And as for the 78-22 figure with an SD of 12, we’d see that 68% of AAs are between 66% and 90% Black. I suspect that someone who is only 66% Black is going to really stick out in Africa. But I’d love to hear more from our brain trust about repatriations.
As for 66%, it depends on where you go. The major mixing points for Africans would be the Horn, the Northern Sahel bordering Nort Africa, and SE Africa.
66% for a Somali for example wouldn’t be atypical
Regionally I came out roughly 30% nigerian, Mali ans Senegal combined making me 25%, 4% pygmy and bushman combined, about 5% South-East Bantu, The rest of it I believe beinging Central African of my 82-84%.
BTW, the figure for AA admixture varies. The 25% includes mixed race individuals according to my brother, but based on those who identify as “black” I guess woud be 20%.
Still, that’s rather Moderate for an Afram if not a little higher. BTW, that 48% figure isn’t likely monolithically Yoruba from Nigeria. Some of that could be from Dahomey, a neighboring kingdom, or from SE nigerian tribes as Yoruba are SW.
Oh, I forgot to add 13% Ashanti.
It may include mixed race, but it may not.
I assume the 81% figure you site is just based on whatever Blacks decides to take the Commercial tests? Mixed race folks would be MORE as likely to say AA on that than the Research ones because their is no scientist pressuring them to be specific.
here they are;
adding Black and Southern African you get 77%-78%.
However, with NCBI, I can’t find my 78% study, but, rather, found an 86% study;
saying 14% is the admixture, with an SD of 10%. It was the “largest study to date”.
It may include mixed race, but it may not.
I assume the 81% figure you site is just based on whatever Blacks decides to take the Commercial tests? Mixed race folks would be MORE as likely to say AA on that than the Research ones because their is no scientist pressuring them to be specific.”
Well that’s true but nowadays it becoming more of a trend to call yourself mixed race than just African American.
So, in other words, while some biracials would be included into the test you could still have a biracial category left out so that technically doesn’t necessarily cause mixed race people to gravitate to online studies.
BTW, yeah, mine was based on commercial test.
Also dienekes has posted a late study using these tests.
Actually it was 80%, so pretty close to you 78% study.
However looking at your components of your 73% study I find it doubtful because of the San and Southwest Asian Estimates.
This indicates that a large Black portion of it was from Southeast Africa were Bantus mixed with those other two components.
That Med also makes me suspicious, as most black mixed with either white Southern or white Northerners which should make the Northern European higher.
I think this may may’ve included Hispanic Blacks as well because they have a higher Bantu component in them including though from the south east and would explain the Med fraction.
This looked at really old/archaic ancestry.
The SW Asian is for all intents and purposes European (for instance, the English are 17% SW Asian in this study), and the Europeans are very mixed (Northern Euro ancestry in the South and vice-versa).
A lot of the other studies try to cram the results into our perceptions of race, not any thing with actual genetic validity.
Then I guess that 4% figure for South African was partially from a Paleo-african source, makes sense.
Paleo African basically being pygmy-like, like certain populations in SE basically being paleo in a sense.
But why would any right thing male, even black males would wanna do a black chic in the 1st place is way beyond me. Now as for the masters ‘doing’ their female slaves, perhaps it could have to do with trying to get more slaves for nothing, especially with the slave trade being outlawed in the US after 1808. Or maybe just the tendency for males to fuck anything that’s alive & happens to have a hole in it, or perhaps worst of all, even no longer alive, if given all the wrong circumstances.
Some black women are hot, and some white women do not exert an appeal to certain men. Iv’e even seen some guys say oriental women were ugly, even Japanese, and I find it kind of shocking. Again, it’s all an opinion.
” Now as for the masters ‘doing’ their female slaves, perhaps it could have to do with trying to get more slaves for nothing, especially with the slave trade being outlawed in the US after 1808. ”
That really doesn’t make sense because
A. why not just breed the slaves? It would cost just as much
B. You could still BUY slaves from others.
“Or maybe just the tendency for males to fuck anything that’s alive & happens to have a hole in it, or perhaps worst of all, even no longer alive, if given all the wrong circumstances.”
This makes more sense.
Also you do realize that they wouldn’t just Fuck any Black chick, right? They would’ve pick one out that wasn’t average if anything.
But I’ve almost never met a black chic that I did like, & even if I ever did, maybe because she happen to have white characteristics, such as straightened out hair, boney cheeks, lighter skin, & that’s only with black Americans, seeing American blacks have an average of about 25% white within them, roughly the equivalent amount of Amerindian blood that the passably white argentines happen to have.
White women curl thier hair all the time, but I guess your talking about frizz right?
Note that people who aren’t born with frizzy curly hair, go out and perm it, and those that have it naturally hate it. Or maybe it’s like Asians who have surgery to get rid of slanted eyes.
“But I’ve almost never met a black chic that I did like, & even if I ever did, maybe because she happen to have white characteristics, such as straightened out hair, boney cheeks, lighter skin, & that’s only with black Americans, seeing American blacks have an average of about 25% white within them, roughly the equivalent amount of Amerindian blood that the passably white argentines happen to have.”
Personally I like the round faces of some Black chicks. With Black chicks you also get some projecting cheekbones as well.
The idea that mulatto women are hotter is a myth. In reality, it’s just subjective. There are plenty of hot darker women, just like plenty of hot mulattos, and based on your preference, you could find less appealing mulattos or blacks.