Who are more archaic? Vietnamese or Thai?
Thai, I think. Thais transitioned to Neomongoloid probably only 900 YBP. Vietnamese transitioned to Neomongoloid 2,300 YBP. The more recent the transition, the more archaic features will be preserved. The older the transition, the more the archaic features will tend to have gone out. This is because generally humans sexually select for progressive features and against archaic features, at least nowadays anyway.
Southern Chinese – Most progressive Southern Neomongoloid with few if any archaic features. Transition to Neomongoloid probably 4-5,000 YBP.
Vietnamese – Moderately progressive Southern Neomongoloid with some archaic features. Transition to Neomongoloid 2,300 YBP.
Thai – Least progressive Southern Neomongoloid with more archaic features. Transition to Neomongoloid 900 YBP.
In all three cases, the previous stock that transitioned to Neomongoloid was probably an Australoid type, even in Southern China. This is why Afrocentrists go on and on about “Black Chinese” – there were quite a few dark people with frizzy hair in Southern China 5,000 YBP.
Vietnamese certainly transitioned from a Melanesian type. The earliest Vietnamese skulls from 22,000 YBP are clearly Melanesian.
Thais probably transitioned from some sort of an Australoid type, but it’s not known which. It may have been a Veddoid type.
In the case of the Vietnamese and the Thai, the transition to Neomongoloid occurred as a consequence of a mass invasion or movement of Southern Chinese into their regions.
There was a huge invasion of Vietnam by Cantonese Chinese 2,300 YBP. That is why Vietnamese is full of Cantonese borrowings.
There was a very large movement o unknown character by Yunnanese Chinese into Thailand 900 YBP that appears to have significantly changed the Thai phenotype.
The case of Southern China is less clear, but as Northern Chinese transitioned to Neomongoloid 9,000 YBP, 4,500 years before the Southern Chinese, the Southern Chinese transition to Neomongoloid probably occurred due to a mass movement of Northern Chinese to the south. But that is only conjecture.
Also more progressive phenotypes tend to have higher IQ’s than more archaic phenotypes. I am not exactly sure why that is honestly.
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Robert, how do you know these are transitionnal types and not racially mixed ones ?
What transitional types?
The Vietnamese have been more influenced by Chinese culture and the Thais by Indian culture.
Until the 19th century Southern Vietnam was inhabited by mostly Austronesian Champas.
What do you think of the Khmers of Cambodia?
Not sure, seem like they are more Paleomongoloid. They also seem to have a lot of Indian influence in their stock.
The wikipedia page about the History of Cambodia is quite interesting, there was a great Khmer Empire between the 9th and 13th centuries, during this period they build Angkor Wat, the biggest religious structure in the world.
Khmer people were great during their Hindu period but after they convert to Buddhism everything went donwhill for them.
Their creation myth is that they’re descendants of a Snake people that mated with a Hindu God (I think is Vishnu or Shiva).
So I rather have some residual archaic admixture?
Could be, I mean that is normal for Filipinos you know. Flips are pretty much Paleos.
But I wont be a Paleomongoloid, isnt? Well I have seen a lot of Filipinos that I think are a lot more Paleomongoloid than me especially the lower classes. And sometimes im asked if am i/mistaken for Chinese even among some chinese people and rarely, Japanese/Korean. Im not sure whether they think of northern or southern chinese. But I also think you are right that I look Thai. I was also mistaken for an Indonesian. Most Indonesians are more paleo isnt?
I do not know, that judgement is up to him. I am not very good at this stuff honestly.
So do I have more archaic phenotypical features?
Who knows? You would have to take your pics to one of these Net anthropologist guys.
Yeah I have to ask an Asian, isnt? 🙂
Yes.
When I posted my picture to be classified on one of the forums, it seems that some Anthropologists are just bullshitting.