In Defense of Liberal Race Realism

Nominay writes:

“Liberal race realism” is repugnant. Some of it’s true, some of it’s bullshit, but clearly the bullshit comes out on top. And I’ve never once seen described or provided from a LRR point of view what the solution for Black inferiority is. There may be some points made by Robert and co. about Blacks that are (unfortunately) accurate, but Liberal Race Realism is endlessly negative.
It just reads like a parade of White virtue while stomping on Blacks. The only difference between racists and Liberal Race Realists are that Liberal Race Realists care about Blacks (I guess). But even then, nothing positive is expressed from that. It’s easy to beat up on Blacks and showcase them as an easy target, but it takes something more admirable than that to gain insight into what can be done about the challenges Blacks face. I don’t exactly see White, Black activism today the way I did when Robert Kennedy was their advocate.

LRR doesn’t engage in bullshit. We demand fact-based analyses and hopefully fact based theory supported by some sort of fact based solutions that are at least experimentally valid while still open to challenge and in need of replication.
Also we don’t engage in racism. LRR is officially nonracist as a general rule, and some of us are antiracists. We do argue that one ought to be able to avoid and have a negative opinion about some ethnic or religious group that has harmed you or your people one too many times. LRR doesn’t know if that’s racism or not, but even if it is, then LRR would be for that “racism.”
LRR doesn’t believe in any particular causes of the behavior of various groups.
For instance, Black IQ scores are lower. But LRR takes no position on why that is. Some of us think it’s genes, some think it’s environment, some think it’s the flying purple people eaters. We urge LRR supporters to draw their conclusions about the causes of ethnic behavioral rates and metrices.
But LRR’s would say that a high IQ state should not be importing a lot of low IQ people. It makes no sense societally or genetically.
As far as crime goes, LRR simply points out with alarm that certain ethnies and even religions in certain places have elevated crime rates. We list the different rates for the different groups, and then we discuss why this might be happening. The main thing LRR does is get the truth out there about the differing rates, as it is a pubic safety matter, and PC society buries this stuff.
Now as far as what causes some groups to commit more crime than others, LRR takes no position. Personally, I think Blacks have an inborn elevated risk of criminal behavior. I am not sure how that works, but I figure it might be genetic. Now other LRR’s are free to disagree. There are LRR’s who say that the causes of high Black crime are strictly environmental. They are free to feel that way as LRR generally take no stand on causation of racial variables.
LRR would say though that it makes little sense for a nation to mass import groups that have a higher crime rate than the natives of the land. If the majority native group has 1X crime rate, why mass import a group that commits crimes at 7X the native rate? It’s irrational. Also there may be groups that have .25 the crime rate of the natives. LRR’s might say that you should import these immigrants so as to lower the nation’s crime rate and maybe even improve the genetic stock.
LRR generally doesn’t advocate solutions to race-based problems because we doubt if there are any.
Inferiority? LRR doesn’t believe in inferiority. Sure, Black crime rates are higher, and IQ scores are lower, but I don’t see how that makes them inferior people and us superior people. Why do you think a lower IQ score and a higher crime rate makes them inferior people and us superior people? Those are just matrices. Nobody’s really better than anybody else at the end of the day.
LRR is just stating observational facts. Yep, Black crime rates are higher. All over the damn world in fact. What’s causing it? That’s not really important. What might be important would be to quit importing them.
Yes, Black IQ scores are lower. LRR is just pointing that out. All we want to do is point that out. Yep. At the moment, on average Blacks are less intelligent than Whites. Fact.
Now what do you want to do with that fact? I do not know, but at least people should know it is true.
LRR has no idea how to raise Black IQ scores or lower their crime rates. That’s for educators, criminologists and police chiefs to deal with.
I would like to point out that the crazy antis and the PC nuts don’t have any solutions to these problems either.
The IQ issue they say is not even true, so they scream and yell about an achievement gap which of course is to be expected if there are intelligence differentials. Mostly these folks just fall back on insisting that poor Black school performance is all the fault of White people!
On the crime issue, first of all, they generally just deny it and refuse to talk about it. Or they make bizarre statements saying that White collar crime done by Whites is just as bad or even way worse than Black street crime.
Then they spread malicious libelous claims about Whites saying that we are evil criminals too. For instance, they lie and say Whites have a far higher rate than Blacks of being serial killers and pedophiles. Now I would be perfectly happy to claim a couple of notorious crime categories for my people, but that statement isn’t even true. Blacks are more likely to be both serial killers and pedophiles than Whites are.
So you talk about the very serious problem of Black crime, and PC types first of all say it’s not a problem because Wall Street. Then they level vicious hate attacks on my great people calling us serial killers and child molesters.
If you really press these people, they will admit that Blacks cause an incredible amount of crime, but it’s all White people’s fault that they do this. So they turn Black bad behavior into an excuse to use hate speech against my people.

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  1. So its basically race realism while being as liberal as possible about it.
    For me race realism is a scientific question.
    I think race is real in some sense…certainly Lewontin was wrong. But even that question is academic and I’m not too bothered either way. What is certainly true is that there are different populations, which have different frequencies of allelles and therefore different frequencies of various traits and different averages on a range of traits. That’s simply scientific fact.
    How this relates to intelligence or criminality (ie whether there is a genetic basis for population differences) is uncertain…but may be resolved in the future.

  2. Here is the difference between people of science and ideology. People of science believe in fact, truth and accept the world as it is. People of ideology only believe in the things they wish, and will be in denial if things not in their favor. Galileo was perfect example person of science. Most people in the world are example people of ideology who see the world through dominant opinions.

  3. Liberal race realism henges on the idea of benevolence. For instance, in our society, we make an effort to help the mentally handicapped.
    If you look at the past, slavery was sort of a “mentally handicapped” slavery, since blacks, for various genetic and environmental reasons (like being forbidden by law to read) couldn’t match up to whites. Some whites bought on to this, and thought they were doing the blacks a great favor. One theme of the pro-slavery movement was that slavery was kind, cause slaves couldn’t be fired, and thrown in the street.
    Anyhow, there were many serious flaws to the pro-slavery way of thinking, and nowadays, any form benevolent racism is a joke. Why? Because benevolent racism can only be implemented with slavery (unless you want to adopt blacks into your family like on the show “Different Strokes”), assuming your a typical non-liberal race realist. Well, there is no slavery now. So the popular idea on Stromfront is simply leaving blacks to their own devices, but keeping them far away. Almost all race realists are libertarian types.

  4. In a sense, the government already practices benevolent racism. It proclaims that all races are equal, yet It recognizes blacks have disadvantages due to environment, and works to overcome them. However, it’s efforts haven’t been enough.
    For instance, public schools, as Robert noted, are way underfunded, especially in non-white areas. It does give them tons of welfare, but again, it isn’t enough. In addition, because of Hollywood and other factors, we see even more cultural degeneration, which ultimate aids in further financial degeneration.

  5. Black Slavery (in the New World) existed because racist benevolence was very profitable. Nowadays, most racist types see the elimination of so called “parasite races” as the only solution. They are already angry, cause they think racial benevolence has went too far (with welfare, affirmative action) etc.. Racists see blacks as totally useless, unlike Mexicans, who work, even though that work doesn’t benefit working class whites.

    1. Throwing all of that “excess cargo” overboard in the Atlantic doesn’t sound too benevolent to me. Nor does whipping someone until his back is a mass of scar tissue. I have a sneaking suspicion that the welfare of the slaves themselves was never a paramount concern for slave owners. The average poor white American was probably more concerned about worms and yellow fever.

      1. QUOTE”Throwing all of that “excess cargo” overboard in the Atlantic doesn’t sound too benevolent to me. Nor does whipping someone until his back is a mass of scar tissue. I have a sneaking suspicion that the welfare of the slaves themselves was never a paramount concern for slave owners. ”
        Not according to the Pro-slavery movement, or modern Confederate apologists, LOL. All blacks were house slaves, according to them. They all came from the “Song of the South” movie. Which, by the way, is practically banned now. Isn’t that strange?

        1. I will admit that white Southerners can be a strange lot. The same people who proudly display the flag of southern rebellion are also the most patriotic (read: nationalist) Americans you will ever find. AMERICA!
          What I find most baffling about white southerners is that, given the fact that so many of them find black people to be a major headache, they can still revere anyone associated with slavery. After all, if not for slavery, none of the heartbreak associated with race relations in the United States would have even occurred in the first place: no Civil War, no Reconstruction, no Voting Rights Act and no expensive private academies to drain the family budget. There would be no “inner city” schools or race riots.
          People are damned irrational.

        2. @Stealth
          “After all, if not for slavery, none of the heartbreak associated with race relations in the United States would have even occurred…”
          And then I would be half-naked throwing a spear, ironically slavery was the best thing to happen to my ancestors.
          “no Civil War” I think that would still have happened, the Civil War was about more than just slaves, if there was no Civil War, America would have been a bunch of city-states, countries and territories.

        3. Richie:
          The southern states were part of the United States, and they seceded to preserve slavery. Period. They saw the writing on the wall and wanted out. The Civil War was about slavery, even though the United States government had no intent to abolish it at the moment.

  6. In my hometown, the existence of the handicapped provides a lot of jobs. A lot of welfare might go out to them, but society gets a lot back via jobs. It’s not the situation Hitler envisioned, when he claimed that the handicapped were a drain on society, and therefore, should be killed.

  7. QUOTE”Also we don’t engage in racism. LRR is officially nonracist as a general rule, and some of us are antiracists. We do argue that one ought to be able to avoid and have a negative opinion about some ethnic or religious group that has harmed you or your people one too many times. LRR doesn’t know if that’s racism or not, but even if it is, then LRR would be for that “racism.””
    Generally, many people don’t want to help other people (outside their family) unless it’s profitable. Helping the handicapped is profitable. Before the civil war, enslaving (feeding, housing) black slaves was profitable. Many people simply see the solution for the non-profitable as banishment, not help. There is a great probability that’s not going to change.

    1. QUOTE”We do argue that one ought to be able to avoid and have a negative opinion about some ethnic or religious group that has harmed you or your people one too many times. ”
      Yeah, I wish that was the case. The problem is that people don’t want to examine the problem further. They have no heart, and see things only in financial terms. They might understand their is a deeper thing going on, but still blame the troublemaker. I guess people are just mean. That’s how people behave.

      1. It can’t be both ways. This is one of those liberal contradictions that drives me insane. On the one hand, they’ll tell you that members of group A are just as moral, law-abiding, self-controlled, etc. as members of group B. Then, in no time, they’ll tell you that group A is indeed less moral, law-abiding, and self-controlled, but that you should forgive them for that because they’re picked on.
        A liberal’s thoughts must be very compartmentalized because I don’t see how someone could avoid going crazy while holding so many contradictory beliefs. In my own head it would be like a collision of matter and anti-matter.

  8. I’m feeling a lot of love (ie, phony white guilt) in this room tonight.
    Earlier, we discussed dehumanizing racism vs “aversive” racism. The majority of conservative Americans are aversive racists,….. and so are the vast majority of white liberals I’ve met. Some of these liberals make the same complaints about black people that their conservative counterparts make, but the liberals honestly believe that their own “racism” is someone different because they vote for the Democrats. I’m not sure how that works, but I’ve seen it a thousand times among the transplants who end up living in the South and others who spend enough time here to get to know the locals.
    Invariably, the new arrivals are aghast at just how “racist” the native whites are. They become apoplectic at any mention of race that isn’t scripted and liberal (no matter how innocuous). Eventually, however, as they get to know everyone better, they let their guard down and reveal that they’re no more color-blind than the Southerners they judge so harshly.
    In some ways, many of them seem even more racist, or at least less sensitive. I can tell you that most racist conservatives I know wouldn’t hurt anyone’s feelings by disingenuously declaring in front of God and everybody that black people are closer to apes than white people. I don’t mean to pick on Nominay here, but that was kind of a mean-spirited thing to do.

    1. “…Invariably, the new arrivals are aghast at just how “racist” the native whites are. They become apoplectic at any mention of race that isn’t scripted and liberal (no matter how innocuous). Eventually, however, as they get to know everyone better, they let their guard down and reveal that they’re no more color-blind than the Southerners they judge so harshly…”
      They’re actually worse than people who have lived around Blacks all their lives. They expect some “Magic” Negro like they see on television. The reality shocks them. The people that live around them all their lives know Blacks just have certain limitations that lower their intelligence and their ability to control their impulsive behavior.

      1. I think there’s more than one flavor of liberal. First, there’s the true believer; this liberal has either had only the most superficial contact with black people or has only interacted with members of the so-called talented tenth. These folks usually live at a very safe distance, so everything is academic for them.
        The second type of liberal wants to have his cake and eat it too. He lives in a place in which he is able to interact with and observe all kinds of people, so he has more personal experience than the true believer. He is critical of black people and does not believe they’re perfect or that whites are responsible for one hundred percent of their ills. However, the fight against racism has been part of his culture since he was a child, and these observations of his contradict what he’s been taught.
        I’m sure this second liberal experiences a lot of cognitive dissonance. To make himself feel better, he simply tells himself that his own racism isn’t that serious. It’s those other assholes who are the real racists. Not me. I’m responsible enough to handle reality, but if we ever let up on these rednecks, they’ll bring back slavery!

        1. QUOTE”Not me. I’m responsible enough to handle reality, but if we ever let up on these rednecks, they’ll bring back slavery!”
          Some right wingers want to bring back black slavery via prison labor. It’s no joke. As you know, a large percentage of blacks are in prison, and another large percentage was in prison, or will be in prison.

        2. I’ve never heard any right-winger mention using prisoners as labor for any purpose other than making prison more unpleasant.

        3. @Stealth
          Robert Lindsay isn’t “liberal” yet he still has sympathy for blacks. and I don’t think conservatives are racists, from http://occidentinvicta.com
          “For example, the mainstream right loves to blame the pitiful performances of cities such as Detroit on “liberal policies,” unions, teachers unions, and so on. All while ignoring the taboo fact that Detroit and similar cities have predominantly poor, black populations that lag behind other groups regardless of who’s in charge.”
          “The people that live around them all their lives know Blacks just have certain limitations that lower their intelligence and their ability to control their impulsive behavior.”
          @Sam
          People who live and grew up around blacks tend to act black, the ones your thinking of are the people who move to black towns/cites or see there community become black/Hispanic.

        4. What do you mean I am not a liberal, Richie. I consider myself to be a man of the Left.
          I am actually a “liberal racist.” Yes there is such a thing supposedly. It’s an insane notion, but I plead guilty to it.
          “Liberal racists” supposedly insult Black people by saying there is something wrong with them and they need to be fixed. Liberals are here to say, “We want to help the Blacks (because they can’t seem to help themselves)!”
          Yep, there is something wrong with Black people all right. Are they just fine the way they are? Nope, are you kidding? Do they need to be fixed? Of course they do, assuming it can be done at all. Black people are broken. Broken things don’t function need to be repaired.
          Of course there is nothing racist about thinking this way, but really PC types have so expanded the definition of racism now that just about anything a White person says or does now is “racist.”
          But anyway, I am very proud to plead guilty to the lame charge of being a “liberal racist.”

    2. QuOTE”. Some of these liberals make the same complaints about black people that their conservative counterparts make, but the liberals honestly believe that their own “racism” is someone different because they vote for the Democrats.”
      Yeah I know what you mean. A family member of mine pushes PC notions of environmentalism and health worship down my throat. Nonetheless, he and his wife have no problem bashing blacks (They live in a black neighborhood), and mock me as the “PC police” when I try to defend them. What a bunch of hypocrites, I say. Also, if they hate black culture so much, then why don’t they leave? They give the common imperialist answer “We are making money from real estate.”.

      1. You don’t have a lot of experience with black people, do you?
        “Also, if they hate black culture so much, then why don’t they leave? ”
        I kind of feel the same way about white liberals who complain about how our ancestors “stole” America from the Indians. Shouldn’t these scolds be emigrating? I mean, if someone thinks her presence in North America is not legitimate, then she should lead by example instead of haranguing other white people who don’t agree.

        1. “…Also, if they hate black culture so much, then why don’t they leave? …”
          There’s nowhere left to go. If we don’t stem the tide now we’re done. Even if I’m wrong and multiculturalism is great stuff that will enrich all our lives if it fails we lose everything.

  9. QUOTE”The people that live around them all their lives know Blacks just have certain limitations that lower their intelligence and their ability to control their impulsive behavior.”
    This statement might mean something, if the environment wasn’t so bad. Look at Hollywood, and the music recording industry. Your telling me that’s not having a huge affect on blacks?
    Also such a statement can’t account for blacks who are quasi-normal, and have jobs like doctor, lawyer, and whatnot. Again, genetics isn’t a function of morality.

    1. Jason Y must be Jewish because his arguments are all Jewed up. Jews for some reason continue to use the gorilla dust method of arguing anything. They throw all kinds of extraneous arguments into the mix of a basic flow of thought to cause confusion. I believe they can’t help it. Their brains just work that way. For example,
      “…This statement might mean something, if the environment wasn’t so bad. Look at Hollywood, and the music recording industry. Your telling me that’s not having a huge affect on blacks?
      Also such a statement can’t account for blacks who are quasi-normal…”
      Well yes the statement does mean something and has nothing to do with Jewish TV and record deviance. Everyone, who knows anything, knows all populations are “bell” curve in their behavior. The bell curve for Whites is at roughly 100 I.Q. and Blacks at 85 I.Q. This of course accounts for “…Also such a statement can’t account for blacks who are quasi-normal…”. Some smaller than White population percentage of Blacks will act like Whites. Genetics is not everything but it is a LOT. Any study of the Minnesota twins studies will shock you if your a pure environmentalist. The environment just doesn’t account for much. Derbyshire said it best. About 15% of Whites are no good, low I.Q. troublemakers who beat their wives, drink to much, etc.. About 50% of Blacks are like this. 50% is just too much. You can’t have a modern safe city with 50% of the population acting like crazed people who have no regard for others. Even worse the professional Blacks have kids and in many cases they also are 50% crazed lunatics.
      Jason Y knows this. This is why people hate Jews. Constant lying and deviate shifting of the facts. Jews just refuse to be honest. It took me a long time to nail down the truth of this behavior even though I knew something was wrong. I can hardly stand even a few minutes of TV because they’ve become worse and worse. Even when they’re telling the truth the distort the meaning of it.
      The solution to 80% of the US’s problems is to deport the Jews, the Blacks, illegal aliens, immigrants who have caused trouble and stop mass immigration.

      1. QUOTE”About 15% of Whites are no good, low I.Q. troublemakers who beat their wives, drink to much, etc.. ”
        That’s laughable. South Koreans have a very high IQ, and drink nearly as much as the Irish, or Russians.

        1. Exactly my point. Thanks for proving it. I say,”About 15% of Whites are no good, low I.Q. troublemakers who beat their wives, drink to much, etc.. ” and you talk about Koreans.

    2. This statement might mean something, if the environment wasn’t so bad. Look at Hollywood, and the music recording industry. Your telling me that’s not having a huge affect on blacks?
      Jason, this might make sense except that Black groups engage in this behavior anywhere they are found in great numbers. The light really went off in my head when I started studying Black populations all over the world. “They’re the same everywhere!” It hit me.
      Caribbean Black groups engage in much the same junk that US Blacks do, or maybe even worse. African Black groups also engage in this same behavior but on a much worse level.
      It’s Hollywood and rap in the US.
      What is the fancy environment in the Caribbean that is making them act bad? And you can’t say Hollywood and rap.
      What is the fancy environment in Africa that is making them act so bad, actually much worse than Caribbean or US Blacks?
      Blacks act pretty bad in France and the UK too. What is the fancy environment that is making them do it here? Don’t say Hollywood and rap.

      1. In many ways India, which according to you is a caucasian country (despite being entirely mixed-race), is more “fucked up” than Africa. Africa does a better job of feeding its people than India for example. Africans are far cleaner than the hindus of India. The per capita income in Africa is higher than in India. Africa’s international trade numbers are substantially higher than India’s. With China investing very heavily in Africa, its future looks bright. Nigeria has already produced 4 self-made billionaires, all natives, including the richest man in the African continent.

        1. Absolutely. Indians are mixed Australoid-Caucasoids, depending on how you want to do race. Mixed Australoid-Caucasoids is the best way to describe.
          Indeed, some Caucasoid groups function at a very low level. What exactly is your point anyway? Indians are not Norwegians LOL.

        2. Nigeria can take its billionaires and shove them right up its ass. India has billionaires too, and its the world’s biggest sewer. And Nigeria is not far behind. I bet you dollars to doughnuts every single of one of those Nigerian tycoons is a major criminal.
          If you think Nigeria is so great, why don’t you go visit the place and tell me what you think of it?
          Yeah, Africa is doing better than India. I have said that many times on this site. How humiliating can it get? When Africa is beating you, you know you must truly suck.
          I am not so sure that Africa has such a bright future. I hope so, but I am very dubious.

        3. Nigeria can take its billionaires and shove them right up its ass……….I bet you dollars to doughnuts every single of one of those Nigerian tycoons is a major criminal.
          Wow. Such emotional prejudice. Why?
          Actually, all of Nigeria’s billionaires made their fortunes with legitimate businesses. For example, Aliko Dangote made the bulk of his billions from his cement business. He is not only the richest man in Africa but also the most generous philanthropist of that continent. You should apologize for calling him a “major criminal”.
          http://www.forbes.com/sites/mfonobongnsehe/2014/03/05/africas-richest-man-aliko-dangote-to-donate-1-2-billion-to-foundation/

      2. What is the fancy environment in Africa that is making them act so fucked up, actually much worse than Caribbean or US Blacks.
        Surely you jest. In the minds of white liberals, there’s always some white originated cause for literally all negative behavior in non-white groups. Africa was COLONIZED. In their minds, the trauma of colonization will forever force the people of that continent to engage in counterproductive behavior. Mainstream liberals refuse to consider any alternative to this view, and they’ve had the last fifty years to conceive of multiple responses to every single challenge to their beliefs.
        They’re sort of like libertarians in that they spend a lot of time defending things that to the rest of us are bullshit on sight.
        This leads me to believe that a lot of them don’t really believe in this crap at all.

      3. I think liberalism makes people behave worse. If you notice, black crime was very low during the 50s and early 60s then skyrocketed. Why? Because liberals made excuses for them. If you hold everyone to the same behavioral standards, people with tendencies for behaving worse will try their extreme hardest to behave well.

        1. It is not true. In Europe, there are very liberal societies with very low crime rates. Communist societies always low crime. When you go from a leftwing Commie society to a rightwing capitalist society, the crime rate skyrockets. In Europe, crime is related to socialism. The more socialism you have in a country, the less crime you have. It is a linear relationship.

          1. Not getting into an economic debate but I’m speaking of liberalism in terms of making excuses for people’s misbehavior, something that started to intensify during the 1960s. Otherwise, how do we explain the extreme growth in the crime rates between the calm 1950s and early 60s to the turbulent late 60s and early 70s?

        2. Europe is Ground Zero for the type of thinking you describe.
          Black people commit TONS of crime no matter where they live on Earth. In the Caribbean, in Brazil, in Western Europe, and in Africa.
          It doesn’t matter what sort of a system you put them under, they commit tons of crime no matter what. They are just going to commit lots of crime no matter how you treat them or what you say about them. Once I figured that out, I knew there had to be a biological explanation for Black crime. Nothing else makes any kind of sense.

        3. I knew there had to be a biological explanation for Black crime. Nothing else makes any kind of sense.
          You don’t think rationally when it comes to blacks. If biology is destiny it should apply to everyone not just blacks. You claim that socialism leads to less crime. So why doesn’t that apply to africans?
          Did you bother to compare the crime rate of socialist Cuba to other Caribbean nations? Did you check the crime rates of africans in muslim countries?
          Here is the ranking of countries by murder rates:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
          The worst are central american nations led by Honduras which is 90% mestizo and only 2% black. Southern Africa is the second worst region. The most striking correlation is not racial but this: all of the 20 most violent countries
          are overwhelmingly christian! These are all non-european, historically exploited countries that lie within the western civilizational sphere, through conquest, colonization, conversion. What rational conclusions do you draw from that?

        4. Yes socialism and Islam act as Supercultures that attenuate the inborn elevated risk the Black group has for crime. Of course environmental factors effect genes. Everyone knows that.
          Most of the world is not in a Cuban economy of an Islamic system. In a non-socialist, non-Islamic system, Blacks will tend to commit vast amounts of crime.
          Yes, there are groups of people who commit even more crime than Black people. Amazing isn’t it?
          Christianity does not really work as far as ameliorating Black inborn elevated crime proneness. Of all the religions, only Islam tampers Blacks down.
          Your argument is falling apart. Of the top 20 countries with the highest homicide rates, 15 are either Black countries or are heavily loaded with Black genes (Dominican Republic, Brazil).

        5. Btw, the children currently pouring into the US are coming from these same central american nations which have the highest murder rates in the world.
          The New World aka the American Continent is the most crime ridden region on the planet. Why is that?

        6. Of the top 20 countries with the highest homicide rates, 15 are either Black countries or are heavily loaded with Black genes (Dominican Republic, Brazil).
          Actually, the top 5 countries (Honduras, Venezuela, Belize, El Salvador and Guatemala) all have very low black populations. The predominant genes are amerindian and spanish.
          As for the Dominican Republic it is 58% caucasian genetically:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Republic#Population_genetics
          Brazil is even less african genetically:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Brazil#Composition_of_Brazil.2C_genetic_studies

        7. Yes socialism and Islam act as Supercultures that attenuate the inborn elevated risk the Black group has for crime. Of course environmental factors effect genes. Everyone knows that.
          If “everyone knows that” why did you claim that:
          It doesn’t matter what sort of a system you put them under, they commit tons of crime no matter what.
          Wasn’t that intellectually dishonest?

        8. Yes we are taking in lots of people from Central America. But when they come here, they and their children will commit much less crime here than they do in Mesoamerica, so it’s not genetic. For instance, looking at homicide:
          Whites 1X
          Hispanics 3X
          Blacks 8X
          Hispanics do commit quite a bit more homicide than Whites, but it is far outshadowed by Blacks. I currently live in a 67% Hispanic city, and it is livable. A city of this size and income that was 67% Black would be vastly worse and IMHO not even livable. It would be like Ferguson, Missouri.
          I am not sure what you are getting at anyway. Are there regions that commit more mayhem than even Black regions? Yep! Those are called Hispanic regions!
          PS there are quite a few Black countries in Latin America, mostly in the Caribbean but there is also Belize and Panama and Brazil are also quite Black.

        9. Yes, Dominicans are half Black. Why do you think they commit so much crime, even after they come here? Belize is a Black country. The favelas of Brazil where all the crime comes from are full of Black genes. Look at the people. Venezuela is 25% Black genetically. I will grant you that Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala have almost no Black genes, but the extreme homicide rate is rather new in those places and it has not always been that way. I am not sure what you are getting at here. I say Black folks commit tons of crime wherever they are on Earth, and you say OTHER PEOPLE DO TOO. LOL, you haven’t exactly refuted my statement pal.

        10. I wasn’t taking Cuba into account. There are also some good stories out of Mozambique and Angola.
          Islam is pretty good at reducing Black mayhem, but Blacks still commit lots of crime in a lot of African Islamic societies. They just commit a lot less than otherwise is all.
          It wasn’t intellectually dishonest. I just wasn’t thinking of the few exceptions.

        11. Yes, Dominicans are half Black. Why do you think they commit so much crime
          Actually they are less than half black. And their murder rates are much higher than neighboring Haiti’s which is overwhelmingly black. How does that fit into your narrative?
          Brazil is mostly mixed race tri-racial, including in the favelas, with the european component being the highest, followed by the african and lastly the amazonian indian. While lagging well behind mestizo central america Brazil still has a much higher murder rate than the great majority of black african countries.
          Clearly a lot more than just “biology” is going on here….

        12. I will grant you that Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala have almost no Black genes, but the extreme homicide rate is rather new in those places and it has not always been that way. I am not sure what you are getting at here.
          It should be pretty obvious what I am getting at here. I am refuting your ridiculous claim that “biology” alone explains criminality, but only for blacks. Why do you abandon your rationalism and liberalism when it comes to blacks?

        13. I currently live in a 67% Hispanic city, and it is livable. A city of this size and income that was 67% Black would be vastly worse and IMHO not even livable. It would be like Ferguson, Missouri.
          Well 30% of Ferguson is still white. I bet your city was a lot less than 67% hispanic not so long ago. Obviously many, if not most, whites are not as comfortable living in a city like yours or California in general. Hence the exodus of a large percentage of California’s anglo population to whiter parts of the country.
          Perhaps you are more accepted by hispanics because you look more spanish/ethnic/ambiguous than full-on anglos? How many nordic whites are still left in your city?

        14. Robert said,”…Mesoamerica, so it’s not genetic. For instance, looking at homicide:
          Whites 1X
          Hispanics 3X
          Blacks 8X
          …”
          This may not be wholly accurate for ALL Amerindians. It could be that the less violent immigrate and the more violent stay behind. Bullies, Ruffians and Thieves are to lazy to make the trip all the way to the US. They stay behind and murder people. Just like a lot of peaceful Blacks move from predominately violent inner cities to other areas.

        15. Actually they are less than half black. And their murder rates are much higher than neighboring Haiti’s which is overwhelmingly black. How does that fit into your narrative?
          There is more going on here than pure genetics.
          I would still rather live in the Dominican Republic. The mulattos have created a much better society than the pure Blacks living in a pure Black culture without White role models for 200 years. Haitians simply went back to Africa or never left in the first place.
          Clearly a lot more than just “biology” is going on here….
          Indeed there is more to this than biology and there is no need to put it in quotes unless you are a purely socially constructed being.
          The favelas are much Blacker than the middle and upper middle class neighborhoods.
          Even Brazilians say Blacks are criminals. I have a White Brazilian friend. She told me, “We have a saying here in Brazil about Black people. If they don’t steal from you when they arrive, they will steal from you when they are leaving.”

        16. Biology alone does not explain criminality in Blacks and only in Blacks. Other factors are at play in explaining Black criminality, but genetics plays a role as they inherit an elevated predisposition to crime.
          Biology plays a role in all criminality among all races, and all races and all individuals inherit a predisposition to crime at some level.

        17. In 1970, this city was majority White and in fact majority Italian.
          The Whites never left. It is more correct to say that a flood of Hispanics moved in. The Whites who don’t like minorities would have moved out of the Central Valley a long time ago. You don’t live in the Central Valley if you hate non-Whites. I have never met any Whites who fled the Central Valley for Whiter locales in the state.
          I am 100% Nordic myself. There are many Nordics in this city but there are also many Meds. Hispanics do not care about White people because they are part White themselves and many Hispanics look more or less White to one degree or another.

  10. Slavery, with all it’s problems, was still better than our modern prison system, which is filled with blacks. At least slaves got fresh air, could have sex with women, and were safe from gangs.

    1. You are aware, of course, that most of the blacks who were enslaved had done nothing wrong while most of the black people in prison are being punished because they’ve committed a crime of some sort.

  11. QUOTE”I think there’s more than one flavor of liberal. First, there’s the true believer; this liberal has either had only the most superficial contact with black people or has only interacted with members of the so-called talented tenth. These folks usually live at a very safe distance, so everything is academic for them. ”
    I think this rings true for most Americans, in general. They live in a guided cage. They see poverty and hatred on TV, but are shocked when they encounter it first hand. It’s as though, the bad stuff didn’t really exist, or why would they now suddenly see it. For instance, I have some middle class relatives that took a vacation to the Bahamas. They were shocked by the poverty, and had to comment. Well, NO SHIT.

    1. The shock is from the fact that it was the Bahamas (a known tourist country) If it was Haiti or Afghanistan there would be no shock.

        1. Actually all 3rd world nations wallow in poverty. I guess, they were under some mistaken notion it was Hawaii. Isn’t it weird, that the only way some place can escape the 3rd world, is by literally joining the US as a state?

  12. Btw, african-americans have the same IQ as the persians, arabs, turks, kurds, berbers, pashtuns, mizrahi jews of the middle-east, who according to the US census are classified as white caucasians. How do all you racists, liberal or conservative, reconcile that with your worldview?

    1. Mizrahi Jewish IQ = 90
      Moroccan IQ in The Netherlands = 89
      Turkish IQ = 90
      No one knows the IQ’s of the Kurds.
      Yes some Caucasian groups have fairly low IQ’s of ~85, which is the same as the US and UK Black IQ. However, 85 IQ Caucasians seem to produce vastly better, more ordered, wealthier, safer, and functional societies with lower crime than Blacks do with the same IQ.
      Why should this be hard to reconcile with our worldview? I do not get it.

      1. White supremacism is inextricably tied to claims of white intellectual superiority. Why else do you think white racists endlessly obsess over the low IQ of blacks?
        Also, do you really think countries like Afghanistan, India, Bangladesh are wealthier and “vastly better” than africa? How safe are Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, Libya?

        1. Most white nationalists (as opposed to white supremacists) will be the first to tell you that East Asians are smarter than whites. Whatever other faults they have, they don’t claim that whites are the most intelligent on average.

        2. The Black IQ of ~86 appears to have tremendous implications in Western societies. That is one reason people talk about it. Another reason is that it is an endless source of strife. Obviously, Blacks lagging behind in a lot of educational and occupational factors can be directly tied into that IQ differential. But everyone says the IQ gap is not there, so Blacks lagging behind just means they are underprivileged and suffering from horrific discrimination from an evil White Supremacist society. Truth is a lot of those educational and occupational discrepancies can probably be directly tied into IQ. It’s not the White man’s fault. And it’s probably not the Blacks’ fault either really.
          Some Caucasoid countries are really fucked up and have low IQ’s. Afghanistan, India and Bangladesh have IQ’s of ~82. What do you expect from a place like that?
          Yes Caucasoid societies in the Arab World are war-torn at the moment, but during peacetime, they function quite well. All Black nations are usually catastrophic whether at peace or war. Europe has been embroiled in war at times also you know.
          Organized violence or war can unfold in any society. The problem with Black countries is that not only are they war-torn during war but they are also war-torn during peacetime with Unorganized Violence or street crime.

        3. QUOTE”White supremacism is inextricably tied to claims of white intellectual superiority. Why else do you think white racists endlessly obsess over the low IQ of blacks?
          Also, do you really think countries like Afghanistan, India, Bangladesh are wealthier and “vastly better” than africa? How safe are Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, Libya?”
          Exactly, I can’t see a difference.

  13. Again, the race factor is exaggerated, For instance, let’s look at India. Hinduism is totally to blame. Take a look at the untouchables. How horrible. This is situation causes one to doubt eastern religions, and in other cases, to take up atheism.
    As far as Africa goes, I wouldn’t say it’s religion. I see it simply as a by-product of westernization. Of course, when we speak of crime there, we’re mostly talking about crime against middle and upper classes in Africa, and westerners. Poor people don’t have anything other poor people want. If your black and poor, you can probably walk around in Africa without fear.

  14. QUOTE”Christianity does not really work as far as ameliorating Black inborn elevated crime proneness. Of all the religions, only Islam tampers Blacks down.”
    Islam works, cause it doesn’t allow freedom of choice. On the other hand, (or amputated hand if Islamic LOL) If you live in a Christian nation, you can choose to live a strict Christian lifestyle, or you can do without. In a typical black neighborhood, a lot of Christians exist, but they depend on the cops to enforce the law (and cops are often racist enemies of blacks). If the Black Christians, themselves, enforced the law harshly, then crime would stop. Often though, bad elements are stronger than the good people in such a neighborhood.

    1. That’s in regards to the USA. If were talking about Africa, then most crime would be directed against foreigners. You’d have to say a lot of the Africans either aren’t Christians, or have a weak form of Christianity. Anyhow, they don’t care about crime against the rich and foreigners.
      Often, in many nations, just cause people go to church don’t mean the nationalist, class envy feelings of the people have left. Therefore, they enjoy watching foreigners, and the rich get swindled and robbed, and still go to church every Sunday.
      This situation isn’t unique to Africa either. I mean look at all the racist Christians in the US, and I’m not just talking about white identity. Like the Africans, they place class envy, nationalism and whatnot, before principles like love and compassion.

      1. A problem in thinking, is that Americans don’t think they’re rich (when they visit Africa), and don’t deserve to be the victims of class envy, jealousy. However, they are rich, and even many church goers will cheer on their misfortune, with childish enthusiasm.

      2. As far as African crime directed against other poor Africans, then I blame weak Christianity. Some of them believe, many don’t, or have a weak standard of ethics. Therefore, the society is very weak on crime, compared to Islamic areas.

  15. QUOTE”“…This statement might mean something, if the environment wasn’t so bad. Look at Hollywood, and the music recording industry. Your telling me that’s not having a huge affect on blacks?”
    Of course it does.
    QUOTE”Jason Y must be Jewish because his arguments are all Jewed up. Jews for some reason continue to use the gorilla dust method of arguing anything. They throw all kinds of extraneous arguments into the mix of a basic flow of thought to cause confusion. ”
    So do white nationalists. Their arguments are highly illogical. They totally ignore obvious observations about the environment. One being that the environment (TV, ghetto, recording industry) has a extremely negative influence on people, in particular, blacks.

    1. Jason Y what is illogical with regards to the main plank of the WN position of living separately?
      This is their main argument as all else is irrelevant from a practical perspective. If you can show a flaw in this the central and most vital aspect of their position then your claim as to illogicality with regards to their position has merit.
      One important aspect of the WN position is a multicultural
      Nationalism so to speak. In other word they are for black nationalism, Muslim nationalism, etc etc but within secure borders well apart from the WN state borders.
      Can you point out the illogicality of the WN multicultural solution to the race problem?

  16. Yes we are taking in lots of people from Central America. But when they come here, they and their children will commit much less crime here than they do in Mesoamerica, so it’s not genetic. For instance, looking at homicide:
    Whites 1X
    Hispanics 3X
    Blacks 8X
    The Hispanics in the US are mostly mexicans who are on average 35% indian( and about o.35 sd higher on psychopapthy). Full blooded indians could be more crime proned then blacks.Also according to richard lynn study native americans in the us( who are on average 50% white) are 0.5 SD higher then Whites on psychopathy spectrum.For full blooded indians it would be a full SD probably .African amercians 0.4SD higher on psychopathy scale( full 0.5) .Low Q, high on psychopathic spectrum and some environment factors have a large inpact on crime.I think full blooded native americans are very crime prone ( most tribes) .In some amazone there is still selection on psychopathy with murderes having on avg.5.1 childfren and others males 1.6 on avg.

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