Roissy's Stupid PUA Site

Mr. Subservive:

Robert Stark is a real piece of work. He just got his ass handed to him by Roissy.

As if I care if Roissy, Tool of all Tools, hands anyone’s ass to anyone.
Roissy’s site is truly horrifying, and the man is a monster. He’s the biggest asshole in the known universe. Most of his commenters are orbiting him hoping to bask in the narcissistic glow he gives off. They are also trying to be an even bigger asshole than Roissy, and that’s probably not even possible. I mean not physically possible. I mean there is probably a law of physics that prevents any man from being a bigger dick than Roissy.
That Roissy is in his early 40’s (?) is particularly pathetic. No man should still be this angry and especially this mean that far into life.
By age 40, almost all humans have been kicked in the ass about a million times that they finally figured out that their shit stinks after all. Most normal levels of narcissism tend to fade around age 40.
By that I mean that it is normally for a teenage boy to be narcissistic. Many to most young men in their 20’s, especially the more successful ones, are insufferably arrogant assholes. In serious cases, the dickheadedness extends into the 30’s. Certainly there are a lot of extremely huge headed men from age 30-33 or so. I figure from age 33-40, this sort of thing slows down somewhat.
By age 40, there aren’t a whole lot of showboats anymore. Everyone’s been humbled one too many times. The only remaining narcissists after age 40 are the real hardcores, the true, pure pathological narcissists.
Roissy’s still got an ego bigger than the planet Jupiter, and he’s heading towards age 45. Massive red light. Roissy is severe narcissist. In fact, I suspect that Roissy, after reading him for years now, has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Don’t fret now. The Net is full of NPD’s. You can’t blog unless you are fairly narcissistic already anyway.
That site simply bristles with sheer meanness. The commenters are the same way. Would you actually go to a party full of cumdrunk assholes like that? Would you dare set foot in a bar full of hotheaded young fools like that? I wouldn’t. I don’t cotton much to assholes.
Roissy’s lesson from the very start has been penultimate narcissism.
Be Like Me.
Follow Roissy, Your Leader.
Imitate The Roissy God.
Bow At His Feet.
Read His Roissy-Biblical Tomes.
Breathe Deep In The Overwhelming Essence Of Sheer Roissyness.
Since Roissy is an asshole, his main lesson since he started has been teaching young men to be all the dick you can be. Be an asshole. Be like Roissy. So you have a Roissy column, a belching retch of ugliness, sadism and assholery, and then you have the comments following, where all the commenters try to see if they out-dick even Roissy. Hey! It’s an asshole contest already!
Roissy unfortunately has started to butt his nasty little head into the comments, splattering little drops of cruelty disguised as wisdom here or there. He has to pop up in the comments threads to show you he’s still alive and to frighten you. You read one of his articles, and you are aghast. “Please tell me this guy died after he wrote this!,” you think. “Please don’t tell me I have to share the planet with this Tool!”
Like those zombies in The Night of the Living Dead that can hardly be killed, he pops up like an evil little jack in the box in the comments. Each time we wince at his bile, our heart falls because humanity sinks a little bit lower with every scribble of Roissy’s.
This is a very disheartening website.
I wonder just how many older men hang out on these PUA sites? Seems like it’s mostly young testosterone addicts looking for a score from what I can tell. I would think 95% of older guys would be turned off sheer viciousness of the men on that site. As a man gets older, he’s supposed to purge himself of the angry young man bile. An angry older man is particularly sad case. He’s also a heart attack waiting to happen.
The premise of Roissy’s entire site is completely stupid. Granted, the His Dickness has granted us some bits of genius in the Alpha – Beta – Omega hierarchy, but mostly this was just telling everyone what we already knew anyway but hadn’t formulated properly. But credit where it’s due, and many geniuses (yes, Roissy is a genius) are utterly horrific human beings. Read their Wikipedia entries if you don’t believe me.
But Roissy even gets the Alpha – Beta game all messed up.
Look. This is the way it goes. Probably in any unglued society, the Alphas cannot possibly make up more than 15-20% of the males.
Let us suppose you had a society full of Roissy addicts who had all somehow managed to reach the pinnacle of Alphaness. It would not make sense. Because no society can be all Alpha Male (at least I do not think so). In Arab and Middle Eastern, Russian, Iberian, Latin American and Filipino society, sure, you have a huge % of men playing the “Alpha” game. They look and act like Alphas (especially in Arab and Middle Eastern culture).
But even here, the same 80-20 rule must apply. Suppose a hot woman, instead of being approached by one high-value (Alpha) man a day, is now being approached by five or six high-value Alpha men a day? What’s she going to do? Bang all the studs and whore it up? You kidding? The 80-20 rule, hard and fast, will continue to apply.
In a society where all of the men act like Alpha Males, females will simply pick off the top ~20%, the most Alpha of the Alphas and most Sigma of the Sigmas, relegate the rest of the regular Alphas to Beta, Delta or Gamma and toss the least Alpha of the Alphas (who are nevertheless very much Alpha men) to the Omega bin.
See how this works? In a culture where all the guys act like Omegas (some NE Asian cultures seem like this) the females will simply cream off the top 20%, the highest and most “Alpha” of the Omega Crew, and cock carousel them. The nerdiest of the nerds, the Omegas of Omegas, will get tossed back as by-catch. The vast majority of the Omegas, exhibiting normal levels of Omeganess, will be placed in the Betasphere.
The sheer insanity of Roissy’s site though, and really all of the lunatic PUAsphere (I include Roosh here too), is that the site is based on the insane premise that any man can be an Alpha/Sigma. All he has to do is try.
Nonsense! The pool of high-value men in any society will always be relegated to the top ~20% of men, the Alphas and Sigmas. There are probably no feral societies where this will not be true. It’s almost as good as the Law of Gravity.
Only 20% of us are going to win.
Only 20% of us can win.
Roissy’s site is horrifyingly cruel. They have set up a world where only 20% can win, and fully 80% most lose. These figures will never change no matter how hard anyone plays. How base can you get?
Maybe 20% of men are Alphas/Sigmas, and that number probably cannot increase no matter what. Probably ~15%? of men are tossed to the sexual round file, the sorrowful Omegas. There will probably always be ~15% Omegas no matter how hard anyone tries. And in between, 2/3 of all men, the vast majority of us living our lives of quiet desperation, jonesing for a vicarious thrill fix anywhere we can madly grab one, are doomed, nay, destined, to live the lives of the Beta Type.
60-70% of men in any society will have to fall into the Beta, Delta or Gamma categories. In any society where women roam free and undomesticated, this is how the chips will fall. The Betasphere, the Betas, Deltas and Gammas, are simply average men.
Regular men, everyday men, the guy next door, your Dad, your uncle, your brother, Gramps, your boss, your best friend from high school. Most of the males we straight men have loved most in our cut-short lives are simply ordinary Joes, fully undeserving of Roissy’s acidic spittle.
And what in God’s name is wrong with being an ordinary man among men? Precisely nothing.
Yet no personage is more reviled on Roissy’s moronic site, or Roosh’s, or any of the others, than this lowly Beta, our fathers and our sons, our brothers and our cousins, all of the men that make up our typical quotidian lives we tap out before we die – every one of these great ordinary men are treated with utter contempt on PUA sites, as if they are the lowest of contemptible worms.
This doesn’t make sense. It’s irrational in a game where 80% must lose by statistical law to hate the inevitable losers.
Someone has to win; someone has to lose.
Life goes on.
This, then, is the fatal flaw of the PUAsphere, the lunatic notion that any man can be Alpha or that all men can be Alphas, if only they would just try.
And every man on Earth can be rich, too? When everyone is a millionaire, $1 million and $1.69 would buy you a Slurpee at a 7-11.
Granted there are things to be learned from the most awful of people. And Roissy’s site is awash with what I might call ugly truths. The things about life that are so ugly and cruel and vicious, yet nevertheless so true that we cannot ignore them. On a lode-laden mountain, the ugliest, most dangerous, muddiest, most savage spring floods can bring forth some excellent nuggets worth a pretty penny.
Take what you want or need from these ugly sites, but don’t get caught up in the spite. And don’t forget to wear some face protection on PUA sites. The sheer malign hatred emanating off these sites can literally fly off the screen and pound your face. That stuff stings like acid.
One final note, that this cold-hearted sociopathic character known as Roissy has picked up the cruelest of economic philosophies, Libertarianism, should come as no surprise.
That he added a shocking and virulent form of White Nationalist racism against NAM’s to complement the generous helpings of misogyny he serves up is no shocker either.
Haters gotta hate. In mental health, one notion is that fear spreads. Someone starts out afraid of spiders, and the terror slowly spreads until they are nearly afraid of their shadow, so agoraphobic that and can barely go outside anymore. This is proven well enough to me anyway.
But if fear spreads, then it’s wicked brother Cain, hate, must spread too. People start out hating the guy who beat them at basketball, and eight years down the road, you’re got Eliot Rodger with a semi-auto mowing down blond hotties at the beach.

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29 thoughts on “Roissy's Stupid PUA Site”

  1. This was one hell of a verbal assassination on Roissy/Heartiste. A true tour de force. I stopped reading Roissy long ago. Like you said, he does present many truths and for a guy that that grew up without the red pill, he may be the shock to your system that you need to see the world for what it is. But all the same, I can’t stand the constant onslaught of racism, narcissism, right-wing bullshit, reductionism of everything to alpha/beta/omega, etc. His commenters are as vile as anything you see in YouTube comments.
    The 80/20 rule is another problem I’ve also mentioned and I’m glad you brought it up. Though at the same time, I think the importance here is that many men are are doing things unknowingly that will turn women off because we were taught that being kind and gentle to women will make them want you. We need to realize that what women say they want aloud and what actually gets their panties wet are two different things. Some men will always be born alphas and some will always be born betas/omegas. But there are a group of guys who are borderline who may can improvements if they learn to shed the overtly beta behavior. So I find use in their teachings in this regards. I don’t think you need to be an alpha male asshole douchebag to have a healthy sex life. You just have to be at least a somewhat attractive(which is subjective), confident, fun to be around guy who knows how to escalate to sex. Getting too obsessed about the mechanical ins and outs of what defines alpha/beta behavior is probably overkill.

    1. Tulio thank you very much. That site doesn’t seem like it’s good for Black folks either.
      Let’s put it this way. While 80-20, etc. rules are probably set in stone, I think most men would benefit from trying to be more “Alpha” and less “Beta,” in the truly derogatory sense that Beta is used on those sites. You can hardly be too masculine for a woman, but you sure can be too wimpy.
      Frankly, I think it is sad that women are so lame that I have to act in this way that I really don’t want to act just to get laid, but the Laws of the Universe don’t bend a lot. You either go along with the project or you inevitably lose.

      1. I just try to learn from them how to maintain a masculine frame, not be supplicating, but also be a decent person. I just don’t have any natural asshole tendencies. I feel like it’s not even in my DNA and I have no desire to be asshole, least of all for the purpose of impressing women that aren’t even worth the trouble. Trying to act like one on purpose feels like a violation of who I am as a person and I can’t really live that way.

        1. There is nothing Alpha about the weak Latín Americans Lol, did someone knew about the last popular Mexican telenovela “lo que la vida me robo” most of the freaking actors aré White with light eyes! A male who is pathetic and submissive like the mexican would allow it, tha main actress Was French and the actor from Argentina and some brown Mexicans were proud of “their”telenovela

        2. I don’t mind Roissy 🙂 though i shared his blog with 1 person, and he some days later send a pic of his dick O.o (or a dick, don’t know ) dunno if it was Roissy influence 😛

  2. By age 40, almost all humans have been kicked in the ass about a million times and now they have finally figured out that their shit stinks after all. Most normal levels of narcissism tend to fade around age 40.
    By that I mean that it is normally for a teenage boy to be narcissistic. Many to most young men in their 20’s, especially the more successful ones, are insufferably arrogant assholes. In serious cases, the dickheadedness extends into the 30’s. Certainly there are a lot of extremely huge-headed men from age 30-33 or so. I figure from age 33-40, this sort of thing slows down somewhat.
    By age 40, there aren’t a whole lot of showboats anymore. Everyone’s been humbled one too many times. The only remaining narcissists after age 40 are the real hardcores, the true, pure pathological narcissists.

    Man that sort of thinking can only come from experience. I salute you comrade 🙂

  3. And what in God’s name is wrong with being an ordinary man among men? Precisely nothing. Yet no personage is more reviled on Roissy’s moronic site, or Roosh’s, or any of the others, than this lowly Beta, our fathers and our sons, our brothers and our cousins, all of the men that make up our typical quotidian lives we tap out before we die – all of these great ordinary men are treated with utter contempt on PUA sites, as if they are the lowest of contemptible worms.
    This doesn’t make sense. It’s irrational in a game where 80% must lose by statistical law to hate the inevitable losers.
    Someone has to win; someone has to lose.
    Life goes on.
    This, then, is the fatal flaw of the PUAsphere, the lunatic notion that any man can be Alpha or that all men can be Alphas, if only they would just try.

    Another excellent post, Robert.
    I used to find value in the manosphere, and I agree with Tulio that it can teach certain valuable lessons about maintaining a masculine frame, not supplicating or backing down, and learning how to escalate. “Frame control,” whether talking to girls or dealing with certain bothersome people, can come quite in handy.
    But otherwise, it’s sheer folly to expect most men to be alphas and then castigate regular men as pathetic losers who aren’t even worthy of being called men. Just imagine if we lived in a society where every man was an alpha male. There would be constant jockeying for position and power, frequent conflict, and general chaos.
    There are a few exceptions to the rule, but during my last interview with Robert Stark, he correctly pointed out that the manosphere has an obsession with sex. Sure, they also urge men to make money, lift, travel, etc, but the end goal still seems the same.
    One of our old commenters once sent Dota and I an email saying that one of the things about the manosphere/dark enlightenment that bothered him the most was its obsession with romanticizing primordial values (ie. dominance, aggression, tribalism, going caveman, etc). He then said that societies like Afghanistan also value aggression, tribalism, and then sarcastically concluded that those are great societies to emulate.
    While humans do have animalistic tendencies and certain biological proclivities, isn’t the whole purpose of civilization to rise above our baser instincts and bring out our better angels?
    And shame on Roissy and his commenters for trashing Robert Stark. His relatively minor criticism of the PUA lifestyle in no way earned all that invective directed his way.
    All of that being said, the anti-average/beta male hatred exhibited by the manosphere is just a manifestation of American culture’s general tendency to deify wealthy, high status elites and treat average or unsuccessful people with utter contempt. Atheist Indian once remarked that the unequal sexual marketplace for men just mirrored the neoliberal economic structure of the U.S.
    When you keep all of this in mind, it’s no wonder that the U.S. has far higher rates of inequality, going postal shootings, and general tension and unhappiness compared to other 1st world Western countries.

    1. @ Robert Stark
      Yeah, their reaction was definitely ridiculous.
      One of the reasons why I’ve become disillusioned with the manosphere lately is because I feel that they’re starting to mirror the very feminists they hate. Whether it’s their own variety of esoteric buzzwords and terms, the various bickering and drama that has plagued the manosphere in the past year or so, or their increasingly rigid sense of ideological correctness (as exemplified by your banning from Roissy’s site), I feel like they’ve gone too far when it comes to embracing their sense of alienation from everyday people.
      Don’t get me wrong, our blog is certainly critical of mainstream culture and the ignorance of many people. However, at some point, there has to be a recognition that the alt right must reach out to everyday people if they are to succeed.
      I feel like the alt right in general has to avoid the trap of alienating themselves from regular people and looking down on them from the high ground of their echo chamber.

  4. Robert Stark said,”…many men who become players they lack any other sense of identity so they base their identity and self worth on their notch count.” and he is exactly correct.
    I think that your coming down too hard on Roissy Robert. Roissy doesn’t like the state of relations between Men and Women at all. I’ve read many post where, even through his cold exterior, you can see he is hurt by the behavior of modern Women and the behavior that is expected to get close to them.
    The whole notch count is because in today’s modern marriage Men have no power. Getting married is a bad deal for Men. Yet men want to get married and have children. It’s a sore situation all around. Before no fault divorce your average beta had a much better chance of getting married and staying married. Today with no fault divorce and the collapse of any moral restraint on Women’s behavior it’s dog eat dog out there. I think Roissy’s attack on betas is not so much hatred of them as a way to get them in gear towards the new reality. Much as the Marine corp drill Sergent calls Men pussys to shame them into stronger performance.

  5. Here’s a classic example of why men don’t need to be “Alpha”, “young”, “good-looking”, “earn lots of money” or “be a playa'” in order to score. Meet Britain’s most feckless father, a man still fighting fit at 64, who has been unemployed for over 20 years and looks like an absolute loser. Who would think seeing that face that he’s been able to produce 26 children out of 15 women. Some of them still toddlers proving grand-daddy is still scoring hot chicks half his age.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2664572/Its-just-unfortunate-women-fallen-pregnant-Meet-Britains-feckless-father-26-children-15-women-cost-taxpayer-500-000.html
    Stories like this men’s abound everywhere (although this is an example taken to its logical extreme) which directly fly in the face of the PUA scene.
    Me personally wouldn’t have kids for the huge cost of having to raise them and they suck the life out of you. But it seems some men thrive on being “daddies” all the time. Almost all women, young and old, are attracted to men with “daddy material” – that’s what they crave.

    1. This doesn’t disprove game however. Here you have someone who lives off the system, is old, fat and yet can still pull women half his age. He obviously has to have something going for him to be able to do this. It could be supreme arrogance combined with complete indifference towards others. Maybe he has the Dark Triad personality. I really don’t think his success can be explained without using some concepts of game (even if he is entirely unaware of them.

      1. Its called low standards, game is about picking up the highest sexual value partner, not the most number of fertile partners impregnated. Those are two completely different goals. The winner there is the guy who works at the sperm bank or the clinic which does the insemination. I read that some guy fathered over 600 children this way.

  6. The 80/20 rule (which is really 20% male alphas mating with 60% females, 20% male betas mating with 20% of females, and nobody else producing offspring) exists in chimpanzees, and it exists in Human prehistory according to DNA analysis.
    So beta isn’t hopeless, it just isn’t the place to be if you have a better option. Observational study of what is alpha and what is beta seems to be a worthy use of a man’s time: enhancing our fitness is our genetic prerogative.
    The 80/20 mating pattern is caused by male polyamory and female hypergamy and it and the problems caused by it were defeated/conquered by a the human inventions of marriage & Religion (collectively: civilization). marriage took men off the market, enabling opportunities for other men, and religion is the stories told to alphas and women to get them to accept the restrictions of their dating options.
    The whole point of reading Roissy is not the ‘amoral’ lifestyle sometimes described, he is just sharing observations and studies of what IS rather than what ought to be.
    Instead, the real takeaway is how fragile civilization really is, and how redefinitions of marriage (which means something very different today than in, say, it did during the Roman Republic) and watering down of religion are causing decay everywhere else in society.

  7. You’re forgetting that Roissy doesn’t actually have to do this. He could have lived a quiet life, ruining other men’s women, keeping the ins and outs of Game to himself, and hiding the unashamed cruelty (99% of which you speak is precisely the general female attitude toward betas and other average guys, not Roissy’s attitude specifically, as he would fully agree with you on how unmanageable an all-alpha society would be.) But a society full of confident men, 80-20 “rule” or not, is still better in a thousand ways than a society full of manboobed losers, just as a society full of beautiful women is better than a society full of fat, ugly women. If you want the former more than you want social peace in the present age, out come the shivs. Not too difficult to understand.
    “By age 40, there aren’t a whole lot of showboats anymore. Everyone’s been humbled one too many times.”
    Unless you’re so swole/handsome/beautiful/powerful/intimidating/Obama (or alternatively, none of the men in the society are confident enough to humble you) that you pretty much have to break taboos to get any negative response out of people.

  8. Instead of bleating about how much of an asshole Roissy is (ignore his commentariat, they’re mostly children and losers), acknowledge the fact that websites like Roissy’s are a reaction to our modern, feminized society. When you understand the rage that creates that reaction, then start thinking about how to address the situation. The perpetual pseudo-alphaness isn’t a solution, of course; but what’s yours? Or do you think that modern society, with its rampant immorality, horrible female bias and lack of decent standards, is just hunky-dory?
    I’ve long thought that when men regarded the war between the sexes as being hopelessly one-sided, they’d just withdraw. And they have: barely a day goes past without someone bemoaning the decline of marriage and falling birthrates. Basically all this alpha-beta-gamma-omega nonsense (i.e. Roissy’s site and the manosphere in general) is a symptom, not an illness. And women, to their everlasting shame, have helped both create and perpetuate it.
    Thank God I’m past the age of having to deal with this, being both married and the father of grown children. I’m just a spectator, and glad to be so.

  9. Remember, on the Internet we can be anyone we want to be. Roissy can paint a picture of how many chicks he bangs (because it is cool to bang as many chicks as possible…They are all sluts, right? I used to go to the manosphere to get a little insight into the male psyche, understand their fears and see their scars…I used to visit to try to understand where they are coming from. But I was overwhelmed by such hatred and disrespect for all women. “AWALT” Just as bad as feminist sites that mostly claim all males are rapists or useless, the PUA and Game sites mostly claim that women are useless or whores.
    Yes, fellas, if you are a gamer and try to go to the hotspots for day game or club game or easy game, you will indeed find nothing but whores. Then you can keep feeding that hypothesis that all women are whores…Anecdote after anecdote to prove these bloggers’ hypothesis.
    Thanks for this post!
    It makes me more certain that “NAMALT”
    🙂

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