Types in the Manosphere Part 1

From a comment on a very interesting blog called Gunlord. I like this guy a lot. He’s basically a MGTOW type (perfectly happy being a total bachelor, not really wild about women anyway), but he doesn’t like to talk about it, doesn’t hang out on the MGTOW forums, and thinks the whole movement is stupid.

Some of his ideas I seriously don’t agree with, but others make a lot of sense.

From the comments page:

You have the standard male supremacists who want women back in the kitchen, the MGTOWs who think women in the kitchen are “parasites,” the transhumanists who think some combination of artificial wombs, sexbots, and buttsex will liberate men from women, the “Human Bio-Diversity” enthusiasts who are called “white knight nationalists” by everyone else, the Christians who want to establish a theocracy, the atheists who think religion is a sneaky plot by women to enslave men, the Aspies who think even men without autism are just “women lite,” and so on and so forth…

In this post, I will go over the male supremacists, the MGTOW’s, transhumanists, Christians, atheists and HBD’ers.

Male supremacists: Very common on the Manosphere. They want to go back to the old days, which means, I dunno, before 1920. Take away all women’s rights because females are too crazy and emo to deserve them anyway. I never could get down with these guys. I’ve long been an equity feminist, and at one point I was actually a member of NOW (The National Organization for Women). This is so retrograde and reactionary that it’s simply bizarre.

MGTOW’s: These are a light version of female separatists, but they are not a corollary of lesbian separatists. They are into living the bachelor life and putting off marriage for as long as possible. They have a very dim view of women to say the least and advocate replacing them with dolls, fleshlights, porn, masturbation, and if you must, prostitutes.

They wish to avoid relationships with women and even advocate not dating them. They think men should even limit their friendships with women. In other words, they think women are a plague to be avoided at all costs.

They have a somewhat rocky relationship with the rest of the Manosphere, especially the PUA types who MGTOW’s call “pussy beggars.” In return, the PUA’s refer to MGTOW’s as “Omega losers.” Politically, MGTOW’s are almost all Libertarians.

They have a very open view of what is available to men lifestyle-wise: live at home, live with roommates, move around the country, take off and go live in foreign countries, change careers, make as much or as little money as you like, and especially, quit caring about what society demands of you and start embracing nonconformism. Do it your own way, and don’t let women, kids, or society get in the way! Guys, do whatever the Hell you want and quit caring what anyone thinks about your choices!

There are supposedly a few MGTOW’s who are married or in relationships, but I have not met them.

I like these guys in a way. I like their open-ended view of the possibilities for males. They don’t care if an adult male lives at home! Wow. Face it, societal demands and restrictions trap a lot of men into this or that job, location, or lifestyle. When you have a wife and kids to support, you can’t exactly be a free-spirited vagabond.

I also love that they are reclaiming bachelorhood. Yay! For too long bachelorhood has been seen as a bizarre pathology, and at some point, all men are required to marry and hopefully have kids. At my age, it’s not that I need to get married but more that it’s seen as way weird that I never got married even once. If I would have tied the knot for a year, I would be in much better shape.

Bachelors are seen as possible homosexuals, incel losers, antisocial loners, or out and out bizarre and possibly/probably dangerous weirdos. In other words, if you never got married, well, obviously it is because something is wrong with you. At some point in your bachelor life, you will reach a point where pretty much all society is rejecting you, and it does not feel good.

I am not down with the living without women and avoiding sex out of preference, as I have never been that way. Sure, there have been periods with no girlfriend in my life, maybe even years, and there have been periods of incel living ranging from months to a year or possibly more. I never cared about marriage as long as there was one or more women in life and hopefully I was getting some sex. As long as I have women and sex somewhere floating about my life, even on the horizon, I am happy as a clam and see no need or reason to marry.

I don’t regard women as parasites to be avoided at all costs. I’d just as spend most of my socializing with women and blow men off. Why would I prefer to be around women all the time? Because I like to live dangerously!

Anti-woman Transhumanists: Ok, this is insane. These are the male version of lesbian separatists. Replace sex with women with sexbots and mix in a lot of fagging off with other guys while you’re at it. For babies, we will grow them in artificial wombs. No need for women and those yucky ovaries. I have no idea what their politics are like. Sorry, this is way too weird for me. Politics? No idea! Sounds Libertarian though.

HBD’ers: I had no idea they were part of the Manosphere. Apparently they are a very wussy part of the Manosphere because they spend most of their time white-knighting. These guys don’t care about women or men. All they care about is genes, IQ tests, and eugenics. They love those wonderful White and Asian races, and they have nothing but utter contempt for those disgusting, inferior Black and Brown races. Politics is conservative to Libertarian. Many are strong supporters of the Republican Party and spend much of their time Democrat-bashing.

Christians: Supposedly want to establish a theocracy. I haven’t heard of any of these sites. There is one good Christian Manosphere blog by a guy named Dalrock who isn’t even a misogynist. Extreme hypergamy is even effecting these hardcore Protestant fundamentalists! Politics is probably Republican Party.

Atheists: They supposedly blame women for the plague called religion and think women set up religion as a plot to enslave men. That’s pretty crazy, and thankfully I have never been to such a site. Politics? No idea.

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16 thoughts on “Types in the Manosphere Part 1”

  1. RL: Why would I prefer to be around women all the time? Because I like to live dangerously!

    Carpe Diem !

  2. Atheist.

    I don’t blame women for “creating” religion…for one thing, they didn’t invent it. They lack the intellectual ardor and curiosity to invent such a thing.

    However, once established, Christianity has evolved to turn men into wusses. Say what you will about Islam, but it keeps everyone in their place.

    1. Say what you will about Islam, it keeps everyone in their place.

      This has little to do with religion but more to do with culture and economics. This is the result of living in an affluent society with abundant resources. The intrusive nanny state in North America has usurped the masculine role of providing for women via affirmative action, bogus family laws that amount to robbery, etc. The real reason why feminism has made little progress in the Third World is due to the scarcity of resources.

      1. But the very point I’m making about Islam is that it has maintained the stranglehold over its societies to the point where Islam is culture.

        It has everything to do with Islam. There are certainly many 3rd World Christian nations, but I don’t see inhabitants falling prey to a modern-day Christian rendition of the Dark Ages.

        In the West, Christianity is just…a religion where it’s main contributions to modern society are old mindless rituals and commercialized holidays.

        BTW, to go back to one of your points – there is nothing more awkward than watching 1st World feminists trying to inflict their entitled world views on a bunch of poor, dark, indifferent women from a country that can put a roof over these women’s heads lol.

        1. But the very point I’m making about Islam is that it has maintained the stranglehold over its societies to the point where Islam is culture.

          This is not really true and Islam varies from region to region. The Hinduized superstitious and ritualistic Islam that is practiced in India is very different from the Islam practiced in the Middle East and Southeast Asia. I’ve never seen a non-Indian Muslim wear the taaviz amulet (supposed to protect against the evil eye).

          It has everything to do with Islam.

          Not really. Consider that a large number of honor killings in India are committed by Hindus, and that certain Hindu communities (the Rajputs especially) practice the same oppressive gender segregation that is commonly associated with Middle Eastern Islam. The resilience of culture determines the resistance it is able to mount against internationalist ideologies like feminism.

          There is nothing more awkward than watching 1st World feminists trying to inflict their entitled worldviews on a bunch of poor, dark, indifferent women from a country that can barely house them lol.

          It would be laughable if it weren’t so contemptible. I wrote an article about Feminism and internationalism here if you’re interested.

  3. I guess I’d be a MGTOW, but I honestly don’t take part in the Manophere or read their blogs. I’ve dropped out of the dating game, and I’m not interested in sex. I’m not asexual, but I consider sex to be too much of a hassle.

    I don’t read Manosphere sites because I’m sick of talking and hearing about women all the time, I have interests and hobbies that don’t involve them, and I’m happy that way. I have no interest in sexism politically. I’m for equal rights, equal pay etc.

    Y’know, I don’t think the transhumanists are crazy. I honestly think sex is kind of gross anyway, basically rubbing the organs we use to pee with against each other grosses me out.

    I’d probably be happy to do away with gender, genetically engineer humans and inject boys with oxytocin and prolactin (the mothering hormones) and inject girls with male growth hormones so we get the best of both worlds in one gender: this is more fantastical thinking on my part however and would never be a popular idea…

    Robert, I starting reading your blog a while ago since it was one of the few intelligent Leftist sites without PC BS. I don’t get why so many Manosphere types are Libertarians. I’m an ardent socialist personally, and supporting egalitarianism makes one a feminist by default but “feminism” today basically means being happy for the 1% of women who break through the glass ceiling and join the ranks of the bourgeoisie.

    The old German communists called these bourgeois feminists “women’s rightsers.” There are plenty of good critiques of feminism and “patriarchy” from a leftist PoV, but you won’t read them on any Manosphere site…

    1. The Left alienated a lot of potential support among the working class when it became a Cultural Left. The social engineering that the Cultural Left demands and which is acquiesced by mainstream liberals has some seriously unjust consequences for working class males who are the milieu of the Manosphere. It makes Right-Libertarianism attractive for single issue types not thinking about the whole picture.

      1. The whole thing has been the biggest disaster. It’s done nothing but feed the Right and give us 35 years of rightwing policy in the US.

        Good job fools!

        I am not happy with the Cultural Left at all. For one thing, upper-class American women, upper middle-class homosexuals in Frisco, and odd-body transgender types working in a managerial jobs are not exactly oppressed compared to say the poor of India, Colombia, Haiti, Honduras, Peru, or the Philippines.

  4. You don’t look deep enough. The Manosphere links back to the ‘neo-reactionary’ movement, which is mostly populated by sophisticated Catholic fascists. All of these are Manosphere types too in that they love the patriarchy.

  5. Male supremacists: I’m for this in theory but pretty soft in practice. I have a great cool Mom, and she’s not like the traditional housewife at all.

    MGTOW’s: Pathetic but perhaps the future of young men. Many young guys are just avoiding any dating drama. I’m a nerd in a lot of ways, so I get along with these guys. I used to avoid things that seemed a detriment to getting laid, but with age I eventually gave in to my inner nerd.

    Transhumanist men: I agree, transhumanists are insane. One guy was complaining women were too pro-tranny. Then he started talking about men getting artificial wombs. Woah, I thought that was the tranny dream. I guess there’s some logic there. A lot of gals might push trannyism on their kids.

    HBD guys: I think like an HBDer when I look at animals such as prairie dogs. I also want to understand race. Many in the Manosphere seemed to understand race. This is probably essential for gaming women. I’ve turned on the white-knights in the pro-White sphere. I believe they’ll be even deliberately be wrong just to appease women.

    Religious men: Perhaps religion should be left more to women as in olden times. I believe women are better at matters of the spirit.

    Men are better at logic. I think men benefit more from more logical activities.

    I went to church recently and I thought many of the men there should go to the gym instead of pussying around like nuns. I used to talk to Jesus every night. It was a waste of time IMO. I’m not advocating men abandon religion, but they should treat it like a drug; i.e. don’t get lost in it. I’m not impressed with male cheerleaders waiting for magical events to unfold from above. Instead they should use their faith as a tool as Robert E. Lee did.

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