Is Dravidian Related to Japanese?

Thirdeye writes:

The Tamil-Japonic connection isn’t quite as off the wall as one might think at first glance. There’s apparently a strong Andaman-Indonesian language connection. The convention of repeat plurals seems to have found its way to Japan. There’s also some similarity between the Finno-Ugric languages, which are Uralic outliers in a sea of Indo-European languages, and Dravidian languages that have a remnant in Pakistan. Contact between proto-Dravidian-Uralic and Altaic languages is a real possibility.

If Uralic is close to anything, it is close to Altaic and Indo-European and probably even closer to Chukto-Kamchatkan, Eskimo-Aleut, Yukaghir and Nivkhi. Yukaghir may actually be Uralic itself, or maybe the family is called “Uralic-Yukaghir.” There is no connection between Austronesian (Indonesian) and the Andaman Islanders. Austronesian is indeed related to Thai though (Austro-Tai); in my opinion, this has been proven. If the Andaman languages are related to anything at all, they may be related to some Papuan languages and an isolate in Nepal called Nihali. A good case can be made connecting Nihali with some of the Papuan languages. Typology is not that great of way to classify. Typology is areal and it spreads via convergence. What you are looking in search genetic relationship among languages more more than anything else is morphology. After that, a nice set of cognates. There is probably no connection between Dravidian and Uralic in particular. Dravidian is outside of most everything in Eurasia. It if is close to anything, it might be close to Afro-Asiatic. There also looks to be a connection with Elamite. Dravidian and Afro-Asiatic are probably older than the rest of the Eurasian languages, and they were located further to the south. Afro-Asiatic is very old, probably ~15,000 YBP.

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39 thoughts on “Is Dravidian Related to Japanese?”

  1. Fascinating. Can you reccomend any books written at a popular level (say, the equivalent of Carl Sagan or Richard Dawkins) that discuss this stuff?

  2. Doesn’t Thai have some influence from Pali scripture? I’ve been told that Buddhism heavily influenced their language and Pali made its way into their language.

  3. It is speculated that the Uralic (Finnish) language family is related to the Altaic (Turko-Mongolic) [17]. As mentioned previously, the relationship between Japonic and Altaic is accepted in some scholarly sections [1]. Dravidian, on the other hand, is also suspected to be related to Uralic and Altaic languages [18]. This leads me to speculate that there may have indeed been a proto Uralic-Altaic-Japonic-Dravidian language widespread across Europe and Asia. The rapid spread of the Indo-European language family, and culture (perhaps coinciding with the domestication of the horse in the steppes of Central Asia, a potential homeland of proto-Indo-European) led to these other languages losing ground and being completely replaced in large swathes of Europe and Asia. Isolated from each other, these languages gradually evolved independently into their current form.
    An alternate possibility, and one that might very well be true for the cultural similarities, is that Japanese and Dravidian peoples interacted sometime before recorded history, although the exact mechanism of these interactions remains to be determined.
    This exploratory expedition has just set sail. There is much to be discovered, and discussed, much room for debate and well-reasoned skepticism. I hope you have enjoyed the journey thus far, and will continue to travel with me, to the final destination “wherever the trail of truth may lead

  4. The filthy chinks are not indian. Look our how advanced our bharat is and look at them chinks. We invented the concept of zero, the helicopter, the irrigation canal, the atom bomb, the wheel, the agriculture, and the Bollywood. Asian invents NOTHING NEVER NO NEVER NOT!!!!!!!! They always COPY FORCE GET IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!! We have the worlds biggest economy and rapidly growing to innovate the invention in computer science and STEM in Silicon Valley, with h1b visa our Indian revolutionatizing with the immigrants working for IBM and Microsoft. Microsoft CEO is Indian and richer than Bill Gates LOOK GOOGLE IT!!!!!!!!!!!! We have worlsd most advanced continential plate in this universe and nobody can remotely compete with us, Dravidian, aryan, etc we are all one people and religion. Death to all Japanese who live in a backwards, samurai feudal, fascist, crony capitalist, tsunamied, impoverished, copycat, chink, overpopulated island country with volcano and thunderstorm Amaterasu worshipping scumfaggots. Corruption is rampant in japan, and they eat cats and dogs and rats and anything else they can get there hands on. Also they desperately want to be white man, but only indian can be pureblood white man because indian is PUREBLOOD ARYAN-DRAVIDIAN CONTINUUM SPECTRUM. Even Hitler used our swatiziska as his holy simbol he boewed to us and worshipped us in the process.

    1. Its one thing to remain silent and appear stupid. Its another to post this garbage and remove all doubt. Nothing in this post from jap hater is close.

    2. We all know Dravidians aren’t related to Japanese people, but seriously though, would you rather live in India or Japan, and be honest.

  5. Only Indian is true white man. Faggots lkike this bobby lindsey is a scum.
    Look at your precious Japanese now. They are dying nation with no natural resources, and they eat shit in 2 girls 1 cup. India

    1. My dear bob,
      Pls don’t ban those hinduwadi crackpots who claim to be ‘true whites’. They confirm their, your and my view on their deep inferiority complex in no better words. To solve their agony, scientists should quicken the research on better skin bleaching method. Live and let live. BTW, Mongolia has only about 2 million people,chances are, most of the mongol claimants are phoney

  6. Japanese originated in the central and southern part of the Korean península with the so called Yayoi people, the Silla Kingdom defeated and eliminated the last traces of Japonic speakers in the península.

    1. Thx for this. This is great. I knew that the Japanese originated from Korea. Clearly, the Japanese and Korean languages must be linked, but mainstream linguistics does not support that view.

  7. Lol is that No Japanese a Hindutva or just a Pakistani troll. Lol its hard to tell these days 🙂 India may have had some strong ancient history, but modern India is riddled with social, political and environmental problems. So fix that before you attack the Japanese, Chinese or Koreans.

    1. Pls dont judge all Indians by the reply of one deranged idiot. We all have them. Majority of Indians admire and love Japanese people.

  8. I’m with you on the Austronesian connection being out. Japonic was established in Japan before the spread of Austronesian languages out of Taiwan and Tamil influence on Austronesian doesn’t extend beyond the Andaman.
    We don’t really know the geographic origin of the Dravidian language group, we just know that it’s old. Its current range is the result of being squeezed by the Indo-Aryan languages. How far north did it, or a proto-Dravidian language group go? Did a proto-Dravidian/Uralic group branch off from proto-Altaic? We don’t really know for sure what the Altaic group is. Turkic and Mongolic languages are accepted as Altaic, while the status of Japonic is questioned.

    1. Really, nothing is accepted as Altaic, but the concept of Altaic is not yet accepted. But most Altaicists would accept Tungusic, Turkic, Mongolic, Japanese and Korean as Altaic I would think. Or at the very least Tungusic, Turkic and Mongolic. Japanese and Korean are a bit more controversial.
      The anti-Altaicists really make no sense at all IMHO, but theirs is the standard view at the moment.

      1. I totally agree. Korean and Japanese are controversial, but Turkic and Tungusic are more suitable to fall under Altaic language. Hey Robert, could you do an article on the Cyrus Cylinder or Linear B. Kind of curious about those two.

        1. Thats impossible. If korean culture influenced by CHINESE, Then Korean act like animal black filthy niggers. Korean act like Honorary White man, is influenced by noble people.
          Chinese act like dirty niggers.

    1. U guess not. I am not sure if you understand, but if you go back further than 2,500 YBP, most humans simply did not get on boats at all to go on any voyages in the ocean.

      1. Also when u said Koreans came from MOngolia, I dont really think so. Ive seen real-life Mongols and they look far more masculine and larger size than most KOreans. Plus their faces are different.

        1. Korean faces often have a lot of Mongolian features – long, with a heavier jaw line than most Chinese or Japanese, high cheekbones, deep epicanthal fold, upward rake to the outer corners of the eyes.

        2. LOL Nazol, Japanese and Mongolians are related to Northern Han? I am Mongolian, and let me tell you that everyone I met from China when I lived there was complete TRASH. Korea and Japan are both first world countries, and the only non-White first worlds in existence (Taiwan and Hong Kong maybe.) I lived in Korea for 10 years and I currently have Japanese citizenship and am in the United States on a H-1B visa for computer programming. Koreans and Japanese are very kind, noble, mannerful, elegant people that act like White people in manner and class. Quiet, polite, mindful, subservient to fellow man, etc. The Chineses act like fucking the black niggers and smell like wonton fish AIDS soup fry compost. They all look ugly and disgusting, and act horrible with no manners. Savages all of them.

        3. also to add that if I ever see a chinaman i beat him up. I already went into china resturant and sucker punch owners in face.

        4. “Ive seen real-life Mongols and they look far more masculine and larger size than most KOreans”—Bull shit
          Either the mongols u had seen weren’t representative of the mongol popn or just ill formulated stereotyping. Mongols are definitely shorter than the other mongoloid Asians like Korean,chinese. Mongol right now is a poorly fed, destitute and lingually destroyed country(They were forced by the Russian to abandon their native script and use the Russian alfabets)

        5. Um……NO. Us Mongolian way more masculine than CHINESE. The whole world hate CHINESE. Chinese have ZERO Caucasion/White blood in them, mongolian have LOT White Aryan blood in them. We are superior to CHINESE.

      2. We shouldn’t underestimate the maritime skills of Paleolithic or Neolithic peoples. Deep sea fishing was practiced in Indonesia around 40 Ka (!). The first migration to North America (>10 Ka) was waterborne. Western North America was settled while the Beringia land route was still blocked by ice. The Austronesian settlement of Taiwan (ca 8 Ka) and subsequent migrations were also waterborne.

  9. “Fuck the dirty Han” calm down man. The Chinese are light years ahead of Mongolians, who are well versed only in the art of destruction and rape. Chinese people come off as uncivilized, because they come from a socio-economic class that isn’t that great.

      1. More proof that the H-1B visas are fostering social rot.
        I think it’s time to ban this fool and let him take his case to the UN.

        1. Wait Thirdeye, are you refering to me or “Fuck the Han” ? Because I think he’s crossed the line. If it were Blacks or Hispanics it would be excusable. But Chinese?? Come on.

      2. You do know that white people aren’t Aryans right? The Aryan gene is the r1a strand that originated in southwestern Pakistan extending into Iran, Sanskrit is the oldest of the Indo European language family, the Swastika is a Vedic symbol that Hitler stole.

        1. another right is …………..only Northwestern Indian(Kashmir to Gujarat) are true Aryans like me ,i have long nose ,blue eyes my lips is very Thinly.
          i’m not white but I’m not black ,Arabs .Pakistani or any other race.
          Who saying paki as Aryan?
          Pakistan are Arabs ,not Indian.
          Muslims never be Aryan. fixed

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