Steve says, speaking of Incels:
They should just use a dating site and go on dates, avoid the whole difficulty of getting her number and making something happen from nothing, and then from there they should be okay.
You’re going to have to get her number on the dating site too. At various times in the last 8 years, I have joined some Internet dating sites. Here is a rundown on my experience. Not so easy to get dates on dating sites. You can do it, but you need to have some pretty good game. If you don’t have good game, I am not sure how much luck you would have on dating sites. Usually on dating sites you have to be extremely aggressive and aggressively contact lots of women – you might have to contact 100-200 cuties to get even one strong possibility of a date. Out 100-200, really only a handful will even respond to you. And of those, some say call me, here’s my #, and then you call and no one is there. Others ask you to chat, and then you go to chat with them, and they won’t talk – this happens a lot! And also once you start talking to some chicks, you will turn some of them off some way or other. Some will give you their number to text them, then you text them for a bit, and the conversation goes wrong somehow, or she decides there is something she does not like about you. With others you play phone tag for a bit, or they never even give you their number, and all you do is chat on the site. If your game is good, you might have a good connect with a few of them, but even there, at my age, women are looking for a long term relationship, a life partner or to get married. The numbers of women who just want to date around no strings attached and have fun do not seem to be large at all. If you are not into a long-term thing, your only hope is to be a dog and lie to the women seeking long-term deals and make up a big story about how you are looking for an LTR yourself. If you come out and say you just want casual dating, you will probably just get mass rejection. Your best luck will be women who approach you on dating sites, but unless you have good game on your profile somehow, probably hardly any will approach you instead of you approaching them. I do have some women approaching me, but then I have good game. On many sites, the males extremely outnumber the females. On Adultfriender, there are 10 males for every female, and of the females on there, 50 Most of the good-looking women in any age bracket are in extreme demand, and they are totally bombarded with guys after them. I met a 60 year old woman on one site who had been bombarded with 200-300 guys in a few days after she joined the site. Out of that group, she did pick me to talk to, but then the conversation went south. The hot women on most sites are seriously bombarded, and you are going to have to stand out from the Mob somehow to get picked, and the odds do not look good. I guess if you lower your standards, you can do ok, but I only like good-looking chicks. The amount of rejection you experience on dating sites is absolutely incredible. Guys like me are maniacs and we keep plugging away after the 200th rejection, but probably a lot of guys are more sensitive and can’t handle it. Dating sites are not a paradise by any means at all. If you think this website is valuable to you, please consider a contribution to support the continuation of the site.