Bigfoot News October 2, 2013

Dr. Melba Ketchum and Adrian Erickson dual release Ketchum’s DNA paper and Erickson’s video at a press conference! It was covered on local news in Dallas and other places and and on an ABC news blog. It was also covered on Fox News.
A 3-minute news video of the press conference including shots from Erickson’s footage, is available at some of the links above. You can also see it on Scott Carpenter’s superb blog here.
The press conference is being ripped to shreds all over the Bigfoot community, but I do not think this is valid. Also there is a lot of commentary about whether or not the photo of Matilda was someone wearing a Chewbacca mask. I have no idea if that is a Chewie mask or not. One thing is for sure, the Erickson Project, including Adrian, Dennis Pfohl and Dr. Leila Hadj-Chikh, are not hoaxers. They did not hoax anything in the course of the project.
However, my understanding that is that the “Chewie” videos were taken by the wife of the husband and wife team that owned the property and were not taken by the Erickson team.
You can see some good night footage of a Bigfoot walking in the woods on the news clips, and in my opinion, that clip is excellent, and it is a real Bigfoot. Look closely at how it walks exactly like Patty in the Patterson film. That must have been taken by the Erickson team, probably by Pfohl. There were no trespassers on that property ever as it is well fenced. Furthermore, in the night footage, the trespasser would have had to have been walking in a very thick and deep woods in the middle of the night with no flashlight!
There is other footage, taken in the daytime, of a large adult Bigfoot slowly moving through the woods. That is also excellent footage, and I think that is a real Bigfoot. That also must have been taken by Dennis. If it was taken by the EP, then that is a real Bigfoot for certain. If it was a hoax, someone would have had to have put on a Bigfoot suit and walked around that property day and night hoaxing Pfohl and the rest of the team. The EP doesn’t hoax, and no one was hoaxing them on that property.
Kentucky project researcher was within arm’s reach of a Bigfoot! On the Kentucky project, at at least one point, one of the people working on the Erickson Project ended up within arm’s length of one of the large adult Bigfoots. He was so close to it that he could have reached out and touched it. Unfortunately, I am not allowed to reveal more about this incident.
Dr. John Bindernagel saw a Bigfoot at the Kentucky property. I believe he saw it in the daytime. Bindernagel says he either saw a Bigfoot or a human running around in a Bigfoot costume. There were no trespassers on the property ever, and there were certainly never any trespassers running around the property with Bigfoot suits on. Obviously, Bindernagel saw a real Bigfoot.
Truly unfortunate coverage of the Erickson Project conference around the Web. Of course it is to be expected that the execrable Sharon Hill of Doubtful News would trash it to Kingdom Come. However, our own Bigfoot blogs have also been tearing it to pieces.
Are Erickson and Ketchum enemies? I have reported in the past that these two were fighting for quite some time. The nature of that warfare is old hat by now and is not particularly interesting anymore. However, reports on Facebook groups are saying that the two hate each other and that Erickson acts like he is not too happy to be sitting next to Ketchum by looking at his body language. I agree that his body language looks uncomfortable, but I doubt it is because he was seated next to Ketchum, who he no doubt elected to sit next to.
My understanding is that Ketchum and Erickson have somehow made up and at the moment, they get along with each other one some sort of level. I can tell you for sure though why Erickson was uncomfortable at the conference – he didn’t want to be there in the first place. I have been reporting for some time now that Adrian is sick and tired of all things Bigfoot, and that opinion is ongoing. Erickson looks uncomfortable because he is sick and tired of everything related to Bigfoot and wishes it would all just go away. Bit late in the day for that.
Many hits coming in to the site from the ABC news blog story. Apparently from a link via the comments to the post, but with 5,000 comments, I was unable to find the one that was linking to me.
Contentious Rhettman Mullis quote appears on Facebook. In Dr. Matthew Johnson’s Bigfoot Facebook group, the following post appeared on September 13, 2013:

Was at Dr. Johnson’s dinner last Friday. Rhettman Mullis spoke about the Sykes study. Said the DNA study is on track for, I believe, a March announcement. Warned us to ignore any and all speculation until then. The legal gag order everyone involved is under is draconian. Anyone leaking would essentially kill the project. So ignore anything that doesn’t come from Sykes himself. Unlike · 1 · 6 hours ago Sep 13 From Team Sasquatch USA September 13 Dr Johnson’s site.

A friend of mine notified me about it and I wrote it up on the site. However, Mullis became very angry with me and ordered me to take down the libelous post. Soon after I published this Facebook post above, it was removed from Johnson’s group, followed by a bizarre tirade by Johnson accusing me of making the whole thing up. I didn’t make the whole thing up. It was a post on his group.
Mullis insists that he never said such a thing. Fair enough.
The following are the possibilities of what occurred.

  1. Mullis said the study will be delayed, but caught huge heat when his comment was reported and he was ordered to shut me up and deny he made the statement. In my opinion, Mullis, like many top Bigfooters, does lie sometimes. Specifically, he engages in “denial-lying,” which many in the community do. Someone will report something and then the denial liars will angrily insist that they never said such a thing or the thing that was reported is not true.
  2. Mullis never made the statement. Well then why did someone who was obviously at the dinner say he did?

At the moment, there is no good hard evidence that Sykes study release will be delayed until March. Someone said Mullis said it would be delayed, but Mullis denies making the statement. Prior reports said that the Sykes study will be released in mid-October.
We do not know when the Sykes study will be released. However, looking at how Erickson and Ketchum rushed into their press conference on October 1, 2013, one would assume that they knew Sykes was going to publish soon and were trying to beat him to the punch. A good guess is that the October 15 publish date is still on.
Interesting Scott Carpenter report on the contentious Justin Smeja Sierra Kills case. Scott has an interesting take on Justin’s Sierra Kills story. It rings true with many people, possibly even including me.
Timbergiant video gets cheers. I talked a very good friend of mine who is an expert on Bigfoots (he works at the Smithsonian on the displays) and asked him about the Timbergiant video. He was raving about it. He said, “That is definitely a Sasquatch.” I asked him why and said because of the way the hair was laying, the texture of the hair. He is able to identify these things simply by the way that their hair looks, and he is a total expert on animal hair as per his job. I agree with him, and I think that Timbergiant  really did shoot a real Bigfoot in this video.
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Sasquatch Ontario videos get kudos. This same fellow from the Smithsonian also gave raves to Sasquatch Ontario’s videos. Lately the Bigfoot community at large has generally rejected his videos as hoaxes. However, my friend said he did not think the fellow was hoaxing. I asked him why and he pointed to the Bigfoot hand print that SO found. He said, “That is exactly how a Bigfoot hand print looks. I can’t see how he faked that.” He even liked the much-derided vocalizations.
I told him about the gifts that SO claimed that the Bigfoot gave him, including a tiny intricately weaved object made out of reeds. My friend said, “Well you know, Albert Ostman was the first to report that Sasquatches weave. Remember that they wove the beds that they lay on.” This is correct. The Bigfoots in the Ostman story did indeed weave their own beds. I agree with my friend, and I doubt that this fellow is hoaxing, though he is a subject of much ridicule in the community.
All of his videos can be seen on his channel here.
First report on Hank’s penis! Hank is the Bigfoot that Rick Dyer probably shot and killed in San Antonio, Texas, on September 6, 2012. There have been many descriptions of Hank’s body, but we have not yet had any descriptions of Hank’s penis. I have received many mails from female and gay male Bigfooters telling me that they were dying for this lurid information. I recently spoke to two persons who have seen the body, and they both gave identical descriptions of Hank’s penis. Here it is:

Hank’s penis was a sight to see. It was 10 inches long, huge, black and ugly as sin.

Well, there you have it, folks. The news you have all been waiting for!
Video below related, actually not really. For entertainment purposes only.
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Rick Dyer selling sponsorships for his Bigfoot tour in 2014. Dyer is selling sponsorships for his US tour when he will tour the country with Hank. One question though is what if the Bigfoot on tour is not really Hank but instead is a replica of a Bigfoot. Rick is selling sponsorships on the basis that the tour is of a real Bigfoot, but if it is a fake instead, one would assume that anyone buying a sponsorship could sue him for fraud.
After the Shot DVD has a gorilla hand on it. Dyer’s After the Shot DVD is said to include 40 minutes of HD footage of Hank the Bigfoot’s dead body. However, on the reverse of the DVD is a hand that looks like it could be a Bigfoot’s hand. Unfortunately, a clever blogger has discovered that that is a hand of a gorilla taken off the Internet. So Dyer has a gorilla hand on the back on his DVD which he says has footage of a real Bigfoot. That does not exactly inspire confidence in the DVD!
Adam Bird’s review of Shooting Bigfoot premiere in the UK.

SHOOTING BIGFOOT: OUR OPINION

Since September 2012, a story has dominated the Bigfoot community, whether you believed in it or not. Love him or hate him, Rick Dyer has been the name everyone has been talking about. A video appeared online that showed an alleged Sasquatch filmed from about twenty feet away, from inside a tent. A lot of people were impressed with the footage, ourselves included. It featured a Bigfoot with a large head set on high shoulders, with a coned head, large dark eyes, thick neck muscles and hair surrounding an ape-looking face. It was a very good video, there was no doubt about that.
But soon enough the name of Rick Dyer, the man behind 2008’s infamous ‘Bigfoot in a freezer’ hoax was associated with this video. Many in the Bigfoot community hate Dyer with a solid passion. But instead of doubting this realistic looking footage, we gave Dyer a chance; a second chance. Through our original page Bigfoot: The Evidence, we supported him, backing him all the way, alongside Facebook/Find Bigfoot.
Soon after Dyer claiming that this video was shot during the making of Shooting Bigfoot, British director Morgan Matthews’ feature length documentary about men who hunt for Bigfoot in the US. Dyer then claimed that the Bigfoot in his film footage was dead, and that it was he who had shot and killed it.
People were quite rightly skeptical about this tale. After all, Dyer had said back in 2008 that he had a Bigfoot body, and that turned out to be nothing more than a $99 costume filled with animal organs and entrails! But when prominent online skeptic Musky Allen, whom I had been friends with for sometime, became involved and Dyer invited him out to Vegas to view the actual dead body, things got more exciting.
Musky Allen indeed went to Vegas and he confirmed the body was real. We were now convinced that Rick Dyer was telling the truth. Shooting Bigfoot was said to feature clear HD footage of the Sasquatch that was shot.
The documentary was released in April 2013 to an expectant audience. But what was promised wasn’t delivered. We did not see full footage of a Bigfoot, nor did we see it being shot. Many of Dyer’s supporters were disappointed. The more the story went on, the more it became obvious that this seemed to become all about Dyer making money. Memberships into Team Tracker, Dyer’s Bigfoot creation, costing hundreds of dollars, were offered, as well as promised insights into the dead body.
But then not long after the documentary was released, Stacy Brown, Florida Bigfoot researcher, came forward with pictures of a costume that resembled closely the Bigfoot in Dyer’s tent footage. This was sort of the final straw for us and we, under our new group name ‘BIGFOOT: BELIEVERS ONLY’, decided to turn our back on Dyer and his tales. It was becoming more and more obvious that this was a hoax.
Then it was announced that Shooting Bigfoot was to premiere in Edinburgh in June 2013. We knew we had to see the night-vision footage that Morgan Matthews had filmed of the Bigfoot that Dyer claimed he shot. So Adam and Paul arranged to spend the weekend at Edinburgh to catch the UK premiere. That brings us now to today.
We went to the premiere and were surprised and excited to see that the director of the film, Morgan Matthews, was at the showing and that he would be doing a question and answer session at the end of the documentary. The film itself is not a pleasant one for a Bigfoot believer and enthusiast to watch. In fact it can feel quite brutal at times.
Matthews’ sole purpose was to make the Bigfoot community, and all those who have had the privilege to actually see this magnificent creature with their own eyes, look foolish, irrational and downright dim-witted and unintelligent. This is pretty much obvious because of the fact that he picked characters such as Dallas and Wayne, who may not come across as the most intelligent of individuals, instead of other respected researchers such as Cliff Barackman.
The film is beautifully made, no doubt about it. Morgan Matthews spent a lot of times with the people featured in the documentary, including Rick, Dallas and Wayne and Tom Biscardi. But the main theme of the film, that people who research and believe in Bigfoot are just slack-jawed, redneck types of characters, still keeps hitting you square between the eyes and leaves a distaste in the mouth. You cannot help but feel insulted personally, so much so that Paul almost left early.
But the most important part was seeing the footage of the alleged dead footage and the actual shooting itself. This part of the film is right at the end, within the last ten minutes.
The first sign of something is when Matthews is in his tent and something is making vocalizations outside. Suddenly something, or someone, crashes the sides of the tent, scaring Matthews. He jumps out and Rick is creeping out of his tent, gun in hand. In the glare of the gun’s light beam we see a retreating figure. We see high shoulders and a bowed head, covered in hair. Rick takes over in pursuit, Matthews shouting him to come back. We then hear shots being fired and Matthews goes into panic mode, shouting and screaming for Rick to stop shooting.
Next thing we see is a very quick glimpse of the creature as it rushes at Matthews, lashing out and grunting in anger with its’ right arm. Matthews falls to the ground and we hear another gunshot ring out in the darkness. Matthews is then helped to his feet by Rick, who is demanding to see the footage. But Matthews, angry at Rick, refuses and they argue back and forth. We then cut to Matthews showing the injuries that were inflicted during the attack.
And that is how the documentary ends and the controversy begins. And to our opinion on the actual footage.
At one point the tape is rewound and we get a view of the face of the Sasquatch, the same picture that was illegally circulating around the net a couple months ago. This picture does no justice to what can be seen watching the film. What we see is an ape-looking face, with a heavy brow ridge set over deep eyes which move. The nose is human like, just not as pronounced.
There is a receding hairline, with dark hair swept back over the back of a rounded skull. A long upper lip is turned down over the mouth. We could almost be looking at a cross between a chimp and a human. On first glance this thing looks extremely real. To see the eyes moving in the sockets, it did make you take a deep breath. But on looking back at the visualization emblazoned in your mind, you can start to see that this could be a very good make-up job.
When you see the couple of fleeting glimpses of the back of the creature, it does not look particularly tall. The creature looks wide but not out of the realm of human height. We have discussed it over and over. The fact is that it is very difficult to come up with any conclusions based entirely on the footage alone. Does the Bigfoot in the footage look real? In our opinion, yes it does.
But…that does not mean it is real. It just means it could be a very real looking suit. But there is more. Afterwards there was a question and answer session with Morgan Matthews. At one point during the session one lady asked about the Bigfoot attack and Matthews’ opinion. He states that at the time it happened, Matthews instantly came to the conclusion that it was a man in a suit that attacked him, not a real living and breathing Sasquatch.
He also insinuated (but did not outright accuse) that Dyer was hoaxing this whole dead Bigfoot tale. Our conclusions are that it is very hard to make a decision on what we saw. But our gut instinct tells us that this is a hoax, despite the footage and how good it looked, in our opinion. We really really do hope that Rick Dyer proves beyond all reasonable doubt that Bigfoot exists. But based on all the evidence, we do not think he has a dead Sasquatch in his possession. We hoped we are proved wrong and remain open-minded but we find it very unlikely…

Accusation that I am part of the “Rick Dyer Bigfoot Hoax.” I am seeing this more and more, that I am “part of the hoax.” What is amazing is the sheer number of folks who have been accused of being “in on the hoax” by now. And now I am too.
What is fascinating is not even one of the people who are “in on the hoax” have yet to come forward and confess. Bigfoot hoaxes typically consist of only one person, possibly two, but generally no more than two. And usually the hoaxers come forward fairly quickly or they are busted somehow. This Dyer “hoax” is amazing because of the sheer number of players said to be involved and not one of them has come forward yet. Further, the skeptics have not yet proven that this is a hoax, and the story is going on one year now. I edited out many misspellings.

Michael J. Littrell put this in a perspective that even you IDIOTS should be able to understand .Lets not forget that Robert Lynsey started this HOAX on or about Dec 12-2012. How long did it take Richard Traylor Chuck Dyer to come out with his part…. (let the pawns get it out there first) Hmmm. Robert Lynsy is just another player in this HOAX like Musky ( who the fuck is he ??)& all the rest …sung to the tune of the opening of Gilligan’s Island.. Robert, hope you got paid upfront !! SQUATCH IS REAL …THIS SHIT AIN’T..

Very stupid anti-Bigfoot article published in a “science” publication. This typical skeptic nonsense makes the astonishing claim that the existing evidence for Bigfoot makes it even more likely that it does not exist. The fact that there have been 40,000 sightings in the US must mean that they are relatively common. If they are so common, it ought to be relatively trivial to capture good photo, video or other evidence of them, in particular, some sort of a body. That no evidence has been forthcoming when it should have considering the massive number of sightings makes it exceedingly unlikely that this thing exists. Well, that is certainly some creative theorizing!
I am writing too many Bigfoot posts. As you can see, I am slowly turning into a Bigfoot. This is getting embarassing. Maybe I should cut down on the Bigfoot reporting.

Bigfoot Bob: The transformation.
Bigfoot Bob: The transformation.

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261 thoughts on “Bigfoot News October 2, 2013”

  1. “You assume there is an investor, I for one think it’s laughable!” ~ (208champ)
    What you, I and many others have learned about this with POS is that there are a lot of suckers out there willing to believe. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume there is an investor (rich person) with the same thinking and willing to ‘invest’ in POS and wanting to fund the search.

    1. Also, who’s to say that any investor was looking for a shady partner like POS to orchestrate this hoax and use their money to allow him to pull it together.

      1. 208champ,
        Agreed, definitely and entirely possible. This is why I also believe it’s believable to think that any ‘investors’ are in on the hoax and only using POS to help perpetrate it…and due to POS’s prior expert experience in the hoaxing field.

  2. POS is backing Tim Fasano now and even telling his members and viewers to donate to TIm’s research. And if they do, then he’ll drop the price of the pay-per-view to $27.99.
    I thought that TIm’s recent video was meant to be a sarcastic spoof on POS and his methods. I also thought that POS maybe couldn’t tell that this was a spoof, but who knows!?!?!
    I never did like or fully trust Tim Fasano and POS used to trash him regularly when he remembered. Something very fishy about all of this.

  3. I am starting to despise Cali almost as much as POS. He is a motor mouth! He should apply for a job on the shopping channel, he’s the consummate salesman.

    1. what have the platinum and gold members got for their money? Nothing except for the first to hear about the baby Bigfoot hoax crap? wow.. Do you still believe he has a body RL? the tent video could be real but that doesn’t mean he actually has a body. There is a huge difference between filming one and actually killing one.

      1. “the tent video could be real but that doesn’t mean he actually has a body. There is a huge difference between filming one and actually killing one.” ~ (r)
        Good point r and I can agree with this thinking. However, everything in my being is telling me that isn’t the case.

        1. i’m not saying i believe the tent video is real, i’m on the fence about it. But believing that Dyer has a Bigfoot body based on believing the tent video is real is a huge leap of faith. Also the strange image on the tree that Hank is behind in the tent video bothers me, it’s like a strange distorted face at eye level facing Hank.. idk..

        2. You brought up the tent video. The problem I have with it is how Dyer could have gotten a shot of the HEAD which is 8ft off the ground, given the apparent distance of the BF, the width of the screen, the distance taken from the screen and the angle of the shot. Dyer seems to say it was standing up at the time as well (getitng ribs on tree?).
          Here is a pic which is NOT ZOOMED for reference. It’s on it’s side.
          https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTeZMTdnBHQtbOROeFzt73y8ty0c6Jb-FuusQET1btzGqWAFTuH1w
          The shot looks like it was taken level (not angled UP) and from a window about 4-5 Ft high. That BF head is a little over 1 ft in size, so it had be fairly close as well. I just don’t see how he could catch it’s head which is 8Ft off the ground at this distance (maybe 15-20ft?).

        1. This might give you a better idea of what I’m talking about in this example>>>
          http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pl4MtzVfElQ/UkOFOPZDJTI/AAAAAAAAAW8/t-qTzbYrewA/s1600/photo.JPG
          . I was assuming a HIGHER screen, his tent probably looked like this one and so the screen would have been LOWER still. In this pic he would be shooting from a level in the white section..midway up…3ft-4ft off the ground (?). He was also AWAY from the screen opening as you can see from my other post above. That would LIMIT his field of view considerably. I would put the BF at the FAR right tree in this sample pic above. An 8ft 6in BF would be at least 3/4 the way up that tree. Do see how he couldn’t catch the HEAD if he was shooting straight thru that slit (in the white part 1/2 way up) standing BACK from the slit by several feet. If had his camera right UP AGAINST the slit, it might have been possible, but he’s standing BACK as shown in the actual tent video screen shot posted above.

  4. r, I understand what you’re saying and you make a valid point. It would have been much believable for him to get this video than actually shooting and killing the creature. I do agree with you that, that scenario is much more likely than what he’s telling us. Personally, I just don’t believe any of this story.

  5. Everyone; try to put yourself in POS’s shoes and think what you’d do, if you were in his situation…
    Let’s assume that everything POS is telling us is true, that he shot and killed a bigfoot and this was made possible mostly because of investor(s) financially backing his expeditions over the last 5 years. The creature is finally located, seen, shot and killed by POS and all of this is captured on film, not only by MM and film company, but also by POS’s own film crew afterwards.
    From that moment onwards, POS would be famous and entitled to some pretty hefty financial compensation. Afterall, it was all captured on film for everyone to see who did what and how.
    POS likes to make out like he and his investors didn’t have much of a contractual agreement. BUT, do any of you truly believe this guy wouldn’t dot all his (i’s) and cross all his (t’s) BEFORE entering into any contract with investors? Seriously, and listen to his own words on his programs, he says this all the time. He was a correctional officer who’s been been involved in many scams before. He even stated that he became a correctional officer simply to get a badge so he could escape prosecution by the cops. He has said this on one of his previous shows how he was speeding, pulled over and subsequently let go by the officer after POS showed his credentials.
    So, he’s done the impossible; shot and killed a bigtoot and has got his investors over a barrel in an iron clad contract. Then why on earth would he care to spend 8 months assembling a team of NOBODYS and misfits to support and back him up? Why would he even waste his time when he knows the money and recognition is just around the corner? In that situation, none of that would matter or impact momentarily on the accomplishment whatsoever.
    BUT, he asserts say that he’s doing this for the benefit of the bigfoot community as a whole and to better the advancement and understanding of the species, right? WRONG! Since when has he ever cared about the B/F community. He says he “hates everyone in it”, “will make sure he trashes everyone he can once this gets out” and the “only person in the community he respects is Derick Randles”. These are his words directly from his mouth.
    This is what I truly believe will happen in December….
    December 12th, there WILL be a party and live pay-per-view broadcast from LV with him and TT cronies. A ‘body’ will be there under a glass case and everyone or many attending will think it’s legit. Remember, you can’t touch, feel or inspect it too close!
    Next on December 15th, there WILL be some media response and reports. Since they just recently reported about the Erickson project, they will likely report about this too. BUT again, since the Erickson news conference received such little fanfare or legit acknowledgement (BF community or otherwise), POS’s new might fare even worse or get even less coverage. He might even be planning on this.
    I really don’t believe there will be any sort of scientific announcement or genuine scientists stepping forth to proclaim a new species and that this is the discovery of the century. This will be omitted and for POS, he can and will probably get away with making any old excuse for what this didn’t happen.
    After this, it’s ONTO THE TOUR! This is his main goal and this is where he’s planning on making his money. 12 or more months touring the USA and Canada, charging hundreds and thousands, maybe millions of unsuspecting victims who probably don’t have a clue about any of this year long story and who probably could go either way between believing or not believing. THIS is what he’s counting on; a tour of the country, an elaborate glass entombed dummy bigfoot in tow. It’s about all the money he’ll make from gullible people with little or no interest or those that have no real knowledge of his background, the story itself or bigfoot.

    1. Without a huge press conference with scientists and medical professionals attesting to the validity of the specimen i would never pay to see this exhibit. If the reveal isn’t front page news then it isn’t real..

        1. “use common sense people”….ha ha, what an idiot. There is no reason to put a dead gorilla hand on the back of the dvd other than to fool people..

    2. The scientist verification is a biggie at the *press release* conference. That is supposed to take place on Dec 15..two days after the party/PPV. Let’s see how he dodges that bullet. I have private contact with Derek Randles on a very *casual basis* on another forum. He has notified me he will attend the viewing but won’t be publicly reporting what he sees. I asked him if he was bound by a NDA and he told me Dyer has requested NOTHING from him. I’m hoping that I can get some private feedback on what he had seen. He can’t be easily fooled.

    3. Yes…making money on the tour with a fake is definitely in the cards.
      Taking the other side of this equation>> Let’s assume, as he has stated, that he cut a deal to tour with a real BF for one year. He stated that a special insurance policy was taken out to cover any *unforeseen* circumstances that might arise and jeopardize the body. LOL. If I was the *owner*, NO AMOUNT of INSURANCE would be sufficient since it’s >>>PRICELESS! If you want to display the body you do it at SECURE LOCATION and move it around as little as possible. No one in their right mind would allow Dyer to run around and parade this body at *Flea Markets and Gun Shows*. WTF?? This is a HUGE RED FLAG guys….nothing he has said is more preposterous than this *TOUR* he has been allowed to take. NOTHING! Yes..use common sense as Dyer so often states in his shows.

    4. Jacki,
      You make great counter arguments and gave very good explanations for the suppositions I’ve laid out. 😉 Under ‘normal’ idyllic circumstances in a perfect world, I might very well be compelled to agree or maybe think about your hypothesis more. What you have said, makes pretty good logical sense. However, this simply goes beyond wanting to believe it’s possible that a person or POS shot and killed a b/f. It also has nothing to do with my or anyone’s belief of whether the creature truly exists or not. I COMPLETELY believe the creature exists! If you can read between the lines, you’ll hopefully understand.
      Unfortunately, your belief that a real b/f body will be acknowledged, displayed and scientifically documented isn’t how this is going to ultimately unfold. There is one thing I can’t explain to you or anyone in specific details but it as a lot to do with why this entire scenario wouldn’t happen like POS has said.
      Please, mark my words….you and anyone else reading this. Please remember what others and myself have been trying to say all along in our different ways and various methods. Some probably wouldn’t agree with me, but nevertheless, they are right in that this entire story is impossible.

    5. If there was any legitamacy to this story at all, the hunting industry would be all over it. The firearm people would want to sponsor, from the rifle manufacturer right on down to the folks who supplied the components for the cartridge itself. Guides and Hunting Clubs would be booking RD with trips and speaking engagements. Thats why I believe this deal is BS.

  6. “There is no reason to put a dead gorilla hand on the back of the dvd other than to fool people..” ~ (r)
    Absolutely and definitely no reason to do this. He could have easily shown a picture of the real hand of the B/F, if there WAS a real bigfoot. What harm would that have done and since he already provided the “most compelling b/f video ever”…the tent video showing ‘Hank”, chewing, blinking and moving! Show us the REAL HAND, POS!?!?!?! Can you do that….WILL you do that?
    Anyway, on last night’s show he lied again. He said that there was a picture of the hand on both the front and back cover of the DVD…This is not true but even if it was…why all the secrecy, subterfuge and confusion over showing a hand?!??!?!
    He can show a video of the creature’s head and shoulders in broad daylight, but he can’t/won’t show a still picture of its real hand?!?!?!?
    Oh dear……

      1. I should have added..does anyone here know someone who has and will they be able to get a second hand description of what’s actually on this DVD?

        1. Ron ,
          I would NEVER order a DVD from POS, not even it he was selling them for $1.00. I don’t know anyone either who’d purchased it/them.
          Anyone who actually pays for these dics is basically admitting that they are unsure and possibly thinking there is something more to them. My morals & values prevent me from contributing any money to POS’s wallet. I FIRMLY and STEADFASTLY believe the ‘shooting and killing’ part is a definite hoax.
          However and like I’ve stated, said and mentioned numerous times, I DO believe that things will more or less play out like POS is saying. It boils down to what that body is and I am 100% confident that it will be a convincing dummy/mannikin or whatever you want to call it.

    1. “There is no reason to put a dead gorilla hand on the back of the dvd other than to fool people..” ~ (r)
      But the point is, it didn’t fool anyone.

      1. with all due respect, why does an image of a gorilla hand belong anywhere on the dvd. If i was in charge i would rather have nothing on the back cover than an image that others could say i was using to mislead and hoax buyers. How does that image in any way relate to what’s said to be on the dvd?Its not called”After shooting the gorilla”

      2. r. I have no opinion on whether Mr Dyer is hoaxing or not but, in the case of the gorilla hand on the DVD, I can think of reasons for its inclusion. Not least, I suppose, based on the fact that the Mountain Gorilla was found fairly recently in the grand scheme of things and only after years of mostly disregarded anecdotal evidence. Before the discovery there was no peer reviewed paper, no DNA, it was discovered by an accidental sighting which led to a shooting and thereby recognition.
        Not being argumentative here, I promise. I’m just thinking of logical reasons for the inclusion of that photo.

      3. After hearing Rick say over and over that a photo of Hank is on the back cover of the dvd and saying it will blow our minds and holding it up with his hand over it to toy with us and then having old man winter show it accidently and it be that gorilla hand..that was last straw for me

    1. I suppose Ron, but I’m just not that curious myself. In my heart, gut and soul I KNOW this is a hoax. December isn’t that far away and I’ll be monitoring the situation very closely until then and as it unfolds. Once this all comes out and ultimately flops and starts to fade away like every other hoax, wanting to know is on those DVD’s will matter less and less. It will be confirmation that ANYTHING to do with POS DYER, is nothing but lies, scams, frauds while concluding that he’s only gotten better at perpetrating these scams over the years.

  7. Al, my guess is that it will never get that far, i.e., fake body, party, press conference, etc. Dyer isn’t going to put what little money he has left into a complete fiasco. To make a realistic looking Hank will cost way too much. Also, all of the money and planning needed for everything else…? No way! Hell, Dyer can’t even recruit people for and organize an expedition!
    I still contend he has nothing on the DVD’s and they will never be shipped.
    The reason Rick is pimping the DVD’s like a madman is because he knows that his time is nearly up. Even his own team will start asking more and more questions as Dec draws near. Do you really think POS will want to be caught hanging around when this hoax goes up in flames? There is going to be a lot of pissed off team members who have dedicated their time, money and dreams to Dyer believing that he was going to lead them to riches and glory.
    No, we’ll discover sometime in Nov or early Dec that Dyer has disappeared. And I, for one, will be glad.

    1. But Rob,
      If it doesn’t go this far, what is POS’s exit strategy? He’s made too many claims, committed to too much that he can’t get out and without self imploding. If there is no body, no tour, no press conferences….how on earth do you think he’s going to explain why none of this happens? This WILL be and has to be his very last chance. The “Shooting Bigfoot” film was a flop, the latest reviews weren’t much better from the UK. Most of us realized that this was the end of it after the Toronto film festival in May, but no, POS kept going, talking and misleading his followers that there was still more. He told them to wait, keep the faith and be patient. December is his end game and once he goes on his cross country tour, he’ll be out of the fray.
      He doesn’t care one bit about his team members or what goes down afterwards. This is where you and many others are confused. He uses, abuses, tosses and throws away his ‘supporters’ on a whim. He has no allegiance or true friendships with any of them. He’s a VERY CONVINCING ACTOR. 😉
      I also believe that 1 or 2 close and long term TT members could very well be involved in the hoax. Members he talks about often and who will be on tour with him. Furthermore and sadly, I believe he has a couple of members on his team who would agree with him if he said the sky was red.

      1. Al, his exit strategy is to head south and live with Lily’s family in Mexico.
        Unless he has a real body (which we know he doesn’t) he is screwed if he sticks around. The DVD’s? I’m am convinced he has nothing on them. But if he did make a piece of crap film, he has promised “doubling” people’s money back. Do you believe Dyer will return anyone’s money? Hell, no! Let’s face it, the DVD will of course be a complete joke…and people will be demanding their money! What will Dyer do?
        And again, Dyer has no money. That’s why he is always begging. He’s not going to have a truck, trailer or body because he will not have the funds. Look, very few support this guy. Those who do have very little to give.
        Also, I just watched some of his show tonight. The man does know how to manipulate like a pro. He spent time going from team member to team member heaping praise on each one. He told them, with eyes moist, how much he loved them and that they are his family. He said, ” And I’ll do anything for my family.” (Implying once again that all of their hard work would soon pay off).
        Now, team tracker has invested so much time, energy, money, and hope into Dyer, do you think Rick will want to be in the middle of this group when they show up on Dec 12th and see a joke of a fake body lying before them? And no big media event like Dyer just promised again tonight, no lavish party at some prestigious hotel, no motorhome, no paid travel tickets for team members, no trailer…no anything.
        Face it, there is no way in hell POS will be around when this hoax blows up. I am convinced that his team really believes Rick has a body and that they will all become rich and famous by association. This is why they are working so hard for POS. Once the realize this is a hoax…they are going to light up the torches and sharpen the pitchforks. And they’ll be coming for Dyer!
        But he’ll be long gone.

        1. Hi again Rob,
          While I agree with you that there is a possibility that POS might just disappear, flee the fallout/country and maybe make the move to Mexico…I just don’t believe this will happen. He’s being far too confident this time and I believe it’s because he’s got his long term cross country touring plan in sight with the financial backing by some rich/delusional but maybe unscrupulous hoaxer who has a vested interest themself. He’s thinking about all the money he’ll make on the year long tour. He’s closed many legal loop holes this time and stamped them with tons of NDA’S. I don’t think he’s worried about being sued and I am certain he doesn’t care one iota about what his members *might* think if this final scene fades and sizzles out. He’s a master at delaying, making excuses and pretending to be the pied piper in the B/F community.
          POS’s ‘money back guarantee’ is trick wording and a legal loop hole. What he has said is; “If you can PROVE that this isn’t a real bigfoot in the DVD, I will refund your money”. Please tell me how anyone can prove that whatever they see in the DVD’s ISN’T a real bigfoot? The creature isn’t even formally acknowledged or recognized and without a body in front of a scientific team, it’s just impossible to ‘prove’ this to a court in order to get your original money back, nevermind double. Lastly, he has disclaimers on everything and even with purchases over paypal, they don’t refund NON tangible sales. He’s dotted all (i’s) and crossed all (t’s).
          I am thoroughly convinced that POS has 95% of his team fooled, possibly any investor(s) and he’s going to try to fool as many more as he can come December. It’s all a game to him, it’s about notoriety, fame, conquests, revenge and seeing how far he can push this. He’s in love with money and AGAIN, such statements come straight from his own lips. Once he’s on this cross country tour, he’ll be out of the spotlight and much more difficult to track down. 95% of his TT members will believe that what they see in the glass case at the LV party, is a real creature. If they haven’t doubted or questioned him by this point, what makes you believe they will falter after seeing the prop/dummy? Cali, Boswell, Clacy, Judd and a couple others would agree with POS if he proclaimed bigfoot is part amphibious and can regrow its limbs.
          I don’t know why so many think POS Is broke or poor. How does one define this? He obviously has to have kind of regular, substantial and steady money or he simply couldn’t make as many moves as he has over the years. He’s lived in nearly half the USA over the years. It takes money to move so frequently. He spends countless hours on his video/radio shows, demonstrating that he doesn’t work a 9-5 job. He’s married with a handful of kids, none of which come cheap. Just because I despise POS, I will admit what I see and without alluding to things that aren’t likely.

        2. I think he will show up. He already has people who bought plane tickets as well. He certainly could be sued for fraud if he doesn’t have this party. The only way he could get out of this is to flee the scene. I don’t see that happening as far as the *party* event. I maintain he will have a very good mock up of a *BF* which will be encased and impervious to cursory inspection. Just my educated guess.

  8. Dyer has two choices>>ship the DVD or refund. That’s it. He has set a date certain (Dec 17) for shipment regardless of the total # purchased. He is legally bound to do one or the other. So, if he never ships them, then he will refund the $$. I don’t see the latter option as practical, so he will ship something.

  9. And please, investors? Outside of the crumbs Dyer gets from team tracker and other impoverished gullible types, Rick has no investors.
    Think about it? If Rick had investors why would he have had to have sold his vehicle (clown mobile), had an estate sell, and moved into a smaller, crappier house? If he had such wealthy investors why does Rick complain about needing money so badly? If these “investors” are going to give Rick 27 million dollars in a year…you mean that can’t front him a million or two now to hold him over and make sure the tour goes well?
    It makes no sense on so many levels that I feel like my head is about to explode!
    So, if Rick has no investors and no real money coming in…how is he going to continue the hoax into Dec? Answer: he cannot! He has promised too much with a final date. All this takes money…lots of money! Money Rick doesn’t have.
    And somebody mentioned the media showing up. What? Do you really believe the media would be so stupid to fall for this again…from the same hoaxer? No way! The only interest Dyer is receiving is from us …the haters. Nobody believes this fool. Even on his own blog you see very little support. And the proof is in the financial pudding…people are not lining up to buy the DVD’s or PPV. How do I know? Because Dyer is looking more and more depressed. He doesn’t look and act like a man that is reaping a great harvest. He looks stressed.
    Once again, look for Dyer to disappear sometime before Dec 12th. Dyer is a conning POS but he is smarter than people give him credit. He’s sees the writing on the wall. He knows this hoax is about over. He’ll be gone long before it will be time to “put up” in Dec.

    1. Hi again Rob,
      While I agree with you that there is a possibility that POS might just disappear, flee the fallout/country and maybe make the move to Mexico…I just don’t believe this will happen. He’s being far too confident this time and I believe it’s because he’s got his long term cross country touring plan in sight with the financial backing by some rich/delusional but maybe unscrupulous hoaxer who has a vested interest themself. He’s thinking about all the money he’ll make on the year long tour. He’s closed many legal loop holes this time and stamped them with tons of NDA’S. I don’t think he’s worried about being sued and I am certain he doesn’t care one iota about what his members *might* think if this final scene fades and sizzles out. He’s a master at delaying, making excuses and pretending to be the pied piper in the B/F community.
      POS’s ‘money back guarantee’ is trick wording and a legal loop hole. What he has said is; “If you can PROVE that this isn’t a real bigfoot in the DVD, I will refund your money”. Please tell me how anyone can prove that whatever they see in the DVD’s ISN’T a real bigfoot? The creature isn’t even formally acknowledged or recognized and without a body in front of a scientific team, it’s just impossible to ‘prove’ this to a court in order to get your original money back, nevermind double. Lastly, he has disclaimers on everything and even with purchases over paypal, they don’t refund NON tangible sales. He’s dotted all (i’s) and crossed all (t’s).
      I am thoroughly convinced that POS has 95% of his team fooled, possibly any investor(s) and he’s going to try to fool as many more as he can come December. It’s all a game to him, it’s about notoriety, fame, conquests, revenge and seeing how far he can push this. He’s in love with money and AGAIN, such statements come straight from his own lips. Once he’s on this cross country tour, he’ll be out of the spotlight and much more difficult to track down. 95% of his TT members will believe that what they see in the glass case at the LV party, is a real creature. If they haven’t doubted or questioned him by this point, what makes you believe they will falter after seeing the prop/dummy? Cali, Boswell, Clacy, Judd and a couple others would agree with POS if he proclaimed bigfoot is part amphibious and can regrow its limbs.
      I don’t know why so many think POS Is broke or poor. How does one define this? He obviously has to have kind of regular, substantial and steady money or he simply couldn’t make as many moves as he has over the years. He’s lived in nearly half the USA over the years. It takes money to move so frequently. He spends countless hours on his video/radio shows, demonstrating that he doesn’t work a 9-5 job. He’s married with a handful of kids, none of which come cheap. Just because I despise POS, I will admit what I see and without alluding to things that aren’t likely.

      1. He says >>*REAL DEAD BF*. I’m not a lawyer, but *DEAD* implies not a mock up, but what was once a LIVING CREATURE. The point on being a BF is correct, we have NO PROOF BF EXITS, so any claim that it isn’t a BF is moot. Also, scientifically *BF* is not CLASSIFIED (TAXONOMY). The Term *BF* is just a nickname for ????. So the use of the name *BF* is an ambiguous term in and of itself! He really hasn’t nailed down described what he supposedly has. Any claims that he *doesn’t have a real BF* will be baseless. Like I said, the only caveat here would be the claim he has a *DEAD* body of something that is 8Ft 6in tall. Now, he hasn’t claimed the SIZE on the DVD has he? So, in theory, he could show a large dead primate (Gorilla..Orangutan) in the DVD and be covered! He could show a fake mock up at the party and tour and be covered, because his claim on DEAD BF BODY only applies to the DVDs.

  10. I’ve been trying to follow this thread, I fear I might not be up to date. Specifically, did we ever hear back from that guy w/ a second person contact to Hank 3? I wonder what kind of comment he would give our beloved blog owner? AND , where the hell is Mata Hari ? He/She/It promised all kinds of illuminating tidbits. I have wondered if MH is POS’s wife. I just have a sneaking suspicion.

  11. AI, this is why this hoax is so entertaining to me…with a man like Dyer anything is possible…except that he has a real bigfoot!
    He just reminds me of those con men in old TV and movies. You know the type, they show up in some town, promise the residents some sort of “flim-flam” that will make everyone rich and famous if they invest in his scheme. Then when the big day arrives and all the town folk are bursting with excitement…it is discovered that mr conman has disappeared with the money and there was no…(fill in the blank) after all.
    I could be wrong, hell, it’s Dyer were talking about…who knows? I just can’t for the life of me understand how he could stick around with the hate of team members and legal issues that will start coming his way (because he will not return the money on those, if even real, crappy DVD’s)?
    And don’t underestimate what could happen when these Team Members heart’s are ripped from their chest. With all the time, money, hope, and arrows they’ve taken for Dyer—some will be looking for blood! Many know where Dyer lives, he’s not going to want to be a sitting duck.
    And why Dyer is so obnoxiously confident you ask? Because he knows he’ll be out of reach when the results of this hoax all comes out! He can say whatever he wants now, like when he promised a $700 video camera to the next person who buys a DVD, or like how he promised giving people “double” their money back if the DVD does not show a real bigfoot.
    He can make all of these promises because his plan is to flee when the timing is right. Like in the aforementioned TV/Movies, Team Tracker will one day wake up and find that their “dear leader” has disappeared…along with their hopes and dreams.

    1. He just reminds me of those con men in old TV and movies. You know the type, they show up in some town, promise the residents some sort of “flim-flam” that will make everyone rich and famous if they invest in his scheme. Then when the big day arrives and all the town folk are bursting with excitement…it is discovered that mr conman has disappeared with the money and there was no…(fill in the blank) after all.
      This is precisely what Mr. Dyer is.

  12. “Well, they are ancestors of us, not sure if they are ancestors of Neandertal also.” – RL
    Please excuse the positioning of my response to your point, Mr Lindsay, but I keep losing the ‘reply button’ on some posts. I believe that where Heidelbergensis fits into the human evolutionary tree is disputed and depends on analysis of the Sima material.
    Still, this isn’t relevant to the discussion and apologies for the diversion. 🙂

  13. Well, I suppose that depends on whether Sasquatch is a hominin or a hominid. You subscribe to the hominin theory?

    1. All Homo are hominins. The nuclear side of Sasquatch split off @1 million years ago or so, shortly after the Erectus-Sapiens split. So Sasquatch is like a later Erectus – early Homo type hominin.

      1. Yes. So you don’t think that Sasquatch is an ancestor of Gigantopithecus blackii? I know Jack Rink says they co-existed with early humans.
        Sorry if my comments are naive, I’m new to this subject, as I’ve already said.

        1. Okay, thank you. I’d like to ask you for your reasoning but, as I said, I’m not sure this is the right thread – this is a very interesting aspect to the Sasquatch debate though.

        2. Yes I now full well that Erecutus is Homo. I just mistyped that accident. Sasquatch is like a late Erectus – early Sapiens.
          Heidelbergensis is well known from many different specimens. Meldrum talks about a 13,000 YBP skull from China. Also there is the Turkana Boy from Africa, probably archaic Sapiens, who had something wrong with his back (hunched over like a Sasquatch) and some of the Heidelbergensis from Africa were huge – true giants.

        3. Melba had no preconceived notions about what Bigfoots were. Her preconceived notion was that they didn’t even exist. And that was reinforced when she kept getting human over and over on the MtDNA. Richard Stubstad analyzed the MtDNA statistically and found that it was highly unlikely that the findings were due to coincidence, IOW, this was a particularly odd human sequence was rare in humans and only exists from a record 15,000 YBP. So then she decided maybe something was there and she decided to do the NuDNA. The NuDNA was very hard to sequence, and they had to screw around forever to sequence it. When it was all done it came out Homo, but some sort of relict Homo about 1/3 of the way between Sapiens and a chimp, so it looks like they split maybe 1 million YBP. She had no preconceived notions about any of that. She just found it out on her own.

        1. Lesley,
          There are a lot of Sasquatch “believers” who DO subscribe to the Giganto theory (myself included). It makes a lot more sense to me than the “relict Homo” or “hybrid” theories, and it fits Occam’s Razor a lot better, in my opinion. No disrespect, Robert. Homo heidelburgensis, which you favor as an ancestor of Sasquatch, is known only from a very few specimens. It’s not nearly big enough. Gigantopithecus (also known from only a few specimens, really), fits the size bill a lot better, and it already lived in the right part of the world to have made it into North America.
          I think Ketchum’s DNA analysis is flawed. It will be interesting to see if Sykes comes up with a completely different result. I think he will, if he has anything that supports the existence of Sasquatch (which I very much hope he has!). I’m sorry, but Melba seems a little kooky to me, and her DNA analysis seems to have been made to fit her pre-concieved notions of what she thinks Sasquatch are. I could well be wrong, though.

        2. You have a lot of company. Most Bigfooters have always believed in the Giganto (Bigfoot is an ape) theory. That includes the BFRO (Matt Moneymaker), Steven Streufert, Jeff Meldrum, John Mionczynski, and John Bindernagel. Bindernagel changed his mind when he saw the Bigfoot at the Kentucky site and said it looked more like a Homo than an ape. But the latest recording of him he was still saying it was an ape.

        3. Thank you, Mr. Lindsay, bassuke. I can see arguments for both of those theories. If Mr. Lindsay is right, then maybe Melba Ketchum’s findings make more sense. For myself, I think a lot more reading is in order. Heidelbergensis doesn’t seem to be any more of a stretch to me than Gigantopithicus. Some examples of Heidelbergensis have been discovered to measure six and a half feet in height and were very robust and heavily built. They also, as with Gigantopithicus, were around at the time when the land bridge was in place. So, for the moment, I can’t come out in favour of either theory.

        4. I thought someone had done dna on one of the few teeth we have for giganto and it was ditermined to not be a direct ancestor in the same line for bigfoot. With melba continuing her analysist of the genome and others like sykes , its an exciting time to be involved in human origins. Also i might remind everyone that melba wasn’t the only person involved and many samples ( 110 ) were used. While 20 mtdna and 3 nudna samples came out to be related. the fact that the human side contained relic genes that have been displaced in homo sapians for 13’000 years is enough to know that this can’t be faked .

        5. No way could they get DNA out of Giganto teeth. DNA only works on specimens 50,000 years old or less. But Giganto is basically a huge Orangutan.That is all it is. And I doubt if it was bipedal.

  14. I wonder if Melba Ketchum and the group were asked about the strong resemblance of the Matilda face to the Chewbacca character, either during the press conference or in subsequent interviews. You would think that they would have anticipated the criticism and preemptively made a statement about such a distracting and damaging aspect of their information release.

    1. Perhaps that is why Erickson seems agitated and Melba states “this is a serious study”. A similar type question may have been asked.

  15. For those wondering what the exit plan is: Dyer pre sells tix for the shows via internet with the promise of something special at an “extra” high cost, then once he gets the caravan on the road, the trailer with Hank will get swiped in questionable circumstances. He goes back to TT with his victim hat and everything goes around again.

    1. woodsucker208,
      This is amazing stuff. Where is this posted? Was it on a TT podcast, can you link? Where was the trailer when it was swiped? Keep up the good work!!!

      1. Just a possible exit strategy considering the circumstances RD has put himself in. I never stated this occured, just a scenario that some are wondering about. Don’t get too agitated, it’s not worth mis-spelling my name over or the troll comment below.

    1. It’s the last place because, no ‘serious’ Sasquatch/Bigfoot research site does not want to promote ‘scams’….I do realize that times can be money tight these days and RD welfare & dis-ability check probably doesn’t go as far…but to ‘prey’ on mentally challenged people is beyond forgivable to me.
      I am sorry that RD had a mentally challenged father that lacked common sense(notice that this is one of R’s most repetitious statements) and threw him in a creek knowing R could not swim, causing R unrepairable brain damage due to the lack of oxygen(he was left under the water in the creek for considerable time).
      I’m sure he had a somewhat ‘trying’ childhood probably being made fun of a lot. His employment history bears out that he isn’t able to handle the most menial of jobs.
      Unfortunately this has lead to him a life of cheating,ripping off, scamming, to get what he needs. Perhaps he is another of those that therapy has failed…I don’t know…but seeking revenge on others of the ‘mentally challenged’ is no way to make one self feel above the others and no doubt will cause his children to suffer ridicule throughout their growing years as well.
      sad story indeed…

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