Dyer skeptics are welcome on this board. Although I am a Dyer believer, I will publish any skeptic argument that seems sensible. I will also publish the Dyer believer side in order to tell both sides of the story. So Dyer skeptics are welcome here as long as they are civil. This is a great story, hoax or not, and until we know for sure one way or the other, it’s best to hear both sides of the story and let people make up their own minds.
An amazing physical description of Hank (Rick Dyer’s Bigfoot body) from Rick’s show yesterday, August 2. From the comments:
- Rick describes describes the Bigfoot as 8 ft 8 inches tall and over 800 pounds.
- The nose has two slits on it on the bridge area.
- The pores all over the body under the hair are large and can be seen.
- The hair as super thick, matted and hard to pull.
- The Bigfoot has a double row of teeth.
- The male Bigfoot genitalia as having a pocket that the genitalia will retract into when not in use.
- Scientists and doctors did MRI’s, cat scans and x-rays.
- The Bigfoot has many double organs. One such double organ is that the creature has two stomachs.
- The Bigfoot also has new organs never seen before.
- The drug companies are very interested in the Bigfoot for possible medicine to help certain ailments we humans have.
- Scientists have named it.
- Scientists say they DNA is new.
- After they killed it, they found some things that could lead people to believe it is doing harm to humans and kids. Rick believes it is a monster.
I have a hard time with some of the physical description here. It seems almost too weird to be true. Double organs? No way. Organs never seen before? What? A retractable penis? No.
Arguments that Dyer’s physical description of Hank is not possible.
The first description is from a Dyer believer:
I am sorry but that report by Rick Dyer is simply bunk.
There are enough DNA samples extant from other encounters to call BS on what Dyer said. Sasquatch are just animals, like you and me or lions, tigers and bears. The DNA comes back as nearly human or unknown primate. They will not have an organ that is unidentifiable; well maybe Rick didn’t know what it was. They won’t have doubled organs unless you are talking about kidneys, eyes & ears. Two stomachs is possible, cows have four of them and would simply indicate largely herbaceous diet. But they won’t have two hearts, livers or brains. Nature does not work that way.
As for the teeth, go to the 3rd world and look at people that do not grow up with a dentist. You see lots of humans that look to have double rows of teeth, but it is just that their teeth are crowded in their mouth. At my previous job my personal assistant was a Chinese lady who at the age of 17 had to have all her real teeth pulled because they were so crooked. She had worn full dentures since she was 17. “Hank” probably had impacted wisdom teeth.
There are many, many reports of people who have had very close encounters with Sasquatch and Rick Dyer is the only one I have seen who claims to have seen this. Look at the PG film, at Patty’s face; if there were two rows of teeth, the cheek would bulge, otherwise the mouth would be too small to eat. Seriously, look at your mouth in a mirror try and imagine how small the interior of your mouth would be if you had two complete sets of teeth.
I think he shot “Hank.” I think he has a really vicious NDA and knows if he says anything before a certain date he doesn’t get paid. Making up wild stories is a way to protect his payday. I also think he like the attention, even if the attention comes from people that hate him. If the skeptics were a house cat, Rick Dyer would be twisting their tail. The harder he twists, the louder they “Yowl” and more Rick Dyer likes it. I believe from what I have seen of him, he has a fairly well developed mean streak. The skeptics didn’t believe him when he told the truth, so he is having fun with them.
He may also be trying to get the “UFO/Space Aliens ate my poodle’s dog food” types to spend money and join his group. Those people will believe anything and will let Rick take them out in the woods nude except for his special tin-foil hats to protect them from alien abduction. The hats cost extra however!
From a Rick Dyer skeptic:
Mammals don’t have multiple hearts, any more than they have six limbs.
From another Dyer skeptic:
Part of the reason that science isn’t generally willing to entertain the possibility of a large unknown North American primate species – which Bigfoot would be, even if it’s some sort of human, as many here believe (although not me)- is that there is a small but vocal element of the BF community that spouts all this, “They have multiple organs” or “They’re interdimensional” or “They’re aliens” stuff.
If they are mammals, they have to obey the same biological rules that other mammals obey. I suppose it is possible that a large, mostly herbivorous primate might have evolved a ruminating system to help digest large quantities of plant matter. But not multiple hearts, livers, etc. Sorry.
I agree with Fai Mao that witnesses might see really large or crooked teeth and misidentify that as multiple rows of teeth, but it’s really unlikely that it actually has them, based on mammalian biology. Dyer saying that Hank has them, to me, is further evidence that he’s either making it all up or saying what he thinks people want to hear.
From yet another Dyer skeptic:
Ketchum’s conclusion was that BF is a hybrid of a human being having mated with a hominid, likely some type of ape. If you believe that to be true, then you could not possibly believe Dyer’s description of “Hank” which includes multiple double organs, new organs that have never been seen, a retractable penis pocket?, and so on. These two theories are in direct contradiction with one another. If you believe one, you cannot believe the other. So, which is it?
However, it is true that there are many descriptions of “giants” found in the Americas that were very tall, had strange shaped skulls, and often had double rows of teeth. There are many newspaper reports of these from the 1800’s into the early part of the 20th Century. Here is one such report from the comments:
2 rows of teeth is very common in descriptions of giants found in past.
“First reported in the 4 May 1912 issue of the New York Times, the 18 skeletons found by the Peterson brothers on Lake Lawn Farm in southwest Wisconsin exhibited several strange and freakish features.
Their heights ranged between 7.6 and 10 feet, and their skulls “presumably those of men, are much larger than the heads of any race which inhabit America today.”
They tend to have a double row of teeth, 6 fingers, 6 toes and like humans come in different races. The teeth in the front of the jaw are regular molars. Heads usually are elongated believed due to longer than normal life span.”
Nevertheless, there is a report of a Bigfoot with two rows of teeth. Go to Bigfoot Encounters. It’s the Anderson County, Texas sighting.
However, a skeptic (but Dyer believer) feels that that story is fictional. Here are his reasons why:
I have read that “encounter” it just reeks of a tall tale.
There is so much in that report that is just wrong.
The juvenile Sasquatch in the middle of the road and refusing to leave.
The female “mother” Sasquatch reaching through the truckers window and stroking his beard.
The events described in that encounter are so far beyond what even the most dedicated people doing habituation have been able to do. That report describes behavior that makes sense if you are talking about a spoiled human child in a supermarket parking lot.
Sasquatch do not behave like normal humans because they are not normal humans, assuming they are human at all. What is described in that report is not typical Sasquatch behavior, and that raises a red flag for me. If you want to understand Sasquatch behavior read the book Animals in Translation by Temple Grandlin and apply what she says about autism to Sasquatch behavior. A juvenile Sasquatch would not have been in the middle of the road and refuse to leave when approached by a tractor-trailer. It is not what an animal or autistic person would do.
Think about it. If Sasquatch were as approachable as described in that “report,” there would be no doubt about their existence.
If I remember right it is a fairly recent report – posted within a year though it is claimed to have happened several years ago – I would not be surprised if it was not a RD plant.
More skeptic arguments against the Rick Dyer story.
A lot of the confusion about the movie came from changes happening so late in its production. A movie that apparently had been wrapped was re-opened, which to many of us looks very suspicious.
The other arguments are just not moving. If Dyer used real ammunition he could easily have shot it into the air. Also, Dyer now claims that there was no crew at the kill site, just him and Matthews. The Tent Video creature doesn’t move all that much and it’s a straw man to say you can’t find the mask–it just looks like a man in some kind of headpiece and facial makeup, as frankly does the movie still.
People such as the wrap guy, Frank Cali, and Craig Phillips may seem credible to you but are far from it to a lot of us who have watched their “testimony” and know Dyer’s ways of getting people to lie for him. The Facebook guys, if they’re not in on it, are very eager to believe and appear to be easily manipulated by Musky. And no one knows what is going on behind the scenes with law enforcement.
When nobody is willing to step forward with either real evidence or a confession that they lied, these things drag on and on. If you care that people believe you have a real Bigfoot, why would you just keep using eyewitness testimony to try and prove it? If you don’t care, then leave it alone until the reveal. If you do, then stop just throwing people in front of cameras and making them look foolish. That’s the clearest example of how casually Dyer uses people.
How did Rick Dyer, dumb redneck, get all these people to lie for him? From the comments:
What I don’t understand first you people say Rick is some dumb redneck hick. Yet he is able to get so many people to lie for him. That is to me where you all lose your critical thinking that you sit and say he is stupid uneducated yet he can mastermind this whole things.
get Morgan Matthews to lie, get Musky to lie, get the FB/FB people to lie, get the car wrap guy to lie, get Alexes to lie, get Frank and Craig to lie, get Dallas and Wayne to lie. It amazes me is he a dumb hick or is he actually brilliant to do all this.
I personally think If Rick was able to get all the above to lie…This is a far more interesting story than a Dead Bigfoot. How this one man was able to do all this.
Its a made for TV movie.
Argument that Rick got people to lie for him.
So far, there are really only three people (if you only count the current players) who Dyer would have had to get to lie for him about knowing there is a body…the wrap guy, Frank, and Craig.
The wrap guy probably thought he was in on some joke, and the other two have profiles and testimony that are similar to past Dyer manipulation.
The others you mention are just believers.
As for Matthews, I think he’s given too much credit…he’s a man with a movie to sell, and just as he may not have explicitly stated there’s no Bigfoot in his movie, he also hasn’t said that there is. If Craig and Frank can say there is a body, you’d think he could too. That he hasn’t doesn’t mean there is a real Bigfoot, just that he’s chosen to play along for a while.
This is actually not true.
The following people have seen the body:
1. Musky Allen
2. Frank Cali
3. Car Wrap guy
4. Craig Phillips
5. Unknown TT member
6. Chris Sands
We do not know who 5 is, but a good friend of mine talked to them at length and was very impressed. And from everything I have heard, Sands saw the body too, but he doesn’t seem to be talking about it.
Is Cathiee McMillan really a man? The Dyer skeptics have been saying for a long time that this Dyer believer is really a man. I have seen a photo of her, and she is not a man. Further, she talks like a woman in online conversations. A good female friend of mine agrees that that she talks like a woman in online chats. All in all, the argument seems silly.