Racism among Different Ethnic Groups in California: Perpetrators and Targets

Mr E2me writes:

Derek: “They treated me like kin. Asians don’t hate blacks, that is just another white man’s lie to fuel black-Asian hatred.”
I don’t agree with that comment. My experience has been that Asians tend to be the most racist. As a White guy who has spent the last 2 decades in L.A. stewing in the cultural melting pot I have some very definite opinions on whom exudes the most racism.
Asians towards Blacks is def. #1
There is a definite difference in culture for this sort of thing amongst Asians ie, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, but I find them very united in their dislike of the dark people. They can be very intolerant of Whites as well.
Black towards White is 2nd.
Not as prevalent as the Oriental disdain, but there is a definite intolerance of Whitey by a lot more dark people than there is the other way around.
Tying it up @ 3rd, 4th and fifth would be
Mexican towards Black
White towards Black
White towards Mexican.
These sentiments are there; I just find them fewer and further between than number 1 &2 .

I would tend to agree with this.

      1. US Asians do not like Blacks at all. The ones that hate them the most seem to be the Japanese. They have a strong and abiding dislike for them. Black men do things like run around and have 30 different kids by 17 different women and then don’t marry or support any of them. To a Japanese man, that is the ultimate in dishonor. To them, a man who acts like that is acting like a dog! That is exactly what dogs that run around in the streets do – knock up as many bitches as they can, make lots of puppies, don’t form long term bonds with any of the bitches, and don’t support the offspring.
      2. Here in California, Blacks definitely hate Whites way worse than Whites hate Blacks. CA Whites are very PC and are almost racism-neutered. CA Whites are not supposed to be racist. It is seen as immoral and a social faux pas. If you make a racist remark in public, people will often more or less tell you to shut up. Black people are not very PC, and their racism is often open.
      3. Black racism against Asians would be next. Blacks pick on and prey on Asians mercilessly in schools and in the streets, whereas White racism against Asians is pretty much not allowed in PC California; and anyway, many Whites here like Asians, and there is a lot of White-Asian intermarriage.
      4. Next would be Mexican racism against for Blacks. That is actually quite strong among most Hispanics from Latin America. They are not very PC and are not burdened with White guilt, so they just say and think what they want to. Hispanic racism against Blacks is often open, blunt, and unashamed. On the other hand, the local gangsta types tend to emulate ghetto Blacks.
      5. There are not very many of them, but American Indians here have a profound dislike for Black people for some odd reason.
      6. Down on the list would be White racism against for Blacks. If you bring a Black girl home to your family, it is still a pretty big deal even among White liberals here in California. I ran into that somewhat when I was dating Black women. Mostly your family just acts nervous and your Black girlfriend suspects they are being phony. On the other hand,  it is getting harder and harder to say anti-Black things to fellow Whites because so many Whites are liberals who will get upset and California White culture is becoming wildly PC. Even Whites who make anti-Black statements often make sure to phrase them very carefully so they don’t come across as racist.
      7. White racism against Hispanics. Around here, you will hear more anger towards Hispanics because there are more of them, and disliking Blacks is considered really wrong here in PC California. Also there are not many Black people around here. But also around here, it is quite hard to diss Hispanics to other Whites because nowadays so many White men are married to Hispanic women. Also many Hispanic women appear White and you say something against Hispanics and the White woman next to you gets mad. White racism against Hispanics is getting more and more proscribed here.
      8. Also there is a huge amount of intermarriage going on between Whites and Hispanics. This is more of a cultural issue. If you bring a certain type of Hispanic woman home to Mom, your mother will look down on you because she is “low class.” But another type of Hispanic woman, who is more cultured, more White acting, less barrio, and less into “Mexican culture,” would be just fine. The truth is that many Whites in California treat Hispanics as glorified Whites and there is often this notion that Hispanics are some species of White people with some funny genetics.
      9. And I do know a few Whites who are angry at South Indians for taking over all the gas stations, 7-11’s and hotels.
      10. Negligible:
        • White racism against Asians or American Indians.
        • Black racism against Hispanics or South Indians.
        • South Indian racism against anyone.
        • Asian racism against Hispanics (they don’t care about them) or South Indians.
        • Hispanic racism against Asians or South Indians.

     
     

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176 thoughts on “Racism among Different Ethnic Groups in California: Perpetrators and Targets”

    1. ‘True Asians and blacks are in the same boat, against racist whites.”
      Hi Derek ,
      My post was for your edification and your response here just goes along to prove it. Blacks are highly racist. So much so that it backfires in their face. It used to work in their favor , based on white man’s burden , but we have wised up over the ages and just look at the facts. That’s were the Blacks fall down. If you look at IQ levels and propensity for violence , the dark ones are far more prone to thug like behavior than yellow or white folks.
      ‘Tue Asians’ rofl. What’s a true asian ?
      Are you inferring that I have been acquainted with FAKE asians ?
      Week argument there sport. AND completely fucking wrong.
      You were treated well ‘cuz they were absolutely stunned that there was a negroid person in their midst and not mugging them. It’s like when a crowd of people see a dancing dog at the circus . Is it really dancing ?
      No. We are just happy it’s trying. Same situation with y’all in the orient.
      So let’s not take that as the norm. The norm is yellow hates black more than whitey does. I think it may have been based off the oriental love of math and education and the black person’s ridicule of it.
      So yeah, again I completely disagree.

      1. Truthfully I never encountered any yellow hatred, but Derek is being a fool ‘True Asians and blacks are in the same boat, against racist whites.” is one of the dumbest statements I ever heard. In my personal experience yellow and white are willing to befriend anyone as long as there civil..but because a large amount of black, hispanic, North African are not its pretty rare.

      2. The white race and the Asian race have killed more people in history than the black race has. I don’t believe there has ever been a black person like Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, King(s) Leopold and many others non-blacks. Asians in America don’t necessary hate blacks, but have bought into some of the thinking of white supremacists concerning blacks. To say that one of the worse racism is black against white is pure stupidity If you take away a race’s history, you have taken away a race’s humanity. First as good as we think the United States is, it is probably the first nation in the history of mankind to built itself on shear white supremacy and the hatred of the black man. The hatred is so severe that Caucasians have taken three thousand years of African culture and called it their own. Have you heard whites say that the ancient Egyptians were Caucasians? There are museums around the world that display images of ancient Egyptians
        kings and queens and tens of thousand images on search websites, and the images are of black people not Caucasians. There are also books
        on ancient Egyptians art that prove my point . Now let me give you a lesson on racism: it is the belief that you are superior to one of another race or that your race is superior to another race. Because of slavery blacks don’t see themselves as superior to any other race. Blacks only want the human rights that everyone should demand. And if you don’t see yourself as being superior because of race, then you are not a racist. But if you do you are a racist. One wise man once said: “You can’t legislate good
        will, that comes with education.”

        1. Claim Egypt all you want, anyways Egyptian art is not a pretty as Iranian or Greek art which are without a doubt Caucasian.

        2. Egyptian art preceded Greek art by at least two millennia. So it is safe to say that Egyptian art influenced all other art. My argument isn’t about claiming ancient Egypt, it is only an attempt to lay out easily proven facts.
          Ancient Egypt doesn’t belong to “blacks”, but “blacks” shouldn’t be excluded from its history. There is an African proverb that say this: “The creator of dance, should not be excluded from it.” Since ancient Egypt was a “black” African culture no one should exclude “blacks” from its history. What is most cynical, the world has partitioned off ancient Egypt from Africa as though it was on a different continent and didn’t border other African nations that shared similar cultures. It offends many people that the greatest ancient civilization in human history was on the continent of Africa and its people weren’t Caucasian.

    2. Asians and Blacks have nothing in common. Arabs and Muslims are not treated like Blacks, either, and both Asians and Arabs would consider themselves “white” compared to others. Lighter-skinned Mestizos also identify with “white.” Even darker-skinned Mexicans don’t side with Blacks, in general, there is no love lost between them.
      On the other hand, some Puerto Ricans and Dominicans who have Black ancestry, identify with Blacks, for good reason. And, darker Mestizos (especially younger ones) that live around Blacks do identify with them, because they are more inclined to not see themselves as “white.”

      1. Maybe blacks are hated because the bible has horrible things to say about blacks and it condones slavery?
        God Slaughters Blacks
        “And there came out against them Zerah the Ethiopian with an host of a thousand thousand, and three hundred chariots…” (II Chronicles 14:9)
        So the LORD smote the Ethiopians before Asa, and before Judah; and the Ethiopians fled. (II Chronicles 14:12)
        Comment
        It appears that Black Christian Bible studies programs ignore these verses, for it says that the Lord God slaughtered over a million blacks.
        The association of black with evil goes far back in Western Christian culture. The early Church fathers, Origen, Jerome, and Augustine of Hippo wrote about devils appearing as Ethiopians.
        White racist groups (such as the Ku Klux Klan who think of themselves as opposite of black devils) see these Biblical verses as evidence to justify their beliefs. We still hear phrases such as “Prince of Darkness” or “Black magic” which link blackness with sin.
        In the story of Ham and Japheth, the word “ham” has connotations of “hot” and “dark” in Semitic languages. To the ancient Israelites, as well as some modern Jews and Christians, the “children of Ham” had dark skin and lived in eastern Africa. Thus they see the “Curse of Ham” as a link with black skin and sexual license.

        1. You sound like someone from BRF. Though I’m not surprised by your anti-Christian propaganda, I must remind you one can dig up a lot more caste hostility from Hindu writings. BTW, one of the earliest Christian disciples was an Ethiopian eunuch.
          From the Book of Acts:
          “34 And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?” 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus. 36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?”[b] 38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing…”
          Al Hamdu Lillah !! Praised be Allah !! Insh Allah…ISIS will stand for ‘Indian SubContinent Islamic State’ in the decades to come.
          http://www.islam101.com/religions/hinduism/Mhs.htm

      2. Most likely the hatred is from pigmentocracy or tribalism, Dominicans are very diverse (any were between 15 to 85%white) just compare José Reyes and David Ortiz to Dania Ramirez and Pedro martinez, then there are the many white Dominicans. Dominicans are not like Ethiopians, so your comment “Most Dominicans have a high dislike for blacks” should read “Whiter Dominicans have a high dislike for the darker ones and darker people from other countries”.

    3. ”Also, the Japanese have a lot of white blood in them, they are hairier than true Asians, and therefore more prone to racism. True Asians and blacks are in the same boat, against racist whites.”
      This is certainly one of the most stupid and cretins comments that I’ve heard this year. Golden Raspberry Award for you.
      First, you are a person and does not represent your group. Most sub-Saharan blacks, wherever they are, with or without racism (supposed racism) act the same, extremely rude, hate intellectuality (and leanr knowledge), stupid and with a strong propensity for violence. A minority of them are really worth anything, the rest honestly not worth anything.
      Of course, in the end, in any race, most worth being. Humanity is composed of a minority of really good people, intelligent, capable, which together evenly all traces from the most popularly ones to the most unusual and unique. The rest is cattle. Some cattle are of good quality and not others.
      You act politely and have a person supports the citizen of the children?
      Great, good for you, it means at all. Your Iq has a normal and probably have personality prone to civility. But try not to be considered as an equal in relation to other blacks. They share with you a lot, but more importantly, the values​​, your personality and your ambitions, they do not share. Unjustly defend these people and will be putting yourself in front of fair people’s reaction to ,regarding the unacceptable behavior of most black people.
      Second, if the Japanese-Americans are more mixed with whites, it does not mean so, ”they become more prone to racism”. This is very stupid and unfair to say, because they live in a country that has tried as far as possible ”contain racism” against ” you guys”. In a country truly racist, tribalist, different people, even of the same race, even tolerated. Just observe Russia. (OR AFRICAN COUNTRIES) Of course, you need to investigate the Russian context to understand why this happens.
      It may happen that the Japanese-Americans inherited personality traits like psychoticism, highest in whites than asians, but that does not infer that they are more prone to racism (pseudo ciencie politically correct to infer that racism is a natural form of behavior) but are more likely to express their thoughts (mostly totally righteous) on the average behavior black than ”pure asians”.
      Asians are the complete opposite of blacks, the” partnership against white racism” is virtually impossible. You took the example of the Japanese, who are my Asian favorites. The Japanese, even the original, unmixed, are closer to Caucasians, for some reason (genetic insularity, Ainu mixing or archaic proto-divergent caucaso-asiatic), are more creative and more prone to personality with higher psychoticism. No wonder the Nazis declared that the Japanese were as honorary Aryans, after all, they are one of the people most likely to respect rules and values​​.
      There probably never existed and fight against ”white racism”, because most whites are less likely to purely tribalist attitudes than any other race. And even when they are, they tend to go against their own instincts universalist.
      If blacks are hated by most people around the world, you should not investigate what’s wrong with the rest of the world, but what’s wrong with them.

    4. That is actually a false lie. Don’t be mad just cause a couple of Asians know that pure Africans are not hairy. Even Africa is more heterogenous than Asia. Chinese shows/films usually show an older hairier guy, sometimes younger too.

      1. No its not..
        When I worked in Japan, Many Japanese would speak crap about the White Americans on the project and they would snicker and but totally confine in me..

    1. And Derek,
      Not everyone hates Blacks.. When I lived in west Africa, my girlfriend of 2 eyars was a Ghanian.. And she was hot. 🙂

  1. Why is it that whites feel the need to stir up black-Hispanic, black-Asian, Asian-Hispanic, and black-Native American hatred? Do they want to ruin our chances of getting along and taking whitey down?

    1. I noticed that you forgot “Middle Eastern” Americans…It’s okay. When the time is right, we will join or East Asian, South Asian, Latino, Native American and European American brothers and sisters in declaring open season on every ass-draggin thick-lipped lazy negro we see. 😉
      Can’t wait for open season to begin. 😀

      1. I thought of adding them, but there are so few here that they are not important. Truth is, no one in California gives a damn about Arabs or Persians, Muslim or not! There is little or no hatred against them, and I do not believe that they hate or dislike any other group unless I am mistaken. They won’t even say bad things about Black people, which is odd since everyone seems to do that.

        1. Trust me…EVERYONE hates blacks. 😉
          Besides, there are probably as many dune coons as there are chinks here in the U.S…It’s just that theta have historically “fit in” better.

        2. Besides, there are plenty of “Muslims” here in the U.S, if you haven’t noticed…Tennessee, Florida, and about a dozen other “red states” are in sever danger of being taken over by Sharia law. 🙁

        3. Speaking of Sharia law. Muslims or no Muslims in Tennessee, the place is religious fundementalist, so you have to pretend to like right wing Christians to point, just to get a long and not seem like a asshole or douchebag.

        4. I can say I flat out don’t like right wing Christians,especially due to the Chick Fil a fiasco, and they feeling is mutual, hence why so much bullying.

        5. but Chick-Fil-A is so good……………………………………..
          For anyone who doesn’t live in the South or Appalachia, Chick-Fil-A is widely regarded as the best/most upscale Fast Food joint of them all,
          by a long shot.

        6. Oh yeah, I like Chick fil a’s food and even they have a right to say they don’t like gays. I just think the Christians are turning into bigots, focusing on hate rather than trying to co-exist. I mean, you have to be nice to people to win converts.

    2. I loved the and admired the Japanese for keeping the christian culture out of Japan. When I was working in Japan I understood how they had inoculated themselves from the predatory nature of the christian evangelical aholes.

      1. Well, the thing about is, that everywhere the Christians have went they have indeed brought imperalist armies with them. It’s a fact.
        Now I don’t mind though Christianity that doesn’t come with armies. Nonetheless, someone like ep-gah might argue the people being conqured are so savage that a military conquest and police control by the Christians is inevitable.

  2. I read the comment of the man in the other thread, so after all Mexicans are more Amerindian (at 55%) than Caucasian (at 41%) ,i knew it, by the way i posted links to Yahoo Answers and YouTube about the topic of lack of creativity of the Mexicans, maybe i am a bit rude with Mongoloids, i was so obsessed with them many time, that i am a bit bitter and rude with them, but anyways i am posting truths, i know how the Colombians, Argentinians ,etc feel about the Mexican copies of their Tv shows, i do feel really ofended by it, here a case of some dislike of whites towards Mexicans, due to the copycat tendencies of Mexicans in the entertainment that mimick the Chinese with technology, on top of that i know Mexico is not the only that do remakes, “Betty la fea” or “Rebelde Way” had remakes even from India, but the Mexicans tried to export their versions and make the copycat more popular than the original, really offensive, though Mexicans use many many White actors in their versions, is no secret how the White minority in Mexico control the economy of the country, the entertainment too, so they tend to be overrepresented, in that regard the Whites are not exactly usurped… but still it would be better to show the Whites from the original.
    The original from Argentine.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5alVt2vw7gw

      1. Lol remenber that we will play to be a group of rich like them, but we will mix men and women , we will be “Los Divinos” xD

      1. @Manny: No.
        @ale: si, una regla de los Divinos es qe no compramos en pulgas, solo en malls ,excepcion si son pulgas de alta ,orita que vayamos a la pulga de Katia le decimos eso xD ,qe serie Argentina tan padriurix, qe talento Argentino, si me gusta la novela aunque sea para gente mas joven de edad :O

      2. What is wrong with peoples right to self determination? I am told by some Americans that Kashmiriess in India should have a right to secede …so why not the Nation of Aztlan?

        1. Why is it a Joke?
          I totally support free peoples right to self determination if they are persecuted.
          I want freedom for Tibetans as well. The country of Tibet has been occupied by the Han Chinese too.

  3. Whether Asians resent black purely due to their skin color or because they are victims of blacks crime and bully need deeper scrutiny.
    And Asians contempt those who screw around, never mind man or woman. A man is expected to carry out their duty towards their offspring. Else, he will be deemed a rascal and outcast.
    A woman is expected to remain chaste, although the standard has drop considerably over the pass decades.

    1. ‘Whether Asians resent black purely due to their skin color or because they are victims of blacks crime and bully need deeper scrutiny’
      I agree with this 1000%
      Asians have a love of order and civility. You can travel to most places in Asia and live in modern luxury and amenity. You can walk the streets at night not worried about your safety . You cannot do that in Africa. Compare China or Japan with Africa or Jamaica. Where would you rather live ?

  4. Middle Eastern” Americans will be the down fall of america.wake up.this muslim crap is a cancer and needs to be stopped asap.
    the koran talks about revenge and the bible talks about blessing your enemy’s and god will handle it.i have seen the revenge from god first hand.i can burn the bible and buy another one its not the book its what it says.
    they need a revelation from god to know he exists and they are just going on fanatasism.
    blacks are just as american as whites,they fought for this country.
    i dont really hate other kinds of people, just their belief system like muslims.
    all my family came here legally since 1640.fought and died since every war since then.
    asians have to come legally and many others but not mexicans.they are not bad people just desperate.parting word:arabs are the worst.

    1. Here Kevin, I fixed it for you:
      Nigger” Americans will be the down fall of america.wake up.this nigger crap is a cancer and needs to be stopped asap.
      the Torah talks about revenge and the bible talks about blessing your enemy’s and god will handle it.i have seen the revenge from god first hand.i can burn the bible and buy another one its not the book its what it says.
      they need a revelation from god to know he exists and they are just going on fanatasism.
      Middle Easterners are just as american as whites,they fought for this country.
      i dont really hate other kinds of people, just their belief system like Jews.
      all my family came here legally since 1640.fought and died as faggots since every war since then.
      asians have to come legally and many others but not mexicans.they are not bad people just desperate.parting word:blacks are the worst.

      1. Man Carlos,you must really hate blacks.somewhere in your life some black person did something to you that brought this anger out towards them.
        It happened to me when i was younger, but i see mid easterns advertising their religion with scarves and burpas and trying to get sharia law into our constitution,and believe me some greedy politician will let it happen one day.
        No one stopped a damn mosque from being built near groung zero.Swept under the table again,as usual in this country.
        I could go on and on but we cannot discuss this forever.
        like assholes opinions stink,everyone has one.the difference is, when we all think alike.

  5. South Indian dislike for anyone
    All Aryan and Dravidian Indians hate Chinese. Most will fire or play Chinese in office politics upon any opportunity. The Chinese emotions towards Indians are much milder, only contempt,
    Chinese has contempt for Aryan and Dravidian Indians. For people from places like Ladakhi, Arunachal or Manipur…etc, Chinese see them as one of our tribe.
    Chinese think Indians talk a lot, lazy, backstab, tell lies, brag a lot.
    But Indians’ incredible hate towards Chinese seems to puzzle me. Indians cannot find a reason why they hate Chinese, but they just hate Chinese. The 1962 Sino Indian War are cited as a main reason for Indians’ mad hate against Chinese, but I think Indians generally hate anything good, including white man.

    1. Actually most Indians do not hate the Chinese.
      But many Indians fear the Chinese. and the politics the Chinese play like using Pakistan as a proxy or try to use the Srilankans or wherever would help checkmate India. The Chinese feel they are the king of Asia in terms of civilization but India is seen as a cultural competition if not an economic competition.

        1. Thats why India should increase their nuclear arsenal and form a military alliance with Vietnam, South Korea, Japanese and the Philippines . But the leftist catholic woman from Itaaly and the Bengali commies bastardfs want to suck chiense balls..so they won’t do it.
          Only way India can be military strong is to become economically strong…but the socialist commies of Inida want to keep India poor and maintain their vote bank of 600 millions crawlling on the floor.

    2. “For people from places like Ladakhi, Arunachal or Manipur…etc, Chinese see them as one of our tribe.”
      But those people from LAdakh, Arunachal and Manipur do not look at the Chinease as one of their own.. Its an unrequited love from the chinese side.

    3. I as an Indian, love the Japanese people and old Smurai culture of honor and chivelry. I worked in Shinagawa for over 6 months. traveled a bit around Japan. Wanted to do the same in China..travel in China and meet rural chinese..not the city folks.

    4. ” but I think Indians generally hate anything good, including white man.”
      Ha Ha Nice try…”by association”. PFfft!
      I can speak for myself.. I do not have any dislike towards the white man or even Chinese for that matter.But I do loath and despise the primitive goat herding christian culture and the primitive christian doctrine of someone elese being sacrificed for the sines of others and that everyone one is born an ahole.(sinners).
      In terms of culture I find the following culture superior.in this order.
      1) Western Greek culture that gave the world Logic and medicine
      2) Dharmic culture that gave the world decimal system and zero and Pluralism
      3) Japanese culture of Honor and chivalry. The Ancient code of the Samurais.
      The Chinese claim their culture is superior and what not..but not really sure what they contributed to the world..except maybe Chinese cooking which I love.

      1. The Chinese gave us Confucianism, which is ethically superior to Hinduism and Buddhism. It is (according to Arthur Danto), arguably the only Asian philosophy that embodies a genuine moral idea, ie emphasizes a horizontal relationship between individuals instead of a solipsistic vertical relationship with the universe.
        Chinese Taoism, especially the principle of Wu Wei (minimal action that yields maximum efficiency), has also greatly influenced the Japanese martial arts and romantic imagery. The Ronin, wandering samurai figure, is essentially the taoist follower of ”the way”. Miyamoto Mushashi’s book of five rings (go rin no sho) is replete with Taoist imagery. The book of five rings also reflects the general Taoist distaste for the discursive intellect. Intact, it seamlessly blends Taoism with Bushido.
        Normally I wouldn’t waste a quality informative post like this one on a garbage commenter like you Manny, but I suspect that there are others who are not fully aware of China’s contribution to Asia’s common heritage. This post addresses their doubts.

        1. That’s is a bullshit lie that indo-faggots try and promote. The “martial arts” DID NOT originate in India. There is not a shred of evidence to back such a theory up. It’s just a fantasy that Hindu fan-boys promote on the intent to feel “tough.”
          Pathetic…

        2. YI first leard about it from a Taiwanese businessman about Bodhi Dharma.
          Most of this came from the Chinese themselves..not from the “Hindutav”.

      2. Manny Wrote:
        “2) Dharmic culture that gave the world decimal system and zero and Pluralism”
        The jury is still out as to the origin the concept of zero, the decimal system, chess, etc…Personally, I don’t by the Indian-origin theory. It’s being pushed by too many Hinduvata types.
        So, in the end…Dharmic culture gave the world squat, minus the Lama Sutra.

        1. so Carlos, what do You dream about? Your Mommad man who sleeps with 4 year olds or the Mythological Jesus who wants slay all competition when it comes to superstitions?

        2. So where do you come from Carlos?
          1) PAkistani Anti Hindu? (if not a Moslem) then this is out.
          2) Indian Muslim Anti Hindu. OK you say you are not a moslem..so this out
          3) Indian christian anti Hindu? Could be
          4) Bengali Hindu anti Hindu? Could be
          5) Just a garden variety christian ahole anti Hindu?
          6) Something new?
          😛

        3. So Carlos.. Since you have just totally fallen apart!
          Are you going to tell us where you are coming from? 😛

        4. Thanks Roberts.
          Ah. Let me take a guess. .So Carlos is proally one of those Shah of Iran supporters who looted Iran and hates the Islamist Khomeini types and goes around wearing a “Secular” credentials.. . So they lost the privileges of looting and now they are mad at Allah worshipers.
          Interesting! LOL ::P

        5. He is secular, not a Muslim. However, I would say that he is a “cultural Muslim.” I do not believe he is a Shahi or a supporter of the Shah. Not mad at Muslims at all. I think he is sympathetic towards the Shia. Just a modern secular guy who is not into religion, that’s all. He is a Left-wing socialist Iranian. Not sure how he feels about the current regime, but he is a typical Iranian nationalist type.

        6. LOL Fk..at least I admit that I am taking a shot.. Not proclaiming that they are fking gawd given truth. 🙂

        7. Robert Lindsay Wrote:
          He is secular, not a Muslim. However, I would say that he is a “cultural Muslim.” I do not believe he is a Shahi or a supporter of the Shah. Not mad at Muslims at all. I think he is sympathetic towards the Shia. Just a modern secular guy who is not into religion, that’s all. He is a Left-wing socialist Iranian. Not sure how he feels about the current regime, but he is a typical Iranian nationalist type.
          Pretty spot on, Robert.
          I personally detest the “Shahi” types, as any fellow Californian would understand. I do so on a purely moral ground, as they represent everything I hate. Elitism. Unregulated capitalism. Obsession with materialism. Arrogance. Shallowness. illicit stupidity.
          I view the Salafist/Wahabist “Muslims” as the scum of the Earth, but then any human being with even a remote notion of logic will. I view religious fanatics and any dogmatic ideologue with extreme concept. They, and their Saudi backers, are worse than the most disgusting of Evangelical rednecks one would find in America. Times ten. At least in the long run, they are screwed.
          I admire the current Iranian regime’s work for the poor, and the opportunities it made for many that would never have found it under the Shah’s system. They are much like communists/socialists in this regard. They also managed to turn the country into a 21st century industrialized state in some form. Something the Shah had started, but had severe problems erecting.
          At the same time, I despise their foreign policy, and obsession with the Arab World, and Arabs in general. They seem to care more about the damn Palestinians than they do their own people. Why an Iranian leader would ever find the need to mention Israel for any reason what so ever, is totally beyond me. There obsession with an “Islamic” identity for the nation, over that of a more “Persian”/Central Asian one is utter madness and insanity on more levels than I can even begin to count. In the long run, it’ll be their undoing.
          So in that regard, I am a “nationalist”…

  6. Sigh, another post, another thread ruined by Hindutva spamming.
    It’s like the Terminator films, where even if you eliminate one, more come off the assembly line to replace them.

    1. Don’t you love the Inter net Decade where when we post something..there are others out there who could challenge us..and expose our bullshit? This way monopolists who love to have captive audience tend to lose!
      And in this Internet Decade, people who had a monopoly on information like christian evangelicals for instance get challenged all over the place ..The far leftists in India who controlled the English Media loath the internet Decade..They even had an editorial on how the “Hintutvadies” are all over the Internet…they are falling apart and cannot stand up scrutiny/.
      REMEMBER
      TRUTH = GOD
      Not
      god = Truth (as in christian mythology as history and truth)
      😛

    2. I say one particular Spammer needs to be “terminated.” His objective is to ruin the blog, and have a blast doing it. He’s having the time of his life, at everyone else’s expense.
      He needs to go to white supremacist or Christian evangelical forum and battle his Paper Tiger. He’ll last about 15 seconds. That’s why he’s here, we’re foolish enough to tolerate it.

        1. Agnostic, actually. As in “believe it cannot be known for certain by a mortal.” Small point, no big deal. (It doesn’t actually mean “not sure”)
          Atheism, also, just means “lack of belief”. A lack of belief does not constitute a “belief.” But instead, it’s been made to sound like Atheism is when one is sure that there is nothing to any religion, when there is no way to know that for sure, either.
          To someone who is a believer, though, the Deist, Agnostic or Atheist are just three different faces of non-belief.
          I do, however, sincerely believe that Spmanny is a world-class douche-bag.

  7. I’d like to add my two pesos to this conversation.
    There is definitely some anti-black sentiment within the Mexican American population but I think it gets overstated and largely misunderstood. Within mainstream Mexico you have a wide variety “color” going on, from the European (mostly Spanish of course) to the Amerindians–and the Mestizos who can be just as dark. The word “negro” is so common and not even considered necessarily offensive within this Mexican context. There are also phrases like “pinche Indio” (f*ckin Indian) that’s used to denote someone who is uncultured (similar to how “redneck” or “hick” is often used in the US). It’s part of the odd (and self-cannibalizing) Mexican culture, but it’s not entirely intended to be mean-spirited.The point being; *some* of the seemingly anti-black sentiment coming from Mexicans and other non-Caribbean Hispanics in the US isn’t intended to be as harsh as it seems (especially by liberal white PC standards). The fact that many of the younger Hispanics actually pick up and emulate ebonic-style slang further testifies to this I believe.
    In fact, I’d argue that Mexican Americans often identify with blacks (at least here in CA) which is why you saw little/no support for Zimmerman and instead, a huge wave of Hispanics protesting the decision (I was not one of them, and I think any objective review of the evidence should leave one with no doubt that Zimmerman’s self defense testimony is consistent with the evidence).
    As far as anti-black sentiment coming from Japanese (and other NE Asians) people, I do believe some of this stems from literal FEAR of black people. I suppose you could argue that racism is a result of fear and therefore the difference is NULL, but I think there’s a difference between this and the literal condescension toward blacks.

    1. In my humble opinion the hatred for Blacks by East Asians,South Asians and MiddleEastern groups stems in large part from hatred for dark skin and Negroid features.
      You could think of it as how good looking people receive better treatment and opportunities in life relative to unattractive folks , and by the same token Black people are treated badly because of their phenotype.

  8. Dislike of certain attitudes and behaviors in any people is not racism. There are dislikes among all people for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes brothers hate brothers and sisters hate sister; children also hate their parents and murder them and more. Students murder their teachers and fellow students.
    One nation hating another is not racism. Throughout the centuries nations have gone to war and sometimes make peace and break treaties. America fought England to attain independence. European nations have fought each other. African nations have had tribal wars. Arawaks and Caribs fought. Ii was not about Racism. Racism is a story by it self. Racism was started by Europeans. They brought it to the West.
    Europeans have been plunderers and exploiters of other people for the sake of wealth. White supremacist are of European descent and are descendants Of Japheth a son of Noah. it seems he had the lightest skin tone. Ham was in first pace with his son Canaan owning the special land. Canaan was cursed by Noah and lost the land because Noah got Angry at Ham for not covering him. Shem was next in line for the blessing with Japheth dwelling in his tents and Canaan as their servant.
    Racism is about dividing people into class having a superior class of whites only, and blacks at the bottom as the most inferior. This is Racism. Read your bible ad you would see this was orchestrated by Satan himself through Europeans it has no biblical base. After helping Shem cover his father Japhet was still was not the chosen one through whom the messiah would have come. No one knows how he felt. When they come to truly know and love God like John Newton, they would begin to sing:
    “Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
    That saved a wretch like me….
    I once was lost but now am found,
    Was blind, but now, I see.
    T’was Grace that taught…
    my heart to fear.
    And Grace, my fears relieved.
    How precious did that Grace appear…
    the hour I first believed.
    Through many dangers, toils and snares…
    we have already come.
    T’was Grace that brought us safe thus far…
    and Grace will lead us home.
    Many of them have learned from Newton and have turned but sadly many have become worst. Read Acts 17:24-30
    When men are in rebellion against God they become Satan’s instrument to the destruction of others. Racism is a prideful thing of lifting up self as superior to others. Only one superior human being walked this earth ;his name is Jesus Christ; he loved everybody John3:16. He came to lift people up not push them down.
    Satan started this prideful thing in Heaven and was kicked out. His outward beauty could not help him . His heart was evil. He is trying the same thing on earth. The lifting up of self as superior to others. ‘Pride goeth before destruction and an haughty spirit before a fall’ says the book of Proverbs.

    1. Speaking of religion, I saw American Renaissance fans talking of how “they don’t understand why anyone would follow Christianity” because it is a “Third World religion”, simply because it was created in South West Asia, and not Europe. It’s very sad. Jared Taylor is generally a disgrace, in that rather than censoring this nonsense, he censors people who challenge this nonsense.
      Also, the commenter was clearly not bright enough to have some revisionist history;
      i.e. those people used to be White but then they mixed.
      the truth will set your free

      1. In many cases, some WNs have dumped Christianity and have resorted to racist neo-paganism. In other cases, as with the KKK or white idenity, they make up some BS wacko theology claiming whites are the real Jews and also denying they have to show love to NAMs.

        1. I think the most scary WNs are the highly educated ones, kind of like my math professor who brings up subliminal racism in every lecture. YIKES, CREEPY
          They just don’t get it, and I will get a little sentimental here: With all the science knowledge in the world, a lot of people just don’t have a heart. Everything is just facts and figures, and statistics.

        2. And even when these educated types try to sound like they have a heart, it’s so fake and comical.
          For instance, when the math professor said. “Oh, of course, if a Mexican falls into a ditch we should help him.” 😆

        3. Mexico is pulling itself out of the ditch (net migration at zero) now it’s the Central American countries…………………………

        4. what does your Math professor think of Arabs/Persians?
          Surely he realizes their advancements added to Mathematics?
          It is true that anti-Arab/Persian, people who chalk of the Islamic Golden age to “Jew propaganda” (cuz, you know Jews and Arabs are so tight these days), are perhaps the stupidest and most ignorant racists of all (even more so than Anti-Black, Anti-Hispanic, etc).

    2. As I said in another comment, but sort of ripped of WIlliam Playfair Web or whatever his new name is now, I think William, most of this hardcore stuff was motivated by bullied people. People bullied by other races. It’s so biased by hate you can’t have much faith in any of the stuff relating to science, beauty, or historical revisionism that they spout out all the time.

      1. It’s all silly to begin with.
        There’s this WN image floating around the internet showing a White cartoon character handing a rectangle labeled “civilization” to a Black cartoon character and saying “I made this”. The Black character then looks at it and says “I made this” (a stab at the Afrocentrists).
        But that’s really the case of how Europeans act with regard to Arabs. They are now completely ignoring the fact that civilization both started, and was propelled along by SW Asians.
        It spread to Southern Europe. Had it not been for Southern Europe aggression the Nordics would not have gotten it.
        Nordicism, at least historically, is one of the silliest things ever conceived.

        1. It doesn’t matter who created it. That’s a stupid argument which assumes ownership. For instance, if I listen to soul, or doo-wop, or hip-hop, then I got just the right (and the right to create it) as does an African American.

        2. OK next time one of these WNs listens to any kind of rock, blues, jazz etc.., then there commiting a crime cause whites didn’t create those generes. Whites didn’t create the banjo either, so if they pick thier all white bluegrass stuff, then they can’t use the banjo.

        3. True. I am curious, though, in a segregated America what will the Internet look like? I.e. Will a Black guy get lynched for saying a White lady is hot on fb? 😂

        4. Yeah good one. The internet didn’t exist during Jim Crow days. You only had radio and then in the 50s, television. I bet though television did a lot to destory barriers. That’s one reason Aparthiied South Africa didn’t allow TV until 1975.

  9. I think Blacks would be the most hated race in Cali by ALL races. I would also add that there is a lot of racism from South Indians against Pakistanis, and from Whites against Hispanics.
    Then there’s everyone against Muslims.

  10. All of you people’s comments about racism are utterly stupid and one-sided. It makes me chuckle to see how vastly ignorant people truly are. First of all, there are no such thing as different human races. This is a scientific fact. We are all the same race, the sams species and even the same subspecies Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Our differences are the same as the differences between different dog breeds and cat breeds. But you Don’t see dogs and cats setting themselves apart by breed, it just doesn’t happen. Racism is a human invention based more on cultural differences than on anything else.
    When I read peoples comments I am left speechless by the vast ignorance people have regarding race, history amd racism.
    Truth is ALL “Races” prefer their own people to a certain degree, unless they are already mixed or have lived in a very diverse environment. Whites generally prefer whites, Asians prefer Asians, so on and so forth. Whites are geneally considered superior by all races due to the historic success of white people. Mexicans are a mixture of Native American and Spanish (which is a Mediterranean Caucasian race) though they are mostly Native American I don’t care what anyone says to the contrary. Black Americans have a lot of white in them. Cubans, Puerto ricans and Dominicans are mostly mulatto (African and Spanish mix) but pure Africans (negroids) also exist, as do some pure caucasoids, although rare. All races including African-Americans themselves have traditionally descriminated against blacks because of their social status. Cultural differences and social perceptions are always the biggest barriers when it comes to racism.
    Names and classifications are ambiguous at best. White, black, hispanic and asian are very broad terms for such a complicated subject. What is “white”? what is “black”? What is “Latino”? Nobody can answer these questions with certainty, because they are human inventions, and not scientifically backed in any way. Caucasians for example, came originally from Asia (hence the name cauc-asian) and share many traits with west asians. So why do we refer to only East Asians as Asians?
    The hispanic/Latino race category is a complete joke and utterl absurdity. It is not an ethnicity, or a race in any remote way. It is merely based off Spanish being the mother language. If that were the case, then everyone in this forum is of the ENGLISH RACE by virtue of speaking english. How absurd is that? Hispanics according to the census are anyone from Latin America. Which means that a blonde Argentine of German descent, a Black Cuban of African descent, A Mexican Indian from Chiapas, A Peruvian of Asian descent and a Colombian of Middle Eastern deacent are ALL THE SAME RACE BECAUSE THEY SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE? (Even the language part isn’t always the same).
    America is based on the idea and notion of racism, even when it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. It’s part of our culture.

    1. Most of this stuff as I commented on Facebook, but it was deleted by a liberal, is motivated by bullying at some stage in someone’s life. The root of it is the bullying and then later they get into all this scientiifc mumbo jumbo crap and historical revisionism.

      1. Note there could be some kind of mild racist in the US who possibly wasn’t bullied, but you can count on the hardcore angry ones were bullied. For instance, someone might claim they disagree with Mexican immigration in a mild way as it may be a popular way to think.

        1. “they disagree with Mexican immigration in a mild way as it may be a popular way to think”
          Is that really racism?
          I think that much of the Hispanic crisis is only going to effect the Poor Whites,
          i.e. The wealthier Whites (and some Asian ethnicities) live up on the hill, in nice suburbs, away from the Hispanic’s squalor and Black’s crime and squalor.
          This is a lot of why Upper Middle Class Whites (and some Asian ethnicities) are like….”WTF?” when it comes to Da Furher.
          Trump supporters are uneducated, relatively, but have incomes that would not indicate that, possibly because many are older, have more established finances, etc., I would suppose.

        2. Well, of course. That’s why the working class is so annoyed with people like my 100,000, maybe 200,000 a year educated brother. They don’t live in the same world. Lefty college professors also don’t live in the same world.
          Generally speaking, types like my brother are very condescending people. They would be quick to call someone lazy, or an idiot if they didn’t make it in life. They would quickly point out faults like laziness, drug addiction which they caused by hanging with bad crowds, resistance to getting an education etc..
          My brother thinks that way cause that’s the attitude in college and also in the army. They just don’t care They put out the work for you to do, and if you don’t do it, then it’s your fault.
          Yes, I found it funny when my brother commented on prejudice against Mexicans, which of course that stuff is wrong, but he lives in such an isolated world with no real job competition (due to his education) that he can’t really understand how a loser would feel.
          Nonetheless, this isn’t a pity party for Trump, or validating Trump, only saying there is a major disconnect among social classes.

        3. “Yes, I found it funny when my brother commented on prejudice against Mexicans, which of course that stuff is wrong, but he lives in such an isolated world with no real job competition (due to his education) that he can’t really understand how a loser would feel.”
          Well, of course, I grew up in W.V., and were among many poor people, both Black and White. Hispanics and Asians around here were for some reasons the “crem de la crem”. Indeed, Blacks and Whites did about the same academically, Hispanics significantly better, and Asians blew all the groups out of the water.
          So…
          1. I thought the whole thing was silly, at least on the microlevel (I do understand stereotypes about the ghetto, etc).
          2. I honestly thought the poor Whites sort of acknowledged it was their fault, and weren’t going to blame the higher achieving (INFERIOR, apparently) Hispanics and Asians.

        4. I was into HBD even at the time I graduated High School, so I looked at what honors my classmates graduated with (Summa Cum Laude, Magna Cum Laude, Cum Laude, nothing)
          I found;
          Whites(non-Hispanic): 43% had an honor, 57% did not.
          Blacks(non-Hispanic): 44% had an honor, 56% did not.
          Hispanics (all races): 65% had an honor, 35% did not.
          Asians(non-Hispanic): 100% Had an honor, 0% did not.
          These results are of course generally surprising to HBDers.
          I would like to say two things, that could be more pro-HBD on this subject.
          W.V. Blacks are highly White, I’ve actually read the average 60% White.
          Although more Blacks had honors than Whites, the SD was narrower,
          I.E. Literally almost all of the Blacks with honors were Cum Laude, none were Magna Cum Laude, just a handful Summa.

        5. Trump is highly unpopular among young people in W.V.
          There are only a few Whites going for him, who are actually Black wannabes, they don’t do it for race, they just think he’s cool.
          Obviously, raised in my environment I would chalk up Whites with troubles, as simply “not achieving”, i.e. what people do about Blacks generally.

        6. I frequently visit Russell County Virginia which is 70 miles from Bluefield WV. So yes, the blacks there are pretty much almost white. Many of them look more like Somoans or Australian Aborgines.

    2. “The hispanic/Latino race category is a complete joke and utterl absurdity. It is not an ethnicity, or a race in any remote way. It is merely based off Spanish being the mother language. If that were the case, then everyone in this forum is of the ENGLISH RACE by virtue of speaking english. How absurd is that? Hispanics according to the census are anyone from Latin America. Which means that a blonde Argentine of German descent, a Black Cuban of African descent, A Mexican Indian from Chiapas, A Peruvian of Asian descent and a Colombian of Middle Eastern deacent are ALL THE SAME RACE BECAUSE THEY SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE? (Even the language part isn’t always the same).”
      Very true. I think we all know that here.
      The funny/sad thing, the White Nationalists, who should know more about “White History” and want to look beyond what their fed by the status quo, don’t seem to understand this. It’s also the only logical conclusion one can draw from his surroundings and taught in third grade. I understand that some people, especially White Nationalists/ the lower intellected, have no desire to, as Phil’s dad would say ‘learn about more than their immediate surroundings’, and that is a sad testament to WNs as a whole and our utterly crushed/ soon to be nonexistent nation of Americastan.

    3. To Felipe Hayes:
      All of you people’s comments about racism are utterly stupid and one-sided.
      Did you actually read the original post that started this discussion? It appears you didn’t – Mr Lindsay was commenting on how different (self defined) races / ethnicities of people treat in California each other, not whether races were necessarily valid at a biological/genetic level.
      But you Don’t see dogs and cats setting themselves apart by breed, it just doesn’t happen.
      Well they don’t build cities, have writing systems, build ships to transverse oceans, engage in large scale warfare, etc. Nor do humans sniff each others asses when they first meet a stranger like dogs.
      Caucasians for example, came originally from Asia (hence the name cauc-asian)
      That reminds of a joke about Cock-Asians. No – the word is basically a misnomer derived from the Caucasus mountains and applied to a broad range of people classified by defined by their skulls shapes ranging from Northern Africa, Europe, Western Asian, and India. The first Caucasians originated in Africa.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race#Origin_of_the_concept
      So why do we refer to only East Asians as Asians?
      Because people in the US from East Asian backgrounds wanted to be called Asian (replacing outdated terms such as Oriental or worse, ethnic slurs such as yellow man or slant eyed..).

  11. To William:
    Well, of course, I grew up in W.V., and were among many poor people, both Black and White. Hispanics and Asians around here were for some reasons the “crem de la crem”. Indeed, Blacks and Whites did about the same academically, Hispanics significantly better, and Asians blew all the groups out of the water.
    At least by the NAEP exams, in West Virginia, whites did better than blacks in Reading and Math but difference between two was the second lowest of all the states (Hawaii and schools associated with DOD had the lowest performance gap). I am guessing that many of the Blacks in Hawaii. The narrow gap in West Virginia was caused by a relative out performance of blacks especially compared to the South and Midwest and under performance by whites. So in some sense similar to your observations.
    http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/states/

    1. TJF-
      I am not aware of standardized test scores on this subject, I was merely referring to Grades, which I can assure were not “inflated” among non-Whites as some crack pot WNs seem to think.
      It does appear that the gap in 8th grade, is only about 1/3 of SD in terms of academic performance. We could hence say, using regression, that the intellectual gap is (1/3)(1/0.65)= about 0.51 SDs, meaning Blacks here are about half as Black as other Blacks, so 81/2= 40%, as I said above.
      0.65 is the correlation between academic success and IQ.

      1. I think everyone’s grade was inflated. In my all white pre-algebra class in 9th grade, the final was an open book! Also so many of the teachers were athletic coaches so during many classes we’d do nothing.

    2. Now, as for Asians, it is a perfect example of how well the study/work/etc.
      There were only 6 of them, and they all received an honor, whereas only 43% of Whites did, meaning that the dumbest Asian was 3 points above your average White on an IQ bell curve (if this were to correlate perfectly to IQ), and the median Asian would be 15 points brighter than that.
      With Hispanics,
      So…
      if we were to pretend this was IQ on a normal curve, with Whites and Blacks both having “100”;
      Blacks would have a narrower SD than everyone else, whose SDs would be about equal.
      Asians: 118 (wow!)
      Hispanics: 112 (65% were smarter than the dumbest Asian, so….they would be about 6 points below Asians)

      1. Syntax…argh, I’ll try again;
        Now, as for Asians, it is a perfect example of how well the study/work/etc.
        There were only 6 of them, and they all received an honor, whereas only 43% of Whites did, meaning that the dumbest Asian was 3 points above your average White on an IQ bell curve (if this were to correlate perfectly to IQ), and the median Asian would be 15 points brighter than that.
        So…
        if we were to pretend this was IQ on a normal curve, with Whites and Blacks both having “100”;
        Blacks would have a narrower SD than everyone else, whose SDs would be about equal.
        Asians: 118 (wow!)
        Hispanics: 112 (65% were smarter than the dumbest Asian, so….they would be about 6 points below Asians)

      2. I messed up with Hispanics….
        rather, they should be 6 points above the dumbest Asian, not 6 points below the average.
        So, they’d be 103+6= 109
        109, not 112

      3. To William:
        There were only 6 of them, and they all received an honor, whereas only 43% of Whites did..
        Your graduating class in high school..?

        1. yes.
          My point was that I, and probably other Whites there, were more likely to think that this whole “White victimhood” in many ways in nonsense. In our case it was simply that Whites underperformed.
          There are concerns with how Whiteness is looked upon as negative, and immigration/globalization concerns that effect Whites, but Jason, my fellow Appalchian is right to the extent that some Whites (not the working class- since they really don’t work) are goners-
          i.e.
          it’s a waste time with them more than ghetto Blacks. All I’m saying not to violate comments rules.

        2. It’s ok, you can say that some poor or working class Whites in Appalachia are goners. I mean it’s true.
          I just don’t want White BASHING or White working class BASHING, which we had a bit of here for a while.
          And no calling any White people losers based on how much money they make, ok? I am not going to allow that. As a matter of fact, I don’t really want anyone to call anyone a loser here because I disagree with the whole capitalist winners and losers bullshit. Capitalism treats life like it a sport or a road race. There are no winners or losers in life. As Galbraith says, in the long run, we are all dead.

        3. Don’t get me wrong- I am a strong Economic leftist, or at least I was (I’m a little pissed at the Proletariat right now), but the fact is that for everyone, Leftist policies are better.
          The economy of low growth rates, (since 2008, Obama’s “cautious” policy that Yellen is trying to unwind), has led to topheavy growth, for the time being, but that is unsustainable considering the lower class is screwed.
          You know the last time “Monetarism” was enacted on a large scale?
          Maggie Thatcher…you know what the result was?
          Well…I’ll just say that when she died “Ding dong the Witch is dead” rose to the top of the charts in the U.K.
          Obama has done a bad job with foreign policy, and although it may not seem like it, a good one in foreign policy. We could have a bigger mess on our hands than what we do now (imagine if we at WAR with ISIS how many more of these home grown nutcases there would be).

        4. True, not as an attack on the white working class, but it is true some whites are chronic neer do wells.

  12. Whoops – ” I am guessing that many of the Blacks in Hawaii.” Forgot to add probably came to Hawaii originally because of the US military.

    1. Pacific Islanders, Asians, and Hispanics are also racist against blacks, but bitch 24/7 if some white person is racist against Pacific Islanders, Asians, and Hispanics, respectively. What hypocrisy !!

  13. The worst types of racism I have seen,
    are
    1. Black against Asian. Really nasty stuff,
    and
    2. White against Hispanic.
    I suppose White versus Black would be 3 and Black versus White 4, but that’s rare. White against Asian is 5, but all that’s rare.
    Anything else is negigble.

    1. To William:
      The worst types of racism I have seen,
      are
      1. Black against Asian. Really nasty stuff,
      and
      2. White against Hispanic.
      I suppose White versus Black would be 3 and Black versus White 4, but that’s rare. White against Asian is 5, but all that’s rare.
      Anything else is negligible.

      Are you talking about West Virginia..? There are enough Blacks and Asians to make “Black against Asian” an issue..? Or is this based upon your experiences elsewhere?

      1. Where I live is slightly more diverse than the rest of the state (we are, I believe, 91% White, 6% Black, 2% Hispanic, and 1% Asian), with the youth being slightly more diverse at 16% non-White,
        but it’s still obvious. Although guys don’t give a fuck and the smarter kids didn’t either, Poor Black Girls would just consistently rip into Asian girls, making fun of their looks, etc. Making anti-Asian stereotypes/references, barely stopping short of using racial slurs,
        but that’s got to be the worse racism I’ve witnessed, and I’d hate to see large scale interactions in that regard.
        Also, it is perhaps more plausible if you believe in “Ethnic Genetic interests” were one shows more Altruism towards a person the closer their race is.
        I.E. Blacks are the furthest from Asians, especially in genetic distance and on the R-K spectrum, so they naturally have some issues.

        1. To William:
          Poor Black Girls would just consistently rip into Asian girls, making fun of their looks, etc. Making anti-Asian stereotypes/references, barely stopping short of using racial slurs,
          I.E. Blacks are the furthest from Asians, especially in genetic distance and on the R-K spectrum, so they naturally have some issues.
          I pin that behavior entirely on a culture- a culture of resentment.
          1) In the US blacks are given the most latitude to make racist comments.
          2) Poor blacks are on the bottom of the economic totem pole.
          3) In the US Black women are perceived to be at the bottom as a desirable partner whereas Asian women are not.
          4) Lower class Blacks and Whites perceive Asians to be uncreative nerds / suck ups who study too hard.
          5) In your area blacks are outnumbered by whites 15 to 1 but they outnumber Asians 6 to 1. Verbally harassing whites would lead to social ostracism but Asians are few in number and perceived to be non violent.
          Given the above, If you are resentful of your station in life who would you most likely denigrate…?

    2. Black against Asian would have it’s root in economic oppression by Asians on blacks, and also the fact Asians don’t kiss the ass of blacks like whites do cause they don’t believe they owe them anything.

  14. To William:
    There are concerns with how Whiteness is looked upon as negative, and immigration/globalization concerns that effect Whites, but Jason, my fellow Appalchian is right to the extent that some Whites (not the working class- since they really don’t work) are goners- i.e. it’s a waste time with them more than ghetto Blacks.
    I’m 35 years older than you and grew up around plenty of whites that would be considered rednecks and lower income (not ghetto) blacks. The large majority worked and generally had a reasonable work ethic. Globalization and subtle (sometimes no so) belittling of the working class have had a rather negative effect, The upper class/elites have become even more separated from the lower classes and some (On the Left and Right) appear to be engaged in actively smearing their “uncivilized” genetic cousins. Of course there has always been disdain of the lower classes by the upper class (Faulkner illustrates this well and the British made a fine art of it) although it is no longer fashionable in upper class circles to denigrate blacks (except in an oblique manner) but for the most part little quarter is given for poor whites. Yes I know there are many problems in rural America (and I suspect West Virginia may be a bit more acute version of this) but I suspect you may have a bit of confirmation bias. I would say things are a bit different on the West coast and if you moved here, eventually you’d agree.

    1. The West coast is surely different.
      Appalachia has been historically isolated.
      There is a theory around here that Appalachian people just stuck around, because they were not as smart to make Journeys, much like how Detroit had an intellectual brain flee, and is now 84% made up of disproportionately lesser-intellected Blacks;
      https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/05/12/low-iq-towns/
      Coal has lost jobs not to illegals, but to mechanization, and hence lots of people are out of work.
      The GOP brainwashed them with “a war on coal”, they
      1. Could not recognize it was being mechanized, and jobs would be going
      2. The need for something new.
      Now we’re fucked. No Illegals in site.
      It has created a backwards culture, and I’m just saying, that although I’m sure it’s different in most other places, we’re 94% White, have virtually no illegals (White people are all store clerks, repairmen, lawn mowers, etc., not Mestizos), and that blaming “Mexicans and Muslims” for their problems is the most ridiculous thing ever
      Although I emphasize with other regional issues (I grew up lower Middle class), when I hear Appalachian Whites blame Mexicans and Muslims for their issues, I think “you blithering Idiots have two people to blame, the GOP YOU elected”.
      It’s like, I suppose, when you hear Mexicans are oppressed by “La Raza”. It’s just silly.

      1. To William:
        The GOP brainwashed them with “a war on coal”, they
        1. Could not recognize it was being mechanized,

        I thought mechanization happened more than a decade ago?
        It was my understanding that the big change recently (past 5 years) was due to a switch to cheap natural gas (large increase of supply because of fracking). However there is some truth that the decline in part was caused or accelerated by increased EPA regulations.

        1. TJF-
          I hate to say, that is blatantly false.
          Do you remember the 2010 Upper Big Branch Mine disaster?
          The extent of the “War on Coal” was not “EPA regulations”, but forcing the Mining Safety Administration to recuse itself from that case (it was PROVEN that they turned a blind eye towards the lack of installation of a proper ventilation system), and then big, bad Obummer made the FBI step in.
          It was for the Security of the workers (i.e. serious, high risk life and death matters). It became propagated as a war on coal.
          It’s just some of the “beat your head against the wall” type nonsense- you can’t believe these people fell for it.
          The CEO of the Company responsible DID go to Prison, eventually, after a John Grisham book style leadup.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Blankenship

      2. That’s interesting. Well, in East Tennessee we are flooded with illegals (especially Morristown TN) but not West Virginia (both East Tennessee and West Virginia are in Applachia, but West Virginia is more Appalachian). OK, since most West Virginians lack education and financial power, you’d see more of them doing jobs normally outsourced to East Indians, Mexicans etc..

        1. East Tennessee has more money, mainly due to factories like The Eastman etc.. Possibly also more foreign people come in cause of interstate 81 possibly brings in people from the northeast etc..

        2. I hate to get close to violating the comment rules, and TJF will probably scoff at this, but in W.V. at least with the “underclass” many WILL NOT work.
          I know this for a fact;
          There was a massive shortage of labor at a Chicken Plant, in Hampshire County, so they began to increase incentives, etc. for the underclass to come and join. They got a few “working class” people who switched jobs, etc., but it still wasn’t enough. They began to bus in people from Cumberland, Maryland, STILL wasn’t enough. So they then began to hire/sponsor African and West Indian Black immigrants (maybe they are racist against Latinos, IDK ;), just shows how “anti-labor” those big bad bosses were).
          Although it may not be true on a large scale, SOME White people, will REFUSE to “do the work the illegals are doing”.
          Probably not on a large scale, but there are instances of it.

        3. these immigrants were of course legal….
          so how much of a benefit were they getting?
          I suppose they’d be too timid to unionize……but unions are dead, because of Neo-Reactionaries, etc.

        4. I hate to get close to violating the comment rules, and TJF will probably scoff at this, but in W.V. at least with the “underclass” many WILL NOT work. I know this for a fact.

          There are proletarians, and there were lumpen proletarians or lumpens. You can attack lumpens all you want, although I am probably one myself. In Marx’s classic paragraph on lumpens, he described one of their components as “aging roues,” and this is precisely what I am now and hopefully will be all the way to the end. Don’t know what a roue is? Look up the word! It’s a cool word from French that is rarely used, but there are no real synonyms.

          There was a massive shortage of labor at a Chicken Plant, in Hampshire County, so they began to increase incentives, etc. for the underclass to come and join. They got a few “working class” people who switched jobs, etc., but it still wasn’t enough. They began to bus in people from Cumberland, Maryland, STILL wasn’t enough. So they then began to hire/sponsor African and West Indian Black immigrants (maybe they are racist against Latinos, IDK ;), just shows how “anti-labor” those big bad bosses were).

          Do you have any idea what a shitty job working in a chicken plant is? That is one of the worst jobs on Earth. These working class Whites want to work but only at a halfway decent job. A lot of working class Whites will refuse to work at a real crappy job like that. I suppose in this case those L1 and L2 Labor Visas might actually make sense. I know Mexicans will do jobs like that though. Mexicans, even legal ones, will probably work in a chicken plant.

          Although it may not be true on a large scale, SOME White people, will REFUSE to “do the work the illegals are doing”. Probably not on a large scale, but there are instances of it.

          I will disagree with you saying that these people will not work. Instead they will work at at a decent job. They will however refuse to work at this shit, bottom of the barrel jobs like working in a chicken plant, which is as bad as it gets. Although Communist countries had no problems getting people to work in slaughterhouses, fish processing and chicken plants. I wonder why that is.
          If you want to complain about working class people refusing to work at the worst jobs on Earth, I am ok with that. That is not a Comments violation.

        5. Interestingly it’s debateable whether whites could have handled the subtropical heat in the antebellum south. Perhaps genetically and medically speaking the white working class in the south could not do it. However, some whites did do it, at least later, as we saw with Johnny Cash’s family.

        6. You can always wear a mask at a chicken plant. Big deal. I used to raise 4-H club chickens when I was a kid. I loved it.

        7. If anything the job picking vegetables is massively worse than a chicken plant cause the workers are exposed to cancerous pesticides.

        8. Robert-
          the point was, and I believe you said this, that the notion of “There are no Jobs White men won’t do”, is not universal.
          It’s a job, nonetheless.
          It verifies the “Mainstream Left” notion that illegals are doing the jobs the Whites won’t do TO AN EXTENT.
          It’s not universally true, of course, rather, it’s probably more often false than not true. But this “all Whites are the victims” and “ALL Whites are (hundreds of thousands of “praising adjectives) people”, as perpetrated by Jared Gaylor, Donald Dump, Mann Coulter, and Stefan Moly-Jew, is utter nonsense.
          IF they had to live in an underclass trailer park in Appalachia (all White, mind you) they would not feel the way they do.
          Just like if Shrillery had to live in Lagos….
          it’s the same type of idea 😉

        9. “I will disagree with you saying that these people will not work. Instead they will work at at a decent job. They will however refuse to work at this shit, bottom of the barrel jobs like working in a chicken plant, which is as bad as it gets.”
          With all due respect, that’s sort of saying “Whites are inherently entitled to these jobs” more than non-Whites. And, considering the fact these people are probably just as smart/crime ridden, as the Mexicans, etc., I find that to be unfair, and an example of,
          “I’m a lowlife loser but I’m better than Obozo cuz he’s Knee-grow”….
          a la, Alt-Reich, WNs, etc.
          As in ALL Whites are better than ALL non-Whites.

    2. I LIKE working class Whites. Yes they are backwards and vote reactionary, but for some reason, I don’t hate them for that. I am not even sure if they are all that racist. Here in California, all White racism is pretty much verboten, so you never really meet any racist Whites. The few that I met up in the mountains actually had some money. And their racism was quite low key. They hung out at a coffeeshop and I showed up there once with my best friend who was Black. They were taken aback a bit but honestly they just did not care. The only racism I saw was one guy would tell nigger jokes and the others would laugh. But that guy was a former heroin addict who had done 20 years in San Quintin, so maybe he had his reasons.
      I think all this crap about how horribly racist Whites are just does not fly out here in California because honestly you see little if any White racism here. Furthermore, almost all Whites have an aggressive, SJW type antiracism about them such that you can’t even mention race or bring it up. It’s like it is an illegal topic.
      This town is full of Mexicans, but the Whites that have remained here either like Mexicans or have made their peace with them. My perception is that working class Whites often hit it off with Mexicans pretty well and vice versa.
      Not a whole lot of problems between those two. In this town, if you hate Mexicans, you should not even be living here because they are everywhere. Furthermore, you see Mexicans all the time around here who are either White, best characterized as White, or mostly White. They’re like…everywhere. Mexicans around here are hella White. Maybe not pure, but many are more White than Indian.

      1. Racism against Blacks among Whites here is uncommon, but because Blacks are such an extreme minority (4%), it’s still stronger than Black on White racism (Blacks HAD to learn to get along, their weren’t even enough of them to have their own communitie(s)).
        There used to be not much racism among Hispanics (or Asians) but rather than genuine racism, Trump has conned their guillable asses not into saying “now I can say what I’ve always thought” but in instilling new ideas.
        My mother, who is half-Appalachian (the other half Old-Virginia slavers) has often said “they’re all retarded”.
        This view is common among Whites.
        Intellectual Whites in W.V. have a lot in common with Black HBDers, in that they are “Hillbilly/White Underclass” realists. Lol.

        1. Three is actually terrible racism against Asians or friends of Asians in Appalachia, mostly motivated by jealousy.

      2. When I saw my Maternal Grandmother last month for her 80th Birthday, we talked about Trumpenproletariat. She was not supporting him (she, has been a Republican since 1957, and had supported Ben Carson, whom her nephew had been an acquintance with),
        and rather than worrying about Mexicans, Blacks, or even to a lesser extent Muslims, she was more worried about how these underclass Whites, the Fourth class were now represented by a major Political party- HER GOP.
        She has an IQ of 136 and was a Biochemist, so I suppose she is immune to some working class pangs, at least now, but her father was a farmer turned coal miner (after the depression).
        and, anyway, these views are NOT uncommon in Appalachia.

      3. What I hate are preachy liberal people in Facebook, because I don’t have the same freedom they do without being called gay or a wuss. For instance, this one lady in our family posted a video about Occupy Democrats against racism. So I spoke what I thought, and even in what I wrote I said “I will probably be hated for saying this…”
        See this lady lives somewhere isolated from my conservative family and conservative whites, but I have to deal with the fallout of what I say. So that annoys me and I wish this self righteous and usually hypocritical lady would shut up.
        Note all I said,”Was that people became racist due to bullying 99 percent of the time, and then she deletes my comment after about 30 minutes or so.”
        Also among blacks is the same, you cannot speak your mind without being hated, so again they get annoyed but non-sugar-coated truth. That’s the problem with having black friends on social media.

        1. To Jason Y:
          I basically make zero comments that could be remotely construed as controversial these days.
          A woman who lives in another part of the country, whom I’ve known for 25 years dropped me as a friend when I made a post about Barack Obama and Sarah Palin being distant cousins. I asked her why she dropped me but she never replied (although it’s true Obama and Palin are distant cousins I was clearly not being serious and implied nothing by it). http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1320094/Obama-related-Sarah-Palin-George-W-Bush.html

        2. If you go far enough back, everyone is related to everyone.
          Obama’s mother is European, and he’s related to pretty much everybody in a higher tier of government, every previous President, etc.
          If you go far enough back……….

        3. If I made a comment on my own timeline saying that bullying is the main source of racism, then I will get massive fallout where I live. I’m really tempted to do it. But I’m chicken cause I don’t really want to deal with the hassle right now.
          Also, people think your being a wuss whenever you say sensitive stuff like that. They think your talking about yourself. So that’s the big problem, along with the fact people are racist against blacks here, and any mention of anti-racism, even with some concessions admitting blacks bully etc… will get fallout.

        4. I post it in various groups/comments sections, etc. I don’t try to post stuff too much on my wall.

        5. I.E.
          right now…I could post….
          “GOP convention tokenism…every family member who speaks about their family member being killed by an illegal has an accent- the majority of them Latin American accents”….
          Do I care?
          No!
          It’s shock-Jockeying!
          but I’ll post it here.
          It’s absolutely true!

  15. TJF-
    it’s a completely different culture.
    My mother’s mother is from central W.V. and is Scottish and German/Czech in descent.
    Her brother-in-law, and uncle were on welfare, and this was many years ago……….
    You had four classes;
    1. Rich (coal fellows)
    2. Middle Class (shop owners, etc.)
    3. Working poor/Poor with dignity/class
    4. Trash, utter trash.
    It was a tough life, and there were those who wanted to deal with it, and those who did not. Those who tried to deal with purposefully tried to differentiate themselves from it (i.e. her parents went through the trouble of explaining third versus fourth class).
    The third class was not racist against Blacks, which is odd for anybody in the early 1900s. They believed that the fourth class Whites were just stupidly blaming them for their own failures.
    What I am saying has been a common belief among Whites in Appalachia for a long time. Jason and I tend to agree more than we disagree on this, he sees it too.

  16. Basically, TJF, there was always an extremely strong White “underclass” in Appalachia. Working class Whites acknowledge this, and even tried to isolate themselves from it, preferring the company of Blacks to the White underclass.
    Where you live there probably wasn’t a White underclass
    NOTE;
    UNDERCLASS IS DIFFERENT THAN “WORKING CLASS” IN THIS POST.

    1. I suppose he’s referring to white meth and pill-heads. Exactly and they steal, take advantage of people etc.. and most working or middle class people want to avoid them.

      1. It’s very difficult to NOT be racist against this white underclass. Especially they become annoying if they worm their way into your family thru marriage.

      2. Indeed. There was obviously a massive difference between working class and underclass, my Grandmother’s Brother (who died last month) was essentially ostracized for marrying an underclass woman…..just the same, if he had shacked up with a Black woman.
        Appalachian Whites made this caste system, long before “Political Correctness”!

  17. To William:
    I hate to say, that is blatantly false.
    Do you remember the 2010 Upper Big Branch Mine disaster?
    The extent of the “War on Coal” was not “EPA regulations”

    I am sure some would claim going after Massey coal for flagrant violations was part of a war on coal I don’t agree with that at all. But changes in EPA policy combined with a marked decline in natural gas prices due to a large increase in cheap natural gas encouraged electric power companies to rapidly switch away from coal for electrical generation.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-natgas-coal-idUSKCN0UY2LT
    http://www.power-eng.com/articles/print/volume-119/issue-6/features/coal-to-gas-plant-conversions-in-the-u-s.html
    Mind you I am not against moving away from coal as the main source of electrical generation in the US as natural gas is much cleaner than bituminous coal.

    1. TJF-
      fracking also hit a boom in our state (natural gas extraction)- however it was just in the Northern Part of the state. That was wreaking havoc on the citizenry (many will get cancer, sinks were essentially Bunsen burners, etc.) so it was stopped.

  18. To William:
    All very true. I will also denounce that behavior among Blacks, as I did with Whites.
    As you probably know I used you in the rhetorical sense and I don’t believe you would follow the same path as the poor black women who bully Asian women. I’ve been around Southern whites who cynically joke how sh*t rolls down hill in screwed up families. Husband beats wife – wife beats bigger kids – bigger kids beat smaller kids – small kids abuse animals.
    (As an aside – I think there is Chinese saying something along the lines of “Today they call me chink but one day they’ll call me boss”).

  19. To William:
    There was a massive shortage of labor at a Chicken Plant, in Hampshire County, so they began to increase incentives, etc. for the underclass to come and join.
    How did they advertise these positions and what was the pay..? What were the massive incentives an increase from $7.50 to $8.50 an hour..? Understand that the take home pay for such work adjusted for inflation of necessities in 1973 was $18 an hour. Without fully understanding what the company was offering and what their screening process they used for employment we can not fully evaluate the validity of their work shortage.
    I read babble almost daily about Silicon valley not be able to find enough qualified workers. In the meantime this 50 something guy with more 20 years (and multiple awards) of verifiable work experience is getting interviews but not getting hired (I am not alone). One recruiter admitted to me that her client had interviewed 14 prospective hires in the last 3 months but chose none of them. According to her all candidates had multiple years of experience. Reminds me of the schleps looking to date beautiful 21 year old virgins. Keep on chasing those unicorns boys – I am sure you’ll succeed in catching one.
    I hate to get close to violating the comment rules, and TJF will probably scoff at this, but in W.V. at least with the “underclass” many WILL NOT work. I know this for a fact.
    No, I fully realize there are highly dysfunctional whites that shirk work any way possible and are effectively unemployable, the Soviet Union had a term for this “social parasitism” – you can find this attitude anywhere at some level even among Asians on the West coast (I know of a Chinese immigrant guy who lived off his prostitute wife’s wages – most of his day was spent drinking, smoking, and playing cards).

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