[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp3-GmILyPg I was amazed looking at this video how Caucasian these people look. They don’t look like Black people at all, and modern Egyptians are even Blacker than the ancients. They look like Caucasians, and I was surprised how many many of them had pale White skins and blatant Europid phenotypes. Even the Arabid phenotype just looks like a White person with a funny nose and a tan. They’re simply desert-adapted Caucasoids. Sure, they have a little bit of Black in them. So what? The overwhelming majority of the genome is Caucasoid. US Blacks have more White in them than the average Arab has Black. Therefore, US Blacks are not Black, instead they are White? Give it up. Arabs are Whites, get over it. Further, Arabs consider themselves White. I am friends with some local Yemenis, and I told them they are White just look me and they gave me the thumbs up. They’re not only White, they’re White Priders! WPWW camel jockeys! “Of course we are White,” they said. They differentiate themselves from Blacks, who they consider a different race. They told me that there are many Blacks in Yemen, but they referred to them as if they were a different race. I also told them that the original European Whites were Arabids. If you go back 12,000 years, the European phenotype and genes look Arab. “So Arabs are the original Europeans. They’re the original Whites,” I told them. “Of course we are,” they said. “We know this.” Look closely at the Arabid phenotype. It’s Caucasoid, and in many cases, it’s downright Europid. So they have brown skin, so what. Caucasian doesn’t equal White. Many Caucasians have pretty dark skins. A White person with a tan is still White. Pan-Aryanism!
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12 o’clock sun effect. Sand soot effect prismatic effect. Clearly Egyptians are some dark and dumb fuckers. Pan-Aryanism. LOL. You are welcome to it. India+Egypt+Germany. Triangulated loserville for all time.
I’ll take Korea+China+Japan. You can have your shit all you want.
Yes! Caucasians FTW!
I’ll take the Pan-Aryan triangle anyday over the insect eating, rhino poaching, wild life slaughtering, yellow monkey Korea+China+Japan triangle
Korea+China+Japan=Shit of knockoffs of loserville, white wannabe, plastic dolls, falling apart due to their shitty knock off nature LoL.
i can post tons of videos of whites wanting to be asian, in particular japanese, besides i have a video to proof that anime characters don’t look only caucasian nor asian, they can have every type pf look, but most of the time they look extremely cartoonish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCH-s10taBE
Regardless of the video South Koreans do say they want to be white. Check out cnn report on it.
how about Germany + Japan? Eurasians FTW 😛
Arabs are now white? Lol.
Well, I don’t think you’re going to fool anyone into thinking these guys are white: http://911review.com/myth/imgs/fbi_hijackers.jpg
Arab isn’t a race, it’s an ethno-cultural group. Many Arabs are overwhelmingly Western Eurasian in ancestry and resemble Europeans. Many are brown skinned with Caucasoid features. Many are mixed with African.
Most don’t look all that African though. Those that are mostly African are pretty much Black. I suppose some Arabs are basically Black as opposed to basically White, or perhaps more properly mulattos, but that’s not true of most of them.
They all look White to me. They’re White people, Caucasoids. And they look more or less Europid too. All Caucasoid are White, basically. Caucasian means White.
Pan Aryanism FTW!
ALL??? Dude, I’m a black man and that sounds ridiculous even to me. There are a few guys on that photo that look like they could come from southern India. So people with dark brown features are “white” now?
I have to say, your version of racial classification is rather peculiar.
Well, some White people (Caucasians) have brown skin.
All prophets are Arabs / All of them are White
Probably many Arabs are descended from the Mitanni and other Indo -European tribes that swept through the Eurasian continent.
Egypt does look fascinating in that video. I’ve always thought Cairo would be an amazing place to visit. Everyone I know that’s been there says it’s unforgettable.
Holy shit!!! To think that now I have the seal and stamp of approval from the Lindsay himself!!!
Hooray!! Now I am going to bully those Japes and white wannabe East Asians, who think that just by copying and then being close to a “whrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttrrree wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrromrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeenn”, in a picture supposedly makes them a superior master race. HA HA HA HA Koreans and Japanese thinking they are some sort of white related race so they can get some blonde beauty ROFMAO!!! Those silly East asians, I can get much more then you, isn’t that right Huax and Hacienda?
Still wondering what you think “looking African” means as you have admitted yourself, African has the greatest genetic diversity of any so-called race.
Look like a Black person. Look like a member of the African Race.
What is typical of the “African Race”?
Dev, I’d be less worried about this and more worried about either your eyesight or pattern recognition skills.
A 5 year old could look at a few pictures of Africans and give you a general run down of features. Maybe you should find a five year old to do this for you.
Egyptians share recent ancestry with West Africans via Haplogroups E1b1b and E1b1a. A common male ancestor who lived in Central or East Africa 25,000 years ago (Haplogroup E1b) gave rise to populations in both North Africa (E1b1B) and West Africa (E1b1A).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1_(Y-DNA)
E1b1B arose 20,000 years ago in East Africa and spread north into Egypt, North Africa, Greece and South Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b_(Y-DNA)
The main Y chromosome in Egypt today is E1b1B, of African origin. The current Egyptian population is representative of Ancient Egypt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt
The “expansion” of E1b1B North through Egypt reached Southern Europe and Greece.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml
Albert Einstein is from this recent Haplogroup – E1b1B. See genetic studies on Ashkenazi Jews : 10-20% of E1b1B – of recent African ancestry. hmmm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Y-DNA_of_Ashkenazi_Jews
http://www.e1b1b1-m35.info/2011_02_01_archive.html
E1b expanded into West African 20,000 years ago via a different descendant “E1b1A”. This haplogroup E1b1A is seen only in West and South African Many Afro Americans have this haplogroup.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1a_(Y-DNA)
The Nilotics of Sudan such as the Dinka and the Masai are in the East African subclade (E1b1B) rather than the West African (E1b1A).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilotic
These population splits, between West and East Africans, happened 20,000 years ago. This was therefore 30,000 years after the original “Out of Africa” expansion – that produced 90% of non Africans some 50,000 years ago. Appears some people stayed behind in Africa…
The Egyptians were indigenous to the Nile Valley for at least 13,000 before present. There is no evidence of a wholesale invasion. The most common Egyptian y-chromosome is E1b1b. It has a recent African origin of 20-30,000 years. It is prevalent in “negroid” populations south of Egypt such as the Dinka and the Nuba. Its sister clade E1b1a is common in West African.
http://www.imagineafrica.co.uk/Sudan/Sudan_in_Pictures
In America an Ancient Egyptian would have been classified as “black” based on the fact they are an ancient population of indigenous Africans with contributions from Asiatic dna (Haplogroups J and K).
Look man, Y-chromosomal haplogroups do not determine the racial makeup of your genome. I could be a pure blood black and have haplogroup R1b1a12. Your autosomes (including the X chromosome) determines your racial makeup. Egyptians aren’t black, I am black. Neither are Jews. In fact, Jews have NO Sub Saharan genes on the autosomal charts, which is the only thing that matters.
Well, it’s not surprising that Egyptians and all the other north Africans are more white than black, the Med sea is a pond compared to the vast graveyard of the Sahara.
OMG, OMG, the holy city of caucasoid (i.e.White) India full of high caste Aryans:
http://www.awaygowe.com/?p=1729
Knew you’d love it, Robert… any comment?
Oh, btw, dare I recommend blue lassi from lassi dudes? Looks awesome!
3 cheers for the Pan-Aryanism! ^o^
Dear Robert
In racial terms, we may compare a country like Egypt with Argentina. In Argentina pure whites must be about 70% of the population. The other 30% have Amerindian admixture in various degrees. Similarly, about 70% of Egyptians must be pure or nearly pure whites, but the other 30% are not.
Regards. James
Durr,
Nice intellectual response. Your brilliant contribution is very much appreciated.
Dev, you’re either intellectually dishonest or an idiot. Probably just dishonest because like I said, even a five year old could tell you what facial features are common in Africans if you showed them a few pictures.
Again, resulting to ad hominems. I can see you are a very worthy debate opponent.
Again, you are unable to differentiate between features of black and white people, unlike 99.9% of the population familiar with the two groups. It sounds like you are also unable to find a five year old to explain it to you, so I guess we’re at a standstill here.
This is why white nationalism isn’t based on science. What Jared Taylor considers white is a social construct.
White nationalism is pretty much pro aryan people. Not a pro-caucasian one.
Egyptians share recent ancestry with West Africans via Haplogroups E1b1b and E1b1a. A common male ancestor who lived in Central or East Africa 25,000 years ago (Haplogroup E1b) gave rise to populations in both North Africa (E1b1B) and West Africa (E1b1A).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1_(Y-DNA)
E1b1B arose 20,000 years ago in East Africa and spread north into Egypt, North Africa, Greece and South Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b_(Y-DNA)
The main Y chromosome in Egypt today is E1b1B, of African origin. The current Egyptian population is representative of Ancient Egypt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt
The “expansion” of E1b1B North through Egypt reached Southern Europe and Greece.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml
Albert Einstein is from this recent Haplogroup – E1b1B. See genetic studies on Ashkenazi Jews : 10-20% of E1b1B – of recent African ancestry. hmmm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Y-DNA_of_Ashkenazi_Jews
http://www.e1b1b1-m35.info/2011_02_01_archive.html
Look, man,Albert Einstein is not black. It doesnt matter what his Y chromosome or his mitochondrial DNA says. What matters is his autosomes.
It’s oversimplifying things to claim Arabs are white. That’s an extremely American perspective. WN’s are Pan-Aryans.
Arabs, Mizrahi Jews are a Semitic race. You know the linguistics. I happen to believe it was those same Semites that built Ancient Egypt, Babylon and Assyria before being invaded by Aryan forces from Central Asia to build the Persian empire.
Semites did not build Ancient Egypt or Sumer. No academic will dispute this, because Ancient Egyptian is not a Semitic language, and neither is Sumerian. Both are language isolates but the former is included in the broader Afro-Asiatic category.
Arabs are Semitic but they did not build Egypt or Bab or Sumer.
First mistake of the OP is assuming Egyptians are Arab / Arabid. Egyptians are culturally Arab, they are not real Arabs. The real Arabs are the Khaleeji Arabs aka Gulf Arabs/Penninsula Arabs.
Egyptians have some Arab genetic from Islamic Arab invaders mixing with the local Egyptian women, SOP for invading males to do with the conquered population. Majority of the Egyptian Y-DNA is pre Islamic . Arab Islamic conquerers did not wipe out the majority of the local males.
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Having lived in the Middle East; Egyptians have a look distinct from Levantines and Gulf Arabs. Some do look Mediterranean caucasoid while others don’t.
Pharonic dna is mostly European R1B1
Thank you very much. This is what I thought.
Source?
Bet he (interested person) responds with the claim by that Swiss DNA testing outfit of Tut being a European R1B clade. The claim ofcourse is without merit as Egyptologists / Supreme Coucil of Antiquities have never released Tut’s Y-DNA.
Thats not true at all, because the haplogroups of the Pharoahs have never been released.
R1B is Anatolian in origin. The Caucasoid side of the Egyptians’ ancestry probably included Berber, Anatolian and Levantine. Doesn’t that make more sense than Western European Pharoahs?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt
“ “There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sub Sahara and tropical Africa.. In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas.”
“, the physical anthropological evidence indicates that early Nile Valley populations can be identified as part of an African lineage, but exhibiting local variation. This variation represents the short and long term effects of evolutionary forces, such as gene flow, genetic drift, and natural selection, influenced by culture and geography.”[57]
The most common Egyptian Y chromosome – E1b1b1 is of relatively recent East African origin (20,000 years). It is shared with the Nilotic people (the Dinka and the Nuba),
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b
West Africans split from this group as E1b1a1 20,000 years ago. Difficult to see how anyone can claim Egypt is not African.
Well its African- its in Africa. But they look more like Arabs than Bantu people, don’t they? They have a fairly caucasian look. North east Africans in general don’t really look quite like other Sub Saharan African blacks. Many somalis look somewhere in between Egyptians and blacks. In Britain, you can tell a somalis from a black Africa at a glance a lot of the time.
You know those racial/continental origin dna tests you might have seen given to celebrities? Where they tell them you are 70% African, 25% European, 5% native American. Or 70% European etc. On those tests, I believe European includes the middle east, the fertile crescent. Anyway, isn’t there any data on how European and how African Egyptians are?
I guess European means caucasian on those tests.
I would imagine Egyptians do have a fair bit of African dna, but east African.
In the Pharaonic days, they were 10-15% Black. Now they are 20-30% Black, if you look at the whole group. Basically Caucasians with some Black mixed in.
about the same as African Americans but the other way around. Or do AA have less than 30% white on average?
US Blacks are 15% White.
how do we know how black Egyptians were ‘back in the day’? Can you get DNA samples from mummy’s or something? If so, weren’t they the ruling class and maybe different to the common man?
*mummies
Yes we have DNA from the Pharonic era. It is 10-15% Black on average. The Egyptians today are the same as the ancients, only about twice as Black. They got Blacker over time.
What about Dinka, Masai, Nuba and Samburu?
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?p=165340
http://sallyhanreck.com/archives/2439
Do these people look like Arabs to you? Really? They are closer to Egyptians than West Africans!
They mainly of the same Haplogroup as 36% of Egyptians (E1b1b1).
Phenotype is meaningless except as a social construct.
Europeans are more closely related to the Australian Aborigines than the Ancient Egyptians.
Ancient Egyptians were not Black, period. Europeans are genetically close to the Pharonic Egyptians.
I disagree that phenotype is meaningless. You see someone with African phenotype and you can guess very accurately they have African genotype, for obvious reasons. Not only that, but you can see when somebody is genetically a mix from phenotype and what they are a mix of. Phenotype isn’t meaningless! It can sometimes be misleading when predicting degree of what. Sometimes Not meaningless though.
Luis et al. (2004) found that the male haplogroups in a sample of 147 Egyptians were E1b1b (36.1%, predominantly E-M78),
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_Egypt
“Look closely at the Arabid phenotype. It’s Caucasoid, and in many cases, it’s downright Europid.”
You don’t even have to look closely. Pakistanis look just like hot climate adapted caucasians to me too. Basically the same features when you contrast them with Africans or east Asians. They’re just brown white people lol.
I always liked tanned skin. I’ll be honest with you. The UK climate is shit. I’ve always wanted to move abroad. Okay, its not without its own kind of beauty which you sense when out walking on an autumn evening, for example,….but overall, fuck that….its better to live somewhere sunny. And brown skin just means native to somewhere where the climate doesn’t suck.
Pakisatanis are hot adapted caucasians? “brown white people”
Surely you have it the wrong way round – Europeans descend from Asians and Arabs not vice versa.
I was being facetious. Put it whatever way round you like. Doesn’t really matter to me. I guess the thing about saying white brown people is there are brown African and brown caucasian people and brown Australoid people. So white brown people doesn’t work as a way to distinguish caucasian people.
but yeah ur right about which came first so fine. Lets say white caucasians.
or even “cold adapted Asians”
Nah, because they live in Europe and are legitimately called Europeans. Plus there are cold adapted Asians in Asia. Plus it confuses them with east Asians, a different race.
Caucasians descend from archaic Asians and archaic Blacks.
Yes there are many brown Caucasians.
East Africans are Caucasian too
look – http://thegrio.com/2012/09/04/detroit-immigrant-wants-to-be-classified-as-black/ – funny
According to Directive 15 for the Federal Office of Management and Budget Standards for the Classification of Federal Data on Race and Ethnicity, a “white” person is defined as “a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, North Africa or the Middle East.”
Look how white some Iranians, Pakistanis, Afghans, and Indians look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URqN0Iu64D4
Iranians are closest to Europeans.
I thought it was Levantines?
Agreed.
My brother as well as a few people I know used 23 and me, fascinating stuff and will get more accurate as its database grows.
http://changelog.ca/log/2012/06/17/on_23andme_iranians_are_southern_european
Wow this is amazing trying to claim Egyptians share some kind of ancestry with caucasians . That’s absurd, first of all the people that populate Egypt today are not indigenous to Egypt. The people in Egypt today are the descendents of the Arab invaders who come to Egypt, stole all of its wealth, killed off the BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kings and Queens of Egypt. These invaders may share some kind of ancestry with Caucasians, but the original Egyptians do not, look at all of the evidence,every statue every painting all have black features.
You are a racist negroid.
thats true..original egyptians were not caucasoids…..arabs are not pure caucasoids which proves it
I have a hunch that the original Berbers were actually Black. Now before you start shouting “Afrocentrist!”, I’ll rationally explain why.
Now, I know you hear people say that Middle Atlas Berbers are the most authentic Berbers, due to their high prevalence of the Berber marker. However, mind you, the Berbers themselves predate the Berber marker. Meaning that a population possessing the most of it is most likely the most recent, no? Due to this, the Kabyles, Mozabites, and Middle Atlas people are probably the least similar to the original Berbers. And those possessing the parent clade, E1b1b, are the most authentic, since the original Berbers were obviously of this haplogroup.
It is also said by Euro-centrists that the Tuareg are probably recent, and not authentic Berbers. That they’re Black because of slave trade. If that’s true, then why is the Y-DNA Haplogroup of the Tuareg, predominantly E1b1b, instead or E1b1a? Because that’s the dominant haplogroup of West Africa. Which means it’s not from the slavery, but from East Africa. Due to the prevalence of R1b in Tuaregs from Niger (indicating some Hausa admixture), I’d say the Tuareg from Libya are the most authentic.
I think Middle Atlas people and Mozabites are descended of original Berber people, who went into that region, and became lighter due the climate accordingly. Even though I think the original Berbers were Black, they were heavily of Eurasian origin. Though, so are the Hausa, so that doesn’t mean much. I’ve used the Y-DNA Haplogroups to figure out which group is the most recent, but I’m aware that they don’t necessarily dictate the race of them. But since Tuaregs possess the ancestry that coincides with the of the original Berbers, I’d say they’re the most authentic you’re going to get.
Is what I said even plausible. Please don’t be rude.
The elephant in the room: Tuaregs don’t look negroid.