If We Cut Off All the "Welfare" the Black Out of Wedlock Birthrate Will Decline

Bhabi says, regarding welfare and out of wedlock birthrates, to read the Moynihan Report. I am familiar with this report. Moynihan, a liberal Democrat, did sound an alarm about a rising out of wedlock Black birthrate and he predicted many social problems would flow from this. If I am not mistaken, he was saying nothing whatsoever about “welfare” or other social spending in that report.
What is even more interesting is tha the White OOW Birthrate is now at the same level as the Black rate was Moynihan sounded his alarm. Yet the predicted catastrophe among White kids and communities has not unfolded.
Look. Welfare is dead for all intents and purposes. Even where it is alive, it is like $300/month. Try living off that. With the welfare basically cut off, the out of wedlock birthrate is still stuck at 70%. Even if you eliminated welfare altogether, do you think Black men would suddenly start marrying Black women? Do you think if the welfare was cut off, the Black men would suddenly start saying, “Whoa! They cut off the welfare for our poor women! Now we need to start marrying them, guys!”
If you believe they would do that, you got another thing coming. A sky high out of wedlock birthrate appears to be an intractable problem in Black America. It has nothing to do with social programs, and it certainly won’t go away if these programs are all eliminated.

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37 thoughts on “If We Cut Off All the "Welfare" the Black Out of Wedlock Birthrate Will Decline”

  1. “What is even more interesting is tha the White OOW Birthrate is now at the same level as the Black rate was Moynihan sounded his alarm. Yet the predicted catastrophe among White kids and communities has not unfolded.”
    It will! Just look at “chav culture” in the UK. US is next.
    You’re losin’ it, Robbie. Time to take you meds and say nighty night.
    I told you I was expert at reading people.

  2. The fertility rate of middle class black women is now lower than the rate for white women. Black men are increasingly marrying non-black women. With this trend I thinks the black race in America is going to shrink in coming decades.

    1. Tulio, I do not think the Black race will shrink. It will simply change into a more mulattoized version of itself. Projections out to 2050 or so show the Black proportion of the US either stable or increasing very slightly.

      1. “Tulio, I do not think the Black race will shrink. It will simply change into a more mulattoized version of itself.”
        Mulatto babies are the cutest babies, and when they grow up, they become the hottest adults.
        Eye candy is good for the soul and does a nation good. Bring it on!

        1. People always say this about mulattoes, but 9 people out of 10will pick a random white woman over a random mulatto any day. People only think mulattoes are so hot because they look much better to them than dark black women.
          I think it’s more the case that most people aren’t really attracted to the average mulatto, but when a mulatto (usually celebrity) comes along with very Caucasian features, people see her as a novelty and rank her higher than most any women, including even white. Having a biracial baby is like rolling dice where you usually roll somewhere between black and white attractiveness, but damn if you don’t get a real winner every now and then.

        2. Durr, I’m a cis-gendered hetero female so I was referring mostly to mocha mulatto men. Mmmmmmm yummy. But I like pure dark chocolate too.

  3. Dear Robert
    Out-of-wedlock births are extremely common in Latin America. Do Latin American countries have very generous welfare? iIdon’t think so. James

  4. I think people really overestimate how much money it takes to raise a kid when you don’t really care about their outcome in life.

  5. Considering that pulling out before you cum requires no equipment, drugs or any financial cost whatsoever, I can’t see being on welfare or not making any difference. Maybe a surgeon general’s warning tattooed above the vagina: “Warning, ejaculating into this orifice can cause pregnancy and the birth of children.”
    Ok, bad idea, if that had a chance of working, nobody would be smoking cigarettes.

    1. DURR: People always say this about mulattoes, but 9 people out of 10will pick a random white woman over a random mulatto any day. People only think mulattoes are so hot because they look much better to them than dark black women
      Have you conducted a survey on this? In my experience light brown/dark tan is considered the most attractive skin color. It’s the color everybody seems to want except maybe East Asians and some Latinos (who prefere pale/fair skin). Mulattos have the edge on most whites in this regard. Mulatto women tend to have the small nose/large eyes combo that has been shown in studies to be an important factor in percieved female beauty. First generation mulattos lack the phenotypic diversity of whites, however, so in this regard whites are more probably more attractive (’cause diversity is always a plus, right?). Multi-generational mulattos, on the other hand, have a lot of phenotypic diversity and ethnic groups where MGM’s are common – Creoles, Brazilians, Puerto Ricans – are almost without exception considered to have very beautiful women.
      I would say on average, mulattos, paricularly MGM’s, are more attractive than unmixed whites and are MUCH more attractive than unmixed northern European whites, the type that abounds in the US.

      1. The main physical problems with white people is that they tend to have thin lips that disappear into nothing as they age, even movie stars have the incredibly UNsexy no-lip by mid 40s and hence they are starting to botox their lips in early 30s to avoid that and of course they age the worse out of all the ethnicities.
        When white people say, “asians, blacks, whoever, looks young for their age” what they really mean is that that race looks their real age but that white people look old too soon.”
        I’m always appalled by all the white people with wrinkles who haven’t even hit mid 30s yet.

        1. That’s probably somewhat true for northern Euro whites -British Islanders, Nordics, Baltics, Northern Slavs etc.. Southern Euro/Levantine whites -Italians, Greeks, Portuguese, Lebanese – don’t have those problems as much. With southern whites the main problem is a tendency towards large noses and excessive body hair, even in women. Also, a tendency to get dumpy in early middle age. South Asians have similar problems I’ve noticed.

        2. “That’s probably somewhat true for northern Euro whites -British Islanders, Nordics, Baltics, Northern Slavs etc..”
          Its VERY true for them.
          “With southern whites the main problem is a tendency towards large noses and excessive body hair, even in women. Also, a tendency to get dumpy in early middle age. South Asians have similar problems I’ve noticed.”
          The higher class you go in South Asia, the more fat and unattractive the men get.

        3. White females look great at their prime, like between 20-25, but man when they hit 35, the implode pretty fast. Some I know have crows feet in their mid 20s. My mom is 63 and has no wrinkles. My dad is 60, and has a few forehead creases but no real wrinkles.

        4. Tulio, same with the men. White men are the only demographic that I have to date younger than me in order for them to look my age, and I’m still young! Black men? I can date a lot older because they simply do not age. The other races? I can date more or less my same age.

      2. Mulattas are always head-turners for me. I also love Eastern/Central European women(Czech, Romanian, Hungarian, Ukrainian, Russian) and Latina women, especially Colombian and Brazilian. Persian women may be the most beautiful in the world, but their attitudes and princess complexes stink.

        1. Persian women also look down on East Asian men and will never date one in their lives, something I tried to explaining to Huax and Atheist Indian earlier; but their egos got hurt and they started flame wars.

  6. I also love Eastern/Central European women(Czech, Romanian, Hungarian, Ukrainian, Russian)
    even with the bad aging?

    1. Most the ones I encounter are young. I don’t know how well they age. It really doesn’t get much better than a 23 year old Ukrainian of Czech girl. On top of that very few women of these countries are obese. Last summer I was hanging with a young Ukrainian woman and she told me she was in disbelief how many fat women there are in America. 60% of white women are overweight, and 80, yes 80% of black women are overweight. If you don’t want to date fat women, look how many women are disqualified right off the bat.

      1. Yeah, it’s pretty obscene. American women really are cows. Shit, even Asian American women are getting fatter and fatter. I’ve seen a lot of fat Asian girls in the Bay Area. It’s definitely not as bad among them as it is among blacks, whites, and Hispanics, but it’s getting progressively worse.

      2. @ Tulio
        One thing I am curious about though, is what qualifies as “overweight?” At least for me, a tiny amount of pudginess on women is okay, so long as her other features are good.
        But I could not date a “fat” woman, as fat is commonly understood.

  7. Bhabiji: “Tulio, same with the men. White men are the only demographic that I have to date younger than me in order for them to look my age, and I’m still young! Black men? I can date a lot older because they simply do not age. The other races? I can date more or less my same age.”
    LOL Sorry Bhab, but South Asians don’t age better than Europeans! They might not wrinkle as early but they go gray hella early, the men bald early and their bodies get distinctly middle aged looking at the same age (if not earlier) as Europeans and Middle Easterners. I’m talking about standard Indo-Dravidians, not tribals or NE Indian mongoloids.
    Another non-white group that doesn’t age better than Europeans are Mestizos. They hit the wall early. Their skin is brown but it lacks that “don’t crack” quality of Negroid skin.

    1. “LOL Sorry Bhab, but South Asians don’t age better than Europeans! They might not wrinkle as early but they go gray hella early, the men bald early and their bodies get distinctly middle aged looking at the same age (if not earlier) as Europeans and Middle Easterners. I’m talking about standard Indo-Dravidians, not tribals or NE Indian mongoloids. ”
      I agree. Another reason why I don’t date South Asian men anymore.

  8. Bhabiji: I’m always appalled by all the white people with wrinkles who haven’t even hit mid 30s yet.
    Move back to India then. You won’t have to see any more lame ass white people, just beautiful brown people with perfect ageless skin.

  9. Just to note, the out-of-wedlock birth rate for blacks is not what is high. It is the out-of-wedlock birth percentage. The rate is at its lowest in 40 years. The OOW birth rate is the ratio of OOW births to the number of single women. In 1970, 96 out of 1000 single black women gave birth each year. Today, it is 60 our of 1000. Hispanic women have a higher OOW birth rate than black women.
    The reason that the OOW birth percentage is so high is due to the small percentage of black women who are married and the fact that the birth rate for actual married black women is lower than that of any other group of married women.
    As for the welfare argument, it is not argued that black men will decide not to impregnate single women after hearing that welfare has stopped, but rather that black women, realizing that the safety net is gone, will be less inclined to allow themselves to be impregnated outside of stable relationships. After all, it has been widely noted quite accurately among MRAs that women are the ones in control of sex and reproduction.

  10. “Even where it is alive, it is like $300/month.”
    The number I have seen is more like $400/month, but that is basically the same. But this number involves solely cash expenditure. Those same families will receive on top of this easily around $300/month worth of food stamps and if one adds to this medical care, child care, free school lunch program, subsidized housing, etc. The total expendature easily reaches $1000/month and welfare expendature has increased by 19% under Obama.
    http://www.cato.org/research/pr-nd-st.html

    1. There is absolutely no way on Earth that a family of any size could survive on an income of a mere $700 a month. It’s peanuts. Even with a rent subsidy, your rent is still going to be at least $200-250/month. Now you are down to $450/month to survive on with your family. Ain’t gonna happen. Child care subsidies are extremely meager in the US and my understanding is that it’s not enough to pay for good child care, which is actually quite expensive and not affordable for your average single mom.

    2. Look Pops, I am going to have to ban you. This is a socialist website, and you’re not allowed to promote rightwing economics or attack the welfare state on here. Sorry about that.

  11. The population of whites is 82.9%, of blacks it is 12.6%, and other is 4.5%. The homicide rates for each group are: 4.5 for whites, 34.4 for blacks, and 4.1 for other (1980-2008 DOJ stats). Now, (.829 * 4.5) + (.126 * 34.4) + (.044 * 4.1) = 3.7305 + 4.3344 + 0.1804 = 8.2453
    4.3344 of 8.2453 = 52.5%
    Blacks are responsible for 52.5% of an average US homicide rate of 8.2453.
    Is this correct?

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