Anatoly Karlin on Female Hypergamy, Game, Betas and Alphas, Etc.

Anatoly Karlin writes:

Betas are the builders of civilization. You just can’t do without them. If their interests aren’t catered for society devolves into a tribalistic jungle.
Due to various factors, betas are now taken for granted by women. Omegas need not apply. This is what happens when traditional mores, i.e. the masculine rules that underpin civilization, collapse, and female hypergamy is unleashed, leading to soft polygamy.
Becoming a player, or PUA, is a natural adaptation of the rational beta to his environment. To remain in the sexual market he is going to mimic alpha traits, which is really what “game” is all about. The reason self-proclaimed alpha women (not that they actually exist LOL) like Beatrix consider players to be “creeps” is because game is a form of reproductive cheating.
This is completely natural and to be expected. Of course one should not blame or resent women for following their misplaced instincts. It’s not something they have any control over and doing so would just be omega. The alpha response would be to just learn game and go a-banging.
Arguably, the very survival of civilization depends on more betas doing that, to avoid the dystopian outcomes that a surfeit of alphas and “independent women” inevitably leads to.

Everything he says here is correct.

AK: This is what happens when traditional mores, i.e. the masculine rules that underpin civilization, collapse, and female hypergamy is unleashed, leading to soft polygamy.

This is precisely what has occurred. We can argue about why this has happened and who is to blame. Many blame feminism, but this is uncertain. At any rate, what we see now is not occurring in traditional patriarchal societies. When traditional patriarchal society breaks down, you end up with this jungle like scenario that Karlin refers to.
I refer to modern women as “cavewomen” and I say that feminism created a nation full of cavewomen. This was not what I signed up for when I enlisted in the Women’s Liberation movement. There’s nothing liberating about a nation full of cavewomen living in a concrete jungle. It’s a Darwinian, Hobbesian Hell any way you cut it.

AK: Becoming a player, or PUA, is a natural adaptation of the rational beta to his environment. To remain in the sexual market he is going to mimic alpha traits, which is really what “game” is all about.

Exactly. Game is simply a male adaptation to a nation of cavewomen living in a concrete and glass jungle. What else is a guy to do? Life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.

AK: This is completely natural and to be expected. Of course one should not blame or resent women for following their misplaced instincts.

Precisely. We have simply unleashed women to follow their genetic and evolutionary instincts, which is to act like a cavewoman. On the other hand, I’m not sure that blindly following their cavewoman nature is best for either women or society.

AK: Arguably, the very survival of civilization depends on more betas doing that, to avoid the dystopian outcomes that a surfeit of alphas and “independent women” inevitably leads to.

The Alphas and independent women scenario is precisely what the folks in the Manosphere are either discussing or complaining about. And it really is a dystopia for anyone who cares about living in an advanced modern civilization.
Betas are the civilization builders, as Karlin argues. And society shuns them at its peril.
Another commenter pointed to the Black Ghetto as an example of what happens when all of the civilizational controls go off of a sector of society. Whether or not this is a good example is uncertain, but possibly it is.

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86 thoughts on “Anatoly Karlin on Female Hypergamy, Game, Betas and Alphas, Etc.”

  1. Ishmael and Bobby Ji, about this “creep” thing. I rarely if ever hear the word being used IRL, though I have seen it on the net. One thing to consider is that there are people who back in the 60’s would have been institutionalized walking freely today, as outpatients on psychotropic drugs for all manner of mental health issues from bi-polar to schizophernia and everything in between. They are bagging your groceries, sitting next to you on the bus, sharing locker room space with you at school, and even perhaps asking you out on dates. In other words, creepy people are out and about now instead of roaming the gardens of the local crazy house, because there is no crazy house anymore.
    So if its true that the word “creep” is used now more than ever before, its correalated to the fact that there are more creeps out on the loose than ever before.
    And the “manosphere” suggests that women date them! Sodini, Holmes, Gunbitch, they all say its women’s fault for not sucking the dicks of these sociopaths. Spare me. They should take one for the team and go visit these loonies in jail. I hear the shower room soap is particularly fragrant.

    1. I don’t get this, you are not one of those “Indo-Aryan” or North Indian women, so that automatically disqualifies you from speaking about attractive women in general. Why should men have to listen to you, since you are in all likelihood a bitter ass who’s loathing and jealousy of women of other races makes you subscribe to defeatist and angry ideologies such as feminism.

    2. about this “creep” thing. I rarely if ever hear the word being used IRL
      Really? I have heard it used quite frequently, particularly in reference to betas.

      1. The “betas” thing again? Sigh. SMH. That word means nothing other than whatever the latest commenter on a Manosphere site wants it to mean.
        “No, dude, that’s not beta, that’s lower alpha”. “No dude you’re wrong, he’s a mid-range beta”. “Duuuuuuuude, the dude is a higher beta/lower alpha.”
        And these are men in their 50s writing this!

        1. Babba-Babble- Here’s me screed on alphas, betas,etc.
          § I find it interesting that no one here is talking about the real underlying reasons for this miscegenation/exogamy thing in recent times.
          It has to do with unspoken racial hierarchies (that vary from race to race).
          For instance, many races might consider Whites to be a step up in status, maybe even holding them above their own race in status.
          It also has to do with the hierarchy of INDIVIDUALS within each race- i.e. some (top 10% of desirability) are Alphas (male and female) that get anyone/anything they want, pretty much, some are Zetas (bottom 10% of desirability). Zetas have to pretty much take what they can get
          Most (80%) are in the middle- Betas. I would divide Betas into High, Middle, and Low. (Alphas and Zetas could be divided too).
          Most competition is among Betas- they all want an Alpha- of their own race (or start out wanting one), the wise up and set their sights on another Beta- or…maybe an Alpha, or High Beta, of another race.
          Pure Alphas have looks, money, smarts,education, and personality strength/talents. Alot of people have a mix- part Alpha, part Beta (or Zeta).
          For instance, a Low Beta (or High Zeta) White female might be able to attract higher ranking male of another race- Blacks in particulaA lot of
          Beta and Low Beta White dudes have been trolling for “yellowtail” for a long time now, since the Korean War, partly because Asian females consider White dudes a step up, at least in machoness, from their own (sorry Asian dudes!)
          For some reason Black Females are an exception- they don’t line up for non-Black males- no matter how fed up they are with Black dudes (who are the highest on the macho scale). (some will take up w/ a macho, dark Latin type).
          Black dudes universally will cut off their (choose body part) to get with a white chick (‘speshully a hot ‘un!) Why? Ask them!
          Jewish dudes, also, notoriously want the Airhead Viking Cheerleader- to the disgust of Jewesses the world over.
          Historically, Males have been encouraged, or permitted at least, to “marry down”- i.e. a female of lower status, racial or economic. Females, conversely, have always been encouraged to “marry up” in status.
          Alphas, of course, seek out other Alphas. Alpha white dudes, however, are notoriously for “raiding” Beta females- screwing them and then dumping them instantly. They give all white dudes a bad name, and many white females rebel in disgust- choosing to hook up with “ABAWG” (Anything But A White Guy). Ex: White Beta Blondes who hook up with Asian dudes (rare- but it is a phenomena). Much , much more common: Low Beta White chick and (higher ranking) Hispanic dude.
          The Frisco phenom of White Dudes and Asian chicks is a little different- Gay Area Straight Dudes are not very macho, but still like feminine women, and so prefer Asian chicks over White chicks, who are downright masculine in comparison, and who are all looking for Alpha, (or at least macho) White dudes.

      2. How do you define alphas and betas? Where is the dividing line between alphas and high betas and low betas and omegas? If every man was rated out of 100 on attractiveness, would there be clear dividing lines? Some men would be rated 100, others 99, others 98, all the way down. Isn’t any dividing line arbitrary?
        What if a guy is physically attractive to most woman but never gets laid because he is shy? How do you define it and divide between the groups?

        1. “What if a guy is physically attractive to most woman but never gets laid because he is shy? ”
          My favorite type. Only problem is if they are too shy to the point of being almost fearful of interacting with others.

        1. @ Dota
          I have heard white females use it every now and then, and even some non-white males.
          It does seem to be used as a way to shame shy guys or betas.

    3. “One thing to consider is that there are people who back in the 60′s would have been institutionalized walking freely today…”
      Not really. Most of the psychological problems, which are considered ailments today were considered ‘quirky’ in those times. It was only the raving mad who were institutionalised.

    4. “Creep” is either a noun refering to a man attracted to a woman who isn’t attracted back or verb for what women do discretely getting sex on the “down-low” so as not to attract shameful attention.

  2. “Game is simply a male adaptation to a nation of cavewomen living in a concrete and glass jungle. What else is a guy to do? Life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.”
    Yep! A helluvalot better than sexual Marxism. Most of the major PUA gurus of the last 10 years have expanded into the general self-help genre because improving yourself for women is often the first step in a man’s life to improving himself for the sheer joy of self-empowerment and a higher quality of life.
    I’m all for it.

    1. Men don’t build civilization to please women, sweetheart. That’s not how a man thinks – that’s what a woman thinks when she puts on makeup in the morning.

      1. Who said anything about building civilization? Re-read my comment, its about self-improvement. And if you think women wear makeup for men, think again. Even lesbians wear makeup. Even old widows who have no desire for a man wear makeup. Even asexual women wear makeup. Women dress for themselves and for other women.
        That might be another problem though, if you think one should groom oneself, dress good and look nice just for the opposite sex alone, and if this way of thinking is common amongst the Manosphere, well, that’s another reason why they can’t get laid.
        Obisdian wrote a piece for The Spearhead about the importance of grooming and looking good in general, not just for women, and they booed him off the stage.
        No wonder these dudes can’t get laid. They don’t know the first thing about taking pride in self.
        Shame, shame.

        1. “improving yourself for women is often the first step in a man’s life to improving himself for the sheer joy of self-empowerment and a higher quality of life. ”
          You just disproved your own statement with your makeup bit. Flip-Flop.
          I interpreted improving yourself as going ahead in your career.

        2. “I interpreted improving yourself as going ahead in your career.”
          Career is just one aspect of life. If you are only focused on that and nothing else, its doubtful women will be attracted to you. I’m addressing the whole person; health, fitness, intellectual curiosity, humor, hobbies, social skills, life skills, even spirituality (does not have to be theistic).
          I don’t know how familiar you are with “game” and PUA but in their books and seminars they advise men to make a concerted effort to improve in all these areas of their lives, not just to attract women, but to improve their overall quality of life. People are attracted to healthy, fit, interesting people, not boring couch potatoes.

  3. The discussion about this topic as gotten real messy.
    Overall, I think there is some exaggeration going on here. As Steve said in one of the other posts, it’s not as if most betas are not getting laid — they are, albeit with not so attractive women. While I agree that it’s probably a lot harder to find a suitable mate nowadays because women have become so damn picky, there are still plenty of average veginas to go around, even after the Alphas are done picking the best ones. It’s not the end of the world, for Christ sake.
    Yes, the sad truth is that you probably need more game nowadays to get laid, weeding out a lot of those betas that are unwilling or incapable of getting with the program. As result, there are more betas not getting laid today than ever before in history. I also agree with Robert that “game” shouldn’t be the be all end all means of getting laid, but the notion that just 20 to 30 percent of all men are getting laid is just too hard to believe. I mean, there are sure to be plenty of women out there that are willing to settle, even in their prime, out of the sheer frustration of not being able to hook up with an Alpha male. Women want intimate relationships too, you know.

    1. There’s something I don’t undrstand and would be grateful for explanation. How is it that “there are more betas not getting laid today than ever before in history”? I mean, doesn’t every one of us have mote female ancestors than male ancestors exactly because always, in history, alpha males were getting around more?

      1. @AM
        “There’s something I don’t undrstand and would be grateful for explanation. How is it that “there are more betas not getting laid today than ever before in history”? I mean, doesn’t every one of us have mote female ancestors than male ancestors exactly because always, in history, alpha males were getting around more?”
        There are more women on this planet than men, but less reliance on men as a result of economic mobility provides many of them with more of an impetus to shoot for those top dog males and only those top dogs, relegating many of the average men to the bleachers. However, while a fraction of these women would die lonely, most would fail in their blind pursuit and would have to settle, either temporarily or permanently, at some point in their lives.
        In the past, life was a whole lot harder for lonely women economically, so most of them scrambled out of the gate searching for whatever decent man they could get. Spending years or decades alone chasing those alphas males would have generally resulted in a life of poverty. For men and possibly women, things were a lot easier. No “game” — just straight to business.

    2. “I mean, there are sure to be plenty of women out there that are willing to settle, even in their prime, out of the sheer frustration of not being able to hook up with an Alpha male”
      Of course they are but grundgingly almost all the time. When she has been repeatedly rejected by alpha dudes, or has had her chance occasionally but only when they were completely drunk…your average/moderately good-looking girl will usually settle for a guy at her level (a beta).
      However chances are that, out of frustration, your ambitious chick after having accepted to stoop to that low, will naturally be inclined to look down on him which leads to poor relationships and couple life.

    3. This post is sensible to the point where I will actually start to consider the proposition that woman are pickier and less betas are getting laid. The claim that only alpha males are getting laid is ridiculous.
      “there are still plenty of average veginas to go around, even after the Alphas are done picking the best ones. It’s not the end of the world, for Christ sake.”
      Why shouldn’t alphas get the best woman? The most attractive men getting the most attractive woman is perfectly natural. The better looking you are, the better looking kind of partner you shoot for. Why settle for a 5 when you can get an 8? It sounds superficial but it comes into it because we do want to have sex with sexy, good looking people. Personality is really important but if I’m good looking, I hope for a good looking, sexy woman who also has a suitable personality.
      If you get photos 1000 couples and mix them all up and get people to rate all of them, I bet there will be a strong pattern of men and woman who are similar ratings being together. I don’t know if it has been done but its not unlikely that it has.
      Or maybe do it with sexiness rather than facial beauty or overall attractiveness, whatever.
      I can’t remember why I started writing this comment lol
      oh yeah here’s another thought. Our society still practices monogomy as the standard relationship. People still want relationships that are in principle monogamous even if they want casual sex too. There are about the same number of woman as men. So an average woman may have sex with an alpha male but she will still have to settle for an average man when it comes to a relationship, which she will do.
      When polygamy comes out and woman agree to it, then I’ll start worrying.

      1. Beatrix, the furry hatted eyeliner dude is Eric Von Markovic, otherwise known as “Mystery”. He wrote an interesting book long before the TV show. He was basically a nerdy geek into magic who found he could use his illusion skills to charm women. As ridiculous as he made himself look, without all the hats, goggles (yeah he wore goggles to clubs), and makeup, underneath it all he as an average to good looking guy naturally (facial symmetry, long nose,clear skin). He had bombed out with women and decided to put his analytical skills to figuring out social interaction. Despite the bizarre facade I will say this – HE WAS NEVER A MISOGYNIST. In fact, quite the opposite. He was fascinated by women, pedastalized them even. I’ve watched some of his youtube videos and he does not tolerate misogynist comments from men in his workshops. That’s where PUAs and MRAs differ. PUAs don’t blame women for all their problems and they are not angry, bitter wetbacks. They own their own lives and situations and work to improve themselves, both for their own good and for attracting women. Many of the PUA gurus of the last 10 years have moved on from PUA into general self-help, I mean come on, all of them are well over 30 now and some have kids, with a few as old as 60. They’re obviously not going to be “sarging in clubs” at their age.
        Eric (Mystery) has mental health problems and attempted to commit suicide several times, over women he was in love with. Now he’s almost 40 and a Dad, and totally passe. Poor thing.
        I don’t think they’re bad people at all. Just nerdy guys who never had luck with women and instead of blaming women, decided to look in the mirror and change themselves.
        Its a hellofalot better than Sexual Marxism, which is what the MRAs are weeping and wailing for. They blame “Cultural Marxism” for Feminism, but then want to impose a Sexual Marxism!
        No, Obama ain’t gwan give fi a girlfriend.

  4. Reading this makes me angry all over again for how horrible women treated me for 20 years, ages 15 to 35. Aside from my wife who doesn’t even count because she’s of a gloriously unique situation, I generally hate women and it’s damn well been earned. They have humiliated me, betrayed me, used me, and irrevocably traumatized me. They are like warriors cutting down otherwise harmonious individuals – males who are good people and would provide love and sincerity to them if only given a chance. Instead, they are forsaken for bad boys, gamers, narcissists and sociopaths – guys who incidentally further damage beta men who attempt to befriend the alphas. I am good looking, have a great personality and sense of humor, am well-educated, and intelligent, but women destroyed me repeatedly because I yearned for love.
    The good news is often when these cavewomen reach their 30’s, they realize they aren’t such bad asses anymore when a more mature nature sets, characterized by wanting to bear children and settle down in a stable relationship, but guess what? Now they can’t find good guys because by this point, many of them have moved on and just said “Fuck it, I can’t handle this bullshit anymore; they’re selfish bitches”. Instead, many of these good guys have by then reached levels of success in business and their career, whereupon they’ve encountered good, nerdy, no nonsense type girls – the true winners – whom they then marry. Where these girls had been before I don’t know, it’s like they manifested out of thin air suddenly. They must have socially been in the shadows before, kept to themselves, not gained mainstream acceptance, and so were late bloomers personality-wise. Maybe they never felt a need as much to have been in relationships, maybe they look more physically attractive in their 30’s, but they aren’t the former bitchy ones and they seemingly didn’t exist beforehand for betas to discover and work with. In any case, the bitchy babes of the 20’s often have the tables turned in their 30’s, with betas and decent, successful guys having finally married more reliable women. Meanwhile the women who had previously laid waste to genuine, young men, have a newfound appreciation for them, but they are taken, and the cavewomen for the first time in their lives, find themselves lonely. Good for them – because they have destroyed mainstream society having left a path of destruction in their wake. In spite of whatever desirability they have had, in the long run they are self-consumed, social pariah. Fuck them. Fuck then wholeheartedly.

    1. Nerd girls FTW lol
      Where were they before? At home reading instead of going to clubs maybe?
      Glad you found a good woman who reciprocated your love. Its not that unique of a situation btw. There are more of them around.
      Some people are dumpers and some people are dumpees. The dumpees tend to be the more needy, clingy ones. Maybe that was you?
      I knew a guy who was a dumper. He had numerous relationships with woman who would have married him but he got bored and ended it. Then he got older and started to worry that he would never find the right person and have kids.

      1. “Nerd girls FTW lol
        Where were they before? At home reading instead of going to clubs maybe?”
        Your empathy is unimpressive, to put it mildly. You fail miserably. Try again.
        “Glad you found a good woman who reciprocated your love.”
        So glad I could finally meet your approval now and gain admittance to the cool kids club. Fuck you very much!
        “Its not that unique of a situation btw. There are more of them around.”
        It’s not that simplistic. You have no idea about my situation, and I suggest that you don’t care while you still can.
        “Some people are dumpers and some people are dumpees. The dumpees tend to be the more needy, clingy ones. Maybe that was you?”
        That’s right. I wanted it. It was my priority and my naivete. I wasn’t sophisticated or wise enough to know better. I was a kid. Seeking a meaningful relationship was not asking too much. It wouldn’t have hurt had someone just been my friend. These girls don’t even care about friendships except with girls, unless they are flaming homosexuals. I’ve come out of the other side for the better, while many of them have gone on to new heights of dysfunction with a rude awakening of reality. You and them deserve each other.
        “I knew a guy who was a dumper. He had numerous relationships with woman who would have married him but he got bored and ended it. Then he got older and started to worry that he would never find the right person and have kids.”
        You’re finally on to something. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Congratulations smug ass.

    2. “No nonsense” type girls don’t just suddenly matrialize – they are there all the time, men ignore them (teenage boys especially) and don’t notice them untill later – because they prefer going for girly, feminine, sexy girls.

      1. Well like I said, they should’ve stepped up instead of having remained in the shadows in near invisibility. The popular girls were not just attractive, they were socially luring. The “nerd” girls should’ve made their presence known to my types and expressed an interest in the existence of others. Wtf were they doing, crochet? Were they anti-social? I want to know. At least us betas or omegas, as Robert calls them, tried. I couldn’t have been burned had I not, and had the Alphas not pretended to be my friends.

        1. High School and the teen years is an awkward time for all but just a few, and even for them. I wouldn’t expect either nerdy girls or nerdy guys to “step to” anyone.

  5. Bobby Ji, do you have experience with behavioural medicine or psychotropic drugs? I need some advice.

  6. Speaking of “game” (I’m in favor of all men self-improving) and hypergamy, I agree with this comment;
    You know, I have to say, this is not an issue in the Black and Latino communities. That women are visually stimulated and blatant objectifiers of the male physique is a no-brainer to them. Their cultures have not yet, and hopefully never will, lose touch of the fact that physical fitness and rhythm (dance) are two traits that play major roles in female sexual attraction. The only people who seem to be surprised are White men. Anyone here who watches black rom-coms will note the objectification of the black male physique to a greater degree than the white male physique is objectified in white rom-coms. There is always at least one scene of shirtless, muscular, sweaty men playing Basketball in every Black rom-com, and its not there for the heterosexual men in the audience, that is for sure. The half naked physically fit muscular male physique and its accompany swagger (rhythm) is showcased throughout those movies. Displays of rhythmic skills in the form of dancing are common.
    Watch this video of women movie goers and note their language about Magic Mike from about the halfway mark on.
    “if only this movie was in 3D”
    “a lot of asses, I’ll say that, you see a lot of asses”
    “Enough?” “A decent amount, a decent amount, it’ll definitely get your blood goin’ ”
    “Were you so distracted you couldn’t pay attention to the story?”
    ” A little bit, yeah”
    “What made you go and see this movie today?”
    “The nudity”
    “Can a straight guy go and see this movie?”
    “He can get a lot of good tips, I can tell ya that much, us ladies will appreciate it.”
    “What do you think of this growing trend of male nudity in movies?”
    “I’m all for it.” …. “Finally!” … “Us women we always have to put up with it (female nudity) in every movie, and we’re out there and its like ‘ok sure’ but now with the guys there’s finally something for us. I like it!”
    “What was the mood like in the theatre?
    “Very verbal.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEnRLObWDqw&feature=related

  7. I’m guessing that Robert didn’t discriminate as much as these women seem to be doing. He didn’t restrict himself to just the creme of the crop. Just about every women got a shot…

  8. Mott, you’re just ashamed of yourself because you’re a bigger jerk than even us Jews! Keep changing your clothes 3 times a day for nothing you laughable fool. These ruthless bitches we speak of see right thru you!!

    1. Thanx fer the compliment, Hymie Finkelsteinowitzky Von Shlomoberg! They see right thru me ‘cuz I’m so white I’m transparent!

        1. Exactly. I must be the worst Jew in the world. I have so little connection to my “partial roots” (I’m half Jew) … I met one Jewish girl in the last 10 years, my Indian (Catholic) friend thought it was hilarious when she asked me if kept kosher and I said “Sometimes.” I wasn’t trying to be funny, I just didn’t know, and he kidded me about that for months. As Robert pointed out, I’m not a big fan of Jews – I hate AIPAC, I think we ought to have a policy of neutrality towards the Israeli-Paestinian conflict, though I favor Palestine reclaiming the west bank. I certainly wouldn’t give Israel a dime’s worth of weapons were I President; if anything, I’d declare Israel a terrorist state. So Mott could fuck off, except I don’t care much about his opinion one way or the other.

        2. “Exactly. I must be the worst Jew in the world. I have so little connection to my “partial roots” (I’m half Jew)”
          How can you be “half Jew”?

    1. If your mom is a Jew, you’re a jew. If your dad is a jew, I guess you’d be a “half jew”?
      Some Jewish men are very attractive. The darker the Jew, the more attractive he tends to be. I dated a Moroccan Jew who was extremely handsome. But I’ll be honest here, the Jews of the Middle East and Africa tend to have the same macho and arrogant posturing as non-Jewish Arab and African men.
      In the beginning they are all romance and poetry but if you stay with them long enough, the backwards old world chauvinism comes out.
      That’s when Bhabiji says “shalom” and checks out!
      On the other hand Western Jews are amongst the most egalitarian and gentlemanly men I’ve ever met.
      Pass me the matzo balls please!
      😉

      1. Yeah those western Jews are Ashkenazi. I think they have up to 20+ more IQ points than Sephardic (brown) Jews. I have to look into it, but the average IQ in Israel is in the low 90s while most euro/american jews are usually 110+.

        Today’s Ashkenazi Jews have a high average mathematical and verbal IQ and an unusual cognitive profile compared to other ethnic groups, including Sephardic and Oriental Jews.
        From roughly 800 to 1650 CE, Ashkenazi Jews in Europe were a mostly isolated genetic group. When Ashkenazi Jews married non-Jews, they usually left the Jewish community; few non-Jews married into the Jewish community.
        During the same period, laws barred Ashkenazi Jews from working most jobs, including farming and crafts, and forced them into finance, management, and international trade. Wealthy Jews had several more children per family than poor Jews. So, genes for cognitive traits such as verbal and mathematical talent, which make a person successful in the few fields where Jews could work, were favored; genes for irrelevant traits, such as spatio-visual abilities, were supported by less selective pressure than in the general population.
        Today’s Ashkenazi Jews suffer from a number of congenital diseases and mutations at higher rates than most other ethnic groups; these include Tay-Sachs, Gaucher’s disease, Bloom’s syndrome, and Fanconi anemia, and mutations at BRCA1 and BRCA2. These mutations’ effects cluster in only a few metabolic pathways, suggesting that they arise from selective pressure rather than genetic drift. One cluster of these diseases affects sphingolipid storage, a secondary effect of which is increased growth of axons and dendrites. At least one of the diseases in this cluster, torsion dystonia, has been found anecdotally to correlate with exceptionally high IQ. Another cluster disrupts DNA repair, an extremely dangerous sort of mutation which is lethal in homozygotes. The authors speculate that these mutations give a cognitive benefit to heterozygotes by reducing inhibitions to neural growth, a benefit that would not outweigh its high costs except in an environment where it was strongly rewarded.”

        1. Ishmael, so inbreeding has worked favorably for Jews and not for other groups?
          By the way, technically you’re half Desi as Afghanistan is included in “South Asia” much of the time.

        2. By my blood, yes you could say that. In terms of culture, not so much. My dad was extremely westernized, my Mom was a Swede and we only spoke English at home. My Mom was Lutheran and my Dad was a whiskey drinking Muslim. It pretty much isolated me from ‘Muslim’ circles and forced me to become more American.
          The closest I’ve come to Desi culture is Afghan weddings and restaurants. Afghan Kabob and Indo/Pak cuisine is the best in the world.

        3. One more thing though, I don’t know if Desi is the right word. Afghans had more more Iranian/Turkic influence.

        4. “One more thing though, I don’t know if Desi is the right word. Afghans had more more Iranian/Turkic influence.”
          Right, but technically Afghanistan is in South Asia, so by that metric. Welcome to the club, or, er, not. 😉
          Swede and Afghan mix might be hot. Post your pic!

        5. Ishmael
          This is your lucky day because despite what the idiot Bhabi says, Afghans are NOT desis. If she got her knowledge from sources other than wiki she would realize that historians and scholars have always placed Afghanistan in central asia. The BBC puts Afghan related news with India and hence Bhabi gets this false idea. Afghanistan is as much south Asia as Texas is Mesoamerica. The term desi is more of a cultural label than a geographical one. Afghanistan’s culture is a central asian nomadic culture centered around the Pakhtuwali code (at least for Pashtuns) which is alien to Indian culture. It’s social structure is not caste ridden but tribal and clannish. It’s culture is Persianized and not Hinduized. Mahmud Ghazni commissioned the writing of the Persian epic Shahnameh in the 10th century, and not the Mahabharat. They speak Pashtun and Dari (a variation of Farsi) and no Indian languages. The other ethnicities such as the Tajiks, Uzbeks, and hazaras are also central asian and practice cultures that are completely different from India’s.
          In conclusion:
          Afghans are NOT desis
          Bhabhi is a retard
          visit http://www.pashtunforums.com if you don’t want to take my word for it.

        6. “Right, but technically Afghanistan is in South Asia, so by that metric.”
          It is not the geography, but the culture, behenji. The very idea of Afghans as desis ridiculously laughable. Afghanistan is a Central Asian tribal culture, through and through, with none of the feudal caste hierarchy prevalent in your desi homeland. Seriously Bhabiji, your rhetoric on cultures are getting wilder by the day. It is like watching a Nickelodeon cartoon show and trying to understand the real world from it.

        7. “It is not the geography, but the culture, behenji. The very idea of Afghans as desis ridiculously laughable.”
          Not to the Afghans who try to weasle their way into South Asian Clubs.

        8. Its considered South Asia, not by me, but by people who matter. Really, I couldn’t care less if that shit hole was included in South Asia or not, but it is, by scholars, geographers and the like. Take it out on them.

        9. I don’t think the term Oriental Jew is un Pc. It generally refers to those whose ancestors came from East Caucasian lands, rather than all non Ashkenazi jews.

  9. Like I said in an earlier post, the government used to give scholarships to go abroad in Afghanistan during the 60s.
    But I’ll be honest with you, despite a few good entrepreneurial Afghans and Persians that immigrated to the US from that generation, most Afghans are people I would not like to associate with. I’m talking about the gel-slicked. Ehsan loving types.
    But my family was always isolated. Dad died in the 80s, so I didn’t really have a chance to connect with more members of my Afghan family. He was an outcast because he came to the US way before the war.

    1. “most Afghans are people I would not like to associate with”
      Can’t argue with you there. I’m not totally comfortable with them claiming “desi-ship” myself. Nevertheless, Ishmael, PIX OR GTFO!

      1. You still dated a handful of Afghan refugee, bottom of the barrel types.
        Or do you want to come forward and say the majority of your dates are a lie? 🙂 It’s okay, sweetheart.

        1. Ishu, I already stated I have standards and don’t date “bottom of the barrel types”. However I’m not hypergamous, I often date men I think are beneath me in at least one way, culturally, religiously, intellectually, family background, whatever.
          But not looks. For looks they must be my equal or higher.
          Post your pic.

        2. “For looks they must be my equal or higher.”
          I don’t think when Ishmeal talked about bottom feeding, he talked from your relative perspective. Even if you date someone higher than you on the looks scale, you’d be still dating ugly.

        3. @AI, no idea what she’s getting at. She just wants to prove a point for female equality by claiming she fucks men for their looks and doesn’t care for their social position or intellect (hah?) or culture. Afghan refugees (or any war refugee) is pretty low. Hey! but Bhab thought they were cute!
          Send her to the inner cities to get gangbanged. She’ll enjoy those men and will be roughed up. After she’s done she will think its the same as a man getting a row of women to give blowjobs to him. Sex in itself is a very dominant/submissive thing…that is why there was such stigma to the be ”bottom” in pederast ridden Greece. Submission is always weak.
          That’s why alpha women are very careful with who they go out with. They go with only the best – that means intellectually and culturally the best as well. They maintain a good long relationship with a suitable mate. She’s no whore. Bhab has a seething feminist hatred because she thinks men fuck anything with a hole.
          Penis Envy, look it up, Bhab. Sex is great for a man. No pain. Every hole is pleasure. But a woman runs the risk of being severely taken physical advantage of by a man off the street. They’re weaker physically and vulnerable. Women need to have stronger, longer lasting relationships. Ugly truth.
          But, we’re more on topic now. This isn’t a thread about Central/South Asia, its about women!

        4. @ Ishmael
          She is a reactionary. A woman who has been scorned. She goes out of her way to express her hatred of men she feels are her targets (including Robert Lindsay on an occasion, after he called off on her bullshit). Someone with a vendetta.
           
          She has a rather specific hatred for desi guys though. She was probably rejected by Indian men she desired, presumably because of her not-so-flattering appearance, so she trolls online about how she isn’t attracted to desi guys and how they are all “mama’s boys”. She relates in considerable detail of how she bangs ‘hot men’ of all other races except desis, perhaps as an act of ‘showing the middle finger’ to desi men, who she hopes will read about her ‘exploits’ and burn with envy. To accentuate it, she also goes out of her way to tell men how they can’t do what she did (~date inter-racial), which she hopes would foster a sense of insecurity in them (so that she gets her ‘revenge’ for the rejection). For all her touting the ‘western civilization’ and feminism, she is characteristically a desi and a Hindu – one who plays very crude interpersonal games and pits people against one another (a desi behaviour that is VERY despised outside the Indian mainland)
           
          Radical feminism like hers is almost always reactionary. There is usually a wound behind it, so I can’t honestly blame her for the hatred. The Hindu feudal system of mainland India is very harsh on young women, with cultural misogyny being played out at a very vile and savage level. It is only slightly better than the FGM culture of Egypt. Hence, these women jump into feminist bandwagon at the very first opportunity.

        5. @ Ishmael
          And for the record, I doubt she’d enjoy getting ‘gangbanged’. She is still a desi and despite all her tom-toming butchiness, she has an element of sexual and religious conservatism. Its one thing playing a vendetta against men in online blogs and quite another thing to have all their ‘exploits’ happen for real.

    1. Pashtun – Irainian descendents (rural, tribal and independent, notorious warriors. Typically ran the country politically and militarily)
      Tajik – Iranian descendents (usually urban and heavy into trading. Most of the Northern Alliance and Kabul are Tajik)
      Hazara/Uzbeg/Turkmen – Largely Non Iranian Turko/Mongoloid with caucasian blood mixed in. Pretty sure Robert has a post on these races.
      Dota seems very knowledgeable regarding the races in the region, maybe he’ll clear it up a bit more than I can. Like I said, I never been there or know many Afghans. Most of my knowledge is through reading.

      1. Dota seems very knowledgeable regarding the races in the region, maybe he’ll clear it up a bit more than I can.
        You give me far too much credit my friend as my knowledge of Iran and Afghanistan is sadly lacking. I do know that the pashtuns are an Iranic people and I’m somewhat familiar with their tribal code, but as far as races go, I know very little. Commenter Cyrus could easily illuminate the matter as his knowledge of central Asia is extraordinary. He usually lurks around here from time to time and I do wish he would comment more like in the old days.

        1. I don’t know a ton about the Pashtun, but they do have a notorious reputation for being gay pedophiles, which is particularly true in Southern Afghanistan. I even once heard a joke somewhere that birds flying over Kandahar use one of their wings to cover up their rear ends.

    1. NO. And its not who *I* consider Desi. Its the geography of South Asia. Frankly, like I said before, I’m not entirely comfy with Afghanis claiming Desiutva, but what can I do? Shoot ’em?

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