Alt Left: The Failed State of India Grew from the Indian Mind

Seriously? writes:

This blog tries too hard, and still only manages to draw one or two angry Indians — if that.

There is no hatred of the ‘White man,’ including even of the British, because Whites aren’t special enough to warrant hating. While there’s a consistent income gap between Black and White Americans, there is an even larger Indian-White income gap in favor of Indians.

India’s relationship with so-called White nations is similar to that of Japan. We don’t feel threatened and are progressing quickly enough to put history behind us.

But I think you’ve missed a fundamental shared characteristic of Indians, so much so that this blog can never be reconciled with reality. In fact, of all the stereotypes of Indians, I think this is the only one with any real merit. Indians have a kind of “brotherly love” predisposition which is hard to describe.

The second a Pakistani, for example, shows any type of support for an Indian, he or she can expect an endless stream of positive responses and absolutely no negative ones.

Recently there was a poll done to determine India’s second (after Gandhi) “greatest” individual. India’s first Muslim president received the most votes, even over the likes of even Nehru, who only ranked 15th. Despite the poll’s assumption that Gandhi was bar none the greatest Indian, polls including Gandhi invariably show Ambedkar (India’s Dalit activist and philosopher) ahead, usually ranking Ambedkar first or second.

But I guess you still may be able to twist this around to still trash Indians.

I suspect the main motivation for this blog and the posters on here is that Indians you come across don’t consider you as great as you consider yourselves. This ends up coming across as arrogance to you, so you feel the need to react by trying to situate them further below you in the imaginary hierarchy you had before meeting them. Indians don’t react as negatively as you had hoped and so the effect is repeated and overall magnified.

Combine that with confirmation bias and then you eventually reach the conclusion that Indians have no good qualities whatsoever, have never accomplished anything, and are scheming to take over the world. But you can’t afford them anything positive, so you then say they don’t have the capability to do anything special like take over the world in the first place. It’s all pretty sad, really.

That is very interesting about that poll.

But how come every Hindu one meets has an extreme hatred of Muslims and/or Pakistan then? What’s it about? If Ambedkar is such a hero to most Indians, then why is India still mired in the most barbaric casteism known to mankind.

It doesn’t make any sense.

And I am starting to think that like most Indians, just about everything “Seriously?” says is a lie. There is hatred of the White man, and it’s most prominent among Hindus. Among Hindutvadis and on Hindutvadi websites, hatred for European White Christians and their civilization is quite extreme. I have even seen some of it in Indian nationalist Sikhs (most of the Sikhs in my town are actually strident Indian nationalists).

I treat Indian people the same way I treat any other human. I thought they were extremely cool for a long time until I finally started to figure out what was really going on with these people, and since then, I have been less than impressed.

The most arrogant of all Indians around my town are surely the Hindus. They are much worse than the Sikhs. They have a strange attitude. They really do think they and their civilization is superior, but on the other hand, they are not going to tell you two words about it, and if you ask them anything about it, they get suspicious and hostile and act like they think like you are an enemy spy, and they clam up and shut down.

What you have here are people who have extreme pride in one of the backwards, barbaric, and reactionary civilizational structures known to mankind. From a Left POV, that is nothing to cheer about.

Then you look at the country they have created, or really destroyed, and you start to put it all together. This throwback socio-religious culture has created one of the most outrageous and pathetic civilizational trainwrecks and failed states on the Earth. Of course the civilizational pileup we see on the ground was created cognitively and emotionally by the barbarism inculcated in the Indian mind. The two must be connected.

As long as backwards barbarism continues to rule the Indian mind, we will continue to see the smoking ruins on the ground.

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118 thoughts on “Alt Left: The Failed State of India Grew from the Indian Mind”

  1. You don’t see the blatant flaw in your logic? Your theory of Indians is unfalsifiable. If they profess to hate whites and Muslims, then sure, it bolsters your theory. If they claim to love whites and Muslims, however, you can always fall back on calling it a lie, as you and others on this blog always seem to do. When you consider that almost all of India’s Bollywood heroes are Muslim; when you consider essentially every Indian poll ever conducted, the distance between your image of them and Indians themselves becomes both stranger and larger. It reveals all of these characteristics of Indians you’ve concocted have been just that: concoctions, with no proof in sight. Pointing to some BJP Hindutvas compares to conflating the KKK or Sarah Palin with Americans.
    When you call a civilization “barbaric and reactionary” (as if so-called white civilizations have not been/are not still called the same), you force Indians who otherwise don’t consider India the greatest civilization on the planet to defend themselves like it is.
    Personally, both comparing individuals and civilizations past a certain extent is nonsensical. “The greatest civilization” does not exist, nor has it ever existed. I have never met an Indian who does not feel the same way. But when confronted with someone who likes to bolster his own civilization at the expense of yours, there’s no doubt you can make a convincing case for India being incredibly influential — as much as you can for any other civilization.
    I sympathize with the Muslims who post about Indians on here, because they are the most hated group of people on the planet, due to no fault of their own. As a result, it becomes both convenient and relieving to divert hatred whenever and wherever possible. When you’re constantly called backwards and a relic of the Middle Ages as Muslims so often are, I’m sure finding someone such as you, who for once finds another group more “barbaric,” seems refreshing.
    All the criticisms you have of Indian culture, however, mirror those of European culture. It’s partially why they’re so difficult to take seriously. Ask a Jew, an African, a Muslim, white academics — almost anyone who isn’t a far right white Christian (not implying that you are one) — who they think has been more “barbaric and reactionary” through the ages. I’m sure doing so will foster some humility and self-awareness.
    P.S. You deleted my link showing India as the most pro-US nation.

    1. Your country NEEDS to be bashed. Bashed in the exact same way that these Muslims are. Welcome to the club. Now you know how they feel. I actually feel we should lay off the Muslims a bit and distribute some of the outrage to you all instead. You are getting off easy because you are good capitalists and you are not attacking us for whatever reason and I for one intend to rectify that.
      What’s wrong is that your average Hindutvadi says that everyone loves Muslims and Christians and that there’s no caste problem, but then you dig around a bit, and you figure out it’s a gigantic lie. And the guys who are saying that are usually bashing Christians and Muslims at the same time. Just like a typical Lying Indian.
      If there are Indian Hindus who actually like Muslims and Christians, well, I would like to meet one. Because I have not yet met one, and I have talked to countless Hindus.
      Just more of your lies…

      1. I just owned and argued with this guy on how it was impossible that Indian Brahmins are more superior and had superior countries compared to China or Korea/Japan, the Midde East or even Europe (which he claimed are). Why the hell is he back after deeming everyone here inferior to Indian brahmic superiority and a waste time to argue with due to his intellectual superiority?

        1. lol “owned…this guy.”
          I do think that high caste Indians are smarter than whites and East Asians, but I never translated that into superiority. Is a physicist inherently superior to laymen? Maybe to you. Not to me. I think stratifying people based on traits like intelligence is both wrong and pointless, except when dividing labor.

        2. Yes and you never had any reasonable proof and you were thoroughly demolished by every reasonable person on this blog, including me, when you decided to make that ridiculous claim.

        3. High caste Indians smart, HA HA HA HA HA smarter then Whites and Asians HA HA HA HA given it only took Whites a few hundred years to invent modern science, space technology, every modern convenience that YOU, aka Indians take advantage of but failed to invent despite thousands of years. Jeez I wonder why Indians have to come to “White countries” and prove their superiority in institutions and vacuums created by “whites” but not their own countries. Hmmm I’m gonna have to think that one through there brilliant guy!!

        4. One man’s “reasonable person” is another’s white supremacist, apparently. I don’t really care either way. I think I did provide adequate proof, but if you believe otherwise, that’s fine with me.
          The difference is again just that you think intelligence confers superiority, so it becomes more important to you than me to prove who is more intelligent. To me, it’s just a matter of understanding why the Indian diaspora is so successful socioeconomically and academically. To you, it’s about justifying your existence. And I have no qualms with you wanting to feel better about yourself.

        5. Oh no! Now you are deceptively and conveniently shifting the blame towards someone else, first from making the claim that Indians brahmins are more smarter then Whites (which is a bullshit lie, and which everyone disproved), to claiming that I am only jealous because of “Indian economic success” which ironically has to ONLY occur in the U.S or the Western world. It’s not superiority per say when really it’s that you are crying about me claiming it, and don’t say that “I” only think it when every other person on this blog shares my opinion pretty much. I don’t mind Vietnamese, Fillipino’s, North Africans, Arabs, Eastern Europeans, South East Asians, Japanese, Koreans, Brazillians, Chileans, Scandinivians,Argentinians, Puerto Ricans, Persians, Central Asians, etc I don’t have any qualms or any claims of superiority over such groups and I would welcome them into my country. However I do have a problem with INDIANS and every other unfortunate non-Indian that had to deal with them does so and I don’t like how these parasites hoard and destroy entire countries by re-creating their primitive countries. No one is jealous of Indians because their really is nothing be jealous about them except that they come in and destroy countries which I don’t want happening here.

        6. Please, Jake, as I’ve already pointed out, “more smarter” is wrong. It’s actually what people say when they’re trying to be ironic. For your own sake, stop being an idiot when you’re trying to sound smart.
          http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_more_smarter_good_grammar
          Now you can be that much better at trolling the next Indian that comes along. But you’ll fail then, too.

        7. Good to see that once I thoughtfully and thoroughly disproved our Indian “brahmin” here, the only thing he can respond with is a childish and petty insult to cover up his ego and losses. Instead of responding to me in a rigorous and intellectual manner, which i’m sure this guy is incapable of, he doesn’t do anything except pursue the option that people resort to as a last measure in an argument. Indians are a joke and beyond hopeless, “high caste” Indians are also a joke and pathetic to the point of scumbaggery, mockery and supreme degrees of being pathetic.

        8. Interestingly in other countries besides the Western World, where Indians congregation or migrate to in large numbers, they are marginalized to ghettos or become a huge burden on the host country. In Singapore and NE Asian countries, Indians are simply pushed down and are relegated to inferior positions. In the ME they are a joke and are second class citizens and treated as such. Japan surprisingly does not want Indians despite being a first world country with “first world” needs. Everything that Indians have created from technology to weapons simply fail.

        9. I’m sorry for, I’m sure, coming across as condescending. I know that only forces you to become more and more virulent towards Indians. I haven’t been taking you very seriously, and I truly do feel bad about that.
          But, I’m curious, how old are you, Jake? I don’t encounter this much dislike of Indians often, so I’d like to know the demographic I’m dealing with.
          To make it fair, I’m 21.

        10. No one here takes you “seriously” either, because you sprout the same lying and hilariously unbelievable bullshit that Indians here do. However everyone is trying to be reasonable but it’s hard to do when you are dealing with an “Indian”. You people are such a joke, it’s more hilarious seeing you guys arguing in circles over and over again.

        11. Actually, Jake, Indians in Singapore are known for being successful. Only the recent migrant cheap labor is in any way disadvantaged. Singapore has had 2 Indian prime ministers, one Indian deputy prime minister, and 3 Indian presidents. And they only comprise 9% of the population. The current deputy prime minister in Singapore is actually Indian. So much for “relegated to inferior positions,” huh?
          However, you never told me your age.

        12. Yes and who created Singapore and made it a first world country? If I say the British then I am obviously a white supremacist, so I am going to take the convenient route here. Lee Yuan Kew, the guy who made Singapore what it is today is not an Indian and didn’t need the help of “Indians” to make it such. It’s funny how because the Chinese were willing to throw a bone to seem “progressive”, it’s proof of “high-caste” Indian superiority. You still haven’t shown how “other” NE Asian countries and South East countries treat Indians such as Hong Kong, Japan, Malaysia, Thailand, China, Korea etc etc etc. I’m sure it’s not pretty and not too good eh?

        13. I believe there is a saying in South East Asian cultures, pertaining to Indians, it goes some thing like this: “when you see a dangerous snake and an Indian, kill the indian first!”
          Nothing too positive to boast about huh?

        14. The thing is, Indians are incredibly successful in Hong Kong, Thailand, Norway, Germany, and England, etc. too. Only low numbers of Indians are found in Korea or the Middle East. Literally in every country there are a large number of Indians, Indians are known as the intelligent, wealthy model minorities. Translate the Chinese youtube comments on Indians in Hong Kong and they all call Indians smart.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Asianism
          But it’s not just in countries that have large numbers of Indians. The Japanese have always loved Indians, too. It was an Japanese scholar on Indian philosophy who began the Pan-Asianism movement during World War II.
          Only one foreigner is enshrined at Yasukuni, reserved for Japan’s past war heroes, and it’s an Indian judge.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasukuni_Shrine

        15. Admittedly, though, the Chinese and many people in Hong Kong don’t like Indians, because many see them as competition. But yeah, you get the point. Indians are basically the new Jews of the world.

        16. Wait let me get this straight since you are just straight pulling out of your ass:
          Germany has no major Indian populations and do not let major immigration into their countries since after all they are sort of racist and nationalistic. The only immigrant group they have let in numbers are Turks and they are much more “whiter” then Indians yet suffer xenophobia. I’ve never heard of German Indians being successful or any Indian from Germany, so you have to be pulling shit out of your ass. Germany does not contain any major Indian populations at all, they are nothing like “America or England”.
          Indians are so successful in Thailand apparently, that the Thai have sayings of killings Indians instead of snakes when faced with those two things. The infamous prostitutes of Thailand that drive the Thai economy, will refuse and deny their services whenever an Indian wants to patronize them. Infact the Thai hate Indians ALOT and deny them services or treat them like trash. They have a lot of euphemism in their dictionaries towards Indians apparently. In Norway and Scandinavian countries, I’ve heard a guy casually refer to them as the “Mexicans of Scandinivia” and I don’t think they really like them that much. England I’ve heard lots of bad stories, they have always been xenophobic and treated Indians like their slaves. The Sikhs were their defacto slave warriors in their world wars and the Brits commited acts of horrible slaughters of Indians during their rule while treating them like second class citizens. Everything i’ve heard of the Brits with Indians involve racist language of one sort or another and second class citizenry.
          EVERY SINGLE youtube video I have seen involving Chinese (Hong Kong included) and Indians show the Chinese vitriolically saying garbage and horrible insults about Indians. Every youtube video I have mentioned involving the two groups USUALLY ends up in NE Asians saying Indians are something along the lines of being dirty and ugly. This extends to Koreans and the Japanese too, so your Indian style tactics of using individuals and applying it as a whole won’t work here buddy. Japanese and Chinese Buddhism is NOTHING like it’s Indic originator and counter part so you can’t claim they needed “Indians” to build their civilizations. How surprising that Indians are not a “model minority” in the Middle East or the Gulf countries or places where they really are a “minority”. The Japanese love Indians so much that despite their supposed “praise” of them, will not under any circumstances let them into their country in large numbers. In Malaysia and other South East Asian countries, Indians really are treated like second class citizens and are “pests”. Indians are the Jews of the world HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! You are saying like that’s a good thing, you guys are NOWHERE near their level and never will be, your con artistry and ability to steal shit from others is still sub par and shitty; Indians are always so good at spewing hilarious garbage, it just gets more funnier but just sad and annoying at the same time ROFL.

        17. “Seriously” HA HA HA HA what a name, I’m sure by now you must have heard about how the Chinese forced your “High caste Indians” to eat their feces and urine in public when they attempted to be the “Jews of world” ROFL!! Since you are a smart guy, why don’t you search that story up by yourself? I’m sure Asians (especially NE Asians), love Indians so much and are at constant awe of their superior “brahmins”.

        18. Not bad, you managed to type 521 words and managed to attack none of my points, let alone disprove them. 1) Only about 10%-40% of the Indians in any country are high caste; most are mid caste and low caste. 2) Your post rambles on and on about racism towards Indians, as if Indians aren’t racist against whites and Asians, too; and as if it has anything to do with my point.
          Any minority will face discrimination, so nothing you’re saying is impressive, even if true. None of that has to do with what I said, which is that Indians are socioeconomically and academically successful in more or less every country they live in.
          Anyways, you’re boring me now. I asked a simple question, and you’re refusing to answer. But that’s fine. I have better things to do.

        19. And before Robert uses what I said as proof that Indians do in fact hate whites, racism towards whites is subtle and doesn’t amount to anything like hatred. Most Indian parents would much rather have an Indian suitor than a white one. But it’s a harmless kind of racism, which acknowledges equality, but tries to maintain cultural and ethnic continuity.
          In some rare circumstances, however, high caste Indians do see whites as simple-minded, intellectually inferior even. And it’s an easy prejudice to foster when you and your kids get perfect SAT scores, go to elite schools, and all the other high caste people you know do the same.

        20. Neither did you respond to me and even counter even 10% of what I said, you really are just annoying and wasting everyone’s time here. Only a percentage of them are Brahmins, ok apparently they are so smart that they just had one of their members be forced to drink the feces and urine of Chinese businessmen. I wonder why the Chinese would ever make someone do something like that!!!! In addition, if high caste Indians were so smart, they would be inventing plasma generators in their own country but they are so smart they have to come “flocking” to the U.S. They have to take “White made” tests and “White institutions” just to prove how superior they are as “brahmins” but they can’t admittedly do that elsewhere or in their own country, I wonder why?

        21. Indians are a “model-minority” in every country they go to ROFL that’s funny. Like I said, you haven’t countered anything except resorting to petty insults and then making bizzare to hilarious comments about Indians being supreme beings. You still haven’t said much about the Gulf Arab countries which I believe a high percentage of Indians are, including High caste Indians, and they are anything but successful. Only in countries where there is another race or ethnic group that hands out economic opportunities in the said country are “brahmins” successful. Every where else Indians are marginalized into ghettos or second tier citizenship and this includes high caste Indians.
          I’ve heard so much crap from Levantine and the Arabic upper class of places like the Gulf and the Middle East, pertaining to Indians, (including higher caste or central Asian looking ones) that really I have a hard time believing in the greatness of “Indian economic success”. I believe we had a Lebanese Maronite Christian on here on one of Robert racial blog posts, and the amount of shit and his candid description of both high caste and average day Indians was just perfect and entirely descriptive to the point where my head was just nodding. You should search that post up, I’m sure you are a smart “high-caste” Indian, you can find it pretty fast.

      2. That’s pretty much it Robert, they get of easy and this fuels their already gigantic superiority complex. The US media in particular portrays Indians in a primarily positive light (like every Indian Hindu is like Raj from the Big bang theory) and this affects the way Indians view themselves too. You can pretty much see this from Bhabijhi/AP’s posts whose knowledge of Indian history, culture, and Hinduism is shallow at best and tainted with romanticism.

        1. ” You can pretty much see this from Bhabijhi/AP’s posts whose knowledge of Indian history, culture, and Hinduism is shallow at best and tainted with romanticism.”
          Dota, name me 3 authentic Hindu sampradayas, they’re end goals as well as their methods for attainment, and the ways in which they are similar and different to another.
          I’d like to see how deep your knowledge of my religion and culture runs.

        2. Hold on AP, let me enroll in Indian Philosophy 101 and get back to you. Would you like my response in MLA or APA?

        3. I expected such a comment from you, you wittle desi wimp of a mama’s boy.
          You thought you could come on this blog and represent Hinduism, despite being a muslim, because you were born in India. You think you can accuse an actual practicing Hindu of “shallow knowledge” of her own culture and religion and she would back down out of ignorance. OK, desi boy, lets have it. But you can’t. Because despite being born and having lived a few years only in India, you know nothing of Hinduism at all. And that’s a shame.
          So come, lets have it, if my knowledge of my own religion is “shallow” – lets see what you got. And no google. If you’re knowledge is not shallow and superficial you should be able to answer my very simple question right off the top of your wobbly little desi head.

        4. Well apparently there is no such thing as an “Indian”; Dota could just be one of those European looking or North Indian types and having that phenotype allows him to be free of the cultural hindrances and association that most Indians suffer from, in relation to their country. In short he has the choice of being an outsider, having no affiliation or loyalty, and having the views of an outsider but having the knowledge because of his past participation in it. So really he can badmouth and get away with it, in realistic terms and not have any counteractions thereafter.

        5. Jake, except when I, as an Indian woman, reveal the real reason behind India’s failure (sexism, family obsession, the joint family household, Indian men never individuating from their mothers thus being made psychologically impotent, etc) he, like other Desi guys here (regardless of religion or lack thereof) dodge the issue. Instead they want to bicker amongst themselves “its Hinduism’s fault, its Islam’s fault, its the fault of the British Raj, blah blah blah, instead facing head on that its our suffocating family culture that never allows us to grow up and become independent movers and shakers.
          I don’t care that he’s a muslim who’s ignorant of HInduism. But if he’s going to have the arrogance to call ME, a practicing Hindu who studied the various sects of my religion “superficial and shallow” regarding Hinduism, then he better come drop some hard wisdom regarding Hinduism up in here!
          Scroll through this blog and see the utter ignorance wrt Hinduism Dota displayed when he thought he was the only Desi on board. Then see how he wimpers and backs down with his short tail between his legs once he’s asked to actually demonstrate some knowledge about it!
          Typical weird, awkward, head-wobbling desi guy tactics.
          And he’s from Maharastra therefore its doubtful he’s North Indian, unless he’s a Bihari transplant and Bihar is the absolute most backward state in all of India and the men from there are short, effeminate and very unattractive. That’s why they have to have arranged marriages. No woman out of her own free will would marry them.

        6. AP/Bhabiji
          I’m not representing Hinduism here and I never said I was. I am interested in Hindu ethics and not Hindu theology. I might not be able to list as many deities of the top of my head or list all the Upanishads in alphabetical order but I do have a basic understanding of Hindu metaphysical concepts and the belief systems that underpin Hindu ethics. I also stand by what I had said earlier, you’re knowledge of Indian culture and Hinduism is rather shallow. When you talk about these things you reason by analogy and not empirical evidence (congress = democrats? lol) and you sound like you’re reading out of a text book obtained from a philosophy 101 class. I know this because in your previous posts you’ve always struggled to reconcile your romantic Hari Krishna Hinduism to the Hobbseian Hinduism of the Indian street. In-fact, Steve showed a far thorough understanding of Hinduism when responding to Hacienda’s query http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2011/11/26/asian-philosophers-thread-open-topic/#comment-70177. All you did in that thread was bitch about mama’s boys. The link is there for all to see. Get over yourself Skanklet.
          You’re knowledge of Western traditions, philosophy, and ethical systems is also lacking. To your childlike mind feminism = Western civilization. You want to learn something about the West? Pick up a bible silly child.
          I’m also not dodging any issues here because there isn’t one to begin with. You’ve already made up your solipsistic little mind about Desi men and arranged marriages so why bother arguing about it? You’re convinced that your static social observations posses the factual truth of a geometric theorem so I say bully for you. And lastly, while I know what Sampradyas and paramparas are, I can’t name any of the top of my head. So:
          Hindu studies 101: 1
          Dota: 0

        7. @ Dota
          You’re right about the image of Indians in the media.
          At worst, they’re portrayed as socially awkward nerds, who perhaps speak with funny accents.
          They’re still generally depicted as intelligent, hard working, etc.

        8. “(congress = democrats? lol) ”
          I never said congress = democrats, you fucking fool.
          Like before Dota, you’re backed in a corner and cannot answer my question BECAUSE YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HINDUISM except for the negative opinions in your mind.
          ” I am interested in Hindu ethics and not Hindu theology. ”
          Of which you said they are “immoral”.
          “You’re convinced that your static social observations posses the factual truth of a geometric theorem so I say bully for you.”
          Apply that to your own static social observations about Hinduism. Amazing that you can’t even see how what you write about other people (and I’ve seen several of your ridiculous comments) APPLIES TO YOU.
          You have nothing at all good to say about Hindus or Hinduism, but if anyone offers a valid critique of Islam you are on it like white on rice in full defense and offense modes, to the extent that your defense of hundreds if not thousands of Muslims blocking the open streets of Paris with their asses up in the air in “prayer” was “a sign of piety”
          LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF?
          I cornered you once and made you wax apologetic about being associated with that “religion”, don’t make me do it again, bitch.
          “No, I no longer believe the Quran fell from the sky”.
          You’re so fucking confused you wouldn’t know if it fell out of your ass.

        9. “”but if anyone offers a valid critique of Islam you are on it like white on rice in full defense and offense modes, “”
          No, I defend Muslims and not Islam. Did I respond to any of Robert’s points on Islam in his “india-hater” thread? Similarly, I defend Hindus when they are mistreated in Pakistan and Bangladesh. I might not like their religion, but they are human beings and deserve to be treated with respect and dignity. My second biggest beef with Pakistan is regarding the manner in which they treat their Hindu and Christian minorities. I admit (I’ve always admitted this) that I am an anti semite, that while I’m indifferent to Judaism, I do harbour a dislike for the Jewish people. Atleast I’m honest about it. You seem to harbour the same dislike for the various Muslim peoples (and not just their religion) but you’re just too dishonest to admit it. You try you’re hardest to incite people’s passions against the human beings rather than their religion despite your shallow pretenses to the contrary.
          As I said before, praying on the streets is a sign of piety where the street itself becomes the mosque. Muhammad had said that all the world’s a prayer place and this is what these muslims were doing in France. Muslims also do this in Dubai and the middle east as well, do they need a show of power there too? I remember praying on the street outside Salman Farsi Mosque in Deira Dubai when I was a kid. The only thing I accomplished was holding up a bit of traffic on a generally unused street behind Salahuddin road. I’ve been on this blog for a year and Robert considers me his friend (I see him as a close friend too) and if you’ll forgive a lapse in modesty, I’m generally respected here despite my temper. You on the other hand are comic relief that nobody takes seriously.
          Look Bhabiji, as Aakash said, when you go into bitch rant mode, there’s no point engaging you. It’s still pretty funny how valmiki is a shudra in your book and how congress is left wing.I also find your triumphalism to be childishly amusing. I’m happy that you feel like you bested me, everybody needs to feel worthwhile now and then. Now run along back to your hari krishna temple and discuss the 7 schools with your pothead hippie and sappy liberal friends.

      3. If you’re looking for an Indian to go out of his way to proclaim love for Christians and Muslims, you’re not going to find one. My Brahmin Hindu mother has four best friends, whom she spends all hours of the day talking to: two Pakistani Muslims, a Sikh, and a white Christian. No Hindus. She has no need to go around showing this off to prove her tolerance.
        What you’re asking for is unreasonable. Indians don’t run onto the streets, trumpeting their respect for other groups of people. No one does. It’s true some Indian American communities are insulated, but much less than Muslim and East Asian ones.
        You guys kind of remind me of newly converted high school atheists, who, upon hearing not everything they’ve been told about Christianity has been accurate, go out of their way to make Christians (in this case Indians) much worse than than they really are. It’s all really just an angry reaction to what you perceive as a lie.
        I’m sure you’ve heard of the lost tribes of Israel, the Parsis, etc. who found refuge in India. I’m sure you can also imagine few other places, much less Europe, would have absorbed these diverse groups and accepted them so fully. There’s no denying that, while not all Indian Hindus are tolerant, India has been much more tolerant than other civilizations have been. India may very well have been the first truly multicultural society on Earth.
        Think about it, India has all the major religions (along with many minor ones), perhaps a hundred different ethnic groups, all coexisting. It’s been that way for thousands of years and still is now. Now think about Pakistan which was once the same way, where all the other major religious groups have since been all but wiped out.
        But I guess when you found out that India wasn’t entirely the land of peace, and there have been a few attacks against Muslims, you suddenly brandished this next to meaningless piece of information. You wanted to make Hinduism and India look as bad as Christianity and Islam do. It’s understandable, but both wrong and an exercise in futility.

      4. Islam is a major world religion, the religion of a fifth of humanity. Its the dominant religion of many countries and a significant minority religion in many countries. On the other hand, whatever problems there are with the Indian mentality mostly affect Indians in India. Nobody outside India feels threatened by it and you are not going to be able to get a lot of people to concern themselves with it, the way they do with Islam.

      5. Mr.Robert- To understand Hinduism , you need to understand Basic Hindu Customs and Traditions
        A hindu 1walks into temple to get Material Benefits from Gods, and he Bribes God “Dakshina” to provide him those benefits for money, ofcourse he can’t chant any verses –Brahmin is there to do that work
        A brahmin lobby’s God that –So called Useless moron who is mostly unproductive through out his life –belongs to certain Gothra and Rasi , needs help from you
        A brahmin chants precisely same Verses in sanskrit (Sanskrit is medium of communication in Lobbying -As most idiotic Insecure Hindutva Useful idiot dalits , can’t chant those verses as most of them are difficult to pronounce)
        There are lot of Rituals in Hinduism-All of them are meant for one purpose –Lobbying Gods for Personal Favors
        Hindu uses different decorums to cover-up this hypocrisy , most idiot Hindu Dalits dont know this because, all of this brahmin by product.
        So , an average Hindu( Mostly New age Dalit) spends his life listening and reading about Brahmin Fictional stories.
        Dalit has no God in beginning ,and no identity -He can’t Talk anything about his religion other than..Some Aryabhatta,Susrutha,Pingala or Charaka and their inventions
        Or if Dalit moron is more intelligent he might remember some verses of Adi shankara.
        Apart from this most indians dont even know their Upanishads and Vedas, Almost 90 percent of them have not read Ramayana or Bhagavat Gita
        Most of them only know outline of the story Through TeleVision Sitcoms-(Every Channel has atleast 10 Sticoms which Cater to ancient Hindu Myths, so mostly Dalit Entertainment revolves round these Television Channels)
        Most Dalits can only speak to you about –Television Sitcoms(Religious Sitcoms) and Gods and Godesses Etc.
        Most of them can’t even Remember stories of every God-Well Mr.Robert -There are over 33 Million Hindu Gods,Every one of them has taken reincarnation over 10 times and has fornicated with over 30 Goddess
        Some times-God’s Fornicated with their Own Children
        Example–Brahma Created His wife saraswathi from his sperm and later Designed her and Fornicated with her to Produce a Daughter–Which basically Is incest
        But you see–Hindu Dalits are so stupid that they Forget Incest in their own Religion and Pounce upon Muslims about Muhammad and his Wife Ayesha
        There is a reason why Hindu secretly hates every religion -Infact , even though he doesn’t hate them, he feels him-selves as Superior.
        This is byproduct of Brahminical Brainwashing which has been going on ever since India became a Republic
        -Problem is –In 1947 There is no country named India–Infact India is a British Invention–Call it British experiment
        They have combined 250 Princely States and United them in mythical Land .
        and for First time in History of Subcontinent they gave power to Brahmins.
        Note that-Brahmins never Have Ruled Such a vast proportion of Land ( Hindutva Idiots will mention Ashoka-But Ashoka is an invention of John Princep, Recent evidence shows King Ashoka is actually son of Greeko-Pathian King Xandracotus( Hindus named him Chandragupta ))
        Ever Since Brahmins came into power, Most illiterate Indians were brainwashed with an ideology that they are best and Brightest,Hardworking and Sincere.
        Even Indian media,Movies, Sitcoms,Potray Indians as Hardworking,sincere and most Humble on earth–Which is completely opposite from reality(Most indians are simply Treacherous and Backstabbing)
        Ever since an Child is born in India–He is raised in Mythical Duplicitous culture, which Blames British,Muslims and every colonizer for all social evils and Promotes–“Sanathan Dharma” as only solution for all social problems in india (Which is Nothing but All indians must revert to Hindu Dharma either through force or through persuation)
        This ideology and complete isolation from World economy and Technology has created a Breed of Creature- who is complete Arrogant ,Boastful,Scheming, highly Ethnocentric,Sexually Perverse for White skin —Called “Indian”.
        Late 1990’s Something Strange happened–For first time these Creatures came out of Propaganda Zoo–Now they are seeing the world for first time( I am sure most indians you meet are either first generation or Very few second generation indians).
        Most of them for first time are seeing something marvellous, something so supreme that They have never imagined–A Civilization Built by Another Man whom Hindus always Thought as Inferior.
        Now these Hindu Dalits become Defensive and Defend Their Own Culture–Because Its the only thing they have,but sadly they are not even aware of what their culture is
        A muslim reads Quran,Christian Reads and Recites Bible every Sunday–
        But , Hindu Dalit rarely has a time to read a Veda,or Bhagavat Gita,Or Ramayan all of these Texts are Written in an Alien Language Named Sanskrit which he doesn’t know–He is accustomed to listen those verses from Brahmin- Without Question what they are.
        For entertainment he has seen religious sitcoms–thats the only knowledge he has about his religion
        So, he can’t speak anything about his religion for more than 10 minutes or mostly 20 minutes–If you dig deep, well, he can’t even name His own Gods..
        I have mentioned you several times–Only Brahmin understands what Dalit is–He is our Social Engineered Useful idiot.
        He will never get out of the Cobwebs that we have weaved for him.
        He is stuck there for eternity Robert, he doesn’t know anything about his origin or his Tribal God or his real identity–All he knows is empty Slogan
        JAI Hind–Like a Mad Dog he barks.
        There are many Dictatory Across the world who have Strived to create a Social Utopia and have failed Terribly
        Goebbels was Right–He was Inspired by Brahmin Ideology–Repeat a lie as often as possible,Remove all conflicting ideology from society
        Humanity reinforces itself to a new Ideology–Thats how you alter the faith in society
        Brahmins have mastered this art–and we have Used it with great efficacy
        You will see a Train of Dalits posting underneath this comment and Calling me Pakistani or Some Traitor
        Still clinging onto their Myths–Robert thats how chained these Dogs are–These are pavlovian Dogs,Completely Controlled without their knowledge
        Infact they will praise their own slavery and Defend their abusers , Welcome them with Songs and Garlands
        This is how india operates–It will never change, you have made a mistake by aligning with indians and now you will repent from their parasitic Behavior
        All the best!!!

        1. “Note that-Brahmins never Have Ruled Such a vast proportion of Land ( Hindutva Idiots will mention Ashoka-But Ashoka is an invention of John Princep, Recent evidence shows King Ashoka is actually son of Greeko-Pathian King Xandracotus( Hindus named him Chandragupta.”
          Abe Gandu, woh Chandragupta ka Greek pronunciation hai..
          Now if you have such wisdom, you come and discuss it with me.
          According to your theory Alakshendra should be the real name of Alexender, right?
          The only parasite here is you who survive on the memory spaces to fill with your cyclic crap.

  2. What can you expect of a culture in which the males never individuate from their parents and a creepy Freudian Oedipal complex is not only accepted as normal, its considered “dharmic” and protected and nurtured at the expense of the husband-wife relationship?
    Would you really expect a nation of multi-generational mama’s boys to go anywhere but down?
    Progress depends on individual drive and initiative.

    1. And Bobby, please take note on how NONE of the Desi guys here, Dota, Aakash, Indian Atheist, etc refuse to address this, even though they know its true, they are living examples of it.
      THEY ARE EMBARRASSED AS HELL OVER THIS.
      They will fight amongst themselves blaming India’s state on HInduism, Islam, the Brits, caste, blah, blah, blah, but not a single one of them will address the real problem.
      To anyone else outside of this suffocating Indian mother-son forever living in the joint family situation can see it as a plain as day that this is the core and fundamental problem with India. India’s men have no balls because they are pussy whipped by their mothers, never individuated from them, and are entirely domesticated by them.
      Now, if a few thousand or even few hundred thousand men in any given population are like this, no biggie. But 500 million men in India are like this!

        1. But you’ll never touch the subject. Very convenient.
          Anyway, there’s literally thousands of international blogs discussing it now. Especially since its no longer a problem that just Indian girlfriends and wives have to face anymore, since Desi guys are trying their luck with women globally.

      1. It must suck to be an Indian of any size/shape form that’s not related to any of the European resembling group; imagine if you were Indian and you were transported inside a person of Scandinavian, Persian, Middle Eastern, a valuable non-Indian ethnicity. That would be like a pornographic dream and one of the greatest blessings they could get, too bad that could work out in some sort of alternate universe or spiritual plane of existence.

        1. Jake..
          I have answered you question,Perhaps you have misread my post .
          Well, I answer you question again.
          Dogs are meant to protect their master–Defend the Status Quo created by their master–Work for their master
          War Solves a Purpose in our society,It Balances the status quo, preserves status quo.
          But alternative to War is slavery–Not the slavery enforced through force–But a kind of slavery where slaves completely unaware of their servitude defend their master, uphold his ideals and crave for his masters blessings
          If you can create such kind of servitude , you have done the job to create an artificial Status Quo which can never altered.
          Today in India , it doesn’t matter if Brahmin or Dalit Enters into Power—Both Behave in Same manner
          The status Quo is preserved–No matter who is in power..This structure of Society operates in same manner
          If you can do this–There is no need to kill and commit genocide, its simply waste of energy.
          Most people will kill themselves or die fighting other morons..
          I hope you got it.
          If you carefully look at your western societies–They are heading towards same path –Ofcourse you leaders are inspired by Brahmin ideology dear
          ISLAM Creates Millions of Reactionary violent Morons, who are ready to kill.
          Brahminism creates millions of Subservient morons who fall for little praise from their master and behave like obedient slaves .
          Your Elite are smart and they have made a choice and i suppose you know ,which one they have picked to keep their system running

        2. Indian man Brahmin
          I appreciate your insightful commentary, however the Brahmins have failed to create a status quo because millions of your “dogs” hoard and immigrate to other countries. I’m sure Americans are “aware” of their elites and agendas, and are seeing through this bullshit.

        3. I understand this–Most of the Dogs who were Arrested by Feds for Visa Scam are some Reddy’s or Some Dalit
          Yes ,Dogs have become mad,Don’t worry Dear,World Economy is going down and These Dogs with their Fake degrees will not Have their ride , like they did in 1990’s
          Its sad that you guys trusted these Dogs, and you have detested us for locking these Creatures in Kettle.
          Be Brave,But You have suffer-You invited Disease and Every parasite never harms its host at beginning,It only when parasite breeds,It becomes dangerous and even Body recognises the harm caused by parasite
          It seems americans like you are understanding the parasitic behavior.
          Its good, its painful but its good, you next generation will be lot more healthier, if you take onus and use some Medicine to deport these Parasites permanently
          Even if you dont do it–Dont worry,Economy will take care.
          A non productive parasite cant live for eternity–One day its evil bahavior will be out in open
          every where Indians have landed they bought misery upon themselves
          From Uganda in 1970’s to Australia–
          Sooner of later When economy Goes down and ethnocentrism of indians comes out open and their frauds become more frequent(Because parasite realizes that its time to consider next host–And during that time it Takes as much resources as possible from body–Before moving out)
          And Americans will kick these pests out, ofcourse next century these unworthy creatures can’t survive
          If you watch carefully these pests infect only ENGLISH speaking nations
          When economy tanks and chinese becomes International Business language.These pests will not make their way
          By the way Chinese are well aware of these guys parasitism
          If you dont know–#Search for Chinese Traders Feeding their Faecal Matter and Urine to Indian ambassador
          Chinese and Arabs treat Indians as SEcond class and most indians are happy about that
          You white Folk have given these ungrateful creatures all respect and you are getting Shit paid back –Thats how indians operate

      2. Bhabiji is Right,India is a Mangina Society–Well its a feminine Society
        Most Feminine Features of Jealousy,Backstabbing,Scheming operating as an Ethnocentric Groups is seen in most indians
        Most indians dont use their logic, they are reactionary and are over emotional–Which is another feminine character
        Seems Otto weininger is right –We are going through a Generation of Human Race,Mostly with Feminized men and Over Masculine Women
        But Nature will create alternative –Sooner or Later this cycle will reverse and Feminine Nations like Will crawl back to their kitchen and Will nag for another 500 years ,
        Read Otto weininger’s “Sex and Character” To understand what is happening in Human society
        This is not some unparalleled event -It has happened before and will happen in coming Centuries
        Its evolutionary Process
        Feminine Bitching Mangina nations like India will Fall and more masculine nations will come out —Perhaps they might re-colonize India once again
        Indians are fucking afraid of this.
        That’s why they always Chant and Repeat –Who their enemy is
        ISLAM or Christianity–Both these Religions produced Masculine men who Pounded these mangina Indians for centuries
        There is no doubt its one of the reason why Indians (Especially Hindus Despise ISLAM and British so much)

        1. “ISLAM or Christianity–Both these Religions produced Masculine men who Pounded these mangina Indians for centuries”
          ALL SOUTH ASIAN MEN ARE MAMA’S BOYS regardless of religion. You really think South Asian Muslims and Christians are not? They are all the same because of South Asia’s family structure in which boys are not allowed to individuate upon reaching young adult and because of the arranged marriage and joint family living system.
          I’m a woman and let me tell you that amongst South Asian men it is rare to find one that is sexually attractive, not because they are not good looking but because ALL South Asian men have this problem.
          And just see the way Dota backed down from answering my simple question. Fucking coward.
          He supposedly lives in Canada yet went back to India to get a wife! Why? Because only a coconut oil in her hair bheinji could even stand to be around such a muslim “man”.
          Mr International Cosmopolitan Renaissance Muslim can’t even get a Canadian woman to look sideways at him.
          Adaab!

      1. Yes no one wants them anywhere else in the world and I want to see proof of their “intellectual superiority”, which they haven’t shown really. Too be honest Indians are just racially and genetically inferior as a race, perhaps a case can be made for the North Indians but still, they are just ugly and inferior. The Aryans should have just genocided and killed everyone to save the future suffering, filth, degradation that would have happened today.

        1. Jake is the rabid white dog of this blog. Frothing at the mouth and ready to strike at anyone. He should have been aborted to prevent another retard from breathing a share of my air.
          Hey Jake, back to your cage now. I’m coming with the voltage. 110V should suffice. Your ass will be fried once and for all and believe me, it will prevent future degradation of America.

      2. Exactly,Every Morning 600 million Indians intiate themselves to Dump their own Faecal matter onto the ground which they walk.
        They urinate in Drinking water and wash clothes , throw dead bodies
        Their Drive will lead them to abyss and their initiatives will be lost in petty politics and backstabbing
        Their only resource is their slave labor mindset and slave labor wages
        As long as slave labor thrives these Indian parasites exist on earth

      3. Indians have drive, yes, but the “resourcefulness” bit is somewhat iffy. Would you say this resourcefulness is the same resourcefulness that the Southern Chinese have?

      4. Shah jahan even Understood This–Thats why he built Tajmahal with low paid Indian Coolies for his darling
        Problem with today’s indians is that These Dalits are not trained properly.
        It is necessary to create artificial crisis in India to Train these Dogs properly for 2 more generations

  3. Robert
    Is there a way you can restrict users posting on specific topics? That way, the reasonable guys who contribute something can post their stuff while retards like Bhabhiji and Jake can be left alone in their pigsty wallowing in their own crap.
    Man, your blog is unique, incredible and edgy and while I’ve had my share of fights here, it was fun nevertheless and rather than making me mad, it has made me think more about what can be done to make my people better. I dig those fights. Even owning that old blonde fatty maa peepe was fun. I’ve got nothing against her otherwise. She mostly speaks the truth about India. My people need to get rid of a lot of bad habits.
    But with Bhabhiji, the more you engage her, the more your face will be covered with all the shit that comes out oef her ass. Even the shit is not varied and smells the same always. Somebody’s dick needs to be in her butt all the time to prevent all the outflow. On the other hand, Jake is just a plain frothing imbecile. I pity that rabid dog and would gladly help in putting him out of his misery.
    Adios for now.

    1. Nope. Dota needs to answer to this shit. I’ve scrolled though this blog from posts a few years back and thinking he’s the only desi he’s showing his ass about Hinduism while telling actual Hindus like me that we get our info from some fucking TV show I don’t even watch.
      His knowledge about Hinduism is scant at best, and his Quranic knowledge not much better. If he wants to come on here and show is ass to me (thinking he’s showing balls), he has to BRING IT.
      But as usual when backed into a corner, he disappears. Which going by the posts from a few years ago, seems to be his usual habit.
      And while we’re at it Aakash, would you, Atheist Indian, Mohit or any other Argumentative Indian here care to address the issue of the joint family structure and how this may affect Indians in other areas of life, such as career, male-female relationships and our attitude towards non-domestic public duty.
      These are valid questions. Rather than bicker about religion and the British, and rather than dodge the issue because it might show up Indian men in a less than flattering light, how about discussing how we organize our domestic life and the consequences of it?
      I’m sure its something Robert would be interested in learning about and maybe even writing about.

      1. Few years back? I’ve only been here a year lol. It’s also amusing how petty you are with your personal attacks on my masculinity. I was raised in a normal heterosexual household, believe me, attacks on my masculinity do not bother me one bit. Call me a mama’s boy, virgin, ect it don’t bother me 🙂 And why would I want a Canadian woman or western woman when I can get a traditional Indian wife? Why bottle gutter water when you live right by a fresh water spring?

        1. “”Nope. Dota needs to answer to this shit.””
          I don’t need to answer to anything. It’s a public forum and I can say what I like so long as I abide by Robert’s house rules, which I’m happy to do. You can put me on trial and I can choose to laugh at you instead (actually I did lol in real life when writing my last post to you 🙂 ). Proclaim your success and do a victory dance, why should I care?

        2. “And why would I want a Canadian woman or western woman when I can get a traditional Indian wife? Why bottle gutter water when you live right by a fresh water spring?”
          I’d like to marry an intelligent, good hearted and compassionate woman who I can have a stimulating, fun, equal relationship with, who can think for herself, who is funny and beautiful, who is just an ordinary, good person and a friend. Just like many western woman I have known. I guess you want a subservient housewife.
          That seems boring to me but whatever is to your taste I suppose. But for effectively calling my mum and sister ‘gutter water’, fuck you and have a nice day.
          Sorry, I generally quite like you, but I take that shit personally.

        3. Steve, Dota’s mentality is common amongst South Asian and Middle Eastern Muslims. Why you kind people allow them into your countries is beyond logical understanding. They do not assimilate or integrate and they look down upon you.

        4. “”I’d like to marry an intelligent, good hearted and compassionate woman who I can have a stimulating, fun, equal relationship with, who can think for herself, who is funny and beautiful, who is just an ordinary, good person and a friend. Just like many western woman I have known. I guess you want a subservient housewife. “”
          You figured me all out Steve. Because a devoted wife from a non white culture cannot be the above at all, no siree. Thanks for speaking up though.

        5. “You figured me all out Steve. Because a devoted wife from a non white culture cannot be the above at all, no siree. Thanks for speaking up though.”
          I’ve seen you do this repeatedly on this blog. When called out on your ridiculous, biased comments, instead of addressing the issue you try to flip it onto the person calling you out, projecting your own dysfunction onto him/her.
          Are you really this daft or can’t you see that what you are implying to Steve is the EXACT thing he called YOU out on – negatively stereotyping western women.
          “Because a devoted wife from a non white culture cannot be the above at all, no siree.”
          “Because a woman from western culture cannot be all of the above”
          Your supposed “appreciation” for “western civilization” is nothing but a sham to further your economic interests. In reality you have zero respect for western women and men, like most South Asian and M.E. Muslims.

        6. @ Dota
          Traditional Indian culture is a culture you despise but apparently not the gender roles and marital relationships. Traditional Indian marriages and traditional Indian households are deeply unequal in favour of the males. It is actually recognized as a significant factor in the high rates of child malnutrition.
          That’s why I purposely stated that I would like an ‘equal relationship’ a la western society, rather than a subservient wife a la traditional Indian society.
          Admittedly, I did assume that a woman who pursues a career is more likely to be stimulating and intelligent than one who chooses to be a housewife and whose lived world is limited to that.
          Maybe I’m wrong about that. In any case, the point wasn’t really that Indian housewives cannot have those characteristics. The point was that western woman can and many do. Its a good description of many western woman and western relationships. They’re great people, not gutter water.

        7. Steve

          I’ll say this just once because this conversation is getting tedious. I believe that Patriarchy is essentially the normal condition of heterosexual human relationships. As Kevin MacDonald once pointed out, Western civilization is unique because Western Patriarchy is not even remotely as oppressive as it is in some other cultures.

          The patriarchy that I believe in is the benevolent patriarchy of the Victorian era. I want to marry a woman who willingly empowers me, not because I make her, but out of her own choice. In trusting me she trusts herself, and that is the essence of femininity. I don’t see that in Western women.

          In short, I don’t find western women attractive, I prefer South Asian women. You can call it sour grapes if you want (AP does) but I really don’t care because I have nothing to prove to any of you here.

          The only non-Desi women that I would consider marrying are Persian women because I have some Persian blood in me (father’s side), and I can (and have) passed of as Persian in the past. I also get their cultural etiquette, and I was born a Shia.

          So in conclusion, I do not care for the extreme patriarchy of South Asia, but I do want a traditional feminine woman. I’m indifferent to arranged marriages because it is merely a custom – what’s more important is the quality of women in society. My gutter water analogy was in regards to marriage/family, not their worth as human beings.

          I suppose I should flip out as well for you calling my mother and sister subservient housewives, but I’m not in the mood for an emotional outburst today. Have a nice day, Steve.

        8. ” I suppose I should flip out as well for you calling my mother and sister subservient housewives”
          Why? In your mind “subservient housewife” is not an insult so what’s there to flip out over?

        9. Dota, ” The patriarchy that I believe in is the benevolent patriarchy of the Victorian era. ”
          Bwahahahahahhahahahahaaha!
          Desi mama’s boy has been reading the MRA blogs, most likely those with a Christian bent. Tell me Dota, what’s your moniker there? TFH? How’s the public latrine flyer campaign going?

        10. “I suppose I should flip out as well for you calling my mother and sister subservient housewives, but I’m not in the mood for an emotional outburst today. Have a nice day Steve.”
          Because you prefer passive aggressive? 😛
          Maybe I’ll reply to your post properly sometime soon. I guess I have some questions. Maybe I’ll just let it stand. I’m trying to watch a movie right now.
          I will just say, for the sake of peacemaking, that I understand that if your view of an ideal marriage is a traditional (pre-feminism) one, then you will see a modern western ‘both work, totally equal relations’ type of set up as gutter water by comparison. If the water analogy refers to how nourishing and pure each type of relationship is, and not the woman themselves, then I’ll withdraw the fuck you. But watch yourself. it could get reinstated (lol joking.)

        11. Aforementioned questions:
          “I believe that Patriarchy is essentially the normal condition of heterosexual human relationships.”
          Why? What exactly do you mean by patriarchy? What about societies where it is not normal ie the norm? If its the normal condition, why isn’t it normal in the modern west?
          “The patriarchy that I believe in is the benevolent patriarchy of the Victorian era.”
          What kind of patriarchy is that? Describe it.
          “I want to marry a woman who willingly empowers me, not because I make her, but out of her own choice.”
          Did Victorian woman have a choice? What do you mean anyway?
          “In trusting me she trusts herself, and that is the essence of femininity.”
          What the hell are you talking about? How does she trust herself by trusting you? That doesn’t even make sense to me.

        12. You know what I love about our conversations, Steve? That you always need to consult your 2-dimensional Oriental blueprint before you engage me in topics related to culture/religion. No, it’s not about women working (marks of stereotype number 4). Read Maggie Tulliver’s rejection of Phillip Wakem in Elliot’s Mill on the Floss. That was a woman with character, integrity, and morals.

          I have read enough Victorian literature to know that while women complied with gender roles, their spirits and character was just as indomitable as their menfolk.

          I like women, Steven, which is why feminists/Western women do not interest me. A feminist is basically a woman who never outgrows her penis envy but rather embraces it. I don’t find such behavior healthy. I’ve befriended lots of Western women over the years and I’ve come to admire them all. But marriage material? No thank you.

          This is what I find hilarious about this conversation (You, me, and AP):

          “Keep away from our women, you horny pervert, and keep it in your pants.”

          “But I don’t want your women – never did. Keep them with my regards,”

          “What? They’re not good enough for you? Maybe it’s because they won’t even glance at you” 🙂

          1. But you cannot judge all Western women as wannabe be feminists. I noticed many rural/small town girls are compassionate/somewhat traditional and let their man lead. I am married to one, and know plenty like that.

            Urban girls are a different bowl of fish. Many Western-born, and increasingly, even Indian urban women have the career-oriented *I don’t need a man*…and “mine and yours” mindsets.

            I completely agree with you – Benevolent Patriarchy leads to civilization and a stable society. Not savage patriarchy like most Islamic countries.

            Regarding feminism, its cancer is spreading all over the world. When I went to China I was shocked at how feminist-oriented urban Chinese women were (same with many middle class Indian women)…Like someone said, it’s a cycle, and eventually feminine civilizations will collapse and be taken even by more masculine civilizations. The elites are pushing feminism and urbanism the world over…we are pretty fucked…

        13. “You know what I love about our conversations Steve? That you always need to consult your 2 dimensional oriental blueprint before you engage me in topics related to culture/religion. No, its not about women working (marks of stereotype number 4).”
          I was actually thinking about the traditional western nuclear family where the man is the breadwinner and the woman is the homemaker. I wasn’t thinking about eastern marriages. I don’t know when else you think I’ve consulted a two dimensional eastern blueprint.
          “Read Maggie Tulliver’s rejection of Phillip Wakem in Elliot’s Mill on the Floss. That was a woman with character, with integrity, with morals. I have read enough Victorian literature to know that while women complied with gender roles, their spirits and character was just as indomitable as their menfolk.”
          Now you are referring to traditional gender roles. You said in the past that you think a woman should stay home and devote herself to family. Do you think woman should work or not? What are these gender roles you advocate? What kind of patriarchy do you advocate? Be clear.

        14. “Why? What exactly do you mean by patriarchy?”
          Gender roles.
          “” If its the normal condition, why isn’t it normal in the modern west? “”
          It is, but feminism has been undermining it for decades. Actually, according to Feminists, IT IS normal in the west.
          “”What kind of patriarchy is that? Describe it. “”
          Gender roles, adhered to, and respected by both sexes. Gender roles can be flexible of course (men can cook and women can work) but the man is head of the house as Christ is head of the Church. But the woman must understand this and find a man worthy enough to empower.
          “”Did Victorian woman have a choice? “”
          They certainly did. I don’t recall the church trying to burn MaryAnn Evans for her affair. But even women must learn to live with the consequences of their actions. Sadly, feminism does not hold women up to any standards because said standards would be dismissed as patriarchy.
          “”What the hell are you talking about? How does she trust herself by trusting you? That doesn’t even make sense to me.””
          Not surprising. Femininity is sacrificing power for love, but this sacrifice is a willing choice. The act of sex is the ultimate form of surrender.

        15. “Not surprising. Femininity is sacrificing power for love, but this sacrifice is a willing choice. The act of sex is the ultimate form of surrender.”
          Totally copy and pasted from a manoshere blog word for word. Nothing original, no new insight or angle. Desi culture and family structure makes sure to churn out obedient sons and copiers of other men.
          A virgin boy who’s never had sex is going to tell us what sex is.
          Brilliant. And we wonder why the rest of the world thinks desis are fools?

        16. “the man is head of the house as Christ is head of the Church.”
          what exactly does that mean? He is the boss? what power does he have and how often does he use it? The woman has to ask him permission to go somewhere or if she wants money, like one of the children? He tells everybody what they are doing at the weekend, whether they are buying a new car or going on holiday, where they are moving house to?
          How does he enforce his rule if woman don’t want to be told what to do? You can say woman should give the man that power and willingly submit to it but how realistic is that in the modern world? If men haven’t got religious ideology or brute force to back up their power, how will they maintain it?
          “But even women must learn to live with the consequences of their actions.”
          what are the consequences? How is she punished?
          In Victorian England, woman did not have the right to own property or vote. Do you agree with that? They were also not allowed to study certain subjects such as classical and commercial subjects which would help them compete with men and gain economic independence. Should their education be limited?

        17. Steve
          “what exactly does that mean? He is the boss? what power does he have and how often does he use it?”
          I mean the major decisions of the household are left to the Husband, ie where the family lives, budget decisions, kids education, the moral climate of the household (as Bibi pointed out). Naturally one must consult his wife for her input as well, but the ultimate decision should be the man’s. Power is the essence of masculinity and the family is where a man gets to exercise this power in a constructive manner. This is the secret to the emotional stability of the Asian male, especially east Asians like the Chinese. I’ve seen this with my own eyes as I’ve had many close Chinese friends. The Chinese tend to view their wives as companions, something which is still lacking in South Asian cultures. Yet the man is head of the household and the women are quite comfortable with this. Benevolent patriarchy.
          “what are the consequences? How is she punished?”
          In the same way as men are punished, a loss of reputation and honour. Men are not even able to call women on all their bull shit nowadays. There’s no accountability, that’s what needs to be brought back.
          “In Victorian England, woman did not have the right to own property or vote. Do you agree with that?”
          Christ Steve, you’re smart enough to know that customs and values are not interchangeable as the former are temporal and hence rooted to a specific time. I believe that women should have equal access to education, healthcare, political and civil liberties. I admire Victorian values and ethics, and not their customs.

        18. @ Dota
          While I am all for your choice in the type of woman that you want, I can’t quite digest the remark that a relationship where the partners are equals and aren’t in your idea of an ideal relationship is akin of ‘bottling the gutter waters’. Human nature is varied and complex because of which I believe that no relationship model is the ideal or perfect for everyone.
           
          I do agree with not wanting a western woman as a wife though. I am not the marriage type, but if I were to (ever) marry, American/Canadian women would be off the charts.

        19. Beatrix,
          that’s fine but I don’t see any reason to think men are spiritually more developed or wiser than woman on average. Supposing there is no correlation between spiritual wisdom and gender, in half of the relationships the woman will be wiser (of course in many relationships, neither person is concerned with spirituality). So good luck if that’s what you want in your relationship- marry a guru or something- but it can’t be a blueprint for society.

        20. Dota,
          okay, I just wanted to be clear about what you thought. Interesting point of view for sure. Personally, I like the way things are done in my society and I’m comfortable with the man and woman coming to decisions together. Its just normal to me and it seems fair and I’m happy with it.
          Have you noticed how when the man is dominant in the way you are talking about, many woman are good at persuading or getting the man to do what they want? It seems to be a skill that woman develop in that situation. Some more than others. I remember a Greek saying that the man is the head of the family but the woman is the neck- she can turn the head any way she wants. I suspect that when the woman has the stronger personality and greater intelligence, she finds a way to effectively rule even when the man is the official ruler.
          This is just an unrelated to the last paragraph anecdote but I once took a South Korean girl to the cinema and she seemed to expect me to make the decision about what movie we see. I was asking her what she would like to see and she was telling me to decide. It was a bit of a culture clash. I was thinking to myself, ‘can’t she think for herself?’ and God knows what she was thinking.

        21. AI,
          “I do agree with not wanting a western woman as a wife though. I am not the marriage type, but if I were to (ever) marry, American/Canadian women would be off the charts.”
          You might miss out on a potential best friend and the love of your life. Why dismiss a whole continent of woman? Its silly.

        22. “AI,
          “I do agree with not wanting a western woman as a wife though. I am not the marriage type, but if I were to (ever) marry, American/Canadian women would be off the charts.”
          You might miss out on a potential best friend and the love of your life. Why dismiss a whole continent of woman? Its silly.”
          Steve, the really silly part of it is I can guarantee you that neither Dota or AI have dated any American or Canadian or otherwise “western” women.
          I on the other have dismissed an entire sub-continent of men precisely because I’ve dated dozens of them and had almost the same bad experiences with each.

        23. And, Steve, I’ve seen some Indian-white couples do extremely well, but usually within the framework of a traditional Indian family. Most include white women converting to Hinduism.
          For instance, I remember an Indian man who didn’t even receive a high school education. After marrying a British woman who converted to Hinduism for him, he started a massive business, becoming one of the wealthiest men in the city. Together with their children, they fed hundreds of homeless people each week. And unlike him, his children all went on to study at elite universities.
          But it was picture perfect because it seemed they were almost always together. Never was there anything that resembled an argument. When he developed cancer, she spent every waking moment with him in the hospital before he passed away.

        24. @ Steve
          I see your point. When I was doing my flying school at Campbell River, I had this great relationship with an American girl, who was in the same flying club. Eventually, we had to split, because I had no intention to stay back in North America and she couldn’t see herself crossing half the world.
           
          So I am not biased in this aspect. However, I have interacted a lot with North American women and from all that I have observed, the risks of finding a good woman in North America is like finding the proverbial needle in the haystack. Too much of an effort, considering that I could find a very compatible mate within my own ethnic/racial group with relative ease AND there would be close to zero ‘where should we settle down’ or cultural issues.
           
          @ Bhabiji
          “…neither Dota or AI have dated any American or Canadian or otherwise “western” women. ”
          You should get your kundalini yogic powers rechecked. They’re clearly disfunctional.

      2. No offense, Bhabi, but I somehow doubt it was you who dismissed them and not vice versa. Maybe you’ve confused them as being the problem instead of you. Unfortunately, you don’t seem the ideal Indian housewife I, or I’m sure any other Indian male, envisions.

    2. We can’t restrict anyone. If you think Jake or AP are trolls, then just don’t engage them at all. Everyone who thinks Jake is a troll, and there are a lot who think that way, just don’t engage them. Then they won’t post so much.
      I mostly don’t attack other posters on here. It will make them mad at me, and then I will have to ban them. I want to ban as few people as possible. I like most commenters on here, even Jake, AP and Seriously?

      1. How am I a troll exactly? Everything i’ve said about Indians are completely congruent with the criticizers of that hell hole which includes you Robert.

        1. Well Jake, this is a socialist blog, and a lot of your critique is just reactionary. I don’t take you on here because I don’t want to get you banned for fighting with me. But attacking any race as ugly or saying that they can’t get chicks because they are so undesirable physically, or saying they have small dicks, and the general type of critique you engage in WRT to NE Asians and Indians, well it goes beyond progressive cultural critique into out and out racism. And yeah I am not down with that, and yeah it is trollish.
          Also saying that they should be genocided or that the Aryans should have genocided the Dravidians, well, that’s just fascist talk my friend. We are not into any kind of advocacy of racial genocide on this site. That’s just Nazi talk. I am not even down with the genocides and mass murders that some of my comrades engaged in. Killing “inferior races” is just wrong. That’s what Hitler did? Remember.
          Anyway, peace out Jake. You’re allowed to keep on trolling along here as long as you wish.

        2. “Also saying that they should be genocided or that the Aryans should have genocided the Dravidians, well, that’s just fascist talk my friend. We are not into any kind of advocacy of racial genocide on this site. That’s just Nazi talk.”
          Yeah.

        3. Steve c’mon, why do you keep defending Indians all the time, are you secretly an Indian nationalist? At least have the balls to respond to my giant wall of superb and vernacular language.

  4. I am not trolling as in I’m not trying to get a reaction and then giggle to myself about people arguing with each other because I made a particular comment, which is the purpose of trolling in reality. Although yes my comments seem extreme and not appropriate when trying to “critique”, so I will admit that it was a mistake on my part to make ill comments like that.
    Do take note though, that when you do encounter Indians and when you are critiquing them progressively and culturally, a large portion of their identity does involve their appearance and how it affects them in relation to the world. A lot of Indians in the West are very aware about their looks, which is related to the caste/tribe they come from. Infact I would say it’s one of their primary markers in determining what kind of behavior you will expect from them and how they view the West and themselves. You might say my reactions are extreme, but then you should see how these so called “Aryan type Indians” view themselves and how they treat others they deem inferior (Indians or not). I’m really just trying to light a match on wood and light a candle here Robert.
    Now about the Dravidians and my Nazi like comments, I know it sounds extreme to say they should be dead. I was arguing with Steve about this but given that through centuries of social and biological engineering through this “Indian” culture, some of these people are socially excluded from a lot of spheres in life and don’t have the ability to compete with other groups when in terms of creating and having a “happy life”. They face exclusion from every society they go to and the only way they can leverage society towards them is to breed in massive numbers or resort to aggregate behavior where the host society is affected to be focused towards them. So really their entire life is a battle and involves eternal misery/suffering. Don’t you really think it would have been wise if they didn’t exist and instead went to history along with every other group that was absorbed/destroyed through wars, migrations and conquests?

    1. “Do take note though, that when you do encounter Indians and when you are critiquing them progressively and culturally, a large portion of their identity does involve their appearance and how it affects them in relation to the world.”
      I’m telling you, its because of arranged marriage sexual marxism wherein men do not have to compete to attract women.

  5. “If Ambedkar is such a hero to most Indians, then why is India still mired in the most barbaric casteism known to mankind.”
    hhhmmmmm….. I think because of White Race.. As you support AIT so strongly..you should also believe that casteism was the construct of white Aryans….
    Now I don’t see you blaming Indians for caste system now.. 😉

    1. You are right though Mohit, it called human evolution and different groups went in different environments and acquired advantages. The same reason why the Chinese were more advanced then Europeans, why a bunch of Central Asian tribes managed to conquer large territories of Northern Europe and Russia, how North Africa and the Middle East was top of the world at one point etc etc. Human evolution and different groups played in disfavor of Indians I guess.

  6. @ Bhabiji
    Why would I care about the joint family? I am unfamiliar with it and in spite of your conflagrated obsession with Indian men who apparently are very attachmed to their mothers, it is among the least of India’s political, cultural and civilisational problems. Not worthy of a discussion, unless the topic specifically focuses on the issue.
     
    For the record Dota is actually one of the most sane and open minded commenters I have met in this blog, not your carciatured “evil Muzzies on the dole” types (which I doubt exist, or make up any significant proportion of the population). He is quite open to criticisms of Islam and is far less emotive and reactionary on the issue than you are to your faith.
     
    I think Robert’s advice here is an excellent here, it would be better off if everyone stops engaging you any further. Honestly, your asperger’s like repetitiveness is starting to sound like drones of a bumblebee to my (virtual) ears.

    1. “For the record Dota is actually one of the most sane and open minded commenters I have met in this blog, not your carciatured “evil Muzzies on the dole” types (which I doubt exist, or make up any significant proportion of the population). ”
      You’ve got to be kidding me. Of course if you’ve never been to Europe and the UK, you would not have first hand experience of this. But there are statistics and statistical analysis of the phenomena all over the internet. We don’t have that problem in the US because US government is very selective with which type of South Asian and Middle Eastern government it lets in. The UK and European countries that are facing this problem are not nearly as selective, they opened the floodgates on that, and are more socialist than the US so allow people to stay on the dole for lifetimes, generation after generation.
      You notably described the cleaner, saner, more sexually egalitarian society of your Northeast Indian state as compared to the Hindi belt and I have also noted the same in that region. You also noted that you are not familar with the joint family construct. It is not prevelant in Northeast in the same manner and that contributes majorly to the differences between the regions. Remember that family is the foundation rock of a society so how the family is constructed will affect everything else.

      1. @ Bhabiji
        I worked for a charter and commuter airline in Europe for a year and a half. Travelled all over the continent during my time there. However, I am not all that familiar with the “statistics and statistical analysis of the phenomena all over the internet” that you speak of, perhaps I tend to trust more concrete evidences than gobble up internet ‘research’.
         
        The US immigration policy, for the record, is far less selective than you think. It is geared towards selecting immigrants based on their economic viability, not their possible integration to the American society. Immigrant populations in the US have the same tendencies to ghetto-ise and at times, depend on welfare.
         
        The only reason that there aren’t hordes of Muslim immigrants in the US is because of its geographic isolation from the Muslim world (vis. a vis. Europe, which is a mere boat ride away from North Africa).
         
        “You also noted that you are not familar with the joint family construct. It is not prevelant in Northeast in the same manner and that contributes majorly to the differences between the regions.”
        That is an utterly simplistic way of looking at the topic. The main difference between NE Indian cultures and mainland cultures is that while NE cultures are tribal, mainland cultures are feudal. Your thinking style for example, reflects a characteristically feudalistic, hyper-emotive and ‘Indian’ style of thinking.

        1. AI, you’re so daft that you actually proved my points for me, without even realizing it. I’ll let you try and figure out how, Chotu.

  7. the main problem with indian fools is that they dont know how much they actually suck.they think they are better than the rest of the world each time they dig their way towards china. indians have a biiiiig false ego which is always pampered by paid media of india( run by crook sonia) & also low IQ bollywood movies that helps them live in denial of their real conditioning . matthew Hayden who was running an india tour after crushing india 0-2 in test series nagpur was quoted as saying by Australian newspaper The Daily Telegraph.
    “Often we find ourselves waiting with hands on hips for someone to face up or someone on the sight board to move away or some of those little frustrations happening with third world countries,”.he went on & on with bashing india as a third world shithole on an aussie radio station until the paid media of india simply lashed out at him for using “abusive” language for calling india a third world hellhole…..i was shocked at the level of arrogance of indian media(run by upper class indians) that they always painted a rosy image of india in front of illiterate indians that our country has always been a first world nation & an aussie smashed that claim into pieces…i cant believe how blind these greedy & corrupt upper class indians actually can get….i hope slumdog must have opened the eyes of the average indian.

  8. “This blog tries too hard, and still only manages to draw one or two angry Indians — if that.”
    Don’t worry, this blog will pick up once I post my guest blogs. Summer ain’t over yet, dawg.

  9. Jake
    1/3 of the Gulf is Indian. Every single Gulf country has excellent economic and political relations with India. In the United Arab Emirates where I live, India is the largest trade partner and most Emiratis see India as the most promising world market. Admittedly, most Indians in the Gulf are working class however any professional of any nationality in the Gulf will tell you that the majority of successful businessmen are Indians.
    Just search up the Arabian Business Indian Power List in the Gulf. It gives you names of 100’s of Indians who have come to the Gulf. And Indians can be found at all levels of society here. Actually it’s a cause of concern for the locals.

  10. Just love the way these Muzzies are getting slaughtered each day. For once lets be grateful to the Jews.

  11. Robert – Americans of Indian Ancestry are a HIGHLY SELECTED GROUP. We cannot assume if we allow shitloads of Indians to the West we will benefit a absolutely not it will be quite a disaster.

    Also immigration fullstop to Western Countries is too high. For example in the US we should reduce immigration from 1 million to less than 200k. That’s sustainable and assimilable numbers.

    I dont u understand why folks want to regurgitate the shitjole they came from in the west. This is largely ‘okayed’by the elites….

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