Socialism and Welfare

Comrade Patrick asks:

Robert I am a socialist but one thing I struggle with is the phenomena of intergenerational welfare families. There are people in America who are on welfare and whose ancestors have been on welfare for generations.

Hypothetically I support the idea of a welfare safety net for people. Because sometimes things just don’t work out and people need to be on welfare and some may need to be on welfare for the rest of their lives. ANd I don’t have a problem with that.

But when families have been on welfare for multiple generations that seems problematic. So what I wonder is this. Is welfare a necessary part of socialism and if so what can be done to prevent multi-generational welfare families from arrising?

I am a real socialist, like a Commie type socialist. Under socialism, real Commie socialism, you have to work. If that means holding up a wall in an office for eight hours a day, so be it. If it means sweeping the streets or picking up trash, so be it. If you want a check, you have to work for it. We, the state, will give you a basic job for your welfare check. If you don’t want to work for your check, then you don’t get one. Under real Commie type socialism, we put you in jail if you refuse to work. It’s called “parasitism.” I’m not sure if I have a problem with doing that.

The welfare state includes many things.

Low cost housing, food stamps, unemployment benefits, disability, social security, phone, electricity and heating assistance, free medical care. Most of the welfare state does not involve just handing out checks to people. A lot of it is in services.

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14 thoughts on “Socialism and Welfare”

  1. Robert,

    Thankyou for the clarification on that matter. I recall talking to a homeless man once and I asked him about welfare and he told me he just wanted a job that paid a living wage and to be able to work and just live an a place where his basic needs could be met. He said he preferred work to not working.

    The problem in capitalism is that many jobs are being shipped to other countries and the jobs available to us do not pay a living wage, Plus the cost of rent and utilities is very high too. Some people try to justify economic globalism by saying that “well even though wages are driven down… TV’s cost less so it all evens out in the end and helps make things progress”. The problem with that thinking is that the majority of peoples expenses are to pay their rent and utilities and so even if food and toys are cheaper due to outsourcing the truth is is that things like rent and utilities don’t get cheaper.

    So basically we get our wages reduced or become unemployed and can barely afford rent if at all and we are expected to be happy because due to the globalized market the cost of cheeto’s is 5 cents less.

    And in America its always the working class who is supporting their own disenfranchisement. They will even start marching down the street in defense of their rights being taken away by large multinational corporations like these tea party protests are doing.

    At least there are some people in Latin America fighting for sanity. I pray Hugo Chavez recovers from his cancer.

    Please people say a payer tonight for Hugo Chavez. He needs all the prayers he can get. He is in a battle against cancer and he is one of the people fighting to make the world a better place.

  2. Communism is jew run state capitalism.

    Take your worst nightmare about capitalism and replace it with jew run capitalism and you got jew communism.

    1. Jew Zionism and jew Communism are twins – and both ar jewish frauds.

      The jews talMUD have told all the jews for 3.ooo years that the jews one day will rule the world. l didn’t make this up – the jews did. Read the jews talMUD.

      To rule the world you must control the mightiest military in the world. The jews took over Russia in 1917 and how the jews did it was that the jews killed the entire old russian elite in mass graves in the forest. Then the jews moved into all the now empty houses of the ex-russian elite, hence the jews had replaced the russian elite by a new JEW ELITE.

      Every single key position in the Soviet state apparatus had a jew as cheif.

      The jew run Soviet from 1917 to 1990 was run by jews – AS JEWs – lock, stock and barrel.

      Not only do the jews admit that jews was the soul and supreme commanders of the Soviet state – the jews brags about it.

      ——————–

      `The communist soul is the soul of judaism. Hence it follows that the triumph of communism in the Russian Revolution is the triumph of judaism.´

      Rabbi Harry Waton in his book `A Program for the jew and Humanity´

      The whole book online in full text:
      http://hofflandia.wordpress.com/2011/09/24/the-communist-soul-is-the-soul-of-judaism-rabbi-harry-waton/

      ————————————–

      At ROBERT LINDSAY:

      What fucking part don’t YOU get?

      Communism is a jewish fraud, and YOU Robert Lindsay have been fooled all your life by lying jew scumbags.

      Communism is jew run state capitalism.

      1. @Hoff

        Whether or not communism is jewish doesn’t matter but just for the sake of truth I will bother mentioning the origins of communism. Communist philosophies have existed in Europe for awhile and thinkers in those traditions have been mainly gentile but there have been a significant amount of jewish thinkers too. Karl Marx had a few original ideas but he was mainly a compiler of the ideas of others that came before him. I do not agree with everything Karl Marx said. I especially think he was wrong about the abolition of the family. There is nothing wrong with the family. But much of what Karl Marx said was accurate so in a sense I am a Marxist but that is not a label I prefer. I prefer socialist, much of socialism was devised well before there ever was a Marx.

        1. @seedofjapheth

          Yes but without the overwhelming Jewish contribution in Communist groups in Russia as well as its development into a political movement and especially financing representing British imperial policy against Russia there is no chance the Bolshevik revolution would have succeeded.

        2. “Whether or not communism is jewish doesn’t matter but just for the sake of truth I will bother mentioning the origins of communism. Communist philosophies have existed in Europe for awhile and thinkers in those traditions have been mainly gentile but there have been a significant amount of jewish thinkers too. ”

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          You just fricking don’t get it!

          What the jews do is that they take the ideas of the gentile and turn it into: – ls it good for the jews?

          Communism is jew run state capitalism. This is why the jew bankers, Rothschild, Jacob Schiff and co was all out behind the jew communist and paying the bills. The jews tried to take over Russia 200 years ago with the jew-whore Napoleon as the jews proxy war machine.

          The Rothschild jews declared war on Russia in the 1850s. The jews tried to take over Russia in 1881, then again the jews tried to take over Russia in 19o5. Then the jews took over Russia in 1917. At the same time the jews took control of America.

          Jews have started every single war the last 250 years. And every single jew instigated war starts by jews finacial boycotting the country the jews want to conquer. ln the 1850s the jews decared a financial boycott of Russia. ln 1933 the jews declared a finacial boycott of Germany. ln the 1980s the jews declared a finacial boycott of lraq. ln 2000 the jews declared a finacial boycott of lran.

          ln the 2o1o the jews have declared finacial boycott of Libya and Syria. And who is fighting the jews wars? The patrioTARDED americans.

          The jews stole the worlds largest country in 1917, and then the jews turned Russia into the jews proxy war machine for jew world conquest. Why the jews gave up the jew run shithole Soviet was because the jews realised that they could never conquer the whole world from Moscow. Today the jew communist gang have joined the zionist jew gang and bet all they got on America as the jews proxy war machine for jew world conquest.

          American imperialism is in fact jew imperialism.

    2. What about the Libertarian movement?

      And yes I know Ayn Rand was Jewish but most seem to comprise of a traditional conservative viewpoint.

      1. Th jews plan is to rule the world and the jews infiltrate ALL gentile organisations and twist the agenda to what is good for the jews. The jews change their names all the times. Next to all jews who ruled Soviet had changed their names into russian sounding names.

        Take any issue that is on the jew communist agenda and compare it whit was is on the jew liberal agenda. Take any jew communist agenda and compare it with the jew run Neo-CON agenda, and what do you get? Jew communism under a new label. Same jewish bullshit, new name, same jewish bullshit.

  3. “I am a real socialist, like a Commie type socialist. Under socialism, real Commie socialism, you have to work. If that means holding up a wall in an office for eight hours a day, so be it”

    Yes but that turns into cronyism like with Communist countries were an elite dictates and lives like kings and the workers are essentially slaves plus the fact that economically controlled central economies simply do not work.

    Organised crime has always been part of the USSR from its inception to the point that from the 70’s onwards the black market economy was keeping the stagnant Soviet economy afloat.

    Anyway they already have that at least here in Britain were you have to prove you are looking for jobs and receive evaluations which if you fail your unemployment benefits are cut.

  4. I can possibly sign up for some kind of work for benefits policy and an ethos that emphasises each persons responsibility to society and the idea that letting other people work to support you is selfish. You’d have to give people enough time off to look for a job though.

    I’m not okay with imprisoning anybody who refuses to work- that’s just too authoritarian. Fascist probably isn’t the right word but I feel like calling it fascist 😛 Look, if somebody wants to starve, its up to them, right? They’re free citizens. No problem. You don’t have to make them do what you want or you’ll throw them in jail. I don’t want any government like that. It would feel too controlling and threatening…..and authoritarian.

    That’s my two cents.

    1. Plus if somebody has somebody else who is willing to support them, that should be fine. The jail thing is madness in my opinion.

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