Bigfoot News August 5, 2011

Justin Smeja’s driver breaks his silence. Justin Smeja is the man who reportedly shot and killed 2 Bigfoots in the Sierra Nevada last year. Details here. We have known from the start that there was another hunter present. We called him the driver. He tried to get Smeja to not shoot the Bigfoots and was hysterical after the killings. To date, he has not spoken about the incident. However, we were recently put in contact with a source who claims to be in contact with the driver. The driver will not reveal his name.

The driver acknowledges that he was furious when Smeja shot the Bigfoots. After the mother was shot, the driver was horrified. And after the baby was shot, the driver was disgusted. The driver’s story differs in some respects from Smeja’s. In our original story, Smeja did not think the Bigfoot was a bear as he says now. Instead, he shot it because he thought it was threatening him.

The driver says simply about Smeja’s rationale for the first shooting, “He shot a monster.” He saw a monster, and he shot it. Smeja has confirmed this on a forum, saying he thought it was a monster, and he shot it because that’s what you do with monsters, you shoot them. Before he shot it, the driver was spotting the animal with his binoculars. Several times and in several ways, the driver said, “That’s not a bear!” This lines up again with our original story in which the driver said, “Don’t shoot! It’s a guy in a monkey suit!” However, Smeja shot anyway.

The driver also disagrees with Smeja about why the juvenile Bigfoot was shot. We said it was shot for an unknown reason. Smeja said the baby Bigfoot was threatening him. Our original source disagreed with that. “No. It wasn’t threatening him,” he said.

The driver agrees with us. He said that Smeja shot the juvenile in order to bring it home as evidence. Evidence for what? Evidence to prove his wild story. Smeja said that the young Bigfoot was shot and immediately left for dead as they cleared out of the area. We said that the young Bigfoot died in Smeja’s arms. The driver confirms our story. He said that the young Bigfoot was shot and killed. They examined it closely and looked in its eyes. They thought the eyes looked “human.”

One wonders why the young Bigfoot was shot for evidence and then left behind, a contradiction. Once again we are vindicated. We said that Smeja was afraid of being arrested. According to the driver, though the juvenile was shot for evidence, they left it behind because Smeja thought that he was going to be arrested by the California Department of Fish and Game. Smeja has all along insisted that he was not afraid of being arrested, but  we have said otherwise.

I think this is what happened. The baby was shot for evidence, to prove his story since they searched for the mother but could not find her. The driver was disgusted and took the gun out of Smeja’s hands and pointed it at him, telling Smeja that if you shoot another one of those things, I will shoot you instead.

Smeja held the dying animal in his arms. They looked into its eyes, saw it was human, and Smeja had an attack of conscience of some sort (I think he does have some sort of a conscience). He realized that he had killed some sort of hominid and not some weird monster and then became frightened of being arrested. This lines up with so many Bigfoot killing accounts, where the killers leave the bodies in the woods or bury them because they think they committed homicide.

Smeja’s attack of conscience may have been due to thinking of himself as a murderer. Whatever else he is, Smeja’s not a murderer, and he doesn’t like to think of himself as one. Therefore, the scene was hastily abandoned. Why were no pictures taken. On forums, Smeja says that they were so upset and freaked out after shooting 2 monsters that they just got out of there as quickly as possible, never even thinking to take a picture.

The entire way home, not a word was said between the two men. They did not speak of the incident at all for another 10 days.

The driver does contradict an earlier rumor we printed in which we said that the driver was so shocked that he did not want to associate with Smeja anymore. The driver agreed with Smeja that they are still friends.

Incredibly, the driver agreed with Smeja that the Bigfoot slice was not cut off on the day of the shooting. It was not cut off because they could not find the mother to cut a piece off of her, which was apparently why they were searching for her – they were looking for the dead mother to obtain proof of the incident – probably by cutting off a body piece.

The driver said that Smeja went back two weeks later with a bloodhound. The dog found the Bigfoot steak somewhere in the snow. At the moment, this incredible version may well be true.

The driver is still traumatized by the incident. He described it as horrible, disgusting and true. He also implied that Smeja is traumatized by the incident, but more that he can’t put it behind him than for any other reason. The driver said that Smeja is just hoping that the story would go away so he could move on. Instead, it’s not going away at all. As a matter of fact, it’s only beginning.

The driver also agreed with Smeja that Smeja reported it to the CA DFG, but he was laughed out of the office.

Finally, the driver said that the whole story would be coming out in about one month.

The friend struck me as intelligent in his correspondences with my source. At the least, he’s a better writer than Smeja. The driver did take exception to the depiction of Smeja as a dumb redneck, saying that he was a bright guy who had not idea that anyone would get mad at him for shooting a Bigfoot. At the moment, the driver has stopped responding to my source, so we may not get any more communications out of him.

Smeja probably a smooth, slick, excellent liar with multiple and sophisticated personality layers. My feeling is that Smeja lies very easily, is an excellent liar who can fool many people, and is not troubled by lying. Nevertheless, I do believe his story. At the moment, he’s lying mostly for damage control. Note that I do not think that being a skillful liar is a bad thing. After all, the most successful Americans have this characteristic.

He has a conscience, mostly buried, but it is active. He doesn’t worry much if at all and lacks introspection. He acts rather than thinks. Experiences little to no anxiety or depression. I honestly doubt that he feels very bad about what he did, but I suppose he would like to take it all back, if only because it was more trouble than it was worth. This is not the sort of person who suffers or beats themselves up over past deeds. Experiences little guilt.

But in this personality type, even when they are upset or even devastated about something, you won’t be able to tell as they will seem as happy go lucky as ever. He is an easy going, happy, optimistic and extroverted type who doesn’t analyze things. He acts, experiences and tries to either enjoy those experiences as best he can them or explain them off if he can’t.

He uses bluff, bluster, denial, “shrugging it off,” and smug, brash, “fast talking” overconfidence to blast through and throw off problems and threatening situations. He also dives into outdoors activities to take his mind off of troubling things. He may experience some anxiety, but if he does, he will just start moving his body or something to incorporate the anxiety and dissipate it. His personality is very highly developed, works on many different levels, and he has very good social skills. He is not a social idiot in any way. This person is a social actor.

Smeja hard to pin down morally. Some folks are clearly angelic, while others are obviously rats. Everyone agrees. Not so with Smeja. I don’t even want to go into whether or not Smeja is a good person or a bad person because my views are tainted with politics. That is, I abhor his politics (he’s an extreme culture warrior), which makes it hard for me to view him objectively.

He is the sort of person in whom it will be difficult to say if he is a good or bad person, and in today’s Social Darwinist America, such binary notions are often laughed at anyway if not devalued and ridiculed outright. Nevertheless, whether someone is good or bad is very important to me personally, so I will discuss it about him and others.

Plenty of folks who know Smeja dislike him intensely and think he is no good. Others seem to like him a lot, and think he is a good guy, if not the greatest guy around. He is capable of presenting himself very well as a “fine upstanding member of the community,” or, better yet, a model citizen who goes above and beyond the moral norms. He plays active roles in making his society a better place. This may go along with the hardcore Christian thing.

This sort of person, to whom right and wrong are often abstractions to be manipulated in various ways and explained away with fast talking bluster and careless laughter as this, that, the other, or whatever one wants them to mean, will do much the same in his own life, playing a variety of seemingly conflicting moral roles. Such a person is hard to pin down in a moral or theological sense, and they even tend to baffle psychologists. Their mores, norms and morals or lack of them are probably better explained by sociologists and political scientists than anyone else.

Justin Smeja recounts version of shooting on the web. Smeja is continuing to describe the shooting on the forums. He said that the mother and juvenile Bigfoots looked nothing alike at all, totally different. The mother was 600 pounds, and described as huge, but not skinny, fat, muscular or wide. The young ones, which appeared to be twins, approached them several times but then split up and took off to go looking for the mother.

He said that they were not aggressive, but instead they were worried and upset about what happened to the mother. They were communicating in an odd speech that sounded like a deaf person trying to talk. This is a very interesting statement and adds excellent weight to the story. In a number of Bigfoot sightings, people have described Bigfoot speech as sounding like a deaf person trying to talk. Smeja described it as “chatter, deaf chatter.” This is excellent once again, and it lines up with Albert Ostman’s description of their speech as “chatter.”

Smeja also stated that the young one had a gigantic head, almost out of proportion to its body. Once again this lines up with other reports and videos including the Pancake Video, where the young Bigfoot grabbing the pancake has a huge head. The young Bigfoot had pads on its black hands, thick and calloused. These would seem to resemble the “Ostman’s pads” that they have on their feet.

The young Bigfoot’s face was described as a combination of a Black person, a gorilla and a boxer dog. Here is a drawing that Smeja says best resembled the face of the young Bigfoot (minus the coned head). Many people have said that Bigfoots’ faces look like Black people. He said that the female ran very fast after she was hit, maybe 40 mph. Their eyes are the same as ours, with whites and an iris. Teeth were described as large, like a gorilla’s. Although Smeja believes “Patty” in the Patterson film to be real, he said that the Bigfoot he shot looked very much like Patty, but at the same time looked completely different.

Smeja buried the young Bigfoot under a tree, hoped to return later and retrieve it. However, before they left, Smeja buried the juvenile Bigfoot at the base of a tree with a lot of manzanita growing nearby. He piled branches and dirt on top of it. This once again contradicts his earlier story about leaving it where it fell. He also says when he moved it, it smelled bad. It smelled like “body odor X 12 plus coyote.” The smell stayed on his hands for days. The smell will also get onto your hands if you handle the flesh sample.

Smeja and the driver continue to hide Bigfoot slices from the shooting. Smeja has now admitted that both he and the driver continue to harbor Bigfoot slices from the shooting, in line with our original account where we said that he had retained parts of the bodies. He has changed his story again. For a long time, he insisted that he had no body parts; now he’s come clean on it. We are also vindicated on the driver having a piece. We mentioned a while back that Smeja may have cut up body parts and distributed them to his friends for hiding.

Smeja claims Bigfoot slice was huge, much larger than claimed originally. Smeja said that he cut the original piece in half and gave half of it to the driver. Then he claimed that he cut off 1/4 of his piece and sent it in to Ketchum. That means that the Ketchum piece, which was 7 inches long by 4 inches wide by 2 inches deep, was only 1/8 the size of the original piece.

The original piece sent in to Ketchum was 56 cubic inches in area – 7*4*2 = 56. But the original piece itself must have been 448 cubic inches. Think of how huge that original piece must have been. It’s getting harder and harder to believe that he found a hunk that huge in the snow when he went back.

Olympic Project sent in Bigfoot slice, not Smeja. This is according to Smeja. He sent a slice to the OP, and they apparently sent it in to the Ketchum Project. This is what we originally reported, and we got into a lot of trouble for reporting this because the OP said they had nothing to do with the slice, never sent it in, and implied that Smeja had done so.

Ketchum’s crazy NDA’s sealing the lips of sample submitters shut. People are asking why sample submitters, including Derek Randles and Justin Smeja, are not allowed to talk much about the circumstances surrounding the samples that they collected. In Randles and Smeja’s case, they can’t talk much about the Sierra Kills.This is the reason why all the photos of Larry Johnson’s Bigfoot toenail are being pulled off the web.

The reason for this is the snarky and scientifically unnecessary NDA’s from Dr. Melba Ketchum, director of the DNA project. According to these NDA’s, you cannot discuss or publish anything about the samples you give her, including the circumstances in which you found them, where you found them, when you found them, photos of the samples, etc. If you won’t sign that agreement, she won’t take your sample.

Such an agreement is ridiculous. Suppose you had a great Bigfoot sample that you wanted to give to the study, the greatest in the world to date. Ketchum will reject your sample unless you sign her sneaky NDA. Therefore, the best sample out there would be rejected from the study. This is not science. It’s business. Ketchum’s DNA study is being run as a profit-maximizing business enterprise first, and as a scientific venture only second.

Imagine if a real scientific study, say run out of Max Plank Institute in Germany, was looking at evidence for Bigfoot. Would they make you sign such an NDA? Of course not. Why not? Because it’s scientifically unnecessary, and the Max Frank folks would not be running the study as a business venture.

The only agreement they make you sign would be one letting them use your sample for their study. What do they care if you talk about it or not? Ketchum’s NDA’s are 100% about making money and 0% about science. A friend of mine noted that the money-making objective of her study tends to taint the study automatically in his eyes. He may be correct. Science ain’t business. The moment went all science becomes a profit-making enterprise, the scientific enterprise is down the toilet.

Everyone signing on with Ketchum’s project will be left hanging out to try by her grossly illegal contracts. According to Ketchum’s NDA, she owns all rights to the DNA sequencing of the samples submitted to her. This is so she can ca$$$h in on them. Now suppose you submit a sample to Ketchum for her study. She uses and gives it back to you.

Now you want to take it to Robert Lindsay’s DNA Lab for them to sequence the DNA, maybe to see if Ketchum was right or not. You pay Lindsay’s lab for the DNA work. Lindsay gives you the results from the testing, and guess who owns the reports Lindsay just gave you? Melba Ketchum! Yes, she owns the rights to even subsequent DNA work done by other labs.

Want to write a book and talk about the DNA results? No can do, better leave that out of the book or you get sued. Want to go on TV and talk about the results from your tooth or whatever. Better not, or you get sued.

In my opinion, this is simply an illegal contract. It’s not enforceable. A source showed the contract to an attorney in Arizona. The attorney said that the agreement is illegal and not enforceable in Arizona.

Hand of unknown origin is only a bear paw. Don Monroe’s “hand of unknown origin” which was found in a dump in Montana or Idaho and turned in to Ketchum’s DNA study, has turned out to be a bear paw after all. There was controversy about the hand. One of my sources was sure that it was a Bigfoot hand. Ketchum and Jeff Meldrum both said that it was a bear paw, a conclusion that each one reached independently. Kudos to Meldrum and Ketchum for getting it right.

Here is the analysis:

After viewing the report and radiographs from Dr. Reese, which you have posted on your website, I can conclusively state that the “hand” Don Monroe submitted to you is actually the forepaw of a bear. If you would look at “Fundamentals of Forensic Anthropology” by Linda L. Klepinger, page 22, you will see a side-by-side comparison of the radiographs of a human hand, and the forepaw of a bear.

As can clearly be seen, the radiograph in the book is nearly identical to the one Dr. Reese produced. I believe Dr. Reese was unable to properly identify the paw, because he misidentified the bear’s 5th digit as a severed first digit. This caused all the confusion. The “hand” is not the right paw, but the left. The carpals in a bear’s paw share no similarities with a humans, but may look similar near the digits, if reversed.

The expert who reviewed the hand is a PhD physicist who teaches Computational Condensed Matter Physics at the University of Chicago.

Plumas County Sheriff’s Office refuses to investigate Sierra Kills. We called the Plumas County Sheriff’s Office. They told us that they had received some calls recently from folks reporting this case. The callers had mentioned Justin Smeja as the perpetrator of the incident. The office decided to turn the case over to Fish and Game.

The office said that callers had mentioned the steak from the Kills testing 100% positive. This could imply crimes such as homicide, or transporting, theft or mutilating a corpse. However, they said that that was 3rd hand information and not worthy of investigation. They acted like the whole matter was ridiculous.

US national security teams looking into the Sierra Kills? We received a tip from a source who is in contact with someone who is big in the Bigfoot world. This person has an extensive background in US military and national security. According to his sources in the government, US national security agencies are aware of the Sierra Kills incident and are investigating it. For some reason, whatever happened has national security consequences. As this is a 4th hand report, we can’t confirm it in any way, but it is interesting.

Bigfoot steak contaminated by human DNA? The Bigfoot slice recovered from the Sierra Kills tested 100% on an initial DNA test. Some are suggesting that it was contaminated by humans in the course of the chain of custody in transporting it to the lab. The problem is that Ketchum took a variety of samples from deep down inside the slice. There is no way that flesh down that deep could have been contaminated in handling or transport.

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25 thoughts on “Bigfoot News August 5, 2011”

  1. Fvck Melba Ketchup. I’m going to upload that toenail picture on my FB and even caption it “Melba Ketchum does not want you to see this Bigfoot toenail because of her corrupt Non Disclosure Agreements.” No one will know what the hell I’m talking about, but it’ll make me feel better. 🙂

  2. About the ONLY way Dr. Ketchum can “own” the DNA sequencing is by being granted a patent on the gene line. There are numerous reports on people who have a specific gene in their own DNA sequencing that can be used in fighting diseases, and when part of a study, naively signed a contract giving the rights to their own DNA and blood to a specific researcher. Right now, I am wracking my tiny lil pea brain for the names of the last people I read about in this problematic situation.

    However, in Dr. Ketchum’s case, she appears to be planting the seeds of a patent on BigFoot DNA, and probably species-owning. She may also be trying to have the naming rights to this hominid, which would for all practical purposes, make her name “immortal” in the scientific world! Every person involved in tis project, and in BigFoot research, from the ordinary (!) BF hunter, to the many scientists involved in BF research,, would love to have such a chance at name recognition forever!

    Don’t make the word profit an obscenity. Money makes the world go ’round. Who among us work for free? I certainly can’t, altho in times past, I HAVE done work for free for projects I feel strongly about! Science has to be funded somehow, and frankly, I’d rather private citizens fund research, than a nanny gubbmint which would, by virtue of its power, decide what might come into being and what would not.

    Many great things came out of the now defunct space project, our lives have been greatly enriched by the space program, and knowing exactly what Sas is, just might enhance our lives. We will not know until all facts have been proven to be so. Dr. Ketchum, in my opinion only, is but one cog in this great wheel.

  3. Mr. Lindsay- IMHO the only way that Smeja can put this whole incident behind him is to come clean. What I mean to come clean would be to go to a notary and have your “true” and final statement notorized and turn a copy into the Ca. DFG. He would need to disclose as best as possible the location and time lines. I doubt he would be prosecuted, however IMO regulations and possibly PSA’s need to be implumated to protect our resourses; remember Smeja says that the dieing baby bigfoot looked human, and these Hominids need be protected from future incidents like this. Patrick Robbins

  4. Is there any recent news as to the timeline of Ketchum’s peer reviewed DNA paper and other evidence, like the alleged high quality video from other sources, being released to the public?

    Has anyone who posts on this forum actually seen the video evidence first hand? I’ve seen accounts but they seem to be more second or third hand stories, unless I have missed one.

    Just wondering if progress has been made on these fronts, and what we might expect.

  5. Hey, everyone, calm down! Lindsay meant the Max Planck Institute; that was a typo. Read my lips, not my spelling.

    While I don’t agree with several of Lindsay’s conclusions, he may be right on at least some of them — especially the important one that the Sierra Kills may in fact have taken place. I hope not, but then again he may be right. At least he has the guys to say what he has concluded from reasonably extensive research.

    When he interviewed me some time ago, he didn’t seem to have taken notes, but rather written the interview up from memory (right, Bob?). In the event, he maybe got 95% of it totally correct, and 5% slightly incorrect.

    He then allowed me to tell him exactly how to correct it, which he did.

    How often to you find a reporter that will allow THAT, without spin as it were?

    If these two Sierra kills actually took place, I don’t believe for a moment that they just “left everything behind on the ground or in the snow”. I believe they took (evidently a gigantic) slice from the female mother, and I also believe they took the 4′ tall, 80 lb juvenile. In fact, Smeja claims that’s why he shot the toddler or child bigfoot–to see what it really was.

    Have a look in a freezer somewhere around Citrus Heights or Roseville, CA. There’s the body of the toddler, everyone … unless Smeja had pulled off another “Georgia Boys” hoax, that is?

    Lastly, if the Olympic project is that mad, how come DerekFoot claims now that he’s sent in “upwards of 100 samples himself”? Is he “doubling up” on samples such as the bigfoot steak, and counting that as (say) 50 samples?

    If their evidence is all THAT bad, why is Ketchum so interested in all these samples?

    Something doesn’t make a whole lot of sense here, folks.

    Richard Stubstad

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  6. what’s interesting is no one is talking online in the Bigfoot world ..not now…not after this story…they simply point to this blog…too hot to handle?
    either the major Bigfoot researchers don’t believe it or everyone involved on NDAs.and it did happen and they are just now figuring out that to have scientific scrutiny they must reveal the source…oops…
    At the least, if the BF world thought a HOAX they would be blogging happy to be smarter than those hoaxed…
    it is all weird.

  7. It’s not too surprising. Credulity about bigfoot stories has become common on the stories on here. It has probably harmed the ‘bigfoot cause’. Especially all the dubious Ketchum / Smeja stuff. Of Kulls’ classifications, the most relevant is “Psychologically Needy Hoaxer” … which Kulls indicates is common for people who
    1. live on their own,
    2. have recently had a death in their life,
    3. and are attention-seeking.

    I don’t know about the first two, but the third is confirmed by the subtitle of this blog.

  8. I think if you go back to the Georgia Hoax Steve pops up… all in the BF world his past as mixed as the rest on the BF scene? Although I don’t follow his inputs into the BF world I am aware he works very hard at keeping his “position” of importance within that world. The funny things is..if and when this study is finally released (or the other ones I hear are advancing on DNA) the world will care little for how the BF world divided or graded itself…a whole new level of players will come in….hopefully, anthropologists and policy makers (that doesn’t sound good…but it’s our system) and self appointed gurus will fade. That said I think Steve has some respect…but then so does Biscardi for those who are of like mind.

    1. I want the anthros and policy makers to take over. The BF World has been taken over by the worst of humanity, or at least American humanity. That is due to the nature of the subject. Once we prove these things are real, the grownups will step and all the kids and their toys will have to clean up their mess and go home for supper.

  9. OMG! LOL, LOL.. I went to the site, went to “hoaxers page”…too funny, too funny.
    Read the “key” for how his classification works and then compare that standard to the websites he identifies…..LOL

    He speaks his own bias…self deluded and ego important… YUK! Wouldn’t trust a thing he writes, too self interested. I could add to his list of “psychological” idiots….from my small count (I gave up on BF sites…except he can add almost all the amateur websites (which is everybody) as well as the old standbys built on sensationalist journalism such as Cryptomundo… (read Coleman’s post about Paulides and his detective career…a real stretch to discredit a competitor)….these guys are too funny! And vicious.

    I marvel that our culture embraces liars, I don’t know about you, but I was taught dishonesty was the worst of “sins” in that one can’t navigate a world of deceit…anything bad, any tragedy, any competition, any feelings, one can deal with if they know the truth….we really need to value honesty more in our society…regardless of political or religious views….

    Too FUNNY!!! Let him post Robert, he will hang himself!

    Oh wait, don’t…I forgot for a moment, in the hilarity, that I do desire this topic to be taken seriously and with our best cognitive and emotional intelligence.

    Again, a view into the BF world has been a real eyeopener for me….as much as the reality of Bigfoots has been!

  10. I should also mention – if you can avoid the blog entries and some other self serving “news” on the NABS site (not recalling addy) you will find some excellent information from some old time researchers (NABS purchased the archives)…saying and doing the same things these guys are today (wrt to Bigfoot), 40 years ago…very interesting reads. Also, Paulides has changed the paradigm of the Monster image to some degree. His efforts have resulted in two very well researched books: Hoopla Project and Tribal Bigfoot…and I believe it’s his well expressed difficulties with the “timeline” of the PG film that gets him in hot water with the likes of Crytomundo (aside from the division of ape vs. human)….

    That said, I think his weakness is little real experience in the field.. I mean the endless nights out there waiting and watching. Slipping into Happy Camp to interview and look around is not “in the field.” But, again there are those in the field sending him their info…one can’t do it all.

  11. The greatest aspect of your site Robert is that it attracts a number of people who are more than passingly familiar with conceptual thinking, lateral thinking, and, critical thinking. Not everyone mind you, but enough. All Sasquatch bloggers should be so fortunate — but it’s a community where-in intellect usually sits way-y-y-y in the back . . . The bogtrotters, you know, the man-child who’s just finished his Saturday morning bowl of Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs and then rushes straight into the woods in his army jim-jams, guns, and trail cams, are in the ascendent at this particular moment. That will change. Cheers!

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