Paul Krugman – The Republican Party Is Insane

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Well, yeah, it’s been obvious for some time now. And they’ve been getting more and more loony for a long time now. This has been an ongoing process. Obama’s Health Care plan was originally proposed by the ultra-rightwing Heritage Foundation and reactionary dog Bob Dole in 1993. It’s a rightwing project. When reactionary nut Mitt Romney put it in in Massachusetts a few years back, the Right cheered. But when Obama proposed the same rightwing plan, the Right jumped up and down, threw a fit, and screamed “Communism”! It makes no sense.

Krugman suggests that the modern Republican Party sees any Democratic Presidency as fundamentally illegitimate. It’s basically a fascist party a radical rightwing party that rejects democracy. We saw this under Clinton with the endless fake investigations over nothing, the fake impeachment over nothing – one of the most outrageous acts in the history of US government, the investigations of the President’s sex life, the insane rumors about Hillary being a lesbian and a Communist, the notion that Clinton was a Communist, the repeated attempts to shut down the government.

Then there were the two electoral thefts from Democratic Presidential contenders, first in 2000 by the most corrupt and reactionary Supreme Court in history and second in 2004 via the hacking of the computer voting system, deliberately set up by fascist Republicans and fascist Republican corporations in order to steal elections for the fascist Republican Party.

We are seeing it again under Obama. Things that the Right would normally agree with, as they are after all radical Right proposals that Obama makes over and over, are rejected as “Communism.” There are repeated attempts to shut down the government, attempts, willful or not, to wreck the economy so Obama won’t be re-elected, endless racist race-baiting, suggestions that Obama is a Communist, a traitor, and not an American citizen.

The problem is that a huge number of Americans – 40-50% are supporting an ultra-rightwing and frankly fascist political party. Which means that 40-50% of Americans are open fascists.

I don’t think it’s fair to just blame the Republican Party. The American people could easily reject these morons, right? In any decent country, a party like that might poll something like 8%. It’s like blaming the Nazi Party for Nazism. That party couldn’t have done it without the support of millions of citizens.

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86 thoughts on “Paul Krugman – The Republican Party Is Insane”

  1. I’ve recently been reading a lot about Hitler and his rise to power in the 1930’s. I really hope I’m wrong (especially since I’ve got a brother and a sister, and numerous other relatives in the US) but I have a gut feel that what you are going through in the USA today is what the Germans were going through during the Weimer Republic in the late 20’s and early 30’s, before Hitler took over . An aggressive, determined, fanatical, irrational right wing. A reactionary middle class. A defeated working class. A persistently depressed economy and massive unemployment. Spineless leaders on the so-called left (right wing social democrats in the case of Germany, 99% of Democrats in the case of the US). The conditions appear ripe for the emergence of a Great Leader, and a full fledged fascist state. God help us all!

    1. To Bernardio Carpio:

      I have a gut feel that what you are going through in the USA today is what the Germans were going through during the Weimer Republic in the late 20′s and early 30′s, before Hitler took over . An aggressive, determined, fanatical, irrational right wing. A reactionary middle class.

      I doubt it .. and this is coming from someone who has several Jewish relatives. If we are sliding towards fascism it is much more likely to be the half-assed Latin American variety wherein the elites are behind walled compounds protected by bodyguards and the masses suffer from mass inflation and economic instability.

  2. The problem is that a huge number of Americans – 40-50% are supporting an ultra-rightwing and frankly fascist political party. Which means that 40-50% of Americans are open fascists.

    With respect, Robert, that’s simply silly.

    As someone who’s been around white Republicans in Orange County, I can tell you that these types are not very ideologically motivated or fascist.

    Their Republicanism is more of a “keep your grubby tax and spend liberal hands off my money” sentiment than anything remotely related to fascism. In fact, hanging out with these OC Republican types, you get the impression that they’re socially liberal. One of them even said he supported gay marriage!

    And logically, Robert, that’s like saying that 40-50% of Americans support the bombing of Libya and the expansion of American imperialism in Afghanistan just because they vote Democrat, or saying that Democrat voters back in the 60s supported the Vietnam war. Etc.

    Frankly, Robert, most Americans of any race don’t know shit about the issues, and just vote for the party that their parents vote, or vote for the candidate they like on a personal level. Whether it was white Bush know-nothings or young people (particularly young non-whites) who voted for Obama simply because they like rap music and Kobe Bryant, American voters are rather ignorant.

    To imply that these Republican voters are fascists because they support the supposedly fascist Republican party (which real fascists consider a joke) is to give them too much credit.

    1. I think the disagreement here is over a word- fascism- that some people give a narrow interpretation to and that others use more broadly.

      To be fair- is there only ONE definition of Conservative, Liberal, Democracy, or Socialism? Of course not. Teddy Roosevelt and Joseph McCarthy are conservative, Adma Smith and Jimmy Carter are liberals, ancient Greece (where few could vote) and modern Canada are democracies, Sweden and North Korea are socialist countries.

      So why the exception for “Fascism”? I had a Poli Sci prof who said that Fascism only existed in Spain, Italy and Germany during the 30s. Period.

      The American Left has been calling the American Right “fascist” for a long time, for some good reasons (McCarthy, J.Edgar Hoover, Nixon). What they mean is they see it as Fascism- American Style. The Left gets called Un-Patriotic, Un-Godly, cowardly, anti- Law & Order, and siding with the Enemy. Oh, and all Lefties are Maoist totalitarian communists. Um, that’s fascist stuff!

      Fascism was very different in Italy, very different in Spain, and the Nazis really deserve a category all their own. Fascism doesn’t have to inlude virulent racism and anti-Semi suff. That’s a MYTH.

      Fascism in this context means American Style modern fascism- relative fascism compared to the left, that is.

      1. Fascism in this context means American Style modern fascism- relative fascism compared to the left, that is.

        Sorry, but I still disagree. Regardless of your interpretation, when people hear “fascism,” they think Nazi Germany, Mussolini’s Italy, or Franco’s Spain. The connotation of fascism is an extreme hypernationalism/racial nationalism.

        Sorry, but ignorant doofuses at Tea Party rallies just don’t compare.

        Frankly, I’m sick of hearing the slurs “Communist” and “Fascist” thrown around, whether it’s right wingers calling leftists the offspring of Stalin, or people on the left calling everything on the right Fascist/Nazi.

        (though, sadly, it seems that calling somebody Nazi has become an equal opportunity game)

        1. Agreed- when the Right stops calling all Lefties Communists, Maoist, Marxists (very few left-wingers are purists in this way- 5% maybe?), then the Left should stop calling the Right “fascist”.

          But I agree that it an annoying distortion if you are a purist about that word. And yes, REAL fascists would never join the Republican Party.

          Any self-respecting real Nazi would have nothing to do with either political party. Too much jew-know-who influence.

          The American Right is rather hypernationalist, and, while they are not overtly hyper racialist-nationalist (they claim to be a big tent- what a joke) anymore- the undercurrent is still there- as you say- the Repubes are the “White Party” (by default)- which doesn’t make them fascist, I agree. But it makes them look more like fascists to the Left.

          You don’t know how much it pisses me off when I get called a Nazi/Fascist just for not being anti-White and anti-Western, when in reality I’m just an anti-P.C. social democrat.

        2. You don’t know how much it pisses me off when I get called a Nazi/Fascist just for not being anti-White and anti-Western, when in reality I’m just an anti-P.C. social democrat.

          This is pretty much what I am too. For the most part the only people I can discuss pro-Western views with in public are politically far to my right. The people who will openly discuss lefty economics tend to be the sort of tight-assed PC types we always mock here. Or they’re like my parents and still get all upset about whatever the big bad Republicans are doing to our poor noble Democrats.

          I suspect a lot of people secretly agree with us but are too afraid to say so. A lot of what we say here is illegal in Europe and can cost you a job here.

          The MSM keeps a tight rein on how right and left can be framed, continually reinforcing the idea that you can have all of Column A, or all of Column B as they define it, and no substitutions. It’s kind of shocking that people just accept it wholesale, but you’ll never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

        3. I suspect a lot of people secretly agree with us but are too afraid to say so.

          I agree. Even among white people in the ultraliberal Bay Area, you can sense it.

          My parents, for instance. While they are PC on a few issues, and are loyal Democrats, behind closed doors they’ll agree with a decent amount of what I say, and think that much PC and multiculturalism is BS.

          continually reinforcing the idea that you can have all of Column A, or all of Column B as they define it, and no substitutions.

          Yeah, as I’ve mentioned before, I think that much of the assholification of the American voter, in addition to the role played by snooty cultural leftists (as you’ve pointed out before), has to do with this monstrosity known as the two-party system.

          This binary of thinking yields disastrous results.

          If you’re a white person out in the heartland, the choices offered to you are a pro-corporate, plutocratic party that only cares about the rich and fuck everyone else, thank you very much. Or, you can have a slightly less corporatized, neoliberal, multiculturalist party obsessed with gay marriage, amnesty for illegal immigrants, and other lifestyle issues.

          For most white Americans, regardless of their political views, they’re not going to want to get on board with the latter. And I think that Robert’s analysis of why a majority of whites (though not even that huge of a majority, at that) vote Republican fails to take this into account.

          I mean, it was an overwhelmingly white country, which would be considered hopelessly bigoted and reactionary by today’s standards, that gave us FDR/the New Deal, the 5 day/40 hour work week, the FDA, and various other revolutionary changes.

        4. you’ll never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

          Indeed. Americans in general, be they left or right, black or white, just aren’t very informed.

          Whether it’s Tea Party Turds who think Obama of all people is a radical Marxist, or liberal know-nothings (including certain radical black leftists like the odious Ishmael Reed, who zealously defend Obama because he’s a brotha) who uncritically support Obama without realizing he’s an extension of dubya, American voters of whatever background are not know for their critical thinking faculties.

        5. “while they are not overtly hyper racialist-nationalist (they claim to be a big tent- what a joke) anymore- the undercurrent is still there”

          Well, maybe you guys don’t realize it out in California, but their is a definite racial undercurrent in the democratic parties in large cities in the Midwest and the East…..a BLACK racial undercurrent, at least in St. Louis anyway. Why inner city parts of the Democratic Party who constantly preach black interests over others are not called fascist if the “white party” is is surely hypocritical, but then again, many anti-colonial leftist movements very ethnonationalist and the left found ways to bend “the rules” ( and logic) to call them anti-racist instead (ie “only whites can be racist”), so I guess anything is possible. By some miracle of God, St. Louis has a mostly white (part-arab) mayor right now. I don’t kow how he managed it though. The state of MO recently took of the city school system and blacks were calling that “rayciss” for a long time. The undercurrent is definitely here. Something recently happened not far from St. Louis that backs this up, I doubt it was on national news: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/06/black-youths-march-in-peoria-screaming-we-need-to-kill-all-white-people/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gatewaypundit2+%28Gateway+Pundit%29

        6. Well, maybe you guys don’t realize it out in California

          There isn’t a black undercurrent out here in Cali, but there are definitely other racial undercurrents within the Democratic party.

          There is certainly a Hispanic undercurrent, and to a smaller extent Asian one.

          Going to UCI and observing politics in Orange County, I was very surprised with what I found out. Contrary to the stereotype that Orange County is a lily white, homogenous Republican enclave, there are LOTS of Hispanics and Asians (well, at least around Irvine) in the OC.

          Santa Ana is basically a little Mexico/barrio, being around 78% Hispanic. Of course, it’s the most Democratic of all OC cities.

          (despite the stat that whites are around 50% of the population, since our idiot government often lumps Hispanics in with whites, thus making the white population look bigger than it really is)

          Irvine also elected a Korean immigrant Democrat as its mayor around the same time as Obama’s victory, and he won his reelection term just last year. The official stats say whites are 50% of Irvine and Asians 39%, but I highly suspect that white numbers are much lower and Asian numbers much higher, based on what I’ve seen. Well, at least if the latest mayoral elections are an indication of anything, the Asians are taking over Irvine.

          Outside of the OC, there’s L.A, of course, which is another Hispanic city. And in places like Oakland, blacks dominate the city’s Democratic politics.

          Perhaps one of the few exceptions to this rule is S.F, where whites are still the plurality and vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Based on what I’ve seen, there seems to be a balancing of racial power in S.F. between whites and Asians (mainly Chinese). During Gavin Newsome’s time as mayor, there was an Asian police chief. Now that the mayor is Asian, there’s a white police chief. There generally aren’t too many racial issues in S.F. politics. While much is made about how marginalized blacks are in S.F, they’re only 6% of the population, so few really care about them. Even Hispanics are less than 20% of the population.

          The Golden State is now the Brown State. Good thing I get along with Hispanics and Asians so well, because they’re going to be completely running things before too long.

        7. You know, the whites of California, since they still comprise the majority of the electorate, could do much better for themselves if they would stop bickering over idiotic binaries such as Democrat vs Republican, liberal vs. conservative, etc.

          While Hispanic and Asian voters are not quite as monolithic as blacks (more of a 65-35% balance), they’re increasingly voting as blocs.

          Whites would do well to do the same. Not that I want the Republican party to do well. Oh hell no. But we need to stop dividing ourselves over these labels. I read something somewhere that 25% of Californians would support an openly pro-white party (and of course, since 25% of all Californians would support it, that means an even higher percentage of whites would. Of course, polls are not exactly reliable, but that’s still saying something).

          Time for a new party, anyone?

        8. Oh, and for those of you who will call me fascist or extremist for proposing such a thing, too bad.

          While there may not be a burning need for a viable pro-white political organization in Cali right now, there will be in the future, as whites continue to lose ground and realize that the future in Cali is not for them.

        9. “There is certainly a Hispanic undercurrent, and to a smaller extent Asian one”

          By asian, I’m going to assume that you mean oriental. Can you tell me if there are any problems with Desis in California (other than the curry smell)?

          “Good thing I get along with Hispanics and Asians so well, because they’re going to be completely running things before too long”

          I guess that ever since Schwarzeneggar came in, the immigrant hordes have taken over. He must have been quite a fruit picker. (That must have helped him in San Francisco.)

          John UK has informed me about the NWO conspiracy that brought in Schwarzeneggar via a Turkish muslim anti-christ conspiracy. Schwarz means black in german. -Neggar sounds a lot like “nigger”. So California was taken over by a guy named “black-nigger”. Since melanin is an indication of contamination by the devil, this is and obvious symbol of the New masonic/illuminati World Order. This was all organized by Brezezinski in a room over a bagel shop in Brooklyn.

        10. By asian, I’m going to assume that you mean oriental. Can you tell me if there are any problems with Desis in California (other than the curry smell)?

          Lol, while I know you were saying that tongue-in-cheek, the answer is no. By “Asian,” I mean primarily Chinese and Korean, and to a smaller extent Filipino.

          John UK has informed me about the NWO conspiracy that brought in Schwarzeneggar via a Turkish muslim anti-christ conspiracy. Schwarz means black in german. -Neggar sounds a lot like “nigger”. So California was taken over by a guy named “black-nigger”. Since melanin is an indication of contamination by the devil, this is and obvious symbol of the New masonic/illuminati World Order. This was all organized by Brezezinski in a room over a bagel shop in Brooklyn.

          Hehe :), couldn’t resist taking a shot at Johnny boy, could you? 😉
          Well, who can blame you. He’s the gift that keeps on giving. Don’t forget the Chechens!

        11. I guess that ever since Schwarzeneggar came in, the immigrant hordes have taken over. He must have been quite a fruit picker

          If you were poking fun at me with that remark (and I’m guessing you weren’t, since you and I generally get along, so I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt here), then I’ll just say that while whites were and still are the majority of voters in California (since a good number of California’s Hispanics are either illegal immigrants or uneducated anchor babies who don’t vote), they’re sitting on top a house of cards.

          Sooner or later, these old white voters will die off, illegals will receive “amnesty,” and the rest will be history.

        12. “Hehe , couldn’t resist taking a shot at Johnny boy, could you?
          Well, who can blame you. He’s the gift that keeps on giving. Don’t forget the Chechens!”

          I don’t hate the guy. I probably agree with him about certain things, but the antichrist conspiracy theories are just kind of weird. Also, the idea of a US backed “mexican genocide” is ridiculous too. Sure, american drug consumers are partially responsible for some of MExico’s problems, but nowhere near totally responsible. Mexicans have to take a good part of the blame. Of course, it is not unheard of that a government would fund drug addiction or mass murder to further it (ex the Opium Wars) or just be complacent if it is in their interests, but that is not genocide. Just a complete lack of ethics.

          I also have a hard time believing anything from Slobodan Milosevic.org. I know that the US said a lot of bullshit about Serbia and covered up much about Albanian groups like the KLA, but I don’t want to fall for someone else’s bullshit just because the US media/government says something different.

        13. “uneducated anchor babies who don’t vote”

          I heard that there were so many illiterate voters in New Mexico that they had to put pictures of candidates on the ballot. I don’t know how true it is, but if it is, that’s pretty fucked up. New Mexico must be a basket case. Everyone their is either a uneducated illegal immigrant or anchor baby, and alcoholic indian, a cracker rancher, or a government research scientist. Seems like a crazy combination. It a beautiful state though.

        14. Of course, it is not unheard of that a government would fund drug addiction or mass murder to further it (ex the Opium Wars) or just be complacent if it is in their interests, but that is not genocide. Just a complete lack of ethics

          And like you said, it can’t all be blamed on the distributors/financiers either.

          While the British pushed opium and even offered free samples to get people addicted, the Chinese were also willing consumers.

          In fact, many if not most of those who consumed opium in China were from the privileged classes, including many government officials, so the image of a bunch of downtrodden Chinese peasants having opium shoved down their throats by the evil British is in many ways false.

          For me, this whole rhetoric about how the U.S. is ENTIRELY responsible for the drug problems in Mexico, or how the British almost singlehandedly brought down the noble Qing Dynasty through their nasty opium is all part of this romanticization of non-whites as noble beings who are easily contaminated by evil white men.

        15. “If you were poking fun at me with that remark ”

          No, just making a joke.

          I think one has to admit that the SanFran area seems like a fag Mecca. I had an uncle who was there in the seventies who said that the homos in San Francisco were actually quite tough and violent. He also said that they were sexually aggressive. I personally don’t know about the whole thing, but if I’m ever in SanFran, I won’t but in line for Streisand tickets.

        16. Everyone their is either a uneducated illegal immigrant or anchor baby, and alcoholic indian, a cracker rancher, or a government research scientist. Seems like a crazy combination. It a beautiful state though.

          Lol, I remember seeing one of those offensive t-shirts that said “New Mexico: cleaner than regular Mexico.”

        17. I think one has to admit that the SanFran area seems like a fag Mecca. I had an uncle who was there in the seventies who said that the homos in San Francisco were actually quite tough and violent. He also said that they were sexually aggressive. I personally don’t know about the whole thing, but if I’m ever in SanFran, I won’t but in line for Streisand tickets.

          As someone who’s very familiar with S.F. and who’s been there frequently, despite the fact that S.F. is a fag mecca and has a bit of a effeminate/girly man vibe, unless you go looking for trouble/adventure in the Castro district, you generally have nothing to worry about.

          Of course, you might have to deal with traffic every now and then due to gay pride parades and AIDS walks, but I’ve never had to deal with gays while there. You hardly even see men openly holding hands/gay couples walking about, so to me that indicates that they’re primarily confined to the Castro district.

          While much is made about homos, S.F. is more of a mixed SWPL/Asian city, and while you won’t see too many gay couples, I can’t tell you how many white male/Asian female couples I’ve seen.

          (If you’re there, Lafleur, I’ve always been curious as to how white women view this whole “Yellow Fever” phenomenon. While you always hear Asian men denounce it, I’d be interested to hear a white woman’s perspective on it)

          You would probably get by just fine in S.F, Wade. It’s also worth noting that with the exception of the Tenderloin, Hunters Point, and similar areas, you don’t generally have to deal with those aggressive ghetto blacks you so often speak of regarding East St. Louis.

        18. “you don’t generally have to deal with those aggressive ghetto blacks you so often speak of regarding East St. Louis.”

          If only it were just East St. Louis. That is a misconception people not from around here normally have. East St. Louis is not actually a part of St. Louis, it is in Illinois. All the “communities” around East St. Louis are horrible ghettos too or are so crowded by industrial plants that they have a bad smell. Much ait pollution from on of these cities called Sauget pours into St. Louis everyday. Much of the human pollution comes over via Metrolink. Much of the Illinois sides economy consists of strip joints. The city itself isn’t so great either, especially North St. Louis. It has gotten worse in the last half century. North St. Louis has always been poorer, but it has not always been totally black. South St. Louis was whiter and a better area to live, but it seems to be declining too. Most people in the area live in St. Louis Couty or St. Charles county and there is a huge problem with sprawl. I believe much of it comes from the fact that no one wants to live around many of these getto type blacks, apparently not even other blacks. Growing up in a school with a signifigant amount of deseg busing, I could definintely tell the difference between “our” blacks and the ones bused from the city. I’m not going to say that they were some exceptional group, but they weren’t nearly as niggerish as the ones from the city. The suburbs aren’t the greatest either, thought they’re still prettty nice in most parts. In the last decade we had a mexican explosion, but it has subsided a bit. We also get a lot of southeast asians were, especially vietnamese. I was surprised that I could access my high schools website in English, Spanish, and Vietnamese last time I visited. It seems odd to someone who spent the early years of his life (with older family who spent their entire life) with the white/black dichotomy where the occasional mongoloid or indian is an interesting oddity and mexicans were almost unheard of. I don’t know how much longer the current trends in St. Louis can last. The sparawl has gotten worse. From 2000- 2010 St. Louis lost 8% of is population and a quarter of it below 25 population. The white populace shrunk and the poor black populace grew. (This despite all the talk of “gentrification”). Even St. Louis county has dipped below the million mark for the first time since it exceeded it. The more far flung suburb, St. Charles, has been booming in terms of population. It is the cause of millions of gallons of gas being wasted each year. It’s also a republican hotbed. The city is democratic and STL County seems to fluctuate while leaning towards the democrats somewhat. I am actually afraid the city is dying. It’s still the largest area in MO by far, but it does not seem the have the best future in store unless something changes. A lot of people I know who grew up in the city and inner ring suburbs decades ago are quite pissed about what has happened. My mother usually isn’t to much into race issues, but she cannot hardly talk about what has happend to St. Louis without using the word “nigger” several times. The recent occurences of the new black amusement source, the “knockout game”, have just further entrenched how pissed off some people are about it.

        19. Gay Area Guy
          Asian women are too few in number to be an issue for most white women, even those living on the west coast and there aren’t to many white men actively seeking out Asian women over white women.

        20. Asian women are too few in number to be an issue for most white women, even those living on the west coast and there aren’t too many white men actively seeking out Asian women over white women.

          Well, maybe you haven’t seen it, but I have. I’ve seen so many white male/Asian female couples that I’ve lost count.

          On a national level, it’s not an issue, and most white men will go for white women. But in places like S.F, Irvine, and other places where the whites and Asians are relatively balanced numbers wise, you can see it.

          While angry Asians claim that it has to do with fetishization of Asian women and creepy white rice chasers, I can’t help but think that the proliferation of WM/AF couples reflects a crisis in the relationship between white men and white women to a certain extent.

          Don’t get me wrong. People are people, and there can definitely be genuine love between people of different races without some kind of fetish or racial motivation involved. But the fact that so many white guys go for Asian girls in areas with lots of Asians might just indicate that many white men no longer find white women desirable.

          I don’t know. I apologize if I’m going too off topic (not that that’s uncommon on this blog), but since I had Lafleur’s attention, and this issue has been bugging me a bit, I had to bring it up.

        21. Asian women do provide a noticeable amount of competition for Jewish women on the East Coast.

          Good ol’ “Tiger Mom” Amy Chua being a good example. Funny how Mrs. “Chinese way” didn’t actually marry a Chinese man.

        22. “But the fact that so many white guys go for Asian girls in areas with lots of Asians might just indicate that many white men no longer find white women desirable. ”

          I think that much of this kind of thinking about interractial dating (including BM/WF combos) is a little ridiculous. Guys want a girl who a) is not annoying 100% of the time (maybe 90% or so…that’s a low number) and b) gets their pecker hard. The idea that white men don’t find white women desirable seems kind of silly. The reality is that when a white man goes out with a white women, he only goes out with that women, not every other white women. Same with asian women. The obsession that some have about entire races being attractive is stupid. Assume for a second that you thought the average asian was a 4 and the average white girl was a 5. Would you turn down an asian 10 in favor of a white 5 because you think the average white girl is more attractive? Seems a bit silly. I don’t think that too many biologists believe in group selection anymore, at least not in the forms of the late 19th and early 20th centures. People date and fuck individuals, not races, and ultimatley, even if we believe in things like races and nations, we are individuals. This applies to IQ too. If one wants to say that blacks, or any ohter group, are inferior because their average IQ is lower, then they would have to call people who have lower IQs than others on an individual level inferior too. This would mean that your average Stormfronter is inferior to Barack Obama. Have fun getting them to admit that. I can find women of other races attractive and not hate white women. (Not dating someone for ethnic solidarity reasons is different that not dating them for racial reasons.) The truth is that a lot of white women are fat. Some asians are fat, but not as many. Give asians a generation or two in the fat ass USA and they will be fat asses to. I’ve already seen some.

          And, before any one asks, I am not dating, nor have I ever dated, an asian girl.

        23. The idea that white men don’t find white women desirable seems kind of silly.

          A bit of a strawman. I said that MANY white men (and by many white men, I am specifically referring to those who date yellow).

          Trust me, I know that white men ultimately desire white women, on average. Heck, I wouldn’t be here if not for that fact!

          People date and fuck individuals, not races, and ultimatley, even if we believe in things like races and nations, we are individuals.

          Don’t get me wrong, Wade, I know that. And yes, those Asian CRT blogs that think all/most WM/AF relationships reflect some kind of perverted fetish are a bit absurd.

          Still, to completely deny the role race might play is equally suspect.

          Give asians a generation or two in the fat ass USA and they will be fat asses too. I’ve already seen some.

          Lol, same here.

          Like George Orwell’s “Animal Farm,” all Americans are fat, some just fatter than others!

      2. “. Fascism doesn’t have to inlude virulent racism and anti-Semi suff. That’s a MYTH”

        I’ve heard that fascism in Brazil (integralism) was not racist and it wasn’t for a long time in Portugal under Salazar either. I haven’t been able to find much else about the subject, but I came across this a few months ago :
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusotropicalism

        1. Yeah it is, but it is located far from the city. I currently live in St. Louis County and it is a far drive for me. Sorry if the post seemed a little harsh, but the idea of the “knockout game” has really been getting at me lately. I don’t know if they have it where you are, but you should look it up. One black guy just beat a 70 year old asian man to death and then punched his old asian wife in the face so hard her broke her eye socket a couple of months ago. It was a big story here. That is far from the only incidence of this kind. Even in a smaller town about 2 hours from St. Louis has had some problems. This happened in Columbia, MO not too long ago:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROk-29Bv-d0&feature=youtu.be

          Are you from here and where do you live now?

        2. I used to live not too far away in another Midwestern state, but now reside on the East Coast. Sorry for the vagueness.

      3. “New Mexico must be a basket case. Everyone their is either a uneducated illegal immigrant or anchor baby, and alcoholic indian, a cracker rancher, or a government research scientist. Seems like a crazy combination. It a beautiful state though.”

        Don’t forget pretentious artsy types in Santa Fe. New Mexico is too beautiful, they should move the government testing labs to someplace no one cares about like North Dakota.

  3. And yes, REAL fascists would never join the Republican Party.

    Definitely. In fact, James Edwards has gone so far as to say that the Republican Party is in fact liberal when it comes to issues such as race!

    Too much jew-know-who influence.

    Lol, a Jewish Voldemort? 😉

    But it makes them look more like fascists to the Left.

    Yes, to people on the left, white=nazi. Well, white=nazi unless they’re sufficiently “diversified,” or they vote Democrat.

    I think this whole white=racist/nazi is one of the reasons why so many whites hate the left in the first place. Regardless of their actual political views, they’re not going to embrace an ideology that relentlessly demonizes them.

    Rightly or wrongly, the left and the Democratic party are seen as synonymous.

    For many whites, voting for the Democratic party means voting for the party of black activists, Hispanic open border advocates, nutty feminists, flaming gays, and snobby Jews (though many whites are not well acquainted with the Jewish Question).

    1. “I think this whole white=racist/nazi is one of the reasons why so many whites hate the left in the first place.”

      Yeah, it’s hard to believe today, but at one time white southerners were a part of the democratic New Deal Coalition. A lot that occured in the sixties changed that.

    2. Time for a new party? YES! Let’s start one.

      How about an anti-P.C., race realist, pro- U.S. citizen, pro-U.S. worker party that is NOT anti-White?

      We need something else besides “pro-White”, though. Sounds too rayciss.

      Is there anything between “pro-White” and “anti-White”?

      A: NO, Because the P.C. Police has made clear- if you’re not anti-White- you are a racist Nazi homophobe that is worse than Hitler, sir! (Thanks G.G.)

  4. (If you’re there, Lafleur, I’ve always been curious as to how white women view this whole “Yellow Fever” phenomenon. While you always hear Asian men denounce it, I’d be interested to hear a white woman’s perspective on it)

    Yellow fever doesn’t exist on any noticeable level in Michigan, because Asians are only about 2.5% of the population here, so I haven’t given it a lot of thought. I don’t believe in interfering with personal relationship choices. It’s the social engineering and propaganda relating to interracial relationships and immigration that I object to, e.g. Neathergate and Sarko’s “metissage for thee, Italian models for me” speech.

    1. “It’s the social engineering and propaganda relating to interracial relationships and immigration that I object to, e.g. Neathergate and Sarko’s “metissage for thee, Italian models for me” speech.”

      I concur, you know if Tim Wisse and his cousin Phil Weiss had their way, it would be illegal to marry someone of your own race and they would forcibly relocate people all over the country so that every neighborhood would represent a microcosm of the ethnic makeup of the country.

      1. @ GSG

        While Weiss makes good points regarding the Israel lobby and Jewish tribalism, I think he shoots himself in the foot by advocating that Jews marry outside of the tribe.

        It’s one thing to denounce neocons and Israel firsters, but to advocate the complete disappearance of your own tribe, frankly, is nuts.

        And of course, I know that both of them would also make it illegal for white gentiles to marry fellow white gentiles (yes, I know, an exaggeration, especially in light of the fact that comrade Timmy is married to a white woman).

        1. Gay Area Guy
          Do as I say not as I do.

          Phil Weiss purports to offer an alternative Jewish identity than to mainstream zionism, but at the same advocates that jews adopt marry non jews and partake in others’ cultural activities.

        2. Sorry I said disparaging things about shiksas. My comments were aimed more at jewish men like Phil Weiss and Joey Kurtzner, who tout around their non jewish wives as if marrying outside the tribe was some kind of fuckin accomplishment. Given the fact that Phil hasn’t really conveyed who his wive is apart from the fact that she’s a WASP, it’s clear that he sees her as a political tool and not a soulmate.

  5. I forgive your shiksa remarks.

    I have no problem with interracial marriage on an individual level, but it gets so irritating when people (by people, I mainly mean liberals) frequently politicize it and rave about the proliferation of interracial marriages as if it were our collective salvation.

    I also get annoyed with the way mixed kids are often fawned over as attractive, as if we pure bloods aren’t! 😉

    Well, that’s my take on it.

    1. I have no opinion about intermarriage, and find jewish men to be repulsive, but I must say Phil Weiss accomplished something years of indoctrination couldn’t. He made the prospect of in-marriage appealing.

      1. but I must say Phil Weiss accomplished something years of indoctrination couldn’t. He made the prospect of in-marriage appealing.

        Hehe.

        Yeah, a bit similar to how years of multiculturalist indoctrination made me what I am now.

        Whether it’s Weiss or Wise, I think sometimes people just need to lay off. If you try to force feed tolerance to people, there can be a backlash.

    2. I find it interesting that no one here is talking about the real underlying reasons for this miscegenation/exogamy thing in recent times.

      It has to do with unspoken racial hierarchies (that vary from race to race).
      For instance, many races might consider Whites to be a step up in status, maybe even holding them above their own race in status.

      It also has to do with the hierarchy of INDIVIDUALS within each race- i.e. some (top 10% of desirability) are Alphas (male and female) that get anyone/anything they want, pretty much, some are Zetas (bottom 10% of desirability). Zetas have to pretty much take what they can get

      Most (80%) are in the middle- Betas. I would divide Betas into High, Middle, and Low. (Alphas and Zetas could be divided too).

      Most competition is among Betas- they all want an Alpha- of their own race (or start out wanting one), the wise up and set their sights on another Beta- or…maybe an Alpha, or High Beta, of another race.

      Pure Alphas have looks, money, smarts,education, and personality strength/talents. Alot of people have a mix- part Alpha, part Beta (or Zeta).

      For instance, a Low Beta (or High Zeta) White female might be able to attract higher ranking male of another race- Blacks in particulaA lot of

      Beta and Low Beta White dudes have been trolling for “yellowtail” for a long time now, since the Korean War, partly because Asian females consider White dudes a step up, at least in machoness, from their own (sorry Asian dudes!)

      For some reason Black Females are an exception- they don’t line up for non-Black males- no matter how fed up they are with Black dudes (who are the highest on the macho scale). (some will take up w/ a macho, dark Latin type).

      Black dudes universally will cut off their (choose body part) to get with a white chick (‘speshully a hot ‘un!) Why? Ask them!

      Jewish dudes, also, notoriously want the Airhead Viking Cheerleader- to the disgust of Jewesses the world over.

      Historically, Males have been encouraged, or permitted at least, to “marry down”- i.e. a female of lower status, racial or economic. Females, conversely, have always been encouraged to “marry up” in status.

      Alphas, of course, seek out other Alphas. Alpha white dudes, however, are notoriously for “raiding” Beta females- screwing them and then dumping them instantly. They give all white dudes a bad name, and many white females rebel in disgust- choosing to hook up with “ABAWG” (Anything But A White Guy). Ex: White Beta Blondes who hook up with Asian dudes (rare- but it is a phenomena). Much , much more common: Low Beta White chick and (higher ranking) Hispanic dude.

      The Frisco phenom of White Dudes and Asian chicks is a little different- Gay Area Straight Dudes are not very macho, but still like feminine women, and so prefer Asian chicks over White chicks, who are downright masculine in comparison, and who are all looking for Alpha, (or at least macho) White dudes.

      1. Frankly, I don’t one think one can say that 2nd generation Asian males are less masculine than whites. I’ve seen a lot of tall, jocky looking Korean/Chinese in NYC during my college years and I’m 5’9 and broad shouldered.
        In NE Asian countries, the height differences between the younger generation there and those in America, west Europe etc. are not really that visible, which I know since I’ve been there several times before.
        How do you explain Ashkenazi kikes, the most effeminite, hideous looking group of Caucaosids on Earth, marrying hot blondes, such as Woody Allen?

        1. “How do you explain Ashkenazi kikes, the most effeminite, hideous looking group of Caucaosids on Earth, marrying hot blondes, such as Woody Allen?”

          Money.

        2. Exactly Wade. Which is why I find it ironic that a group of sloping foreheaded, hook nosed, curly haired beady eyed mutant-looking maggots insult Asian males in their media.

        3. sloping foreheaded, hook nosed, curly haired beady eyed mutant-looking maggots

          Hehe.

          The thing is, while I wouldn’t say I have yellow fever, I definitely find many Asian girls attractive. The same cannot be said for Jewish girls (sorry GSG).

          I don’t know, there’s just something about the Ashkenazi Jewish phenotype that’s a major turn-off. Maybe it’s the weird combination of white European and Middle Eastern looks (sorry Cyrus, if you’re still there), the noses, or perhaps the vibes that JAP’s give off makes them appear uglier than they are.

          There are definitely some Jewish girls that are attractive. Israel models Bar Refaeli and Esti Ginzburg come to mind. Ditto for Natalie Portman.

          (though I’m sure Refaeli dyes her hair. Don’t know about Ginzburg)

        4. Hey, U.J.! Knew I’d get a hit from you with that!

          I personally don’t consider Asian males to be less masculine- I am referring to what apparently a lot of (not all) Asian females say.

          Asian females hook up with White dudes for two reasons:

          1) All Asians seem to consider Whites as close to equal in racial ranking (ex.: Jap, Chi, Kor) to Asians, if not slightly higher in status (ex: Philpinas, Viets) relative to their own race.

          2.) Many are attracted to White dudes because they seem more “masculine”: i.e.- bigger, hairier, more assertive, uglier than a typical Asian dude. That’s what they say- not me! (I don’t rate Asian dudes)

          Also, a lot of White American Dudes are 100% fed up with ultra-masculine acting White American Chicks- most are Betas that can’t get a hot WHite chick anyway, so they go for a hot or semi-hot Asian!

          Woody Allen: I don’t think of Mia Farrow or Soon-Yi as “hot blondes”- but yeah- what all Jewish nebbishes want. Can ya blame them? Probably not.

          I grew up attracted to hot blondes- when I realized they weren’t easy to get, I started to be fascinated by Asian chicks (Jap especially). When I got over that “fetish” I started looking at at all chicks- brunettes, reds (scary!).

          Finally decided I prefer white chicks- blonde or brunnete- either one.
          I think other races are attrctive but I don’t feel compelled to go there, really.

        5. @ Mott

          I am curious as to how many WM/AF marriages involve Jewish men, since the places where Asians are most heavily concentrated (S.F. Bay Area, SoCal, and New York) are also places where Jews are the most heavily concentrated.

          I wouldn’t say it’s the majority, since many if not most of the AF/WM relationships/marriages I’ve seen have involved white gentile men.

        6. I don’t think it’s that big of a phenomena- for Jewish men the trophy wife is always the Hot Blonde Shiksa. It’s their way of them telling their Jewish mothers and Jewish women in general, to f*ck off . It’s also a “payback” to Nordics for the you-know-what (H-word).

          It’s also their way of proving that money really can you almost anything- especially a Hot Blonde. (Hot Blonde are not hooking up with Jew guys for their looks, I venture!)

          If Jewish guys are going for Asians, then they either want a more submissive, feminine wife, or they are the Beta type that can’t get the Blonde anyway. (A Jewish guy I know who is very challnged in the looks/personality dept. moved to the Phillipines recently)

          Most White dudes I see with Asians are service members (not Jews!) and Beta-types who couldn’t get a good-looking white chick- they don’t have the money or personality or looks. Most Jews have the $$, and most have, er, forceful personalities that shiksas eat right up.

        7. “The same cannot be said for Jewish girls (sorry GSG).”

          I’m not offended by that. I tend to find Ashkenazi men to be repulsive. I don’t think all jewish women are as stereotypically jappy as Hollywood Jewish men like to portay them but JAPitude can definately be a big turn off. I am moderately attractive, and better endowed then your typical Asian women. My sister is drop dead gorgeous but acts more jappy then I do so I think I’m a better catch:) There are many jewish girls with typical Ashkenazi phenotypes who many considered attractive such as Rachel Weisz. Jewish women were considered attractive in 19th century europe and gentile men would request jewish prostitutes.

          I have seen many ugly Asian women. An example being Priscilla Chan. Zuck could get any hot model he wanted, so why did he settle for her.

        8. Don’t like JAPs?

          Well too bad because Phil Weiss wants to force one on you, especially if your WASP side is lined with aristocrats.

  6. BAG: I knew a lot of hot Jewish girls in college, but they were almost universally far from the typical Jewish phenotype and you didn’t find out they were Jewish until it became clear they were unfamiliar with Christmas traditions or something like that. Then there were others who merged into the general Mediterranean phenotype.

    Also, hybridization between normal white people and Jews produces some good specimens.

  7. For some reason I’ve noticed that most of the Jews in the media, etc. who become known for being more or less professional Jews all fit into the less attractive phenotypes (Abe Foxman, Woody Allen, etc.). You would think if they were really interested in creating a better impression, they’d put some of the others forward.

    1. They are out there but they aren’t as entertaining or colorful. Ron Brownstein is a sharp journalist out of CA, but no one is going to go apeshit over an LA Times reporter who does sober political analysis on tv from time to time. Naomi Klein is one of the most distinguished minds in North America. It goes on and on. But Jews tend to be in brainy fields that don’t make them pop out at you personally. They still have a hard time getting elected to high office. But they are a visible target for criticism and praise to the extent that they are successful and influential.

    2. Like you said, the more attractive Jews tend to be half -Jews (Goldie Hawn, Paul Newman), or ones that exhibit more of a Med phenotype- not looking particularly Jewish (Natalie Portman). There are hot ones that also look Jewish, but they are more uncommon.

      I think it is due to (Ashkenazi) Jews selecting for intelligence more than for looks.

      I find Jewish women attractive in that they are intelligent, educated and progressive politically (most are are into the Arts, too). But most are not very physically attractive. There are some cute ones- younger ones, usually. I’ve know a couple of “hot” ones.

      I had a professor last semester that was 100% Israeli and he was a physically fit, handsome dude (straight up IDF type). But I bet 100 bucks he looks like Alan Dershowitz by the time he gets into his fifties!
      My best friend’s wife is the homliest creature, and has the pushy, annoying, domineeing JAPpy thing, is into spending money, etc. But she’s smart and makes good money.

      1. “Like you said, the more attractive Jews tend to be half -Jews (Goldie Hawn, Paul Newman), or ones that exhibit more of a Med phenotype- not looking particularly Jewish (Natalie Portman). There are hot ones that also look Jewish, but they are more uncommon”

        Maybe it has something to do with the fact that smart jewish girls consider primping to be time consuming and would prefer to spend their time on more worthy activities.

        Norman Finkelstein is one such half jew, but a special kind. His mom was a kapo and his daddy was Nazi.

        1. @ GSG There is a war going on between Black males and Females!

          And yeah, most white girls that get with blacks are “rebelling”. Which is probably not a good reason!

        2. Pastor Manning advises Black women to find themselves white men because black men are irresponsible.

        3. GSG: That could only be true about Norman Finkelstein if there were still Nazi camps in 1953. He may not be your kind of Jew, but he’s 100% kosher unless you adhere to some kind of crazy birther narrative about him.

        4. Matt
          She had a reunion with an old flame.

          Nah I was just kidding. I don’t mind Norman so much actually, since I never heard him fawn over the Palestinians.

      2. @mott
        I don’t know what the hell those Asian women are on. I’ve never been to the west coast, all I know is what I’ve seen in NYC and the surrounding east coast areas, and I haven’t seen many Asian women with white guys, even in a cosmopolitan university setting. And like I said, the 2nd generation Asian males are no longer look like that guy from Sixteen Candles. Do you consider 5’9 short, for instance? Me thinks those Asian women have some, “lacking” qualities that lead to such behavior and rationalizations.
        Asian men are socioeconomically equal or slightly higher than whites, since jews who are counted as white. With China rising, and the Judaicized Anglo nations rapidly sinking into the turd bowl, the trajectory of the Mongoloid race is looking pretty good.

        1. There are not tons of Asian women with white guys- but it is pretty common here in California. There is nothing wrong with these women- some married an American service guy they met overseas (free ticket to U.S.).

          Some just seem to prefer White dudes to their own- for the same reason Jewish men prefer non-Jewish women- they are rebelling against Ma/Grandma telling then to marry someone who’s “one of us”- plus they may have had bad experiences with the opposite sex of their own race , This is very common.

          Asian dudes should mellow out about this. When I see a white chick (aka “mud shark” or “bottom feeder”) with a Black dude I just laugh and say “whatever” for her and “good job” to the Black dude- he has scored the Holy Grail for Black dudes. She doesn’t like White guys anyways, so no loss.

          2nd Generation Asians are looking more American because they’re eating American food- but they are still less macho than Blacks, Hispanics, or most Whites.

          The most effeminate men in the world are the English, followed by neutered Americans and Canadians. And I’m English, mostly. It’s not a terrible thing to be less macho, than a dumb Spic, say, or less chauvanistic than a Black guy.

          You Asian dudes are paranoid!

          BTW- do you have a sister? KIDDING!

        2. @Mott
          I screwed around with big black guys when I was younger, mostly to rebel, be “bad,” and I’ve since moved on, but I do remember those stares black women used to give.

  8. Look mott, I see you’re not trying to insult me, so I’ll be cool about it.
    I’ve never been to Cali, so I don’t know about it there, but here in the East Coast, I haven’t seen too many native born Asian guys who look less “macho” compared to whites. Hispanics? Many Mexicans are shorter than many Asians, and are little brown Amerindians, so what the hell are you
    talking about? Negros? Don’t really care either way about them. They are a non-factor race who I only think about when I read about one of their wild shenanigans on the news.

    1. You’re confusing two things: 1) It’s not White (or other) dudes that consider Asian dudes “less macho”- it’s chicks in general. And that’s not a bad thing, per se, either.

      Also, 2) “Macho” or “Machismo” is different than “masculine-ness”, “manly-ness”, like physical size, hairiness, craggy features, etc.

      Hispanics have a machismo culture that is fucked up- if you’re a women. It has nothing to do with height, size or hariness. Black men mistreat women even more, notoriously. That’s macismo/chauvinist b.s. Arabs do it too, but I wouldn’t say they are “more manly” because of it.

      Asians think White dudes look like ugly cavemen- some prefer it to their own. Not a big deal.

      If I was an Asian, I’d marry one of my own – or move to the Pacific Northwest (S.F. north)- there’s a lot of white girls that like Asian dudes up dere!

      1. @mott
        I get you’re point. By the way, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with how Arabs deal with their women.

        1. Here’s something that should reassure you, U.J. My brother married a Vietnamese. She had a Vietnamese 1st husband who was a macho bastard and followed that with a 2nd husband- an Arab who was also a macho jackass. She married my brother because he’s big, hairy, ugly, and is a total wimp/pushover- she wears the pants!

          Some Asian chicks complain that Asian dudes are too chauvinistic/abusive/domineering. They find the wimpy white guys more compliant.

        2. Asians think White dudes look like ugly cavemen- some prefer it to their own. Not a big deal.

          Interesting.

          The only people I’ve heard say that whites are cavemen are those black nationalist types like Ice Cube (well, at least the Ice Cube from the early 90s, before he went into the little kid movie business).

          Also, if Asian women think that white men look like ugly cavemen, but STILL go for them, what does that say about Asian women?

          (BTW, I don’t think that’s the case. In fact, many of the white males I’ve seen with Asian women tend to be those clean shaven, boyish looking types, with little in terms of facial hair or physical toughness)

        3. Some Asian chicks complain that Asian dudes are too chauvinistic/abusive/domineering. They find the wimpy white guys more compliant.

          Which is interesting, because the popular stereotype of those relationships is that it’s the white men who go for Asian women because they see THEM as being more docile and compliant.

          Hmmm….

          I guess both parties don’t like assertive mates.

        4. @ BAG- Yeah, I’m saying there are different reasons why people are “R.T.”s. (that’s “race traitors” LOL)

          Some, Asian chicks like white guys because of their appearance- more “manly” or caveman-ish. Often, though, it is the white softie-types that go for Asian chicks.

          That’s the difference- there is “manly” appearance on the one hand- macho demeanor is a separate, cultural issue. Black women, for instance, and Hispanics, prefer guys with a machismo attitude.

  9. Uncle Joe
    Breed your own fuckin women and allow them be born and then there will be a bigger pool for you to choose from.

    1. Ya gotta admit it, tough, Uncle Joe- that was a good zinger from GSG!

      The Chinese (and the Indians) might want to think about letting some of their women live beyond fetushood/infancy!

  10. Unfortunately, more and more people like Krugman are coming out of the woodwork, and just like termites, are infesting and trying to ruin this great country.

    1. Or maybe you can go suck David Cokes dick some more! Go ruin your mouth buddy, suck that rich dick hard like it has oil in it. Make sure to hoard extra gold and machine guns under your bed this year. We are coming for you this time. Booooooooooo.

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