Are We In a Pre-Fascist Era?

Via commenter Bernardo Carpio:

I’ve recently been reading a lot about Hitler and his rise to power in the 1930’s. I really hope I’m wrong (especially since I’ve got a brother and a sister, and numerous other relatives in the US) but I have a gut feel that what you are going through in the USA today is what the Germans were going through during the Weimar Republic in the late 20’s and early 30’s, before Hitler took over.

An aggressive, determined, fanatical, irrational right wing. A reactionary middle class. A defeated working class. A persistently depressed economy and massive unemployment. Spineless leaders on the so-called left (right wing social democrats in the case of Germany, 99% of Democrats in the case of the US). The conditions appear ripe for the emergence of a Great Leader, and a full fledged fascist state. God help us all!

Interestingly, every single one of his comments is absolutely correct. Let us look at them one by one:

1. An aggressive, determined, fanatical, irrational right wing. This is an excellent description of the US Republican Party, and this craziness has been going on since 1980.

2. A reactionary middle class. Indeed, it was the middle class who supported the Nazis. The workers never did. The Tea Party movement, a very reactionary movement, is indeed a movement of middle class Whites.

3. A defeated working class. Yes, the US working class is indeed defeated. That is an excellent way to look at them. They are also very confused, and in many cases, they are out and out reactionary. The White working class voted for the reactionary John McCain by 30 points. Why?

4. A persistently depressed economy and massive unemployment. This is exactly what is going on, and neither party will do anything to make things better. In fact, both parties are doubling down to wreck the economy as much as possible, which is insane. Why? Ideology.

5. Spineless leaders on the so-called left (right wing social democrats in the case of Germany, 99% of Democrats in the case of the US). It’s probably best to call the left spineless rather than actually reactionary, although their behavior is reactionary. It seems that the left is terrified of the US Right and just continuously capitulates to them. And the Republicans keep pushing Obama further and further to the Right, and he caves in more to them constantly. He never stands his ground on anything, all he does is cave, and he always caves to the right, never to the left.

As far as whether this will lead to actual fascism, it is hard to say. It is not proper to call the Republican Party fascist per se as I did in my last post, however they do have fascist tendencies. The most glaring fascist tendency is their undemocratic nature.

Repeatedly shutting town the government, create a climate of hate in which threats to government officials have skyrocketed, investigating a President’s sex life, accusing a President of murder, trying to impeach a President on blatantly corrupt charges, repeatedly engaging in false investigations of the President’s administration, stealing two elections, one via a corrupt Supreme Court and another via corrupt voting machines, using corrupt corporations to install crooked voting machines across the land in order to steal more elections, disenfranchising millions of voters, using gangs of thugs to raid election halls to prevent ballots from being counted.

Those are all actions that speak of a far rightwing party that hates democracy. Far rightwing, antidemocratic parties are typically called fascist.

Whether the Republican Party is fascist at the moment is hard to say. Maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt as Carpio says and call it a pre-fascist movement. In a similar way, we can go easy on the Tea Party Movement and call them a very reactionary movement of the middle class. However, historically, these types of movements have led to fascism in many cases.

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0 thoughts on “Are We In a Pre-Fascist Era?”

  1. Some reasonable analogies, but the most likely implementation is going to be dis-employing Mexicans so they re-patriate. Since Mexico isn’t gulag, this wouldn’t be an immoral holocaust.

    America’s biggest problems right now are the jobs crisis among the working class, and government balance sheets. Nothing that can’t be solved by getting rid of ten million high school dropouts (and their non-performing kids).

    1. If only Brezezinski had as much power as you generously assign to him. I’d love it he were not only the real SOS but POTUS too. Illuminati I tell ya. But alas, Robert is at least partially correct. Rightwingism with its complicit moderate-ism and capitulating opposition is dragging down the US and by proxy, the world. The idea that a dynamic leader is gonna come in and rev our lazy assess all up into a political frenzy on par with WWII Germany is not an American thing. It’s just that, German, but it’s not in our DNA. When we had the Great Depression we got Franklin Roosevelt. If a depression were to incur now out of this debt ceiling business, we’d have a deficit of leadership in that there’s no FDR waiting in the wings, but it would put the ideological goons out of business for good, albeit too late. Nah, I’m more afraid of a societal breakdown type of thing. The underclass component is already ripe for anarchic conditions – New Orleans post Katrina was a trial run of that – no doubt, the United Thugs of America will pick up where that left off. Thugs I tell ya.

      1. @Justin

        Yes I am sure it is a coincidence that he and his family members just happen to be in prominent position directing US foreign policy in Europe since the late 60’s irrespective of wither it is the Democratic or Republican party in power and accurately predicted things that have come to fruition in his books.

        Fact that he is Obama’s senior foreign policy advisor is of no significance what so ever is it?

        And I did not write that he created the technocratic era he just accurately predicted with insider knowledge and government connections the direction of which society would take.

        Well the US is a facist state surpassing what the Nazis did in Yugoslavia killing millions in the post Cold war period in Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Russia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and the genocide of their southern neighbour in Mexico since the 80’s.

        If the US were to become a facist/Nazi state it might be an improvement which is impossible because it is a multi-cultural society.

  2. Our immediate problems are a jobs crisis among the working class and poor government balance sheets. Other than the effect of stupid wars on the latter (a reaction to 9/11 over-patriotism), the largest cause is illegal immigrants. Fortunately, Mexico is not a gulag, so dis-employing them so they re-patriate would not be a holocaust.

  3. I fear you may be right about this unfortunately; although I think the true culprit for this potential fascism is cultural leftism. The way I think of Nazism/fascism is right wing nihilism as a reaction against left wing nihilism.

    The real thing that’s going to piss of the ordinary folks (especially the working class) is the continued “in your face!” homosexual promotionism. What with Obama’s recent LGBT youth summit, end of DADT, NY and other states’ gay marriage support, gay adoption, not to mention relentless Hollywood in your face homosexual promotion– it’s only a matter of time before regular people (including Blacks, Hispanics, Asians) get really fed up.

    I don’t predict Fascism until things get really, really homofied.

    This of course is not all there is to it– the real issue is cultural nihilism as a whole– and a more important piece of that is the painful and seemingly intractable anarchic battle of the (heterosexual) sexes that keeps degenerating further and further into fanatic misogynist/misandrist mania, hookup culture, bitterness, divorce, sexual obsessiveness etc.

    see:

    [url=http://www.ukapologetics.net/weimar.html]Worrying Parallels Between the Weimar Republic and Modern Western Society[/url]

    “Feminine ‘Freedoms’ – Moral Corruption – Immoral Entertainment – Homosexual and Lesbian Openess – Weakened Police Authority”

    This article is worth reading:

    [url=http://www.qrd.org/qrd/culture/1995/gay.culture.flourished.prenazi.germany-10.95]Gay Culture Flourished in Pre-Nazi Germany[/url]

    “The devastation of the war caused the German
    people to reexamine their national values, including sexual
    values. Greater tolerance emerged for sexual variations and
    expression and it was during the 1920s that mainstream Gay life
    came out of the closet, out of the shadows of fear. No longer was
    Gay society limited to the intellectual elite. Gay bars and clubs
    opened in major German cities, creating coherent Gay
    neighborhoods. The numbers of Gay male periodicals soared.
    [b]Historian Frank Rector estimates that there were more Gay bars
    and periodicals in 1920 Berlin, the capital of Gay Germany, than
    there were in 1980 New York.[/b]”

    “…The success and openness of German Gays during the 1920s
    ultimately hurt them. The Berlin that was synonymous with Gay
    culture was the same city that was synonymous with government
    corruption and ineptitude.”

    Welcome to Sodom and Gaymerica– Nazi/Fascism is just the modern version of fire and sulfur raining down from the sky.

    1. ALL OF YOU need to stop with the homophobia. It just makes you look stupid. I don’t care about gays, and neither should anyone else. I don’t like some of their in your face stuff, but it’s no skin off my nose- THEY ARE A NON-ISSUE. This issue has NOTHING to do with politics or economics.

      Religious idiots and secular idiots who focus on this make it look like they are insecure about something…like their own heterosexuality.
      They (gays) have been around forever- they’re not going away- MOVE ON AND GROW UP!

      1. I don’t care about gays, and neither should anyone else. I don’t like some of their in your face stuff, but it’s no skin off my nose- THEY ARE A NON-ISSUE. This issue has NOTHING to do with politics or economics

        Wonderful. Now go and tell that to the organized left.

        1. Yeah, I’m sick of hearing about them. Maybe if they get their queer marriage they will shut up.The issue is stupid distraction/diversion.

  4. I fear you may be right about this unfortunately; although I think the true culprit for this potential fascism is cultural leftism. The way I think of Nazism/fascism is right wing nihilism as a reaction against left wing nihilism.

    The real thing that’s going to piss of the ordinary folks (especially the working class) is the continued “in your face!” homosexual promotionism. What with Obama’s recent LGBT youth summit, end of DADT, NY and other states’ gay marriage support, gay adoption, not to mention relentless Hollywood in your face homosexual promotion– it’s only a matter of time before regular people (including Blacks, Hispanics, Asians) get really fed up.

    Co-sign!

    The way I see it, as Wade one pointed, many whites support the Republicans not so much because they endorse many of their policies, but simply to spite those self-righteous cultural leftists.

    But anyway, as much as I despise the Republican party, I think it’s a bit silly to call them fascists, or even pre-fascists. Just like the right has an annoying tendency to call everyone on the left “Communist,” the left has an equally irritating tendency to call everyone on the right “Fascist.”

    Besides, real people on the far right like James Edwards are insulted by such comparisons to the Tea Party.

    http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/category/tea-party-movement/

  5. Agree, Bay State. Cultural leftism is quite sufficient all by itself to explain why people vote Republican. Just like a lot of people voted Democratic after the Civil War because of Republican authoritarianism, not for any particular virtue they saw in Democrats. Also, “Fascist” is far too narrow a term to apply to any of these so-called right-wingers. More meaningful to say that we’re headed towards Caesarism. We’ve been working up to that for awhile. Trick is to get a good Caesar, one who understands the limits of power and knows how not to suppress people’s energy and creativity. And who would rather preserve the country than wreck it, like our last few pipsqueak proto-Caesars.

    1. Gay Area Guy
      Gay rights groups argue that Obama has not provided enough support for them. His election coincided with the passing of proposition 8 and he selected Pastor Rick Warren to pray at his inauguration.

  6. The real thing that’s going to piss of the ordinary folks (especially the working class) is the continued “in your face!” homosexual promotionism.

    If nothing else, if they’re going to create a sort of nationalism based on their sexual tastes of all things, and lobby incessantly in favor of it, who are they to tell anyone else that they can’t organize in their group interests?

    You want to play identity politics? Fine, let’s all play identity politics.

    Gnome sane?

  7. Obviously, there are essential differences between Weimar Germany and the US in 2011. The Tea Party is libertarian (for now), the Nazis more “socialist” when it comes to economic policy, just as one example. What strikes me as similar is the seeming helplessness in the face of economic stagnation and decline. The persistence on pushing “supply side” economic policies, e.g. tax and budget cuts, deregulation, etc., that clearly will not prevent the economy from going into a double dip recession and eventual long term decline, which will cause even more suffering on the part of the middle and working classes.

    From an extreme right-winger’s viewpoint, there may eventually remain two stark choices: persist in pursuing libertarian economic policies, and prevent the impoverished hordes from revolting by installing a Third World-type “fascist” police state, or provide economic security and some level of prosperity to a majority of the population via a Nazi-type regime implementing some “socialist” measures while largely preserving the privileges of the current economic elite.

    It should be noted that in the face of the communist threat, Hitler received massive funds from German tycoons (Krupp, Thyssen (initially), etc.) and was prodded to demolish the more overtly anti-capitalist segments of the Nazi party, exemplified by the SA brown shirts.

  8. 2. A reactionary middle class. Indeed, it was the middle class who supported the Nazis. The workers never did. –RL–

    ===

    The workers never did. –RL– WRONG! Under Mr Hitler’s leadership Germany went from a dirt poor country to the most prosperous and advanced industrialized country in the world. When the american workers was begging for food in the street, the german worker could get any job they wanted.

    Mr Hitler’s domestic politic and the welfare system in Hitler Germany was way, way ahead what you in America had.

    Weimar Germany was just like America is today 2o11, a jew run shithole.

    Hoff

    1. “Weimar Germany was just like America is today 2o11, a jew run shithole.”

      I don’t think the US is as bad as WG yet although the real crash has not happened yet.

      When the bank heads start taking extended trips to Israel and the UK and start ramping up the false flag terror info retrieved from Bin Ladin’s hard drives from zombie Bin Ladin then I would start to worry.

  9. There is no such thing as left this and right that. That is all jew spinned jew bullshit for retarded non-jews. ln the jew world there is only jews, jews and more jews and their stupid non-jew´useful idiots. All the rest is to the jews just a big bunch of nazis. The jew bullshit word “antisemite” means NAZI. And all NAZIS are enemies of the jews.

    To the jews America is nothing but the jews private army for jew world conquest.

  10. Looks like the Brzezinski plan is coming into effect to prepare to launch war against Russia and Eurasia with the take down of the most prominent Neocon news network Fox News that Rothschild agent Soros proclaimed he would through his media apparatus with the latest scandal in the UK was revealed back in March.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrJJUQAAIG8

    1. John, you should catchup on some X Files dvd’s … you’d love “The Syndicate” – I’m sure the “Cigarette Smoking Man” and “Well Manicured Man” are styled after Brzezinski.

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