Is the "White" IQ So Superior?

Repost from the old site. I confess that I love to beat up White nationalists, or for that matter ethnic nationalists of any sort (this is why I verbally eviscerate Zionists – they are nothing but the Jewish equivalent of White Nationalists). There is nothing like nationalism, not to mention the super brain-killer of ethnic nationalism, to turn a smart person’s brain to useless mush. The problem is that beating up on WN’s is cruel. It’s like slapping a retarded person and ridiculing them in public. So I feel kind of guilty when I do it. For a look at what a nightmare the White Nationalist movement is, and what a racist horror it represents, check out the sanest, most moderate outlier of the movement, American Renaissance. I hang out there a lot, and post lots of comments, when they do not get deleted, which is 7 I post mostly on illegal aliens, which is all I care about race-wise, as I am utterly indifferent to the “Black problem”, anti-immigration xenophobia, Islamophobia, and all their other crazy obsessions. This is a good, frightening post to get you started. It is a common, and fairly disgusting, White Nationalist argument that Whites are superior to all other groups in IQ, with the exception of NE Asians. WN’s typically define Whites as Europeans, but no one quite knows where to draw the line there. For instance, many White Nationalists are so insane that they say Southern Europeans such as Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians and Greeks, and Balkans such as Macedonians, Serbians, Albanians, Croats and Bosnians, and West Eurasians such as Armenians, Ashkenazi Jews, Georgians, Caucasians and Turks, and Middle Easterners such as Iranians, Kurds and Assyrians, are not White. Most of these groups are clearly White. There is a bit of a question when it comes to Iranians, Kurds, Turks and Assyrians, but most of these groups are White by any sane definition. So WN’s like to crow about how they are smarter than just about everyone else on the Earth. It follows that letting in anyone from any of the stupid races or ethnic groups to a White country is going to pollute the gene pool, result in growing stupidity, an inability to think and compete and a declining standard of living. I do think that they have a point, and I am not opposed to IQ tests for prospective immigrants other than spouses of Americans. Where I object is to the typical WN insanity of labeling entire races and ethnic groups as idiots who should not be allowed to set one foot on our soil. First of all, Western culture is good for IQ, independent of genes. This alone should throw a serious monkey wrench into WN crap about intellectually inferior races being banned from immigrating to White countries. Look: Everyone knows that the East Indian IQ in Europe is 96 (Lynn 2005), and it’s 81.5-83 in India and Pakistan. Merely living in an improved Western environment raised it 14 pts. Jamaicans raise their IQ’s from 71 to 85 within one generation of living in the UK – 14 points. Most sane people think selective immigration could have only raised either of those scores only a few points. Even if we grant 3 IQ points for selective immigration, we still get an 11 rise for both E. Indians and Jamaicans just for a Western environment. Even Moroccans raise their IQs from 84-89 (5 points) within a generation of living in Holland, and there was probably no selective immigration there at all, as the Europeans were just looking for manual labor. 73 IQ US Negro Blacks (taking a base African Black IQ of 67, adding in 17. Much of the Black raise has occurred since 1920. Everyone except WN lunatics Richard Lynn, except as noted.

US Hispanics   89
Croatia        90
Bosnia         90
Albania        90
Maori          90
Serbia         91
Cyprus         91.5
Chile          91.5 1
Greece         92
Macedonia      92.5
Ireland        93
Bulgaria       93
Armenia        93.5
Georgia        93.5
Israel         94
Romania        94
Argentina      94.5 2
Portugal       95
Slovenia       95.5
Moldova        95.5
Uruguay        96 3
Slovakia       96
Malta          96
Russia         96.5
Belarus        96.5
Ukraine        96.5
Spain          97.5
Czech Republic 97.5
US             98
Australia      98
Finland        98
Canada         98
France         98
Denmark        98
Andorra        98
Estonia        98
Hungary        98.5
Norway         99
Poland         99
Belgium        99.5
Iceland        99.5
Vietnam        99.5 4
Sweden         100
UK             100
Germany        100
Luxembourg     100.5
Netherlands    101
Austria        101
Switzerland    101
Italy          102

Notes

1. “Inferior” Chilean Mestizos beat four White groups, tie one. 2. “Inferior” Argentine Mestizos beat 13 White groups. 3. “Inferior” Uruguayan Mestizos beat 16 White groups, tie two. 4. “Inferior” Vietnamese beat 34 White groups, lose to eight, tie two.

References

Lynn, Richard. (January 2005). Business Today. Smith, Douglas K., Wessels, Richard A., Riebel, Emily M. August 1997. Use of the WISC-III and K-BIT with Hmong Students. School Psychology Training Program University of Wisconsin-River Falls. Paper presented at Annual Meeting of the American Psychological Association, Chicago, IL.
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263 thoughts on “Is the "White" IQ So Superior?”

  1. Lindsay, this is kind of OT but you seem obsessed with IQs. I spent a decent portion of my childhood being talked down to, babied by teachers, nurtured and therapists. I was essentially led to believe I was retarded and I did not enjoy it. Fortunately for me, my parents provided intellectual stimulation for me at home so my IQ scores were not affected. But do you think if you put someone with an average to above average IQ and treat them as if they were retarded (constantly baby them, do not use big words, do not provide intellectual stimulation) from the day they were born, their overall IQ scores would be affected. (I just wanted to see if I have a good case for a frivolous lawsuit against the school. I know I have one against the hospital in which I was born and of course against my child psychiatrist who behaved irresponsibly.)

  2. WN talk about IQ so much because the Diversitarians argue that outcome disparities are prima facie proof of oppression or their legacies. The DVians say that the 72% fatherlessness rate is a “legacy of slavery” (that somehow laid dormant for a century before becoming manifest after civil rights). If anyone suggests that it’s culture, the argument just gets set back one step that the legacies are driving the culture.
    There’s a belief among the DVians that America should have an equal place for everyone, and if anyone hasn’t found it yet, that’s the fault of society for not making one for them. So if a Soldier of Allah tries to blow something up, a ghetto kids kills someone in drug deal, a child of illegal immigrants drops out of school or a gay gets AIDS, then America has to share the responsibility for their failure to live the American Dream.
    Many conservatives believe that those individuals are simply not paying the price of what it takes to be an American. If the Left wouldn’t make the argument that the correlations of demographics with socio-economic status proves the need and justification for DV initiatives, then WN wouldn’t have to use IQ as the alternative explanation.

  3. Barring people from discussing and being able to think out loud about racial differences has been a bad thing for all whites for it has led to jingoism and unrealistic, partisan views on the subject.
    Let’s just look at the history of the “great white race”, say from the time of Alexander the Great which was notable for expansion Eastwards. An event which turns out to be unusual because for the next 1500yrs the history of the race is one of defeat and retreat.
    The massive territorial gains resulting from the empires of Portugal, Spain France and Gt Britain, seem to have produced in whites a collective amnesia of a very frail and fragile Europe of some 700yrs ago. Now think on that.If you were white then, you inhabited a TINY Part of the Globe, and you were on the verge of being snuffed out or enslaved by a variety of technologically superior and MORE AGGRESSIVE Orientals. Think too on where the majority of whites were located…. in the swampy German forests, the wet windy wintry northern part of Europe… the least desirable areas of that very small continent. Only when pinned down with their backs to the wall, or should that be the Atlantic, did they organise and fight back… and won(for a change). The Mongols had got as far east as Kracow(Poland). 40,000 European knights were slaughtered on the plains of Hungary(interesting name? Hun…gary Geddit?). Austria(Ostmark, Eastern garrison, Eastern march).
    Read all about it and like me, you might find the idea of white supremacy rather appealing. Sure sounds a lot better than a life of slavery . Males were castrated and women…well you know the rest. And by the by, I don’t see much supremacy there. Looks more like mere survival to me.
    Of course no rational person believes that that or something like it could happen nowadays. Really? I just wish I could be sure of that.
    Getting back to IQ, personally I don’t think it is a big factor in evaluating races, whereas the ability to wage war and defend, is…. and ANY factor that plays a part in that process, is important…… and there are many.. too many to discuss here.
    Summing up(I can’t say all I would like to say), the white man , like all races has advantages and disadvantages.
    His good point is that he has forged a good living out of inhospitable terrain, like few other races, because of an inclination to technology(possibly related to IQ). His weak points are that he is a poor breeder and unaggressive… something to ponder as the %age of whites in the USA drops with every decade. History repeating itself. I hope you find a Charles Martell, a Themistocles, a Leonidas, a Charlemagne, a Vlad the Impaler or a John Sobieski in time, or else it’s a life in the Canadian tundra for your descendants, or a life of domination by your erstwhile slaves.
    Post script for young readers. Never take advice on survival from a post-war baby boomer. Well you wouldn’t ask a Dodo for advice on survival, would you?

  4. Europe is in no way inhospitable terrain. It is thronged by peoples who are categorically disorganized and weak, it is incredible fertile and littered with natural fortifications, it is temperate, and is positioned closest to the New Worlds as well as the bulk of the world’s non-Euro population (Mid East, India) for technology transfer and trade.
    East Asia on the other hand, is freezing, dry, generally deprived of a shore line, hemmed in by the Himalayas and the endless pacific, the weather is brutal and unpredictable in the North of China, the South is malarial and prone to monsoons and hurricanes, the Southwest faces frequent quakes, Japan is located on a string of volcanic islands, Manchuria, Mongolia and Tibet are essentially all frigid desert. There are also next to no natural resources (save rare earths). East Asia as a whole is perhaps the most isolated, resource poor and disaster prone region in the inhabited parts of the world.

  5. Not to mention that, due in part to sheer luck and in part due to the aforementioned factors, the species of animals/plants of the region had to undergo extensive domestication to make them useful.
    It should be noted that China took leaves, mud and worms (tea, porcelain and silk) and turned said worthless junk into mountains of gold and silver.

  6. Y’know this guy Huaz has got to be, in my opinion, the biggest whining, moaning-minnie jessie of all time.
    A white man (a Scot) comments on the dreadful lot of East Asians as described by Huaz.
    “brutal unpredictable weather of N China”….. Perhaps, then why live there? But whites were headed that way to do just that. The Tocharians.
    “The south is malarial”….. Drain it, then it will be less malarial. Like we showed you.
    “prone to monsoons and hurricanes”……. Dig the drainage ditches and reservoirs. Build stone houses and Bob’s your uncle( that means,” problem solved”).
    “frequent quakes”…… pyramidal-shaped, easily-repaired buildings…what’s the problem?
    “Volcanic islands”……. That’s more difficult. Risk/benefit analysis comes into play here, as it did on Thera and Vesuvius and still does on Etna. Stay with fertile soil, delicious vegetables,grapes and wine or clear off? Your guess is as good as mine on that one.
    “Manchuria, Mongolia and Tibet are all essentially frigid desert”…… True, but again a little bit of irrigation, some imaginative development of the wools and fibres of those cold areas…and who knows? I must say it does sound like awfully hard work. Perhaps forming an army and terrorising the rest of humanity was a better option. Maybe Genghis Khan was right? If you can’t look after yourself on your homeground, then steal other people’s property, kill them and shag their women. Not a wholly uncommendable sentiment, it has to be said. That’s given me an idea…….excuse me, I may be gone for some time.

  7. “Perhaps, then why live there? But whites were headed that way to do just that. The Tocharians.”
    It’s better than the alternative- Mongolia, Tibet, Manchuria, Japan. Please, the Tocharians were not white. They were half-breeds, by the time they reached Western Xinjiang they were 50% mixed with proto-Hunnic or Altaic peoples. And East Asians were everywhere from Northern Scandinavia to the Middle East to Argentina, so no need to flap the gums about any supposed “explorer” race. East Asians beat you by 10,000 years.
    “Drain it, then it will be less malarial. Like we showed you.”
    AHAHAHAHAHA, yes, why don’t we move the Himalayas so the rain is more evenly distributed in East Asia? Drain it… HAHAHAHA!!
    Thanks for the laugh
    “Dig the drainage ditches and reservoirs.”
    It was already done. The thing is, it cost money/time to do it. Whites were permitted to simply sit around picking berries to their heart’s content.
    “pyramidal-shaped, easily-repaired buildings…what’s the problem?”
    The problem is that the only material around to build with is rammed earth and wood, which are labor intensive and flimsy/vulnerable to fire, respectively. Tibet is a different case, they indeed have sufficient stone lying around and thus all of the peoples of the Tibetan plateau build sturdy stone forts and towers which have lasted centuries despite severe seismic risk.
    “True, but again a little bit of irrigation”
    AHAHAHA, yes, lets dig through permafrost and create a canal from Lake Baikal to eight different corners of Mongolia in sub-zero temperatures with no supply lines. This might be possible in 2050, not any time before then. Even decades later it will probably not make any economic sense. And you’re still gonna have to deal with the freezing temperatures and thin air, which is obviously not conducive to plant growth.
    The real answer is to seed the land with aero- and hydroponic greenhouses, not to irrigate the Tibetan plateau… rofl

    1. Thanks Huax,
      That was very enjoyable. I guess some whiteys can’t get enough of being pasted by yellows in academia, they also need their fix on the internet.

  8. Gosh, what a lot of excuses from such a proud and accomplished people.
    As for the Tocharians being half -white. Well you’d have to say that wouldn’t you..
    As for your assertion that Europe was a veritable shangri-la inhabited by lotus eaters. Tell that to the Dutch. They know a thing or two about floods. Almost all of Europe was covered by swampy woodland… which was cleared by magic by a bunch of berry eaters. Really? Yes it’s a shangri -la compared to your continent now… thanks to a lot of hard work. We’re not complaining, but you are.
    Also you had an extensive coast line. What did you do? Did you go to sea, travel the world, meet interesting people and then kill them?
    No, you did damn all… just sat around whining and moaning, getting high on opium. What a shower!
    Nothing to fear form this lot. Like Huax, all hot air, blether and bluster….and lies….and pathetic excuses. Never mind the quality, feel the breadth.
    To hate or to pity….that is the question.

    1. Pre Islamic Arabs in the Arabian peninsula were doing just fine in the harsh desert. Living on dates and milk.Trading with the Romans, Indians, and Chinese before Europeans did. Post Islam saw the spread of the Arabic language all over North Africa and arguably lifted Europe out of the dark ages. Islam reached Indonesia through trade, also in some parts of China. So anytime someone blathers about what will you do without oil, I’m no fortune teller, but our track record might indicate past success predicting future success! Going back to trade? In this modern world its how many multinational corporations you own.

      1. Dark Ages never occurred. No serious modern historian would ever use that term. Even if the “dark ages” happened, then no way a bunch of inbred camel jockeys did anything about it.

  9. Andrew W Lees
    “Well you’d have to say that wouldn’t you..”
    No, you gibbering half-chimp. The international team of geneticists who analyzed Tocharian DNA at the Xiaohe site (earliest attested Tocharian settlement) say so.
    “They know a thing or two about floods.”
    Floods happen in North China. Anything in European history, by comparison, is a tiny little trickle of piss not worth mentioning.
    “Almost all of Europe was covered by swampy woodland”
    No, it wasn’t. If by “almost all of Europe” you mean a tiny piece of North-Central Europe, yes.
    “We’re not complaining, but you are.”
    No one is whining. You’re the one whining about how your women get gangraped by Africans and Muslims as their pleasure, and your young men are packed into prisons getting the shafting of a lifetime by Mexicans and blacks.
    All I’m doing is providing facts and perspective.
    “Also you had an extensive coast line. What did you do? Did you go to sea, travel the world, meet interesting people and then kill them?”
    No, China does not have an extensive coastline. Mongolia and Tibet don’t even have one. Meanwhile, Europe is completely surrounded by abundant sources of fish and trade routes not to mention warm currents and milder air.
    “No, you did damn all… just sat around whining and moaning, getting high on opium. What a shower!”
    China established trade routes that spanned the entire world, but unlike Europeans didn’t start any failed empires. This is why Europe is overrun with former colonial subjects, and is getting reamed by them. The only reason why Europeans ever thought of leaving their Arab and Turk dominated lands is because they dreamed of trading with the Chinese. You only made it out because of the compass and Chinese ship-building technology. And you only had the population to do so because of China’s seed drill and row planting, which in turn you could only use because crossbows and gunpowder put an end to inefficient feudalism.
    You can thank me now, peasant.

    1. Obama is having a state dinner for Hu. Only given to India, Mexico so far. That’s a big black fuck you to Europe (the has been continent) from the US of A. BTW do you Europeans fuckwits know that Europe is not and has never been a continent. ARE YOU FUCKS BLIND?

  10. It seems Andrew Lees is bitter that Judaicized, corrupt, decadent Anglo-Saxon socieites are going down the shitter while Confucian, authoritarian, Mongoloid society (China) is rising like there is no tomorrow. Fuck you pricks. You had your time looting, colonizing, and sucking the blood of Asia for 200 years. Now it’s time to feel the stench of failure and collapse breathing down your neck. On the other hand, I don’t hate all whites. I deeply admire continental European socieities and cultures such as the Russian Empire, German Empire, Austro-Hungarian, USSR, Third Reich. I’ve only despised the maritime imperialist countries in Europe, especially Britain.

    1. Hey Fuckwit, Huax and I were raping small-skulled visual-spatial impaired Lees pretty damn well without you. Did you notice that Lees is pro-continental Europe? That’s right, bandwagon-er. Let the big boys handle the cracker bashing. You step aside and fellate the WNs. (Misdirection play.)

      1. Hey Fuckwit, what have Russia and Germany ever done that was negative for Asia. The USSR helped China industrialize during the 50s and Third Reich wanted extensive trade, military relations with Chiang Kai-Shek before 1937.

        1. Russia annexed all of Eastern Siberia including Outer Manchuria, dismantled and robbed Northeast China’s entire industrial base, commits genocide against Northeast Asian peoples.
          Germany committed atrocities all throughout the North Chinese countryside but the expeditionary force was slaughtered, skinned alive with their hearts torn out of their chests.
          Russia did however help out now and then esp. because America was (and still is) a common enemy.
          Germany is owed a few thousand deaths but then again who isn’t.

    2. “It seems Andrew Lees is bitter that Judaicized, corrupt, decadent Anglo-Saxon socieites are going down the shitter while Confucian, authoritarian, Mongoloid society (China) is rising like there is no tomorrow.”
      This claim is misleading. It is true that China is Industrial and high tech but the majority of educated Chinese are being educated at Western Universities. And for a society that claims to outdo Westerners at their own culture (especially classical music) Chinese have produced and composed relatively little of their own culture in the last century. They just imitate Western culture.

  11. “All I’m doing is providing facts and perspective.”
    Yes incorrect facts and distorted perspective.
    As for your legendary shipbuilding expertise.
    “Sven, I’ve got an idea”
    “What’s that Harald?”
    “Let’s build a boat and go across the North Sea and make a few bob and kick some ass”
    “Good idea, Harald. But how do we build a boat?”
    “Well we go to China and get them to show us how it is done, because these Chinese are terribly, terribly clever. Much cleverer than us Sven. We’re fuckwits, nutjobs in comparison.”
    Then a few hundred years later from half way round the world, the Cutty Sark and Thermopylae race in to Shanghai for your tea…which is too expensive, so we take some plants and grow the stuff in India. Get down on you bended knees Indians, and praise the British for bringing you prosperity.
    No Chinese ships in the port of London. What a bunch of dickheads. intelligent dickheads, but dickheads none the less. A weird sort of intelligence.
    ps your compass wasn’t all that good. Ask any good navigator if the compass is essential to travelling the world. Truth is in many places it’s damn dangerous. Another Chinese fraud.

    1. ““Let’s build a boat and go across the North Sea and make a few bob and kick some ass””
      Yes, lets skid along some ice over a tiny distance, accomplish nothing, and only be heard about when some guys dig up our bones after we get our asses whooped by relatively peaceful Northeast Amerinds.
      “What do we (and by we , I mean my lot, because no Asiatic will ever be a comrade of mine) do about it?”
      Go back to Europe, or roll over and die. Go on and blabber about how you are underestimated as if the rest of the world isn’t coddling you and playing nice thanks to the efforts of your liberals.
      China alone would eviscerate you, throw the Arabs or other East Asians in and you’re done for. Forever.

  12. Fpyp3 @7.36pm,
    Not a bad summary of the situation. I agree with you.
    Next question is…What do we (and by we , I mean my lot, because no Asiatic will ever be a comrade of mine) do about it?

    1. What do we (and by we , I mean my lot, because no Asiatic will ever be a comrade of mine) do about it?
      For starters, we need to start electing intelligent leaders who also have spine.
      See what I posted in the open topic page. Pathetic western leaders like him are part of the problem.

    2. LOL @ the fool asking the fool for clues. Caution: fools about to fellate down below.
      Answer the viking, R2. What you got? Kill the Jeeeuuuws? Sorry, cause that’s been tried already.

  13. @Huax
    When were German troops ever fighting in China? Are you referring to Imperial Germany? And what NE Asian peoples did Russia genocide? I’ll take the Russkies or Krauts over Judaicized Anglo-Saxon scum any day of the week.

    1. Eight Nation Alliance expedition. It was a minor and they got their asses beat but it’s still something.
      Aside from the servility to Anglo-Americans today.

  14. Hitler and the Third Reich sent military advisors to China in the 30s and offered to industrialize China. Look up Sino-German cooperation on Wikipedia. Of course, they later joined hands with Japan after 1937.

  15. @GSG
    The majority of educated Chinese are being educated at the top schools in China. The ones who can’t get into them go to foreign universities. Get your facts straight. And have you ever wondered why Chinese consider the last century the “century of humiliation”? Opium Wars anybody? Started by a fucking kike named David Sassoon. Unequal Treaties, forced to open ports?

    1. China has relatively few universities in proportion to their large population and most of those who study abroad choose to study at Western Universities for prestige and breathing room andcomfort and overall quality of life.
      Secondly the economic impact of the Opium wars could have impacted China’s developement in other areas but not in terms of the arts. Arts (with the exception of Theatre, Cinema) do not require as much funding as scientific or economic advances. You need a new excuse to explain China’s (and the rest of East Asia) lack of Cultural development.

      1. “You need a new excuse to explain China’s (and the rest of East Asia) lack of Cultural development.”
        Don’t know about China, but Korea and Japan have something of a cultural explosion going on. Just not well known outside these countries, but just cause you don’t know doesn’t mean it’s not happening little girl.
        I went to both countries last month. Japan is spectacular. Ikuji fish market (largest in the world), you can buy an extraordinary amount and variety of seafood, fresh right out of the ocean. Unheard of in the US. Went to the top of Tokyo Tower, Tokyo is a spectacular city from above. Nothing like on the planet. Brilliant architecture everywhere with traditional temples and modernized/trad buildings. Safe, incredibly clean air, no traffic jams, efficient subway. Beats New York, beats Chicago, beats L.A. easy. Best restaurants in the world, great food high end and low end.
        And the Japanese are unfailingly polite, like they are all college town folks. So, there you go. I don’t think you realize just much better Tokyo is than LA or Chicago. It’s got a better “feel” than NY for my taste because it still retains a calmness to it. Plus Guiliani also evacuated the poorest NYers and the police micromanage the city. Kinda cheating, don’t you think?
        Lots of stuff happening in Korea, just tons. Cults, Kpop, also indie music, dance scenes, all kinds of religions and cults pursued in a far more tolerant atmosphere than in the US. Very lively place, safe, happy,
        vigorous alcohol nightlife that goes into 6am. Efficient and not micromanaged like here.
        I heard Hong Kong even beats Tokyo for energy and brilliance. You should go to Asia. It’s amazing.

        1. Hacienda
          I was referring specifically to China. If you consider taking young children away from their parents and training them to become Olympic gymnasts or Cirque de Soleil acrobats to be a great Cultural Advancement…
          But you bring up the Korean and Japanese cultural explosions. I don’t know much about Jpop and Kpop (I heard Underneath the Flame by H20 and the stuff you posted a while back.) so I won’t judge but what little I have heard of it is written in and performed English. Wouldn’t it be better to use your own languages so that you can romanticize your culture in the eyes of westerners and not pander to them.
          Of all the Asian cultural advances, I am most impressed with the Thais and Viets. They have produced a very impressive Music, Dance, Theatre and Cinema for countries that decades ago were embroiled in deadly wars. The Phillipines is also producing a lot of its own music-and importing Musicians to China and all over the world. They also start the children young-but with their parents permission.
          Malaysia and Indonesia are also producing remarkable architecture, but North Asians look down on South East Asians.
          “I heard Hong Kong even beats Tokyo for energy and brilliance. You should go to Asia. It’s amazing.”
          I would but I am allergic to tobacco…

        2. “Wouldn’t it be better to use your own languages so that you can romanticize your culture in the eyes of westerners and not pander to them.”
          It’s not to pander. But you knew that.
          “I would but I am allergic to tobacco…”
          That’s too bad. Depending on how allergic, you could probably manage Japan. Smokers are segregated there. Both Korea and Japan have cut down on smoking quite a bit through anti-smoking campaigns.

        3. “It’s not to pander. But you knew that”
          contrary to popular belief, Americans respect cultures who respect their own languages. You may sell less but we’ll respect you more for it.

      2. That’s because much of China’s modern literature, art, etc is heavily Communist/Nationalist. There are tons of Tibetan Communist and or Nationalist singers that are excellent, but of course no white nation wants to hear a Tibetan woman singing the praises of Mao Zedong in traditional style.
        No GSG, whites do not praise or like people who are self-sufficient and proud. They like fake and shallow pride but they despise the Chinese particularly because they are so defiant and refuse to be subsumed.
        As for Japan, they have tons of excellent writers and Korea from what I have seen has a highly developed intellectual culture. It’s not something that would register on the American radar; not least because Japanese does not translate easily into English.
        I’m far more impressed with that than anything the West has ever done, considering they work like 5 or 6 real hours a day in most parts of the world.

  16. Well sweety, East Asia didn’t need any new cultural development. We have Confucianism and the long legacy of our civilization. If you want to call Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears and other toxic shit “culture” be my guest. But REALWestern culture is dead and buried.

    1. I have deep respect for Confucianism-more so than for the Abrahamic faiths but most Chinese do not practice Eastern Religion, as it organized religion is banned. In the West, a large percent of Chinese expats and decendents of Chinese immigrants practice Christianity and an increasing number practice Judaism.
      Hollywood, the Music Industry, and modern pop culture is becoming less and less relevant in American society. With improved technology, it is easier for people to produce their own independent movies, music, shows etc.
      BTW You still haven’t accounted for the lack of cultural development in China. If Chinese have such high IQ’s, why aren’t they producing their own music and literature, both of which require little funding.

      1. “If Chinese have such high IQ’s, why aren’t they producing their own music and literature, both of which require little funding.”
        They are, it’s just not the pop, America-loving garbage you’re used to. There is great cultural activity not only among Han but among minorities as well, especially Tibetans.

        1. I know about the minorities but a lot of their ethnic pride gets censored by the government who would prefer them to identify as Chinese.

        2. I have seen some Jpop and Kpop music and that is exactly what they’re doing. Asian girls are behaving like sluts to appeal to westerners. contrary to popular belief, Westerners respect those who respect their own culture.

        3. “but a lot of their ethnic pride gets censored by the government”
          You actually believe this crap? lol
          “Westerners respect those who respect their own culture.”
          No, they don’t. They do to a certain extent if that culture is marketable or trendy. Truly proud cultures, like the Arabs and Chinese, are hated and feared for their vigor and defiance.

        4. In fact the CCP actively promotes minority cultures and shields them from Westernization.
          Again if all you know is pop and you don’t know the language you’re not going to notice how much cuisine, nationalist thought, literature, even gaming and literature are developing all over East Asia.

        5. “I have seen some Jpop and Kpop music and that is exactly what they’re doing. Asian girls are behaving like sluts to appeal to westerners. contrary to popular belief, Westerners respect those who respect their own culture.”
          Asian girls behave like sluts in Kpop because it brings in $$$ for their companies who schedule them and choose their songs and promote them. And their audience is in Asia, the West isn’t on the radar. The English is for international consumption in Asia. God, you silly.

        6. “The English is for international consumption in Asia”
          LOL. I thought only “illiterate, uneducated Americans” were monolingual and ethnocentric. Asian schools are so superior that all Asians must all be multilingual sarcasm/.
          My family actually has a history in China. My Great Grandfather was a Ukranian jew who migrated to Harbaen Manchuria in the late 1800’s and worked as a livestock dealer for the Chinese army. He later opened up a shoe company in Shanghai, where my grandmother was born. They fitted American GIs and during WWII and they unwillingly served Japanese, who would storm into their stores and take as they pleased without paying. All their property was confiscated in 1949, and they were made to leave except for my great grandfather, who was kept as a hostage and one of his daughters who would not leave his side. They were finally deported to Israel in 1955.

        7. Staying current helps a lot. Forget what grandpa from Shanghai told you. Kpop is huge in Asia. In fact the largest pop bands measured by fan following are in Asia from Asian audiences. And it’s not even close.
          Kpop bands used to play in the US mostly for Korean, Korean Americans, but it quickly expanded to Asians in the US. But it’s getting a following from a broader base. You may even get a few Jews in there. But really, we don’t give a fuck whether whitey likes us or not. Get over yourselves. You’re like Gloria Swanson in her 80s. “They love me, they love me”. Yeah, maybe 50 years ago, if ever. But, not now.

        8. Hacienda
          Whatever you say. But if Asians truly had no interest in the American consumer and wanted to exhibit ethnic pride, they would perform in their own language and Westerners would respect them for it.
          No one in my family biased me against China or other Asian countries (except Japan-my Grandmother still won’t buy Japanese cars.) Much to the contrary, my Grandmother’s family are very Sinophilic (I hope that’s a word.) My Grandmother and her sisters have Chinese furniture and oriental rugs in their houses, some of my relatives still speak Chinese, though most of the older relatives have died out. My whole life I have heard how superior Chinese culture is to Western culture.
          Thanks. I’ve never been compared to compared Gloria Swanson before, but my other alta Zayde had his own Kennedy connection back in the day…

        9. Pop is pop, a little English in shitty pop songs is far better than all your little wiggers making themselves look like fools.

        10. “Thanks. I’ve never been compared to compared Gloria Swanson”
          I’m going easy on you, girl. The way you’ve been responding on this thread- a mix of ignorant aggression + apologia. It’s about the nicest way I could put it.

  17. You’ve never heard the various commie songs coming of Mao’s China? You do realize that communism doesn’t give two shits about independent cultural creativity right? Frankly during Mao’s time, China was too poor to worry about culture. They tried to do what Stalin did in the 30’s with greater speed. By the way, why would Chinese practice judaism? I also depise Buddhism and other “Eastern religions.” Buddhism is not the key to a strong society.

  18. I wasn’t speaking on a statewide level, I was referring to individual Chinese. No country is too poor to produce great literature. Most published Asian literature is written by Asian expats living in the West. I have said before that the US has to spend less on the arts, humanities and social sciences and invest heavily in the sciences and career and professional programs but China has to invest more in cultural development if they want to be respected at an international level.
    A lot of Asians practice judaism because of intermarriage between Jews and Asians, transracial adoption of Asian children by Jews and conversion. A relatively high percentage of converts to Judaism in the last twenty five years have been Asian.

    1. “Most published Asian literature is written by Asian expats living in the West. ”
      Ridiculous. If you don’t know anything about Asia, why do you pretend you do?

      1. Sorry I got caught up sometimes I go overboard when I get upset. I’m just sick of hearing how great China is. I don’t pretend I know much about Asia. Notice I said I am not familiar with Jpop and Kpop, I just would be more impressed if Asians performed their pop music in their native languages.
        The literature comment was referring specifically to China which produces relatively little literature in proportion to its large population.

        1. And we’re all sick of hearing about how great and wonderful you Jews and whites think you are. If you have a problem, tell your own media to stop hyping China and mind your fucking business. China doesn’t go knocking on your doors trying to force their media down your throats; Hollywood does.
          And China produces a lot of a literature, you don’t realize this because… surprise surprise, it’s in Chinese. So you don’t respect people for speaking English but expect them to write English?
          And you do realize that agriculture in China is extremely labor intensive, correct, and that they’re industrializing? Or do you expect them to write a book between 12-14 hour, 6.5 day work weeks?
          Don’t be fucking stupid.

        2. China doesn’t go knocking on your doors trying to force their media down your throats; Hollywood does.
          My thoughts exactly.
          China also isn’t the one outsourcing American jobs and running up the debt with neocon wars in the Middle East.
          And sadly, much of the “Chinese made” goods that Americans purchase come from American companies.
          Today, we Americans are not run by economic nationalists, but economic globalists. China is the opposite, which is why they’re surpassing us.
          If only there were a way to reverse our decline and stop sabotaging ourselves.
          God help us all.

        3. Ah, but to follow my own advice on optimism and pragmatism, there are ways to reverse this.
          1) We need to become economic nationalists, not globalists.
          2) We need to institute tariffs and protectionism.
          3) Our schools need to focus more on educating American kids and less on producing PC zealots.
          4) We need to start improving our own technical education rather than importing foreign students through H1b visas.
          5) We need to end all foreign aid to Israel.
          6) We need to end costly wars and military expenditures.
          7) For the love of god, stop outsourcing!
          Well, there’s a lot of shit that needs to be done, but it CAN be done if only we have the will.

        4. Huax
          Chinese schools are raising generations of clones and promoting conformity that is why they are not making cultural advances.
          I do believe Hollywood and the mainstream music industry are going to become less relevant in future decades though. With the internet, it is easier for people to produce their own media and market it. And people will rebel against trashy hollywood culture.

        5. BAG, America needs to improve its infrastructure, stop fighting so many wars, stabilize their Southern border, rein in the bankers, stop subsidies to parasitical and non-performing states as well.
          Gay State Girl
          “Chinese schools are raising generations of clones and promoting conformity that is why they are not making cultural advances.”
          They are making cultural advances. It’s becoming clear that you don’t know shit at all when it comes to China. No, they are not raising “generations of clones”- some provinces have an education system suitable for industrializing societies, but some do not.

        6. BAG, America needs to improve its infrastructure, stop fighting so many wars, stabilize their Southern border, rein in the bankers, stop subsidies to parasitical and non-performing states as well.
          That’s most certainly true.
          I think the stop fighting so many wars part can be remedied. At least among the U.S. masses, there’s a backlash (however minor) against globalism and foreign wars. While I confess no hard evidence, an isolationist climate might be approaching.
          I also think that securing the border can be accomplished. States like Arizona and elsewhere are working on securing their borders/getting rid of illegal immigrants
          For the rest of the items you listed, that’s a bit more tricky. Reining the bankers and ending aid to parasitical and non-performing states (chiefly Israel) will be easier said than done.
          If one has a good solution, I’d love to see it.

        7. Ah yes, and improving infrastructure will be tough, since we’ve sabotaged ourselves over the past 4 decades.
          The most important thing will be to transition back to a production based economy, as opposed to a service based economy, which is what we are now. Biting the bullet and ending outsourcing/ getting back jobs in exchange for higher prices will also be temporarily uncomfortable, but necessary.

        8. China suppresses any literature that exhibits any ethnic national from minorities.
          The US is far from perfect but…

        9. “China suppresses any literature that exhibits any ethnic national from minorities.”
          As does the US, only the US does it overseas as well. Not that “ethnic national from minorities” in China is anything more than CIA-sponsored junk.

  19. Haha Israel has a large non white population and its average IQ is still higher than Ireland’s. Wonder how high that famous Ashkie IQ must be to tip the scale…

    1. Amy Chua bites the hand that feeds her. The Phillipines is far more tolerant than China. for one thing, they DO NOT encourage the selective abortion of baby girls and her parents were educated at English schools in the Phillipines. China closed all foreign schools during the revolution and kicked out all the foreigners and seized their property. Phillipines continued to allow Americans to live there even after they gained inedependence. Maybe not so wise but certainly more tolerant.

  20. “Beats New York, beats Chicago, beats L.A. easy. Best restaurants in the world, great food high end and low end.”
    No contest. But not Boston. We be the best.

      1. In Quincy, Allston, and Gookline (Brookline, its okay I say Jewton and Kikesville as well) you have the finest Asian cuisine and products. Seoul Bakery, Lollicup Cafe, Dok Bua’s Thai Emporium, Coco’s Korean Boutique. Don’t go Chinatown though…

    1. The kyungsam is considered the brains of modern Korea, with good reason.
      All the edginess is there. It’s been a brain drain right into Seoul for the last 100 years.

    1. Interesting place. Kind of the reactionary, beat up side of Korea. Conquered by Silla, then Gogyreo. Still, has a lot of fighting spirit in it. Too often impulsive, bitter, and not thought through. Jeonju island was once a part of Jeolla. I’d like to know the story of their separation. You wouldn’t know anything about it?

  21. Hacienda
    We Americans just can’t win. When we demand that foreign artists translate their work to accomodate us, they get offended and rightly so. But whenI speak Spanish to hispanics, who otherwise can’t be bothered to speak English or suggest that Koreans perform their music in Korean, you get angry as well.

    1. It’s already been said several times that they do perform most of their music in Korean, you just don’t know about any of those songs because they’re not pop.
      Pop is such garbage that it’s a non-factor in terms of “national dignity”.

      1. Huax
        Hacienda was raving about Kpop, which is vastly overrated.
        I did not say China does not produce literature, just that it contributes relatively little in proportion to its large population. The majority of Westerners work 40+ hours a week. And much of our great classic literature comes from a period when people were required to work long days and do hard labor.
        And I’m the most reasonable jew you’re going to find.

        1. 40 hours a week is nothing. The average work week in OECD East Asia is something like 60, 70 hours- those are official work hours. Japanese men put in an additional 2-3 hours of “unofficial” extra work (free labor for the sake of the company), minus some socializing. In China it’s even higher.
          Simply put China is not focused on literature. They are too busy doing everything important first, whereas countries like Brazil and India will tolerate massive crime, social unrest, disease and malnutrition so they can nudge 1% of the population into the proper prestige class that might crap out a nice English language book every now and then.

        2. Huax
          I don’t care about the literature, music, film China produces and I wouldn’t entirely base a nation on the art and culture they produce. However China has adopted much of Western culture particularly classical music and claims to outdo Westerners at it. That’s where I was going.
          And most of tthe Western classics were written inthe late 1700’s and 1800’s when people had to do hard labor 60-70 hours a week.

        3. Keyword being “most”; the vast majority of Western artists and writers were from rich families that had tons of free time. China’s wealth (read: not income) is spread much more evenly than any major Western country’s.
          Again, I said wealth, as in net worth (or how rich you are). Not income per capita.

        4. Wow, three whole people over the span of one and a half centuries. Like I said, you don’t know anything about China, Chinese culture, Chinese literature, Chinese art or Chinese history.
          So what is the point of all your inane garbage? That China can’t write books in English while it’s busy 1) creating the fastest economic growth in history 2) lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty 3) adjusting the international order 4) being the only country that can resist white financial/cultural/military imperialism 5) working 70-80 hour work weeks 6) completely geo-engineering a massive country (Russia and Canada are mostly ice)
          Don’t be stupid.

        5. I don’t give a shit what China does, I just Chinese would stop protraying themselves as some kind of master race.

        6. @ GSG
          Just as I told Huax, there’s no point in arguing with ideological enemies who piss you off.
          Huax is a fierce Chinese nationalist, which I have no problem with.
          I’m a nationalist in my own right, even though I’ve increasingly moved away from “white nationalism” per se.
          Trying to tell him that China isn’t better than the the West/China isn’t so great, etc, is like trying to explain to Jared Taylor the merits of racial diversity.
          It just isn’t going to happen.
          Even though Huax may say some things I disagree with, I’m not in the mood to argue with him. Maybe a few months ago, I would have been, but not today.
          I’m interested in thinking and exchanging ideas with people somewhat on the same page with me. I’m not interested in getting into heated flamewars.
          Besides, I think Huax is primarily reacting to what he perceives to be China bashing. He doesn’t like the way China is bashed as authoritarian, repressive, uncreative, etc. He feels like it’s getting picked on by hypocritical and self-righteous Westerners.
          Granted, he hasn’t exactly expressed any love for Westerners (not that I expect him to), but I think his anger/hostility is more of a reaction to anti-Chinese Western sentiments than blanket hatred for all Westerners.
          Similar to how I would get extremely heated/say some extreme things in the past when reading anti-white Critical Race Theorists.
          I stopped reading CRT’s, mind you, just as I recommended to Huax that he ignore the annoying BS of certain WN’s and other China bashers.
          Similarly, GSG, you shouldn’t get too worked up over what Huax says. It just isn’t worth your energy.

        7. You mean you wish whites would stop insisting Chinese people aren’t inferior to Jews, right?
          That’s fucking hilarious coming from the “chosen people”. You’re one of many, many butthurt Jews who have some kind of inexplicable grudge against Chinese people despite the fact that all we’ve ever done to you was shelter 10s of thousands of you from Hitler’s concentration camps.
          If it weren’t for us your grandparents/great grandparents would be dead and you wouldn’t even exist, that sure beats writing a few books, doesn’t it?

        8. Correct on many counts, BAG. I have no problem with people criticizing China but I can’t stand obnoxious pussy-footers who dance around and won’t come out and say what they’re thinking. In real life you can punch these people in the face, over the internet you cannot.
          I am indeed a Chinese nationalist but I don’t think any one individual anywhere in the West understands what real Chinese nationalism is.

        9. Thanks.
          I don’t give a shit about China, I don’t even care about human rights abuses. I initially started this fight against FP3YP and Huax got on board. I have no intention of fighting with Huax or Hacienda. they seem to be more moderate nationalists. I have no interest in debating them.

        10. Once you basically start throwing unsubstantiated claims around, you take the fight to everyone who actually knows the facts behind them.
          Your assertions that 1) the Philippines is a more tolerant nation than China 2) that China suppresses minorities 3) that China produces no literature are all absurd.
          I can go in depth on why, if you were actually interested- but as you said so yourself you “don’t give a shit about China” but apparently it chaps your ass when the idea that Jews are the master race, the Chosen People, blahblahblahblahblah is in any way challenged.
          I know a lot of other Jews who feel the same.

        11. I don’t think any one individual anywhere in the West understands what real Chinese nationalism is.
          I’ve taken courses on China taught by China scholars (both native Chinese and non-Asian Westerners), and I think (correct me if I’m wrong) the main thing about Chinese nationalism is that it’s very much mainstream.
          Chinese nationalism mandates that all Chinese have a sense of duty towards the Chinese nation, including diaspora Chinese.
          Chinese nationalism believes that people should endure individual privation in exchange for working to make the nation stronger. Security, unity, and strength are meant to prevail over “individual freedom.” For example, one of my Chinese professors supported the government’s response to the Tianamen Square protests, because he believed that it was necessary to preserve order and unity within China.
          Your average Han Chinese is very much nationalistic, and will not take kindly to slights against their kith and kin.
          While I believe that the West needs its own model for success, I wish they had half as much nationalism as the Chinese. Instead, we have all this “credal nation,” globalism crap, and this “let’s hold hands” sentimentality of liberals, as well as all this “low taxes and complete individual freedom” nonsense from many conservatives.
          Though China does indeed have many problems, 50 years from now, it will still be Chinese. Ditto for Japan and Korea.
          The same cannot be said for many Western countries. Even Ireland, which never had any overseas colonies itself (it was a colony itself) is now being overrun with Nigerians and other outsiders (mainly in cities like Dublin).

        12. That’s only modern CPP mainstream nationalism, Chinese nationalism stretches much further back than that. Chinese nationalism is not a Han ethnic movement.
          And I sympathize with Ireland, and Sweden especially, but then again I sympathize most with the Iroquois, Apache, Cree, and 100s of others far more. White nationalists who think they’re the true natives of America need to be machine gunned.

        13. LOL point to where I said Jews are the master race or the chosen people. Obviously you never read my posts on Jews and Israel. I don’t care about Asian nationalism except in its extreme forms and I have found that Asians get along quite well with Jews. I am not afraid of Asian competition. There is no need for ethnic rivalry.
          Gay Area Guy
          I stopped reading Mondoweiss and I feel much better. It is clear he is just exploiting Israel/Palestine to distinguish himself and cement his name in the history textbooks.

        14. What I learned was that the whole notion of “Chinese nationalism” pretty much came about during the late 19th and early 20th century, following the century of humiliation.
          Their defeat at the hands of Japan during the 1894-1895 Sino-Japanese war played a big role in convincing Chinese intellectual elites that Japan’s militarized samurai culture helped it prevail over their civil service/exam based culture.
          Also, I learned that being Chinese used to be seen primarily in cultural terms, but close to the beginning of the 20th century, being Chinese had more to do with blood and heritage.
          Prior to humiliation at the hands of the West and then Japan, your average Chinese person saw himself primarily in terms of his village and family. He didn’t really think of himself as part of a “Chinese nation” per se.
          This began to change later on, as evidenced by the campaign to raise money for a Chinese constructed railroad (which received donations from many people regardless of economic background), the strike by Shanghai transportation workers, who refused to transport Japanese passengers, etc.
          It reached its peak following Mao and the Communists, who sought to end “superstition” and other forms of “backwardness” (I recall the story of a woman in Chen village who was punished for telling ghost stories), which encouraged the Chinese people to see themselves in a communal, pro-Chinese nation sense.
          You could definitely argue that such nationalism existed before then, but then again, that depends on how you define “nationalism.”
          If you define nationalism as a belief in blood and soil, I would argue that in China, it mainly came about over a century ago.

        15. I stopped reading Mondoweiss and I feel much better.
          And I think you’re much better off for it.
          Just as I’m much better off on account of no longer reading Abagond or other CRT blogs.
          And just as Huax would be better off if he stopped getting agitated by stupid shit said by certain WN’s.
          In general, it’s better for your soul to not get agitated over what your enemies say. You’re never going to get them to agree with you on anything, they’ll never change their dogmatic views, and engaging with them/reading them will only create a bunch of unnecessary anger and heated emotions.
          I’m through with angry debates.

        16. Bay Area Guy,
          Granted, WNs are fucking idiots. But it really isn’t WNs who bother me, it’s America trying to take China over financially and culturally, trying to encircle and starve East Asia, and funding violent terrorist groups to destabilize the region. These are real threats far beyond some delusional redneck cousin-fucker proclaiming his race is the best on the internet. I will be much more relaxed in 2020 when it becomes clear that China and the rest of East Asia can stabilize and secure their interests.

        17. I will be much more relaxed in 2020 when it becomes clear that China and the rest of East Asia can stabilize and secure their interests.
          Just as I will be more relaxed when the U.S. withdraws from messy global politics, secures its borders, improves its educational attainment, reins in Wall Street, and improves its overall strength as a NATION, NOT a multicultural empire. .
          We’ve all got shit to worry about. That’s why I no longer feel like getting into heated debates with people on the internet.
          Even if you say some things I don’t agree with, I’m not about to fight you over it. It’s just not worth it.

        18. Gay Area Guy
          The thing about Philip Weiss is that while he claims himself to be an “Assimilating Jew,” he is thoroughly obsessed with Jewishness more so then members of my (modern) orthodox community who go about their lives and have normal professions mostly outside the Orthodox world and have their own lives and families to take care of. When he makes blanket statements such as “Intermarriage is good for Jews,” or when he celebrates when it does happen, he is essentially suggesting that Jews are a collective group with uniform experiences, opinions etc and that he is connected with these Jews on a personal level. He is just using his “Jewishness” to make a name for himself and promote his agenda…I’ll stop ranting. I’ll just invite him to answer my chaarges which I doubt he can do.
          Huax, I have no interest in fighting with you. If China produces great literature, it might be a wise investment to translate it so that Westerners can enjoy it too. this is said with pure seriosness.

        19. it’s America trying to take China over financially and culturally
          I wouldn’t worry too much if I were you.
          The way I see it, the U.S. continues to lose jobs due to outsourcing and insourcing, China owns much of our debt, and they continue to rise.
          I think the U.S. is in a more vulnerable position, personally.
          It won’t be taking over China anytime soon, and certainly not by 2020.

        20. The thing is, my study is actually conducive to my goals. WN blathering is kind of self-defeating.
          WN stupidity was the spark that led me (and I’m sure many others) to many truths. I went from being your standard deluded America and democracy fanboy to what I am today in the span of a few short years.
          The nice thing about Chinese nationalism, unlike white emo angst, is that it’s grounded in reality and thus is a far more marketable product.

        21. I don’t completely agree.
          Granted, far too many white nationalists are deluded and reduced to spewing empty rhetoric.
          But a few, such as Hunter Wallace, Jared Taylor, and others, actually have practical goals and are willing to work within the mainstream to achieve them.
          I have no more use for most white nationalists. To me, all I care about is working with those who can advance the white cause. I care about success, not ideological purity. Fools wear their ideological purity and emotions on their sleeves.
          Mainstream politicians have done far more to enact anti-immigration legislation and advance pro-white causes than any Alex Linder.
          I’ve become more and more of a realist. I will work with anyone who can advance my beliefs.

        22. Well, that’s about it. I’m going to withdraw from this debate.
          Though we’ve so far had a pretty civil conversation, we probably won’t see eye-to-eye, push comes to shove.
          We may not agree on a decent amount, Huax, but I’m certainly not interested in fighting you.

        23. Bay Area Guy
          I wouldn’t worry too much if I were you.
          It may look like America is doing pretty bad on the surface and honestly it is, but that’s not going to stop their Hollywood and banking parasites from jumping ship. That’s one of my biggest fears- that they will try to infect East Asia with multiculturalist stupidity. Contrary to popular belief (as perpetuated by American mass media), East Asians are excessively kind to foreigners of all races. If even .1% of East Asia’s population ends up consisting of financial parasites and propaganda whores of the US, everything will quickly deteriorate.
          Thankfully the US is making itself hated in China so that might not happen.

        24. Besides, I’m probably going to go and work out. Writing long posts on blogs is quite time consuming! I need a break.
          I will see you all later!

        25. “What I learned was that the whole notion of “Chinese nationalism” pretty much came about during the late 19th and early 20th century, following the century of humiliation.”
          Interesting idea. It reminds me very much of german nationalism after the 19th century. Nationalism in germany began to rise in the century after the napoleonic humiliation. At the begining of the 20th centurt Germany was the rising power and was in position to challenge the position of the older mercantile powers of western europe, especially the anglos. It had overtaken the British empire in many metrics. It looked as if the century was going to be a competition between Germany and the US. Unfortunately the older powers were able to BS their way into one major war with Germany that led to another and ruined Germany ( and Hungary too). This is of course unfortunate because pre-WWI germany was awesome. It was flowering in science and the arts. The country which took its place( at least in western europe and the americas) as the dominant power( the USA) is filled with retardism. The US is one of the most idiotic countries in the history of the world. Unfortunately it seems that we have influenced much of western europe to sway towards the same idiocy. Even european anti-americanism is often just criticizing america for not being american enough (ie you’re not friendly enough to faggots, etc). It’s really disgusting.
          This whole post has gone far off topic. My point is that Germany became nationalistic after a period of humiliation and becaem powerful. They were lured into a bullshit war which destroyed them. The current powers (mostly the USA) will probably try to do something similar to China.

        26. Interesting idea. It reminds me very much of german nationalism after the 19th century. Nationalism in germany began to rise in the century after the napoleonic humiliation. At the begining of the 20th centurt Germany was the rising power and was in position to challenge the position of the older mercantile powers of western europe, especially the anglos. It had overtaken the British empire in many metrics. It looked as if the century was going to be a competition between Germany and the US. Unfortunately the older powers were able to BS their way into one major war with Germany that led to another and ruined Germany ( and Hungary too). This is of course unfortunate because pre-WWI germany was awesome. It was flowering in science and the arts. The country which took its place( at least in western europe and the americas) as the dominant power( the USA) is filled with retardism. The US is one of the most idiotic countries in the history of the world.
          Interesting historical comparison. One could certainly make that case. I also think that it was hypocritical for Britain, France, and the U.S. to condemn Germany while colonizing most of the world. Not that I have any love for Nazi Germany. Hitler was one of the worst things to happen to the white race.
          Not to mention that Germans today are a bunch of self-flagellating wimps.
          Unfortunately it seems that we have influenced much of western europe to sway towards the same idiocy. Even european anti-americanism is often just criticizing america for not being american enough (ie you’re not friendly enough to faggots, etc). It’s really disgusting.
          Sad, but true. Some European societies are just plain insane.
          The West no longer has faith in itself or its heritage. We’ve become a bunch of apologetic, masochistic, suicidal wimps.
          Is it any wonder Northeast Asia continues to eclipse us?
          Pat Buchanan has an excellent take on this.
          http://www.vdare.com/buchanan/110120_migrant_mistreatment.htm
          We can’t win or end our wars, balance our budgets or control our borders. Great states like California and Illinois appear about to go belly-up. The U.S. government is running a third straight deficit of near 10 percent of our entire economy. We used our stimulus money to save government jobs. They used theirs for bullet trains.
          Buchanan tells it like it is.

        27. “The West no longer has faith in itself or its heritage”
          True. This is one of the main reasons I like parties like the french national front. Not are they anti-islamic, they are also anti-american. Sounds like a great combination!
          “Not to mention that Germans today are a bunch of self-flagellating wimps. ”
          True, and that’s very sad. Germany is one of the most productive nations in the history of the world but all these anti-european cunts want them to see their whole history as the 12 year period between 1933 and 1945. It shitty. They were one of the people of europe who seemed to have largely bucked the trend of the other peoples in the colonial era. How many americans have heard of Carl Friedrich Gauss or Alexander von Humboldt? How many germans have?

        28. “It may look like America is doing pretty bad on the surface and honestly it is, but that’s not going to stop their Hollywood and banking parasites from jumping ship.”
          Yeah, I l;ike this. Hollywood and banking parasites. That what I’m going to refer to them as from now on. It sounds a lot more mainstream than rat faced demons.
          ” If even .1% of East Asia’s population ends up consisting of financial parasites and propaganda whores of the US, everything will quickly deteriorate.”
          Especially if that .1% is composed of the group that has traditionally infested european countries.

        29. “Histrionics makes blogs fun. I’m the Vladimir Zhirinovsky of this blog you kike swine!!!”
          Kind of an oxymoron seeing as we don’t eat pork or associate with it, (Lubavich rabbi of my town would not even let his daughter keep a toy pig that she had received as a birthday present.)

        30. “Kind of an oxymoron seeing as we don’t eat pork or associate with it”
          All right. Fine.
          I’m the Vladimir Zhirinovsky of this blog you rat-faced demon!!!

      2. I have no interest in criticizing China. China is not on my radar.
        LOL. Have you read my posts on Jews and Israel. Like I said, I’m the most reasonable Jew you will ever find.
        China didn’t “save” my family. Granted they did not kill us but my Great Grandfather paid his own way and did not expect any favors from the Chinse government. I do not hold a grudge against the Chinese, but after the revolution, whites were not welcome in China so most of my family left but Mao seized all my family’s property and kept my Great Grandfather as a hostage.

        1. Sucks for you? Mao seized property from everyone and expelled all foreigners, not just whites.
          I guess your great grandfather was one of the few whites who actually knew what its like to have your assets seized through force. Maybe if whites wanted clemency they shouldn’t have engaged in a systematic looting of China for the last 150 years.

        2. Not all the whites in China were colonial powers. Many of those were ethnic minorities from the Russian Empire who escaped persecution. My family did not loot China or *exploit* any ethnic Chinese. My family quietly owned their own businesses and most of those who worked in them were part of the family.

  22. Interesting exchange with Huax… who sounds every bit as nationalistic/chauvinistic as I have become….and good luck to him.
    We all have our prejudices and find arguments to support them.
    However , just for fun, it might be interesting to compare the performance in technology between White Europeans and East Asians.
    It may be that there are gross misperceptions on both sides of the divide.
    Huax lays claim to the seed drill, yet I was taught that it was an Englishman, Jethro Tull that dreamt it up.
    However Huax is right. The Chinese had a seed drill up and running by the 2nd century BC. Following contact with China the idea appears in Europe in Italy. So Jethro Tull improved the seed drill, but did not invent it.
    Of course I could be mischievous and suggest that the Tocharians implanted the idea in the Chinese, but for that there is not a shred of evidence. However there is evidence that they introduced the bridle bit and also the wheeled chariot, and , at that time their weaving techniques were miles ahead of the indigenes, which is why the Chinese are not too keen on the Tocharians.
    Let’s take the middle ages. The Chinese are ahead technologically but seem to have peaked. Paper making, printing and gunpowder seem to be the principal technologies that grab Europe by the scruff of the neck and make it wake up.
    From this point on Europe leaps ahead, while China and east Asia turn in on themselves in haughty disdain, hoping that those barbarians of the West quietly throttle each other and never turn up on their shores. Consciously or unconsciously they have opted for a static, fossilised society.
    So China misses out on the industrial revolution. Its windships are nothing compared to the clippers, and the steamships that replaced them. It misses out on the diesel engine of Rudolf Diesel and the petrol(gasoline engine of Daimler and Benz and the tarmacadam road that goes with them. Then it misses out on the aircraft and nuclear technology.
    However we can see that you’re catching up … and as a white nationalist that’s what worries me… that we’re like the China of days of yore, so sure of ourselves, so confident, so wonderful that we’ve got to be so nice to everyone, noblesse oblige and all that, which is arrogance of the most extreme sort…… and that the world will move on, and pass us by.

    1. Which dominated international trade for centuries- silk or Tocharian weave?
      In fact the Tocharians themselves were avid consumers of Chinese silk until the Xiongnu (Huns) finally kicked them out of Xinjiang into India, much to Han China’s dismay.
      And China in no way treated all foreigners are “barbaric”; that’s nonsense British propaganda to justify the Opium Wars to the public. China traded with Portugal, the Dutch and the Spaniards via intermediaries.
      The reason why China turned inwards was largely due to the central government not wanting coastal merchants to gain too much power. It had nothing to do with xenophobia- China maintained relations with just about every nation from East Africa to Japan.

      1. “The reason why China turned inwards was largely due to the central government not wanting coastal merchants to gain too much power”
        Do you think this will be an issue in the future? I’ve read a few commentators (ex. neocon George Friedman) who claims that the Chinese state will dissolve in the next few decades (he says the same thing about Russia). What I’ve heard people say is that there is a geography based pattern in chinese history where the costal cities get rich and the hinterland remains poor. One of the example he sites is Mao’s long march through the hinter land being able gather people to attack areas closer to the coast where there was oppostion to him. He claims that in the next few decades the elite of chinese coastal cities will have more common interests with other rich cities around the world than with the central government of China. Then the central government will crack down on the coastal cities to bring them back in the fold. To accomplish this the central government will promote things like chinese nationalism. He says that eventually the coastal cities will break away and ally themselves with other powers against the central government. He sees Taiwan as an historical example of such a trend.
        I think George Friedman himself is full of shit most of the time, but I’ve heard this from other writers too.

        1. Sorry, this post was not executed well. The idea I was trying to get across is that the poorer hinterland regions will attack the coastal regions and the central government will support this as a way to control the rich of the coastal cities.
          I myself don’t have an opinion of the correctness of the idea. It’s just something I’ve heard others say.

        2. They write that stuff to masturbate to at night because their wives are probably revolting hags by now. It’s highly, highly unlikely with modern technology.
          It is true that the North is traditionally full of ascetics who saw merchants as parasites, and the South of traders and bankers, but generally speaking the two sides get along extraordinarily well considering the linguistic, cultural and genetic differences.
          The interior tended to be poor only because it was where all the regional wars took place, otherwise the North Chinese economy tends to do very well.

    1. What’s your opinion on Hitler and the Third Reich? He allied with the Japs and he stated that he felt the Chinese and Japanese were in no way inferior to Germans, and that he respected them and their civilization.

  23. Hitler and the Third Reich? Different people are affected by events and places in different ways. I visited the Berghof as a youngster, aged about 12, fully indoctrinated with the idea that Hitler and the Germans were the very embodiment of Satan. But when I gazed over the stupendous and wondrous views of that location, something changed. Hitler, for me, became a person. This man had taste. Murderers and psychopaths, I would have thought, have little time for fine views.
    Believe me, I looked and was ever watchful for signs of psychopathy and racial supremacy in the Germans and Austrians I met. Oh I knew that after the war they would try to cover it up, but in an unguarded moment they would eventually give the game away.
    Well either they’re the genius’s of all time, or I’m the world’s biggest numpty, but I’m afraid to say that I never detected any such signs.
    If anything, and I recall my impressions very clearly, they were smarter, better dressed, more cultured, better looking esp the women. The British weren’t far behind, but I went away with the impression that to equal the Germans, they had to lift their game just a notch or two.
    So I’m afraid you will have to write me off as a hopeless Germano-Austrianophile.
    If Hitler said that the Japanese and Chinese were in no way inferior to Germans and respected them, then that’s just fine by me. However I have done my own research and formed my own opinion which is pretty much the same. What I will not tolerate is slurs, lies and denigration of my own people, White Christian Europeans. We’ve got teeth too you know, and if any have forgotten that, they are going to be reminded.

      1. Before WN stupidity, I never had a problem with whites.
        Why do you get so angry over what WN’s think? Most WN’s are powerless and are mostly reduced to spewing empty rhetoric online.
        Similarly, I used to hate Critical Race Theorists/anti-racists and get all worked up over what they said, but now I simply ignore/ridicule them.
        At least based on my own experience, it’s not good to get all worked up over the stupid shit espoused by your ideological enemies.
        Don’t give them that power.
        (I admit, I’m still working on this, but for the most part I’ve ceased being angry with people like Tim Wise)

        1. If it were only WNs. WNs woke me up to the reality that Western bankers, politicians, media and military men, etc are all scum with their cross-hairs trained on East Asia.
          Until the issues with China, the rest of East Asia and the US are settled (i.e the US stops being a hypocritical, psychopathic cunt) there’s not much to laugh at.

    1. Again, the fact that Ricci (and many others) were treated with respect shows that China did not indeed see all foreigners as barbarians. Only the ones that actually were savages, for the most part. Tibet, Korea, Japan, India, Rome, Persia, Arabia and then finally the earlier European arrivals in China were mostly exempt.

  24. @Wade
    Indeed. Anglo-Jewry is truly a cancer. I don’t think it will be as easy to do to China what Britain did to Germany in 1914. And of course, Britain destroyed itself, not just Germany. I have absolutely no sympathy for the conditions in which rotten, scumbag Anglo-Judaic socieites find themselves in today.

    1. ” I have absolutely no sympathy for the conditions in which rotten, scumbag Anglo-Judaic socieites find themselves in today.”
      I have sympathy for the lower classes of these countries, especially the ones that are some what smarter. I really doubt that the lower class population England ever really gave a shit about the finances of China or much of the rest of the world. The upper class used the north america and austrailia as a dump for poor people who committed mostly minor crimes. As I’ve said before, I actually like the medieval cultures of the Anglo-Celtic Isles but not their more modern incarnations. I think the reformation and the jews really had a lot to do with fucking these countries over.
      ” I don’t think it will be as easy to do to China what Britain did to Germany in 1914″
      True. China’s more isolated geography helps is here, but it is not impossible.

  25. Wade, you’re forgetting that rich coastal cities and poorer hinterland was nearly a permanent fixture throughout China’s history, from ancieent times to today. It was only because of the British Empire that this disparity caused Qing dynasty to collapse. China will not be going away. In fact, China is in the best position it could ever be in since 1950.

    1. “Wade, you’re forgetting that rich coastal cities and poorer hinterland was nearly a permanent fixture throughout China’s history, from ancieent times to today.”
      Yes, he claims that there have similar movements throughout history. I an a beginner when it comes to chinese history so I can support of detract from his hypotheses. However, I will say that historical trends can change. From what I know of chinese history, it got attacked by steppe warriors constantly, but I really can’t see the turkic peoples or the mongols attacking china today. The other attackers, the Manchus, seem to have largely been incorporated in to the chinese populace from what I’ve heard. I often wonder what chinese peeope think to the Qing dynasty. I understand that in the begining many saw it as foreign and barbarian. I don’t know anything about later periods though.

      1. “I an a beginner when it comes to chinese history so I can support of detract from his hypotheses”
        I meant to put that I can’t detract or support his hypotheses.

  26. One reason I’m a Germanophile, as well as a Russophile, is because both nations have historically fought against Anglo-Jewry. Friedman, and the other doomsayers about China, are generally neocon types who want to project their wishes as reality. Read Sublime Oblivion blog by Anatoly Karlin to get the real scoop. He refutes all the “China, Russia are going to die” bullshit like a genius. In fact Karlin says that its Uncle Sam that should be worried about the 21st century.

    1. Of course, Russia since Putin is also doing well, as well as being allied with China. Germany, on the other hand, is totally dominated.

    2. “In fact Karlin says that its Uncle Sam that should be worried about the 21st century”
      I think so too. I don’t talk about it too much though. My fathers side of the family has been in america for a long time. We have many veterans in our family. I have no doubt that they, and most veterans had the best intentions when they joined up. They were led astray though. The elite of this country has fucked them and everyone else horribly. I’ve never told anyone in person, but in many ways I hope that the US breaks up. Part of me feels like a traitor to my ancestors for saying so, but I think that if Jefferson, Washington, or any great american of the past saw the US today they would kill themself. I once read a post on a european nationalist blog that said, “American isn’t at war with this or that culture, but culture in general.” I have come tho believe he was right. Hopefully the lands of the US can reform on a more local basis if the US falls.

        1. Like most true patriots, he is smeared as an “anti-Semite.”
          Yup, apparently being an “anti-Semite” is worse than being a globalist, neoliberal, imperialist turd who destroys his own country.

    1. For one thing, German brought it on themselves. Germany has to kiss Jewish butt, but it’s still a very classist society. Immigrants, such as Turks (who are not quite as religious than other Muslim groups so could be more assimilable) have not been given the opportunity to get a rigorous education and go to University. But our friend Philip Weiss wants to take it a step further than simply living side by side. Everyone must embrace eachother’s cultural traditions you see.

      1. Immigrants, such as Turks (who are not quite as religious than other Muslim groups so could be more assimilable) have not been given the opportunity to get a rigorous education and go to University.
        That’s hardly an argument in favor of multiculturalism.
        Germany has to kiss Jewish but
        Yeah, pathetic, isn’t it? And yeah, screw Philip Weiss. His “let’s hold hands” sentimentality is part of the reason why the West is in the miserable shape it’s in.

        1. What I’ve noticed is that the multiculturalists are more race concious than tame WN’s. Phil Weiss constantly brings up the race of people. When he talks about someone, the first thing he mentions is their ethnic background. He constantly reminds us that he married a prized WASP (no doubt for bragging rights.) I would strive for a completely color blind society, but that is impossible because Multiculturalists won’t let ethnic minorities forget who they are. They always want to clebrate people’s diverse ethnic backgrounds.

        2. Gay Area Guy
          I was speaking tongue in cheek and I know Wade was too, but it’s important to set some standards especially in crime prevention.

      2. “For one thing, German brought it on themselves. Germany has to kiss Jewish butt”
        No they did not. Britain and you “”people”” brought that on them.
        The one good thing Hitler did was taking so many of you pieces of shit out. I can’t imagine how fucked up the world would be today if he hadn’t performed that necessary act. Hopefully Iran hates the jews as much as were told. I don’t really care if it’s ovens or nuclear weapons, anything that makes the jews go up in smoke is good for humanity.
        “Immigrants, such as Turks (who are not quite as religious than other Muslim groups so could be more assimilable) have not been given the opportunity to get a rigorous education and go to University”
        Fuck them. That like a parasite complaining that the host is not feeding it well enough.

        1. The one good thing Hitler did was taking so many of you pieces of shit out. I can’t imagine how fucked up the world would be today if he hadn’t performed that necessary act. Hopefully Iran hates the jews as much as were told. I don’t really care if it’s ovens or nuclear weapons, anything that makes the jews go up in smoke is good for humanity.
          Damn, Wade! I’m anything but a philo-Semite myself, but I wouldn’t go that far.
          I would just send all Jews to Israel. And I mean ALL Jews, as in no diaspora.
          Besides, Hitler ravaged Europe and weakened the white race, so fuck him.

        2. Germany is the rare case where the minorities have a case. All the the poor lower class students are sent to remedial schools and do not have the opportunity to go to a good university afterwards as Germany does not have a community college system like the US has.

        3. Germany is the rare case where the minorities have a case.
          No, I don’t agree. If minorities don’t like it in Germany, they should leave.
          And if the Germans then complain about labor shortages, they ought to start having more kids and give up their welfare state.
          As Pat Buchanan put it, Europe wanted to enjoy affluent welfare states, running up a tab by not having kids and being swarmed by aliens.
          Well, now the bill has arrived.
          European countries are either going to have to get rid of their welfare states, or increasingly become multicultural 3rd world countries.
          A little extra affluence versus continued nationhood is the issue.

        4. (Robert, just so you know, I’m not advocating Republican style economics when I describe Europe’s “welfare state.” I think that progressive economics in Europe can indeed exist, but it must find a way to keep up birthrates and keep out aliens at the same time)

        5. Ugh no Israel.
          Israel or somewhere, but no longer in Western countries.
          Jews, or at least organized Jewry, has demonstrated time and time again that they cannot be trusted to put U.S. or other Western interests above Jewish ones.
          They have demonstrated time and time again that they care more about Israel than they do their own countries of residence, and are in fact willing to sabotage their countries of residence just to secure Israel, to the point where it’s safer in the U.S. to criticize the U.S. president than an Israeli prime minister.
          Well, if Jews love Israel so much, they ought to move there. Either that, or some other location where they cannot meddle in Western affairs.

        6. “I would just send all Jews to Israel. And I mean ALL Jews, as in no diaspora. ”
          Do you think that the well connected jews and with their banks, bought off politicians, and media control would allow that to happen without total armageddon? Jews are like gypsies. They really don’t want to be alone because then they couldn’t feed of others. Jews are just the gypsies of high crime.
          Frankly, jews are the most parasitic group in the history of the world. I don’t like the anglo countries a whole lot, but I think that if their governments were radically changed and the media didn’t promote so much garbage then they could be reformed in to a largely peaceful and cultured group of people who didn’t want ot hurt others. I don’t think that such a thing could be accomplished with the jews. The jews have jew networks ( family, synagogue, etc) so any attmept to take out upper class jews would result in all jews fighting because they give the spoils of their globe-rape to each other. Even if they could be brought down, as soon as the boot was lifted they would be trying to recrete the same system as before. They’re hopeless. As, I said before I think that much of their parasitic nature was really developed in the last 1500 years or so. In biblical times they were probably just backstabbers like every other group of people in the levant.
          Sure, maybe I wouldn’t execute them all (just a bunch) if I was in power, but it sure as hell wouldn’t be a joyride.

        7. Gay Area Guy
          I have said I want Jews to stop meddling in other country’s affairs, at least if their going to identify as jews in the workplace. Keep your Jewish identity at home and the synagogue.

        8. @ Wade
          Where there’s a will, there’s a way. We just need the will.
          Of course, realistically speaking, I wouldn’t put it in these terms when introducing implicit whites to the Jewish Question.
          I would instead point out George Soros, Ben Shalom Bernanke, Abe Foxman, Alan Dershowitz, Lloyd Blankfein, etc.
          Sure, it might not do much to curb Jewish power, but it will make this country more hip to the Jewish Question. If you have a better solution, I’d like to hear it.

        9. “Germany is the rare case where the minorities have a case”
          Maybe and indigenous minority like the Sorbs in Germany or the Occitan speakers of France could have some speical consideration as far as cultural matters are concerned, but immigrant minoirties should not. Indigenous minorites are a lot different than immigrant minorities. Same in the US. Native Americans are a hell of a different case than mexicans are.

        10. “Sure, it might not do much to curb Jewish power, but it will make this country more hip to the Jewish Question. If you have a better solution, I’d like to hear it.”
          I don’t have a better suggestion. Sometimes in life it’s foolish to say what you really think or what your real intentions are, but this is the internet and no one really takes it that seriously anyway.

        11. “Of course, realistically speaking, I wouldn’t put it in these terms when introducing implicit whites to the Jewish Question. ”
          No, but some mention of the jewish question amongst those you know well might be effective. Sometimes, if you’re brave enough to bring the subject up you’d be surprised how receptive some are to some less radical ideas. No one in my family really feels the same way about jews as I do, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised to hear them say things like “jews are in everything for the jews alone” etc. They are from the baby boomer generation. They generally seem to be tolerant towards people who are not batshit crazy and they don’t want to hate others. That’s what really pisses me off. My dad talks about growing up around many jews and being friends. Those same jews and their buddies got into media and academia and basically started saying all sorts of nasty shit about people like him. The called him “the cancer of the world” and other garbage. The irony is of course that the jews are the true cancer of the world and have been for a very long time. They’re a tumor needs to be removed.

        12. “On second thoughts, maybe that internet ID Obama has in mind really is a good idea.”
          Typical kike mentality: It’s okay as long as long as the jews benefit. Otherwise it should be illeagal.
          The government probably already knows who all of us are anyway. As if they weren’t power hungry enough already, if you add the fact that most of them are kike-pawns you can see why they want to control everything.

        13. It could be anyone in a given household. In the workplace or at school they require you to have a password.
          I bend over backword for you. What more do you want.

        14. I bend over backword for you. What more do you want?
          You’re all right, GSG. I have no problem with you on a personal level.
          I must admit, even I’m a bit taken aback by some of Wade’s rhetoric.
          GSG, I don’t think you ought to kiss gentile ass or bend over backward. Do your thing.
          At the same time, as I’m sure you already do, just recognize that your tribe isn’t exactly loved on this blog, so don’t be surprised when less than flattering statements are made about them.

        15. Gay Area Guy
          I understand the sentiments expressed on this site even if I may not like them, but how do you think an outsider would react? Don’t you think this rhetoric is counterproductive?
          I don’t want to kiss gentile a$$, but I know what is good for my people and that is to stop relying on foreign aid and Hollyco$t reparations, stop playing the victim card, stop degrading other cultures, do not meddle in other affairs unless you keep your Jewish identity on the doorstep, and do not ask your host countries to do what you would not want Israel to do.

        16. “GSG, I don’t think you ought to kiss gentile ass or bend over backward.”
          That’s what she thinks everyone outght to do for her. She just said so.

        17. Don’t you think this rhetoric is counterproductive?
          Indeed. In fact, I’ve said this before, but I’m very surprised that this blog hasn’t yet been classified as a hate site and monitored by the ADL and other organizations.
          I don’t want to kiss gentile a$$, but I know what is good for my people and that is to stop relying on foreign aid and Hollyco$t reparations, stop playing the victim card, stop degrading other cultures, do not meddle in other affairs unless you keep your Jewish identity on the doorstep, and do not ask your host countries to do what you would not want Israel to do.
          Good thinking.
          In short, you fear what Benjamin Ginsberg would call the “fatal embrace”: Jews amass a great deal of power and influence through the state, but at the same time arouse the hatred and resentment of the masses.
          You seem to want to put an end to this.

        18. “I’m surprised this site has not been labelled a hate site by the ADL”
          That might actually be fun… We could all meet in Federal Prison 🙂

        19. @ GSG
          Hehe.
          If it were completely up to the ADL, they’d have a “offend a Jew, go to jail” law in the books.

        20. “Don’t you think this rhetoric is counterproductive?”
          Sure, but no one is going to be convinced by a commenter on an internet blog anyway. I may feels extreme sometimes and write something over the top, but that doesn’t mean I totally believe it. Sometimes internet histrionics are great fun. Sure some bad people might be motivated by them, but then most things would set a person like that off.
          Histrionics makes blogs fun. I’m the Vladimir Zhirinovsky of this blog you kike swine!!!

  27. America is the first empire in history to pay tribute to its satraps.
    Could not have said it better myself.
    The U.S. is one retarded empire, to be sure. We should be forcing countries like Israel and certain European countries to pay us, not the other way around.
    This country is running on fumes.

    1. “The U.S. is one retarded empire, to be sure. We should be forcing countries like Israel and certain European countries to pay us, not the other way around. ”
      If the peoples of europe actually had a choice I’m sure that they’d dump the US immediately. As far as Israel is concerned….nuke ’em.

    2. If the peoples of europe actually had a choice I’m sure that they’d dump the US immediately
      And they’d be right to do so.
      As far as Israel is concerned….nuke ‘em.
      Nah, I’ll leave that task to some other country. Maybe China.
      All I know is that once the U.S. empire goes down, Israel is done. Good luck trying to get China to be its new sugar daddy. If Israel thinks that China will put up with any of its BS in the arena of global power politics, it has another thing coming.

      1. I’m pretty sure Russia would also like to nuke the shit out of Israel. Revenge for the kikes who looted post-Soviet econoomy.

        1. Russian certainly don’t seem to be zionist friendly, but I don’t know if they’d like to nuke Israel. I read somewhere that after all the problems they’ve had with the Chechens, some have evolved a bit of sympathy for the jews. I don’t think that most people are really up for killing a lot of other people, but they jews just seem to drive people over the edge. Once they’ve completely fucked an area up and the local population reacts they go on a triade about how the local populace is just jealous and wants their money. It’s garbage. I don’t want their money at all. For all I care they can sell off all jew possesions in the US and give the money to afrcan children, just get the jews out.

      2. ” If Israel thinks that China will put up with any of its BS in the arena of global power politics, it has another thing coming.”
        Well, I read a few years ago that US diplomats were getting mad because Israel was selling a hi tech weapons system to China. I forgot the details though. I would not assume total hostility between China and Israel though, especially if the US withdraws from central asia and muslims start actin’ a fool even more than they are now.

        1. Fuck Israel. Despite all the shit we give them, they still backstab us.
          And Jews wonder why they’ve been distrusted and persecuted throughout history?

      3. China would not nuke Israel. They have no reason to, really. As long as no people try to ruin us we will leave them alone; and Anglo-Americans including.
        Generally speaking Chinese people are too intelligent to be tricked but they are excessively and ridiculously kind and lenient towards others.

  28. Wade, do you know how exactly the Arabs and jews became two distinct ethnicites? I find it amazing how the only two remaining Semitic peoples are total enemeies. All the other Semites were Arabaized I assume.

    1. “Wade, do you know how exactly the Arabs and jews became two distinct ethnicites?”
      No, but it had to be early in history. There used to be several semitic peoples in that area before the arab conquest. I don’t know if they could have ever been considered to be the same people. Maybe in the proto-semitic days?
      ” I find it amazing how the only two remaining Semitic peoples are total enemeies”
      They aren’t the only semitic peoples left. The maltese are semites. There are some small local semetic languages in Yemen that have held out. Don’t forget the Berbers either. Also, Coptic and Amharic are still used as liturgical languages. If you broaden you scope to the afroasiatc family there are even more. Also, I don’t really know if I would count hebrew as a traditional semitic language. It is reconstructed and is very different that ancient hebrew from what I’ve heard.
      “All the other Semites were Arabaized I assume”
      Pretty much, though I’ve heard that spoken Lebenese Arabic has many syriac elements in it.

      1. An alternative explanation for the separation of Jews and Arabs.
        Long, long ago there was a civilisation called Egypt, and a book called the bible relates that there was an “exodus” of jews, from that civilisation.
        The jews tell everyone that the purpose was to escape oppression.
        Whereas an Egyptian of the times says that they were expelled, because they had taken over that civilisation by subversion and incurred the wrath of of the populace by favouring their own at the expense of the Egyptians.
        They were “outlawed” a term used frequently nowadays which has lost its meaning. To be “outlawed” was tantamount to a death sentence, for human beings on their own, or even in very small groups have great difficulty in surviving. Not only that, but should anyone from civilisation encounter such people, then they were at full liberty to kill them, if they could.
        As one goes through the Old Testament, one is struck that the Egyptian view may have a certain weight to it… the wandering of the wilderness….in search of the promised land….living in tents…. the persecution mind-set…….the pejorative remarks directed at other peoples.
        Maybe the Old Testament is an outlaw’s handbook?
        And it does give a plausible explanation for the difference between ancient Jew and Arab.(note, not applicable to most modern Jews who originate from somewhere else)

        1. “Long, long ago there was a civilisation called Egypt, and a book called the bible relates that there was an “exodus” of jews, from that civilisation.”
          Sure, but there was also a place called the Ur of Chaldees where Abraham, “the first jew”, is said to have been from. That occured before their time in Egypt.

  29. @Wade
    I thought Berbers were Hamitic rather than Semites, although its still Afro-Asiatic? If jews are really who they say they are, they should be genetically closest to Palestinians right? But they are closer to Turks, Kurds, Armenians.
    @BAG
    You said jews should be anywhere except Western coutries right? Are you saying its all right for them to move to China and fuck up East Asia?

      1. You really have no conscience do you? Do you really have to fuck the yellow race as well? Why must the oldest and continuous civilization come under your filthy tribe’s control?

        1. “That’s quite a claim.”
          No, it’s not. China started grain agriculture in 8,500 BC or earlier, and not even 10% of China is excavated yet.

        2. ” oldest and continuous civilization ”
          Seems debatable. It’s certainly old. I think a lot of it depends on what you’re calling civilization. Many would associate it with writing, but the Incas had no writing. Neither did the people who built skara brae or other sites in northern europe. I think I would classify both of those groups as civilized, or at least not totally primitive. Of course, Mesopotamian civilization and Harappan civilization are quite old. Very old sites have been found in south america as well.
          The most questionable part is continuity. What are you considering continuity? Other than the dissapperance of the native americans in north america and the aborigines in australia most areas have been continously occupied to some degree or another. Anatolia has been occupied and highly civilized for millenia. It still shows signs of civilization today despite the best efforts of the turks. Of course China has been continuosly occupied, but how is that different from most places? Also, how many chinese rulers were actually chinese? Off the top of my head I know that the Yuan dynasty and the Qing dynasty were not of Chinese origin. Of course, you could be talking aobut east asia in general and I know even less detailed info about the history of the rest of the area than I do about China. China seems to be stable, but they’re not the only ones. If you take the begining of the roman empire from the ascension of julius caesar in 27 BC and extend it to the fall of the eastern roman empire in 1453 (1461 if you count the Empire of Trebizond as a successor) you get a period of 1480 years ( of1488 years). The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation lasted from 962 to 1806 (844 years). If you see Charlemagne as a progenitor then it can be extended to the year 800 when charlemagne was crownd emperor of the romans. So add 162 years. (1006 years) Of course you certainly could not do that with a clean conscience. The british monarchs have also be around quite a long time. If i remember correctly they trace their lineage to egbert who ruled in the 800s, so that’s a span of around 1200 years. Whether or not you could claim their rule as totally continuous is up to you.
          I’m sure there is continuity in many other parts of the world. I know that the ethiopian monarchy was around for a damn long time before it was deposed in the 1970s ( or 1960s?). China surely has had dynasties who ruled continuously for long periods of time, but the impression that some multiculturalists want us to have of chinese government being constant for 8000 years is just wrong. Cultural continiuty would make more sense. It just depends on your definition of continuity and the specific thing you’re calling continuous.

        3. North China has been “racially” continuous for at least 8,000, 10,000 years. That’s one of the main things, absent from mainstream discourse, which convinces me.
          Few other places on the planet can claim to have been more or less genetically the same for the last ten millennia. In fact I can’t really think of any aside from maybe Basque Country and the Australian Aborigines, but the Basques have been radically changed in terms of genetic make-up.

        4. Wade
          He was referring to continuity of a culture not continuity of occupation.
          Egypt had the longest history of any nation.

        5. Likewise having foreign rulers didn’t fundamentally change the Chinese people (blood, language). The state remained overwhelmingly Chinese, with many foreign rulers rejecting their own culture voluntarily or through pressure. One such group even completely banned their own culture and language and forced all of their people to marry Northern Chinese. The new “mixed” court was slaughtered almost entirely by defectors who refused to let go, however, leaving North China pure.

        6. “Egypt had the longest history of any nation.”
          That assumes that 1) the Egyptians are the same race they’ve always been 2) their culture was completely indigenous and not borrowed in part from the Sumerians
          Furthermore their culture has been so radically altered (language, religion, culture) that the integrity of such continuous nationhood is doubtful at best.
          Lastly there are many other regions of the world which produced “writing” or proto-writing which is being analyzed and excavated today.

        7. “North China has been “racially” continuous for at least 8,000, 10,000 years. That’s one of the main things, absent from mainstream discourse, which convinces me.”
          Sure the bulk of the ancestry may have come from people who were there, but that does not mean that there is not any outside contribution. For example, Anatolia is almost completely turkish speaking now, but only a small amount of turkish ancestry comes from the central asians. the language came in through elite dominance.
          “Few other places on the planet can claim to have been more or less genetically the same for the last ten millennia.”
          Actually, I think many, maybe most, outside of the americas can. Most invaders, especially nomads, do not take large populaces with them on their conquests. Also, I think being descended from a group is more important than total genetic purity. The maltese have been conquered many times and have some mixture with other nations, but they still retain descent from the original settlers. Mixing and assimilating a conquering populace or melding with them is a lot different than being replaced by one. Mexico would be a good example. They have some spanish ancestry, but its pretty obvious that they are the descendants of the indigenous mesoamericans (but no the original southwesterners).
          ” 2) their culture was completely indigenous and not borrowed in part from the Sumerians”
          What’s wrong with borrowing a good idea? Is China going to reject Calculus or quantum mechanics because of their foreign origin?
          “Furthermore their culture has been so radically altered (language, religion, culture) that the integrity of such continuous nationhood is doubtful at best.”
          It all depends on your concept of nationalty. I think that a populace that takes foreign influence for whatever reason is, in most cases, still the same people. For example, over the millenia, the welsh language has been altered by the romans and english incursions into the area and today many even speak english as a first language, but it would be foolish too say that the welsh are not part of the same nation of their ancestors. Much the same could be said for Ireland. The exception comes when a people radically rejects their own ancestors and tries to destroy the previous culture. The anatolian turks are a good example of this. the are descended from many ancient anatolian peoples (including greeks and armenians) yet they seem to hate them. They destoy greek and roman structures as well as armenian cemetaries. They have rejected the bulk of their ancestry.

        8. Gay State Girl
          “Ancient Egypt had been a sovereign country 1000 years before China.”
          Egypt didn’t even exist when proto-writing, sericulture, rammed earth architecture, agriculture, etc emerged in North China.
          If you really believe that China was just a cultural black hole until 1,800 when suddenly thousands of logographs appeared (dwarfing the Egyptian script in its most mature phase by several times) you are on crack.
          The real answer is that China is just not excavated yet. Self-fellating Europeans already overturned every single inch of the ME in a futile search for ancient extraterrestrial “Aryans”.

        9. Wade
          “Sure the bulk of the ancestry may have come from people who were there, but that does not mean that there is not any outside contribution.”
          It’s virtually non-existent. iirc Anatolia has at least 14% “foreign” contribution excluding their pre-Turkic Greek component (which is not native Anatolian). North China’s is 1-3%, the least in East Asia and most of the world- if you discount all those areas which were so mixed to begin with that we don’t know what belongs and what doesn’t, they are the least mixed non-Amerind race.
          It’s valid to say that culture and blood are unrelated, but in that case then China’s 10,500+ years of agriculture put them on par with the Middle East ahead of everyone else.
          The degree of assimilation of outside ideas, foreign contribution to the gene pool, level of civilization and sophistication, and the “dates” by which various markers of civilization are attested for favor North China in very detailed debates that boils down to nitpicking on obscure facts.
          All in all it’s an interesting discussion but if GSG wants to start a laughable dick-beating contest about who is older than who, North China and the Sino-Tibetans win hands down.

        10. “excluding their pre-Turkic Greek component (which is not native Anatolian). ”
          You can question whether or not the greek component is native. Many would say that the greeks intermingled to a degree with the already existing populace. However, it is clear that much of the pre-turkic anatolian population did not speak greek. Many spoke non-greek indo-european languages. Some in the southeast spoke semitic languages. Hittian, the language there before hittite, has not been placed in a family because of lack of knowledge. It might be IE, but it might not. (This last piece of info may be outdated though.) I’m not sure, but I believe that the isaurian language also has not been put into any other family. The point is that the population of anatolia definitley has continuity with some foreign (or rather later arriving) admixture.

        11. One claim I’ve heard is that the Greeks splintered off of the Anatolian population and that Anatolia is where proto-Indo-European originated from.

        12. “Europeans already overturned every single inch of the ME ”
          Not true. Many sites in Anatolia that are known have not been totally excavated yet. Also, there are most definitely unknown sites that have not been excavated. Many times archaelogical sites are found by accident. Many times things are discovered while excavating to build things like subways and other infrastructure. Sometimes, unknown things are just stumbled upon, and not all are in the mediterranean.
          For example, these were discovered by accident:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascaux
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skara_Brae

        13. “One claim I’ve heard is that the Greeks splintered off of the Anatolian population and that Anatolia is where proto-Indo-European originated from”
          I’ve heard a lot abou the idea that indo-european originated in Anatolia, but I’ve never heard the idea about the Greeks splintering off from them directly. I guess it would make some since because the latin/germanic/celtic/etc indo-european languages in europe are supposed to be more closely related to each other than to greek indicating and earlier break off of greek. I’m no expert though.

    1. “I thought Berbers were Hamitic rather than Semites, although its still Afro-Asiatic? ”
      I believe that hamitic is an obsolete name for the afroasiatic family of languages. I may be wrong about the berbers being semites though. I know that at least they’re in the afroasiatic family for sure and I’m pretty sure that they’re semites.

    2. China doesn’t really work that way. They are extremely nice until it becomes obvious you are trying to fuck them over. When they get mad, they get really mad. Turks, Arabs, Jews, Persians etc were slaughtered wholesale for usury, slaving and other abuse of the local population several times in history.

      1. Turks, Arabs, Jews, Persians etc were slaughtered wholesale for usury, slaving and other abuse of the local population several times in history.
        Wouldn’t that have applied also to other Han Chinese at some points in history..? (Maybe that’s the .etc part..) Overall I haven’t heard much persecution of Jews by Chinese.. although some were made leave after the revolution in 1949.

        1. Not really. Anglo-American cunts like to cherry pick and exaggerate. The level of forced labor and slavery in China was arguably the lowest in the world for all of history among major civilizations, and if you include foreigners and non-citizens arbitrarily ascribed subhuman status by the state and people they are and remain the least abusive of all nations/civilizations at almost all points in history.
          The slave population never really exceeded 1% in Chinese history, and the vast majority of these were foreigners and criminals. The spread of wealth has likewise been far more egalitarian, living standards mostly higher, discrimination far less prevalent, etc.
          And don’t buy the canard that China did not need slavery because of a large population- China’s population was stable at around 20-25% of the world with Europe and India each taking another 20-25% share- the rest was largely in the Middle East. i.e East Eurasia was outnumbered 2-3:1 by West Eurasia for most of human history, which is a huge disadvantage.

      2. ” They are extremely nice until it becomes obvious you are trying to fuck them over”
        that actually sounds a lot like what people say about germanic countries.

        1. The difference here I’d say is that China typically has a much higher threshold for tolerance, but when it’s time for backlash, the reprisals are much more fierce, sustained and systematic.
          As an example, the Jie, a disgusting and subhuman tribe of savages occupying China, was virtually exterminated in North China after decades of abuse of the locals.
          There were around 300,000 of them, and iirc 200,000 of them were slaughtered within the span of a few months, almost all of the rest were killed or driven away in subsequent years.

        2. Just a fun example from history, and my memory is a little hazy, but basically the Chinese commander stormed their main city and took the palace.
          When it was laid siege to by the Jie armies, they employed a tactic of trying to starve out the Chinese rebels. Ran Min then ordered the slaughter of the wives and children of the Jie and ate them, eventually pushed out of the city center and started week long massacres of every single foreigner and mixed-race individual (in which basically every single Han citizen took part, including children and women).
          There was a pile of a few hundred thousand corpses outside the city walls.
          Glorious. Would do it again in a heartbeat.

        3. Haux you can say that for a lot of countries, its too bad you didn’t tell us stories about how the Han Chinese got slaughtered hilariously by the Mongols

    3. If jews are really who they say they are, they should be genetically closest to Palestinians right?
      Many of the Middle Eastern Jews map pretty close to the Druze…and why shouldn’t Jew map more closely to Palestinians than Kurds or Armenians since a large majority fled or were killed off by the Romans.

  30. I hope the CCP is on full guard against these disgusting parasites. By the way kike cunt, what civilization do you have, other than a shitty, irrelevant desert kingdom that was constantly getting its ass kicked by Egyptians, Romans, Assyrians etc.

  31. Wade, I’m not surprised Gay State Bitch is a cruel, remorseless hag, like the rest of her tribe. It’s just that even a shrewd anti-Semite such as myself am taken aback by the chutzpah of declaring that they are going to find a new host to parasite off of after the former one is dry.

    1. ” It’s just that even a shrewd anti-Semite such as myself am taken aback by the chutzpah of declaring that they are going to find a new host to parasite off of after the former one is dry.”
      i doubt that they jews will infest china though, or india for that matter. They like being in areas where there are abrahamic religions, especially protestant christianity.
      Personally I think that they story of jesus should be used to inform the world about the jews. In the past people have said that they killed him, which is untrue. The significant part is that when the jewish crowd was given a choice of prisoners to release they chose Barabbas over Jesus. They chose a thief over an innocent man. That pretty much sums it up for me.

      1. Wade
        I’ve always been drawn to Hinduism, as Hindus believe higher deities incorporate both good and evil.

        1. Huax
          I see religion as a lifestyle rather than a belief system. I grew up modern orthodox jewish, and while we had to follow a strict code of laws, no one forced me to believe any religious theology. Synagogue was more of a social event.

    2. @ FPY
      Generally, I think GSG is all right. As she herself said, she’s probably the most reasonable Jew you’ll ever meet.
      Now, you may argue that that’s not saying much, but I’ve always regarded her as pretty reasonable.
      I think she recognizes that her fellow Jews are full of shit.

  32. To Wade:
    The significant part is that when the jewish crowd was given a choice of prisoners to release they chose Barabbas over Jesus. They chose a thief over an innocent man. That pretty much sums it up for me.
    Do you get worked up over the burning of witches by Christians hundreds of years ago..? How about the Crusades when Crusaders sacked Jerusalem and in a later Crusades sacked Constantinople..?

    1. “Do you get worked up over the burning of witches by Christians hundreds of years ago..?”
      Of course not. If we had wiped out the proto-emos back then we wouldn’t have some many problems now.
      “How about the Crusades when Crusaders sacked Jerusalem”
      I don’t know. Probably not anymore worked up than the muslims were when they attacked and took these lands.
      ” and in a later Crusades sacked Constantinople..?”
      There’s a price for being a schismatic. God hates you….but not as much as he hates protestants……or jews……or muslims……..god doesn’t really have an opinion about hindus…….except that they stink

  33. The significant part is that when the jewish crowd was given a choice of prisoners to release they chose Barabbas over Jesus.
    If you ever worked the Borscht belt.. then you would know that Jews can be tough to please.

  34. To BAG:
    I must admit, even I’m a bit taken aback by some of Wade’s rhetoric.
    Wade’s pissed because I fucked his mom and accidently burned down his dope field.
    Wade.. I formally apologize for fucking your mom.. we dropped some ecstasy together and things just got weird.
    Or perhaps Wade is trying to out anti-semite fpy3p and Heg. If so he has his work cut out for him.

    1. “Wade.. I formally apologize for fucking your mom.. we dropped some ecstasy together and things just got weird. ”
      Oh wow, mom fucking. I’d ask if you’re 13, but since you seem like a jew you’re probably 666.

      1. Or perhaps Wade is trying to out anti-semite fpy3p and Heg. If so he has his work cut out for him.
        I think most commenters on this site are anti-Semites to some degree (or at least a lot).
        But I’d say that Heg takes the cake.

      2. To Wade:
        I’d ask if you’re 13
        That’s my shoe size since you’re asking…. when you make whacked out anti-semitic comments… I feel obliged to respond in kind.

  35. Oh wow, mom fucking.
    You have an issue with MILFs..?
    but since you seem like a jew you’re probably 666.
    668, the neighbor of the beast. My Dad converted to Christianity.
    But seriously.. your anti-semitic comments seem really over the top. I assumed you were joking , since many of your comments seem at least well thought out… but maybe not.

    1. ” I assumed you were joking ”
      Yes, I was joking most of the time. However, I do hold some positions that many would consider “anti-semitic”, such as the idea that the jews are AT LEAST partly responsible for many of the things done to them.

      1. Kevin Macdonald would agree with you. His theories pertaining to Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy were most illuminating. He might be pretty fail as an activist, but as an academic, he’s something else.

  36. People that study IQ like Richard Lynn puporsely decrease african iq south of the sahara. My white dad did a study on IQ In ghana where my mum is from and tested university students, ordinary citizens and so on. His survey had 300,000 people in it and found the average to be more like 98 not 71.

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