Best Explanation Yet For the Holodomor

Repost from the old site.
First of all, we really ought to note that there was no “Holodomor” as the Ukrainian nationalists and Ukrainian Nazis have it. According to them, there was a man-made famine in the Ukraine in 1932 and 1933 that led to 6 million Ukrainians dying.
The harvest was excellent, but the evil Stalinists confiscated all of the grain to starve the people due to their resistance to collectivization. This is the view that Americans have been fed their entire lives by the controlled US propaganda media (There is no free press of any consequence in the USA).
Most historians now completely reject the notion that the USSR intentionally starved anyone to death in order to punish them for resisting the state’s directives. There was a famine in 1933, and it continued for a few years afterward, but it extended over most of the USSR and was not confined to the Ukraine. The government was not happy about the famine and took severe measures to curtail it.
Most died of disease after being weakened by famine, not of starvation itself. Poor decisions were made by the state, but historically, this is often the case during famines. One can argue that the famine was caused by state policies, in particular an effort to jump-start collectivization and do it very rapidly.
A similar effort in China in 1959-1962 also caused a famine and led to 15 million deaths, again, mostly from disease. There seems to be a pattern of too-rapid collectivization of agriculture causing disastrous famines in Communist countries (something similar happened during Pol Pot’s reign).
There was also an armed struggle going on, with bands of kulaks taking up arms against party officials, collective farms and farmers, etc. In the course of this armed struggle, the state killed 390,000 people, mostly Ukrainians. If you want to call this mass murder or genocide or whatever, you’re entitled to do that, but that’s not what the Holodomor crowd is arguing.
Also, there was widespread sabotage in the USSR around this time, mostly in the Ukraine again, whereby those resisting cultivation destroyed 50% of the livestock in the USSR and a good part of the grain crop too.
The reasons for the famine and the story of the famine itself are quite complex and go beyond the scope of this post. For now, this review by Mark Tauger of a recent book by Davies and Wheatcroft perhaps sums up the famine in the USSR during this period to the best of our knowledge. Instead of summarizing this complicated review, I will just link to it and let you go read it yourself.
On a related note, it appears that the Ukrainian Nazis (Holodomor crowd) have taken over an article called “Holodomor Denial” and pretty much ruined it. Most of the people accused of being Holodomor Deniers do acknowledge that there was a famine in the USSR during this period that killed at least 1 million people.
Walter Duranty, the famous New York Times columnist, acknowledged at least 3 million deaths from famine. Douglas Tottle, Mario Sousa and Jeff Conlon, all supposedly Holodomor Deniers according to this outrageously biased article, all agreed that from 1-2 million died of a famine in the USSR during this period.
The reason the Ukrainian Nazis have even come up with the phrase Holodomor Denial is to parrot the Jews’ Holocaust Denial. The Holodomor was given that name in the late 1980’s by Ukrainian nationalists in Canada, most of whom supported the Nazis and often fought beside them in WW2. Anti-Semitism and Holocaust Denial are rampant amongst these fascist supporters.
Just to show you how wicked Wikipedia is, take a look at the talk page for the article. The talk page was taken over by Ukrainian Nazis, I mean Holodomorists. Check out this entry.
The person who wrote that, Jeff Peters, was subsequently permanently banned from working on Wikipedia merely for opposing the Ukrainian Nazis’ Holodomor lies. Here is his talk page with all the dirty details. Looks like he was also a supporter of Hezbollah and the Palestinians and ran afoul of the Wikipedia Jews.
This is par for the course on Wikipedia. Most articles on Communism are seriously ruined by the Wikipedia Cabal. The Cabal, which takes orders from Jimmy Wales himself, is heavily loaded with libertarians who are quite hostile to any kind of socialism or social justice.
Jimmy Wales himself is a wild and extreme libertarian who argued that the federal government should not have lifted one finger to help the Hurricane Katrina victims in any way.
It’s amazing that not one single article in the “US free press” about Wikipedia or its corrupt founder has ever mentioned the extreme corruption and intellectual dishonesty at Wikipedia, the propaganda cabals that are allowed to run amok, or even Wales’ own extreme political views themselves. A free press in the US? It would be a great idea!
Was there famine? Yes. Was there a Holodomor? No.
The most responsible estimate of deaths due to the famine range from 1.5-6 million over a few years across much of the USSR.
It is interesting that in private correspondence, Robert Conquest, who for decades insisted that the famine was intentional (his view is now the received wisdom on the subject in the West) admitted in private correspondence with Davies and Wheatcroft that the famine was not intentional.
It’s truly sad that what is now regarded as settled fact among responsible historians is still regarded as wild, unheard-of propaganda in much of the West. But then we get back to that wonderful American “free press” again, right?

References

Coplon, Jeff. January 12, 1988. In Search of a Soviet Holocaust. The Village Voice. Douglas Furr’s website.
Coplon, Jeff. March 1988. Rewriting History – How Ukrainian Nationalists Imposed Their Doctored History on High School Students CAPITAL Region. Douglas Furr’s website.
Davies, R. W. and Wheatcroft, Steven G. 2004. The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931-1933. New York: Palgrave Macmillan.
Souza, Mario. Lies Concerning the History of the Soviet Union. North Star Compass website.
Tauger, Mark B. 1991. The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933. Slavic Review 50:1, pp. 70-89.
Tottle, Douglas. 1987. Fraud, Famine, and Fascism: the Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard. Toronto: Progress Books.
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28 thoughts on “Best Explanation Yet For the Holodomor”

  1. Great stuff. Great source list. The link in the text to the Mark Tauger review gets a ‘site not found’. I’ve searched with Wayback Machine for a cached copy with no joy either.

  2. “The reason the Ukrainian Nazis have even come up with the phrase Holodomor Denial is to parrot the Jews’ Holocaust Denial”
    Are you saying that the Ukrainian Nazis believe in a “holohoax”?

  3. The world has learned nothing from the Shoah (Holocaust). Witness Cambodia, Bosnia, Rwanda and Darfur. Humanity is only too happy to continue its path of destruction and genocide.
    Virtually every History PhD in the free world will stake his or her career on known Holocaust facts. Despite this, Holocaust deniers ply their mendacious poison everywhere, especially with young people on the Internet. We must tell the true story of the perpetrators of genocide, revealing the terror, humiliation and degradation resulting from such blind loathing and prejudice. We must disclose the cruelty and horror of genocide to combat the deniers’ virulent and inaccurate historical revision. By doing this, we protect vulnerable future generations from making the same mistakes.
    Whenever we stand up to those who deny or minimize genocide we send a critical message to the world. As we continue to live in an age of genocide and ethnic cleansing, we must repel the broken ethics of our ancestors, or risk a dreadful repeat of past transgressions. If not through genocide awareness and Holocaust education, then how? A world that continues to allow genocide requires ethical remediation.
    We must show the world that religious, racial, ethnic and gender persecution is wrong; and that tolerance is our progeny’s only hope. Only through such efforts can we reveal the true horror of genocide and promote the triumphant spirit of humankind.
    Charles Weinblatt
    Jacob’s Courage
    http://jacobscourage.wordpress.com/

    1. @cweinblatt
      Bosnia? LOL!
      If you are talking about the western supported genocide and Islamic terrorism against the Serbs not the bogus atrocity stories (couldn’t convict Milosevic for a single charge so they had to kill him) that have now been debunked and false flag terror attacks by the Muslim government.
      http://rpc.senate.gov/releases/1997/iran.htm
      http://www.srpska-mreza.com/guest/triangle/blowback-Iran.html
      As for Rwanda new evidence suggests just as many Hutu and Tutsi were killed and speculation of western hands that sparked it.
      This myth is also incompatible with basic population numbers. As we first reported elsewhere [25], and will now repeat here (see Table 1, below), the official 1991 census of Rwanda determined the country’s ethnic breakdown to be 91.1% Hutu, 8.4% Tutsi, 0.4% Twa, and 0.1% “other.” Thus out of Rwanda’s 1991 population of 7,099,844 persons, Rwanda’s minority Tutsi population was 596,387, compared to a majority Hutu population of 6,467,958. Additionally, as Davenport and Stam point out in their Miller-McCune article, the Tutsi survivors organization IBUKA claimed that “about 300,000 Tutsi survived the 1994 slaughter”—a number which means that “out of the 800,000 to 1 million believed to have been killed then, more than half were Hutu”. [26] In fact, it is highly likely that far more than half of those killed in Rwanda during the April-July 1994 period were Hutu; and of course after the RPF seized state power in July, Hutu deaths inside both Rwanda and later the DRC continued unabated for another decade-and-a-half.
      Cambodia Khmer Rogue forces were aligned with the US during Vietnam.
      Darfur that conflict is being sparked by outside protagonist Israel, Britain and the US since the 80’s when oil was discovered in the region with the main rebel leaders being trained at Fort Benning, Georgia with weapons being smuggled in by Israeli linked arms dealers.
      http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Geopolitics___Eurasia/Oil_in_Africa/oil_in_africa.html
      During the Ossetian conflict it was discovered that Mossad was smuggling Ukrainian weapons through a front company in Ukraine when Somali pirate intercepted and hijacked the Ukrainian vessel “Faina”,
      http://rt.com/news/hijacked-ukrainian-vessel-was-breaking-embargo/

    2. John Sack is a jew.
      =============
      Both 60 Minutes and The New York Times have corroborated what Sack wrote: that late in World War II, thousands of Jews sought revenge for the Holocaust.
      They set up 1,255 concentration camps for German civilians—German men, women, children and babies. There they beat, whipped, tortured and murdered the Germans.
      The real-life people in An Eye for an Eye are Jews like Shlomo (left) who turned the Holocaust upside-down.
      http://www.johnsack.com/an_eye_for_an_eye_2.htm

    3. so let me guess, first the Soviets denied it ever happened , finally till 1988 over 50 Years after the deaths, now it is not unique to find starvation in Ukraine – a breadbasket- may you finally find your way to the truth – it was a man made famine – your commentary is in the finest tradition of Walter Duranty

  4. @Robert Lindsay
    Why are they complaining about what happened in Ukraine for over 8 1/2 million people were killed in the American Holomodor between 1931-40.
    “First, if you believe American statistics, in the 10 years from 1931 to 1940, 8,553,000 people were lost. And what is interesting is that the numbers of increase in population change at one point by 2 times – exactly at the border between 1930/31. They fall and freeze at this level for 10 years. And just as suddenly, a decade later, they climb back up. No explanation for this is found in the extensive report of the US Department of commerce’s “Statistical Abstract of the United States”. Even thought it is full of comments on other less significant issues.”
    http://rt.com/news/prime-time/where-did-americas-missing-millions-go-holodomor-lessons/
    http://rt.com/s/swf/player.swf?file=http://rt.com/files/news/prime-time/millions-of-people-vanished-in-us-historian/4900348e84e0d.flv&image=http://rt.com/files/news/prime-time/millions-of-people-vanished-in-us-historian/490041d4b8451.n.jpg&skin=http://developer.longtailvideo.com/trac/changeset/643/skins/beelden?old_path=%2F&provider=http&abouttext=Russia%20Today&aboutlink=http://rt.com&autostart=true

    1. I thought the embedded link on the RT ite dshw the video here.
      Anyway I found the YouTube video for the interview posted above.
      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFJGr1qYiww&fs=1&hl=en_GB]

  5. Wow. Great stuff, John. That’s a real eye-opener, though I’d had suspicions about this. The USA is just one evil, vicious society. That was perceptive about the US bureau of statistics. You can bet your ass the jews have got their people in there, covering their tracks about jewish immigration (esp. WWII) and keeping tabs on any studies that could be used to establish that they’re engaging in racist recruitment practices everywhere they get a toehold.
    Essential on Rwanda, and the rest of what you mentioned above, is the recent book by Edward S. Herman and David Peterson ‘ the Politics of Genocide’, which studies the selective use of the term ‘genocide’ for propaganda purposes.

    1. It is interesting towards the end he mentions converting food to petroleum (ethanol) like they do in Brazil and the impact that has had/will have on population growth as a result in increase food prices.
      I wonder how many people died when it was briefly implemented by lobbying of Gore ( those father made his fortune being finance by Soviet financier Armand Hammar whose daughter is married to Jacob Schiffs great grandson) when food prices had risen and there where protests in Africa.

  6. Zyklon-B is a NON-lethal bugspray.
    At this point, nearly everyone is deliberately (mis)led to the (false) conclusion that Jews were exterminated by gas chambers.
    That this conclusion is false, is clear, if you are aware of the universally agreed fact, that there were no extermination camps in Germany. Even the extremist, Simon Wiesenthal, admitted this (in a letter to the respected British periodical Books and Bookmen, April 1975, p5, where he says “there were no extermination camps on German soil…”). No historian, Jew or otherwise, any longer claims that there were extermination camps in Germany (the Jew historians still claim that there were extermination camps, but now they claim that they were all located in Poland).

    In fact, the other causes have long been known, but hidden by the Jews. Generally, the Germans managed to adequately feed the prisoners of the concentration camps, even with the transport system under sustained attack. Many photos are available which show thousands of reasonably well-fed prisoners. For example, this photo from Dachau (taken on liberation):
    http://thy-weapon-of-war.blogspot.com/2008/12/no-extermination-camps-on-german-soil.html

  7. The jews did this.
    ===========
    The reason for the notoriety is the author’s conclusion that Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, as head of the American occupation of Germany in 1945, deliberately starved to death German prisoners of war in staggering numbers. Mr. Bacque charges that “the victims undoubtedly number over 800,000, almost certainly over 800,000 and quite likely over a million. Their deaths were knowingly caused by army officers who had sufficient resources to keep the prisoners alive.”
    Eisenhower’s method, according to Mr. Bacque, was simple: he changed the designation of the prisoners from “Prisoners of War” (P.O.W.), required by the Geneva Convention to be fed the same rations as American G.I.’s, to “Disarmed Enemy Forces” (D.E.F.), which allowed him to cut their rations to starvation level. Mr. Bacque says the D.E.F. were also denied medical supplies and shelter. They died by the hundreds of thousands. Their deaths were covered up on Army records by listing them as “other looses” on charts showing weekly totals of prisoners on hand, numbers discharged and so forth.
    http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/b/bacque-james/ambrose-001.html

  8. Douglas Tottle and Jeff Coplon’s work is dated and has been discredited since even before the collapse of the USSR, when the Ukrainian Party Secretary Scherbitsky admitted the famine for the first time. When a Ukrainian party official (CC Secretary Terekhov) reported on the famine to the Politburo, Stalin called it a fairy tale. He denied there was a famine and he refused international help. He dumped twice as much grain on the world market as in previous years to buy machinery. You yourself admitted that there was a famine. Refusal of a head-of-state to do anything about it — well, that’s just cold, calculated murder.

    1. They did do something about it, but on the other hand, they also denied international aid. At first, there was disbelief that there was a famine, but reality sunk in pretty fast. A huge number of Russians very sympathetic to the state were also killed. There was no deliberate genocide against the Ukrainians. There was just a tragedy, but a lot of it was caused by the kulaks.
      The kulaks killed 50% of the livestock in the USSR.
      The Ukrainians organized an insurgency, attacking collective farms, killing workers there, raping women, and burning and destroying crops. They harvested many crops and left them out in the rain to mold and rot. They attacked grain storage areas and destroyed the grain. They set fields on fire. For this reason, the state had to come in and grab the crops to keep the Ukrainians from starving the whole country.

  9. “Poor decisions were made by the state?” The government wasn’t *happy* about the famine? Really? What are your sources? The government was trying to destroy peasants who resisted collectivization. Famine could be just as effective as bullets. After all, they felt justified by their revolutionary fervor. The peasants preferred to kill their livestock and consume it rather than hand their property over to the Party. They were “wreckers” and counter-revolutionaries.” The OGPU moved in, took whatever food was left, and let nature take its course. It was a win-win for Comrade Stalin: he sold the grain overseas, bought new machinery for his new factories, his labor force swelled with peasants fleeing from famine-stricken areas, and the rest of his peasant enemies were dead. No man, no problem. Best of all, he could run propaganda and deny, deny, deny. And he knew that long after he was dead, he could count on useful idiots like you to keep defending him.

    1. There was no terror famine. Almost all historians now agree with this. Even Robert Conquest says there was no terror famine. It never happened. 1 million died of famine in Siberia alone. Many people died in Moscow. The urban workers and the army had to be fed. Most died of disease anyway, not starvation. The pre antibiotic age.

  10. There was no famine? That’s a flat-out lie, Robert. Tell that to my grandfather. He watched grandparents, cousins, aunts and uncles die of starvation. My great-grandfather was able to save his family by obtaining occasional loaves of cheap bread through a black market connection. I knew another guy at church who told me that he survived by eating squirrels and taking eggs of out bird’s nests. As for “all historians,” you’ve only been able to cite Tottle, Davies and Wheatcroft (Coplon isn’t even a historian. The first two as been discredited, and the last two are outside of the mainstream. They omit the numerous eyewitness accounts of starvation, grain requisitions, conversations between party officials, and denial. For accurate information, I recommend Robert Service or Simon Sebag Montefiore.

    1. There was no “terror famine.” The harvest completely collapsed that year. There was a famine harvest in the USSR. The collapse was worst of all in the Ukraine and in the Volga, where Russians who supported the regime lived, but it was throughout the country. There was more death in the Ukraine and the Volga because that’s where the famine harvest was worst of all.
      There was no Holodomor! Never happened.

      1. Was there ever a soviet premier elected by the people? Why was East Germany called a democratic republic? Why were people shot trying to jump the wall? Were the gulags also someone’s imagination?
        People around the world know the long list of deceits and terrors the Soviets commited. Walt Duranty, American Communist journalist, reported there wasn’t even a natural famine. Malcom Muggeridge called him ‘the biggest liar ever’. MM reported about the ‘Artificial Famine’. 25 countries recognize the famine, and 13 of them see it as deliberate genocide. I think that number will increase since the Holodymor publicity is fairly new.
        Canada was to air the movie “Harvest of Despair” on tv. But in the last minute was cancelled. Guess freedom of speech doesn’t work all the time.

      2. why don’t you address the eye – witnesses to these deaths – by the way “the Ukraine” went out of usage about 10 years ago

  11. O.K. the whole “Holodomor being made up by Ukrainian Nationalists and Hitlerite-fascists” is a colossal load of crap-seriously.
    Raphael Lemkin-a Polish Jew (good luck trying to make a Hitlerite-fascist connection there!) and sometimes referred to as “the father of the United Nations Genocide Convention” acknowledged firsthand that the Holodomor was a deliberate genocide. He wrote “Soviet Genocide in Ukraine” in 1953.
    http://www.uccla.ca/SOVIET_GENOCIDE_IN_THE_UKRAINE.pdf
    As for the Kulaks causing the famine-easy as pie. You forget that the Collectivization program WAS NOT something that was a choice (unlike the New Deal which was)-it was compulsory, and that is why they went killing their livestock-to say no to a wrong and authoritive policy. Now you can try to rationalize and sugercode that as best as you can but at the end of the day what is forceful is forceful.

    1. Lemkin’s individual capacity to make this judgement has been challenged by Weiss-Wendt, on the basis of Lemkin’s transformation of his concept of genocide to meet the demands of Central and Eastern European emigre communities who, at that time, provided his funding support.

  12. Article from, a NZ newspaper, Evening Post, 8 February 1935, p3, “relayed from Moscow: SOVIET REFORMS, CLASS SYSTEM OVER, ENTER DEMOCRACY. The Congress of Soviets has adopted reforms embodying the best features of the Parliamentary system. M.Molotov explained the collectivisation of farms and the abolition of kulaks had terminated the class system […] Universal suffrage would soon be attained.”

  13. From an NZ newspaper, “Evening Post” 26 February 1930, p9. “WAR ON THE KULAKS, PROSPEROUS PEASANTS. STORY FROM BERLIN. 25th February. A Russian newspaper published here discloses that the Soviet campaign against peasants of the prosperous class known as Kulaks, who are openly anti-Bolshevist or allegedly secret counter-revolutionaries, says that at least forty are massacred daily, while thousands are being driven from their farms to face starvation. Their places are taken by engineers, doctors, journalists, artists, and actors.”

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