Blacks and Whites Disagree on the Definition of Racism

Most Whites would say that racism involves serious animus towards Blacks. If one generally likes or is indifferent towards a Blacks, attempts to treat them interpersonally the same as Whites, and opposes discrimination against Blacks in every way, opposes segregation, supports all important civil rights laws, and supports most of the Black agenda and Black politicians, most Whites would say that this person is not racist against Blacks. This means supporting the traditional civil rights agenda.
Now, as far as the other stuff. Most Whites would say that these things are not necessarily racism:

  • Failure to acknowledge White privilege
  • Criticizing Blacks
  • Practicing aversive racism against Blacks
  • Stereotyping Blacks
  • Telling racist jokes about Blacks
  • Feel or say they are superior to Blacks
  • Even use racial slurs against Blacks when Blacks are not around.

Absent animus and support for or practice of discriminatory behavior, most Whites would simply say about the list above: “That’s not racism.”
New Black commenter D says:

Your friend is obviously a racist in the sense that he feels whites are superior, but he’s one of those weirdo, soft “neurotic racists” that you wrote about on some other post.It’s pretty hilarious to watch these neurotic racists flounder around in their shitty logic.

The problem with this analysis is that it fails to recognize how ubiquitous these sorts of attitudes are in the White community. They are quite literally everywhere, and I am convinced that the vast majority of Whites are what Blacks might call “soft racists.”
It seems like Blacks don’t understand that soft White supremacy runs very, very deep among Whites. In fact, it is so much a part of our identity that I am not sure we will ever let it go.
The racist jokes will probably never end. From the beginning of our species, we were probably making fun of that funny tribe over the next hill.
So an attitude held by, in my opinion, the vast majority of Whites, cannot possibly be weirdo, neurotic, strange or abnormal. It’s normal in the sense that it is average and everyday.
As we can see above, Blacks have a much more expansive view of racism than Whites do.
In fact, by the Black definition above, it appears that I am a soft White racist myself. I don’t like to get into the superior-inferior races thing too much, but about one thing I have a deep conviction: I believe that at least Hispanics and Blacks are as groups morally inferior to Whites in some very important ways that mean a lot to me. They simply have lower morals.Why, I am not sure. Is it genes, culture, or both? No idea.
You’re welcome to disagree. If this makes me a soft racist, ok, I guess I am one.

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13 thoughts on “Blacks and Whites Disagree on the Definition of Racism”

  1. “I believe that at least Hispanics and Blacks are as groups morally inferior to Whites in some very important ways that mean a lot to me. They simply have lower morals.Why, I am not sure. Is it genes, culture, or both? No idea.”
    You might have intended this as a micro-question, but I have more a macro answer — most whites can live very comfortably by working one-third of just over one-half the days on the calendar. This gives us quite a bit of extra time and other resources to devote to improving the lot of others.
    Westerners were also the ones who developed a social-governmental system based on the premise of (political) equality of everyone. So we have a moral sense that everyone should be treated like we are, which would enable them to live like we do, if they act like we do.
    And whites do spend a fair bit on housing costs, private school tuition and automobile acquisition, made necessary to keep minority pathologies away from our families. We do sense that our lives could be improved if their behavior was.

    1. As I said in a different reply, whites have had a habit of exporting their bad behavior onto other people. They build great communities for themselves, but act like voracious Vikings towards everyone else, installing puppet dictators in non-white countries, rigging their systems, controlling their economies in order to keep the natural resources flowing to the West. Most of it is invisible to the average white. Just like the average white American has no clue that there is a direct connection between 9/11 and our medding in middle eastern affairs in order to keep the oil flowing so Mr and Mrs Whitey can fill up their SUV to take the kids to soccer practice.

      1. Not to mention the fact that the White man is sneaking into the projects, and pissing in the stairwell, leaving broken wine bottles, smashing the light bulbs and forcing Black people to attack each other and steal.
        Just look what Whitey has forced the Blacks to do in Detroit.
        Forcing the proud Black man to to live his life with serial impregnating, out-of-wedlock births and substance abuse.
        It’s all Whitey’s fault.
        Joking aside, it’s depressing that even educated Blacks would rather blame Whitey than solving their own problems. The only mentality it suggests is a slave mentality.

  2. OK, so let’s take them one by one…
    * Failure to acknowledge White privilege – Not racist just extremely annoying. Its added insult to injury. It’s pouring salt on a wound. It’s like racing someone who is running on sand and then gloating with the first place trophy without acknowledging that things weren’t exactly even to begin with. Even when you bring up documented real examples of discrimination over the years such as being denied FHA loans and opportunities to build wealth; it is dismissed as no big deal and so what. This comes across as unresponsive, insincere and lacking compassion. But racist? Not really.
    * Criticizing Blacks – I do this and I don’t think I’m racist. I do often sense on these blogs though a criticism that ignores external forces that impact Black communities. Many Whites are too smart to not know how gun shops, drugs, and alcohol stores can destroy even good people lives in bad communities. I know this because they generally don’t allow a lot of it in their own communities. The criticism isn’t balanced or constructive so it feels racist to some but it’s really just piling on or kicking a person while he’s down.
    * Practicing aversive racism against Blacks – I’ll save this one for last.
    * Stereotyping Blacks – We all stereo type. It’s just that stereotypes for Blacks tend to be all negative and almost impossible to shake don’t matter what some of us do, so in feels racist.
    * Telling racist jokes about Blacks – Blacks tell White jokes all the time, probably more than Whites tell Black jokes but I can’t know for sure. I think when society’s winners tell jokes about the losers it seems a bit sucky. But racist? No
    * Feel or say they are superior to Blacks – This one is tricky, because this is the primary definition of racism in the dictionary. So yes, I would have to say its racist but then I would have to quickly follow up by saying that almost all races on the planet are racist to some extent. So I guess no big deal here.
    * Even use racial slurs against Blacks when Blacks are not around. – Racial slurs are racist. They just are. Now are they more insulting than anything else with no real quality of life impact on the insulted, yes so probably shouldn’t be a big deal considering all the other major issues to deal with. But let me be clear: using a racial slur does not in itself make someone a closet racist. Some may think it’s a distinction with no difference but I think it’s worth making if we are to prioritize.
    Now for the big one:
    * Practicing aversive racism against Blacks – I believe this is by far the most devastating form of racism today in certain forms when practiced. It allows so many forms of discrimination to take place under the cloak of a thousand other things. Let’s take two major examples:
    1. Staying away from Blacks by living in separate neighborhoods – I kind of understand this one because many Black neighborhoods are disasters for 100 internal and external reasons. I even live in a White neighborhood and I absolutely love it! Not because they are full of Whites but because it’s safe, clean, well maintained, quiet and on and on and on… Now Whites feel that it’s obviously that way because it’s filled with Whites but what they don’t realize is that it’s partly because society tilts things toward them in a way that allows for maximum success and quality of life in White communities. Everything is better in White communities! Supermarkets, Post Offices, Home depots, Wal-Marts, street cleaning, street repair, law enforcement, and on and on and on. Despite all of this though, I have the least sympathy for Blacks in this area because nothing stops us from maintaining our own communities with or without society’s help. You don’t need street sweepers if you throw garbage in garbage cans. You don’t need to worry about crime on the streets at night if you’re in the house at night. You don’t have to worry about cops if you are doing what you are suppose to be doing and not just loitering. I always tell young people, the cops you run into on the nightshift in the city are very different from the dayshift so just being out at night for no reason increases bad things happening to you from cops and criminals alike by 10X. And don’t even get me started on bad parenting! As the saying goes, show me an ugly kid and I’ll show you an ugly parent!
    2. Staying away from Blacks in the work force by just hiring other Whites – This is horrible and flat out wrong. It is also the hardest to prove by someone who knows they’ve been discriminated against in this way. While I understand wanting to remain in your comfort zone, it is not a good enough reason to violate someone’s civil liberties and discriminate against them. We have families to feed like everyone else! I suspect some Whites don’t hire blacks because they would rather give it to a friend or a friend of a friend who is inevitably White (see point #1) or don’t want to rock the boat by bringing in the Black guy making other Whites uncomfortable at the job because they can’t openly tell racist jokes or just don’t know how to interact with Blacks. Even if the Black guy is more qualified than everyone else, he is still not likely to get the job because he may not “fit in” as they say, which is often a euphemism for “he’s not one of us”, which is a euphemism for “he’s not White”. Even when a Black guy has a job and works hard, he is often passed over for promotions, because promotions are more about one hand washing the other, so some figure why give it to the Black guy? He will never be in a position to help me when I need a favor in return.
    Robert, I tell you sincerely, I would happily deal with all the other things you mentioned and then some if point #2 would go away.

    1. Personally, I agree with black nationalists: Blacks have to help themselves, and build up their own self-sufficient communities, because nobody else will.
      Whites certainly won’t.
      And I don’t think Hispanics or Asians will give a crap about helping blacks.
      (except to the extent that they can use them to occasionally unite against a common enemy. Ie. whites)
      For me, personally, I don’t really like black people that much. And honestly, what is there to like?
      I simply feel more comfortable around my people, whites, or Asians, to a smaller extent.
      Around my fellow whites (at least the non-PC, non-SWPL ones), I don’t have to worry about receiving lectures on “aversive racism,” “white privilege,” (not that everyday blacks would exactly use those exact terms),etc.
      I don’t have to worry about these white kids getting easily provoked or threatening to fight you just because you might look at them in a way they don’t like.
      And of course, I don’t have to worry that any thing I say or do might somehow be interpreted as racism.
      In short, when I’m around my fellow whites, I don’t have to keep my guard up, the way I would if I were around a group of blacks.
      I’ve just found blacks to be aggressive, edgy, confrontational, aggrieved, etc. Yes, yes, I know, “the legacy of institutionalized racism,” “feelings disrespected in a racist society that dumps on them,” etc.
      But I DON’T CARE what the causes are. All I know is this: Why the hell should I like a group of people who bear me ill will and demand that I give up my stuff and make sacrifices on their behalf?
      There’s nothing to like.

      1. BAG,
        With all due respect, that attitude sucks. You don’t live on this planet by yourself and you are not the only one entitled to enjoy life. To the extent that your preferences eliminate the possibility for others to enjoy life as much as you do, it’s just plain wrong and doesn’t reflect the thoughts of a quality human being. It’s perfectly normal to feel more comfortable around people we identify with because it requires less effort but to deny people the opportunity to better themselves (through occupation or neighborhoods) solely because of your personal comfort is the actions of an extremely self-centered human being. This is mostly what the Civil Rights Act in the 60s and some Affirmative action stuff in the 90s (although partly misguided , badly implemented, and worst of all gave birth to the overly used concept of reverse racism) tried to rectify but it’s almost impossible to legislate against attitudes like yours. It always seems to find a way to seep in and affect the lives of others like bacteria, the cold virus or the “Spice Girls” first CD.
        Yes, Blacks should help themselves first before expecting others to help. In fact, I think it’s almost immoral to do for others what people can do for themselves because it encourages dependency and it robs people of the self-esteem that comes with doing something worthwhile with your life. It is simply better to teach a man how to fish instead of give him one.
        But to simply not care what the causes are (even if they are in part external to the community and unknowingly perpetuated by non-minorities) reflect a callous, cold-hearted and small-minded person. You need to understand that actions have repercussion or “blow back” as the CIA puts it. If you had some of the things done to you that Blacks experience daily, you wouldn’t care much for the people who you think are doing it either. But of course: You don’t care. What kind of world do you think that attitude will leave for your kids? Unbelievable.

      2. ” Why the hell should I like a group of people who bear me ill will and demand that I give up my stuff and make sacrifices on their behalf?”
        And you don;t think the asians you like so much don;t have the same feelings or intentions?
        Better the non-white you know than the non-white you don’t.

      3. Well, why don’t you move to Russia then? You’d be around almost all white people and most would be racist and xenophobic. Weather might suck, but you seem to admire Russian people’s racist attitudes so I think you’d fit in quite well there and you will see virtually no blacks except for a rare African student. Why don’t you take the leap? I think the perfect BAG nation already exists. So instead of complaining about it here so much, why not go to a place that already accommodates people like you? David Duke moved to Ukraine. Why can’t BAG do something like that?

  3. [quote]They are quite literally everywhere, and I am convinced that the vast majority of Whites are what Blacks might call “soft racists.”
    It seems like Blacks don’t understand that soft White supremacy runs very, very deep among Whites. In fact, it is so much a part of our identity that I am not sure we will ever let it go.[/quote]
    Okay, well then why do you argue with us on this? You seem to be agreeing with people like Abagond in that most whites are racists. So why do you get upset when blacks point out the same observations? Blacks don’t claim that whites all want us hung from trees or that all whites are in the same camp as the Klan. But you don’t have to be in order to be racist. I mean here you are calling Obama a supply-side Republican when the man is nowhere near being libertarian in his economics so you are doing to Obama’s economic policies what you claim blacks do to “soft racists”. Looking at the most extreme of the bunch and lumping the moderates in with the outliers.
    As for whites having better morals, that’s way too subjective and murky a subject. First off how do we even define morals in the first place, that in itself is subjective. While some morality can be universally agreed upon such as stealing and rape, other things are more relative such as abortion and gay marriage. Plus there is more variance WITHIN a race than there is across races. There are people in Africa that would give you the last bit of food off their own table table if you were hungry(I’m recounting the experience of someone I know). Meanwhile there are thugs running around the streets of Moscow bashing in the heads of Georgians while onlookers don’t even try to help. There are millions of whites that wanted Iraq nuked and the hell with all those civilians that had nothing to with anything. McCain made a cute little line about his desire to bomb Iran. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg
    I think whites do a good job of exporting their bad behavior unto others. I think the real question you’re getting at is do whites build safer and more functional communities than blacks and Hispanics. At the time being, the answer is yes, both at home and internationally. But that’s a different question from morality, because whites do a lot of fucked up shit collectively. As a leftist I’m sure you’re aware of this be it the tea party politics of middle America or fucking over Latin America.

  4. Well, rethinking my comment, I think I can sort of understand the nature of this “soft racism” using an example from my own life. I’m a lot more educated, more cultured, better spoken, more empatethic, have stronger morals, and am better dressed than your average partially-retarded college student. So when I meet someone who is inferior to me in some way (which happens often), in the back of my head I get a small feeling of superiority over this person. I would never insult this person or do anything condescending but I simply FEEL superior to this individual and I won’t have too much respect for them, but I will treat them politely. If I meet someone who’s on “the same level” as me or close to it, I don’t get this feeling.
    I haven’t lived around Whites for long so I can’t describe the nature of this “soft racism”, but is it something like this except on a group level?
    There’s also an important distinction to make here. I assume an arbitrary group of people will be filled with, say, idiots (bell curve, right?) but I treat each and every individual as a blank state. It only turns to crap logic if one starts to prejudge individuals based on group characteristics, because truly superior individuals aren’t always distinguishable from their arbitrary group.

    1. “I’m a lot more educated, more cultured, better spoken, more empatethic, have stronger morals, and am better dressed than your average partially-retarded college student. So when I meet someone who is inferior to me in some way (which happens often), in the back of my head I get a small feeling of superiority over this person.”
      The difference here is that all the things you mention are things people can change or improve upon if they wanted to. To feel better than someone simply because of their race, something they can’t change and probably not the cause of all the other things you mentioned, reflects the feelings of a very low caliber individual in my opinion.

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