Dutch Nationalist Right Calls on Israel To Annex the West Bank

This is the nationalist Right, including the White nationalist Right’s hero, Geert Wilders. Yeah, he’s socking it to those scummy Muslims and those dirty immigrants, who, it turns out, are all Muslims too.
This is what you get, idiots. When you vote for Islamophobes, you get the worst Zionists of all. I’ve been through all of the anti-Islam sites out there, including all of the blogs. It is axiomatic that if one if an Islamophobic nut, one is also a fanatical Zionist. One goes with the other.
Wilders is calling for Israel to annex the West Bank, ramp up settlement building as much as possible, and apparently to send the Palestinians to Jordan (“Jordan is the Palestinian homeland.”) This is even more radical than Avigdor Lieberman.
Like I said, this is par for the course with Muslim-haters. If you’re a Muslim hater, you heart Israel. Why? Because the most fanatical Muslim haters of all are in Israel. Because Muslims hate Israel, and therefore, Israel must be good. Because Israel is part of the Judeo-Christian West under assault by Islam.
On the other hand, most anti-Semites love Muslims. This makes no sense to me. I’ve been around enough Muslims to figure out that they are not the greatest thing since sliced bread. Actually, they are much worse than that. Confined to their sandboxes, they do a minimum of harm, but we let that cat out of the bag long ago. If you hate Israel, you love Islam. If you hate Jews, you love Muslims. Why? Once again, the biggest and nastiest anti-Semites out there these days are Muslims. They’re the coolest and baddest Jew-haters of all! Yeah! If you hate Israel, well, Islam does too.
Of course there’s a sensible line that almost no one takes. It could look something like this:
Jews suck.
Muslims suck.
They both suck.
Israel sucks.
The Arab World sucks.
They both suck.
A better line is proposed by the Left in the region, especially the Left in Iran and Afghanistan. The Left in that part of the world is not wild about Islam, after all, Muslims pretty much exterminated the Left in that part of the world, and Islam is behind almost everything reactionary in Central Asia, in particular women’s rights. This is where RAWA, the famous Afghan women’s movement, is coming from. They grew out of the Afghan Maoist Left. The Left in that region also hates Israel of course, in line with the general Left line on Zionism.

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32 thoughts on “Dutch Nationalist Right Calls on Israel To Annex the West Bank”

  1. My dad went to hear Geert Wilders speak when he came to Boston. Apparantely his step father was jewish and Geert spent a lot of time on Kibbutzim before he became right wing. Geert is also part of the homosexual right wing as was Theo Van Gogh.

  2. “Geert is also part of the homosexual right wing as was Theo Van Gogh.”
    Like Pim Fortuyn? Maybe instead of calling it the ‘right wing’ they should call it the ‘right cheek.’

  3. On the other hand, most anti-Semites love Muslims. This makes no sense to me.
    Depends on what kind of anti-Semites you’re talking about, Robert.
    If you mean white nationalist anti-Semites, then I must respectfully disagree. True, white nationalists don’t have a huge problem with Muslims, but they don’t exactly have a ton of love for them either.
    Their attitude is that while Muslims are not exactly a lovable and friendly group of people, and are ultimately the enemies of white people, at the same time Muslims in the U.S. don’t have that much power and influence and therefore don’t pose the same threat that Jews do.
    Or, to use the words of white nationalist favorite Edgar Steele, “It wasn’t Muslims who (insert offense), it was the Jews!”
    In fact, one white nationalist James Edwards mocks conservatives who blame the war on christmas and other PC movements on Muslims, and chastises them for failing to recognize the 500 pound Jewish elephant in the room.
    My feelings on Geert Wilders are mixed. On the one hand, he is anti non-Western immigration, and supports native Dutch autonomy.
    At the same time, he’s a fanatical Zionist/Jew lover, which can never amount to anything good. Also, as Kevin MacDonald points out, Jewish groups still dislike him, because god forbid that Europe should be for Europeans. Nope, the Jewish agenda of diluting, fragmenting, and diversifying everywhere they live cannot be interrupted, even by someone as pro-Israel as they are.
    Unfortunately, whether it’s Geert Wilders, Jean Marie Le Pen, or other European nationalist politicians, it seems that the only way they can even somewhat succeed is by focusing on those bad Muslims and Ay-rabs, while sucking up to Jews and ignoring the 500 pound Culturally Marxist Jewish elephant in the room.

  4. “If you mean white nationalist anti-Semites, then I must respectfully disagree. True, white nationalists don’t have a huge problem with Muslims, but they don’t exactly have a ton of love for them either.”
    I disagree. Many white naitonalists like muslims…as long as they’re caucasoids. Many white nationalists refer to turks and iranians as their “white brothers.”
    Personally, I believe that the muslims are, and forever will be, a bigger threat than the jews, especially arab muslims. Even if you believe that jews are some group of puppet masters the reality is that they couldn’t be as influential as they are without their puppets. All their puppets have to do is stop listening to them if they want to change it. (Much the same could have been said for european colonialism.) On the other hand, their are millions of muslims who can enforce their garbage religion onto to others.
    One way to sort out somewhat saner white nationalists from total dipshit white nationalists is to as them the question, “Historically, what group as done more damage to European civilization, jews or ottoman turks?” If their answer is jews, then you can mark them down in the moron category.

    1. Personally, I believe that the muslims are, and forever will be, a bigger threat than the jews, especially arab muslims.
      I agree. It must be the religion, because in my experience Christian Arabs mostly assimilate and become white people in America.
      And fuck Zionism too.

      1. Wade, one of the reasons why I’ve been reading Occidental Dissent is that, unlike other white nationalists (who mainly just spew empty rhetoric and completely loony conspiracy theories), Hunter Wallace and others are actually interested in succeeding and avoiding the same rhetorical and intellectual blunders of other white nationalists.
        I do think that going over the top about “the Jews” can be bad. I also recognize that Arabs and Muslims aren’t exactly wonderful people.
        Still, that being said, one must analyze the Jewish Question if they are to understand today’s current racial and political climate. You yourself are very critical of Jews, Wade.

        1. “Still, that being said, one must analyze the Jewish Question if they are to understand today’s current racial and political climate. You yourself are very critical of Jews, Wade.”
          Sure, but one must analyze the jewish question sanely. There is not a jew hiding behind every door or under every rock (well, quite a few of them live under rocks–>the ADL) waiting to jump out and kill you. The reality is that, while many jews may want to hurt whites, many whites want to hurt whites because it helps their own interests. This is particularly true of rich whites. If we look at Russia, for example, many blame the bolshevik revolution on the jews becuse its was hostile to ethnic Russians. However, it was quite common for the tsar to give privileges to non-russians like jew and armenian traders that were not given to russians. The russian empire was far from being naitonalist for most of its history. To pretend that the George W. Bushes of the world are merely jew pawns is to be totally short-sighted and ultimately harmful to White America. They may do the bidding of the jews, but only when it meshes with their own interests.
          You can’t defeat your enemies by only fighting one battalion.

        2. Believe me Wade, I find white traitors the worst of all. And yes, many non-Jewish whites will sell their own people out for personal gain. That to me is most distasteful.
          I also have nothing but contempt for Jewish shills. To paraphrase Obi Wan, “who’s the fool? The fool, or the fool who follows him?”

  5. “Jews suck.
    Muslims suck.
    They both suck.”
    This is pretty much how I feel, except that I’m not totally hostile towards 100% of jews like I am towards muslims. I would slightly change this though to this:
    Jew and Evangelical Protestant Zionists suck,
    Muslims suck;
    All Three suck.

  6. I can read Dutch fluently and I read Dutch newspapers on-line every day, so I now something about Wilders, his party and Dutch politics.
    First, Geert is NOT gay. He is married for the second time. His first wife was an Israeli and his second wife is a Hungarian Jewess. They have no children. Theo van Gogh wasn’t gay either, although Pim Fortuyn was. Jörg Haider was gay too.
    Second, it is indeed true that Wilders has a long-running love affair with Israel. He has been in the country over 40 times and, yes, he did spent time in Israel in his younger years.
    Third, he was raised as a Catholic, and I have never read anything about a Jewish stepfather.
    Fourth, Geert’s party, the PVV, has 24 seats in the 150-seat Dutch lower house. Of those 24 members, 5 have already been involved in a minor scandal since the election in June of this year. His party is set up in such a way that he is the only member, so he can retain total control.
    Fifth, Geert never mentions race and says that he despises the British BNP, the Austrian FPÖ and the French Front National.
    Much though I detest Islamphobes, I do think that that it is wise to question the desirability of large-scale Muslim immigration into Western countries. There is a fundamental incompatibility between liberal democracy and sharia-obedient Islam. Muslims in Islamic countries aren’t at all dangerous to us, if ony becaue there is no Islamic country that can be considered a great power, let alone a superpower.
    However, we shouldn’t exaggerate the danger of Islam in the West. About 15% of India’s population is Islamic, and this hasn’t prevented India from waging war against Pakistan. The Muslims in the US haven’t prevented the military presence of the US in 3 Islamic countries.
    As to Islamic terrorism, leave Islamic countries alone, and you won’t have to worry about it. Why don’t Muslims carry out terrorist acts in Japan and Latin America? Answer: these countries don’t practice the folly of combining invasion of Muslim countries with large-scale Islamic immigration, as many Western countries do.
    The way to deal with islam is simple:
    1 – don’t import many Islamic immigrants.
    2 – don’t invade Islamic countries or interfere in their affairs.
    3 – don’t support Israel and don’t listen to Zionists.
    4 – don’t demonize Muslims.
    5 – don’t see the whole Islam as a threat.
    Isalm isn’t going to disappear any time soon, but the world is big enough for both Islam and the West. We don’t need believers in a clash of civilizations.
    Regards. James

    1. You said that “there is a fundamental incompatibility between liberal democracy and sharia-obedient Islam”. Sure I agree with your statement. But I don’t think that a non-Sharia obedient Islam exists.
      To my opinion, we westerners have a biased view of Islam. When we think about religion, we think about Christianism. And we misunderstand Sharia. We often see it like some kind of civil code, an innovation added to a pure Islam. But Sharia is not an innovation. Sharia is consubstantial to Islam, because Islam is a law and Sharia its expression. And in this law, there is no separation between what is private and what is public, between what is spiritual and what is political (the society organization).
      So if many Muslims make the difference between the spiritual and the political, I don’t think Islam can do the same one day. If I don’t mistake this is what Wafah Sultan and Ayaan Irsi Ali said, and this is not far from what Geert Wilders say (in general, I’m not talking about his visit in Israel). I can’t imagine how Muslims can confront this contradiction. So really, I don’t know how you see it but I don’t think we will have an European Islam, because an Islam compatible with the western values will be a heresy according to Islam rules, and Islam doesn’t tolerate other rules than its own. So it can sound as a “clash of civilizations theory”, but I think that’s the way it has always work.

  7. “Much though I detest Islamphobes, I do think that that it is wise to question the desirability of large-scale Muslim immigration into Western countries. ”
    The problem with this statement is the word ‘islamophobes.’ The meaning of the word tend to vary with the user. Of course, this is a problem with many words, especially ones involving politics. Antoher problem is linking dislike for islam with the word ‘phobia,’ which implies an element of irrationality. Many places around the world who are described as islamophobic actually have valid reasons for not wanting islam around. Serbia, India, and Greece all have valid reasons for hating muslims and islam. Iranians and Lebanese people (Phonecians) would also have very good reasons for hating islam(aka arabism) and some have expressed such feelings in the past. Hopefully these feelings will increase in the future. Rejection of arabism has been developing somewhat large movements in some areas for a while. I have read of anti-arab sentiments among Egyptians and Berber people. I believe this is a positive development.

    1. “I have read of anti-arab sentiments among Egyptians and Berber people. I believe this is a positive development.”
      Really? For the Berbers ok but for the Egyptians I have never heard about that. Can you tell more? I remember this year the tensions between Algeria and Egypt (it was after the soccer games) and I remember Egyptians insulting Algerians saying that Algerians are not Arabs. And Nasser was certainely the greatest Arab nationalist leader.

      1. I’ve never heard raving anti-arabism like you get out of phoenecianist types out of Lebanon, but there is a distinctive sense of Egyptianess against arabism. It doesn’t seem to be extreme, but it is very different than what I’ve normally heard. Of course, I live in the US and our media is really dishonest and shitty. Here’s one of the articles I read that gave me this impression.
        http://www.love-egypt.com/egyptian-identity.html

        1. Thank you, interesting link, I see especially the belly dancers ^^
          For the Lebanese I aggree with you, I knew a Lebanese during my studies and it was an insult for him when we said that he was an Arab.

  8. Dear Wade
    We shouldn’t commit the etymological fallacy. I’m perfectl aware that phobia means irrational fear, but in many compounds, phobia just means rejection or hostility. For instance, there are hydrophobic plants. These plants don’t have an irrational fear of water. Islamophobia is now the term generally used to describe people who are hostile to Islam and opposed to the growth of the Islamic presence in their country. I see no good reason for using another term, which in any case doesn’t exist.
    Regards. James

    1. “Islamophobia is now the term generally used to describe people who are hostile to Islam and opposed to the growth of the Islamic presence in their country”
      Well, however you wish to use this term, there is nothing wrong with it, and frankly in many countries, such as the ones I listed, I think that people who wrent’t ‘islamophobic’ are traitors to their people and should be dealt with as such.

  9. Funny how the WN’s can care about building a stupid Mosque in New York 2 block from Ground Zero with connections to the CIA and CFR but don’t give two shits about the fact that we created as the late super Zionist who survived 5 Nazi death camps (lol!) Tom Lantos remarked “The United States’ principles are universal, and in this instance, the United States stands foursquare for the creation of an overwhelmingly Muslim country in the very heart of Europe.”
    Which is actually two, one in Bosnia whose leader was an Islamist arrested by the Yugoslav authorities who support a new Ottoman Empire and supported and gave passports and citizenship to every major jihadist and jihadist group in the world including Atta and KSM using false flag terrorist attacks and phoney massacres like Srebrenica which was even admitted by US own Republican investigation and Kosovo the drug, sex, organ trafficking capital of Europe supported on another phoney massacre pretext of Racak. The KLA PM Thaci campaign manager was an Israeli.
    Organized Jewry support every Islamic terrorist/separatist movement against neighbouring non-Muslims/Christians apart from Israeli itself.

  10. Q. What’s the difference between a Somali taxi driver in Seattle with two wives a Singer sewing machine?
    A. The Singer sewing machine doesn’t listen to “All Things Considered.”

    1. I left out the “and.” It should read ….”two wives and a Singer sewing machine?” It’s still not a very funny joke because it was made at the expense of a perfectly decent Singer sewing machine that doesn’t have time to listen to NPR because it works in a Mexican sweatshop.

  11. Jews suck.
    Muslims suck.
    They both suck.
    Israel sucks.
    The Arab World sucks.
    They both suck.

    Wow…I never thought my views would seem “sensible” to anyone. 🙂

        1. @Cyrus
          I thought child fucking was your neck of the woods. Wasn’t Mohammed a child fucker?
          @Wade in MO
          “Yes, they do.
          Stop kissing his ass.

    1. Well, for the Front National, I’ve never heard that they were against Islam. They say that they are for laicism and against Islamism, that we are a country of Christian tradition, but never that they are against Islam. In fact, I’ve already see interviews with Jean-Marie Le Pen with the “centre Zara” (if I don’t mistake, this is an association moneyed by Iran) and he had many friends in the Arab world for what I know. So it doesn’t appear that FN has an anti-Islam agenda officially, and I don’t think that it will change because Marine Le Pen wants the power, and to oppose Islam is too controversial.
      FN’s political line is more about insecurity, anti-globalism (including anti-Americanism, so Zara center meetings make sense in this perspective) and anti-UE. Race is taboo in France and we don’t have white nationalists groups as you have in the US, so I don’t think we can see a link between white nationalist who are anti-Semites so they love Islam in the French situation as some said previously. White nationalism is something for the “Germans” or “Germanics” (I include the Anglo-Saxons in “Germanics”, I don’t know the exact word in English). And religion is almost inexistent in the French political speech so it’s impossible to be popular when talking about religion. The main Front National line about “diversity” is assimilation. The only “anti-Islamic” thing they have is their anti-Algeria views, but it’s a long “family affair” in the French political scene.

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