Reactionary Nut Republican On Various Non-Existent Threats

From In Mala Fide, where many a flipped out reactionary hangs out, a super-rightist named Whiskey holds forth:

You’re completely off base on this. The objections to the START treaty is that it hamstrings the US, particularly with weapons modernization (so they actually work) and forbids a ABM shield. Which is needed.
Obama’s objective is to punish White America for having and using Nukes by eliminating them first. As he’s pushed for repeatedly in speeches and actions. No one trusts him because he’s against the US having nukes or a military in the first place.
Nor are you correct about Iran not being able to get nukes. North Korea has them, and just today it was revealed their centrifuge program, thought impossible was far along and done in less than a year, right before our eyes. Of course they have help, as does Pakistan and Iran: CHINA.
China wishes to use proxies to threaten or even nuke the US, deniably, so they can scoop up much of Asia, including Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Vietnam, and Indonesia. Their economy is a sham and they know it. They have a massive gender imbalance. They have looming demographic shortages coming.
This is the mark of a “use it or lose it” aggressive power: see Japan and Germany, 1930′s. For the Chinese to take Taiwan, and the rest of Asia, as colonies and mercantile advantages (think 1600-1700′s France) they must move the US out, and indirect ways are less risky than overt war (which is disturbingly contemplated in Chinese media and thus with official approval).
Iran is a threat because it too faces a looming crisis domestically with their economy, looming demographic implosion, and like China and Turkey aspirations for empire rebuilding. Iran’s leaders have stated they wish to reconstitute in Islamic form the Persian Empire, stretching into the Balkans, down to Egypt, and the Arabian Peninsula.
As a practical matter, Iran’s nukes would allow it to keep oil prices sky high (by threatening the Gulf states) and turf out the US Navy. If you like paying less than $20 a gallon for gas and keeping your job, you’ll find Iran’s nukes a threat. Given the need to start paying off their gunmen and what amounts to a cadre of military gangsters they are likely racing to this goal of nukes + ballistic missiles. Both technology more than sixty years old.
Its not that hard to do, the Russians did it in the 1950′s.
As far as Iran plus Pakistan, each could point to the other if they are both nuclear, if a major US city goes boom!
Which is why Lindsay Grahmanesty is right. We need to dismember Iran before they go nuclear. So we can have gas that is not so expensive it destroys the economy and puts us in horse and buggy times. We also need a robust nuclear deterrent, and ABM against nations like North Korea which are thinly disguised proxy attackers helped by China. Iran does not have any friends and a major power like the US needs to provide useful lessons and reminders of the danger of attacking us.
Our main problem is that no one really believes we have the will and ability to punish nations severely if they threaten our core interests. China has no such problem and is our major competitor. Thus we need to dump the START treaty and do something about Iran, like bomb all its major facilities. Setting back its nuke program and promoting useful fear. [I mean really, who’d care if we bombed the crap out of Iran? But its a good way to put fear of the US into Pakistan’s military, so they control their jihadis.]
Never underestimate the power of a useful example in international relations.

One insane remark at a time here.
The objections to the START treaty is that it hamstrings the US, particularly with weapons modernization (so they actually work) and forbids a ABM shield. Which is needed.
This guy must go to the Richard Perle School in International Relations. First he trots out the old, “We need to still keep building nukes ‘to make sure they still work'” line. Can you believe that this crazy line has captured the famished imaginations of many a US President? Sad but true.
Next up we have the ABM shield. It’s a bad idea, and it’s based on the premise of a winnable nuclear war. Nuclear wars are not winnable. Everyone loses. In the we can win scenario, the ABM shoots down all the enemy nukes, and then we blast them with our nukes. It goes back to the USSR and the Cold War, which is supposedly over, but neocons like this guy are always finding new wars to fight.
Obama’s objective is to punish White America for having and using Nukes by eliminating them first. As he’s pushed for repeatedly in speeches and actions. No one trusts him because he’s against the US having nukes or a military in the first place.
Wow, some Tea Party White racism thrown in for good measure. Obama hates US Whites because we have nukes and niggers don’t. LOL. No one cares that Obama opposes even the US having nukes, supposedly, but even Obama isn’t nuts enough to unilaterally disarm.
Of course they have help, as does Pakistan and Iran: CHINA.
China, a nuclear power, is helping potential enemy neighbors and near neighbors also become military powers, so that maybe they can threaten China in the figure. Right dude. Rule #1 about nuclear powers is that they don’t tend to spread it around. Look at all the big nuclear powers. Any of them proliferated? Of course not. If you had the deadliest poison on Earth, would you even give it to your best friends or family? Of course not.
China wishes to use proxies to threaten or even nuke the US, deniably, so they can scoop up much of Asia, including Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Vietnam, and Indonesia. Their economy is a sham and they know it. They have a massive gender imbalance. They have looming demographic shortages coming. This is the mark of a “use it or lose it” aggressive power: see Japan and Germany, 1930′s. For the Chinese to take Taiwan, and the rest of Asia, as colonies and mercantile advantages (think 1600-1700′s France) they must move the US out, and indirect ways are less risky than overt war (which is disturbingly contemplated in Chinese media and thus with official approval).
LOL, whoa dude. Too much, dude, too much. Even the Perle – Wolfowitz – Gaffney – Rumsfeld – Cheney – Feith Project for a New American Century sociopaths don’t say things this crazy. There’s crazy and there’s batshit crazy. This is batshit crazy. So nuts I won’t even bother to refute it. Suffice to say there is no evidence for it.
China’s economy in some ways is in better shape than the West’s. It is growing at a remarkable pace. It avoided the financial ponzi scheme World Depression through the use of state banks. China invests in real capital investment, real productivity growth and real commodity production and increasing wages and living standards, whereas the US engages in asset stripping, bald and naked class war out of the 1890’s, financial ponzi schemes, the destruction of the real economy, a financialized casino economy that in reality is a house of cards, declining wages and living standards and an economy that both parties run only so the top 2% can attack the bottom 98%.
China’s economy is run for the nation, the people and workers. The US’ economy is run by and for a parasitical FIRE sector with banksters at the helm determined to suck every last bit of surplus out of consumers in form of payments to banks.
Iran is a threat because it too faces a looming crisis domestically with their economy, looming demographic implosion, and like China and Turkey aspirations for empire rebuilding. Iran’s leaders have stated they wish to reconstitute in Islamic form the Persian Empire, stretching into the Balkans, down to Egypt, and the Arabian Peninsula.
Iran’s demographics are no big deal anymore than any other 3rd World Country. The birth rate is below replacement. The economy is doing ok, barring the sanctions. Iran certainly has no desire to be an imperialist state, and neither does Turkey (LOL) and even China does not aspire to such.
Iran’s leaders certainly have never said that they want to recolonize the Arab World under a recreated Persian Empire. This sounds like the fevered blatherings of fanatical Sunnis more than rational analysis.
As a practical matter, Iran’s nukes would allow it to keep oil prices sky high (by threatening the Gulf states) and turf out the US Navy. If you like paying less than $20 a gallon for gas and keeping your job, you’ll find Iran’s nukes a threat. Given the need to start paying off their gunmen and what amounts to a cadre of military gangsters they are likely racing to this goal of nukes + ballistic missiles. Both technology more than sixty years old.
Won’t happen. Even if they ever get them, Iran won’t use nukes to blackmail the world. This is just ridiculous. They will use them like all other sane countries use them, in order to keep idiots like us from attacking them. Duh.
As far as Iran plus Pakistan, each could point to the other if they are both nuclear, if a major US city goes boom!
A US city won’t go boom unless someone shoots a nuke at it. If that ever happened, I’m sure the Pentagon has the high tech to figure out which country launched it. Snark. There’s no way to nuke a US city without shooting a ballistic missile at it. I deal with the suitcase nukes bullshit in an earlier post.
Which is why Lindsay Grahmanesty is right. We need to dismember Iran before they go nuclear. So we can have gas that is not so expensive it destroys the economy and puts us in horse and buggy times.
The homosexual Lindsay Graham is not right. We don’t need to invade Iran, much less dismember it. If you thought Iraq and Afghanistan were fun, try doing Iran!
Iran does not have any friends and a major power like the US needs to provide useful lessons and reminders of the danger of attacking us.
Yeah but no one’s “attacking us” you neocon dumbshit. Oh, that’s right, in the 107 degree minds of the neocons, the US is always “under attack.” Usually the attacks are the “invisible” kind, but they are attacks nonetheless. Snark.
We also need a robust nuclear deterrent, and ABM against nations like North Korea which are thinly disguised proxy attackers helped by China.
We don’t need the ABM, and it doesn’t even work anyway. Ever try shooting down a bullet with another bullet. That’s what an ABM is. It doesn’t work. North Korea is not a Chinese proxy. China has it’s own nukes, and it’s almost an ally anyway. There is huge trade between the US and China. No reason to screw that up with messy things like wars.
Our main problem is that no one really believes we have the will and ability to punish nations severely if they threaten our core interests.
Neocons are always saying this. “Our enemies think we are weak. We need to attack someone to show them we are serious!” By the way, this was one of the main rationales for the Iraq War, and look where that got us. Sure the world is scared of the US.
In the above, “threaten” means just about anything. It means looking at Uncle Sam wrong. It means not following orders when the US issues them. “US interests” means the interests of US imperialism. Not a good thing.
Thus we need to dump the START treaty and do something about Iran, like bomb all its major facilities.
Yeah, brilliant idea, dumbass. Want to see that $20/gallon oil? Then try this.
I mean really, who’d care if we bombed the crap out of Iran?
Just about the whole world, in particular the Muslim World, Russia, China, everyone really? This is another of the neocon delusions. First of all, the world is full of enemies who “hate us for our freedom” or whatever bullshit reason they thought up last night. We have no friends. Second of all, the world really does love America and will secretly be overjoyed when we start the next war. This is the thinking behind the assholes who started the Iraq War, exactly.
But its a good way to put fear of the US into Pakistan’s military, so they control their jihadis.
Yeah dude. Um, Pakistan is afraid we are going to bomb their nuclear facilities? WTF.
Never underestimate the power of a useful example in international relations.
This is the “make an example out of them” neocon school. This argument was also very important in the Iraq War. Boy, this guy is drumming them out one by one here, no?
The scary thing is that this raving lunatic represents the way the Republican Party thinks, and the way that 10’s of millions or possibly even a majority of Americans think, or could easily be led to think. Commenter AJ is right. US imperialism is a menace to humanity. The sooner it crashes and burns, the better.

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11 thoughts on “Reactionary Nut Republican On Various Non-Existent Threats”

  1. “Of course they have help, as does Pakistan and Iran: CHINA.”
    ” Iran does not have any friends”
    These statements don’t fit together. China and Iran aren’t friends so officially atheist China is giving a state run by theocratic nuts nuclear weapons with no idea of who they’re going to use them on.
    Aside from the contradiction, the idea that Iran has no friends is wrong. Contrary to the modern american idea that authoritarian states are always trying to eliminate democracy, states with different ideologies can work together, especially if there is a larger enemy threatening them. Russia would definitely care if the US invaded Iran. One of the few areas in the world that cannot be accessed by the US navy is Cental Asia. Russia on the other hand can influence Central Asia and has extremely important reasons for doing so. The US has bases in Central Asia and already has troops in Afghanistan. I doubt the Russians would tolerate the US widening it spere of influence in the area. Think about it. If the US controlled Afghanistan and Iran all that would seperate the US from Russia would be the flat eurasian steppe. If the US could manage to turn Kazakstan againt the US then the US military could quite easily divide Russia in half and in western Kazakstan they would be less that 100 miles from the Volga river and the center of the Russian population. At the same time the US has friends in Ukraine, who would only be a short shot across south Russia where they could link up. Then, of course, right below there in the Caucasus there are the Georgians and Chechens. And south of them are US troops in Iraq. Not to mention the Turks who are a historic enemy of Russia and is a NATO ally. Poland might also play a role here as they have hostilities toward Russia as well. Sorry for being so long winded here, but my point is that if the US were to set foot in Iran, it would be the begining of armageddon. (but then the evangelicals in the Republican party might like that) Russia would not tolerate it and I doubt China or anyone else who wasn’t a total american satellite would tolerate it either. In order to preserve the integrity of their state the Russians would probably nuke us and then we would return. Game over.

  2. “Iran certainly has no desire to be an imperialist state, and neither does Turkey (LOL)”
    Some might say that the Turks already are imperialist and always have been.
    I think the Turkey question is quite interesting tough because of what the neocons want out of the Turks. Neocon strategist and future forecaster George Friedman thinks that Turkey will have a sphere of influence, if not an empire, that rivals the Ottoman Empire within the next few decades. He say that Russia will collapse down to its medieval borders. He claims that the great powers in the middle of the 21st century will be Japan, Turkey, Poland, and the USA. He thinks that the main US enemy is still Russia and will be until they collapse. He has published this all in a book called “The Next 100 Years.” This guy is not fringe element either. He runs an organization called Stratfor which is very influnetial with certain policy makers. Supposedly the attack of Serbia in the 1990s by the US was masterminded by him. If so, he’s a bastard. If not, he’s still a bastard. He is not the only neocon who idolizes Turkey though. I have some interest in history and have read of some neocons trying to remake the Ottoman empire in to a center of tolerance and enilightenment where the sultan ruled fairly over a multireligious and etnically diverse populus, which is, of course, a total lie.
    Neocons are garbage.

    1. Friedman is a hack who used to be a consultant for the RAND Corporation who is at the forefront of US foreign policy with twitter, coloured revolutions, etc.
      I think the Turkey question is quite interesting tough because of what the neocons want out of the Turks. Neocon strategist and future forecaster George Friedman thinks that Turkey will have a sphere of influence, if not an empire, that rivals the Ottoman Empire within the next few decades. He say that Russia will collapse down to its medieval borders. He claims that the great powers in the middle of the 21st century will be Japan, Turkey, Poland, and the USA. He thinks that the main US enemy is still Russia and will be until they collapse.
      He is just masking US foreign policy which is well known outlined in Brzezinski’s Grand Chessboard book back in 96/97 which I have been saying for years.
      Europe needs oil and gas from Central Asia and the Caspian basin that mainly goes through Russia and Russian aligned territory which they want an alternative route which will eventually go from Azerbaijan through the Balkans into Europe which is fostered by Muslim terrorism/separatism and fascist pan-Turkish Ottoman nationalism mainly funding from Saudi Arabia and CIA Turkish business man Fatullah Gullen financing Mosques, religious Universities, etc.
      Hence the wars, Islamic terrorism, colour revolutions, economic shock therapy in Eastern Europe, our latest adventure in Afghanistan, support for the Taliban and Bin Ladin in the 90’s, etc.
      Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds in this Daily Kos article summed it up pretty good.
      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/15/551916/-Sibel-Edmonds-Case:-The-Central-Asia-Islamization-Cocktail:-Mosques,-Madrassas,-HeroinTerrorism
      The only problem is the routes that bypass Russia can only carry a certain amount of oil and gas and dwarfed by the amount Russian pipeline projects can carry with Russia’s Dagestan Republic covering the largest western area to Europe, the breakaway Georgia republic of Abkhazia and the other possible route carries through Iran.
      And his Jewishness comes into play when he claims that essentially the Saudi’s control and tell the US what to do and never makes much of the fact that the Oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine are Jewish which dual citizenship of Israel just like all the senior people in the US.
      Supposedly the attack of Serbia in the 1990s by the US was masterminded by him. If so, he’s a bastard. If not, he’s still a bastard.
      I think you are getting confused with other Jewish individuals who lead and supported the terrorist wars against Serbia in the Bush and especially Clinton administration and well as those affiliated to pro-US/Zionist organisations.
      It is how I became aware of the Jewish issue.
      Stratfor started operating in the 90’s and covered the Balkan conflict.

  3. Do people like Whiskey have any understanding that people listen/read his offensive ramblings and take all kinds of countermeasures against him? Both consciously and subconsciously. People with the loudest, most aggressive stances fall first. Basic human understanding. LOL. A hateful child. The loser in the corner. Sheesh.

  4. Projection anyone?
    What this commentator wrote is the US and its allies are doing.
    It is the US that is trying to colonise the entire planet supporting Islamic terrorist/separatist states around the world in areas of vital geo-political strategic importance in Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya and the North Caucasus, Central Asia, Burma, Xinjing, Crimea, etc.
    And compliant vassal states in coups and attempted coups in Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Serbia, Montenegro, Kyrgyzstan, Belarus, Russia, Cuba, Columbia, Venezuela, etc.
    The US and by extent the EU countries entire banking financial system is a sham kept afloat by trillion dollar bailout which will eventually implode in hyper-inflation.
    China has lent money to Greece and expanding markets in Africa and elsewhere for mineral resources.
    China does not support North Korea but tolerates it as not being a hostile pro-US vassal
    The START treaty does not get rid of the missile shield which US has nukes in allied NATO countries like Turkey which is not a part of it and does not stop US developing military technology. And who would enforce it anyway if US broke the treaty like they did IBM with the missile shield in the first place?
    START is basically a reduction in nuclear weapons.

  5. In The New York Times, on 24 March 1917, on pages 1-2, George Kennan explained how Jacob H. Schiff assisted Russia’s enemies and how Schiff financed and trained Russian revolutionaries. Note that Imperial Japan and the Soviet State, which Schiff created, both became virulent enemies of the United States, enemies who came to power under Jacob Schiff’s tutelage and financial patronage.
    Note that Jewish bankers created the enemies of the United States and financed their wars against Americans,
    ============
    heg: Here you have the richest jew in the world – financing the jew instigated coup in Russia a century ago.
    The head of the FED in Soviet was the jew Olof Aschberg, he was a jew banker and by that a capitalist.
    Communism is a jew fraud.

    1. You should read this it is Schiff biography by his American Jewish Committee biographer Cyrus Adler brags how Schiff help fund Japan securing loans to Japan in its war against Russia and lobbied for repeal of special financial trade agreements between Russia and the US established since the time of Lincoln.
      http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/1921_1922_3_SpecialArticles.pdf
      “AJC was established in 1906 by a small group of American Jews concerned about pogroms aimed at the Jewish population of Russia. “According to the official statement of the committee…it is to prevent infringement of the civil and religious rights of Jews and to alleviate the consequences of persecution.”[3] AJC has since headed advocacy campaigns on issues such as Holocaust denial, church-state relations, and American dependence on foreign oil.
      The AJC was dominated for years by banker Jacob H. Schiff, who relied on his wealth, his power, and his single-minded certainty to shape the organization. He was a partner in Kuhn, Loeb and Company and worked closely with corporate lawyer Louis Marshall and with Cyrus Adler, the intellectual who headed the Jewish Theological Seminary. Also involved was Adolph S. Ochs, owner of the New York Times. Business, personal, and family relationships tied these AJC founders to a network of key supporters, including the Warburgs (especially Felix Warburg), the Strauses and the Guggenheims, the Sulzbergers in Philadelphia, and to similar groups in Boston, Chicago, St. Louis, and San Francisco.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jewish_Committee

      1. “You should read this it is Schiff biography by his American Jewish Committee biographer Cyrus Adler ”
        Funny. The biographers name is
        Cyrus ADL-er.

  6. ” There’s no way to nuke a US city without shooting a ballistic missile at it. ”
    Come to mention it, here’s a very interesting perspective from Veterans Today on something that’s attracted practically no comment elsewhere:
    GORDON DUFF: THE “CALIFORNIA MYSTERY MISSILE http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/17/gordon-duff-the-california-mystery-missile/
    ” ” … I am a retired U.S. Navy FireControl Technician, who is platform certified in missile systems XXXXXXXXX, I have also worked with the Navy’s Harpoon, Tomahawk and ASROC missile systems.Anyway, what I saw in the recent video concerning the object 30 miles off the coast of CA is blatantly a foreign made, Large Cruise or ICBM missile, being launched by a sub-surface aquatic platform.
    First I know its a large missile because it did not exhibit the typical “corkscrewing” trajectory of a beam riding missile as it trys to acquire the targeting beam. This tells me its a Big Boy with a complete guidance system installed in it, what is nicknamed a “fire and forget” missile, as once its launched its internal guidance system takes over and there is no real need for external guidance.
    I’m fairly confident its not one of ours, as the vapor trail appears “dirty” it looks brownish. … We put a lot of sweat and money into our “birds” and part of that is the fuel cells, they burn very clean, a whitish-blue infact, not a dirty blackish brown. That missile had rather crude fuel cells, which tells me its not one of ours.”
    A submarine comes approaches America’s heavily guarded coast, through a network of defenses costing billions, and launches an ICBM capable of carrying up to 10 hydrogen bombs, launches the missile 2 minutes from Los Angeles, and we are utterly unaware? …”

  7. “China’s economy is run for the nation, the people and workers.”
    that’s a little hard to swallow. i believe the economy is run for the Party. why else would they push their workers so hard they require nets around the factory windows so workers do not jump to their deaths?

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