Clearly most of the nations of the world have a right to self-determination. The article makes clear that the Chechen people never assented to being conquered by the Russians, never really surrendered, and kept fighting periodically every chance they got after conquest in 1864.
Recent polls show that a slim majority of Chechens support full independence. The rest presumably support the largely autonomous government of the Chechen Republic. However, this government is widely considered to be a Russian puppet regime.
Commenter AJ says that the vast majority of Chechens support Russia. This is probably not true. Most of them are probably filled with rage and hatred towards Russia for the genocide the Russians have committed against the Chechen people. However, about half the population probably feels that independence is hopeless and instead opts for the extreme autonomy that has been granted the puppet state.
The war is not exactly winding down in the region. There are military incidents every single day in Chechnya and nearly every day in Ingushetia, Dagestan, Kabardino-Balkaria. The Caucasus region is frankly on fire and the war is probably going to go on definitely.
Frighteningly, there are also now attacks in the Perm region and in Kalmykia deep inside Russia proper. Recently terrorists have carried out attacks against Cossack communities in Russia proper to the north of the Caucasus.
There are a number of theories about why Russia will not let the Chechens go, which would seem to be the only rational thing to do. The article gives the best theory, that independence cannot be allowed because of the precedent it would set in that other regions might want to break away too.
True, much of the Caucasus may indeed break off if self-determination was allowed to Russian republics.
But there are few, if any, other regions in Russia which would break away, so the argument appears to be moot, and Putin increasingly just looks like some kind of a fascist.
There is a fascist-like youth group called “Nashi” that encourages Russians to breed large families for the Fatherland. Pro-natalism is characteristic of all fascist regimes and in general is anathema to all progressive regimes. As a radical environmentalist and zero population growth advocate, I am quite happy that Russia’s population is declining. They serve as a great shining example for all of us.
Fanatical nationalism and extreme racism seem to be overwhelming Russian society lately. Although not particularly racist, commenter AJ is a good example of this fanatical Russian nationalism. If you want to know what these folks are like, read his comments.
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Fanatical nationalism and extreme racism seem to be overwhelming Russian society lately. Although not particularly racist, commenter AJ is a good example of this fanatical Russian nationalism. If you want to know what these folks are like, read his comments.
I’ve been dealing with these folks for years, and A.J is very much of that mindset.
Ironically, many like AJ that hold such “Russia strong” views, live here in the U.S.
It was the commies that sent almost the entire Chechen population to Siberia , on the verge of genocide. I dunno how ” racism ” and nationalist got thrown into this. You must be a left leaning commie , a Stalin worshiper
“Fanatical nationalism and extreme racism seem to be overwhelming Russian society lately .” South Africa is much more racist than Russia, as is Japan, Korea, China, and many other countries. Liberia only lets black people become citizens, while anyone can be a citizen of Russia. Only white people are expected to be against racism, while the racism of colored people is never called out. Russia needs more babies, it is the biggest country in the world but is vastly underpopulated. Nashi is alright. The entire worlds population could fit into Russia tenfold. Hopefully Russians keep making babies so in the future Russia’s population increases to over a billion Russians, thatll be great! Unlike many other nations, Russia doesnt have to worry about overpopulation. Better Russia took Chechnya than the Ottoman Empire. Sure, maybe Chechens are like the Native Americans of Russia, they have about the same chance of indepence as do native Hawaiins, Inuits, and Cherokees. Tough luck. Chechens are much more racist than Russians, and they have commited terrible acts against Russian civilians, yet you think thats OK? So only Russians can be evil barbarians, I guess. As of 2009, the Chechen war has been over. Also, the “Chechen genocide” is total crap. Please cite a source that says there was ever a Chechen genocide, please stop saying false things. Theres more of a White genocide in South Africa than a Chechen genocide. Genocide is a harsh word with a harsh reality, and for you to use it so casually shows you have a deep-seated hatred of Slavs and Russian people when you defame Russia so. Akhmed Khalidovich Zakayev, a major terrorist and Chechen fighter, agreed to a ceasefire in 2009. There is no longer a large-scale independence movement in Chechnya, and the Russian army has even withdrawn.Chechnya has lost, and it will never be independant, and it never was. Im not a fanatic nationalist, Im actually pretty moderate and liberal compared to the average Russian. Why do you oppose Russia so much? I bet you probably think that the Sakhalin Island and Kuril Islands belong to Japan, as well.
Don’t mind that hypocrite. Just another self hating commie. He hates his skin and would never call out how blacks in South Africa rape and kill whites at will just like they do In my 65 percent black city in USA , New Orleans
All right Adolf, I am banning you.
HAND!
“Most of them are probably filled with rage and hatred towards Russia for the genocide the Russians have committed against the Chechen people.”
You are full of shit Robert I posted before census data that debunked the genocide myth where there numbers increased significantly during a period when the overall Russian population decreased by millions. It is expected to rise again with the 2010 census from the 2002 census by 250,000.
And tens of thousands of Chechens live in Russian regions and cities fully subsidised by the Russian government.
Russia does not want to give it independence because:
a) It was never an independent country.
b) They started a genocide and ethnic cleansing against ethnic Russians and non-Chechen minority groups.
c) It is a terrorist/fascist/criminal state with links and support dating before the first Chechen war and de-facto period after operating organised crime networks throughout Russia.
d) It is a vassal states like other periods in history fighting for foreign powers trained and support by western intelligence/military and there allied states so they can control the Caspian oil for British/US interests through various front NGO’s and charities like the Halo Trust, Benevolence Foundation, etc.
In some time America involves into the process the Western political and diplomatic support. Aslan Maskhadov is received in London with a guard of honor, platoons of artillery and the Royal Life Guards, greetings of the Muslim community in the British capital with torches, sounds of bagpipes and drum stroke. So dirty cheap is bought hatred to Russia. This entire process certainly requires funding.
For example, a British financier James Goldsmith was earning money speculating in shares of oil companies. In particular, those companies which invested into the development of the Caspian oil. Margaret Thatcher, by the way, was at that time an advisor to the oil company «British Petroleum».
It was at this moment that in the surroundings of the Chechen leadership appeared an English businessman of Polish descent Mansour Yahimchik, who had in due time been one of the leaders of the Polish «Solidarity» in Krakow. He suddenly showed unexpected interest in the Sufi version of Islam in Chechnya, was naturalized as a citizen of «Ichkeria», became the Chechen presidential adviser on foreign economic issues. At his suggestion the Chechen leaders got in contact with the British financial elite, he was arranging meetings of the Chechen leaders with the English Lords, with Margaret Thatcher, with heads of major companies.
With the direct participation of this Pole-Englishman in April 1997 was established a Caucasian investment fund, in Washington was registered the Caucasus-American Chamber of Commerce and Industry, and Lord McAlpine – Representative of the Financial Group at Goldsmiths – promised to invest 3 billion dollars in the Chechen oil industry, but given that he gets the right of general tenancy of the entire Chechen oil industry. In fact, already at that time the matter concerned purchase of the Chechen oil industry, which later was tried to be performed by Khodorkovsky.”
“Russia’s federal security service, the FSB, accused the Halo Trust – the world’s biggest mine-clearing charity, which was supported by Diana, Princess of Wales – of spying on Russia since 1998….the FSB claimed that Halo had not only trained its Chechen staff to clear mines, but also to plant them….. The trust opened its office in Chechnya in 1997 with the help of Chechnya’s President, Aslan Maskhadov, and without permission of Russian authorities, the FSB said. ‘People trained by high-level Halo Trust officials weakened Russian positions, which in turn permitted Chechen rebels to attack federal troops,’ Kremlin spokesman Sergei Yastrzembsky said….The Foreign Office said it did not comment on intelligence matters but it has raised its concern with Moscow.”
http://www.nlpwessex.org/docs/ukraine-caspian.htm
“The war is not exactly winding down in the region. There are military incidents every single day in Chechnya and nearly every day in Ingushetia, Dagestan, Kabardino-Balkaria. The Caucasus region is frankly on fire and the war is probably going to go on definitely.
That’s because there has been a non-stop flow of foreign financing and recruitment into Chechnya from abroad since the break-up of the USSR and have a sanctuary in Georgia in the Panski Gorge to launch attacks.
Georgia hosted a jihad conference in December 2009 in the capital Tbilisi which included Chechen terrorist Doku Umarov to plan coordinated attacks against Russia and import terrorist from the Mid East with visas issued by the Georgian embassies and are trained in Georgian military camps.
http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=2323
There is a fascist-like youth group called “Nashi” that encourages Russians to breed large families for the Fatherland. Pro-natalism is characteristic of all fascist regimes and in general is anathema to all progressive regimes
LOL!
What nonsense so you encourage a reverse in genocidal depopulation measures which it needs to survive in the future and this is a bad thing when more people in Russia die than are born?
Fascist regimes have traditionally been behind the green movement like the Nazis had a program.
So unsurprisingly Britain and US are at the forefront of promoting the global warming hoax which was revealed to based on biased research with the whole climategate leaked e-mail scandal.
johnUK, as a Scotsman, what is your opinion on Scottish and Welsh independence, and the reunification of Ireland?
I don’t think anything about Scottish and Welsh independence really it is a non-issue it won’t really change anything and does not have popular appeal.
I haven’t heard about reunification of Ireland since Northern Ireland is part of the UK.
Ireland has bigger problems just now with there private banking sector collapsing just as Lyndon LaRouche had predicted.
oh OK. I live in the US, I thought that that kind of stuff is still a big issue over there. Do you support the BNP then? I hear alot about them from Brits online. Also, why do certain people in the UK hate Russia so much?
@AJ
Do you support the BNP then?
No
Also, why do certain people in the UK hate Russia so much?
Europeans hate Russians.
I think it is because they think of them as different and not European.
Maybe it is a Eurasian thing as they don’t like the Chinese either.
I think John and AJ should get a hotel room, and get it over with…
“I think John and AJ should get a hotel room , and get it over with…” Cyrus, baby, you know I wouldnt do that to you. Your Persian honey pot will always be a special place for my Slavic sausage.
Common sweety boy…You know I’m technically a Turk, don’t you?
My kebab ram will always be itching to slam through your Gates of Vienna…
WTF!!?OMG GAAAAAAAY!
I think that Russian boys have nothing to say about tyrannic actions of Tsars and Bolshevists, linens, Stalins and Putins against non-russian nations of so-called Russian Federation.
why do occupying communities are so bigoted and narrow-minded?
you were denying cruelty of Russians to Chechens in former posts and now you are discounting tragedies which is compelled to chechens by russians.
@yashar bugun
That’s because it is mostly fake a copy and paste job from the now debunked lies against the Serbs which Chechens played a major role in with the same CIA/Soros led organisations running in the Caucasus that operated in the Balkans.
And what the Chechens run with their links to organised crime and foreign affiliation pales in comparison to what is alleged against them.
” you are discounting tragedies which is compelled to chechens by russians.” LOL so now theyre “compelled” to murder and blow up Ossetian women and children by Russians, ah OK. You deny Chechen cruelty to non-Chechens, so STFU. ” I think that Russian boys have nothing to say about tyrannic actions of Tsars and Bolshevists , linens , Stalins and Putins against non – russian nations of so – called Russian Federation.” The so-called Russian Federation? Thats what its called, WTF. Yeah, the tsars were often pretty brutal, I guess. Im not a representative of the former Russian governments. Bolshevists? Look man, you forget that ethnic Russians suffered under authoritarianism as well. Stalin was an ethnic minority by the way. He wasnt Russian at all, he was Georgian. “why do occupying communities are so bigoted and narrow – minded?” Why do former big no no is yes bad like that today for good no no speak english? There are no occupied territories in Russia. Russia is Russia. Where did you say your from again? I remember it was a Muslim former Soviet nation. Uzbekistan? Azerbaijian? Whichever one your from, it sucks. Why is Russia’s economy growing, while all the ‘Stan countries are stagnant and depressed? In fact, theres a big illegal immigrant problem in Russia from the Central Asian republics. You would think that since Russians have been oh so evil to them in the past, they would stay away. But nope, they all keep coming to Russia, why? Tell your people that since Russians are so bad, stay the fuck out of Russia. Have fun in Inferior-to-Russia-Stan. Oh and btw, what is your issue with Putin? What the hell did he do to make you cry? Putin is a patriot and great Russian leader.
@AJ
The Bolshevik revolution was an anti-Russia movement where they wanted to replace the ethnic Russian elite with a genocidal government lead by hostile minorities.
Stalin probably seeking a power base to combat Trotskyite internationalism made measures to introduce more of a Russian character to the USSR especially when the outbreak of WW2 occurred.
Chechens lead a pro-Nazi Rebellion in 43 and with Ingush contributed a 30,000 man force of Caucasus Muslims under Muslim SS force in the Balkans against Serb forces.
That’s why they were deported with other groups during WW2 with a remarkably low death toll number of 1,272.
Likewise, 93% of Chechen and Ingush men drafted to military service in 1942 deserted, went into hiding, joined the Nazis, or joined rebel or bandit groups. In February 1943, pro-Nazi Chechen nationalists led a major pro-German rebellion under the Nazi flag,
Grigory Tokaev and Viacheslav Molotov both agree that there were large anti-Soviet rebellions in these areas during the war. The only difference: Tokaev thinks the rebellions were justified.
Historian, V. I. Zemskov has specialized in deportations in general. His estimate is that out of 151,720 Crimean Tatars deported, 191 died during the course of deportation. That is 0.13 per cent. Not 13% or 1.3%.
According to Bugai and Gomov, NKVD records attest to 180 convoy trains carrying 493,269 Chechen and Ingush nationals and members of other nationalities seized at the same time. Fifty people were killed in the course of the operation, and 1,272 died on the journey. This is 0.27 per cent; 0.26 per cent if you exclude the 50 killed in the course of disarming, etc. Since it happened in the winter during the fiercest war in world history, that figure does not seem very high. It is probably a lot lower than the rate suffered by Soviet civilians in the occupied areas.
In the case of the Chechen-Ingush and the Crimean Tatars, collaboration with the Nazis was massive, involving most of the population. To try to isolate and punish only the guilty would have been to split the nation up. This would probably have destroyed the nation and there would have been very few young men for the young women to marry. Instead, the national group was kept together, and their population grew.
Central Asian Republics are a pretty favourable towards Russia and it was Russian assistance that stopped Tajikistan from becoming an Islamic state after the fall of USSR by Pakistan and Iranian backed militants.
Because Chechen independence is being promoted by Jewish gangsters and there Anglo stooges, it is hard for my to support them.
What is wrong with the Russian people having babies? You never seem to complain about the Judeo-Bolshevik slaughter of millions of Slavs, but call them racists when they want to replace themselves?
1. Jewish gangsters
2. Anglo stooges
3. CIA
4. Soros
5. Nazi
6. German
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you super-patriot Russians remind me of Ahmadinejad and and former shah of Iran that they like to fight with fantasy foreigner enemies. enemy of Russian totalitarianism are in side Russia not out.
What difference does it make to a Chechen people ,who their language, culture, petrol and honor resources is stolen and banned bay aliens, that totalitarian governor from Moscow is ethnically Georgian or Bolshevik or a wild judoka?
I haven’t any response for you, if you consider Putin as hero of your nation.
I’m not Russian. I don’t even particullarly like the dudes. I feel sorry for them though. 100 years ago that generation of Russians was peacefully developing, when they got Judacized, butchered anb damned. A modern day purim if you will. What did they do to deserve that?
If that wasn’t bad enough the founder of Israel. Adolph Hitler, killed another 20 millions.
It sucks to be a 20th century Russian.
They might be dumb untermensch, but what is the harm in them replacing themselves? At least they are better then the dudes from Caliban’s contenent.
I actually like Putin. I’m glad he threw Khodorkovsky in the clink. That Khordorkovsky was Rothschild agent is evident in light of the fact that Khordorkovsky signed over his owner ship of Yukos oil to Rothschild as he went to prison. If you like your politicains to blown out butt holes from bending over for Jewish bankers then your not going to like Vladimir.
“I haven ’t any response for you , if you consider Putin as hero of your nation .” Good. Then shut up and stop kissing Chechen ass.
Article was moving along with info until I came across Putin And “fascist”. As if fascist were the ones that took the caucusus More like communist is the word you Are looking for Lame article