Debate With an Aztlanista Traitor

Frederic, apparently an Aztlanista reconquista traitor who has listened to one too many Latrino Studies lectures, comments. His comments are in the blockquotes.

But I guess if Mexico gets it shit together and becomes a first world, thriving country somewhen in the future, then a political reconquista will probably be the inevitable.

This will never happen. Mexico will always be Mexico because it is full of Mexicans. Nothing can change this reality.
Anyway, if it did happen, the US would hopefully attack Mexico. Any sane US government would send in the army and secure the area. We should also probably start deporting the Chicano traitors who sided with the enemy if this ever came up. As you can see, I am not an America-hating traitor at all. In fact, I am a patriot and these Reconquista weenies really bring out the flagwaver in me.
This is why I say that Aztlan theory is dangerous, and Aztlanistas are worse than assholes. They are traitorous assholes. And if Aztlan theory ever catches fire and gains mass support, we will be in a world of shit and God help us. Luckily, there is no sign of that occurring.

This would especially happen if Mexican Americans educated themselves and found out the shit Mexican Americans went through and the broken promises for those Mexicans who stayed in US gained lands after the U.S.-Mexican war.

I assume they have all been brainwashed about this stuff in classes, but almost none of them seem to care. Honestly. I know these people very well.

They’d probably feel alien and disillusioned with the country of the US (especially if they remain unassimilated).

Won’t happen. Once Latinos get to be a majority anywhere, they are happier than pigs in shit, except for professional radicals and complainers. And after 2-3 generations, 100% of them assimilate. By the 3rd generation, most do not even speak Spanish anymore.

As a matter of fact Robert, your city is an example of reconquista.

Not really. Whites still run this town. I think the Latinos like it that way.
We know how to run municipalities.
They don’t.
Once a city goes all Latino, it’s government goes all Latino, and the place basically falls apart turns into “Little Mexico.” The Mexicans with any brains and sense take note of when the last White person packed up and start packing their bags themselves. If you ask them why they left, they will say the place went to Hell when all the Whites left.

Most Hispanics will probably be united by the same idiocy that plagues the common American mind: the notion of a “Hispanic” race.

They already are, and they’re some of the stupidest humans I have ever met when it comes to race. They have no understanding of biological race whatsoever. Anyway, they’re already all united under “Latino,” and the loony Aztlan notion has no support.

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  1. Go ahead, say whatever you want. Just don’t be mad at the truth. You know MOST non-Hispanic Americans are also retarded when it comes to race. Mexico is full of Mexicans? Hypocrite, first you attack white supremacists for saying these things, then you repeat them yourself. The reconquista IS happening, just look at the US 2000 Census map of largest ancestries per county, now imagine that in 2o10, after the hayday of illegal and legal Hispanic immigration from the early 2000s.

  2. I don’t believe in Aztlan, I believe in a Hispanic Mexico that needs to redeem itself and fight against an Anglo USA. I’m a traitor? Why? Remember John Fremont and Sam Houston? It angers me to no end when I look back at history, at how the legal US immigrants to Texas and California (who came thanks to land grants by the Mexican government) revolted against Mexico after Mexico had offered them land (especially after the US Panic of 1837) and how those Anglos had bit the hand that fed them when they were in need. THEY were traitors. And then there’s the ILLEGAL US immigrants whose purpose was to take over Mexican territories of Alta California, Texas, and New Mexico. After they had settled in Mexico, they wanted to revolt and rid the land of its owners, the Mexicans. The Mexicans who helped the US in the Mexican War got what they deserved – broken promises, discrimination, and lynchings (2nd highest of all ethnicities). The Amerindians from Texas, Alta California, and New Mexico who collaborated with the Anglos also got what they deserved – broken treaties and forced removal onto ever-smaller reservations built on the shittiest land that the states had to offer. Argue all you want, but you know it’s the truth. I have a sense of justice, and you yourself have said that the Mexican War was wrong, but you refuse to correct the wrongs because YOU were the winner. This is why I believe in the return (or even purchase, especially for the Gadsden Purchase) of Texas, the Mexican Cession, and the Gadsden Purchase to Mexico. Also, I have never taken a silly class in Latino studies. I think ethnic studies are useless. I learned what I know through personal research and investigation. I never advocate anything, I just point out what will probably happen. I used to love this country (USA), but after constantly seeing a succession of anti-Mexican sentiment in the news and all around me, and my research on the injustness of the Mexican War, the filibusters, and the infringment of Mexico’s territorial rights during the presidencies of W. Wilson and T. Roosevelt, my feelings towards this country changed and I felt an alien in what was supposed to be my country.

    1. “The Amerindians from Texas, Alta California, and New Mexico who collaborated with the Anglos also got what they deserved – broken treaties and forced removal onto ever-smaller reservations built on the shittiest land that the states had to offer. ”
      Why exactly should the Native Americans have any respect or love for Mexico. This moron is the usual type of hypocrite that makes comments about the US southwest. It was wrong for the US to annex these territories but it was ok for Mexico to based on some european colonial claim? Why should the indians care about the boundaries of the mexican colony, aka New SPAIN? Why shouldn’t they try to do what best for preserving their own culture? The indians at this point had seen centuries of spanish/mexican encroachment on their land and they saw an opportunity to fight the imperial claims of Spain/Mexico. Admittidly the indians of the US could be in better shape, but are the indians in Mexico any better? It’s well known that the tribes of Mexico are treated like shit. Porfirio Diaz forcibly moved almost the entire Yaqui nation of the deserts of “Northern Mexico” down do the Yucatan peninsula to work as slaves in the logging industry and on plantations because they tried to revolt against the imperial ambitions of the mexian ruling class. At other times the Mayans of the Yucatan and other groups of indians in Mexico have tried to seperate themselves from the colonial government of the mexican creoles.
      Let look at the other descendents of the indians of Mexico, the mexican mestizos. They speak spanish and have done everything the could to fit into the society of their conquerors. They are traitors to their ancestors and are forever seperated from true indian civilization.
      They should not really be considered indigenous to Mexico or to the southwestern United States. It’s an utter joke when they come to the US and say they want to speak the language of their ancestors, spanish. Of course, spanish is the languages of their ancestors about as much as chinese is the language of mine. Why weren’t their ancestors so insistent on preserving their ancient tounges. They have no right to call themselves Aztecs or be associated with Aztlan. If they want to try and revolt as hispanic mexicans then their claims are no more valid than those of Hernando Cortes or James k. Polk in that they’re not indigenous but should be considered mere interlopers just as you consider the “anglo” americans. If they want to associate themselves with the vampire state of Mexico established by creoles who look down on them for their dark skin then that’s their business, but they have no special right to take the southwest US and the native americans of the southwest who have actually tried to preserve their ancestral cultures have no reason to be friedly to or ally themselves the state of Mexico or its mestizo byproducts.
      In short, you’re full shit. Fuck you. Good Bye.

    2. I hate to say it, but you have a point wrt the Texans, etc. Not that this is any reason we should plotz from guilt and donate the rope too hang ourselves. Bring it on.

    3. The Texan and Californian attempts at independence were both merely thinly disguised ploys for getting STATEHOOD in the U.S.! Read some history books, Fredrica!

  3. Frederic, so when is the Southwest going to secede, or join Mexico? Also, what are you planning on doing with white and black minorites?

  4. Where did this Frederic fuck come from anyway?
    Does he happen to be Frederic Christie, the guy who comments on Tim Wise’s blog?

      1. Lol!
        No, Frederic Christie definitely is NOT Hispanic.
        That being said, I can’t think of too many Hispanic guys name Frederic.

        1. There are ZERO Hispanic guys named Frederic. And if you listen to this idiot, he never says he’s Hispanic. He just wants to fuck over White people. He could very well be a self-hating White asshole like Tim Unwise.

        2. Yeah, he’s probably a self-loathing white.
          I’ll tell you one thing, though. If I ever meet a Hispanic guy named Frederic, that’ll make my day!

        3. On the other hand, if he is white and his white parents idiotically named him Frederic with a “c,” I can understand where the white self hatred came from. If you want to annoy him, spell it “Frederick.”

  5. The thing is Mexicans aren’t coming here for the land. That’s where the Aztlaners are wrong. There’s plenty of land in Mexico. Ain’t no shortage of it. I once had a night flight from L.A. to Mexico City. What struck me was just how few lights there were flying over northern central Mexico. When you fly over the interior of the U.S., you see lights everywhere. There’s plenty of space in Mexico. So it’s not land they’re here for. They’re here for the stability, rule of law, infrastructure, wealth and opportunity that American CULTURE has built here. It wouldn’t matter if America stole the land or not. If the SW was still Mexico, then people would just be sneaking into Oregon and Kansas instead. They ain’t after the land, they’ve got enough of that in Mexico. They are after a country that FUNCTIONS. And that has nothing to do with the land and everything to do with the culture and values here. A place where you can’t bribe the cops and judges and where everyone gets a free k-12 education and where you can drink the water without worrying about getting cholera.

    1. Good point, Tulio.
      That’s also why you see Mexican immigrants in places like Chicago, the Midwest, and, interestingly enough, places in the deep South.
      None of those areas were originally part of Mexico.
      So yeah, I get wary of all this bullshit about how “Mexicans are just reclaiming their land.”
      They just want a ride on the gravy train like everyone else.
      Oh, and co-sign on the tap water. As someone who’s travelled to Mexico on several occasions, I always had to get bottled water.
      Oh, I should also mention that you should be careful about eating out at restaurants, particularly when it comes to meat products. While I was able to eat at a certain amount of restaurants just fine, I recall getting massive diarrhea and feeling like shit after I had eaten steak.

      1. A couple years ago I went to Puerto Vallarta for a short sun and beach vacation. My last morning, I had a good breakfast at a very nice restaurant. In fact it was run by gringos. All I had was bacon and eggs, French toast and orange juice. By the time I finished I just knew something wasn’t right. By the time I got back to my room, I had full on nausea and it was getting worse, but I had to leave for the airport. I had to overdose on pepto bismol just to stop myself from vomiting in line at the airport. The food tasted fine. I don’t know why I got sick.

        1. The bacon probably did it, Tulio.
          The steak I ate had bacon wrapped around it. Like I said, be wary of meat products at Mexican restaurants.

      2. I hear assholes from the East Coast always say how California “belonged” to Mexico.
        Bullshit.
        By there rational, and if anything, we would belong to Spain.

  6. “By there rational , and if anything , we would belong to Spain .” No it belongs to the Native Americans, white devils stole it from them and claimed it as their own.

    1. No it belongs to the Native Americans, white devils stole it from them and claimed it as their own.
      Yah, those Native Americans are a lot like Chechens in that regard.

      1. @Cyrus
        “Yah, those Native Americans are a lot like Chechens in that regard.”
        I didn’t know that NA’s were involved in raids against neighbouring territories, were mercenaries for the Ottoman Empire, involved in the sex trade historically and contemporary, fought for every regime in history seeking supremacy Ottoman Turks, British, Nazis and international Islamic terrorism in Bosnia, Afghanistan supporting the Taliban, Iraq, Algerian militants, etc.
        And the Native American mafia is legendary. LOL!
        Seeing how Chechnya was never an independent country and the borders of which were created by Russia the North of which is actually Russian incorporated into the Republic as part of Kruschevs anti-Stalin/Russian agenda I think its time the Chechens started paying their rent.

        1. I didn’t know that NA’s were involved in raids against neighbouring territories, were mercenaries for the Ottoman Empire, involved in the sex trade historically and contemporary, fought for every regime in history seeking supremacy Ottoman Turks, British, Nazis and international Islamic terrorism in Bosnia, Afghanistan supporting the Taliban, Iraq, Algerian militants, etc.
          And the Native American mafia is legendary. LOL!

          Just go back to the 19th century. No difference between the two.
          Nowadays, the Natives in the U.S are too dispersed, too mentally broken up, too disorganized to act like the tribals in the Caucasus. That, and they get a good share of money from Uncle Sugar, Casinos, etc…No need to revolt.

        2. “Just go back to the 19th century. No difference between the two.”
          BS the NA’s were not mercenaries for a foreign empire fighting for big evil.
          “Nowadays, the Natives in the U.S are too dispersed, too mentally broken up, too disorganized to act like the tribals in the Caucasus. That, and they get a good share of money from Uncle Sugar, Casinos, etc…No need to revolt.”
          Yes they have been pacified I would be much more worried if I was a black or Mexican who they are setting up scapegoats for a collapsing financial empire.
          Thankfully Russia has again reasserted it’s sovereignty over the Caucasus region despite foreign intervention working with local leaders and tribal groups including your beloved Chechens. The only problem is big evil is not centred in the North Caucasus that is just one of there theatres of conflict like Crimea, Afghanistan and Central Asia but abroad with there financial empire collapsing makes them much more dangerous.

        3. “I didn’t know that NA’s were involved in raids against neighbouring territories”
          ????
          Do you know anything about native american history? The native americans were constantly raiding american and mexican settlements, not to mention each others territories. The Commanche who were (and still are) located in Oklahoma and Western Texas raided others constantly and amassed a large hunting empire called Comancheria. From Oklahoma they once even raided hundreds of miles south in the mexican province of Jalisco (the current location of Guadalajara). Very deep into mexican territory.
          Raids one the american frontier were one of the main reasons the indians were so hated by the settlers.

        4. “were mercenaries for the Ottoman Empire”
          I agree with this part though. Fighting for the the infidel Turks is beyond forgiveness.
          Bring back Byzantium!!!

        5. @Wade in MO
          “Do you know anything about native american history? The native americans were constantly raiding american and mexican settlements, not to mention each others territories.”
          Yes but they were probably against settlers who came to native NA land unlike the Chechens and others who went beyond there own terratory into Russian and Ukranian South with constant raids for about 100 years before Russia finally conquered the region.
          If not there a bunch of assholes who deserved to get there ass kick by the Americans.
          The Solutrean theory says that the NA Indians migrated from Siberia I don’t know if that is true or not.

  7. In a few years, after its birth rate continues rising, hopefully there will be a Russian Reconquista of Alaska. Its our land, we were there first, and theres only a few hundred thousand people living there. So 1 million young, fertile Russian immigrants, legal and illegal is all thats needed to take demographic control of Alaska. It will happen, believe me.

  8. Oh, and Inuits make up 13% of Alaska’s population, the highest Native American percentage of any US state. I am sure they will be happy with their Slavic liberators, and they will side with Russia. Maybe theyll get a patch of land of their own, or maybe they will be granted Russian citizenship, who knows right now. But they are a great ally of the Russian Reconquista Movement.

    1. “Maybe theyll get a patch of land of their own”
      THey already have one. Most of the northern parts of alaska are inhabited by Inuits.
      Russian ocnquest could actually be quite bad for them. They already have huge problems with alcohol to the point where the’ve outlawed it in certain places. Adding a million russian drunks to the mix might just finish them off.
      However, I would be willing to give Russia the Alaskan territory on the condition that they must take Sarah Palin and her family with it. If they put her in a gulag I wouldn’t care.

  9. What I don’t understood is all these accusations. Though it is true that Frederic would be considered a traitor, who knows? He just happens to be born in US controlled territory. After all, the Mexican War was fueled by Polk’s lie that Americsn blood was spilled on American soil, when that wasn’t the case. Even many Americans such as Thoreau and even Ulysses S. Grant and Zachary Taylor didn’t like the war. And most historians agree. And it is true that many Americans had revolted against Mexico after Mexico offered them an opportunity and if they didn’t like it, then they should’ve left (it’s ironic now since many American right wingers say the same thing). Even future US diplomats, presidents, etc. said that the war was unjust, so why is it wrong for someone to try to correct those wrongs? I Mexico wants that land back, then they should pay for it, since they got paid for it. Though it is useful to state that the Mexicans fought hard and to the last battle to the last man (many US generals invading Mexico were awed by Mexicans’ determination). It is also useful to state that it is a lie that Mexicans in New Mexico wanted to join the US. Historians agree that the Mexican New Mexicans surrendered to avoid bloodshed and because they were convinced by US generals that they would offered protection from Indian raids. Mexico refused to sell it’s land until the very end, to the point in which Polk almost commanded that the US peace treaty diplomats return from Mexico, seeing that the Mexicans would never want to give up their northern territories that the US wanted.

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